John Cobb - Whitehead's Model and Multiple Spiritualities
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John B. Cobb, Jr. "Whitehead's Model and Multiple Spiritualities" at the Center for Process Studies Seminar at Claremont School of Theology, Spring 2002.
Thank you Sir
What an inspiring and wonderful lecture! Especially, I like your criteria of the genuine spirituality.
WOW. That was pure gold. That was an extraordinarily high-quality experience of 51 minutes. Thank you John Cobb.
This is fantastic
YOU are fantastic!
@@davidlevy4291 well I've got news for you David, you're also fantastic
A learned man with the gift of articulating well a complex territory. I must look for more by Mr Cobb. I see I will learn much from him.
In my opinion having studied Buddhism for the last 30 years this very stimulating lecture is wonderful in spirit but does contain a few misunderstandings of Buddhism. One is that the path of no self-involved getting rid of emotion. In fact the goal is to replace egoistic emotion with compassion. This is the case whether you articulated in terms of no self or true self, perhaps that compassion element of Zen is sometimes forgotten about but it is very much there.
Secondly and perhaps more importantly if you read the lives of any of the great Buddhist Masters you will soon discover that they were very purposeful and in many cases implemented large and important projects such as building monasteries. Again the goal is to replace egoistic purpose with compassionate purpose. The importance of continuity over time comes out in the Vow aspect of mahayana Buddhism. The aspiring bodhisattva makes a kind of cosmic vow which they intend to keep over unlimited lifetimes. An important part of this would be opening the heart to guidance - a call if you like - from the Buddha's and Bodhisattvas.
However I do think it is true to say Buddhism and perhaps Eastern culture in general has undervalued or at least not discussed very much individuality in the sense of developing unique individual traits in one's approach to life. There is one notable sutta where the Buddha does rejoice in the unique qualities of several of his senior disciples so that aspect is there but not developed, and this perhaps is where Western tradition has most to offer ...
Thank you- love your wisdom and presentation.
Just starting, so far, and enjoying Cobb´s overview and details of Protestant takes on spirituality. He leaves out George Fox´s Quaker-Friends, curiously. Great unsung heroes.
Quaker-Friends are discussed (positively) near the end of the talk
@@markvanderschaaf3126 Thanks for your message. I finally got around to finishing the video, with some thanks to you! What a wonderful context to hear him touch on spiritual practice angles and Whiteheadian notions.
I recall that Whitehead didn´t have much interest in spiritual experience itself, not perceiving its values in relation to philosophy.
Wonderful to hear Cobb talk about the Buddhist no self-true self division, that reminds me of my insight on that point of the "loved self" option that is affirmed in Jesus´ legacy. As for the Quakers, I recall how George Fox stopped bowing to aristocrats, which apparently became a standard for the Q-Fs. I would then take it onwards to how the Q-Fs did other things like value individuals and women and protested injustices. That led to the agitating against slavery, making spiritual practice and personal growth a true spiritual ground blending good deeds and adventure.
Hare Krishna Mr. Cobb! Excellent lecture, wish I could have had you for some courses! Viva CST!
Lecture begins at 3:15
Great speaker.
Magnificent.
He speaks very fairly
Ase olodumare!
Two distinct persons are spoken of in John 1
*The Eternal Word who is God the Son* and Israel who was Jacob who is the First Born Son,
_The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said,_ “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is he of whom I said, ‘*After me comes a man who ranks before me, for he was before me.’ 31 I myself did not know him;* but for this I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.” 32 And John bore witness, “I saw the Spirit descend as a dove from heaven, and it remained on him. 33 I myself did not know him; but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
Make sure you understand that God has sent His *Unbegotten Son* and His _First Born who is Israel _
Don't play with the words we have a man born who is a living SYSYGY,
That this is apparent read John 1:18 _John answered them,_ “I baptize with water; *but among you stands one whom you do not know, 27 even he who comes after me,* the thong of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie._
John the Baptist has a play on words *Even he who was before me* and *Even he who comes after me*
John the Baptist is declaring that Just as Jesus could say that prior to the existence of John the Baptist he was Elijah redivivus and John in the absence of a New Testament was declaring that Jesus was Israel the same Israel that God spoke of in Isaiah 49:3 *You are my servant Israel in whom I shall be glorified*
Whilst the pedigree of Jesus is indisputable as being Israel redivivus the Divine Word speaks in him and teaches in him, the *I AM* statements are direct interventions the most important is that when Jesus says *this is my Body given for you* it is in effect God the Son speaking in Jesus Christ, the acceptance of these words are enough to make one know they have *passed from death to Life*
TOO MANY WORDS!!!!!!!
*The Queen Of Sheba*
The life of the human aeon.
The Ante-Deluvian aeon for the first generation was up to a thousand years for each person Methuselah being an exception.
I have to believe this is true though to a modern mind it is laughable, but we need to understand the perception and beliefs of these ancient people because it is an important concept which sets boundaries.
In relation to this longevity Jesus states Matthew 24:22
_And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened_
Jesus therefore clearly means that resurrection included reincarnation, but there is a distinct difference between *The Resurrection* and _resurrection_ The former being an end to the Aeon and the latter just the souls coming and going to gain nourishment for its being.
_John 10:9 I am the door; if anyone enters by me he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture_
*The importance of Luke 20:34-36*
_34 And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage; 35 but those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 36 for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection_
Based upon the Bible truth that judgement does not occur until the soul has completed multiple resurrections (reincarnations) and can no longer attain rebirth in the physical world, that passage, relies on Jesus understanding of what he revealed about the unbelieving Jews in relation to the Queen of Sheba’s Resurrection. *Note capital R*
_Matthew 12:41 The queen of the South will arise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here_
Jesus teaches here the boundaries of aeons as a thousand years from one Resurrection to another, so those Jews who railed against him would be able to live out their lives until such time as they could no longer be reborn and then be judged, and at that judgement the Queen of the South would Arise and condemn them, this is the same meaning as Resurrection. Her life was recorded as being 9th century B.C. a thousand years accurarately places her Resurrection in the 1st century A.D.
Therefore Jesus had a meticulous understanding of resurrections reincarnation, and Resurrection, as he states “I AM the Resurrection and the Life” And guess what, the Queen of the South wasn’t even a Catholic.
I too have reached the stage where I have already been judged, and my future in Paradise will be among those people whose earthly lives ended in the last thousand years I will be particularly friendly to King Peter I of Portugal and his wife Inez de Castro who died in the 12th century, I am destined to watch them as they resurrect from dust in their sarcophagus, He will arise first and he will go to his wife’s regenerated body and help her from her sarcophagus, then both of them will walk over to a beam of light and ascend into the world of the 3rd day.
This is not Catholic teaching this is Biblical teaching Catholic teaching has been unable to comprehend what has been written because it understands through a very narrow prism.
_Doctors of arts, medicine, law and philosophy can be made by the pope, the emperor and the universities; but be quite sure that no-one can make a doctor of Holy Scripture save only the Holy Ghost from heaven, as Christ says in John vi ‘They must all be taught by God himself’. Now the Holy Ghost does not ask after red or brown robes, or what is showy, whether a man is young or old , clerical or lay, monastic or secular, virgin or married. Indeed , he once spake by an ass against the prophet that rode on it, would that we were worthy that such doctors be given us…” (Luther, An d. chr. Adel deutch. Nation v. d.v.d. chr. Standes Besserung. 1520, W.A. ,. 6. pg 460, 1, 28 from Church Dogmatics by Karl Barth vol 1.1 pg 19_
Please stop this dribble. Ty
The Bible correctly teaches salvation of a greater understanding than the Church. In addressing the children of this era Jesus tells us that a person has several opportunities to be reborn and that a time will come when he *cannot die anymore* this is the real meaning of the *End of the world* thereafter the soul must leave the body as a celestial child, then be *accounted* that means judged. So no one is judged until the secondary salvation of reincarnation is exhausted. This is the end of the First Day.
A successful outcome of judgement means that the soul becomes a citizen of Paradise this aeon lasts a thousand years. This is the End of the Second Day. After which the celestial children are resurrected putting on glorious bodies and ascending to a higher heaven, this means that this aeon has released the first century followers of Christ, Mary and all the saints. This is the beginning of the Third Day.
Resurrections are always taking place and have always taken place.
_ And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage; 35 but those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 36 *for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God* being sons of the resurrection. 37 But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. 38 Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to him.”_
I love Christ but what a bunch of hoo haw you spout here. Can you say it more simply. This is why the church is shrinking. TOO COMPLICATED.
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What's your difficulty, are you an English speaker.
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It's quite simple if it's important to you it will cause you to try and understand it, obviously that can't happen to you 🥱🥱🥱