@@deepprakashamin9129 The thing is, Cantabile is OP so by making Ines balanced they made the 6 star agent vanguard weaker then the 5 star agent vanguard. Her S3 is cool mechanically but it doesn't really seem very useful to me. If it hit all enemies it'd be decent for huge waves of slugs and stuff but the 5 enemy limit is really limiting. Her S2 seems to be her best skill to me but it still seems worse then Cantabile's S2. Don't see a lot of reason to use her over the other 6 star vanguards tbqh.
@@BrandonHeat243 Blah blah blah Cantabile is OP? Pfft. She seems more balanced to me than OP. You're a Cantabile simp & it shows from your other comments in other Arknights videos. You're trying so hard to downplay Ines to make yourself feel better & don't wanna admit that Ines is actually a 6 star version Cantabile/better Cantabile, lol. XD
@@BrandonHeat243 I mean is she though?? ines can still generate 17 DP in 12 sec with her S2. Also She brings ton of utility like revealing invisible enemies(mentioned this because this imo will be used more than other utilities) So i think she is atleast canti level if not more.
@@deepprakashamin9129 Ammo skills are inherently superior to time limited skills. By quite a bit frankly. In ideal circumstances Ines can generate as much DP as Cantabile but in practice she almost never would. Cantabile seems clearly superior in terms of DP generation to me. Especially in the early game(which is the only time when DP generation really matters usually). Ines's S2 does have better range and the Bind/attack debuff. The range is obviously useful and the Bind ups her survivability when lane holding compared to Cantabile as does the attack debuff(though the debuff is really quite insignificant). So yeah, she'd be better at lane holding then Cantabile but if you want a lane holding vanguard there are a lot of better options. Like have you seen Y module Siege in action? My girl got a huge boost to dps and DP generation. If I want a laneholding vanguard I'd choose her over Ines any day of the week. And there's also Bagpipe and Flametail and Saga. Ines just seems to be in a weird spot to me. A shame because I love her design.
Damn, Second talent reveals invisible enemies. Her S2 has Steal Effect and S3 can bind multiple enemies. I gonna full pot her when she releases in Global!
@@slonik0002 its about popularity theyre not gonna make a banner thats bound to flop. Hoederer isnt relevant enough or popular enough to get his own banner so best we can hope for is 5 star hoederer on someone else's banner
I find it funny when a 6 star is better than the 5 star, they say it's powercreep and HG just cares about *BIG PP DAMAGE* and yet when a 6* is doing good but not better than 5* counterpart, they shit on it like their life's got ruined. Pick one side people, what the fuck do you want lmao
Probably because Hypergryph has kinda messed up unit balance when they released Texas and Yato alters as fast redeploys who have more dps than guards. So to quite a number of people now, anything that doesn't outright delete enemies look meh. Can't really blame them. I find her kit quite interesting though.
@@skadi5196 pretty it's not the first time this happened. Long before Texalter and Kirito, there are are people that shat on 6* just because they aren't broken Agree, makes me want to pull for (and I don't really pay attention to her before)
Is she though? At only SL7, she's taking 12 seconds for s2, while generating 17 DP, as opposed to Cantabile's 12 (peaking at 11) seconds for 18 DP at M3. It's looking like she's going to generate even more at m3, maybe even enough to justify bringing her for DP despite the higher rarity and deployment cost. Her skill also charges faster than Cantabile's s2, so there's a chance HG is cracked enough to give her a near on-deploy S2 at M3, invalidating the need for Bagpipe who Cantabile has to rely on.
@@sharksarecool6717 M3 only increase aspd cap by 10, so it's probably only enough to launch an additional attack. And she need 5 seconds to activate her s2 after deploy at m3. Maybe i'm wrong if i said Cantabile is better at DP printing, but it's true that she's more flexible as ines will lost a lot of dp if there is no enemy to attack for even just a second
@@sharksarecool6717 No. Ines cycles faster with her s2. but its still 15/20 sp as opposed to canti 20/25 so yes she needs bagpipe if you want to immediately activate her S2. Also canti skill 2 is ammo based and also she gains total of +64 ASPD with skill active (Ines gets total of 10 stack of 7 attack speed so after 10 hits she will get +70 ASPD) so she gains more DP in less amount of time. Also you have to consider the initial cost of deploying both. There is a high chance that lots of ppl have canti at P6 since she was on limited banner so she can be deployed fast. So both will have their adv and dis adv but if you find a target for both canti will definitely give more DP very fast. Also second part is just wrong (About not needing bagpipe)
Does the initial drop in S3 give DP? Or only once she's actually deployed on 2nd deployment? But regardless she's already on my watch list on the very few standard banner units that I'd be willing to pull on.
her initial deployment is only meant to set up the shadow sentinel, therefore she cost no deployment slot and cost, and her redeployment time is refreshed right away. She only regenerate DP from 2nd deployment onward, when retrieving the Shadow Sentinel she can damage up to 6 enemies and recover 6 DP, she can generate additional cost with some skill duration left.
@@saltissalty3498 Yeah I figured that was the case, I just wasn't sure if the initial deployment did damage and/or generate DP. I guess it literally just drops the thing which is still pretty good, free slow and enemy reveal at the start of every map.
It's funny that these guys in the comment judged her from numbers on her release day, only for her to be a top-tier vanguard with unique utility later on. Not just big numbers go brr.
She does if target in range since aspd of ines also depends on enemies. Ines looks like she focuses more on utility instead of DP printing with still generating good (not broken) amount of DP.
Nah, both are almost the same, I don't think Cantabile has her own issues in some cases. She can't generate DP if enemies are not in her range. Ines is more utility based & more balanced.
@@shihabchowdhury4994 ahh I have written this like 3rd time. On paper canti prints more dp much faster than ines'. We will be comparing both of their S2 (canti is ammo based and ines' is auto duration based). So we will be assuming that both have a target that they can hit over entire skill duration (don't tell me about this is unfair and all since depending on situation ines'can have down time leading to loosing DP gain. And for other situations she will have adv of long range. So both have adv and dis adv. ) So now if we assume what I said, canti prints 18 dp in 11 secs while ines' prints 17 dp in 12 secs both assuming at M3. (Seems like lot small difference no-> well not exactly) disregard this line if you are whale. But since ines' is 6 star she has initial deployment cost of 11 and canti has it at 10 but canti is 5star and she was on limited banner so lots of ppl will have her at p6 and also if not she is more accessible hence you can deploy her as cheap as 8 dp.
Is it just me, or does the animation for her basic attack seem very out of place and kinda annoying? I think it would look better if she just threw the knife. Her attack speed here is just too slow to justify the blur effect. Her s2 looks alright but everywhere else it’s just kinda jarring.
@@Bakagii That makes sense. And most play is at x2 speed. But I'd like to enjoy the animation at all speeds. I do think I'd like it a lot better if it was on her melee animation instead of her knife throwing one. That kind of animation generally communicates either a mysteriously powerful nature or an intensity born of urgency. If it's the former, then losing it on the melee animation makes no sense and if it's the latter I don't get why she's more urgent in throwing the knife than in dealing with an enemy that's already on her, where she just sits there and takes it.
@@ianwatson9358 thats understandable, i actually like her sword swinging animation better too and that its the one that deserves the glitching effect especially thanks to the aspd boost from s2. Something like chen's animation but shorter and it's every hit
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Ines Skill 3 is so goddamn interesting along with the menacing sword coming back to her at any direction which is amazing!!!
With that practical talent & skill, I'm liking Agent class more
it is refreshing that we get a 6 star Operator that is unique yet interesting kit and not just *ooga bogga new six star big number*
yes this. Finally a balanced character. Also brings soo much utility.
@@deepprakashamin9129 The thing is, Cantabile is OP so by making Ines balanced they made the 6 star agent vanguard weaker then the 5 star agent vanguard. Her S3 is cool mechanically but it doesn't really seem very useful to me. If it hit all enemies it'd be decent for huge waves of slugs and stuff but the 5 enemy limit is really limiting. Her S2 seems to be her best skill to me but it still seems worse then Cantabile's S2. Don't see a lot of reason to use her over the other 6 star vanguards tbqh.
@@BrandonHeat243 Blah blah blah Cantabile is OP? Pfft. She seems more balanced to me than OP. You're a Cantabile simp & it shows from your other comments in other Arknights videos. You're trying so hard to downplay Ines to make yourself feel better & don't wanna admit that Ines is actually a 6 star version Cantabile/better Cantabile, lol. XD
@@BrandonHeat243 I mean is she though?? ines can still generate 17 DP in 12 sec with her S2. Also She brings ton of utility like revealing invisible enemies(mentioned this because this imo will be used more than other utilities) So i think she is atleast canti level if not more.
@@deepprakashamin9129 Ammo skills are inherently superior to time limited skills. By quite a bit frankly. In ideal circumstances Ines can generate as much DP as Cantabile but in practice she almost never would. Cantabile seems clearly superior in terms of DP generation to me. Especially in the early game(which is the only time when DP generation really matters usually). Ines's S2 does have better range and the Bind/attack debuff. The range is obviously useful and the Bind ups her survivability when lane holding compared to Cantabile as does the attack debuff(though the debuff is really quite insignificant). So yeah, she'd be better at lane holding then Cantabile but if you want a lane holding vanguard there are a lot of better options. Like have you seen Y module Siege in action? My girl got a huge boost to dps and DP generation. If I want a laneholding vanguard I'd choose her over Ines any day of the week. And there's also Bagpipe and Flametail and Saga. Ines just seems to be in a weird spot to me. A shame because I love her design.
Damn, Second talent reveals invisible enemies. Her S2 has Steal Effect and S3 can bind multiple enemies. I gonna full pot her when she releases in Global!
S3 can bind but not because of the skill. Her talent let's her do this
@@Sairento-kunI think he mean that she can bind multiple enemies at once with S3
She will be funny to use, especially with W
now we wait for hoerderer to become playable
I think thats unlikely but maybe we can get him as a 5 star or free unit like heidi
@@kenshi3942 Heck no, he’s on par with Ines’s skill. Make him a 6* too, we already got shafted once with Noir2 being a 5* for some reason.
@@slonik0002 its about popularity theyre not gonna make a banner thats bound to flop. Hoederer isnt relevant enough or popular enough to get his own banner so best we can hope for is 5 star hoederer on someone else's banner
@@kenshi3942 They already made Chongyue as a limited 6* male, I can dream
@@kenshi3942 stainless getting his own banner though he looks like side character :
Love her so much!! Have to max her when she comes to global
I find it funny when a 6 star is better than the 5 star, they say it's powercreep and HG just cares about *BIG PP DAMAGE* and yet when a 6* is doing good but not better than 5* counterpart, they shit on it like their life's got ruined. Pick one side people, what the fuck do you want lmao
I wonder how effective Ines S1 would be with Chen Module lv3 in the team.
Blemishine doesn't affect offensive recovery skills
@@nataloserlover Oh shit, it's true, I didn't realize that, I'll edit my comment
Prolly overkill because she won't have enough enemies to attack with, instead, Offensive SP agents have better synergy with Stainless s3
Should be fun with IS reduce deployment time artifact.
*Victoria no bagpaipu flashback*
Her s3 is basically Shen's sword from league of legends
but it can deal dmg
Very true
More like sayah dagger
What's wrong with people saying she's the worst 6* just because she is not outright broken?
Probably because Hypergryph has kinda messed up unit balance when they released Texas and Yato alters as fast redeploys who have more dps than guards.
So to quite a number of people now, anything that doesn't outright delete enemies look meh. Can't really blame them.
I find her kit quite interesting though.
@@skadi5196 pretty it's not the first time this happened. Long before Texalter and Kirito, there are are people that shat on 6* just because they aren't broken
Agree, makes me want to pull for (and I don't really pay attention to her before)
She's very op, to set as assistant 😙
I'm down bad for her, so I'll pull anyway... Waifu > meta
Now the agent class get some love
I'm glad Cantabile's still a better dp generator than her
Is she though? At only SL7, she's taking 12 seconds for s2, while generating 17 DP, as opposed to Cantabile's 12 (peaking at 11) seconds for 18 DP at M3. It's looking like she's going to generate even more at m3, maybe even enough to justify bringing her for DP despite the higher rarity and deployment cost.
Her skill also charges faster than Cantabile's s2, so there's a chance HG is cracked enough to give her a near on-deploy S2 at M3, invalidating the need for Bagpipe who Cantabile has to rely on.
@@sharksarecool6717 M3 only increase aspd cap by 10, so it's probably only enough to launch an additional attack. And she need 5 seconds to activate her s2 after deploy at m3. Maybe i'm wrong if i said Cantabile is better at DP printing, but it's true that she's more flexible as ines will lost a lot of dp if there is no enemy to attack for even just a second
@@sharksarecool6717 No. Ines cycles faster with her s2. but its still 15/20 sp as opposed to canti 20/25 so yes she needs bagpipe if you want to immediately activate her S2. Also canti skill 2 is ammo based and also she gains total of +64 ASPD with skill active (Ines gets total of 10 stack of 7 attack speed so after 10 hits she will get +70 ASPD) so she gains more DP in less amount of time. Also you have to consider the initial cost of deploying both. There is a high chance that lots of ppl have canti at P6 since she was on limited banner so she can be deployed fast. So both will have their adv and dis adv but if you find a target for both canti will definitely give more DP very fast. Also second part is just wrong (About not needing bagpipe)
@@deepprakashamin9129 so how many second for ines to get full stack aspd on her s2? I think cantabile still better for faster dp printing
Better DP generator? Fuck no. Faster DP generator? Then yes. Both are good, Ines is just more DPS oriented.
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성능 개좋네;
FRD with DP on attack talent.
점마 왜저리 흠칫거림
단검 던지고 뛰어가서 다시 주워와서 던지나봄
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ㅇㅅㅇ 바부 중섭 핵굇 테냐님이다.
@@user-honut ????? 제가 왜 핵굇임 저리가샌
Nice
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I still love her regular attack animation
Does the initial drop in S3 give DP? Or only once she's actually deployed on 2nd deployment? But regardless she's already on my watch list on the very few standard banner units that I'd be willing to pull on.
her initial deployment is only meant to set up the shadow sentinel, therefore she cost no deployment slot and cost, and her redeployment time is refreshed right away.
She only regenerate DP from 2nd deployment onward, when retrieving the Shadow Sentinel she can damage up to 6 enemies and recover 6 DP, she can generate additional cost with some skill duration left.
@@saltissalty3498 Yeah I figured that was the case, I just wasn't sure if the initial deployment did damage and/or generate DP. I guess it literally just drops the thing which is still pretty good, free slow and enemy reveal at the start of every map.
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Ines cool 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖✨✨✨
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Is the skill 3 can damage drone units as well?
yes
Wow
Ines > Like I YEASH XD
S2 on 2x speed
Is this only to CN that she is coming because I'm currently using either global or EN.
Global (JP/KR/EN) is behind CN by about 6 months.
yes, she is coming to global after about 6 months.
She’ll come to global in 6-7 months.
@@slonik0002 that is so long
@@notmeee48 usually it's 6 months but Yostar (the publisher for global) has been delaying events for whatever reason
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It's funny that these guys in the comment judged her from numbers on her release day, only for her to be a top-tier vanguard with unique utility later on. Not just big numbers go brr.
I think Cantabile prints more DP ngl.
She does if target in range since aspd of ines also depends on enemies. Ines looks like she focuses more on utility instead of DP printing with still generating good (not broken) amount of DP.
Yeah
Nah, both are almost the same, I don't think Cantabile has her own issues in some cases. She can't generate DP if enemies are not in her range. Ines is more utility based & more balanced.
@@shihabchowdhury4994 ahh I have written this like 3rd time. On paper canti prints more dp much faster than ines'. We will be comparing both of their S2 (canti is ammo based and ines' is auto duration based). So we will be assuming that both have a target that they can hit over entire skill duration (don't tell me about this is unfair and all since depending on situation ines'can have down time leading to loosing DP gain. And for other situations she will have adv of long range. So both have adv and dis adv. ) So now if we assume what I said, canti prints 18 dp in 11 secs while ines' prints 17 dp in 12 secs both assuming at M3. (Seems like lot small difference no-> well not exactly) disregard this line if you are whale. But since ines' is 6 star she has initial deployment cost of 11 and canti has it at 10 but canti is 5star and she was on limited banner so lots of ppl will have her at p6 and also if not she is more accessible hence you can deploy her as cheap as 8 dp.
@@shihabchowdhury4994man keep crying for ines
Limited???
No
Oh look at that, a slightly higher budget Cantabile!
Meh Cantabile is better tbh
i guess cantabile is still great
Yes she isn't powercrept but don't say she's better than Ines when they're equally great
@@shihabchowdhury4994 what are you talking about lol
Idc about her skill, I just want her "PLOT"
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Is it just me, or does the animation for her basic attack seem very out of place and kinda annoying? I think it would look better if she just threw the knife. Her attack speed here is just too slow to justify the blur effect. Her s2 looks alright but everywhere else it’s just kinda jarring.
Lmao, agree..
it looks fine when in x2 speed tbh, tho its probably my bias to glitchy effects
@@Bakagii Plus, this video is very zoomed-in (for showcase purposes), which you won't be able to do in-game.
@@Bakagii That makes sense. And most play is at x2 speed. But I'd like to enjoy the animation at all speeds. I do think I'd like it a lot better if it was on her melee animation instead of her knife throwing one. That kind of animation generally communicates either a mysteriously powerful nature or an intensity born of urgency. If it's the former, then losing it on the melee animation makes no sense and if it's the latter I don't get why she's more urgent in throwing the knife than in dealing with an enemy that's already on her, where she just sits there and takes it.
@@ianwatson9358 thats understandable, i actually like her sword swinging animation better too and that its the one that deserves the glitching effect especially thanks to the aspd boost from s2. Something like chen's animation but shorter and it's every hit
Feels a bit underwhelming, pass.