Vintage Computer Festival Midwest 2023

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  • Chicago Classic Computing puts on a convention in Elmhurst, IL. where hobbyists can buy and sell vintage computers and watch presentations featuring The 8-Bit Guy, LGR, Computer Clan, Adrian's Digital Basement, Ben Heck Hacks and 8-Bit Show and Tell.

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  • @trumpdonald6911
    @trumpdonald6911 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    So that’s where all the cool kids went this weekend.

  • @costasspartan1894
    @costasspartan1894 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I gotta say your explanation of what was at VCF was one of the most easy, simple and straight to the point descriptions so far on TH-cam.
    Thanks for the great content.

  • @oliverw.douglas285
    @oliverw.douglas285 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I enjoyed my time at VCFMW18. We had a few tables in the hall, & a display table in the 2nd big room. Sold a few items, made a few friends, & saw a huge turn-out of retro tech fans.
    I'm already getting ready for next year's show. I need a bigger vehicle, more table space, & a few extra hands to help.
    I wonder what to bring? Older laptops & accessories, retro tech art, telephony items, electronic components & tools? So many things to consider. And it's just 10-months away!

  • @MikeDest
    @MikeDest ปีที่แล้ว +5

    8bit guy’s posture always makes me sit/stand up straight.

    • @jackilynpyzocha662
      @jackilynpyzocha662 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like I am back to typing class! Mrs. Ellen Farquar, the former Monson Jr.-Sr. High School in MA 1978-82

  • @IntoTheVerticalBlank
    @IntoTheVerticalBlank ปีที่แล้ว +5

    YOU got A LOT of great ST items, fellow ST brother! But we Love all of the retro computers too. They all are AMAZING. What a great festival.

  • @waytostoned
    @waytostoned ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It was soooo busy this year, barely had room to walk around!

  • @QuaaludeCharlie
    @QuaaludeCharlie 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I bet stuff from Digi Barn and Computer Reset made it to the Show , Was great to see some of this VCF , Thank you for the footage , Liked and Shared :) QC

  • @63801170
    @63801170 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for the simple walkthrough and chat... felt like I was there. 👍

  • @jackilynpyzocha662
    @jackilynpyzocha662 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As Clint from LGR would say "Retro goodness!" Thank you both for your videos!

  • @Dr.Quarex
    @Dr.Quarex ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It was an amazing time as always, but one of my favorite personal moments at the show was when I saw the Combat setup with that huge Atari cabinet and played against my friend I was with, and I realized since he and I had been friends in Kindergarten and played Combat and then drifted apart for like 15 years afterwards that it was the first time we had played Combat together since the 1980s, which was adorable, haha.

  • @MichaelZweifel
    @MichaelZweifel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Enjoyed your video of VCF Midwest, my first year going. I picked up four CoCo's I was talking to the guy about the gray CoCo when you were film it I was the guy in the Pink Floyd shirt. and I got it for decent price.

  • @musiclabmn
    @musiclabmn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was checking to see if I showed up in any videos taken during the event, and yes.. the corner of my large head and Dr. Pepper when you were showing the Sun and SGI computers for sale. That was a table I was sharing with a couple other people. Had a great time and sold almost every single thing I came with and didn't buy much (with one exception, picked up a maxed out RS6000 workstation since I love Unix devices). Looking forward to next year for sure

  • @NotSleepy
    @NotSleepy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for posting the vid.. Nice job. I found myself at 16:46.

  • @davidgari3240
    @davidgari3240 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I learned BASIC on a DEC PDP-8 in 1974 (compiler! 8-inch floppies!) so recognized every farking machine.
    The wide beige box you couldn't ID was prolly DEC Ultrix (RISC Alpha CPU).
    Thanks for the memories.

  • @neophytealpha
    @neophytealpha 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Used many of the old computer systems, but mainly have nostalgia for the Commmodore 64 and 128

  • @SatoshiMatrix1
    @SatoshiMatrix1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If I was in the US, I would love to go to this. Such a chill vibe the place seems to have.

  • @evilengine9
    @evilengine9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just found this channel. Great footage! Brought me back to when I was a kid. Keep up the good work!

  • @jubsy
    @jubsy ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Every year I go, I find exactly what I'm looking to buy for stupid low prices. This year was the best yet, so many vendors. Also getting to meet the makers who are helping the hobby thrive is brilliant.

    • @computerhobbyists3070
      @computerhobbyists3070  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I totally agree. I got great deals on everything I bought today.

    • @kamsyed4450
      @kamsyed4450 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there any VCF in Virginia?

  • @Californiansurfer
    @Californiansurfer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ❤Great memories. Growing up in Downey we had NASA Rockwell which local library had chip books. I made my first clone IBM in 1989, remember looking for software. lotius 123, WordPerfect , dbase . Old dial up days all monchriome green or orange. I think “COMPUTER GAMES” movie came out. I remember Micro Center in Orange County was only place to get electronics. Micro Center is still standing and found one in Dallas Texas. Today, I surf more, but stilll living in Downey. Weekends, find so much old legacy stuff, that I throw it away. I just can’t find who would like it.. Well, surfing today. Chicano Mexicano Beverly hills Downey California. I speak Spanglish with family and friends, but work and business, English only. 😢

  • @dinkc64
    @dinkc64 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Around 11:00 the computer is a msx2 and the game is space manbow, if my memory serves me well.

  • @jackilynpyzocha662
    @jackilynpyzocha662 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A Trip down Nostalgia Lane!

  • @winstonsmith478
    @winstonsmith478 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:46 Sharp X68000 - MC68000 computer with arcade quality graphics - the "Japanese Amiga"
    10:58 Exidy Sorcerer - Z80 computer by an arcade machine manufacturer - wanted one badly at the time it came out, but it was too expensive
    11:05 Sony HB-F1XV MSX computer - the cool looking computer & game

  • @BlackEpyon
    @BlackEpyon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need to register to get my passport. There's so many good retro-computer festivals in the states!

  • @Solarnova
    @Solarnova ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice walkthrough, thanks. Always good to see an audience for retro computing.

  • @Boris_Amiga1200
    @Boris_Amiga1200 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wowww never been a place like that, ohhhh. Just love to visit a place like that, to see all great computers and consoles!

  • @ForgottenMachines
    @ForgottenMachines 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    14:41 Orange's UNIX PC sighting with expansion module....nice!!!

  • @alancheatley4378
    @alancheatley4378 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Them were UK Sinclair Spectrums and not the Timex, 128K with the grill, 48K and the original rubber key version... ZX81 in the back there!! 😊

  • @ChaunceyGardener
    @ChaunceyGardener ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:00 - "S-stay away from me... T-talk to her". His body language says it all.

  • @vintagekyoshodotcom
    @vintagekyoshodotcom ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh wow! that was amazing. Loved the OS/2 stuff. I still love that old OS. I have it running as a virtual machine.

  • @cullmaster7361
    @cullmaster7361 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    No mention of Ben Heck!? He was seen after the 8-bit guy….

    • @computerhobbyists3070
      @computerhobbyists3070  ปีที่แล้ว

      My bad. I forgot to mention him.

    • @Woodwerker
      @Woodwerker ปีที่แล้ว

      The 8 bit guy is all about making the money.

  • @s1ider
    @s1ider ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh man! Thanks for the video. I want to go to the next one in the Midwest (as I am from Omaha).

  • @qster
    @qster ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really enjoyed this, so much nostalgia in one room!

  • @ricardojpinheiro
    @ricardojpinheiro ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11:03 That computer that you said you didn't knew, but rhe game is cool... It's a MSX 2+, built and sold by Sony in Japan. It's a HB-F1XV, one of the most beautiful computers I have ever seen. And I have some MSXs... BTW, the game is Space Manbow, from Konami, 1989. One of my favourite shmups, made exclusively for MSX 2.
    10:46 There is a Sharp X68000 (maybe the most beautiful mid tower computer of all world) with Roland MA-10 boxes, and a Pioneer PV-60, which is a MSX 1. All of them are Japanese computers.
    In particular, the MSX standard is known by their fans as the "most magical computer of all kind". And I can't question this remark, MSX is my passion, I have more than thirty of them!
    Great video! Hope I can go to a VCF in the future. Cheers from Retrópolis, the City of the Classics, in Brazil!

  • @soda_coir7595
    @soda_coir7595 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm not really a computer guy but I legit want to buy an old classic computer just cause they're cool!

  • @johnwilliams7999
    @johnwilliams7999 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the spectrums do look pretty slick against all of that beige LOL

  • @supercompooper
    @supercompooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really appreciate this. This was amazing footage. You have great knowledge of history too. I grew up with a coco and c64 and treasured those years. THANKS AGAIN! :)

  • @TastyBusiness
    @TastyBusiness ปีที่แล้ว +1

    16:01 Man, that guy must really love VIC-20's

  • @mrmelo7084
    @mrmelo7084 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saw what looked like a Ohio Scientific for a couple frames around time index 1:18. Own on in late 70's. Very rare and forgotten machine.

  • @jackilynpyzocha662
    @jackilynpyzocha662 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got a TI 99 4A for Christmas in 1983, it sold, at the time: $50.00. Great color 16K, system, BASIC, cartridges, great way to start computing!

    • @jackilynpyzocha662
      @jackilynpyzocha662 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They were sold for $50.00 when they exited the market, too!

    • @jackilynpyzocha662
      @jackilynpyzocha662 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I want to buy one, but I have a newer HDMI tv. What cable do I need to get the system to work with the tv? Data, please. Thanks.

  • @thomasandrews9355
    @thomasandrews9355 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was the Amiga of Rochester table. We were doing live repair work. We were repairing a sound card when you had come by.

  • @upgrade1373
    @upgrade1373 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for sharing this!

  • @FloppyDeepDive
    @FloppyDeepDive ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for sharing this. I have been wanting to go to the Midwest for a few years. I need to make it next year.

  • @SkullkraneEntertainment
    @SkullkraneEntertainment ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was an amazing show! So excited for next year's!

  • @ForgottenMachines
    @ForgottenMachines ปีที่แล้ว

    What an amazing video...and thanks for capturing my table at 5:12 !!

  • @Alozhatos
    @Alozhatos ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:00 8-Bit Guy and Mrs Murray!

  • @FrankieTheFluff
    @FrankieTheFluff ปีที่แล้ว +1

    perfect

  • @davidcarlson2481
    @davidcarlson2481 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow I love how the event badges are inspired by the Rush 2112 album cover art.

  • @KameraShy
    @KameraShy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Strange ... this popped up on my YT feed. I was there Saturday. Show was huge, overwhelming. More than I was expecting. Whole place was packed and roads jammed with cars.

    • @computerhobbyists3070
      @computerhobbyists3070  ปีที่แล้ว

      The attendance looked great this year. Seems like it gets better every year.

  • @1Terrapin1
    @1Terrapin1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ha! I made the video! I was in line for a shirt.

  • @THEtechknight
    @THEtechknight ปีที่แล้ว

    Aww dang you missed our weatherstar exhibit. The youtubers were fun to hang around.

  • @cliffshockley4406
    @cliffshockley4406 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No disrespect to Mid-Atlantic VCF, but the Midwest has 100 times the vendors and deals! I wish I lived closer!

  • @radiosnmore
    @radiosnmore ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did I just see a stack of XFX graphics cards. Lucky

  • @marccaselle8108
    @marccaselle8108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I could have went and bought a Atari 8 bit computer or a apple 2 computer.

  • @Wellimanewguy
    @Wellimanewguy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:26 that's my bike!

  • @pauligrossinoz
    @pauligrossinoz หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:34 Correction - that's actually a VIC-20! ❤❤❤

  • @steverasmussen8738
    @steverasmussen8738 ปีที่แล้ว

    13:10 "Not sure what that is..." That's a TRS-80 Model 1 with MIRE and MISE expansions from Bartlett Labs, likely his table.

  • @radiodasantigas9607
    @radiodasantigas9607 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    10:48 - A Sharp X68k, proof that the Japanese have always been one or two steps ahead in technology.

  • @transitengineer
    @transitengineer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, so much for sharing this is an excellent video. In the 1980's, I donated to Goodwill a perfectly good running Atari 800 computer, why? Because, I thought that was what you were suppose to do when, you were no longer using an electronic device. Now, I know better and if it still works ... I never toss it out. Currently, in my Apple desktop computer collection are the following: All-in-One 5500 with Apple's internal Video Card system and Apple's internal TV/FM Radio Card system with its matching black remote control; white 20-inch G4 iMac, glossy white 20-inch G5 iMac, glossy white 24-inch Intel iMac; 2010 "mac mini" (the last model with a built-in DVD super-drive); and a space gray "trash can" Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD model (smile...smile).

  • @customsongmaker
    @customsongmaker ปีที่แล้ว

    The ones that say Singer may be controllers for sewing machines or some kind of textile manufacturing. I'm just guessing, because of Singer sewing machines.
    There was a sewing machine that was controlled by a Game Boy Color which had 10% of the electronic sewing machine market in Japan. It was licensed internationally by Singer.

  • @suvetar
    @suvetar ปีที่แล้ว

    Chiptunes NIN "Pretty Eight Machine" awesome 😀

  • @sideburn
    @sideburn ปีที่แล้ว

    Blazed right by a Macintosh Portable on the old ibm stuff table

  • @floydlooney6837
    @floydlooney6837 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My first PC was a Tandy 486(sx or dx.. I don't remember), 25MHZ with a 100 MB hdd. Had a 1x CD-ROM.

  • @jaredbrown691
    @jaredbrown691 ปีที่แล้ว

    Prices were great. You showed the Atari XEGS I bought. Got to take a pic with Adrian Black and talk to him for a couple of minutes. Such a nice guy.

  • @Lofote
    @Lofote 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very nice. Cool video about this cool meeting of vintage hardware and vintage hardware fans :)... As a C64/128 fan since about 1985 I always love to see how an active community has been built in the last years, with people like 8bitguy and others really finding lots of other fans and making great interesting content about this computer history.
    I must however be the only person who never thought Doom looked good, not even in the 90s ;)... Maybe its because I first got to see Descent which came about a year later, already with 3D enemies and real 3D environment rotating in all directions, and only got to see Doom later and always hated how bad it looks in comparison with its strange sprites and environment :-D I guess you have to had seen Doom first to admire it.

  • @quantumrobin4627
    @quantumrobin4627 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The E.T. Atari game is collectible now basically because of how Atari treated it, the whole “bury the remains in embarrassment” treatment and subsequent excavation of the buried cartridges sealed the deal

  • @kenwheeler3637
    @kenwheeler3637 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:45 No mention of the mighty Sharp X68000. I had a chance to get a complete system about 10 years ago that was here in the US and I've been regretting missing out on it ever since. For all I know that could be the one right there.
    10:57 These are two rarely seen systems, the Exidy Sorcerer on the left and the Umtech VideoBrain on the right.
    There sure was a lot of cool stuff to see there.

  • @frankaalbers1099
    @frankaalbers1099 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ET game . Not because they are good, but because they are rare ! Lots of them ended up in landfill after game got discarted by producers

  • @douro20
    @douro20 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The computer at 11:03 is a Sony Hit-Bit F1XV MSX2+.
    I think that's a Macintosh II being shown running screwed down to a piece of wood at 13:15.

  • @elevate32767
    @elevate32767 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is awesome. eMachines: Never Obsolete

    • @computerhobbyists3070
      @computerhobbyists3070  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks!

    • @soda_coir7595
      @soda_coir7595 ปีที่แล้ว

      I legit have an old emachines monitor, I don't know if it works cause it hasn't been used in years but idk it might lol.

  • @syrus3k
    @syrus3k ปีที่แล้ว

    Good grief, there's tonnes of great stuff here!! I don't think you'd ever see anything this good in the UK

  • @mwaddams
    @mwaddams 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nabu's at 9:10 and 15:14!

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is nuts!

  • @awaismushtaq5719
    @awaismushtaq5719 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Coolest

  • @erikkarsies4851
    @erikkarsies4851 ปีที่แล้ว

    What computer was that with the GFA Basic 3.0 stuff around it? GFA Basic was the best widely available basic version on the Atari ST anyway.

  • @pixelpusher8986
    @pixelpusher8986 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about legacy unix systems? I would like to see one of those.

    • @computerhobbyists3070
      @computerhobbyists3070  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There were quite a few old Silicon Graphics and Sun machines there.

  • @steverasmussen8738
    @steverasmussen8738 ปีที่แล้ว

    IBM 6400 Printer @1:27 :) OMG, we had one at work that replaced a 4248. Still needed a printer for carbon and carbonless multipart forms into 2010's :)

  • @Potts1966
    @Potts1966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was that an Atari TT or just a Mega STE on the right at 11:09? Nice, would have liked to have seen something running on that.

    • @nickblack9891
      @nickblack9891 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Looked like a TT to me

    • @Potts1966
      @Potts1966 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nickblack9891 Thought so. I had a Mega ST2 back in the day, loved it, but it wasn't a TT :)

  • @bazodee2
    @bazodee2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The full size CBM-II must be a rare computer, didnt see them on the vid.

  • @spaceflightbricks
    @spaceflightbricks 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wow, this was awesome! over the years I got rid of all sorts of classics which were 'junk' at the time, this gives me some hope :D btw at 5:06 those are some HP 9000 workstations

  • @bobriemersma
    @bobriemersma ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For a while any working CRT TV that had audio and S-video input jacks were hot around here. The larger ones 24" and up weigh a ton.

  • @AndREDraut
    @AndREDraut 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    03:06 - ET - the game is popular because of its history - not the quality of it ;) It stands for the crash of the console market in the 80's. Really nice video, great machines and stuff.

  • @radiosnmore
    @radiosnmore ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kinda thought I saw an ESS switch

  • @jayshaeffer180
    @jayshaeffer180 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I need a vintage IBM monitor, anyone know when something like this may come to Colorado?

  • @j.lietka9406
    @j.lietka9406 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What was the oldest computer/ system you saw there?

  • @radiosnmore
    @radiosnmore ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome man wish I was there. Soundsl
    Like fun ...moterola RPM software on dos anyone ?

  • @GTXDash
    @GTXDash 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:59 Are all 3 of them playing Quake on one SGI machine?

  • @inversephase
    @inversephase 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm the guy selling "music software" at 2:12 - it's actually not software, just music written on a bunch of vintage computers and game systems like the ones in your video.

  • @jakubkrcma
    @jakubkrcma 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

  • @mercster
    @mercster ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those C128Ds are cool.

    • @mercster
      @mercster ปีที่แล้ว

      Amiga 500... can't see price tag...

    • @mercster
      @mercster ปีที่แล้ว

      I had ET for 2600 and I liked it. I was a kid... I don't know what people expect.

    • @mercster
      @mercster ปีที่แล้ว

      OK NOW WE'RE GETTING SERIOUS... I WANT EVERY ONE OF THOSE SUNS ULTRAS.

    • @mercster
      @mercster ปีที่แล้ว

      SGI OCTANE! Man.

    • @mercster
      @mercster ปีที่แล้ว

      So much UNIX and Amiga, man I would have loved to see that. Wish I was rich.

  • @bengineer8
    @bengineer8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The computer was "streaming" video from an N64 behind/beside it, not playing it.

  • @mwk1
    @mwk1 ปีที่แล้ว

    00:50 - widzę, że niektórym ludziom kowidek całkowicie mózgi pozjadał ;-)

  • @MaxPanic
    @MaxPanic ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish there was something like this in Australia (or Europe), but if there it's likely I'd probably be bankrupt :) I just can't pass up an old Apple ][ or TRS or Amiga.

  • @JimLeonard
    @JimLeonard ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video quality, what did you use to shoot the video with?
    Tiny correction, the vintage computer federation does not put on every show called "vintage computer festival"; this specific one was brought to you by Chicago Classic Computing. Glad you enjoyed the show.

    • @computerhobbyists3070
      @computerhobbyists3070  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the info. I used an iPhone 14 in 4K mode to shoot the video.

    • @JimLeonard
      @JimLeonard ปีที่แล้ว

      @@computerhobbyists3070 We had technical difficulties recording video of the panel, and I noticed that you have panel footage at the end of this video. Is there any chance we could get access to all of your raw panel footage, with an appropriate credit of course?

    • @computerhobbyists3070
      @computerhobbyists3070  ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately, I only shot about 15 seconds of video from the panel. @@JimLeonard

    • @JimLeonard
      @JimLeonard ปีที่แล้ว

      @@computerhobbyists3070 no worries, can I use what is here with your permission and credit?

    • @computerhobbyists3070
      @computerhobbyists3070  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Go ahead and use the footage of the panel. @@JimLeonard

  • @ddargel
    @ddargel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was a TI-99/4A😆

  • @user-ir2sy9ut1e
    @user-ir2sy9ut1e 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    HDVE A GOOD TIME!PC PARTY

  • @klaxer9224
    @klaxer9224 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:03 => MSX Yamaha standard

  • @douro20
    @douro20 ปีที่แล้ว

    What were they showing running OS-9 next to the Time Circuits display?

  • @jinchoung
    @jinchoung ปีที่แล้ว

    saw someone manipulating a joystick at 9:07 and was thinking - oooo, haven't seen that retro joystick! and they're operating their wheelchair....

  • @customsongmaker
    @customsongmaker ปีที่แล้ว

    What aspect ratio are you filming in, 2:1 anamorphic widescreen?

  • @dcocz3908
    @dcocz3908 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shame there is little to no Acorns, they did sell them State side. So many masks, I'm pleased we shook those of 2y ago now