Oh wow dude, this is the first time I'm seeing their faces 😂. My goodness how wrong was I. But these 2 are one of the most theologically sound Christian podcast. Thank you guys so so so much. Lots of love from India🇮🇳
@Anugrah Ashok, see if you can find the video documentary called American Gospel Christ alone, its not just for Americans, but all Christians ... they both are in it!! A MUST SEE!
Hey now, fellas! I listened to BOTH previous podcasts on this! I count!😜😂😊 Thank you for everything you are doing! I look forward to hearing each episode
@@russellberger36 I thought you only mentioned two here, but I listen to them every time they show up on Spotify. One I had to watch on TH-cam, because Spotify got screwed up on the second episode. So MY counting wires got crossed, and I have indeed caught them all in looking back😁 I'm issuing myself a "Defend and Confirm Podcast" gold star😂😜
Great episode -looking forward to the next episode on DMM! Can y’all please address some of the conversation we’ve had about the Navigators and how they fit in? Just would like to hear that fleshed out a little more. Eric Tysinger
@Russel Berger Thanks for the thoughtful work! Can we call it descriptive AND see the transcultural principles that can be applied to missions post Pentecost? Trace Jesus instructions in Luke 10 to Paul’s patterns in Acts to Paul’s epistle instructions to apostolic delegates Timothy and Titus. There’s coherence throughout. Even Barnabas, Paul’s coworker is thought to be one of the 72, and perhaps a bridge pre Pentecost to post Pentecost mission praxis. Compare Jesus and Paul and you see repeatable patterns such as sovereign preparation, kingdom proclamation (judgment), emphasis on the household, hospitality, and itinerancy. I disagree that it’s problematic to use Luke 10 for entry training, but I think a better more complete pattern is modeled by Paul in Acts/epistles. The next logical question then… Did Luke intend for Acts to be only descriptive, or did he intentionally include patterns to for the church to emulate? Also, thinking about this through a cross cultural lens. The POP principle prioritizes indigeneity. I’m hard pressed to come up with an entry strategy to a place with zero believers that wouldn’t at least resemble the POP/HOP strategy. Can you? Can we then, with good exegesis, use Luke 10 as a training principle-a way to view entry where there are no believers? Call it descriptive, but don’t deny it’s usefulness.
Luke 10 doesn’t demonstrate a principle for entering cultures where there are no believers. When Jesus sent out his disciples in this text, he sent them *exclusively* to ethnic Israel. That means he sent them to the people *already in Covenant with God*. As we pointed out, the “Son of peace” the disciples are told they might encounter is an example of a faithful Israelite, or what scripture elsewhere calls true Israel (Rom 9:6), the circumcised of heart (Deut 30:6) or the remnant (Ezra 9:8). This makes the “Son of peace” exactly like the disciples: a faithful jew. “The Son of peace” was the opposite of a cross-cultural insider. In other words, the events recorded in Luke 10, rightly understood, are *exactly the opposite* of what POP advocates teach. To say that this is a model for how we ought to reach the nations, or that the Son of peace is a “spiritually interested” non-christian is pure eisegesis. Now, does the book of Acts teach that God can use particular individuals in the salvation of their households and friends? Yes. Lydia, Cornelius, and the Philippian Jailer come to mind. Yet nowhere in Acts, or in the epistles, do we see any reference to searching for a “POP” as a missions strategy. If it was so critical to fulfilling the great commission, wouldn’t we expect to see even a passing reference to this search in the epistles? But we don’t. Quite the opposite, Paul’s strategy for entry into a pagan culture was open-air evangelism and public preaching (Acts 17). The apostles did not seem to view their primary task as finding people like Lydia. Rather, they saw finding people like Lydia to be a fruit of their primary task- publicly proclaiming the gospel wherever they went. Regarding Paul’s itinerancy and the descriptive/prescriptive nature of Acts, those are good questions. We will be doing an episode on these topics soon, so I’ll save my comments until then. Thanks!
Hey guys, as a brother in Christ, I'm really bothered by the condescension, arrogance, flippancy, and lack of Charity towards your spiritual family members. Many of whom are giving their lives for our Kingdom and the glory of Jesus Christ among the nations. I disagree with your arguments, and thats fine, but I'm really disturbed by your attitudes and find them sinful. You may disagree with the way others go about obeying Jesus, but have some respect for and show love and grace. To laugh, scoff, mock, and deride others who disagree is not helpful. Let's make sure we remember we are on the same side, and disagree in love with a desire to build one another up, being led by God's Spirit to edify one another. I personally was not edified or encouraged by this, regardless of the critique. There are enough attacks on the family of God, let's make sure the arrows come from the front, and not the back. Blessings to you both and may God shine his face on you and advance the cause of Christ through you.
I’m a big fan of your podcasts, but find this series to be particularly intriguing. Keep up the great work,guys.
Oh wow dude, this is the first time I'm seeing their faces 😂. My goodness how wrong was I.
But these 2 are one of the most theologically sound Christian podcast. Thank you guys so so so much.
Lots of love from India🇮🇳
You were wrong about our faces? Did you think we would be funny AND handsome?
My husband and I come for the wisdom and stay for Sean's facial expressions.
@@DefendandConfirmPodcast brother. Definitely handsome man. Definitely. I just imagined 2 very different guys 😅😂
@Anugrah Ashok, see if you can find the video documentary called American Gospel Christ alone, its not just for Americans, but all Christians ... they both are in it!! A MUST SEE!
Keep up the great work guys! I enjoy your podcast! Its serves and gives alot of value.
Hey now, fellas! I listened to BOTH previous podcasts on this! I count!😜😂😊
Thank you for everything you are doing! I look forward to hearing each episode
But there were 3 previous episodes 😭😭
@@russellberger36 I thought you only mentioned two here, but I listen to them every time they show up on Spotify. One I had to watch on TH-cam, because Spotify got screwed up on the second episode. So MY counting wires got crossed, and I have indeed caught them all in looking back😁 I'm issuing myself a "Defend and Confirm Podcast" gold star😂😜
@@shadowlandsfarmandcreamery5400 actually, there are 4. I don't even know how many. 😭
@@russellberger36 I don't feel so bad now!😂😜
Love your content guys! Listening in Alaska
Great episode -looking forward to the next episode on DMM!
Can y’all please address some of the conversation we’ve had about the Navigators and how they fit in? Just would like to hear that fleshed out a little more.
Eric Tysinger
@Russel Berger Thanks for the thoughtful work! Can we call it descriptive AND see the transcultural principles that can be applied to missions post Pentecost? Trace Jesus instructions in Luke 10 to Paul’s patterns in Acts to Paul’s epistle instructions to apostolic delegates Timothy and Titus. There’s coherence throughout. Even Barnabas, Paul’s coworker is thought to be one of the 72, and perhaps a bridge pre Pentecost to post Pentecost mission praxis. Compare Jesus and Paul and you see repeatable patterns such as sovereign preparation, kingdom proclamation (judgment), emphasis on the household, hospitality, and itinerancy. I disagree that it’s problematic to use Luke 10 for entry training, but I think a better more complete pattern is modeled by Paul in Acts/epistles. The next logical question then… Did Luke intend for Acts to be only descriptive, or did he intentionally include patterns to for the church to emulate?
Also, thinking about this through a cross cultural lens. The POP principle prioritizes indigeneity. I’m hard pressed to come up with an entry strategy to a place with zero believers that wouldn’t at least resemble the POP/HOP strategy. Can you? Can we then, with good exegesis, use Luke 10 as a training principle-a way to view entry where there are no believers? Call it descriptive, but don’t deny it’s usefulness.
Luke 10 doesn’t demonstrate a principle for entering cultures where there are no believers. When Jesus sent out his disciples in this text, he sent them *exclusively* to ethnic Israel. That means he sent them to the people *already in Covenant with God*. As we pointed out, the “Son of peace” the disciples are told they might encounter is an example of a faithful Israelite, or what scripture elsewhere calls true Israel (Rom 9:6), the circumcised of heart (Deut 30:6) or the remnant (Ezra 9:8). This makes the “Son of peace” exactly like the disciples: a faithful jew. “The Son of peace” was the opposite of a cross-cultural insider.
In other words, the events recorded in Luke 10, rightly understood, are *exactly the opposite* of what POP advocates teach. To say that this is a model for how we ought to reach the nations, or that the Son of peace is a “spiritually interested” non-christian is pure eisegesis.
Now, does the book of Acts teach that God can use particular individuals in the salvation of their households and friends? Yes. Lydia, Cornelius, and the Philippian Jailer come to mind. Yet nowhere in Acts, or in the epistles, do we see any reference to searching for a “POP” as a missions strategy. If it was so critical to fulfilling the great commission, wouldn’t we expect to see even a passing reference to this search in the epistles? But we don’t.
Quite the opposite, Paul’s strategy for entry into a pagan culture was open-air evangelism and public preaching (Acts 17). The apostles did not seem to view their primary task as finding people like Lydia. Rather, they saw finding people like Lydia to be a fruit of their primary task- publicly proclaiming the gospel wherever they went.
Regarding Paul’s itinerancy and the descriptive/prescriptive nature of Acts, those are good questions. We will be doing an episode on these topics soon, so I’ll save my comments until then.
Thanks!
Really enjoying this series.
Quick question: Did TH-cam censor this channel for episodes 1-37? Did Russell put his interview pants back on for Ep. 38, so they let you back on?
Nope, I just lost the files and didn't upload them. That was back when I did all the tech stuff myself, which the Lord has delivered us from.
Hey guys, as a brother in Christ, I'm really bothered by the condescension, arrogance, flippancy, and lack of Charity towards your spiritual family members. Many of whom are giving their lives for our Kingdom and the glory of Jesus Christ among the nations. I disagree with your arguments, and thats fine, but I'm really disturbed by your attitudes and find them sinful. You may disagree with the way others go about obeying Jesus, but have some respect for and show love and grace. To laugh, scoff, mock, and deride others who disagree is not helpful. Let's make sure we remember we are on the same side, and disagree in love with a desire to build one another up, being led by God's Spirit to edify one another. I personally was not edified or encouraged by this, regardless of the critique. There are enough attacks on the family of God, let's make sure the arrows come from the front, and not the back. Blessings to you both and may God shine his face on you and advance the cause of Christ through you.
Here's exactly what's being taught in these circles: th-cam.com/video/UEMyaPretPE/w-d-xo.html