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Yes totally agree, I was fitted for Mizuno 923 only bought 7-PW but use as 6-9 iron & added 48 deg wedge. I already had Ping 4&5 hybrids and 5 wood (set as 4W) and 7 wood, works great covering everything from 160-220 yards with great descent angles. So easy to hit and great for recovering my botched drives.
Great video, really enjoyed that, Mizuno really have found the magic with the Max range, I'm convinced they'll go in my bag before I even go for a demo/fitting... It's just finding the best place to get fitted in the south east of England.
Going somewhere to get honestly fitted with an unbiased golfers first approach not sales is difficult to say the least. Try to go somewhere where there is a paid for fitting and preferably non refundable if any sales are made it at least gives hope that the sales made isn't profit driven and is more likely to be golfer driven. We live in hope that the money from the fitting paid goes to the fitters wages rather than the fitter being incentivised from commission on the sale also. Money is a terrible thing sometimes 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut you've summed it up right there, heard some really bad stories from people that have gone to the likes of American Golf for the very reason you've stated above. Do you do fittings/sales?
@The-OC I used to do only that, full time Coaching and Custom Fitting, but have stepped back since moving to TH-cam full time. Also I need a facility (where I was previously has since closed due to housing development) where they value choice and give as many options as possible for the golfer to try. I have thought about trying to vet places around the UK to give the many requests I get for fitting, places to go that will look after them the right way..... Unfortunately shall I say its seemingly extremely difficult to find places which don't confuse fitting with profit 😕👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut it is a minefield for the public, there needs to be like a trust the trader site for golf equipment fitting / sales. Keep up the great content, it's always really helpful, I'm looking forward to the Mizuno max hybrids video.
Great content once again Jay. With your swing and ball striking ability I think you could still play a 2 iron!! I’ve settled on a 3w at 14.5 a 7w at 20.5 and 3 hybrid turned down 1 degree to 18 ( guess the manufacture!?). The hybrid is a fairway chaser in dry/windy conditions and my go to on dodgy lies which I get plenty of. I also love it having a shorter shaft. Some decisions at the top end of the bag are better made out on the course on grass and different lies I believe. It’s a confidence thing more than anything else. Mizuno are knocking out some great fairway woods no doubt. Keep up the great work mate!
Never had a real modern fairway wood, until my STZ 230 started to outperform my previous driver. Decided to go for a 5 wood st max because I felt really insecure whether I could hit it properly. Well, to all other potential buyers: do not worry, this thing has you covered. Dialed it back 1 degree to 17 for a better ball flight and to encourage me to fade it. So far it's the tee shots that were really impressive
@@AskGolfNut Yup, I'll let you know once the 5w start working consistently from the fairway too, I have a longer road ahead of me there because in my 25 years of playing golf I had never hit a wood between tee and green, still keeping the 3H in the bag for now...
Max 5 Wood, If you want an extra 10 yards, aim down the right and hit a slight pull draw and a tucked right side pin aim left and hit a high fade. I see a Mizuno in my future. Great review, as expected.
Great video, i carry a 3 hybrid and a 7 wood turned down 1.5 effectively to a 6 wood. They play the same distance but completely different flight, as i play a windy and hilly downland golf course, uphill 7 wood is fantastic, into the wind, 3 hybrid works great, as i have the space in my bag, both clubs serve a purpose. Lies in the rough and semi, both give me different options, so dependent on lie, and ground to be covered determines my club choice. Know your limitations with the clubs you carry, duplicated distance isn’t the full story.
I swing around the same speed as you and I binned my 7 wood last year. Great on a sim but once you see how high that ball flies with a little tug left or right and suddenly I wasn't so in love with it. lol
I'm seriously thinking about gaming the 5 wood though, chop out the 3 Hybrid and put the 5 wood in...... The 7 Wood can wait for a few more years of my body ageing and getting slower 😊👍🏻
I'll be going for an iron fitting today. Will need hybrids/woods and this just happened to pop up. Looking forward to your Mizuno hybrid reviews! Great job on the channel
Thanks very much for your kind feedback. Don't forget to let me know how the fitting goes, if its a Mizuno fitting, I'd be interested to hear your experience of the Swing DNA Analyser 👍
If you trust the fitting then I would wait til your clubs come in. Then go for a session where you hit your driver full warmed up so you can get a baseline distance, then hit your longest iron to see how large the gap is to fill, as always you are looking to fill the gap with as little clubs as possible for sensible and useful loft/distance gaps.... Remember that distance gaps can be bigger at the top of the bag and slightly less in the irons to wedges as you'll want much more distance control in the scoring side of the bag 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I never thought of it that way. Thank you so much for the advice! When will you be posting the Mizuno hybrid video? I'm looking forward to it
Hopefully Thursday.... Its a heavy editing video so it's taking me a long time to get all the data sets done as I've tested the hybrids against Fli Hi and 7 woods etc, even done the 6H at 27 degrees against my 27 degree 5 iron to see the flight differences 👍🏻
I am ditching my 4 hybrid and 3 UW for 5 & 7 woods. I just have not decided which ones! More and more I talk with guys doing the same thing. Would love to see a "best 5 or 7 wood" between several of the best ones. One of the problems is finding them to try at golf shops. Generally, they have 1 or 2 - 5 woods to hit and if you're lucky 1 - 7 wood to try. I tend to see them in a Ping but I don't love Ping long clubs.
5 and 7 wood options are very hard to come by because still golfers don't adopt the obvious benefits for reaching out into those types of clubs. Unfortunately until the trend changes Pro Shops and even main retailers won't risk stocking demo equipment that they won't get the use from ☹️👍
The X is designed to be slightly draw biased or atleast add a little draw curvature (tilt axis) to mainly help the guys that fade their woods. I would say that moving to the Max Woods, they are much more neutral in the bias and more forgiving as well. If you like to play 7 woods and you find the draw biased X going too far left, then the Max will be a much better fit 👍
Thanks. Yes. I have and it is a little better. Added some tape to the toe. Unlike my 5 wood that is straight or could go left. The 7 is more can it go straight and can go left. I always wanted one and for the flight is higher than my hybrid. @@AskGolfNut
If I can find them here, I'm testing them! This has to rival my g430 max but certainly beat it out in sound 😅 Wish I never got rid of my stz 3 wood...loved that thing.
My STZ 3 wood works incredibly well, so considering the Max for added stability, need to test more but it definitely helps when I'm not having a good strike day that's for sure 👍🏻
I'm testing out an old school 7w, 9w, 11w just to see if there's a possibility of changing over. But straight away I'm loving the height and the stopping power. Much better for us old timers than anything more than a 6i. I'm thinking there might be a reason to stop selling sets of 4/5i to W in the future and order 7 to GW as standard makeup.
I think that with the continued push for stronger lofted sets, 7 to PW will soon be the recognised set of irons 😊😊 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻
Hiya, I use 2 hybrids 22+30 degrees and they work quiet well. I'd like to ask can I remove a iron adapter from a MP18 6 iron Demo head, I use the shaft in a 921 Demo flihi 7iron and have 2 Mizuno shafts I'd like to try in the MP18 6iron ?? Appreciate your help and watch your utube channel on my TV mostly and enjoy your clubs reviews in particular when you slow your swing speed, cheers Colin..
I would absolutely suggest going to a Mizuno Fitter that utilises the Swing DNA Analyser, its a wonderful tool that cuts down the optimal shaft selection time hugely. All golfers load in transition differently so will need different bend profiles to maximise flight and consistency 👍
Hi Jay, when comparing the ST-Z 230 and the St230 Max fairway woods, do you see a difference in the face offset? I found the St-Z and 230 Max hybrids to be quite different in that regard. Thanks!
I'm surprised you didn't note that your (mild) lefts were likely caused by the face being closed. You said that you increased the lofts to as high as they can go, which will shut the face by as many degrees. So if you add 2 degrees of loft then you will be draw biased.
The mild lefts were predictable and also as you say quite mild for the distance, easily overcome with a touch of aim difference. Generally a miss with my current woods means a right miss which is bigger than the left miss with these, so on balance I'd be gaining 👍🏻
I've always added loft in delivery of the 3 wood due to trying to get the ball to have a functional flight, it doesn't happen with my irons wedges etc 👍
It's to do with a certain wrist angle releasing into impact even though I'm not finished on the downward arc of the swing. I'd bore you with the detailed explanation 🤣
Personally indifferent, but these are designed to run along side them to give the golfer who is looking for forgiveness as their primary reasoning, a different option that just going straight to a Ping who have always been known as the kings of forgiveness due to their heavier head design and counterbalanced shafts to offset the design 👍
thx! that makes sense. I defer to the ping g430 max woods (and own the 5w), so just wanted to know if I'd be gaining something moving to the mizuno, but happy to know a change isn't necessary because my wallet needs a break :) @@AskGolfNut
Really great video, thanks for the content! Mizuno have come a long way in their woods haven't they! Side note, when will the 223 v 243 video come out? Anxiously awaiting :-)
Very soon! Been frantically trying to get the content out. It takes an awful long time to do the reviews (longer than people think with all the different things tested, forgiveness etc) so hopefully be early next week 👍
@@AskGolfNut Drivers are way too big in my eyes. Have stz 3 & 5 woods. 5 wood looks far to big behind the ball imo. Used to have Titleist 975f 5 wood which was half the size.
Transition earlier with higher lofted hybrids and fairway woods. For every golfer its only a matter or time before the transition has to happen, generally for all golfers they leave it too late. I don;t use a 4 iron and use a 4 hybrid so most golfers could quite easily transition earlier for a much more functional flight 👍
The Max was always going to be a 1 year life cycle club as it was released to fill a hole in the range of the 2 year life cycle ST230 series. Commonly with only 6 months now left some pro shops and accounts are concerned that with the coming months of darkness and less playing time what autum/winter brings, it's time to slim down the stock holding of a lot of items. Summer sales are quite usual, although this is normally only for shop stock and not for Custom orders... Shop stock is wallpaper so should stay on the shelf for as long as possible before being moved on at a discount. 👍🏻
Every club maker has MAX in the name these days. They better not be bringing out new club next year telling us its better if we have already bought a Max 😲😄
Mizuno’s marketing of these clubs are soo confusing. Quit introducing soo many models soo frequently. Just stop for at least 1yr and simply the line up Mizuno! Tks
Hi guys, DON'T FORGET To LIKE the Video and Comment Below, it helps the channel out no end with the lovely algorithm. Will absolutely try and answer as many Comments from you guys as possible 👍👍
Yes totally agree, I was fitted for Mizuno 923 only bought 7-PW but use as 6-9 iron & added 48 deg wedge. I already had Ping 4&5 hybrids and 5 wood (set as 4W) and 7 wood, works great covering everything from 160-220 yards with great descent angles. So easy to hit and great for recovering my botched drives.
Just got the ST Max Driver and the ST Max 5 wood on order brilliant clubs
Let me know how you get on with them 👍
@@AskGolfNut will do 👍
Great video, really enjoyed that, Mizuno really have found the magic with the Max range, I'm convinced they'll go in my bag before I even go for a demo/fitting...
It's just finding the best place to get fitted in the south east of England.
Going somewhere to get honestly fitted with an unbiased golfers first approach not sales is difficult to say the least. Try to go somewhere where there is a paid for fitting and preferably non refundable if any sales are made it at least gives hope that the sales made isn't profit driven and is more likely to be golfer driven. We live in hope that the money from the fitting paid goes to the fitters wages rather than the fitter being incentivised from commission on the sale also.
Money is a terrible thing sometimes 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut you've summed it up right there, heard some really bad stories from people that have gone to the likes of American Golf for the very reason you've stated above. Do you do fittings/sales?
@The-OC I used to do only that, full time Coaching and Custom Fitting, but have stepped back since moving to TH-cam full time. Also I need a facility (where I was previously has since closed due to housing development) where they value choice and give as many options as possible for the golfer to try.
I have thought about trying to vet places around the UK to give the many requests I get for fitting, places to go that will look after them the right way..... Unfortunately shall I say its seemingly extremely difficult to find places which don't confuse fitting with profit 😕👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut it is a minefield for the public, there needs to be like a trust the trader site for golf equipment fitting / sales.
Keep up the great content, it's always really helpful, I'm looking forward to the Mizuno max hybrids video.
@The-OC should be coming tomorrow at 15:30 👍🏻 👍🏻
Great content once again Jay. With your swing and ball striking ability I think you could still play a 2 iron!! I’ve settled on a 3w at 14.5 a 7w at 20.5 and 3 hybrid turned down 1 degree to 18 ( guess the manufacture!?). The hybrid is a fairway chaser in dry/windy conditions and my go to on dodgy lies which I get plenty of. I also love it having a shorter shaft. Some decisions at the top end of the bag are better made out on the course on grass and different lies I believe. It’s a confidence thing more than anything else. Mizuno are knocking out some great fairway woods no doubt. Keep up the great work mate!
Never had a real modern fairway wood, until my STZ 230 started to outperform my previous driver. Decided to go for a 5 wood st max because I felt really insecure whether I could hit it properly. Well, to all other potential buyers: do not worry, this thing has you covered. Dialed it back 1 degree to 17 for a better ball flight and to encourage me to fade it. So far it's the tee shots that were really impressive
Glad you are enjoying your new toy in the bag 😀👍
@@AskGolfNut Yup, I'll let you know once the 5w start working consistently from the fairway too, I have a longer road ahead of me there because in my 25 years of playing golf I had never hit a wood between tee and green, still keeping the 3H in the bag for now...
I bought the 3 and 5 woods four weeks ago, eff me they fly. Everyone at the club is asking what they are.
I play a 7 wood instead of a lower lofted hybrid. Works super well onto greens. Only downside is the distance loss in the wind.
Max 5 Wood, If you want an extra 10 yards, aim down the right and hit a slight pull draw and a tucked right side pin aim left and hit a high fade. I see a Mizuno in my future.
Great review, as expected.
Great video, i carry a 3 hybrid and a 7 wood turned down 1.5 effectively to a 6 wood. They play the same distance but completely different flight, as i play a windy and hilly downland golf course, uphill 7 wood is fantastic, into the wind, 3 hybrid works great, as i have the space in my bag, both clubs serve a purpose. Lies in the rough and semi, both give me different options, so dependent on lie, and ground to be covered determines my club choice. Know your limitations with the clubs you carry, duplicated distance isn’t the full story.
Similar for me, I still keep my Mavrik 3h next to my new St max 5w. From rough or into the wind the hybrid is just less risky
I swing around the same speed as you and I binned my 7 wood last year. Great on a sim but once you see how high that ball flies with a little tug left or right and suddenly I wasn't so in love with it. lol
I'm seriously thinking about gaming the 5 wood though, chop out the 3 Hybrid and put the 5 wood in...... The 7 Wood can wait for a few more years of my body ageing and getting slower 😊👍🏻
I'll be going for an iron fitting today. Will need hybrids/woods and this just happened to pop up. Looking forward to your Mizuno hybrid reviews! Great job on the channel
Thanks very much for your kind feedback. Don't forget to let me know how the fitting goes, if its a Mizuno fitting, I'd be interested to hear your experience of the Swing DNA Analyser 👍
@@AskGolfNut Fitted into P790's in stiff modus 105 5-pw. Not exactly sure where to start with hybrids and woods to fill out the bag.
If you trust the fitting then I would wait til your clubs come in. Then go for a session where you hit your driver full warmed up so you can get a baseline distance, then hit your longest iron to see how large the gap is to fill, as always you are looking to fill the gap with as little clubs as possible for sensible and useful loft/distance gaps.... Remember that distance gaps can be bigger at the top of the bag and slightly less in the irons to wedges as you'll want much more distance control in the scoring side of the bag 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I never thought of it that way. Thank you so much for the advice! When will you be posting the Mizuno hybrid video? I'm looking forward to it
Hopefully Thursday.... Its a heavy editing video so it's taking me a long time to get all the data sets done as I've tested the hybrids against Fli Hi and 7 woods etc, even done the 6H at 27 degrees against my 27 degree 5 iron to see the flight differences 👍🏻
Great video Jay. Any chance of a video comparing the ST-230z, ST-Max, and ST-G fairways equal lofts and same shaft?
I am ditching my 4 hybrid and 3 UW for 5 & 7 woods. I just have not decided which ones! More and more I talk with guys doing the same thing. Would love to see a "best 5 or 7 wood" between several of the best ones. One of the problems is finding them to try at golf shops. Generally, they have 1 or 2 - 5 woods to hit and if you're lucky 1 - 7 wood to try. I tend to see them in a Ping but I don't love Ping long clubs.
5 and 7 wood options are very hard to come by because still golfers don't adopt the obvious benefits for reaching out into those types of clubs. Unfortunately until the trend changes Pro Shops and even main retailers won't risk stocking demo equipment that they won't get the use from ☹️👍
Have a 5 wood and a recent 7 wood add. The 7 I cannot stop it from going left. It's designed that way I think. Its STX-220.
With the 7wd, have you played around with ball position to counteract the draw flight?
The X is designed to be slightly draw biased or atleast add a little draw curvature (tilt axis) to mainly help the guys that fade their woods. I would say that moving to the Max Woods, they are much more neutral in the bias and more forgiving as well. If you like to play 7 woods and you find the draw biased X going too far left, then the Max will be a much better fit 👍
Thanks. Yes. I have and it is a little better. Added some tape to the toe. Unlike my 5 wood that is straight or could go left. The 7 is more can it go straight and can go left. I always wanted one and for the flight is higher than my hybrid. @@AskGolfNut
If I can find them here, I'm testing them! This has to rival my g430 max but certainly beat it out in sound 😅
Wish I never got rid of my stz 3 wood...loved that thing.
My STZ 3 wood works incredibly well, so considering the Max for added stability, need to test more but it definitely helps when I'm not having a good strike day that's for sure 👍🏻
I'm testing out an old school 7w, 9w, 11w just to see if there's a possibility of changing over. But straight away I'm loving the height and the stopping power. Much better for us old timers than anything more than a 6i. I'm thinking there might be a reason to stop selling sets of 4/5i to W in the future and order 7 to GW as standard makeup.
I think that with the continued push for stronger lofted sets, 7 to PW will soon be the recognised set of irons 😊😊
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻
Great review, thanks Jay
Very helpful video, thank you!
For Comparison can yo post the distances yo hit your 5 and 7 wood and your 3 and 4 hybrids
I have a question…is there a calculation that would apply to your numbers and adapt them to more my swing which is slower (70-80 mph)? Thank you!
Hiya, I use 2 hybrids 22+30 degrees and they work quiet well. I'd like to ask can I remove a iron adapter from a MP18 6 iron Demo head, I use the shaft in a 921 Demo flihi 7iron and have 2 Mizuno shafts I'd like to try in the MP18 6iron ?? Appreciate your help and watch your utube channel on my TV mostly and enjoy your clubs reviews in particular when you slow your swing speed, cheers Colin..
What shaft would you recomend for us mere mortals with a slower swing speed for these fairways ?
I would absolutely suggest going to a Mizuno Fitter that utilises the Swing DNA Analyser, its a wonderful tool that cuts down the optimal shaft selection time hugely. All golfers load in transition differently so will need different bend profiles to maximise flight and consistency 👍
Hi Jay, when comparing the ST-Z 230 and the St230 Max fairway woods, do you see a difference in the face offset? I found the St-Z and 230 Max hybrids to be quite different in that regard. Thanks!
What shaft are you using... they look great will be trying them 👌
Hzrdus Green........... The HULK 😀
Love it. Thanks
Aren’t the woods all showing longer than standard shafts,,?>>>
I'm surprised you didn't note that your (mild) lefts were likely caused by the face being closed. You said that you increased the lofts to as high as they can go, which will shut the face by as many degrees. So if you add 2 degrees of loft then you will be draw biased.
The mild lefts were predictable and also as you say quite mild for the distance, easily overcome with a touch of aim difference.
Generally a miss with my current woods means a right miss which is bigger than the left miss with these, so on balance I'd be gaining 👍🏻
How is it you are showing up degrees loft on the 3 wood on trackman, striking downwards? Are you adding loft deliberately?
I've always added loft in delivery of the 3 wood due to trying to get the ball to have a functional flight, it doesn't happen with my irons wedges etc 👍
Meant 20 degrees loft
@@AskGolfNutI had no idea... I had always thought shaft lean to some degree (other than driver) was the plan.
It's to do with a certain wrist angle releasing into impact even though I'm not finished on the downward arc of the swing. I'd bore you with the detailed explanation 🤣
how do these compare to Ping G430 max 3wood, 5wood, etc.? Which would you prefer or indifferent?
Personally indifferent, but these are designed to run along side them to give the golfer who is looking for forgiveness as their primary reasoning, a different option that just going straight to a Ping who have always been known as the kings of forgiveness due to their heavier head design and counterbalanced shafts to offset the design 👍
thx! that makes sense. I defer to the ping g430 max woods (and own the 5w), so just wanted to know if I'd be gaining something moving to the mizuno, but happy to know a change isn't necessary because my wallet needs a break :) @@AskGolfNut
Really great video, thanks for the content! Mizuno have come a long way in their woods haven't they! Side note, when will the 223 v 243 video come out? Anxiously awaiting :-)
Very soon! Been frantically trying to get the content out. It takes an awful long time to do the reviews (longer than people think with all the different things tested, forgiveness etc) so hopefully be early next week 👍
@@AskGolfNut I'm sure they do take a lot of time, they're the most comprehensive reviews online! Thanks for the quick response
Maybe use the 3w instead of driver?🤔
Head looks big enough😎
The driver still has the advantage in distance for sure..... 😊 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Drivers are way too big in my eyes. Have stz 3 & 5 woods. 5 wood looks far to big behind the ball imo. Used to have Titleist 975f 5 wood which was half the size.
@petemajor4454 things have certainly moved on..... Defo large enough now... 😊
Another idea would be....... Does the 3 wood head fit on the driver shafts 😊😊
@@AskGolfNut Might give it a try 😁
Any recomedations for us mere mortals with a slower swing speed ?
Transition earlier with higher lofted hybrids and fairway woods. For every golfer its only a matter or time before the transition has to happen, generally for all golfers they leave it too late. I don;t use a 4 iron and use a 4 hybrid so most golfers could quite easily transition earlier for a much more functional flight 👍
Why are these on such a steep discount after being released around 6 months ago???
The Max was always going to be a 1 year life cycle club as it was released to fill a hole in the range of the 2 year life cycle ST230 series.
Commonly with only 6 months now left some pro shops and accounts are concerned that with the coming months of darkness and less playing time what autum/winter brings, it's time to slim down the stock holding of a lot of items.
Summer sales are quite usual, although this is normally only for shop stock and not for Custom orders... Shop stock is wallpaper so should stay on the shelf for as long as possible before being moved on at a discount. 👍🏻
Every club maker has MAX in the name these days. They better not be bringing out new club next year telling us its better if we have already bought a Max 😲😄
I think they should all call them......... Max well for now anyways 😂👍👍
@AskGolfNut Well, I'm not buying anything until someone brings out the new AI Max MOI speed draw sub zero QI10 carb-tanium hot face driver...
@MyFoxworld next January then 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mizuno’s marketing of these clubs are soo confusing. Quit introducing soo many models soo frequently. Just stop for at least 1yr and simply the line up Mizuno!
Tks