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If you're still confused about some of the terms used in videos like MAR or 1 Circle 2 Circle Please watch this earlier video where we explain these Concepts: th-cam.com/video/Biphq8Bqe7I/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=GrowlingSidewinder
Hey GS, please zoom in more on text in the tack view (parameters likes g, speed turn rate, mach num). It's pretty much illegible on mobile screen.
The 7’s seem to perform better than the 120s for the hornet.
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Rule No 1 in a dogfight. Never fight someone with a better paint job on their jet.
Definitely right
“Im safe, splash 1 bandit” GS
nothing beats the Nagase paint job on the F-2A from Ace Combat Assault Horizon
Word
Lesson learned from the Flying Tigers.
GS your tach view was very important especially in these BVR fights thanks.
The weird part is that the AIM-120 like other big missiles uses a proximity fuze. It doesn't have to physically it the target and the explosive cone will shred the target rather than relying on an impact. Despite it being a few feet behind the enemy aircraft it should have detonated.
3:27 GS : "I can see him visually"
Me : I can't even see where he is....
Same. I haven't a clue what's going on but I'm enthralled nonetheless.
He has a huge monitor and better resolution than we see in the video
Thank you for BVR again
Hi Mike, do you mind telling me what is BVR? Am new to DCS and am still catching up the terms used here..😀 thanks
@@Elicver Sure no problem my friend. BVR stands for "beyond visual range" and describes the long range air to air combat beyond 15 nautical miles
@@Mike_Romeo thank you for taking time to reply. That’s cool..👍😊
I discovered your channel about 6 months ago.
Been watching almost every jet fighter video.
Love the content and keep it up!
2v2 or 4v4 BVR fight would be awesome.
I think he has a 4vs4 the f15 vs the Chinese j10 I think.
@@Robert53area yes, 2 Japanese F-15 vs 4 Chinese J-10
He also did 2 Raptors vs 2 Flanker D's
Thanks for the BVR vid. I would like it if you explained more where you are reading the sensor information from the displays in the fight. ie - where is it showing the range to target. The target high. Etc
It's like you guys have read my mind. I have spent the past few days researching this, but you guys do a great job at this. BVR is something i have been trying to work on recently. Much appreciated!
glad you found it useful man.
@@GrowlingSidewinder i find it useful* lol
@@justinthomas85 lol I'm going to blame that on auto correct. edited it tho lol sorry about that .
Another tip would be to reduce your throttle when cranking and then increase when skating, my time in the Tomcat has taught me merging is never really a good idea, reduce throttle, reduce closure, stick to your BVR timeline of sanitize -> meld -> engage -> crank -> skate -> recommit and repeat and youll avoid a merge very well.
Another note would be to not crank in one direction, if he launches again while you crank, that missile is gonna cut you off and kill you easy, crank left and right before skating
These training and explanation engagements are great. Going through past videos and saving the ones that really explain things. :)
I feel like those last 2 amraams that he launched at you should of track even if it can't hit you.
Hope they fix it.
I've watched all your BVR videos, know all the terms and tactics. I still watch these 'beginner' videos, though.
I'm glad BVR fights are back. Dogfights are exciting but the long range duels are tense.
Loving the absolute barrage of content lately i really like the IL2 stuff
OMG I was watching a video of two Tom cats shooting down some mig-23 and I found where you got your intro from, I came straight here to share my incredible findings. 🙃
Just won my first BVR fight with this video, thanks bro
I love that Canadian F18 Demo Skin! Great breakdown.
Hornet vs Hornet: It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot
That S-turn GS's second-to-last AMRAAM did was a result of P/N guidance in the terminal phase and the turn reversal that the other Hornet did. I think the miss was a result of the missile going at ~1.2 mach just not quite having the G available for the intercept, maybe combined with DCS's goofy implementation of proximity fusing.
🔥 Hornet of the North!
Hope we will see more BVR and dynamics fight later on this channel, love your vids bud !
Just wanna say I love the hornet livery on the thumbnail!
Thanks for making this. It is very detailed and informative!
i had no idea missiles ran out of juice I thought the engine would be on the whole time till impact, I guess it makes sense they coast the final part of there range instead of instantly stopping duh.
Drinking game: Take a shot everytime he says MAR.
"A skill you will lose over time" *remembers video uploaded on the second channel*
Can we see some bvr action with you in a Sukhoi vs the f35?
Hi GS, am new to DCS and its obvious am still catching up knowing the terms used here and apreciate all of the youtubers for sharing your experties, this motivates and help me a lot to emerse this kind of gaming. Do you mind telling me how do you do the tactical view? Is there separate software for this or is it within the DCS system? Thanks
HI there, glad to hear you're finding the videos useful, tacview is a 3rd party application that plugs into DCS (and other flight sims) you can find it here: www.tacview.net/product/about/en/
@@GrowlingSidewinder thank you so much for your quick reply. Yes I do find your videos helpful and I enjoy watching them. I really want to learn and feel the hype of flying those planes. I only have FA-18 C Hornet for now and being a novice I still have a lot of things to learn. Am already your subscriber and your videos gets me excited to play DCS. Do you have tutorial videos for the Hornet? Please send me the links and I will really appreciate it. Am your avid fan and am hoping to join you someday on a mission.🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊
0:59 missile LOST.
That's exactly what happens to me all the time. But how does he keep it tracking after it's already lost?!
The Red Baron of digital sky.
Modern Dogfighting Enthusiasts: There's no skill in contemporary combat, it's all computer guided fire and forget missiles!
GS: . . . and this is how you outrun missiles while still firing off your own.
Great video! Love to see the BVR lessons. Keep them coming, please.
Best tactical wiew I ever seen
Do you find BVR more or less intense than a traditional dogfight?
Dogfights but lets just say a BVR fight get intsenser as closer you get to the enemy.
BVR, especially if the bandit has FOX 3s on its side, since those only give warnings when the seeker activates.
GS, could you maybe let us know what the acronyms (mar, stt, et al.) mean the first time you use them in the Tac View? If you say it at the beginning then use the acronym going forward it would be easier to understand the briefing. I know you have explained them before but the newbies or those of us with less then great memories would appreciate it. thx.
Hi man, these terms are often used in all my videos I think it gets annoying for people if in every video I explain the same thing over and over again that is why I have a video in the pinned comment where all of those terms and more are explained, I hope you will find that video useful.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Thanks for the quick response. To clarify, I'm not asking for a description but what the acronym stands for. Ex: instead of saying MAR, say minimum abort range the first time then MAR from then on out. Most of the Acronyms are self explanatory if the viewer knows what they stand for. Make sense? 😁
BTW, I re-watched the vids explaining terms but still don't know what stt means. Maybe I missed it?
@@myplane150 single target track
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GreaT video.. wud like more on notching missles.. when to turn when you are safe from it.. etc..
this livery is awesome
Nice video!! I have two questions:
1) When you fired the missile at 14:22 you turned instantly cold. How did you know that the missile didn't need any more guidance? Was it pitbull instantly because of the 6.7nm distance?
2) Do you have a video where you explain all the terminology (like MAR etc.), too?
Best regards.
yes, at those ranges the missiles comes off the rail active, and yes the video you are looking for is linked in the pinned comment.
Could you do a video on BVR in the Tomcat? I think alot of people would find that useful
i love bvr dude is so awesome
😂🤣😂 you just had to draw the balls @ 16:54
Great video, but where did you get the Canadian F18 skin from? , As its pretty cool 😎
Hey sidewinder, you seem to really like DC'S, have you ever tried the game simple planes? If not id love for you to go in and test some of the planes and even build your own fighter
He has a lot videos with the simpler FC-3 planes. All you have to do is going through his video list.
Is it smart to go into a BVR fight when your aircraft is painted bright red?
well, it IS "beyond visual range" lol so technically you should be fine.
@@GrowlingSidewinder but his visibility was less than you. Since that you saw him at one point during the engagement, he must have seen you way earlier.
I guess you are so good that you can afford to fight in ridiculous colors.
@@bastadimasta The Radar is what sees for you not your eyes in BVR
With the amount of videos I’ve watched, I’d I could afford to play DCS I’m sure I could be half decent at it ! 🤣
I can say the same. The only thing I dont know is working the bottoms on the plane.
CF-18 skins = 🔥
The hornet is the sexiest looking plane ever made. Before the su57…
How wide is the radar beam cone of Aim120? I assume it is fixed antenna and not gimbal? To me it seems this missile in 15:15 just started tracking, turned at the target and then corrected for lead but could not pull that tight anymore. I wonder how quickly Aim120s guidance computer can actually calculate correct lead after it's radar locks target?
At least 120s are not fixed array or antenna,
I know that this is an old video but what did you fire there as your first missile (fox 3) I'm learning the f-18c just now. Was it an AMRAAM?
Nice LO paint job :P
So what is the pitbull range of an AIM120 near the deck? I'm asking because, if you destroyed the aircraft that was painting you for that Fox 3, would it immediately go pitbull, or would it not track if it, say, had a predetermined distance to target before pitbull(ing).
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I miss the TacViews for BVR fights..
I miss these vids...
At 2:33 you can see the first missile fired at GS impact the ground, just as the camera changes focus from GS's missile to GS's jet.
correct and we can see the replay in tacview also.
BVR GANG!
Can you do missle pov from your wing to the other jet?
Like to see f-22 in bvr
Can you explain what cold and hot means and why it effects the missile?
It seems like hot and cold as a concept are useful at the intermediate range, where a missile could maneuver well assuming you continued towards it, but can be out run if you turn around, hence why he approaches from the gimbal limit to reduce his turn time.
If you're too close, you can't outrun a missile, but you can deny its maneuvers by jamming the wez.
If you're too far, the missile has plenty of distance to maneuver, but you can kill its momentum by forcing maneuvers early in its unpowered approach (cranking).
As I said though I'm not an expert. I've only played the Ace Combat and IL-2 series xD This is just based on what I gleaned from watching 8 hours of this channel today .-.
@@nightlight0x07cc the things you explained i did "understand", al though after your spelling it out, its as lot cleare to me. I guess my question is just really really basic.
But whats the difference between hot and cold? Its not weather you use the afterburner or not is it? I gather the missiles use radar lock not heat.. pardon if i am asking a really stupid question xD
Can you teach how to do multiple target bvr engagements
wow... i didnt know the FA18 can only do ~mach 1 at 30,000
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if that was a F14.... it would be mach 1.4+
and in a F15.... id be at 45,000+ doing mach 1.9......
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hell.... even the mig21 is faster up their!
Hey gs, just got the winwing Libra and Taurus hotas, could you post your control profiles somewhere?
How Can you keep the radar lock? My radar always loses lock even when im just flying straight and level.
How do you maintain such high speeds while defending? (even in the hornet)
always stay in afterburner and also go easy on your stick don't pull too hard for nose position, nice gentle stick movements this will help you maintain the speed.
@@GrowlingSidewinder I've been trying that and its helped a lot! thx :D
Complete noob here: is it necessary to maintain lock during cranking when using amraams?
maintaining lock will give you a much better probability of kill, the whole point of the crank is to maintain a gimbal lock so if you don't plan to do that, its better to just forget about the crank in the first place, theres no reason to be in the crank with no lock.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Thanks, man
I guess the DCS pilots you shot down gave this video a thumbs down? Lol. Great video and breakdown.
im like kinda new to BVR and stuff and I was wondering what does MAR mean?
Didn't want to be that guy who asks the name of the song but here i go: name of the song that plays at tacview, please? I know it's not darude sandstorm by the way
Oh Canada 🍁 🇨🇦
Gs, question how do you maintain lock on f18? Every time i fly it i lose the lock all the time
Same here
I use to have this issue but ED said they fixed it, but I go into TWS mode, and then lock the dude and I put the elevation thing into auto (right side of the radar screen) by default I think its in manual, and then I try to do slow controlled movements no jerky shit, I find I can maintain the lock well under these circumstances. (if you lose lock and need to manually adjust elevation to look for him, make sure to set your elevation back to manual)
@@GrowlingSidewinder thanks GS will try
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Link to the skin pls & ty :)
Hi Guys, can anyone tell me what “MAR” means?
What's Mar?
Minimum abort range. The range where you cant outran a missile.
FOX-3rd
New aim120 update really nerfs them
F22 vs Mig 31
What is the MAR? Sorry if I missed it.
Minimum abort range
@@GM-fh5jp thank you
Linked and explained in the pinned comment brother
@@GrowlingSidewinder Ah the one place I'd never look lol
Yo I need that Canada 150 skin where is it
its in the sim already, just choose canada as your country
I did but no there
@@lancer1686 its there man, its always been there, under mission editor set your hornet as Canadian and then you can change the skin to the red one you see here.
@@GrowlingSidewinder yo thanks so much keep up the good work
I love how the Hornet designers saved money by getting a pissed off Waffle House server to give the “Altitude!” warning instead of a high-priced voice actor …
That's a CF-18 lol
what is going cold?
Tail of your aircraft is pointed towards the bandit
Correct but a better way to say it is “nose away” from bandit
WTF??? DCS screwed up AMRAAM again! 😒
Yes I know what you mean by Mar and going cold I don't need that explained at all ..... not
yeah wtf does that mean
@@JohnDoe-yq9rt so I found out MAR is minimum abort range so the closet you can get and still run away and going cold is just running away or the enemy is headed away from you
early
same
If you’re aim is to explain things to newbies, don’t drown them in acronyms and in-house jargon. BVR, STT(?), gimbal limit, crank, MAR, WEZ, once circle, two circle, scissors, foxes, etc….these should all be explained in clear terms at least when you first mention them.
That’s terminology, this is a tactics video. Those are prerequisites for understanding THIS video, the video you’re referring to is linked above in the pinned comment.
ww2 videos are better
in YOUR opinion. (very important distinction)
i actually like the BVR stuff
Although BVR definitely isn't nearly as exciting as BFM/dogfighting IMHO, I think its a lot more important. As someone relatively new to DCS world, I really appreciate you making these videos going over the tactics of a BVR. Its a massive help!
Personally I disagree. Having a missle flying at your face and having to fly directly towards it to get a good solution is scary and exciting af
@@ImperiumLibertas very true, I watched his f-15 vs f-16 bvr video recently and it was so fun to watch
That CF-188 sesquicentennial livery is beautiful!
Agreed, it is amazing, looks like the russian knights
Ok listen boys I saw the real cf18 with that livery it was amazing and I need to know were I can get it for my hornet in dcs
@@lancer1686 Its stock
I guess I never really thought about just keeping them in gimbal limit on the deck to reduce the turn time, of course I never really have done many bvr engagements
I usually base my cranking amount by looking at my radar and positioning the target on the very edge of the radar cone. That way you know exactly how much your limit is and drag the incoming missile the most you can.
0:33 "off the nose aboot" Definitely Canadian.
Lol damn it I hate when I say aboot
at least back in the 2.0 days..... the aim7 was WAY better when chasing someone down that was running away
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it would EASILY out range the aim 120 when the target is cold
the 120 kinda relies on your own speed.... and the targets speed (aka, closure rate)
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while the 7 is like "lol, my motor burns long as fuck boi"
like.... if he shot an aim7 VS that very last 120 (and lived to give it tracking)........ that aim7 probably could have chased you down and got ya
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i kinda remember like 5 mile 120 cold shots doing nothing...... but the aim7 would be JUST coming off motor about 1 or 2 seconds before impact
Damn, the hornet looks incredible in red!
Using half the Canadian AMRAAM inventory in this video.
Whats A-Pole range on AMRAAMs in DCS?
Also going out inside MAR is a good way to take a missile up the butt. Why are you so confident doing that so many times? Just curious the DCS numbers and what you're using for a lowalt AIM-120 MAR.
Edit: oh youre offsetting, making it harder for him to put you on CATA and get a full WEZ.
As a new player, like the one who gets hit in the face trying to do this.. I try and use your awesome information to avoid said situations, so thank you. Unfortunetly, I get TWS locked, and can't pick him up outisde of 40km where he already has an 120 in the air, I figure this out just based off distance, and half way into my turn im getting blasted, also I'm not getting IFF info as it comes back as unknown l lot of the time, and it doesn't help at all that they are using ECM so it's really hard to keep trying to lock them, keeping them at gimble limits, figuring out how close the missle is and when it was fired as even pitbul warning goes off later than I know what to do with it, if I do I'm usually too far away for a fox 2 and stuggling between keeping him locked if I even get a chance to lock him, and do missle calculations based off of what I've already learned, Hope this becomes second nature. I, as welll as a lot of newer players still really have issues with how far the radar can actually spot contacts painted by awacs, much less lock them up past 60km.. that and i've seen you guys at 40/50km going over 300knts.. the highest I could get in the hornet was 40 and the f16 43 was it's ceiling. before losing all it's speed and manuverability, making it pretty much useless in any type of real engagement.