FULL Size Hay Baler, Subcompact Tractor, John Deere 1025R!
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- Not seen before on TH-cam! Full size square hay baler being ran by a John Deere 1025R subcompact tractor. Hobby farmers take note! Tractor Time with Tim and Matt use a John Deere 327 hay baler to bale his hay field.
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My youth was spent pulling a new holland baler behind a Massey 165. I loved that tractor and my uncle still has it. He had three daughters and so I would spend all of my time helping him farm because my dad didn't have any tractors. He lived down the road from me and from the time I was about 12 I would ride my minibike there and help him farm all day. As I got older I got to drive the Ford 9700 and plough and disc and cultivate. My uncle is still here and 40 years later I am still helping him farm a bit when I can. I am going to his place today actually to get my deer stands set up for bow season that starts next month. What great memories you brought up, Tim. I think the kids of today are getting a disservice not having to bale square bales of hay. The old barns were better equipped for it, and the round bales seem like a fair bit of wastage.
Oohhh the memories of blistered hands and sweaty brows from putting up hay on my Uncle's dairy farm when I was a young teen. Thousands of bales into the loft. The shower at the end of the day always felt good. We pulled a wagon behind the baler and stacked the bales on it. The wagon was hauled to the barn and the bales were unloaded onto an escalator and moved up to the loft where we stacked the bales. Eventually they purchased a baler with a thrower that tossed the bales onto a wagon with high steel cage walls.
A knotter story on an old JD 24T baler... Never, ever, EVER remove a link from the roller chain that drives an old knotter! Im my case, the chain was loose, and I figured it wouldn't hurt to remove a link to tighten it up. Giant mistake! That shortened chain completely changed the timing of the entire knotter mechanism. It seemed to work, right up until when the knotter tripped to start tying a bale and shot the twine needles up into the bale chamber JUST as the plunger was coming forward to compress the next bale flake! Luckily the baler had a safety mechanism that lifts some plunger stops up as the needles come up. These caught the plunger, which immediately stopped by breaking the shear bolt on the flywheel that drives the plunger. Took a while, and some knowledge gained from an old JD mechanic, to realize my mistake and correct it. Life lesson learned!
Seems like I remember something like that happened on a old new Holland bailer we ran when I was a kid. But pretty sure ours snapped the needles off in the process.
The number of chain links has nothing to do with the timing. What WILL affect the timing is chain stretch, but that is not an insurmountable problem.
Got to say I’m very impressed. That little Tractor 🚜 deserves an 🥇 award.
Tim, for future reference, one of the most critical adjustments on the knotter is the location of the twine needles as the come up though the bale chute into the knotter frame. I owned a custom baling business as a teenager and custom baled hay for years. I ran a JD 336. The needles need to just barely rub the knotter frame during the tying cycle. This assures the twine is placed squarely in the twine disc notches before they rotate. If the twine misses the notches in the twine discs the billhooks will pull the twine away from the disc assembly thus creating a “dropped” knot (as we used to say). It’s very frustrating when a customer sees all these busted bales laying around in his field. Creates a lot of extra work for the crew too. An old timer taught me this trick and he cussed me out when I explained that the operator’s manual doesn’t describe the needle adjustment that way. He said, “Do you want to follow that manual or do you want your knots to tie every time?” We were having a though time getting through the season so I tried it. Fixed it immediately! Never had to worry about it again. Experience trumps technical manuals a fair share of the time. As a Hoosier farm boy growing up in the ‘60s I appreciate your videos and insight. I own a 1025R too. Love it! Blessings my friend!
I am a retired city slicker. I never knew how bales were made. The amount of knowledge, problem solving skills and complex dangerous machinery farmers have is staggering. You have my respect!
Thanks Jack! Glad you are getting to see the problem solving skills aspect. This is the most amazing part in my opinion. Farmers are typically very similar to mechanical engineers. Often more capable due to the wide variety of experiences they encounter.
I’m convinced that my dad could make ANYTHING work!
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I am a retired physician. I have always said. Farmers make the best patients. They could solve most problems on their own. I love your channel too! What farmers do should be required education!!!!
Memories, not sure good of all the square bales I tossed on our farm from our baler. Wanted to mention when I was a real small kid, the first baler I saw was one that used wire not string. Had seats on the back for someone to twist the wire in each bale. Finally got my 2025R to help me with chores in my older years. No farming any more but living on the old homestead. Your videos have really helped in setting up and using my tractor, a lot of good advice.
Love those old square bailers. Grew up running them for the farm across the street.
Across the street from Matt?
@@TractorTimewithTim LOL, no. In NY state.
Ah, memories... Spent several summers of my Colorado youth (mid/late 70s) "custom" haying upland hay fields (AKA low yield non irrigated) with a JD 1020, a JD sickle bar mower, a JD 3-pt roll bar rake, and a JD 24T small square baler. 'Course back then, there was no such thing as a big square baler, and I do not recall round balers even being a thing yet.
Nothing gets a teenager ready for football season like a summer hauling alfalfa square bales.
Pretty awesome when a design is so good it barely changes through decades.
I enjoyed visiting Mat - that is cool to small bail - many a person with a hose and need to feed it may not have anything but a pickup. Round bails are pain due to weight once home. Depends on the customer and their needs. Big operations need big and have big to tote and distribute. Thanks !
I love how you test what these small tractors are really capable of. Great informative video. I really like the explanation of how the baler works.
I pulled and baled hay with a Farmall Super C, when we farmed back in the 60’s
They had 20 hp at drawbar
Yep. Old tractors lacked horsepower but had multi-cylinder engines with flat torque curves to pull you through those loaded conditions. The weight of those large frame tractors was important so that the implement did not push the tractor around.
On the farm I use to work on we bailed square with a John Deere 1070. It had about 30hp but was quite bigger. It still got thrown around by the plunger. At the end of the day you could still feel it while sitting or standing. Like being on a boat, then getting on land.
Tim, you just answered so many of my questions. So grateful!
Pure magic watching that baler work. Thanks Tim.
WOWWWIEEE WOW!!! I would have never of dreamed about a 1025R would ever of pulled & worked a standard size bailer! Iam thouroughly impressed to say the least! It sure is a funny looking pair-----tiny john deere tractor pulls a standard size square baill bailer!!! If you were doing this all the time, i would be keeping an eye on the frame of the 1025R as well as the tranny/axle housing components for st4ess fractures!!! Perhaps i worry to much about these little, i dunno
We had a 235 Massey Fergison tractor that we used on our JD 336 & 337 john deere bailers. Good job Tim. Take care & God bless!!!
I'm glad you did this video. I've always wondered how a small tractor would handle a baler.
Howdy. In NY we call them needles that bring the string up to be tied by the knotter. We also called the sections of hay in the bale a wafer. Grew up on a dairy farm south of Syracuse. Tractor size for baling is about horsepower and weight. We had a hydraulic kicker on out JD baler and pulled a wagon around. We used a JD4020 and on hills you would not want anything smaller with a full wagon of hay. Great video.
I've always known a slice of hay from the bale as a "flake". Might be a regional thing.
In the late 1950's we had a John Deere 116 baler. The ram went from side to side which caused the baler to rock that way. This eliminated the surging feeling on the tractor. The problem was that the bales came out the side and had to turn to fall on the ground. In general, round balers are for persons that feed what they grow. Wrapped bales are sometimes left in the field until they are needed. Our use of square bales was because we sold the hay which required that it be stacked on trucks. Stacks waiting on the road side for pick up often resulted in some of the bales being stolen. While we later went to 3 wire tied bales that could often weigh 300 pounds or more but this still happened. The later development of the really large bales seemed to solve this issue but their use was limited to commercial feed lots. Sales of hay for horse owners seemed to be best served by smaller 2 wire bales.
There are several farmers in our area that do the square bales. In seeing the fields with those bales, it brings me back to my younger days. I never worked on a hauling crew due to my size. I always dreamed of me doing that. I bet you may still be shaking from that experience.
This video brought back a lot of memories of being on the farm. I think we had a New Idea or a New Holland. I can't remember. One think I do remember is trying to figure out how those knotters worked. I thought to myself that whoever came up with designing those knotters was someone pretty darn sharp. Thanks for sharing a day on the farm.
It's quite a complex system probably made as simple as possible but wow is all i can say
A very interesting thing about the knotters on a New Holland baler is that a brand new Hayliner uses the same knotter technology as the first models from decades ago.
Brings back memories! Helping our neighbors and uncle and cousins standing on the hay wagon stacking behind that chute stacking bales. Fun times in the middle of summer! Built character
Once again, never underestimate the might of the trusty 1025R. That was fun to see. (I never understood those knitters either). Blessings.
Thanks for the video! We have 10 acres that we will be moving to hay and I’ve been planning the equipment we would need to do so, glad to hear it can be done with something so small
I always wondered if it would work. Thanks for showing it! I knew it had enough hp, just was wondering about the weight. Now to hook up a wagon full of hay bales as well. Ha!
Very enjoyable video for me. Thank you for explaining and showing how the baler works. As others have said here, I also helped pick up bales in a hay field, but never knew exactly how everything worked. My Dad always preferred 40 -50 pound bales (me too)!
Back in my farming days, everyone used John Deere balers around me- just like this. They typically used a utility tractor to pull it, and most had the kicker on the back. I remember the one dairy farmer used his (then) new 2955 to bale with- because it had the cab with A/C! Those were in the 70 hp range, like a 5075E, but larger. Nice tractors. My neighbor growing up baled with a small Ford utility tractor- which he also plowed with! (they did have bigger tractors)
The one who didn't use a kicker had a wire tie model, and the 1/4 turn chute. He had a New Holland Stackcruiser to pick them up. Like you said, Tim- he packed those things as tight as he could. They were for sale to the horse tracks, who paid by the ton- so the more tonnage you could put on the truck... Busted my butt a few summers stacking those ones. He pulled his with a 120hp JD cab tractor (not sure of model). When stopped, it would rock the tractor back and forth, just like Johnny.
Nice video. A little correction in your comment. The hay is compressed in the bale chamber. Also it the needles go through the hay they break. The needles go through slots in the plunger.
Keep it up.
that thing did a really good job
Great video Christy with drone shots, close ups, and the failures. Good combination with the narration over the video to describe what is happening.
And I liked trying a 1025 on a 'real farm equipment' bailer
A large tractor would be rocked also when sitting still but once moving you wouldn’t feel it. Just could hear the engine in rhythm with the baler. We would hook a hay wagon behind the baler and another person would load the wagon on the go.
That was a great explanation on how bailers worked. It was good that you slowed down the knotting process, too, so that we could understand it better.
I've ran my 4115 on a new holland 68 and it does well for small, tight areas I need to bale, plus I've also cut hay with a new holland 479 haybine on 4 acres and it handled it just fine in low range and a steady feed of hay. I'm happy that you are seeing what these little tractors can do.
Master safety cutch on my #12 Massey small square baler is set at 14 HP for baler , tractor size depends on if pulling a hay rack. And size of hills being negotiated!
I love these episodes with Matt doing hay I worked a hay farm as a teenager a lot of work but it was a good group of guys and did we have fun Johnny pulled that baler pretty good And Tim looked like he was having fun makes me wish I had hay to bale great video
Yep. Having fun! Always enjoy working with Matt!
Love how every question that I would ask you answer thank you Tim
I'm surprised and impressed by the little Johnny.
Reminds me of the days when I used to walk behind the trailer or truck tossing those bales up to the stackers. It took a little while before I could get them up high enough so they didn't have to practically fall off grabbing them. Then there were the snakes and the mice in the bales that were so much fun to have pop up in your face. I guess you've proved that in a pinch the 1 series will do some farm work after all. Good job. Hay elevators were the most fun. :)
This was a very cool video idea. Lots of knowledge to gain from this one! Appreciate the effort putting this together.
I've woundered this for a couple years. Thanks
Great video. Your knowledge of farm equipment is amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Thank you Thank you. This is the BIGGEST question I had for my 1025R. I wouldn't even combine the wind rows. Then it wouldn't be picking up as much and I could go faster. I only have a few acres and a few animals so I might be on the hunt for a old used square baler now. Again, many Thanks TTWT.
We had a JOHN DEERE 24T with a stooker on the back of a FORDSON MAJOR. I could keep up with it for 8 hours a day.
Cool to watch! I would imagine the only issue would be pulling a hill or being pushed down one. With all the hills around our farm we use big tractors for safety.
Yeah that's the smart thing to do
Loved the video. 8N Ford’s pulled a lot of square bailers when I was growing up and other than weight pto power wasn’t that high.
This awesome to watch because I am looking at a baler for the start up of my farm. I didn’t know if my little Johnny would handle raking and baling.
Thanks Tim. We've always wondered if ours would run a baler. Now we know!
Nice work Tim, now let’s see you pull a hay wagon behind the bailer, and see if Johnny can pull the rig with a full load of hay bails on the wagon.
Hmm…maybe not :-)
Brings back memories when I was a kid. We baked with a Mcormick WD-9 and a case wire tie baker with a wisconsin motor. Dad always baled as heavy as possible so as to save wire. We also baked commercially.
What a relief it is to see this! My 3025e should be able to bale too!
Great video
I’m thinking about getting one of these square balers in the spring. I thought the 2038r would run it but I am surprised that the 1025r did
Great video. Got to see something I’d never seen done before.
Interesting video. I can remember moving many square bales when I was a kid.
we have a same baler but from the Company Welger its a AP42 with bale cannon its just amazing so simple of a machine :D and its normal when at the first past the Knotter isnt working its kinda adjusting since its just running once a year so that normal and if its stop knotting at mid through check the twine if its empty but normaly youre good to go
Another superb video, per your usual. Thank you! God bless.
We use a competitive 38hp tractor and a late 50s model John Deere 14T baler with great success (550 bales annually) twine string only. Single windrows are necessary in 3 ton / acre hay with a much narrower pickup attachment on the older baler. Winter tune up is available at the JD dealership if required at reasonable prices. Consistent volume of hay and proper bale chamber tension is essential. Remove all hay from baler before storage and we coat all internal wear surfaces with light oil or diesel. Saves a lot of headaches.
Great set up for a semi serious hobby farm.👍👌🇺🇸
Good job John Deere 1025R ! When we made bales a long time ago we used a Massey Ferguson 135 (47 hp) :)
Thanks for making this video! This was definately a question of mine.
I thought I was the only crazy person who baled hay with a compact tractor. I bale with a JD 346 pulled by a 20hp Mahindra
Tim I have to say I love the music in your intro and the truly does fit this channel I absolutely wonderful see you in the next video
This brings back suppressed memories from my younger days growing up. Dad had horses so we always seemed to have square bails. Bailing wasn't so bad but the loading and stacking in the SE Tennessee heat and humidity it was brutal. Let's not forget the times when a snake would get bailed. I still hate horses to this day, if it doesn't have a throttle I'm not interested. This would've been a good Halloween video. lol
Yea! Easy to romanticize some of this. It is HARD work when done at scale!
I baled hay as a teenager in Central IN. Our heat and humidity isn't much different than TN. It is a tough task no matter where one is even with tractors. At a penny and a half a bale, one didn't get rich for sure, but I got the extra half penny for loading behind the baler. The guys unloading and in the mow only got a penny. They could have offered me a quarter a bale to go up in the mow and I would have stayed on the wagon! Lol. My best day was loading 72 bales every 15 minutes. That was a perfect field...thick hay, flat as a pool table and the baler performed flawlessly. There were days I didn't get 200 bales all day due to breakdowns. One day I made zip because the baler was new and hadn't been timed properly at the dealer, but I enjoyed hanging out with my boss even if I wasn't making any money.
About 10 years ago, a farmer friend of mine was baling about 10,000 bales of straw a year and offering $10 an hour. He couldn't beg, borrow or steal enough help to get the job done. Granted, I heard horror stories from more than one source how ridiculous his expectations were, i.e. 2 breaks during a 10-14 hour day, but for 10 bucks an hour, I'd have worn two canteens of water and managed. My friend just gave up growing wheat all together and is now strictly corn and soybeans. He still can't find enough help. Lol
@@terrycastor8299 And it didn't kill us. I'd still rather be handling hay than sitting around playing video games. Everyone in the hay field was too tired to go shoot up the school.
@@turdferguson5300 , you're absolutely correct! Hard work never hurt anyone and it surely makes one appreciate wages for a job well done. It kept me in better shape than I realized too.
your content is so good, I definitely enjoy learning from you
This video triggered lots of old memories.
Very cool. Now I need a square baler too ;)
I was impressed, I wouldn't have thought a 1025 would handle that bailer so well. I suspect the 2038 would be marginally better, but I was surprised how well the 1025 did.
25 horse or 38 horse 38 would be much faster. I bailed many a bale with a j d B when I was teenager. B had I think 28 h p but weighs 4500 pounds. I still have the tractor I used from the early 60 s. I'm old now but the B still runs good.
I’ve been wondering if I could bale with the 755 for our future goat endeavors, this is the video I’ve been waiting for! Fantastic.
Keep us posted, I have an 855. Aside from some wiggling, I think it will work!
Compact and sub compact tractors can do more then most think. Thanks for the content.
Yep, the general rule of thumb is that HP buys speed, but if your willing to go slow, it doesn't take as much as you might think. Of course that's the whole purpose of Tim's website, showing what these little tractors can do. He does a good job of it.
This is pretty cool, I never thought such a small tractor could do this. You should however invest in a straw hat. I thought a ballcap would suffice, I was wrong. You don't want to go down the path I'm on, protect yourself.
That was a big surprise> Unreal>
Wow. Impressive, ingenious, and interesting!
We had one of those JD balers bought new back then. More cuss words and crescent wrenches were beat on those knotters than any other piece of equipment on the farm. It seems like when you are haying that you are only ever six hours away from a rainstorm spoiling the hay and the knotters get finicky because they sense the change in atmospheric pressure. Most often we baled with an Oliver 50HP 880 but after that went down stripping transmission gears while picking corn for a neighbor we used the 35HP Ferguson to fill in on baling duty (it surged/"lunged" too). You might get a 20HP Ford 8N to run the baler since you had the JD 1025R, but we only had the bigger Fergusons.
The biggest issue with the 8n for baling, as with so many other tractors, is the lack of a live PTO to keep the baler rocking but stop forward motion in varying windrows.
Cool to see you try this, but growing up I was the guy in the haymound, not as much fun as you think it might be.Kind of bringing back a lot of memories, and I'm 40 we had a new Holland square baler and 1085 Massey pulling it, didn't need to work out after doing hay for a week or 2👍
I bale hay with an old 8n ford pulling a new holland 271. It does good, when we first got the baler going we hooked it to a yanmar 1550 tractor that was 15hp on the engine and it baled but we didn't want to use it on hills mainly from a weight perspective.
Incredible! We had the same baler with a kicker, hooked to a JD 7400 and you could feel the plunger on a tractor that size as well. Sweet setup for a hobby farm
Was about to comment something similar. On a tractor at the 4000 kg mark and a trailer behind, if still yanks it and standing still it's noticeable. And that is a "small" square baler, Welger AP 41, bale canal is 30x40 cm only, baler weights just under 1000 kg by itself (the top of the line Lely Welger AP830 nowadays is around 2000 kg).
been curious about this for a long while. thanks
Great video and even better plug at the end.
Great job
Our square bailer used wire. If something else on the farm needed fixed dad would say "go get a piece of bailing wire". So glad when we went to the Hesston stacker. Our round bailer used twine.
Impressive thanks Larry
That hay looks like it got rained on. I wouldn't try to pull a wagon behind that baler when you've got that tiny little tractor out front.
I actually think Johnny handled it pretty well Tim👍👍
I'd love to see how this tractor could handle this type of bailer with a kicker on it.
Watched your video very good. By the there are slots in the plunger that protect the needles when tying .If the r in into the hay, usually breaking the. Wwdles
We used to get that surge on a gear drive 44 hp tractor that weighed in at 6,000+ lbs with ballast. The square balers can really shake you when they get moving.
Once again, it is amazing what the 1 series can handle. Seems like that jerky forward motion would get old real fast. I had to watch a slow motion video to understand how the knotter works. It is incredible mechanical technology considering when it was developed.
lol, knots really were simple with twisting and hook grabs rotating doing the looping, however the loops tended to get caught on all kinds of things and you'd wind up with a mess, so they added in the final loop puller that did the knot tightening with some angled v that got semi sharp towards it's inside stop that made the cut, when that got dull, man oh man did baling life suck with lots of broken bales, single twined kicking out, used to having to slash them with a knife as they slid out, saved on twine too, less wasted. my grandpa told me all about how these developed at the speed computers have developed. don't ever ask how the kicker works or you will get a lesson how the whole machines works, hahaha.
Nice it amazing what these little tractors can do. I just wish mine lift a little more with pallet forks.
Great video, Tim! I’ve often wondered if my Kubota B2650 could handle a square baler. Now I know!
Small ride with a big baler
Great video really enjoyed it thanks
When I saw the thumbnail, I guessed that bailer was a JD 327. My dad bought one brand new in 1981. He had a John Deere 950 tractor he'd bought new in 1977 or '78 that pulled it. It was 27hp. After multiple troubles trying to hire out to have the hay done, he finally invested in a whole set of brand new hay equipment in summer of '81. That 327 would bail anything. It was the smallest of the series. I think there was a 337, 347 and 357 and this series may have been first produced around 1980. Maybe very late 1970's. The only trouble dad had was at least once a year during the bailing of the field, that thing would plug up in real heavy stuff and he'd break the shear pin on the flywheel. We figure it only did that because it was the smallest of the series. But it was such a great bailer and so reliable. Dad started to pull it with a 50 horse Allis-Chalmers 5050 in 1984 or so. Sold it in 2002 and only because he quit raising cattle and didn't need to cut hay anymore. Seeing this brings back great memories!
Awesome video! I had no idea a small tractor like that could run a bailer.
I ran my 24T John Deere with my 1939 Farmall 'A'.
My grandfather would have me on the old dump rake behind the tractor raking up all the gatherings that the baler didn't ;pick up and then we'd go back and bale that!
I've always heard that knotters were tempermental on about all the brands back then, but once they were working right, you could get lots of bales from them.
Great video, Tim, love your channel and all your videos, would love to see Johnny X on the baler I bet you'd be getting a lovely turbo whistle from the exhaust
Hopefully you can do a mini roll baler demo in the future for comparison!
When I was a kid, my Dad had a 24T with a Wisconsin air cooled engine mounted on it. If it ate a large gulp of hay, you could hear it a mile away straining but it never failed. You don't need a 120 horsepower tractor to run a small square baler. If the knotter doesn't work initially, it may be from too liberal greasing of the knotter. They only need a bit to stay alive. Better to grease more often than a large goop coming out and causing the twine to slip in the knotting process. In my lifetime, I have bales thousands and thousands of square bales. So much so, I switched to round bales.
Great video! I need to look for a good used bailer and rake.
Farmers used to pull bailers like this with 8N''s and B's with about the same HP