I'm really glad you've been featuring these sickle mowers. I'm getting into farming the old family farm and switching from row cropping for livestock/hay on a budget. These new sickles look like they put the old ones to shame. The double action looks like all the difference in the world. One of these sickles is way more affordable than disc mowers.
@@farmingnodak I use a pull type Kosch double 7', 'cause it was cheap and I only hay about 600 acres now, rest is pasture. This one is about 20 years old, had it about 15. They last forever and minimal maintenance. They really don't bother much either, like plugging up, even in low ground (other than moss), as long as there isn't full time standing water.... Before that I had a couple old mounted double 7' Koschs on old narrow front Deeres, 530 and a 520, really handy. They had decades of service. Most -used- a double 9' hydraulic here in the later years, and I'd have gotten one had I seen a decent one lightly used (used prices not much cheaper, might as well get new). Now everyone is switching to disc. Seeing mostly Vermeer, like a tm1410. Had this year been different, I'd have gotten a tm810, most likely. I like sickle mowers, need to keep one around to mow the ditches bordering the gravel roads/property (landowner responsibility). I have an old 9' Deere for that, think it's a 38? or so, no serial plate on it, never looked into it. Don't care for Rowse products, but they're fine. Some personal family history there going back to my uncle and when the company started, I won't buy their products, though I'm fairly near the factory.... I probably see more Kosch stuff around, and it's what I grew up with. My 8 bale retriever is a Kosch, got it new about 5 years ago.
I was surprised that the 1025R could handle this mowing so well. Generally when I mowed I was instructed to just round the ends. it helped with the raking and bailing.
Great video! I’m a city kid that moved to the country as a young adult and there are what seem to me to be relatively simple things about farming that I just don’t know. This is so educational. It’s mostly common sense. I’ve had an old Farmall Super H. Use to brush hog. Just got a new JD 3043. Hoping to be able to make some hay. Thanks, Chuck
Thar is a nifty mower, and does a nice job. Glad you got to try it on the heavier hay. Looking forward to seeing the baler you were talking about. Blessings!
Tim; In my comments yesterday on the 5075E review I made the suggestion that Deere was not the Deere I once operated. The 30,40, 50, 55 and 60 series were some of the most dependable tractors John Deere ever produced. The 4430 was an awesome example of dependability. A 50 year old tractor still delivering. We had several in this line over the years. Our last were a 4455 which we still use and has the original engine with over 11,000 engine hours. We also had a 4560, 4955 and a 4960 which we traded for the newer 8000 series. Solid American made iron!
My father in law and myself just cut 11 acres of hay last night with his 790 and Ford 601 sickle mower and our 4044m and John Deere 350 sickle mower. Both mowers are 7 foot cutters, and he was running in either low 4th or high 1st and I was able to run in B3 most of the time. Made pretty good time.
Nice video, lets people know what it takes to make hay. I just got a Rossi, not to make hay buy to cut around the ponds and ditches. I love it , saves a lot of time. Keep up the great videos!
When you roll it with the correct moisture content nothing smells better, we ted ours soon as it's cut where I live normally 24 hours later its good to roll up. Krone mowers are nice we have that model installed a valve on the cylinder so it does not leak down lol all of our fields have to drive on road to get to them
I’ve cut thousands of acres of hay on a MF-135 and a 7’ sickle bar mower as a kid. Now I’ve got my own place with a 22 acre hay field I’m starting to look for some hay equipment. That sickle bar was doing a great job.
Around here, a pull type double 7' Kosch can be found for about $1500 or so, depending. 22 acres would take me about 4 hours or so, maybe a bit over, not going too hard. Pull type double is best with a wide front. You can go with a little less, but 50hp is ~ok, where I'd like it anyway. Single mowers are less of course. I like Deere for those.
Hello Tim. That John Deere 4430 set up as is weighs in at about 13,500 pounds. It has a 6.6 L inline John Deere brand turbo Diesel engine, rated about 130 hp. When operating at full RPMs it burns about 8.5 gallons of fuel per hour out it’s a big 45 gallon diesel tank. With a 158 model loader from John Deere he can lift 3800 pounds to full height all day long. It can easily tow 13,000 pounds on the drawbar all day long. This 4430 John Deere and the 5075e John Deere are the first “real” 2 tractors that I have found interesting here. Please do a full review of your friends 4430 John Deere. No Yanmar crap here. Real John Deere power plant inside. That’s a real classic piece of American agricultural steel. I just love the content you keep pouring out- it is awesome. You’re like a big brother I never had. 🙃
@@TractorTimewithTim I enjoy watching you demonstrate all of your equipment. I’ve learned a lot from you and your friends. I own a bigger tractor-(I am assuming that most of your viewers are compact tractor owners) a John Deere 2011 year 5083e Limited with wide 10 ply bias industrial R4 Goodyear IT525 tread. So when you do videos on the bigger tractors 🚜 I tend to tune in more. I only own 2 1/2 acres but I lift a lot of heavy things.
@@TractorTimewithTim With that full-size 5075E Limited tractor you have now May I recommend John Deere part number BW15852-Large Ballast Box. It weighs about 400 pounds empty and filled to the top with Portland cement it weighs about 2800 pounds. I put some scrap steel in with the concrete and I’m running my ballast box at about 2950 pounds. It is a very well-built ballast box for a larger full-size utility tractors such as five and six series and it fits category II and III hitches. You could easily get it over 3300 pounds with more steel added to the cement. The ballast box is much better than fluid in the tires. It’s easier to remove and the weight is further back, giving you a lot more balance and stability when lifting very heavy things. I’ve seen people Jerry rig stupid concrete contraptions but it’s best to buy a professional made quality product from the manufacturer. John Deere tests the stuff all the time and knows exactly what you need for the type of loader you’re running. A lot of people just get lazy and forget about correct ballast.
I was asking about the 8R and large Case IH tractors from the family farm. If you haven’t seen any of our ‘farm videos’ I would encourage you to check them out.
@@TractorTimewithTim Oh I will. I did not know about that channel. The other day I saw a category five hitch pin and that baby weighs 16 1/2 pounds. It kind of puts everything into perspective and makes you feel kind of small when you see a hitch came to an eight or a nine series John Deere.
when I mowed hay on the farm it was with AC wd and a side mount sickle bar &pulling a hay crimper at the same time,but don't back up more than a couple feet,hay crimper would wrap up,hope you had a sharp pen knife.
Matt has a very pretty piece of land and being able to get the hay is a bonus. The cycle bar mower did alright too. Tim could you have mown the whole field? What kind of time would that have taken?
I could have mowed it. Probably taken me 4 hours...maybe less. He just jumped in to get it done faster (and for the fun of having two tractors of such different size doing the job.
We had a Allis WC with a side mount sickle mower, and brake levers for each rear wheel. When you came to a turn, you would lock the right hand wheel brake, spin the steering wheel, and if you timed it right, make a perfect 90 degree cut corner. Like Tim said, if the 1025R had individual brakes, he could do that too.
Hi Tim I'm looking forward to seeing you make hay. Is the baler you're going to use one of those mini balers for cat 1 tractors. I've just got a couple of acres and I've been thinking about one of the mi I balers. Would like your opinion and wondering if you've used one. Thanks for sharing this is an interesting demo.
I'll tell ya...this has inspired me to finish my 1940 Allis Chalmers B with a sickel mower.... would really love to try out my mower......on the plus side I haven't mowed what we call our fields (which is perty much just grass and junk that we keep mowed... nothing gets put on it or anything) and we'll the mower has been down for a while....might actually have some grass to mow
really cool tim I always enjoyed watching haying operations when I was a kid. There is not a lot, but there is a fellow who dose all the small fields in the area.
A friend of mine watched this and wants to know if the 4430 would turn around on his 1/2 acre. I assured him that it would and it's the perfect size machine for his lot!
Matt was talking about working to keep johnson grass out of the fields. I remember when I was glad to get bales of johnson grass on bad years. I was feeding 3 horses then. Krone has a triple set up. 1 in front and 1 on each side making a 3 wide swath.
We had a 6 foot sickle mower on our 47 model M JD, just sold both recently Even if I put my strongest rose tinted glasses on it did not come close to the way that Maschio slices! The best thing about the M mower was it's position- belly mount, so no sore neck from looking back. It had the long guards so it plugged on every mouse nest then would ratchet back and automatically disengage the drive , a good feature when the machine plugs often! Short guards were a later evolution that would have helped, but I'm sure the moving guards are the best. Incidentally that M with 6' JD was purchased new by Tiger Corporation for highway mowing, Government contracts, the type of work done by 100+ hp 6 series JD's with double and triple gang flail mowers today
Very informative video. Do you have a video covering the SCV set up? Top hydraulic cylinder would be good to have. Is the rear SCV option available on the 1025f with back hoe option ? Any upcoming review on the new 120 loader MSL?
The 4430 is around 6 gallons/hour, on this easy job. A whole lot more when working hard. We also had a 4640 that thing 8, 9 gallons on a sunny day. But rocksolod engines run forever with good maintance.
Krone cuts cleaner. I’d try a larger size at some point and see if the cut quality is any better with a longer sickle cutter bar. I don’t know if it will slow your tractor 🚜 down? Worth seeing?
This is actually pretty clever to show people, that you can do a lot of things with a compact tractor, sure it might be lot more expensive than used tractor and all that, but a lot less repairing and so on too, I guess that you would easy make hay with these, looking forward to see you bale this! I own an old classic ferguson TEA 20 and they are not so big in horsepower and you have to wrestle them around the fields, and compared to your tractors its a lot easier to drive with servos and good nice transmissions :)
You have to consider the size of the these compact tractors and do you have hills or is your land level like in this video. Would you really want to mow a 10 acre field using a small tractor and a 6ft cutter bar?
@@Fishcop-326 Grew up on a farm, with a tractor sized in 52 hp (Deutz-Fahr 5207C) and I can tell you, that small tractor could pull The trick there is manual gears and not hydrostatic, would not have worked well otherwise I used to cut swaths with a John Deere 1350 mower, also bale hay with a JD 349, plow with a 3 furrow Överum plow,so I am very well aware of that but it worked just fine if the bigger tractors like the Ford 7810 or 7900 was used to something else You just go slower and when traction is not good you dont do it at all..I cut with our old 2meters sickle bar a lot more area than that :)
@@danne77sthlm didn’t mean to offend. 52 hp is a lot bigger than the little JD in the video. I also grew up on a farm. You know as well as I do that coming down a hill with a load of hay behind you can give you a pucker factor if the tractor isn’t heavy enough.
@@Fishcop-326 No you didnt offend me, no problem there, and oh yes, I had a big trailer jackknife on me a few times, it is very very scary thing to experience
I'm surprised how fast you were cutting. I run half that speed or less, about 1/4 throttle when I mow. For one who never "made hay" I find this interesting. Can't wait for the follow up. Best regards, Jay
Why would you run 1/4 throttle? All (or most) PTO attachments are designed to be run full throttle. Seems like you would want the mower operating at full speed.
@@TractorTimewithTim It's a little 18 hp Cub Cadet XT1 lawn tractor and the 2 - 1/2 yards I mow are hilly with many twists and turns.. The only time I open up the throttle is when I'm plowing snow.
What's the old style with a Allis Chalmer B we could pull an 8-foot sickle bar and that's only a 15.6 engine horsepower tractor and we mowed a lot of hay brush and everything used an old dump rake even on the brush
Question Tim. When you’re cutting with anything on the rear, and with the mid-mount deck off, do you take the other auto connect section off also? I only know because I had a JD tech in my garage recently trying to get the auto connect to work and he took it off. It seem easy and it appears that it hangs down and would get clogged when cutting. I think I’m going with a flail mower for my property. Thanks again for all the great videos. Jim w/1025R.
4 days from cutting? When we did hay, we cut first thing in the morning with a 9ft sickle bar cutter, by mid to late afternoon, we were baling. Yes, it was dry, if we cut a day after a rain, we'd wait a full day since the ground is holding moisture and having high humidity. Cheers :)
Tim. As a pup growing up with 2 JD B's and sickle mower I was taught at the end of the cut to go straight- lift the bar and make a circle to the left and to line up on a square approach to the next side. If space didnt allow that to do a 3 point corner ( i didnt like backing up or slowing down). I had to have Square ends with no plugs or stopping. KNOCKIN DOWN HAY MAKES THE DAY!!!
LOL, I wasn't taught anything, ever, I was just told to do it.... With mounted double 7' Koschs and narrow front, I could hit the brake, crank the wheel, and make the turn without leaving a thing. The pull type, if the grass is a bit thinner, I can mostly make the turn. But it's usually thicker, so a little bit is left, the mower will drag a little, but usually doesn't plug or anything. I run over the corners after mowing if there's enough to do (usually very little and not worth it). Doesn't take too long, especially compared to lifting bars and swinging around (adding the time for each of those maneuvers together).
Hi tim good video but i saw something that was wrong and that was that you are not protecting your salvé .you where inside the tractor with that man.with no mask be safe tim your a good man.
So what would you plant for cows , horses for grasses so they can eat that’s good And how do you get rid of the grass as you don’t want that May harm them
tim what about lifting your mower and doing a half of a circle 8 then let the mower down i think that would help you out not sure if i am saying it right
When I do bucket work with my 3046R with my buddy that has a full size wheel loader, I feel like a little kid playing in the dirt with his dad. lol Sometimes he'll just make a couple big scoops for me to work on for awhile.
The 1025r should be able to run a small square baler. Those sickle mowers don't require much HP to run so they can be run on a lot of smaller sized tractors pretty easily.
The comparison is hilarious. There’s a guy around me that the small batch hay. Like your setup will do. I live in kind of a River valley, so spring the grass is so quick and ground so wet, this guy makes out servicing peoples yards and gets I think good quality first cut. Which would otherwise be a waste, and nuisance.
Tim you’ll be in a flatlander like me I don’t know how the hurricane would bother you guys I am in Minnesota you were in Indiana something to think about isn’t it
By the time hurricanes get here, they are just rainstorms.....but you don’t want rain to fall on hay that has been cut. Good point. We’ll discuss in follow up episode.
Thank you for adding God's word at the end of your videos. Hopefully it won't just be words to those that read God's word and that it will be a love letter. My pastor says when he did something that he needed punished for as a child he learned if he stayed close to his dad instead of running around that his dad couldn't get a good swing at him with his belt and sometimes hit himself. Preacher's point is stay close to the Lord and things will go a lot less painful. I'm sure glad I have a loving and merciful God
It's so neat watching these sub-compact tractors in the hay field. Last year when we had the drought here in northern KY hay was $8-9 a bail. I thought seriously about using my 1023e to hay one of my small 3 acre fields using the exact equipment you're showing!
I do 15 acres of hay in il with even older equipment... u only need 3 days if u have a mower with conditioner! He mentioned it but then doesnt get one... u can get a used one for 5k. He spent 13k on the disc mower so he has the money. I mow with a 1960s new holland haybine
@@TractorTimewithTim thats true. Rolls dont help as much in grass. Thats why they make the v tine steel conditioners... starting over 30 yrs ago. So there r plenty of used machines out there. Lots of people do the mowers without conditioner. I just never see why in the midwest.
And man it was a house and he cut his grass hay it was grass but he let it go to hey but when he cut that oh my God it smells so sweet I wish I could bottled and sold it for perfume and I don’t know what kind that is a sweet grass smell
You may have the same amount of money for initial investment. But what's the difference in operating and upkeep expenses?😁 A little bit of difference there. The 4430 probably burns 2 to 3 times the amount of fuel per hour or more. That old 4430 is in great shape though. He has oversize tires front and back also. Those rears look like 20.8- 38s not 18.4-38s.
That's what happens when you constantly take from the soil (haying) every year, instead of giving back to it (mulching and dropping in place). Then, because one's robbed the soil of nutrients for years they're forced to put down chemicals, which in-turn pollute our drinking and fishing waters and destroy the soil biology, causing less grass to grow, which in-turn leads to more chemical use...and on...and on.... Same thing with all the GMO crap crops out there.
@@fooddude9921 I would encourage you to learn more about farming before telling everyone what they are doing wrong. Of course, all of your food comes from the grocery store, so you don't need to worry about the details of how food is grown.
@@TractorTimewithTim Please accept that since there is no voice inflection, nor facial expressions noted in an on-line post I say the following with a polite tone and in a reverent manner. I appreciate your point of view, I really do, as it is one shared by many who have worked hard and fed our country for decades. I'm fully sympathetic to the plight of today's farmer and have indeed researched it quite a bit. In fact, it was this research that led me to the science on the harm being done to our drinking water, watersheds, and soil biology by conventional farming, which is quite incontrovertible. Perhaps some education is needed for you? I highly recommend starting with The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan, you can get it here: www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dilemma-Natural-History-Meals/dp/0143038583 and Joel Salatin's work. That (the ecological damage) is a tough pill to swallow for families who have been farming this way for generations. I really don't blame those farmers though, I believe they were lied to by the big Ag companies who told them these chemicals were ok for us, which was particularly true to those who started using them after WWII, when the only studies done were those by the Ag companies, which of course favored the results they wanted . Today however it's different, much like people used to think smoking cigarettes was ok, we now realize the irreparable harm they cause. WRT my food habits - I like a good cheeseburger like you. :-) But, I walk the walk. We gave up a nice suburban lifestyle and purchased a small farm because we didn't want to contribute to Big Ag products. After 3 years we now raise our own Dexter cattle, Mangalitsa pigs, Kiko goats, Katahdin sheep (in 2 days), heritage breed turkeys, ducks and chickens and through a lot of sweat equity put in 7,500 sq ft of veg garden, fruit trees, grape vines, and berry bushes all using regenerative grazing and Organic farming principles. We do not use chemicals on our farm. I process our animals on the farm myself or in the case of chickens employ a local farmer to do it and those food items we get from the store are Organic if they have them. We are not young, nor old (we're the same age as you and Christie), and so it's not easy, yet we do it. But one doesn't need a farm to eat well - there are plenty of local farms growing and raising food in a sustainable/chemical free manner in every state. What one does need is a commitment to better the environment for future generations. All the best.
@@fooddude9921 No worries. Like you, I am attempting to be polite in the discussion. You are correct that you can produce enough food do take care of you and a few others with the approaches you mention. ...and I have no problem with that. I'm glad you are enjoying it, and being successful at it. However, these approaches simply will not scale up enough to feed the world. As the population rapidly increases, so does the need for more and more food. I firmly believe our food quality in the USA is safe for folks to eat. I have not seen any real science to prove otherwise. I do not accept that 'organic' really makes any difference in health. Midwestern Agriculture is QUITE sustainable. Yields and efficiency have consistently improved over the years. They have gained tremendous understanding about how to maintain and improve the land's productivity. If we went 100% organic in the USA, we would starve. Period. Full Stop. There is no way we could produce enough food to feed the world with these limited approaches. We should be thankful that God has given us the ability to improve our Ag productivity over the years.
I'm really glad you've been featuring these sickle mowers. I'm getting into farming the old family farm and switching from row cropping for livestock/hay on a budget. These new sickles look like they put the old ones to shame. The double action looks like all the difference in the world. One of these sickles is way more affordable than disc mowers.
Rowse has double bar mowers, if looking to cover more ground instead of a single bar.
@@farmingnodak I use a pull type Kosch double 7', 'cause it was cheap and I only hay about 600 acres now, rest is pasture. This one is about 20 years old, had it about 15. They last forever and minimal maintenance. They really don't bother much either, like plugging up, even in low ground (other than moss), as long as there isn't full time standing water.... Before that I had a couple old mounted double 7' Koschs on old narrow front Deeres, 530 and a 520, really handy. They had decades of service. Most -used- a double 9' hydraulic here in the later years, and I'd have gotten one had I seen a decent one lightly used (used prices not much cheaper, might as well get new). Now everyone is switching to disc. Seeing mostly Vermeer, like a tm1410. Had this year been different, I'd have gotten a tm810, most likely.
I like sickle mowers, need to keep one around to mow the ditches bordering the gravel roads/property (landowner responsibility). I have an old 9' Deere for that, think it's a 38? or so, no serial plate on it, never looked into it.
Don't care for Rowse products, but they're fine. Some personal family history there going back to my uncle and when the company started, I won't buy their products, though I'm fairly near the factory.... I probably see more Kosch stuff around, and it's what I grew up with. My 8 bale retriever is a Kosch, got it new about 5 years ago.
I was surprised that the 1025R could handle this mowing so well. Generally when I mowed I was instructed to just round the ends. it helped with the raking and bailing.
Brings back memories of baling back in the 50s. Some were good and some not so good as we had to handle the bales by hand so many times.
💥 The sickle bar really went a lot faster than I thought it would. I’m impressed!
*Keep on tractoring!*
Great video! I’m a city kid that moved to the country as a young adult and there are what seem to me to be relatively simple things about farming that I just don’t know. This is so educational. It’s mostly common sense. I’ve had an old Farmall Super H. Use to brush hog. Just got a new JD 3043. Hoping to be able to make some hay. Thanks, Chuck
Glad we could provide just a bit of helpful knowledge. Thanks for watching!
We always picked up the sickle bar at the end of the row and did a 1/4 circle left hand turn and then dropped back and started down the next side.
Thar is a nifty mower, and does a nice job. Glad you got to try it on the heavier hay. Looking forward to seeing the baler you were talking about. Blessings!
Absolutely looooove the big rubber on front of that 4430!😍👍
Matt just got those. They DO look tough!
@@TractorTimewithTim absolutely beautiful. Makes a "small" tractor look mean!!! I want that on a 4455. Excited to see the restoration improvements!
Tim;
In my comments yesterday on the 5075E review I made the suggestion that Deere was not the Deere I once operated. The 30,40, 50, 55 and 60 series were some of the most dependable tractors John Deere ever produced. The 4430 was an awesome example of dependability. A 50 year old tractor still delivering. We had several in this line over the years. Our last were a 4455 which we still use and has the original engine with over 11,000 engine hours. We also had a 4560, 4955 and a 4960 which we traded for the newer 8000 series. Solid American made iron!
The difference in the tractor size is amazing. Thumbs up Tim.
My father in law and myself just cut 11 acres of hay last night with his 790 and Ford 601 sickle mower and our 4044m and John Deere 350 sickle mower. Both mowers are 7 foot cutters, and he was running in either low 4th or high 1st and I was able to run in B3 most of the time. Made pretty good time.
Tim I have to give you credit words do you really do play well with others especially in a tractor competition your dad will be proud
Tim brings back memories of the 50s can handle wate for bailing
God Bless All
PaK
Nice video, lets people know what it takes to make hay. I just got a Rossi, not to make hay buy to cut around the ponds and ditches. I love it , saves a lot of time. Keep up the great videos!
Another Cool Video... I Have Always Loved Mowing Hay...Ure Right It All ways Amused me To Watch The Hay Fall While Cutting It For Some Odd Reason !!
When you roll it with the correct moisture content nothing smells better, we ted ours soon as it's cut where I live normally 24 hours later its good to roll up. Krone mowers are nice we have that model installed a valve on the cylinder so it does not leak down lol all of our fields have to drive on road to get to them
I’ve cut thousands of acres of hay on a MF-135 and a 7’ sickle bar mower as a kid. Now I’ve got my own place with a 22 acre hay field I’m starting to look for some hay equipment. That sickle bar was doing a great job.
Around here, a pull type double 7' Kosch can be found for about $1500 or so, depending. 22 acres would take me about 4 hours or so, maybe a bit over, not going too hard. Pull type double is best with a wide front. You can go with a little less, but 50hp is ~ok, where I'd like it anyway. Single mowers are less of course. I like Deere for those.
That was a fun video.. Matt has quite the sense of humor!
Hello Tim. That John Deere 4430 set up as is weighs in at about 13,500 pounds. It has a 6.6 L inline John Deere brand turbo Diesel engine, rated about 130 hp. When operating at full RPMs it burns about 8.5 gallons of fuel per hour out it’s a big 45 gallon diesel tank. With a 158 model loader from John Deere he can lift 3800 pounds to full height all day long. It can easily tow 13,000 pounds on the drawbar all day long.
This 4430 John Deere and the 5075e John Deere are the first “real” 2 tractors that I have found interesting here. Please do a full review of your friends 4430 John Deere. No Yanmar crap here. Real John Deere power plant inside. That’s a real classic piece of American agricultural steel.
I just love the content you keep pouring out- it is awesome. You’re like a big brother I never had. 🙃
Have you enjoyed the farm equipment from my family farm?
@@TractorTimewithTim I enjoy watching you demonstrate all of your equipment. I’ve learned a lot from you and your friends. I own a bigger tractor-(I am assuming that most of your viewers are compact tractor owners) a John Deere 2011 year 5083e Limited with wide 10 ply bias industrial R4 Goodyear IT525 tread. So when you do videos on the bigger tractors 🚜 I tend to tune in more.
I only own 2 1/2 acres but I lift a lot of heavy things.
@@TractorTimewithTim With that full-size 5075E Limited tractor you have now May I recommend John Deere part number BW15852-Large Ballast Box. It weighs about 400 pounds empty and filled to the top with Portland cement it weighs about 2800 pounds. I put some scrap steel in with the concrete and I’m running my ballast box at about 2950 pounds. It is a very well-built ballast box for a larger full-size utility tractors such as five and six series and it fits category II and III hitches. You could easily get it over 3300 pounds with more steel added to the cement.
The ballast box is much better than fluid in the tires. It’s easier to remove and the weight is further back, giving you a lot more balance and stability when lifting very heavy things. I’ve seen people Jerry rig stupid concrete contraptions but it’s best to buy a professional made quality product from the manufacturer. John Deere tests the stuff all the time and knows exactly what you need for the type of loader you’re running. A lot of people just get lazy and forget about correct ballast.
I was asking about the 8R and large Case IH tractors from the family farm. If you haven’t seen any of our ‘farm videos’ I would encourage you to check them out.
@@TractorTimewithTim Oh I will. I did not know about that channel. The other day I saw a category five hitch pin and that baby weighs 16 1/2 pounds. It kind of puts everything into perspective and makes you feel kind of small when you see a hitch came to an eight or a nine series John Deere.
when I mowed hay on the farm it was with AC wd and a side mount sickle bar &pulling a hay crimper at the same time,but don't back up more than a couple feet,hay crimper would wrap up,hope you had a sharp pen knife.
Hey Tim, you should look into the 4066m Heavy Duty to try on the channel. Maybe to replace the 5E? Im curious to see what you would think about it.
Matt has a very pretty piece of land and being able to get the hay is a bonus. The cycle bar mower did alright too. Tim could you have mown the whole field? What kind of time would that have taken?
I could have mowed it. Probably taken me 4 hours...maybe less. He just jumped in to get it done faster (and for the fun of having two tractors of such different size doing the job.
Another Great episode of Tractor Time With Tim. Boy I miss doing that work
Good thing you went there Tim. Not getting that good of hay here this year. No rain.
We had a Allis WC with a side mount sickle mower, and brake levers for each rear wheel. When you came to a turn, you would lock the right hand wheel brake, spin the steering wheel, and if you timed it right, make a perfect 90 degree cut corner. Like Tim said, if the 1025R had individual brakes, he could do that too.
Hi Tim I'm looking forward to seeing you make hay. Is the baler you're going to use one of those mini balers for cat 1 tractors. I've just got a couple of acres and I've been thinking about one of the mi I balers. Would like your opinion and wondering if you've used one. Thanks for sharing this is an interesting demo.
It is not a mini baler. The owner did not want to deal with those mini round bales.
Sickle bar looks so sweet dropping grass.
Wished I could have been there I would have enjoyed it grew up on dairy farm miss making hay
Looks like you have a hydraulic top link. Please do video on that. I think I would like to have this feature on my tractor (1025r).
Working toward the full video. Want to make sure we have everything right on it before discussing.
I'll tell ya...this has inspired me to finish my 1940 Allis Chalmers B with a sickel mower.... would really love to try out my mower......on the plus side I haven't mowed what we call our fields (which is perty much just grass and junk that we keep mowed... nothing gets put on it or anything) and we'll the mower has been down for a while....might actually have some grass to mow
This was really interesting to see and learn about. Looking forward to the continuation. Thanks guys!
really cool tim I always enjoyed watching haying operations when I was a kid. There is not a lot, but there is a fellow who dose all the small fields in the area.
A friend of mine watched this and wants to know if the 4430 would turn around on his 1/2 acre. I assured him that it would and it's the perfect size machine for his lot!
4430 would be perfect 👍🏻😃, you would be surprised how nimble they are.
Matt was talking about working to keep johnson grass out of the fields. I remember when I was glad to get bales of johnson grass on bad years. I was feeding 3 horses then.
Krone has a triple set up. 1 in front and 1 on each side making a 3 wide swath.
Johnson grass or Bermuda grass? Here Wa state Bermuda grass is a cuss word and in some places in Texas they actually plant the stuff. Go Figure
@@bjre.wa.8681 my yard in North Texas was Bermuda sodded. Neighbors St Augustine has encroached and invaded a third of front yard
If you compared the sickle mowed grass to the disc mowed grass did you notice a difference in cut quality on the grass?
We’ll check that out after raking:-)
We had a 6 foot sickle mower on our 47 model M JD, just sold both recently
Even if I put my strongest rose tinted glasses on it did not come close to the way that Maschio slices!
The best thing about the M mower was it's position- belly mount, so no sore neck from looking back.
It had the long guards so it plugged on every mouse nest then would ratchet back and automatically disengage the drive , a good feature when the machine plugs often!
Short guards were a later evolution that would have helped, but I'm sure the moving guards are the best.
Incidentally that M with 6' JD was purchased new by Tiger Corporation for highway mowing, Government contracts, the type of work done by 100+ hp 6 series JD's with double and triple gang flail mowers today
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Very informative video. Do you have a video covering the SCV set up? Top hydraulic cylinder would be good to have. Is the rear SCV option available on the 1025f with back hoe option ? Any upcoming review on the new 120 loader MSL?
Great video, Tim. Thank you for sharing. God Bless from Phoenix. Russ
That little Johnny haw for sure done many tasks and many more to come
Really enjoyed the video. Can't wait to see the baler in action.
The 4430 is around 6 gallons/hour, on this easy job. A whole lot more when working hard.
We also had a 4640 that thing 8, 9 gallons on a sunny day. But rocksolod engines run forever with good maintance.
Krone cuts cleaner. I’d try a larger size at some point and see if the cut quality is any better with a longer sickle cutter bar. I don’t know if it will slow your tractor 🚜 down? Worth seeing?
This is actually pretty clever to show people, that you can do a lot of things with a compact tractor, sure it might be lot more expensive than used tractor and all that, but a lot less repairing and so on too, I guess that you would easy make hay with these, looking forward to see you bale this!
I own an old classic ferguson TEA 20 and they are not so big in horsepower and you have to wrestle them around the fields, and compared to your tractors its a lot easier to drive with servos and good nice transmissions :)
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You have to consider the size of the these compact tractors and do you have hills or is your land level like in this video. Would you really want to mow a 10 acre field using a small tractor and a 6ft cutter bar?
@@Fishcop-326 Grew up on a farm, with a tractor sized in 52 hp (Deutz-Fahr 5207C) and I can tell you, that small tractor could pull
The trick there is manual gears and not hydrostatic, would not have worked well otherwise
I used to cut swaths with a John Deere 1350 mower, also bale hay with a JD 349, plow with a 3 furrow Överum plow,so I am very well aware of that but it worked just fine if the bigger tractors like the Ford 7810 or 7900 was used to something else
You just go slower and when traction is not good you dont do it at all..I cut with our old 2meters sickle bar a lot more area than that :)
@@danne77sthlm didn’t mean to offend. 52 hp is a lot bigger than the little JD in the video. I also grew up on a farm. You know as well as I do that coming down a hill with a load of hay behind you can give you a pucker factor if the tractor isn’t heavy enough.
@@Fishcop-326 No you didnt offend me, no problem there, and oh yes, I had a big trailer jackknife on me a few times, it is very very scary thing to experience
I'm surprised how fast you were cutting. I run half that speed or less, about 1/4 throttle when I mow. For one who never "made hay" I find this interesting. Can't wait for the follow up. Best regards, Jay
Why would you run 1/4 throttle? All (or most) PTO attachments are designed to be run full throttle. Seems like you would want the mower operating at full speed.
@@TractorTimewithTim It's a little 18 hp Cub Cadet XT1 lawn tractor and the 2 - 1/2 yards I mow are hilly with many twists and turns.. The only time I open up the throttle is when I'm plowing snow.
What’s the best grasses to make hay? Thanks very nice video
Nice vid ! Thats one nice 4430! What size are those front tires. Im restoring a 4430 now and would like that size of tire on mine.
Johnny handled the sickle mower very well!
What were you calling the attachment you have on the little tractor compared to his, And what does that cost information
Monica, it is available at agfolks.com use code TTWT for a 5% discount. It is called a sickle bar mower.
What's the old style with a Allis Chalmer B we could pull an 8-foot sickle bar and that's only a 15.6 engine horsepower tractor and we mowed a lot of hay brush and everything used an old dump rake even on the brush
Question Tim. When you’re cutting with anything on the rear, and with the mid-mount deck off, do you take the other auto connect section off also? I only know because I had a JD tech in my garage recently trying to get the auto connect to work and he took it off. It seem easy and it appears that it hangs down and would get clogged when cutting. I think I’m going with a flail mower for my property. Thanks again for all the great videos. Jim w/1025R.
I do not take it off.
4 days from cutting? When we did hay, we cut first thing in the morning with a 9ft sickle bar cutter, by mid to late afternoon, we were baling. Yes, it was dry, if we cut a day after a rain, we'd wait a full day since the ground is holding moisture and having high humidity. Cheers :)
The 4430 cab must be bigger than it looks, LOL Great job guys!
We got to know each other pretty well :-)
Hey Tim 🇺🇸 🚜 Great Job nothing like the smell of cutting Hay 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🚜😎
I’ve probably watched about 100 of your videos and never realized the cheeseburger in the intro 🍔
LOL! I had to go back to start to see it.
Johnson grass b 4 boot is good quality jersey cows used to clean the ditches and if crimped
When I cut my hay or when I’m bailing straw after combining I use John Deere b wrap cause it’s what work for the Alabama wheather
Matts a super star lol. i like matt
What a great vid. Just like nascar except going the wrong way. Remember its left turn, left turn, left turn, left turn.🤠
We try to avoid turning left during an election year :-)
Tim. As a pup growing up with 2 JD B's and sickle mower I was taught at the end of the cut to go straight- lift the bar and make a circle to the left and to line up on a square approach to the next side. If space didnt allow that to do a 3 point corner ( i didnt like backing up or slowing down).
I had to have Square ends with no plugs or stopping.
KNOCKIN DOWN HAY MAKES THE DAY!!!
Yes, I was going to respond with the same maneuver. This also was how I was taught.
LOL, I wasn't taught anything, ever, I was just told to do it.... With mounted double 7' Koschs and narrow front, I could hit the brake, crank the wheel, and make the turn without leaving a thing. The pull type, if the grass is a bit thinner, I can mostly make the turn. But it's usually thicker, so a little bit is left, the mower will drag a little, but usually doesn't plug or anything. I run over the corners after mowing if there's enough to do (usually very little and not worth it). Doesn't take too long, especially compared to lifting bars and swinging around (adding the time for each of those maneuvers together).
Love seeing the smaller tractor do this type of stuff. I will be in the same boat hopefully next year with a small tractor and trying to cut some hay
Hi tim good video but i saw something that was wrong and that was that you are not protecting your salvé .you where inside the tractor with that man.with no mask be safe tim your a good man.
whats the price for the cutter? location where I can get one. I'm in central Missouri
Agfolks.com use code TTWT for a 5% discount. They will deliver to your door!
So what would you plant for cows , horses for grasses so they can eat that’s good
And how do you get rid of the grass as you don’t want that May harm them
Cattle love white or red clover, for horses it's alfalfa or timothy.
Great video, can't wait for the baling video. Love the little bit of banter too! How many acres did you mow Tim!? haha
At about 13:10 poor Christy looks like she is running lol. You guys should get a gimbal if you don’t have one already.
Running two mowers can be a lot of fun, much more than going alone.
Ready to see the little baler at work next to the big baler
tim what about lifting your mower and doing a half of a circle 8 then let the mower down i think that would help you out not sure if i am saying it right
Well...How much fuel did each of you use?
That grass is about 5 times as thick as our...maybe someday ;)
Old tech has found a new home with the old sickle bars now mounted to compact tractors
Yes, and yet a slightly newer design with both guards AND sections moving against each other. This makes for a better cut.
From a distance Johnny following the big tractor looked like a puppy following his master.
When I do bucket work with my 3046R with my buddy that has a full size wheel loader, I feel like a little kid playing in the dirt with his dad. lol Sometimes he'll just make a couple big scoops for me to work on for awhile.
The Arizona Homestead Project A little kid with a BIG smile. 😁
@@PinMonkey1960 lol, yep
Tim, do I need anything special to hook a cickle mower to my kubota L3200.
If you buy the maschio, it is nice to have the hydraulic valve for the hydraulic fold.
I think you can get manual fold.
The 1025r should be able to run a small square baler. Those sickle mowers don't require much HP to run so they can be run on a lot of smaller sized tractors pretty easily.
Was that a 4430 with the cab it looks like ares with the fat front wheels
The comparison is hilarious. There’s a guy around me that the small batch hay. Like your setup will do. I live in kind of a River valley, so spring the grass is so quick and ground so wet, this guy makes out servicing peoples yards and gets I think good quality first cut. Which would otherwise be a waste, and nuisance.
I like your new video today you did a really good jop today
What range were you cutting in
Not sure. Probably high.
Okay the sickle bar mower is nice, but a baler for a subcompact?? That's crazy. I had no idea they made them that small.
They do...but the one we will try is too big for the 1025r. We will be running it on the 2038r.
Tim I like baling hay videos .It looks like it would be fun to do thanks for sharing
Tim you’ll be in a flatlander like me I don’t know how the hurricane would bother you guys I am in Minnesota you were in Indiana something to think about isn’t it
By the time hurricanes get here, they are just rainstorms.....but you don’t want rain to fall on hay that has been cut. Good point. We’ll discuss in follow up episode.
Thank you for adding God's word at the end of your videos. Hopefully it won't just be words to those that read God's word and that it will be a love letter. My pastor says when he did something that he needed punished for as a child he learned if he stayed close to his dad instead of running around that his dad couldn't get a good swing at him with his belt and sometimes hit himself. Preacher's point is stay close to the Lord and things will go a lot less painful. I'm sure glad I have a loving and merciful God
It's so neat watching these sub-compact tractors in the hay field. Last year when we had the drought here in northern KY hay was $8-9 a bail. I thought seriously about using my 1023e to hay one of my small 3 acre fields using the exact equipment you're showing!
Great video!
Cool, now if you hade the other hay equipment for Johnny to demo
Love the video keep it up 👍
I do 15 acres of hay in il with even older equipment... u only need 3 days if u have a mower with conditioner! He mentioned it but then doesnt get one... u can get a used one for 5k. He spent 13k on the disc mower so he has the money. I mow with a 1960s new holland haybine
He finds the conditioner doesn’t help with grass...would help with alfalfa, but does not crimp right enough to help with this heavy grass
@@TractorTimewithTim thats true. Rolls dont help as much in grass. Thats why they make the v tine steel conditioners... starting over 30 yrs ago. So there r plenty of used machines out there.
Lots of people do the mowers without conditioner. I just never see why in the midwest.
What canopy is on your tractor?
That one is the Deere. I recommend the Artillian.com removable canopy.
Thank you
Making hay was the only job I hated and loved at the same.
Very cool...can remember as a small kid, dad cutting 3 acres with a scythe 😳
for those of you with kids or flashback to childhood ... I think I can I think I can ... the little engine that could
How many hours do you guys put on your tractors a year?
Lots of variety on that. 5075e has 76 hours on it. 2038r has 178hrs. 1025’s maybe 150 per year.
Tractor Time with Tim we are running about the same caring for 4.5 acres.
Tractor Time with Tim could you get your hands on a 12’ finish mower and review it behind the 2038
Always looking for different attachments.
That krone has it made, second cutting over first
And man it was a house and he cut his grass hay it was grass but he let it go to hey but when he cut that oh my God it smells so sweet I wish I could bottled and sold it for perfume and I don’t know what kind that is a sweet grass smell
How much sickle bar cost six foot
how many acres did you mow in total?
10 acres.
I WANT TO DO THAT FUN TIMES HAVE A DAY LOVE FROM TEXAS
You may have the same amount of money for initial investment. But what's the difference in operating and upkeep expenses?😁 A little bit of difference there. The 4430 probably burns 2 to 3 times the amount of fuel per hour or more. That old 4430 is in great shape though. He has oversize tires front and back also. Those rears look like 20.8- 38s not 18.4-38s.
Given that he is seeing thinning/baring grass areas, He may want to consider more Lime as opposed to fertilizer. I have seen/experienced the same.
As he said, he will have soil test.
That's what happens when you constantly take from the soil (haying) every year, instead of giving back to it (mulching and dropping in place). Then, because one's robbed the soil of nutrients for years they're forced to put down chemicals, which in-turn pollute our drinking and fishing waters and destroy the soil biology, causing less grass to grow, which in-turn leads to more chemical use...and on...and on.... Same thing with all the GMO crap crops out there.
@@fooddude9921 I would encourage you to learn more about farming before telling everyone what they are doing wrong. Of course, all of your food comes from the grocery store, so you don't need to worry about the details of how food is grown.
@@TractorTimewithTim Please accept that since there is no voice inflection, nor facial expressions noted in an on-line post I say the following with a polite tone and in a reverent manner. I appreciate your point of view, I really do, as it is one shared by many who have worked hard and fed our country for decades. I'm fully sympathetic to the plight of today's farmer and have indeed researched it quite a bit. In fact, it was this research that led me to the science on the harm being done to our drinking water, watersheds, and soil biology by conventional farming, which is quite incontrovertible. Perhaps some education is needed for you? I highly recommend starting with The Omnivore's Dilemma
by Michael Pollan, you can get it here: www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dilemma-Natural-History-Meals/dp/0143038583
and Joel Salatin's work.
That (the ecological damage) is a tough pill to swallow for families who have been farming this way for generations. I really don't blame those farmers though, I believe they were lied to by the big Ag companies who told them these chemicals were ok for us, which was particularly true to those who started using them after WWII, when the only studies done were those by the Ag companies, which of course favored the results they wanted . Today however it's different, much like people used to think smoking cigarettes was ok, we now realize the irreparable harm they cause.
WRT my food habits - I like a good cheeseburger like you. :-) But, I walk the walk. We gave up a nice suburban lifestyle and purchased a small farm because we didn't want to contribute to Big Ag products. After 3 years we now raise our own Dexter cattle, Mangalitsa pigs, Kiko goats, Katahdin sheep (in 2 days), heritage breed turkeys, ducks and chickens and through a lot of sweat equity put in 7,500 sq ft of veg garden, fruit trees, grape vines, and berry bushes all using regenerative grazing and Organic farming principles. We do not use chemicals on our farm. I process our animals on the farm myself or in the case of chickens employ a local farmer to do it and those food items we get from the store are Organic if they have them. We are not young, nor old (we're the same age as you and Christie), and so it's not easy, yet we do it. But one doesn't need a farm to eat well - there are plenty of local farms growing and raising food in a sustainable/chemical free manner in every state. What one does need is a commitment to better the environment for future generations. All the best.
@@fooddude9921 No worries. Like you, I am attempting to be polite in the discussion.
You are correct that you can produce enough food do take care of you and a few others with the approaches you mention. ...and I have no problem with that. I'm glad you are enjoying it, and being successful at it.
However, these approaches simply will not scale up enough to feed the world. As the population rapidly increases, so does the need for more and more food.
I firmly believe our food quality in the USA is safe for folks to eat. I have not seen any real science to prove otherwise. I do not accept that 'organic' really makes any difference in health.
Midwestern Agriculture is QUITE sustainable. Yields and efficiency have consistently improved over the years. They have gained tremendous understanding about how to maintain and improve the land's productivity.
If we went 100% organic in the USA, we would starve. Period. Full Stop. There is no way we could produce enough food to feed the world with these limited approaches.
We should be thankful that God has given us the ability to improve our Ag productivity over the years.
I go fishing there 😂