Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Crusader, Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- The Crusader. An English cruiser tank. The British engineers' view of Christie’s suspension and his concept for a fast, mobile vehicle. As a true crusader, this tank fought in the deserts of North Africa, far beyond the borders of its homeland. Its main enemy was the German PzKpfw III commanded by Rommel, the Desert Fox.
In this episode: the history of the Crusader's creation, also known as the A15 or Cruiser Mk.VI. What were the peculiarities of its armor and armament. Why did it receive the six-pound gun only after the events of Dunkirk? What was wrong with the Liberty engine?
Of all the places to put that damned music, over top of David Fletcher has got to be the most egregious.
Hear! Hear!
Use less music, or add more variation to the music you do use. You make 20 min videos that use the same 45 second loop throughout.
I found the music to be rather pleasant, actually.
Oh yes, it is - the first dozen times you hear it.
Straight up, the music sucks.
@@kaistzar2831 I actually like the music track on chieftain's videos!
David Fletcher what a treasure and what a dry wit.
Carl Verigotta he is literally my favorite. I certainly hope I can make it to Bovington one day before he retires!
I can really say it too. In Tank Chats his videos are mandatory. :) He has a clear view of tanks and some really old time english irony in his summaries.
unarmoured box full of ammunition and fuel with no suspension towed behind your tank. Nope, can't see any problems with this design...
Ciara
I guess its better if the enemy hits your box then your tank
"A load penetrated my box"
But it was really handy for providing extra ammunition for farm tractors.
Some of those potatoes are really stubborn.
They were fighting Italian tanks mostly, they didn't need much.
No need to do the fire test with this tank. The crusader could never catch fire. Britsh engenring at it's finest
I think he was being satirical. Crusader caught fire about as much as any other tank of the time.
Clearly German propaganda, such fine British engineering could never succumb to such a thing.
It did catch fire, but had a warm-tea safety sistem that took care of the fires by spraying warm tea and milk everywere
They did burn, but it was intentional, everyone in a company could heat their tea over one crusader.
Spot on, good chap! And, bloody hell, if it by some unfortunate event bloody did catch on fire, just put it out with your blooming pot of tea, what's all the fuss about? You are a BRITISH tanker, mind you, gosh darn it! Well, jolly good then, common, in the tank now, go on...
I have no idea why but I really like the Crusader. Probably just because it has such a sleek look for an early-war design. Riddled with design flaws but oh well.
Sexy design^^
I just love it's tracks, it looks so beautiful. And the back side, because it looks sporty.
That angular turret front.
Agree. I know this is largely a failure of a design, but I think it looks the part. Very handsome tank.
Why is the background music always off in terms of volume? I don't mind the music itself, but I do mind it being too loud and interfering with the actual relevant stuff. Especially when to compensate, the volume of chief gets messed up with distorted and poor quality audio. :/
The 3D scanning crew must be somewhere else in the Tank Museum and ordered by Chieftain to do "The Tank Is On Fire" drills on all the early war tanks.
RIP
This is a PG game. The realism of putting that in a game would disturb many of the teens that play...
@@T3hderk87 Really? That kind of thing disturbed you as a teen? I would have thought little pixel men screaming, crackling and crisping inside a tank was awesome..
@@b.elzebub9252 My teens were in the time of banana toss and lemmings, by the time this rolled around my mind was well and truly fortified as an adult... Also, fantastic necropost.
I'm a simple man, I see Chieftain or I see my favourite tank, I press like, this has both.
Crusader is best girl. I mean tank.
Stannum
Crusader is by far better looking than any girl ever could be.
Crusader is gay
Mr. Clean How about you Mr Clean that lying mouth of yours
"..it is totally useless pulled or pushed in any direction!"
Priceless! xD
It does strike me as odd that when they noticed the problems with the engines getting clogged with sand and dust no-one thought to move the air intakes.
That's "military grade" for you
That 1 dislike is by the trailer
the second one is from David Fletcher because the video contains a Rotatrailer
No it's the 3d crew
So now its the whole crew and 2 poor lads who volunteered to help them detach the upside down rotatrailer with twisted rod))
Or people who are butthurt about the "aluminum" joke.
David Fletcher is the David Attenborough of tanks.
Hold on, this isn't an Ambulance.
Foo-Foo Cuddlypoops
When do we get a fire truck?
I want to see an ambulance with a 2-pounder now. Clearly the 3/4-ton had that towing hitch on the back for a Rota-trailer.
Bit
Like that GI Joe truck that had the turret on it?
Bit now that is what you call a fire control group!
In all of my reading about D-DAY, I have never seen mention of Military Harvest Forces before today. It could easily have been a very dangerous occupation being tasked with bringing in the harvest after a battle front has moved through an area. Unexploded ordinance, booby traps, the dead, the wounded and stragglers, mine fields, bunkers, the list goes on.
Chieftain please please make a video on the cromwell not much is talked about it it's extremely underrated please
Not gonna lie
This is my favourite tank in War Thunder
It's super versatile even uptiered
and yet the m1a2's air intake did the same thing in the desert... keep up the good work designers
Meanwhile, the Yugoslav M-84's in Kuwait's service: Problem? Trivago.
I am trying to say that they had no problems at all. I am fairly confident that if Yugoslavia had survived to the modern day and put the M-90 Vihor in service - Kuwait would throw money at it.
David Fletcher in a Chieftan video? My body can only handle so much. Also, music was fine IMO. Only was too loud for like the last 10 seconds or so, I could hear Mr. Fletcher fine.
Also that 6 pounder has caused me much hurt in Warthunder. My poor Panzer III's can't take a glancing hit from one.
Sawed Off Laser they were actually chatting together at tankfest this year, you can imagine a crowd started to built up for that
@@wuppieigor All I can see is the crowd from ATLA with the guy foaming at the mouth while cheering.
The way i read about the external air intake was that they ran out of space in the engine bay and had to mount them externally, thus the first of the two big issues with the Crusader was born
Ayyy it’s Rosehip’s tank :DDD
Spitfirefan1397 the matildas were better in my opinion
Please get rid of the music.
NWBackcountry drives everyone insane
Not me.
The cruiser tanks were always the sleekest looking tanks...
_stares at Cruiser "Boxes On Boxes" Mark I_
...if you say so...
@@broadbandislife We do not speak of the Mk.I
God but I love that tank. It is absolutely is my defining mental image for the 8th Army vs Rommel in the Western Desert.
The first time I ever laughed out loud, and at length, at a Chieftain video, was when I was suddenly struck by the implications of the positioning of the air intakes. There's something about bad design that I find hilarious.
4:52 **Add's fuel to the fire**
These videos are superb. Well done that man.
Could the track tensioning equipment be the similar from this to the T-34 - because its a hold over from the original Christie design that they both carried over?
Ummm ... the suffix 'ium' is the latin indicator of 'metal'
The chemical symbol for Mercury, Hg, is from the latin name Hydrargium.
This is a combination of hydro = liquid, argentum = silver and the metal suffix 'ium'. Basically 'Liquid silver metal'.
Aluminium is a metal. Uranium, titanium, plutonium etc are all pronounced with the 'i' sounded.
Why should aluminium be pronounced differently?
The Americans do not have it correct at all.
The precious metals do not have the 'i' included in the latin name. Platinum, Aurum (gold), Argentum (silver) etc.
Alumin-i-um is not a precious metal.
Just sayin'.
I cannot wait to see you in the drivers position, that armoured box does not look like it gives much room. A bit sadistic I know but it's the little things.
I'm taking off the speed limiter!
Thanks for all the uploads chieftain!
How to tell the difference between Crusader Mk II and III in War Thunder: the former has two hats and the latter has three. :D Also Six-Pounder. Seriously go look, this is not a prank.
JonManProductions That's true. I liked the MkIII. They could take on higher tier tanks with the 6 pdr...
Please do inside the Type 95 Ha-Go. I know they have one in Bovington. Possibly the only Japanese tank in entire museum?
Sealed because it's full of asbestos.
It's got spots.
Time to see a doctor for that.
I must ask, what's the story behind that "Rectified!" note on the inside of the engine compartment plate? Is that the date they restored the tank to running order or something?
ask the Pearsons
Yeah! I want to know, too. when I "rectified" my car, I did so by recktifing it into a pole. I don't want to save the date of that....
Lorin Wingtips I am sure that your insurance company will be asking you repeatedly about that date, better get used to it.
Any video that contains David Fletcher's facial hair is vastly improved.
I needed this comment.
I have heard in multiple places/articles that "American English" is actually closer to English spoken in the 1600s - 1700s compared to the modern day 'British English" is. Apparently British accents have changed quite a lot of the years; comparatively, the typical American accent has changed very little. Thus in a way you could say Americans speak it more accurately.
As for Aluminum vs Aluminium, the scientist couldn't make up his mind when naming the element. First Alumium in 1807, then Aluminum, and then he finally decided on Aluminium in 1812. So that the element sound similar to how other elements ended. With the -ium. Like Potassium and Sodium (also named by the same guy). Somehow the mid version ended up in the Merriam Webster dictionary that the American's used and final version ending up in the Oxford dictionary that the Brits use. Thus its easy to imagine journalists turning to their respective dictionary's in confirmation of the spelling, thus resulting in how the spelling/pronunciation was adopted by their respective countries.
The Moderator except it's not really true, only the East Coast of the USA and in isolated places has a more original accent, but this is also true of areas of the UK like parts of the South West. The USA had huge numbers of German immigrants, not to mention those areas of the USA formerly under Mexican/Spanish or French control, this changed the accents a lot.
The Moderator lol in some parts of the United States people talk almost exactly like people from Northern Ireland the accent is slightly different but the words an actual turn of phrase are nearly identical...shared history at its best.
Did those with the northern irish accent arrive in north america during the 1600's though or maybe as late as the 1900's?
Not much help as it is about a 19th century metal extracted from alum(ium) or alumin(ium)
Yeah, we heard about this guy's official discovery of this metal, said it was called "Aluminum", wrote that down in all the books and dictionaries and then got very confused when everyone in Europe started telling us we're saying it wrong. That's the spelling he gave us, dammit, we're not changing it!
As for the more general issue, written language shifts FAR slower than the spoken. People start to shorten, alter, and slur words as time goes on but the spelling remains the same because....well......that's just how the word is "correctly" spelled, why change it? This is why written French is so baffling compared to how it's actually pronounced and why the Yanks and Brits spell things differently. Why does "Armour" have a U in British English? Well I'm sure it was more vital for how it was pronounced hundreds of years ago, but the language shifted since then and Americans take any opportunity they can to shorten spelling so we just cut that right out (I still cringe when I see "Drive *Thru*" though, that's just too far). In the Victorian era I believe the English made an effort to try and modernize the written language a bit to cut some of this linguistic inertia out, hence why you don't spell it "Shoppe" or "Olde" anymore in either language, but it was hardly complete and proper names and titles resist it.
Gloucestershire, for example. You bastards don't even use a third of the letters in that word anymore!
Tell me it doesn't look sexy it looks more modern than a BMP
Mr Moran,
I realy do like your content however i have 1 question ?,Can you PLEASE stop that annoying music thru the entire clip ??.
David Fletcher is brilliant. Shame he's retired. Love his satirical wit
Such an Iconic looking vehicle.
Looks a little bit small and cramped, but I guess thats the sacrifice if you want to keep a certain weight.
At least this would make a smaller taret then an M3 Medium.
I've just finished reading a book about 5 RTR through WW2. Very interesting read and it seems the Crusader was met with mixed reviews, great for recon and not bad firepower with the 6 pounder especialy once they were able to make an offensive push after Al elemain and spread out but it was unreliable like most early war British tanks. Most seemed to prefer using the Grant at the time
Chopper Meir Crusader was liked for its speed, low profile, long range - Lee/Grant for reliability and the 75mm - Crusader was disliked for the 2pdr and aux turret (both got rid off) and poor reliability (which did improve), the M3 medium was hated for its size, inability to go hull down.
Both had good and bad points. Crusader got better, the Lee/Grant was stuck with its design - but it led to the excellent M4
Er, I believe you mean _alumium._
3D scanning? Does that mean some one is doing this for a new tooled Crusader model? Tamiya 1/16th full option??
Hahahahaha! David Fletcher is just awesome!
He should include David Fletcher comments on future videos where appropriate, if nothing it will compensate for the rubbish music. Though that may be a cunning plan for the watcher to be grateful when the Chieftain returns, it is bad.
Err... no. Humphry first named it "aluminum" in 1806, but by 1812 both he and the rest of the scientific world had adopted "aluminium" INCLUDING in the USA. Noah Webster confused the Septics with his 1828 "American Dictionary of the English Language". They haven't looked forward since.
Ah yes, let's take a box filled with ammo and fuel and have a tank (which is going to draw enemy fire) drag it into an active combat zone. That's a truly brilliant idea lol
Frantically looking for Part 2,..
Could you wear a proper tank crew outfit in videos, helmet and everything?
I could, but why would i?
For protection against hazards inside the tank and would be also interesting to see what kind of gears crews were using in different time periods/national differencies in designs. But if there is nothing special in them and have remained roughly similar through decades, then maybe not.
Because maybe wearing the appropriate gear like say the noddy suit ,a revolver, etc when do do a bail out or getting in would really show how hard it was to bail out by the crews not saying wearing doing the walk round just as say a extra piece at the end
Praise the lord and pass the ammo, chieftain’s got a new video up. Get the popcorn goin ma!
Ah got to love David Fletcher...funny and cool dude!
If one Tank can be called cruiser tank , it's the Crusader. this tank just looks sleek.
Good point on the air filter, did the guys in the Desert do their own modifications and move them? Looking forward to seeing the Chieftain getting into it, a repeat of the comet I anticipate, looks very tight god knows what it was like in the desert.
DC I think the ones on the tank were the later version so it could be worse!
Early Crusaders were very unreliable. They were built really fast to fill a shortage in materiel following Dunkirk, and then trying to play catch up with the current desert losses. This was also combined with a large part of the pre-war workforce being called up, not all factory work was protected.
fdsdh1 yes I watched David Fletchers video, he went into further detail on the poor reliability. Interestingly, they kept at with the tank, fitting side skirts, improving ammunition storage. A lot of funnies were built using the platform, anti aircraft, bridge layer, early crab. It will be interesting to see how he likes inside designed for 2 in the turret.
DC I don't think the design itself was bad, it's more that they needed tanks so desperately they built whatever was available as soon as it was available as quickly as possible. It's never a good combination of things when that happens. The original ones had a 3 man turret which is quite good, the 6pdr brought it down to two which wasn't ideal but could be worse. I reckon it would pass the tank is on fire test though because the rear hatch is huge and the driver just goes straight up.
It's quite interesting that it probably would have made a good light tank in Europe 1944, however by that point the British army had moved away from light tanks (except lend lease ones) towards armoured cars for the role.
This is a very pretty tank.
@The_Chieftain: given your personal exp & knowledge in what's possible, logistics & cost consciousness - how would you put together a serviceable modern MBT?
I'm Width David Fechter. This sound like a BOMB Being toe Behind You No Thanks I take 44 Gal Drum's Option and Put it on Back of the tank
nice video, the throwback to mr fletcher at thinktank on the rota-trailer is pure gold XD
I'll tell you one thing, I was hoping he would feature this in a video and he did!
Who, The Chieftain? Jokes aside, I too am happy with a bit of David Fletcher.
David Fletcher's bit without the music (plus a "Valiant" effort)
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i could gladly live in that museum and never be bored
4:25.. Just in case he is feeling particularly courageous.. Lol
So basically England and it’s tanks with glorified pebble launchers with fuck all armour
Rosehip best girl fight me
great video! but you need to get rid of the background music it's terrible.
+2 likes for the Moustache!
Why? Why? Horrible music (slightly muted) and too many transitions. Why? Nearly every Chieftain's Hatch video comment section mentions how bad it is. Are we being trolled? Does anyone care? We are begging you to do less work editing these videos. Shorter transitions and much less of the music....you're doing more work in order to make your videos more annoying. Oh, wait.....I'll do the math for you. Music = Rota-trailer
Very beautiful tank
Yes, towing a trailer that is one spark away from being turned into a bomb seems like an excellent idea.
Well you have to give the other side a sporting chance...
adam dubin lol true
well...you in the Tank will not notice this...however if by some weird reason you have Infantry near it...they will find this not so much fun
but but... spare ammo and fuel!
It worked fine on Crocodiles
8:00 The Liberty was a WW One aircraft engine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_L-12
Finally my favorite tank in the world gets an Inside the Chieftain's Hatch!!!
Aluminum and Aluminium are both correct, Aluminum came first and the person responsible for naming the element decided to change the name following peer suggestions to maintain naming consistency with other elements of the time.
A couple of points - regarding the excessive workload of the tank commander in the Crusader III with a two man turret, that was why troop and squadron commanders in units equipped with the 6pdr versions of the Crusader and Valentine often retained a three man turreted 2pdr version of the tank. Not really fair to say at the end of Part 2 that it can only have been British pride that led to the Crusader III being produced; the Sherman was at that point not only an unknown quantity, but also not necessarily going to be available to the British in large enough numbers, quickly enough. After all, the Shermans used at Second Alamein had been very generously donated from US stocks, as a simpler, faster alternative to sending a US armoured division to join 8th Army.
All the M4s that went to the British were "donated from US stocks". Every single piece of Lend Lease equipment was officially US inventory "loaned" to the British.
Got to remeber this wasnt really built with desert warfare in mind, in most European theatre's it would have performed better, it stayed riveted because the welders was taken by the navy and airforce which at the te was given priority over the army, it was produced in train factories 😂😂😂, i could see it doing well in france with there huge hedges, having a relatively short gun, low profile and good speed.
I always find the fact that britain had infantry and cavalry tanks actually really interesting, unfortunately the fact it was a calvary/crusier tank and the doctrine of chasing enemy down with cavalry meant the germens took advantage of this in the desert where it found itself charging forward into pre planned artillery strikes ir ambushes, id class this as the alfa romeo of tanks, lovley to look at but you gonna spend a fair amount of time looking under the bonnet trying to figure out why it wont start again.
A spoiler on top of the air filters would be next level sexy 😂😂😂😂
David Fletcher is a bonafide treasure to Armor history and Bovington...
The M-60 series of tanks had their air cleaners with two blower motors similarly mounted on their rear fenders.
Always a pleasure to watch a vid from the chieftain. ;)
Man, sometimes you really have to double take at a lot of WWII auxiliary designs.
The only thing I hate about the Crusader's design is the driver's box. It ruins the symmetry and slickness.
You should do a video on the Covenanter tank!that would make an interesting video!!
Having recently been to bovington, it’s especially fascinating to watch this!
Don't know much about this tank. Ok, so it wasn't particularly reliable but how well did it fight? Sounds like it had some worthwhile attributes. Gad Zukes! The Liberty engine went back to WWI, where it was state of the art. Even with upgrades, I guess it was long in the tooth for WWII. Still, I guess it was what they had.
Apart from reliability, the British tactics of the time resulted in heavy losses.
the first part of this shows a bit more info on the covanater and crusader
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In africa it actually did fairly well, so long as noone was shooting at it. The 6 pounder was definitely good enough to deal with everything except Tigers, and the mobility was very useful considering the relative vastness of the desert. That said, due to the low weight restrictions it simply didnt have much upgrade potential like a Panzer IV, so beyond the Mk III there wasnt much to be done with upgrades (even the upgrade from a 2 to a 6 pounder required removal of a turret crewman), but a few conversions exist, mostly as artillery tractors (turret removed) or AA vehicles (Mk I with 40mm Bofors, Mk II with 2x 20mm Oerlikon autocannon, Mk III with 3x 20mm Oerlikon)
In the African theatre the Germans thought very highly of captured crusaders where it was known as Panzerkampfwagen Mk VI 746 (e). However it's biggest flaw wasn't reliability which although maligned was no worse than tanks like the Panzer III or IV. It was that no HE ammunition was issued to units using it or any other 6lber armed tank and this resulted in a switch to American tanks like the Sherman that had significantly inferior anti-tank capabilities than the 6lber which could take out a Tiger (Tiger 131 in Bovington was taken out by a 6lb armed Churchill) especially when in 1944 APDS ammo was issued for the 6lb gun during the Normandy campaign this ammunition allowed the gun to take out a Tiger or Panther frontally at over 2000 yards however the 75mm on the American tanks like the Sherman was infinitely better all around as a weapon as it could engage soft targets, as unlike in video games the vast majority of targets for a tank are not other tanks but infantry, artillery, bunkers and soft skinned vehicles etc and AP ammo is bloody useless in those situations and against these targets all the crusader had was a machine gun that simply doesn't cut it when you are up against an dug in AT gun
True, the lack of HE rounds was a big issue in all british tanks, but not specific to the Crusader (hence I neglected to mention it).
However its pretty bad form to say the 6 pounder can take out a Tiger at over 2000m because it happened once due to an insane fluke shot. In truth, using APCBC, penetrating the Tigers armor (which is a much more practical measurement) is only possible up to 500m.
Great vids, great way to be entertained while learning new things. Lose the G@*Damn music pls, thnx.
I'm sorry but "We Americans" get a lot more words right than you might think.
It was a shame the Tank was riddled with design flaws and reliability issues , as it was the only tank ( i feel) that the British made in WW2, that actually looked modern
Please ditch the music. For your cut sequences fine but while Chieftain is talking, ditch it.
An Art Deco tank! So pretty.
Miss darjeeling's precious tea will go cold!
if and its a big IF they had the 6pdr sabot and he armed crusader in 1941 the british would have defeated the italians
Interesting, I have never seen a tank with chicken pox 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The covenanter wasnt the best tank, far from it but if it comes to looks, especially at that time, it was a modern Aston Martin.
Air filter at back its getting ram air, more power, its a perfect design. Its not like it will ever operate in dusty environments
Nuffield's company had developed an engine for the Airspeed Oxford that promised much, although not for combat aircraft. The Chamberlain Government reacted in a panic to a newspaper's artificial outrage about profiteering by cutting the agreed price for the engine. Nuffield personally told the Government to stick it's contract where a monkey keeps it's nuts. He made sure an other company's engine would be available for the Oxford, but his own company's, better, engine died at that point..
This story is told in Neville Shute's autobiography; which also gives a chilling, first hand, description of the manslaughter (not his word) of the 48 people who were killed in the R101 airship crash. He worked for Vickers on the R100, which flew to Canada and back, and gives a frightening account of how pride, fear and stupidity sent the R101 off to India when it was not fit to leave the ground.
Shute is so out of fashion that he's just a random name to most; but if you have even the vaguest interest in the 1920's and 30's then you really should read Slide Rule
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_Rule:_Autobiography_of_an_Engineer
That'll be the same Neville Shute who wrote the English language's bleakest and most miserable novel, _On the Beach_ ? Glad to hear he was also capable of writing a book that _doesn't_ make the reader want to end it all in hopeless despair. (Although, that said, those examples sound like pretty big downers too. :)
I think tanks should tow an at-gun so they have something to defend themselves with after bailing out ;)
Bren Gun Carrier + any variants you can find in one video?
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He said the thing!!! He said the thing about aluminum!!! 😁
NO americans get aluminium wrong.
A: other elements and in IUM uranIUM zirconIUM europIUM aluminIUM
B: the reason americans miss the "I" is because there was a company that sold aluminium and marketed it as aluminum
+Billy Gray
Not the case at all. Aluminum was the original spelling. But changed in acccordance with other elements Humphry Davy named after the fact. Numerous other elements carry the "um" suffix such as Molybdenum.
Those look more like bolts than rivets. or is the armor plate just bolted over the interior structure?
I'm a simple man I like tanks. You should check out an Italian m series tank like an m13
+10, but Problem is theres only like 3 known left and none, iirc, in any sort of decent shape.
orbitalair eh no? There are several running models from the m series there is the famous hero m13 at El Alamein not to mention the military museum in Rome I think there are some in the north at maybe la spezia or in the south at toronto? They even have a bunch of semovente running around.
Original ones or replicas?
Lavrentivs orginals the Italian crews would lock the accelerator so they would keep driving forwards even if the crew died. So there was a ton of captured ones. Look up El Alamein italian hero tank mseries
Lavrentivs th-cam.com/video/a4CTt6ucAkE/w-d-xo.html check it our Italy made a decent amount of tanks in comparison to their planes