I have the AFM pinball and love it. Hopefully what Jon and Mel said is true and we will get the patch and be able to upgrade pcbs with wave 2. But untill then me and my wife think it is more fun that my marvel table. It's not perfect but it's fun as hell.. 👍
Yeah, I’m playing it and having fun with attack from Mars and medieval Madness. I think this would be a slam dunk if the resolution was a little bit better. I would pay to get an upgrade on the processor so they could increase the resolution. I don’t want to carry another large box up here again.
@@EvrydayErik that is the plan listening to Mel from zen studios and Jon from arcade 1up that we will be able to buy upgraded pcbs hopefully better resolution and wifi with a online store is the plan think. But fingers crossed.
ArI the high scores that show on the backboard local and online ? The local leaderboards are more important to me . The display of the high scores looks cool 😎
Those are local scores. There is no online scoring or online play. Arcade1up did give us an update that fixed the tables a couple years ago. I can’t remember how I got the update on the machine.
You can not expect to much for a $600 machine :) place in a bettter monitor and a PC and install Pinball X and you will be amazed! thanks for the video.
This is 2021. 720p resolution is totally unacceptable! The cabinet build itself and the artwork looks pretty good, I'll give it that. But it needs the guts ripping out and upgrading to a VPX system. And $600 is too expensive to do that. Might as well build your own. Which I did for less than £1000 for a 4K playfield and many toys including beacons, RGB flashers, strobes, fan, LED feedback, SSF. This thing is a joke for $600. I was never a pinball fan, either arcade or video. But with a decent PC and VPX I'm hooked. It really is pretty damn good and blows that thing out of the water.
@@EvrydayErik Just download VPX (it's all free). Latest version is 10.6 but people are now using 10.7 beta as it's close to being released and very stable. Then search TH-cam for installation advice. The BallerInstaller has just been released so for new people that's makes it a hella lot easier as it does everything in one go. I would advise just installing on desktop for a while first and get used to how it all works... adding tables etc. and learning where all the files go. Then when comfortable progess to putting a dedicated PC in a cabinet. This time last year I knew nothing about VPX. Started building my cabinet in July and had it done in August. I will warn you there is a LOT to learn. It is not plug and play like that thing you have. But it's not difficult and the results are far, far better.
The various Arcade1up pinball machines are now going for close to $800. Totally NOT worth that exorbitant price for what they are! If by chance I could grab one for about $300 I might consider it.
Unless you got a dud people on here complaining about this machine need to sack up. I’m 49 and had a couple plastic pinball games growing up that would make you cry or laugh (probably both) if you saw them. I don’t even play pinball anymore and this machine has me hooked. I bought it for my brother as a birthday/Xmas gift and he didn’t want it, so I kept it. The only complaint I have is the one table that doesn’t work right. The top and graphics are fine and the flippers seem a little “off” but it’s not a huge deal. Like somebody said it’s not regular pinball it’s digital pinball. It’s challenging and it’s been fun so far. No, it’s probably not worth $750 when you think about the computing power in a phone or game console now. But considering space and cost I would rather have this than a regular pinball in my house.
Hello, thanks for checking out the video. I have no buyers remorse. One of the games you talk about not working, have you downloaded the patch yet? It fixed most of the issues. Lately I’m having a problem with the accelerometer. I’m getting false nudges, which is a common problem. Again, I don’t regret having it, but it can be upgraded and probably will be by Arcade1up.
@@EvrydayErik Thanks for the reply. Went to the patch instructions and it’s windows only and I have a Mac. Looks like I’ll have to wait or get somebody with a windows laptop over here.
These vpins are relatively new and Im sure they’ll keep improving. Theres nothing like the real thing but for most people owning a real pin is just not practical- its expensive and if it breaks you better know how to fix it, if you can even find the parts. Plus you aren’t limited to just one game. I got the ALP and it is far from perfect but for the price I paid Im happy with it. This one has better games but its a little smaller than the atgames pinball. Again its not the real deal but its like 88% almost which is close enough for me
Yeah, attack from Mars and medieval madness. Are some of my favorite pinball games. Period I just wish there was better resolution here. And the G sensor went bad on mine and I still have to replace it. Really interested in what Atgames is doing. Their new 4K pinball might be worth getting.
Over the last year I've been lucky enough to be able to play around 40 real tables every few months. This has taught me that digital pinball is definitely not the same as the real deal, but also that it has come a long way and has improved substantially over the years. The latest Visual Pinball recreations by the VPinball Workshop collective for example are seriously impressive (for proof, check out its rendition of Bad Cats or G5K's Attack from Mars). So I guess the ideal solution would be to build your own digital pinball cabinet (if you can) or buy one of the pre-built full-size versions. The problem with the latter is that these can be (almost) as expensive as the real ones, the prices of which have unfortunately skyrocketed over the past three years or so (Covid-19 related I guess). The original AfM now goes for $9,000 to $12,000 and the remakes by Chicago Gaming Company are offered for similar prices. MM original is around $14,000 and the remakes from $11,000 all the way to $20K for the Royal Edition. There's currently an ad on Pinside asking for $24,500 for an RE with some lighting and toy upgrades.
The patch fixed the games I wasn’t really playing anyway. My G sensor went bad. They sent me a new one. That’s what controls the nudge. I was getting false nudges during gameplay and had to just turn it off. I don’t have buyers remorse, because I really love attack from Mars and medieval madness. I think it could use a couple upgrades in a next version. So I would probably just hold off.
I think you were right on mark with the review. I’m hoping changing out the plexiglass for real glass changes some of the clarity issue. And a patch from A1up for some of the playability. There is a free and easy mod to improve the solenoid haptics 👍 The A1up does grow on you after playing more. Also, the Arcade 1up machine should have little to no maintenance, a real Pinball machine has considerable amount of maintenance to keep it going. And the cost vs a real machine is excellent ! Just wish it was a little better
You’re right on with your comments. I do know how much the maintenance is on a real machine because my friend owns a bunch of his restaurant. He basically leases these machines and the maintenance is included. Yeah this table does grow on you, I think just a little more horsepower would’ve made this perfect. They also need to fix white water.
Yeah, I did update that patch and it did fix those glitches. Over the summer my G sensor went bad and they sent me a new one. But I haven’t been able to install it yet. I’m a big fan of some of these tables, so I still don’t have buyers remorse.
I’m glad I help, if you love attack from mars or medieval madness, I would recommend it just for those two. I hot the high score for Mars yesterday it was a thrill. I just wished it was in 1080. This is so close to being brilliant.
@@EvrydayErik yeah kinda like what atgames legends pinball is 1080p and 32' main playing field and it haves 15.6 inch LCD backglass and A1up wants $850 for this lol . and you can use a computer on a atgames legends pinball and you can play future pinball,VPX,FX3,Zaccaria, and so on . if i have $850 I'm buying a atgames legends pinball just saying i feel like you get more for your money
Thanks, I understand there’s nothing like a real pinball machine. My main complaint is really the resolution of the games. People say these games look great on the PC. So I think a little more horsepower here would sell the illusion.
Really want one of these but haven't gotten the chance to buy one. Good review. I will definitely set my expectations to a novelty furniture piece rather than an at home pinball solution, I think I will enjoy the unit much more if I dont expect a comparable pinball experience. Plus I'm used to pinball fx on switch so I know what I am paying for to some degree. Not even the highest end of pcs can recreate the feeling of real pinball.
Yeah, I think your expectations are in the right place. I’ll admit, part of the experience of Arcade1up machines is owning the good looking furniture, i mean cabinets/tables. I am getting more used to the experience, but nothing replaces a real table. Thanks for stopping by!
All good points made and nothing like the real thing but this virtual table is a good intro into the hobby and a way to get some feel for different pinball tables affordably. To have the real thing at home would run you about $50,000 to have all these tables.
When you put it that way, this is a great deal! People were saying in the comments that these games look better on PlayStation and their PC. That’s kind of disappointing, the games should have their full resolution here. I think that would go along way to selling the illusion of a Pinball Table.
You mentioned seeing a linear visual artifact, which you feel may be associated with the play field plex. There is a small number of people who can actually see polarization in LCD panels. Even if you replace the plex with glass, you're still going to see the polarization artifact. It's more noticeable at the shallow angles we view a Vpin from, whilst playing. Even though I'm legally blind, I've noticed I can sometimes make out the polarization in car windows, under certain conditions. I've even noticed the effect on a $900 flat panel, which nobody else could see, but one other person I know. I thought it was a flaw, but a manufacturing rep suggested I talk to an eye doctor, who did confirm that it was me, and not the screen. Regarding the nudge, you don't need to rock the table. You only need to thump the side of the table, to get the desired movement on the ball Rocking the table, forcibly, will input forces the accelerometer can't process, as they go beyond their rated detection values. I agree, the backbox marquee should've been square, like on your physical Attack from Mars table. I don't have this one, yet, but do have Marvel, and Star Wars pinball tables. I can't see the tiny, little DMD, and had to build a custom magnification rig. Thanks for sharing this.
Some other people have agreed with me and we do think it’s the actual plexiglass causing these lines. You only see it in certain situations and if you’re looking for it. I think glass would look better, but it would be heavier and this box was heavy enough for me. I don’t mind the back screen, it is a little washed but I’m good with it. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video!
@@EvrydayErik Well, I did make holograms, professionally, back in the 80s, and 90s, and noticed if I used glass plates that were too thin, or if the reference beam entered the plate at a very shallow angle, those lines were also recorded. I don't know if the side rails will allow for a thicker pane of glass. You might have to drill new holes, slightly higher up, to accommodate a thicker pane. I have seen that effect on a thin piece of plex, as well. Hope you get that artifact sorted.
Thanks for the great video Erik. I don't have expectations of it been as good as a real pinball table but I have to say that the gameplay looked great in your video. It looked really smooth. There are no arcades close by to me and I dont have space or money for full size real pinball. I have SW and Marvel on order and hopefully pick up AFM at some point. They look like a lot of fun
Yeah I probably should’ve clarified some things, but the video was getting super long. The gameplay is smooth. The ball physics works and I have no gripes about the flippers. I just think it needed a higher resolution or better graphics to bring some artificial depth into the playfield. But yeah, it plays well. Cheers!
@@EvrydayErik thanks for your reply Erik 😊 that's great to hear the physics and gameplay is smooth. I usually am such a graphics freak but I'm hoping that I forget about that once I get into a game. Cant wait to try it out. Never tried Vpin b4 and I honestly dont have the time to go building and tinkering. Keep up the great content dude , take care
All the game rooms in the malls near me closed for whatever reason. They reopened a game room recently at one of the malls but not one pinball machine. They are expensive to own and operate. The real pinball machines require constant maintenance (solenoids, bumpers, flipper actuators, lights). I’m sure the video version of it will be tons less maintenance but i don’t expect it to last more than 5 years. From what I’ve learned with electronics, they never last. My dad had a tube TV for decades. The electronic TVs that I buy don’t last more than 5 or 6 years and we’re talking descent brands (LG, Samsung). I will buy it for the experience and enjoy it for what it is.
@@EvrydayErik the one thing I like about the Atgames is a bigger screen and more games. However, I do not like anything connected via wifi or Bluetooth. Too easy for the company to send a signal to disable my product and force me to buy a new one.
My accelerometer? needed replaced. A1up dis send me one. But your’s stopped altogether?! I’ve heard about a few issues. I wonder if you can mod it into something better. Albeit, you shouldn’t have to.
Uh uh, not improving on what you said three years ago, I just bought this and although im diggin it, it’s no comparison to a real pinball machine. All the things you disliked including the resolution have not been improved three years later, i would be happy if just the resolution were bumped up.
Yeah, since I made this video, the G sensor on mine went bad. Arcade one did send me a replacement, but I never installed it. I was getting false nudges. On some of these machines that G sensor just gets loose but you have to go inside and assemble it better. I’m selling mine, I bought the new Atgames legends 4K. I’m really enjoying that one. There’s some slight flipper lag on Addams family, but it’s mostly a good experience. Hopefully you got a good price on this, the games that comes with our classics. If you haven’t done it already, arc one did offer a patch which fixed some of the issues with a few of those tables.
@@EvrydayErik glad you like the Legends machine, now im definitely going to check that one out, regarding the accelerometer in the attack machine, I won’t be shaking it around, i was never a shaker. It seems the less I know aboit the flaws the more I enjoy the machine, when im in the game I sort of forget the flaws but it would be nice to have more resolution.
Flipper lag is a deal breaker. I was basically told to deal with it. I countered by asking how any serious online gamer would respond to 1/4-1/2 second shooting lag
I’ve heard about this issue, it hasn’t bothered me, but I’m not that good. I had the nudge sensor go bad in mine and I have a replacement part someday I have to install. This machine is a cool idea, but it definitely needs an upgrade.
Junkyard has issues as well. The flippers aren't strong enough to reach the higher ramps. See if you have that same problem as well. They have lots of issues to patch and hopefully they do it in a timely manner otherwise mine is getting sold.
Oh man, I didn’t play too much junkyard yet. I remember playing this one as a kid but I haven’t played it in years. I think they said they want to do one big patch fixing everything so it might take longer.
Thanks for the honest review. I also dont get things for free. So I can stay honest.I made a temp table with a 1080p 32 inch tv, old desk that could fit a 32 inch in portait mode, then put some nice arcade Perpetuals. After this review, I think its best I hold on to my selfmade. Until a new iteration comes out that is worth the 550 to 600 price point. Thanks again for a real review. Ill just stick to buying more DLC off FX3 Pinball and feed it through my steam machine.
Ya, I’d hold off until the inevitable version 2 comes out. I just really love some of these tables and the look of the build and had to pick it up. I am playing it and enjoying it, just wish the game was in 1080 and bug free. It should be for the price. Thanks for stopping by!
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4K play field is obviously much better in a custom cab. I'm sure cost was a factor for Arcade1up in both screen and hardware, but it does make all the difference that many would pay for.
For sure, I would pay for it. At first I was maybe blaming the game itself, but people say it looks a lot better on their PC so I’ll take their word for it.
@@EvrydayErik Can not do video responses any more These are not terribly high quality videos, just quick demos of things i am or was building all be be played on a self build or purchased vpin cabinet. These are running in the visual pinballX engine th-cam.com/video/qlD5hG-MimM/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/aGaNH4tIr_0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/H35_8ug6QKo/w-d-xo.html None of these are great resolution videos nor are they good game play vids, plus they are of things i am or was making, and i dont claim to be the best designer Check out the world of VPX channel for better videos th-cam.com/channels/AWH0DTLwUrDzvHbAglV1pg.html And no, you dont have to spend $7000 to get a cabinet, many people have made one for less than the 1up cost you
Oh man, what broke on your Star Wars? The G sensor for the nudge stopped working on my attack from Mars. I was getting false nudges. They did send me a replacement part, but it’s a real bitch to put in there. It’s going to be an all day project some day.
No, there’s no upgrades here. These are the Zen tables you can play on your switch or on your PC. The problem is, they’re running 780 on a 1080 screen, that kind of sucks.
You're expecting too much for 600.00. real pinball machines are 3,000.00 to 6,000.00 (or higher in some cases) you can't expect 3,000.00 results for 600.00. also an easy fix on the feedback flipper feel is to simply unscrew them and relocate them to the underside of top black section that your hands rest on (original wiring is long enough to reach). I love this machine. People who are this picky should really just be buying a real pinball machine. 600.00 is not alot of money in today's economy. I bought a riding lawn mower for 2,500.00 and it was a piece of shit (john deere brand) then I finally got one for 3,900.00 and it works great. Things are expensive now a days, you get what you pay for. If you want the real deal or experience you have to pay for it. Don't buy a Honda if you want Mustang performance.
@@EvrydayErik I have the actual WH2O machine. The ball physics are pretty bad on this table with 1up. Most of these tables have high scores that are easily obtainable. Real pinball machines come preloaded with high scores designer initials when you buy them so I think they wanted to replicate the authenticity.
Hell I would just take a 1080 presentation. The 720 resolution on the software isn’t doing the job and the screen is already 1080. Must be a processor issue. But if they could do 4K, I’d be all in. The screen size actually doesn’t bug me.
I used to own a real pinball machine (NBA Fastbreak) and of course its impossible to compare with a digital machine. BUT...real pinball VINTAGE machines - the ones with 20+ years - are hard to maintain. The playfield is filled with little dents and marks that affects the game, theres always broken or loose cosmetic pieces that are almost impossible to find (or really expensive), and you need a good technician to go to your place every 6 months to make a check up. Theres the termites (big problem on any old wood cabinet) and the last HUGE problem: need to move the machine to a new place? Better call 4 friends! These old machines weights almost 400lbs and WILL BREAK! So i really dig these digital ones, but lets wait for the second generation. 1080p is a must!
Great table. Yeah, there’s nothing like a real pinball machine. But they’re far from perfect and not well-suited for my place. It should be an easy upgrade for Arcade1up, just give me a better screen resolution. I liked everything else.
Not to mention the cost. It's interesting that I see old video games for as little as $300, but it's tough to find anything under 2k for even vintage machines. And for something that is actually considered somewhat desirable, you can easily double that figure as an entry level price. If you're just looking for a little fun in your basement or garage, these things are worth a look. Hell, the last vacation we took to Gattlinburg for 5 days cost us $3500, I would have had way more fun with one of these tables for 800 bucks.
Yep got mine Saturday and sold it today for 750. I also play real pinball weekly at my local bar. This arcade 1up AFM plays horrible in comparison. Slight flipper lag was annoying and most screen were way too washed out. Good review I completely agree.
Yeah, if you play the real thing, going to this is a big shock. The actual machine looks good for the most part. Oh I’m probably going to keep it because it looks cool in my little arcade and I am playing it. But it’s not gonna keep me away from the real arcade. Thanks for checking out the video!
Yeah, the kind of haptic feedback for the flippers is going to make this machine less than a higher-end machine. (I own three 1Ups myself. And like the arcade versions.)
The visual looks pretty drab, looks like the really cheaped out on the display or just didn't bother at all with the graphics. Such a same since the unit seems really well built.
There is a lot of play value here. But the visuals suffer because they’re not in 1080 P, they’re in 720 which sucks. It’s hard to make out what’s going on on the table if you’re not familiar with the real machine. I also had problems with my G sensor, which provides the nudge affect. But they sent me a replacement part. This is a common issue apparently
I hear you, I enjoy that evil madness and I’m trying to get better at attack from mars. I hear the Atgames Legends Pinball is a lot better, too bad they don’t have these tables.
Hey, thank you and welcome! I put all my arcade one up reviews into my Arcade1up playlist. If you’re looking for my thoughts on another cab, it might be there.
@@EvrydayErik No, the song is not playing, but I saw the text pop up on the Marquis while you were playing Junkyard. I thought it was funny. At least, that is what I think I saw.
It uses the whole screen but not the whole surface area. There’s a border around the screen that makes it sunken in a bit. Honestly I’m cool with that it’s just that the resolution is so bad there’s no depth to any of these tables.
I really like mine BUT I can't recommend until there is a patch to fix/ adjust the high scores, White Water, and my AFM table high scores don't scroll. Question does your HS menu on Attack From Mars scroll? I got saucer champion when I got the second place score but I never see my initials on that score because it doesn't scroll to it. Erik MAKE SURE you open a ticket with Arcade1up, because the person seemed pretty dismissive of my concerns
When you’re done with the game the high scores do go up and down and show the grand champion at the top and the ruler of the universe on the bottom. When you’re in the main menu and you can flip through the games it does scroll up and down the same way.
It’s insane you keep wasting your money on this garbage. When will people stop supporting arcade 1up until they make a machine that is great right out of the box no mods! Any other company on earth would be out of business by now releasing this sub standard junk. Seriously
This was not a great review. You don't know the terminology for the pinball tables such as solenoid (much less how to say it properly) and ramps. You took no time to understand the rules for the tables, yet comment on them. And the ball "jumping around" on WH2O was how the ball exits the pop bumpers on the real table too. Take your time if you are going to try and do a review like this.
Should be mostly analog like real rolling pinball balls and flips, ects not all digital screen...👎 great review though! I'm going to get a 1up Galaga and tempest since both were my favorites! 1up should make robotron that was a hard game but that's why I liked it
Yeah I’m a big fan of Robotron, it would be interesting to see what they would pair that with. My biggest complaint is that this is in 720. It would be much better in 1080. Also, I’m having trouble with the G sensor and I’m getting false nudges now. Time to start a ticket with Arcade1up.
All good. Just some friendly ribbing. I gotta be honest I really want one of these machines but I find myself just playing my Gotlieb and Williams collection on my PS4 still. I will never pull the trigger on an Ultra VP ($9k) so I have to settle for something like this. Although I am kinda interested in that At Games mini pinball
Glad I watched this, It doesn't look good to play. It should be way more clear and I would rather pay another 50 to 100 to have a full screen on top that mimics a real pinball machine and not a small screen. Seeing the Attack from mars above the playing field while playing other games kills me
I’m still nowhere I have it. I thought the smaller screen was going to bother me but it doesn’t. But, the lower resolution does. These games should be in 1080 P but they’re only and 720. I’m curious when Arcade1up is going to do an upgraded version.
Yes, i’m pretty sure those are going to be on the next offering. Those are some very good pinball machines. Hopefully they upgrade the software. I am having fun with it, so I would probably pick up another one.
Thanks for sharing your nostalgia with us. My favorite pinball machines is "Black Hole" and "Hercules". I totally understand where your complaints are coming from, having been born in 1967, I've lived through probably the best age of Arcades and really miss them. It was awesome going into the dimly lite room full of brightly lit video and pinball machines and get lost for hours and hours. Arcades like Drive-Inns, and Roller Rinks are never truly going to replaced with their digital counter parts, even if V.R. really improves unless some sort of Matrix like connection can be made. Anyway thanks for sharing your love of Pinball and your opinion on Arcade1Ups1Up. P.S. Steam has an interesting pinball game system, that I believe can be ported over to Arcade1Ups1Ups Pinball, called Zaccria Pinball. Maybe you can check that out and see if it improves the experience. I just bought into it myself so having tried it yet, but if it sucks I'll update this comment and let you know.
Update. Just played 4 different retro pinball machines and while it does have some glitches here and there, it's very responsive and has features like changing orientation (i.e. portrait or landscape), blank high scores, a global high score so you can see how other people are doing, simulation and arcade modes, a lot of configuration settings for looks, ray tracing, glass quality, etc. The tables themselves look very well desided, authentic and with perspective on they have a lot of visual depth. I heard that you can run Zaccria Pinball on the 1up, but don't remember the content creator who set theirs up to work with it. Just something to let you know about. Again thanks for taking the time to create a very well done video about your experiences with Arcade1Ups Pinball!
Thanks, I will check out the steam system. Black hole was amazing! I think he would need to go at least 1080 and resolution to pull that one off. I’ve never played Hercules but it looks like a lot of fun I I enjoy having this table in my mini arcade for the nostalgia. There real close to pulling off something cold here, I just think it needs a better CPU and resolution. Thanks for checking out my video and keep me posted!
I bought the Star Wars model when these first released and really enjoyed it....then I started opening my eyes to what vpin could be and how far these machines are from that. I sold the Star Wars model when the price jump hit, so I made all of my money back that I had spent and reinvested that into the AtGames Legends. I found an old Dell Optiplex and threw an Nvidia 1650 in it and was on my way with OTG mode. It was a world of difference mainly with the larger playfield (32" vs 24", but also having a full video board for the backglass as well as a higher resolution. Count in the ability to push the graphics to the max for FX3 and I was very happy. Then I discovered VPX and PInupPopper and haven't looked back. Since then I've added some haptic feedback to the AtGames and it replicates the real feel of the tables extremely well. Not a lot of investment either, since VPX is free.
I took notes on everything you wrote. I’ll check it out. I would’ve went with the Atgames Legends, but mars attacks and medieval madness are two of my favorite pinball games so I got suckered into buying this even though I know there’s better product out there. I don’t have any buyers remorse because it is fun, but I really wish it was in 1080. The 720 is rough.
@@EvrydayErik There are versions of Attack From Mars and Medieval Madness that are on VPX and replicate the actual tables really well, even better than FX in my opinion. If you end up going down the rabbit hole, highly recommend Wagner's Tech Talk, he does a great job of walking you through it step by step. I really enjoy your channel, and your honest opinion.
@@StLounatic OK, thank you. I think I just might jump down that rabbit hole. I’ll check out that channel. If I can get an upgraded version of those two, I’d be very happy.
@@EvrydayErik Sorry I don't have a video. I installed two in the front and two in the back on inside walls. Unfortunately at the moment there is a load high ptiched buzz happening. It's also happening with the subwoofer i put in too. Might need a noise cancelling device hopefully. Strange. I have subwoofer in some of my arcade cabinets using the stock speakers and it works great. Again hopefully i can get it to work out because the added woofer and exciters so much better. Minus the buzz. Haha
Sounds like a fair review. It was finally available again at BB for ordering and shipping last night so I decided to get it. Rumor has it they are working on a patch to address Whitewater, the nudge, and the screens being too bright so hoping they do that. I'm not expecting an authentic pinball experience, I am expecting a video pinball experience.
Yeah, it’s fun, I’m playing medieval Madness and finally got a good high score in that one where it would save it. I enjoy playing attack from mars as well.
Yeah, those are the only two I’ve been playing just because I already have the layout of the tables memorized. When I try to play some of the other ones I don’t know too much, it’s a real struggle. Those are the two best tables on here.
@@EvrydayErik It's odd but I can't find the over-all dimensions on the web, just the size of the playfield. I think I have a spot I can fit this in, in one of my game rooms but I just wanted to be sure. Where I want to put it, there's a door that opens up into the space.
I have this virtual pinball and I have a real Stern pinball. You have very similar issues on new pinball machines made today as you do on virtual pinball Every product has bugs when it comes out. I think other than some iffy graphics at times id rather have bugs on my $570 arcade1up pinball vs the bugs I've experienced on my $8000 Stern pinball
That’s true, it looks like a NASA control room under that stern pinball table. I play the Arcade1up 10 ball table, I just wish it wasn’t 1080 P and bring out the depths more. I went back to the arcade and the software really does not emulate the ball physics of that table very well. It’s a different game. Thanks for stopping by, cheers!
Interesting video, I didn`t know just how crap these things really were. So glad that I just built my own 27" 120 fps custom Pinball Machine with gaming grade PC inside. They have cut so many corners on this build. They should have ditched the feedback or even the `real plunger` and just built the machine with better hardware overall and defo a 27" IPS playfield screen too and for more money they could have sold a more expensive version perhaps thathad a monitor for the backglass ......... that version would be a reasonable machine worth bothering to mod for all the modders out there instead of this rubbish .... ha ha
I have no regrets about buying it. Like I said, it’s got two of my favorite pinball machines on it, so I love having it here. But yes, it could be a hell of a lot better very easily. You just needed to be in 1080, 720s a little rough.
@@EvrydayErik Yeah, don`t get me wrong, even though I`d never buy their products I applaud them all the same for popularising ARcade related stuff to more of the masses. But here I think that 720p, especially for a Pinball is very bad, probably cos they cheaped out on the tech hardware so much that it couldn`t pull 60 fps at 1080p which has to be a must for any pin that isn`t a really cheap toy
Well thanks for the review. I have a few problems thought. I really feel like you came in to this machine with a false expectation. What I mean by that is You cant expect a $500 machine to be anywhere near the $15000 counterpart. Thats kinda like expecting your plastic model car to have the same features of its real life car. Second its 80million not 80thousand. lol. As far as high scores go there are always scores present. Very rarely do you see a bunch of blank scores just so you can put yours up. That just doesnt happen. Third the solenoids are not for sound they are for feel. So wanting them to turn up the volume on them is also a really bad expectation. Like it or not this is a video game. It is in no way a real pinball. Now yes it has similarities but again you cant expect it to be identical. It just felt like once you cracked open the box your feeling was negative. Like when you said the table Junk Yard just looks like a bunch of junk on the screen. Im pretty sure thats intentional. Also like the real machines you have to figure out what to do on each table. THats part of learning the tables. I think you have been listening to way to many youtubers with negative feelings about this table and other example. You showed the White Water and said "trust me" its there. Lol I didnt see it. So if you didnt really see it at least in the vid you showed us then how is your opinion being formed? Lastly what really was funny is that you went to a real arcade and played the real machine then based much of your opinion off that. Thats like me test driving a BMW and then buying the remote control car version and complaining that it doesn't have the same features and driving capabilities. I think if you take this cab for what it is which is a video game representation of a real pinball. Then you would like it a lot more. Its cool though its your opinion but I just think you came at it wrong and not with an open mind.
For 600 bucks I expected a little more horsepower under the hood to run the game at it’s full resolution. I don’t have much of a problem with anything else. It’s just that the games look messy and one dimensional. I hear they look fantastic on other platforms so this is very disappointing.
Yeah I do return to his machine and play it often. I am one of those people that are having trouble with the G sensor. I’m getting ghost nudges and it’s a little annoying. It comes and goes, but I’m gonna have to contact Arcade1up support and see if I can get a new sensor.
Video game pinball is like video game tennis . It’s not same as real tennis . The ball is moving according to a computer program , not random so that’s why it sucks balls
Arcade 1up needs to make some upgrades to this version. I'd start with a clear 1080 playfield instead of 720. Upgrade to 32" instead of 24" display. Replace Roadshow with Funhouse and add Monster Bash.
That’s it Terry! I think you just described my dream arcade1up virtual pinball machine! I still enjoy this one, but yeah there’s a lot of room for improvement.
Other people have beat me and made videos. I finally downloaded the update yesterday and it does do everything it says. White water is finally playable. I also like how you can adjust the accelerometer. The graphics are still the same resolution, but I think it did fix some frame rate issues on a couple games. The worst part of downloading the patch is that it erased all of my high scores. I don’t think I’m ever going to get To mars again in attack from Mars, so that sucks.
Some thoughts... How is it that the resolution 720 and not 1080 or 4K in year 2021? I think higher resolution would make a big improvement. As I understand it, there’s no ability to add more tables. But it’s all software, so I guess users are prevented for adding more tables due to licensing/legalities. If that’s the case, too bad. I’d be willing to pay for more tables if they were available for download. Anyway, it’s still a neat concept and would be interested in trying it out. Will be interesting to see how Arcade1Up evolves them. Thanks for putting the review together.
Yeah I pretty much agree with everything you’re thinking and saying. I expected a lot more horsepower under the hood. And I think it is time to make these things compatible with downloading games and going online.
I don't own one yet, but have been kicking the idea around, and I agree, they missed a lot of opportunities here. Real glass, wifi updates, 1080p, better solenoids- I'd pay 2 or 3 hundred more dollars for that. Downloadable games for purchase, , online leader boards, head to head remote play etc- those upsells could have justified charging a bit more and guaranteeing Arcade1Up a little money on the backend. From a business perspective, this sounds like the marketing and sales teams could have made this more exciting and profited more in the process.
@kevinmach730 yeah, there’s definitely room for improvement. My sensors went bad that handle the nudge. I was getting false nudges. Arcade1up did send me a replacer sensor, but it’s pretty involved to replace and I haven’t got around to it yet.
This is embarrassing and a waste of money. 1uparcade should not even use the word "ARCADE". People who own these ridiculous games should never say they have an arcade gameroom if you do not own REAL Arcades and Pinball Machines.
Thanks for this Eric. I was thinking about it. But after this vid, I can’t drop 600 bones on this. Maybe with goofy glasses and a 3D monitor?? I don’t know. Hard to replace true pinball physics and sounds.
Yeah, my main complaint is the resolution. There is no sense of death here so it’s hard to tell what should be physical pieces and the flat playing field.
I just picked one of these up and I'm pretty happy with it. It's about what I expected though. I love the arcade, I've ran arcades, I grew up in arcades, but I'd never want real arcade machines in my house unless I had unlimited money and space. That's why I've enjoyed the Arcade1Up stuff, even though they company has a lot of faults, their products still scratch the right itch. Seems like the pinball machines were an interesting experiment for them, but I'm not sure if they'll continue with it. Seems like they can hardly keep up with what they've got going on now.
Yeah, I think you nailed it. These things do scratch that itch. I love having my little arcade area. I know I’m overpaying, but I also like how these things look, the size is perfect. My son is starting to appreciate them, he loves the Star Wars cabinet.
Well, if you're talking an actual physical table, that would be hard to download. 😁 But I'll admit to trying a video pin or two. How else are you gonna try Baby Pac-Man these days? But my FX3 Steam library (And 1990's CD's) show I pay for what I can, when I can.
I like the old Doc Savage books, btw. This machine is cute and I do probably play it more than my other cabinets. My G sensor went bad and I just got a replacement. There’s room for upgrades here and I’m sure they’re gonna offer a deluxe version for more money. I don’t have any buyers remorse.
I have 3 Williams machines in the living rooms but I honestly think these would be cool for my two kids rooms....plus easily fit through the doors on their rooms. Now to find 2. 🤷🏼♂️
First of all I’m jealous. I do like the size of this virtual pinball table, yes it fits easily along side my other cabinets. I love all the physical things going on here I just wished the graphics had more resolution and depths. It’s fine, so I think they would enjoy it.
I love my SW Pinball. I have no nostalgia for real pinball. My only memories are of broken mechanisms and lost quarters. Virtual pinball is all that saved the form factor for me. So the price is perfect entry...and Star Wars is one of my favorite IPs. I did replace glass and it helped visuals way more than I thought. Worth it.
OK, so I guess I am right that the plastic plexiglass is making those lines. Yeah maybe I just need to get used to virtual Pinball. Maybe some thing like the Star Wars Pinball is designed the better so you can figure out what’s going on. I think this software is trying to cram too much onto the screen and it kind of scrambled my brain. Thanks for stopping by!
@@EvrydayErik you are right about the lines. My review on this is from a casual pinball person mindset. If you are like me you will probably love it. I think comparing real tables is a big mistake for the real pinball fan base. That is why it seems the worst reviews I have noticed is always for the Attack From Mars table. These are not pinball. Its like comparing real warfare to paintball. While visually it reminds you of it and reaching that goal of victory can still be exhilarating...it is still not the same. For someone like me it is perfect. Take racing games for example...we all loved them growing up the past few decades. It is nothing like real racing or driving in general. We do prefer better simulations but we can still bust out something like out run and enjoy it. Because we were exposed to the game first generally speaking. So we are not always turning around saying...this is not like real racing.
I understand that. I use to work at a Time Out and damn I hated the damn near daily upkeep of pinball machines. I would never want one in my house. They are pretty, and fun when they work but a pain in the ass for upkeep.
Yeah its not consistent...thats why it doesn't have near the same price tag as a real or real good vintage unit...do you know how much a repair or replacement part is on a real pin ball machine? If your lucky for parts and time its $300
Oh yeah I couldn’t afford a real machine with the maintenance. I did play this one a lot. However, I’m getting the ghost nudges so I have a problem with the G sensor. I’m going through that process and started a ticket with Arcade1up. A lot of people are having that issue apparently. There is a lot of place value here, I just wish it had a little more polish and a higher resolution presentation. But we all know Arcade1up is going to come up with the improved version soon, and I’ll probably buy it.
Yeah, it’s like a cute toy version of the real thing. I don’t regret having it because I like two of these tables. But it’s never going to replace the real deal.
I think your issue is the screen. At 720p you can't really get the depth that you could on a 4k screen. I own 60+ tables from fx3 and at 1080p there is much more depth. Turning off the animations, in my opinion, is the absolute wrong thing to do. Its what Zen studios is known for. Its like taking half of your game away. Couple that with a 720p screen experience and you might as well be playing pong, in my opinion. I still can't understand why they couldn't have used 1080p. Other manufacturers were able to do that for the same price point. So again, in my opinion, arcade1up was just pure lazy on this one. Sadly I'm still waiting on my marvel table that ordered like 2 months ago. So coming from playing fx3 in 1080p, I know I'm going to be a little disappointed in the graphics but I'm hoping the experience will be there.
Yeah I really don’t have any complaints with the physical table or the controls. I have a feeling their generation two tables are going to have better resolution and I’m going to end up selling this one and upgrading. It would be great if they could just sell one upgrade kit because I think the screen is 1080 it’s just that the processor is giving you 720.
Yeah, you’re totally right. 850 is crazy for this. I just downloaded the patch that we finally got, and it does fix all the tables. I think Arcade1up is losing focus.
Im so glad you pointed out those weird lines that im also seeing from the plexi glass on my AFM pinball table. I am definitely replacing with the proper glass. Its distracting for me to see the lines during gameplay.
Yeah, I don’t think anyone pointed that out in their video. I wasn’t sure what was going on the first. I will definitely look into that down the road. I can’t blame them for using plexiglass because that box was pretty heavy as it was.
Ok so I have marvel and just got attack in the mail finally. I’m nit happy though. I knew white water had issues. But marvel plays so much smoother than this. Maybe I have a bad machine?? Anyone have both and notice this? The biggest issue is the display has noticeable vertical lines throughout the entire display. Probably around 100 vertical distorted lines. Has anyone else seen this issue or do I have a deductive display or PCB board?
I have horizontal lines, but I think that’s from the plexiglass. I don’t see any vertical lines so you may have an issue after all. Everything on my machine plays pretty good except white water. Start a ticket with Arcade1up, sorry to hear you had a problem.
Great review man I’d still like to get my hands on one of these if possible - I built one several years back & had some fun with it but it looked pretty ghetto and you couldn’t play a game without getting splinters or cut/pinched by my shoddy work 😄
Hahaha, thanks, it sounds like you would still do better than me. I would love to build one too, but I know it would be a massive project and probably a failure. The more I play this one, it’s growing on me.
The one dimensional display was kind of surprising to see. Other versions of the Zen pinball tables on PS4, Xbox etc are all in 3D. Even the Nintendo 3DXL tables are all in 3D. Then it just occurred to me that Arcade 1Up are probably using a low spec processor that will only support a one dimensional implementation of the tables. If all of the tables were displayed in 3D, this would be a very cool virtual pinball table.
I don’t have any issues with the flipper lag. I think the game plays well enough, I got to Mars and then screwed it up there. It just plays different than the real pinball machine. My only issues were the low resolution of the software. And my G sensor for the nudge stopped working correctly and I was sent a replacement. But I haven’t really replaced it yet because it’s involved. All that said, this does have a lot of replay value.
The ball does some pretty wonky stuff. I went back to my RK to do some ball testing, to see how the mall bounces off of certain things and the video game doesn’t really capture the real thing very well.
Hey! I bought an Atgames Legends Pinball and I LOOOOOOVE IT!! I hooked my computer up to it and I can play all the Zen Studio tables as well as video pinball versions of popular tables such ad Medieval Madness or Attack from Mars. If you can get a chance to try it, I think you'll prefer it to the Arcade 1up machines. The Atgames Legends pinball machine is easily upgradeable. I love to tinker with it. I greatly recommend it!
Believe it or not I don’t have a personal gaming computer right now. But I would love to do what you did. yeah, the Arcade1up pinball is more of a toy. The Atgame legends mod is definitely real virtual pinball! I’m jealous, I’ll have to look into it.
Hello and good morning. I was planning on picking up one of the three pinball offerings from Arcade1up. Do you know if they have released any software updates for the tables?
Yes, they did release the software update for attack from ours. I can’t speak to the other ones because I don’t on those. It did fix the bugs. I have a problem with my accelerometer, which is responsible for the tilt, but I’m looking into some options for that. It might be fixable. Overall, I do enjoy having this and it is fun
I wouldn’t want that. But the 720 resolution is really a setback for this. The software is in 1080 and it would behoove them to just project the proper resolution.
It’s just so hard to simulate the player being one with the machine when it comes to pinball. The clicking and clacking and feeling of electro-mechanical functions being performed under the table.
Oh yeah, none of that is in this machine. They tried with the accelerometer and the celluloids, But they’re not there yet. I really just do wish this was in 1080P, which is the resolution of these games anyway. I’m familiar with the machines so it it’s OK, but a little more resolution would create some depth I think on the screen.
@@EvrydayErik I’d be interested in a Tales of the Arabian Nights release. That’s one of my favorite tables. I was surprised to see it’s included in the pack. Fighting the Genie to rescue the princess at the end is intense.
Personally instead of buying all of these crappy arcade1up imitations I think you should save your money and just get one genuine arcade machine / pinball machine
Good review but I cringe every time I see the term “honest review”. It’s the same as when someone starts a sentence with “let me be honest with you...”
For virtual pinball you really need a 4k screen.......I built my own and with 4k, real leaf-switches for flippers, and a playfield monitor that has very low screen refresh rates, there is no flipper lag. Is it like a real pinball? No but I cannot afford a 15k AFM. This is the next best thing. With Visual Pinball X installed, there are hundreds of tables emulated. This arcade 1up thing probably doesn't have the computer resources or graphics to run VPX in 4k.
I watched a lot of videos and read a lot on the various virtual pinball forums. There's some really detailed instructions. For the first few months, I just used 2 computer screens, to get the software part in order. Eventually I found a local guy who has a CNC machine and he built the cabinet for me. (I'm not too good at building stuff). I started with a 1080P playfield monitor but eventually got a good deal on an Acer 32" 4K monitor and the difference in look and feel was immediate. Everything popped, you can read the apron cards, the resolution is incredibly good and the the version of AFM that I have installed is very good.......still not like a real pin but acceptably good. I would maybe see if you can mod your arcade1up cabinet.......I think I've seen some videos of people doing this so they can install VPX and have a better screen. Good luck........
Thx for the honest review. Picked mine up today, my first video pinball machine. Talk about buyer's remorse. I feel horrible. I intentionally held off buying the Star Wars unit due to all the hype I kept hearing about AFM. I sooo want to sell this tomorrow. 😥
Hopefully a grows on you. Medieval Madness is a lot of fun and I’m trying to get better at attack from Mars but it is very hard. I’m not really playing any of the other games. I think you could sell this and get most of your money back
Just got mine. I freaking love it! I think everyone's complaints are valid but for the money it is a huge upgrade over playing on my switch.
Cool! I am playing it a lot. It’s fun! I’m glad you are enjoying it and are issue free. Cheers!
I have the AFM pinball and love it. Hopefully what Jon and Mel said is true and we will get the patch and be able to upgrade pcbs with wave 2. But untill then me and my wife think it is more fun that my marvel table. It's not perfect but it's fun as hell.. 👍
Yeah, I’m playing it and having fun with attack from Mars and medieval Madness. I think this would be a slam dunk if the resolution was a little bit better. I would pay to get an upgrade on the processor so they could increase the resolution. I don’t want to carry another large box up here again.
@@EvrydayErik that is the plan listening to Mel from zen studios and Jon from arcade 1up that we will be able to buy upgraded pcbs hopefully better resolution and wifi with a online store is the plan think. But fingers crossed.
ArI the high scores that show on the backboard local and online ? The local leaderboards are more important to me . The display of the high scores looks cool 😎
Those are local scores. There is no online scoring or online play. Arcade1up did give us an update that fixed the tables a couple years ago. I can’t remember how I got the update on the machine.
You can not expect to much for a $600 machine :) place in a bettter monitor and a PC and install Pinball X and you will be amazed! thanks for the video.
I just bought the Atgames legends 4K. I’m happy.
This is 2021. 720p resolution is totally unacceptable! The cabinet build itself and the artwork looks pretty good, I'll give it that. But it needs the guts ripping out and upgrading to a VPX system. And $600 is too expensive to do that. Might as well build your own. Which I did for less than £1000 for a 4K playfield and many toys including beacons, RGB flashers, strobes, fan, LED feedback, SSF. This thing is a joke for $600. I was never a pinball fan, either arcade or video. But with a decent PC and VPX I'm hooked. It really is pretty damn good and blows that thing out of the water.
I love to learn more about how to build my own. Do you have any suggestions?
@@EvrydayErik Just download VPX (it's all free). Latest version is 10.6 but people are now using 10.7 beta as it's close to being released and very stable. Then search TH-cam for installation advice. The BallerInstaller has just been released so for new people that's makes it a hella lot easier as it does everything in one go. I would advise just installing on desktop for a while first and get used to how it all works... adding tables etc. and learning where all the files go. Then when comfortable progess to putting a dedicated PC in a cabinet. This time last year I knew nothing about VPX. Started building my cabinet in July and had it done in August. I will warn you there is a LOT to learn. It is not plug and play like that thing you have. But it's not difficult and the results are far, far better.
The various Arcade1up pinball machines are now going for close to $800. Totally NOT worth that exorbitant price for what they are! If by chance I could grab one for about $300 I might consider it.
Yeah, and we all know they’re gonna come out with a version two that’ll fix some of the issues on the Gen ones. I would hold off.
but you paie 600$ for simulate over 75 000$ in pinball machines.
I would like the machine better if it was in the higher definition. Plus the sensor that controls the nudge broke on mine.
Unless you got a dud people on here complaining about this machine need to sack up. I’m 49 and had a couple plastic pinball games growing up that would make you cry or laugh (probably both) if you saw them. I don’t even play pinball anymore and this machine has me hooked. I bought it for my brother as a birthday/Xmas gift and he didn’t want it, so I kept it. The only complaint I have is the one table that doesn’t work right. The top and graphics are fine and the flippers seem a little “off” but it’s not a huge deal. Like somebody said it’s not regular pinball it’s digital pinball. It’s challenging and it’s been fun so far. No, it’s probably not worth $750 when you think about the computing power in a phone or game console now. But considering space and cost I would rather have this than a regular pinball in my house.
Hello, thanks for checking out the video. I have no buyers remorse. One of the games you talk about not working, have you downloaded the patch yet? It fixed most of the issues. Lately I’m having a problem with the accelerometer. I’m getting false nudges, which is a common problem. Again, I don’t regret having it, but it can be upgraded and probably will be by Arcade1up.
@@EvrydayErik Thanks for the reply. Went to the patch instructions and it’s windows only and I have a Mac. Looks like I’ll have to wait or get somebody with a windows laptop over here.
@@scottwilson940 yeah, they do have to fix that and stop ignoring ios
These vpins are relatively new and Im sure they’ll keep improving. Theres nothing like the real thing but for most people owning a real pin is just not practical- its expensive and if it breaks you better know how to fix it, if you can even find the parts. Plus you aren’t limited to just one game. I got the ALP and it is far from perfect but for the price I paid Im happy with it. This one has better games but its a little smaller than the atgames pinball. Again its not the real deal but its like 88% almost which is close enough for me
Yeah, attack from Mars and medieval madness. Are some of my favorite pinball games. Period I just wish there was better resolution here. And the G sensor went bad on mine and I still have to replace it. Really interested in what Atgames is doing. Their new 4K pinball might be worth getting.
Over the last year I've been lucky enough to be able to play around 40 real tables every few months.
This has taught me that digital pinball is definitely not the same as the real deal, but also that it has come a long way and has improved substantially over the years.
The latest Visual Pinball recreations by the VPinball Workshop collective for example are seriously impressive (for proof, check out its rendition of Bad Cats or G5K's Attack from Mars).
So I guess the ideal solution would be to build your own digital pinball cabinet (if you can) or buy one of the pre-built full-size versions. The problem with the latter is that these can be (almost) as expensive as the real ones, the prices of which have unfortunately skyrocketed over the past three years or so (Covid-19 related I guess).
The original AfM now goes for $9,000 to $12,000 and the remakes by Chicago Gaming Company are offered for similar prices.
MM original is around $14,000 and the remakes from $11,000 all the way to $20K for the Royal Edition.
There's currently an ad on Pinside asking for $24,500 for an RE with some lighting and toy upgrades.
Curious it’s been a year. Have they fixed and patched the games? All working now? Worth buying now or not?
The patch fixed the games I wasn’t really playing anyway. My G sensor went bad. They sent me a new one. That’s what controls the nudge. I was getting false nudges during gameplay and had to just turn it off. I don’t have buyers remorse, because I really love attack from Mars and medieval madness. I think it could use a couple upgrades in a next version. So I would probably just hold off.
I think you were right on mark with the review. I’m hoping changing out the plexiglass for real glass changes some of the clarity issue. And a patch from A1up for some of the playability.
There is a free and easy mod to improve the solenoid haptics 👍
The A1up does grow on you after playing more.
Also, the Arcade 1up machine should have little to no maintenance, a real Pinball machine has considerable amount of maintenance to keep it going.
And the cost vs a real machine is excellent ! Just wish it was a little better
You’re right on with your comments. I do know how much the maintenance is on a real machine because my friend owns a bunch of his restaurant. He basically leases these machines and the maintenance is included. Yeah this table does grow on you, I think just a little more horsepower would’ve made this perfect. They also need to fix white water.
Have you updated the table since the original review? Any improvements?
Yeah, I did update that patch and it did fix those glitches. Over the summer my G sensor went bad and they sent me a new one. But I haven’t been able to install it yet. I’m a big fan of some of these tables, so I still don’t have buyers remorse.
I'll take my chances with the at game legacy. Thanks for the review. It gave me a better idea 💡how it looks and play.
I’m glad I help, if you love attack from mars or medieval madness, I would recommend it just for those two. I hot the high score for Mars yesterday it was a thrill. I just wished it was in 1080. This is so close to being brilliant.
@@EvrydayErik awesome brother. I'm thinking about it. Because the the atgames pinball machines are better then the arcade 1up.
@@EvrydayErik yeah kinda like what atgames legends pinball is 1080p and 32' main playing field and it haves 15.6 inch LCD backglass and A1up wants $850 for this lol . and you can use a computer on a atgames legends pinball and you can play future pinball,VPX,FX3,Zaccaria, and so on . if i have $850 I'm buying a atgames legends pinball just saying i feel like you get more for your money
Great review but you are trying to compare a 10k pinball machine with a video game. I think for what they are trying to do, they do an ok job of it.
Thanks, I understand there’s nothing like a real pinball machine. My main complaint is really the resolution of the games. People say these games look great on the PC. So I think a little more horsepower here would sell the illusion.
Really want one of these but haven't gotten the chance to buy one. Good review. I will definitely set my expectations to a novelty furniture piece rather than an at home pinball solution, I think I will enjoy the unit much more if I dont expect a comparable pinball experience. Plus I'm used to pinball fx on switch so I know what I am paying for to some degree. Not even the highest end of pcs can recreate the feeling of real pinball.
Yeah, I think your expectations are in the right place. I’ll admit, part of the experience of Arcade1up machines is owning the good looking furniture, i mean cabinets/tables. I am getting more used to the experience, but nothing replaces a real table. Thanks for stopping by!
All good points made and nothing like the real thing but this virtual table is a good intro into the hobby and a way to get some feel for different pinball tables affordably. To have the real thing at home would run you about $50,000 to have all these tables.
When you put it that way, this is a great deal! People were saying in the comments that these games look better on PlayStation and their PC. That’s kind of disappointing, the games should have their full resolution here. I think that would go along way to selling the illusion of a Pinball Table.
have a great monday this was worth it
Have a great Tuesday!
You mentioned seeing a linear visual artifact, which you feel may be associated with the play field plex. There is a small number of people who can actually see polarization in LCD panels. Even if you replace the plex with glass, you're still going to see the polarization artifact. It's more noticeable at the shallow angles we view a Vpin from, whilst playing. Even though I'm legally blind, I've noticed I can sometimes make out the polarization in car windows, under certain conditions. I've even noticed the effect on a $900 flat panel, which nobody else could see, but one other person I know. I thought it was a flaw, but a manufacturing rep suggested I talk to an eye doctor, who did confirm that it was me, and not the screen. Regarding the nudge, you don't need to rock the table. You only need to thump the side of the table, to get the desired movement on the ball Rocking the table, forcibly, will input forces the accelerometer can't process, as they go beyond their rated detection values. I agree, the backbox marquee should've been square, like on your physical Attack from Mars table. I don't have this one, yet, but do have Marvel, and Star Wars pinball tables. I can't see the tiny, little DMD, and had to build a custom magnification rig. Thanks for sharing this.
Some other people have agreed with me and we do think it’s the actual plexiglass causing these lines. You only see it in certain situations and if you’re looking for it. I think glass would look better, but it would be heavier and this box was heavy enough for me. I don’t mind the back screen, it is a little washed but I’m good with it. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video!
@@EvrydayErik Well, I did make holograms, professionally, back in the 80s, and 90s, and noticed if I used glass plates that were too thin, or if the reference beam entered the plate at a very shallow angle, those lines were also recorded. I don't know if the side rails will allow for a thicker pane of glass. You might have to drill new holes, slightly higher up, to accommodate a thicker pane. I have seen that effect on a thin piece of plex, as well. Hope you get that artifact sorted.
1 up is the worst customer service. Expect 0
I’ve bothered them a lot of the years. I’ve been lucking with replacement parts. It’s definitely been an adventure.
Thanks for the great video Erik. I don't have expectations of it been as good as a real pinball table but I have to say that the gameplay looked great in your video. It looked really smooth. There are no arcades close by to me and I dont have space or money for full size real pinball. I have SW and Marvel on order and hopefully pick up AFM at some point. They look like a lot of fun
Yeah I probably should’ve clarified some things, but the video was getting super long. The gameplay is smooth. The ball physics works and I have no gripes about the flippers. I just think it needed a higher resolution or better graphics to bring some artificial depth into the playfield. But yeah, it plays well. Cheers!
@@EvrydayErik thanks for your reply Erik 😊 that's great to hear the physics and gameplay is smooth. I usually am such a graphics freak but I'm hoping that I forget about that once I get into a game. Cant wait to try it out. Never tried Vpin b4 and I honestly dont have the time to go building and tinkering. Keep up the great content dude , take care
All the game rooms in the malls near me closed for whatever reason. They reopened a game room recently at one of the malls but not one pinball machine. They are expensive to own and operate. The real pinball machines require constant maintenance (solenoids, bumpers, flipper actuators, lights). I’m sure the video version of it will be tons less maintenance but i don’t expect it to last more than 5 years. From what I’ve learned with electronics, they never last. My dad had a tube TV for decades. The electronic TVs that I buy don’t last more than 5 or 6 years and we’re talking descent brands (LG, Samsung). I will buy it for the experience and enjoy it for what it is.
@grazz7865 i’ve been looking at the Atgames legends 4K. I might pull the trigger on one of those.
@@EvrydayErik the one thing I like about the Atgames is a bigger screen and more games. However, I do not like anything connected via wifi or Bluetooth. Too easy for the company to send a signal to disable my product and force me to buy a new one.
My scoreboard and speakers never worked. I'm still waiting on support to send me the replacement parts.
Oh wow, the G sensor for the nudge went bad on mine.
What a Piece of Crap! Mine stopped working in less than 9 months. Of course, the warranty is only 90 days.
My accelerometer? needed replaced. A1up dis send me one. But your’s stopped altogether?! I’ve heard about a few issues. I wonder if you can mod it into something better. Albeit, you shouldn’t have to.
Uh uh, not improving on what you said three years ago, I just bought this and although im diggin it, it’s no comparison to a real pinball machine. All the things you disliked including the resolution have not been improved three years later, i would be happy if just the resolution were bumped up.
Yeah, since I made this video, the G sensor on mine went bad. Arcade one did send me a replacement, but I never installed it. I was getting false nudges. On some of these machines that G sensor just gets loose but you have to go inside and assemble it better. I’m selling mine, I bought the new Atgames legends 4K. I’m really enjoying that one. There’s some slight flipper lag on Addams family, but it’s mostly a good experience. Hopefully you got a good price on this, the games that comes with our classics. If you haven’t done it already, arc one did offer a patch which fixed some of the issues with a few of those tables.
@@EvrydayErik glad you like the Legends machine, now im definitely going to check that one out, regarding the accelerometer in the attack machine, I won’t be shaking it around, i was never a shaker. It seems the less I know aboit the flaws the more I enjoy the machine, when im in the game I sort of forget the flaws but it would be nice to have more resolution.
Flipper lag is a deal breaker. I was basically told to deal with it. I countered by asking how any serious online gamer would respond to 1/4-1/2 second shooting lag
I’ve heard about this issue, it hasn’t bothered me, but I’m not that good. I had the nudge sensor go bad in mine and I have a replacement part someday I have to install. This machine is a cool idea, but it definitely needs an upgrade.
Junkyard has issues as well. The flippers aren't strong enough to reach the higher ramps. See if you have that same problem as well. They have lots of issues to patch and hopefully they do it in a timely manner otherwise mine is getting sold.
Oh man, I didn’t play too much junkyard yet. I remember playing this one as a kid but I haven’t played it in years. I think they said they want to do one big patch fixing everything so it might take longer.
Thanks for the honest review. I also dont get things for free. So I can stay honest.I made a temp table with a 1080p 32 inch tv, old desk that could fit a 32 inch in portait mode, then put some nice arcade Perpetuals. After this review, I think its best I hold on to my selfmade. Until a new iteration comes out that is worth the 550 to 600 price point. Thanks again for a real review. Ill just stick to buying more DLC off FX3 Pinball and feed it through my steam machine.
Ya, I’d hold off until the inevitable version 2 comes out. I just really love some of these tables and the look of the build and had to pick it up. I am playing it and enjoying it, just wish the game was in 1080 and bug free. It should be for the price. Thanks for stopping by!
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4K play field is obviously much better in a custom cab. I'm sure cost was a factor for Arcade1up in both screen and hardware, but it does make all the difference that many would pay for.
For sure, I would pay for it. At first I was maybe blaming the game itself, but people say it looks a lot better on their PC so I’ll take their word for it.
Holy huge bezels Batman!
Lol, i’m thinking of several dad joke comebacks, but to be serious, the screen size and that bezel don’t bother me - Just that low resolution.
YEAH, HE SAID THE PHYSICAL CELLUNOID SHOULDA BEEN BETTER FEELING I GUESS???
It’s there, but it’s very light, it’s OK.
Get the ATgames pinball and get a decent computer and play ATM on that device, clear as a bell.... can read even the smallest print clearly
I was thinking about that. Can you also find/download the back screen to go with the main playing field when you do that?
@@EvrydayErik
Can not do video responses any more
These are not terribly high quality videos, just quick demos of things i am or was building
all be be played on a self build or purchased vpin cabinet.
These are running in the visual pinballX engine
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None of these are great resolution videos nor are they good game play vids, plus they are of things i am or was making, and i dont claim to be the best designer
Check out the world of VPX channel for better videos
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And no, you dont have to spend $7000 to get a cabinet, many people have made one for less than the 1up cost you
$600 or $9000? Of course they're not going to be that similar.
Ya, I don’t regret having it. That low software resolution still
bugs me.
1 up customer service non existence star wars broke attack from mars delivery on my porch yesterday I refused delivery!
Oh man, what broke on your Star Wars? The G sensor for the nudge stopped working on my attack from Mars. I was getting false nudges. They did send me a replacement part, but it’s a real bitch to put in there. It’s going to be an all day project some day.
@EvrydayErik I think it's the primary circuit board ,I have a steady red light no other lights.
Huh, so are these all basically enhanced Zen tables?
FX3? When the new FX comes out, does it include a free update to the new engine?
No, there’s no upgrades here. These are the Zen tables you can play on your switch or on your PC. The problem is, they’re running 780 on a 1080 screen, that kind of sucks.
Good, fair comments
Thanks!
You're expecting too much for 600.00. real pinball machines are 3,000.00 to 6,000.00 (or higher in some cases) you can't expect 3,000.00 results for 600.00. also an easy fix on the feedback flipper feel is to simply unscrew them and relocate them to the underside of top black section that your hands rest on (original wiring is long enough to reach). I love this machine. People who are this picky should really just be buying a real pinball machine. 600.00 is not alot of money in today's economy. I bought a riding lawn mower for 2,500.00 and it was a piece of shit (john deere brand) then I finally got one for 3,900.00 and it works great. Things are expensive now a days, you get what you pay for. If you want the real deal or experience you have to pay for it. Don't buy a Honda if you want Mustang performance.
I hear you, I just think a little more horsepower and a little more resolution on the playfield would increase the experience. Most of it is a win.
I own Whitewater and 200,000,000 isn't hard to get. Get a 5x Multiplier, Whitewater Multiball and triple Jackpots nets you some serious points.
Ok, I haven’t played this one too much. Are you playing Whitewater on this machine? Isn’t the ball physics all messed up?
@@EvrydayErik I have the actual WH2O machine. The ball physics are pretty bad on this table with 1up. Most of these tables have high scores that are easily obtainable. Real pinball machines come preloaded with high scores designer initials when you buy them so I think they wanted to replicate the authenticity.
Needs 40'' 4K screen.
Hell I would just take a 1080 presentation. The 720 resolution on the software isn’t doing the job and the screen is already 1080. Must be a processor issue. But if they could do 4K, I’d be all in. The screen size actually doesn’t bug me.
I used to own a real pinball machine (NBA Fastbreak) and of course its impossible to compare with a digital machine. BUT...real pinball VINTAGE machines - the ones with 20+ years - are hard to maintain. The playfield is filled with little dents and marks that affects the game, theres always broken or loose cosmetic pieces that are almost impossible to find (or really expensive), and you need a good technician to go to your place every 6 months to make a check up. Theres the termites (big problem on any old wood cabinet) and the last HUGE problem: need to move the machine to a new place? Better call 4 friends! These old machines weights almost 400lbs and WILL BREAK! So i really dig these digital ones, but lets wait for the second generation. 1080p is a must!
Great table. Yeah, there’s nothing like a real pinball machine. But they’re far from perfect and not well-suited for my place. It should be an easy upgrade for Arcade1up, just give me a better screen resolution. I liked everything else.
Not to mention the cost. It's interesting that I see old video games for as little as $300, but it's tough to find anything under 2k for even vintage machines. And for something that is actually considered somewhat desirable, you can easily double that figure as an entry level price. If you're just looking for a little fun in your basement or garage, these things are worth a look. Hell, the last vacation we took to Gattlinburg for 5 days cost us $3500, I would have had way more fun with one of these tables for 800 bucks.
Yep got mine Saturday and sold it today for 750. I also play real pinball weekly at my local bar. This arcade 1up AFM plays horrible in comparison. Slight flipper lag was annoying and most screen were way too washed out. Good review I completely agree.
Yeah, if you play the real thing, going to this is a big shock. The actual machine looks good for the most part. Oh I’m probably going to keep it because it looks cool in my little arcade and I am playing it. But it’s not gonna keep me away from the real arcade. Thanks for checking out the video!
Crappy screen.
Can’t disagree. The resolution is disappointing.
Yeah, the kind of haptic feedback for the flippers is going to make this machine less than a higher-end machine. (I own three 1Ups myself. And like the arcade versions.)
There’s a Lotta good here, I just wish the game was presented in a higher resolution.
The visual looks pretty drab, looks like the really cheaped out on the display or just didn't bother at all with the graphics. Such a same since the unit seems really well built.
There is a lot of play value here. But the visuals suffer because they’re not in 1080 P, they’re in 720 which sucks. It’s hard to make out what’s going on on the table if you’re not familiar with the real machine. I also had problems with my G sensor, which provides the nudge affect. But they sent me a replacement part. This is a common issue apparently
Planing to get one.
For 600 it's about as close to getting a pinball machine that I can get.
I'll take it.
I hear you, I enjoy that evil madness and I’m trying to get better at attack from mars. I hear the Atgames Legends Pinball is a lot better, too bad they don’t have these tables.
legends pinball is way better
i dig your style dude. I enjoyed your review, new sub, thanks for sharing!
Hey, thank you and welcome! I put all my arcade one up reviews into my Arcade1up playlist. If you’re looking for my thoughts on another cab, it might be there.
The Mamushka is from the Addam's Family Table. Lol. Was it really in the Junkyard Table as well?
I don’t hear the song on that table, do you?
@@EvrydayErik No, the song is not playing, but I saw the text pop up on the Marquis while you were playing Junkyard. I thought it was funny. At least, that is what I think I saw.
How come it didn't use the entire screen? that sucks
It uses the whole screen but not the whole surface area. There’s a border around the screen that makes it sunken in a bit. Honestly I’m cool with that it’s just that the resolution is so bad there’s no depth to any of these tables.
I really like mine BUT I can't recommend until there is a patch to fix/ adjust the high scores, White Water, and my AFM table high scores don't scroll.
Question does your HS menu on Attack From Mars scroll? I got saucer champion when I got the second place score but I never see my initials on that score because it doesn't scroll to it. Erik MAKE SURE you open a ticket with Arcade1up, because the person seemed pretty dismissive of my concerns
When you’re done with the game the high scores do go up and down and show the grand champion at the top and the ruler of the universe on the bottom. When you’re in the main menu and you can flip through the games it does scroll up and down the same way.
@@EvrydayErik Mine does not fit AFM does not show saucer Champion etc. - Thanks for checking
Yeah I don’t see saucer champion on the list here, it just goes up and down a little bit to reveal who is the ruler of the universe.
@@EvrydayErik Thanks Erik. My Initials when to it, then I never saw it again.
It’s insane you keep wasting your money on this garbage. When will people stop supporting arcade 1up until they make a machine that is great right out of the box no mods! Any other company on earth would be out of business by now releasing this sub standard junk. Seriously
I like doing a public service for everybody. I like torturing myself.
This was not a great review. You don't know the terminology for the pinball tables such as solenoid (much less how to say it properly) and ramps. You took no time to understand the rules for the tables, yet comment on them. And the ball "jumping around" on WH2O was how the ball exits the pop bumpers on the real table too. Take your time if you are going to try and do a review like this.
Did you get the table, do you like it?
Should be mostly analog like real rolling pinball balls and flips, ects not all digital screen...👎 great review though! I'm going to get a 1up Galaga and tempest since both were my favorites! 1up should make robotron that was a hard game but that's why I liked it
Yeah I’m a big fan of Robotron, it would be interesting to see what they would pair that with. My biggest complaint is that this is in 720. It would be much better in 1080. Also, I’m having trouble with the G sensor and I’m getting false nudges now. Time to start a ticket with Arcade1up.
Those pesky Sullee-o-noidz
I probably mispronounced it. The pesky thing is the G sensor. Mine went bad and I get false nudges.
All good. Just some friendly ribbing. I gotta be honest I really want one of these machines but I find myself just playing my Gotlieb and Williams collection on my PS4 still. I will never pull the trigger on an Ultra VP ($9k) so I have to settle for something like this. Although I am kinda interested in that At Games mini pinball
@DIRTYYETTI friendly ribbing is always welcome on my channel. 😎👍
@DIRTYYETTI I’ll keep you posted and let you know how this thing goes.
Glad I watched this, It doesn't look good to play. It should be way more clear and I would rather pay another 50 to 100 to have a full screen on top that mimics a real pinball machine and not a small screen. Seeing the Attack from mars above the playing field while playing other games kills me
I’m still nowhere I have it. I thought the smaller screen was going to bother me but it doesn’t. But, the lower resolution does. These games should be in 1080 P but they’re only and 720. I’m curious when Arcade1up is going to do an upgraded version.
Not that I would get it anyway, but would've love to see a Williams virtual pinball table with older games like Taxi, Gorgar, Pinbot, and Funhouse.
Yes, i’m pretty sure those are going to be on the next offering. Those are some very good pinball machines. Hopefully they upgrade the software. I am having fun with it, so I would probably pick up another one.
Thanks for sharing your nostalgia with us. My favorite pinball machines is "Black Hole" and "Hercules". I totally understand where your complaints are coming from, having been born in 1967, I've lived through probably the best age of Arcades and really miss them. It was awesome going into the dimly lite room full of brightly lit video and pinball machines and get lost for hours and hours. Arcades like Drive-Inns, and Roller Rinks are never truly going to replaced with their digital counter parts, even if V.R. really improves unless some sort of Matrix like connection can be made. Anyway thanks for sharing your love of Pinball and your opinion on Arcade1Ups1Up. P.S. Steam has an interesting pinball game system, that I believe can be ported over to Arcade1Ups1Ups Pinball, called Zaccria Pinball. Maybe you can check that out and see if it improves the experience. I just bought into it myself so having tried it yet, but if it sucks I'll update this comment and let you know.
Update. Just played 4 different retro pinball machines and while it does have some glitches here and there, it's very responsive and has features like changing orientation (i.e. portrait or landscape), blank high scores, a global high score so you can see how other people are doing, simulation and arcade modes, a lot of configuration settings for looks, ray tracing, glass quality, etc. The tables themselves look very well desided, authentic and with perspective on they have a lot of visual depth. I heard that you can run Zaccria Pinball on the 1up, but don't remember the content creator who set theirs up to work with it. Just something to let you know about. Again thanks for taking the time to create a very well done video about your experiences with Arcade1Ups Pinball!
Thanks, I will check out the steam system. Black hole was amazing! I think he would need to go at least 1080 and resolution to pull that one off. I’ve never played Hercules but it looks like a lot of fun I I enjoy having this table in my mini arcade for the nostalgia. There real close to pulling off something cold here, I just think it needs a better CPU and resolution. Thanks for checking out my video and keep me posted!
I bought the Star Wars model when these first released and really enjoyed it....then I started opening my eyes to what vpin could be and how far these machines are from that. I sold the Star Wars model when the price jump hit, so I made all of my money back that I had spent and reinvested that into the AtGames Legends. I found an old Dell Optiplex and threw an Nvidia 1650 in it and was on my way with OTG mode. It was a world of difference mainly with the larger playfield (32" vs 24", but also having a full video board for the backglass as well as a higher resolution. Count in the ability to push the graphics to the max for FX3 and I was very happy. Then I discovered VPX and PInupPopper and haven't looked back. Since then I've added some haptic feedback to the AtGames and it replicates the real feel of the tables extremely well. Not a lot of investment either, since VPX is free.
I took notes on everything you wrote. I’ll check it out. I would’ve went with the Atgames Legends, but mars attacks and medieval madness are two of my favorite pinball games so I got suckered into buying this even though I know there’s better product out there. I don’t have any buyers remorse because it is fun, but I really wish it was in 1080. The 720 is rough.
@@EvrydayErik There are versions of Attack From Mars and Medieval Madness that are on VPX and replicate the actual tables really well, even better than FX in my opinion. If you end up going down the rabbit hole, highly recommend Wagner's Tech Talk, he does a great job of walking you through it step by step. I really enjoy your channel, and your honest opinion.
@@StLounatic OK, thank you. I think I just might jump down that rabbit hole. I’ll check out that channel. If I can get an upgraded version of those two, I’d be very happy.
You spelled disappointed wrong on your heading graphic fyi.
@@misterchip1984 Thanks for letting me know! I’ll just let it ride now.
Im installing exciters inside when i get mine to achieve more of that real feel of the ball rolling around.
That’s a great idea, are you gonna do a video? I would love to see how that’s done.
@@EvrydayErik Sorry I don't have a video. I installed two in the front and two in the back on inside walls. Unfortunately at the moment there is a load high ptiched buzz happening. It's also happening with the subwoofer i put in too. Might need a noise cancelling device hopefully. Strange. I have subwoofer in some of my arcade cabinets using the stock speakers and it works great. Again hopefully i can get it to work out because the added woofer and exciters so much better. Minus the buzz. Haha
Sounds like a fair review. It was finally available again at BB for ordering and shipping last night so I decided to get it. Rumor has it they are working on a patch to address Whitewater, the nudge, and the screens being too bright so hoping they do that. I'm not expecting an authentic pinball experience, I am expecting a video pinball experience.
Yeah, it’s fun, I’m playing medieval Madness and finally got a good high score in that one where it would save it. I enjoy playing attack from mars as well.
@@EvrydayErik MM is thee main reason
I am getting it.
Honestly as long as attack from mars an medieval madness work I'll be happy
Yeah, those are the only two I’ve been playing just because I already have the layout of the tables memorized. When I try to play some of the other ones I don’t know too much, it’s a real struggle. Those are the two best tables on here.
What is the actual dimension in inches, of the unit front to back?
Hey, I usually shoot the image on the box that has the dimensions. I can’t recall if I did that in this video.
@@EvrydayErik It's odd but I can't find the over-all dimensions on the web, just the size of the playfield. I think I have a spot I can fit this in, in one of my game rooms but I just wanted to be sure. Where I want to put it, there's a door that opens up into the space.
I have this virtual pinball and I have a real Stern pinball. You have very similar issues on new pinball machines made today as you do on virtual pinball
Every product has bugs when it comes out. I think other than some iffy graphics at times id rather have bugs on my $570 arcade1up pinball vs the bugs I've experienced on my $8000 Stern pinball
That’s true, it looks like a NASA control room under that stern pinball table. I play the Arcade1up 10 ball table, I just wish it wasn’t 1080 P and bring out the depths more. I went back to the arcade and the software really does not emulate the ball physics of that table very well. It’s a different game. Thanks for stopping by, cheers!
Interesting video, I didn`t know just how crap these things really were. So glad that I just built my own 27" 120 fps custom Pinball Machine with gaming grade PC inside. They have cut so many corners on this build. They should have ditched the feedback or even the `real plunger` and just built the machine with better hardware overall and defo a 27" IPS playfield screen too and for more money they could have sold a more expensive version perhaps thathad a monitor for the backglass ......... that version would be a reasonable machine worth bothering to mod for all the modders out there instead of this rubbish .... ha ha
I have no regrets about buying it. Like I said, it’s got two of my favorite pinball machines on it, so I love having it here. But yes, it could be a hell of a lot better very easily. You just needed to be in 1080, 720s a little rough.
@@EvrydayErik Yeah, don`t get me wrong, even though I`d never buy their products I applaud them all the same for popularising ARcade related stuff to more of the masses. But here I think that 720p, especially for a Pinball is very bad, probably cos they cheaped out on the tech hardware so much that it couldn`t pull 60 fps at 1080p which has to be a must for any pin that isn`t a really cheap toy
Well thanks for the review. I have a few problems thought. I really feel like you came in to this machine with a false expectation. What I mean by that is You cant expect a $500 machine to be anywhere near the $15000 counterpart. Thats kinda like expecting your plastic model car to have the same features of its real life car. Second its 80million not 80thousand. lol. As far as high scores go there are always scores present. Very rarely do you see a bunch of blank scores just so you can put yours up. That just doesnt happen. Third the solenoids are not for sound they are for feel. So wanting them to turn up the volume on them is also a really bad expectation. Like it or not this is a video game. It is in no way a real pinball. Now yes it has similarities but again you cant expect it to be identical. It just felt like once you cracked open the box your feeling was negative. Like when you said the table Junk Yard just looks like a bunch of junk on the screen. Im pretty sure thats intentional. Also like the real machines you have to figure out what to do on each table. THats part of learning the tables. I think you have been listening to way to many youtubers with negative feelings about this table and other example. You showed the White Water and said "trust me" its there. Lol I didnt see it. So if you didnt really see it at least in the vid you showed us then how is your opinion being formed? Lastly what really was funny is that you went to a real arcade and played the real machine then based much of your opinion off that. Thats like me test driving a BMW and then buying the remote control car version and complaining that it doesn't have the same features and driving capabilities. I think if you take this cab for what it is which is a video game representation of a real pinball. Then you would like it a lot more. Its cool though its your opinion but I just think you came at it wrong and not with an open mind.
For 600 bucks I expected a little more horsepower under the hood to run the game at it’s full resolution. I don’t have much of a problem with anything else. It’s just that the games look messy and one dimensional. I hear they look fantastic on other platforms so this is very disappointing.
I have this machine and absolutely love it. Ten games that are pretty realistic for 750 bucks. I hope to buy the marvel and star wars cabinets as well
Yeah I do return to his machine and play it often. I am one of those people that are having trouble with the G sensor. I’m getting ghost nudges and it’s a little annoying. It comes and goes, but I’m gonna have to contact Arcade1up support and see if I can get a new sensor.
Video game pinball is like video game tennis . It’s not same as real tennis . The ball is moving according to a computer program , not random so that’s why it sucks balls
Yeah, I guess my main gripe is the resolution of the playfield. I think you need a higher resolution to just tell what’s going on.
Arcade 1up needs to make some upgrades to this version. I'd start with a clear 1080 playfield instead of 720. Upgrade to 32" instead of 24" display. Replace Roadshow with Funhouse and add Monster Bash.
That’s it Terry! I think you just described my dream arcade1up virtual pinball machine! I still enjoy this one, but yeah there’s a lot of room for improvement.
Low resolution in 2021? No thanks. The free Visual and Future pinball tables look better on my 2560 x 1440 monitor.
Yeah if you were on the fence about this one, I would just wait for the next version.
Are you going to do an update since the new firmware is out and reported it has fixed problems and adjusted the graphics somewhat.
Other people have beat me and made videos. I finally downloaded the update yesterday and it does do everything it says. White water is finally playable. I also like how you can adjust the accelerometer. The graphics are still the same resolution, but I think it did fix some frame rate issues on a couple games. The worst part of downloading the patch is that it erased all of my high scores. I don’t think I’m ever going to get To mars again in attack from Mars, so that sucks.
Some thoughts...
How is it that the resolution 720 and not 1080 or 4K in year 2021? I think higher resolution would make a big improvement.
As I understand it, there’s no ability to add more tables. But it’s all software, so I guess users are prevented for adding more tables due to licensing/legalities. If that’s the case, too bad. I’d be willing to pay for more tables if they were available for download.
Anyway, it’s still a neat concept and would be interested in trying it out. Will be interesting to see how Arcade1Up evolves them.
Thanks for putting the review together.
Yeah I pretty much agree with everything you’re thinking and saying. I expected a lot more horsepower under the hood. And I think it is time to make these things compatible with downloading games and going online.
I don't own one yet, but have been kicking the idea around, and I agree, they missed a lot of opportunities here. Real glass, wifi updates, 1080p, better solenoids- I'd pay 2 or 3 hundred more dollars for that. Downloadable games for purchase, , online leader boards, head to head remote play etc- those upsells could have justified charging a bit more and guaranteeing Arcade1Up a little money on the backend. From a business perspective, this sounds like the marketing and sales teams could have made this more exciting and profited more in the process.
@kevinmach730 yeah, there’s definitely room for improvement. My sensors went bad that handle the nudge. I was getting false nudges. Arcade1up did send me a replacer sensor, but it’s pretty involved to replace and I haven’t got around to it yet.
This is embarrassing and a waste of money. 1uparcade should not even use the word "ARCADE". People who own these ridiculous games should never say they have an arcade gameroom if you do not own REAL Arcades and Pinball Machines.
I think this just needs some more horsepower under the hood to make the software as good as it can be. This isn’t like doing Pac-Man.
Thanks for this Eric. I was thinking about it. But after this vid, I can’t drop 600 bones on this. Maybe with goofy glasses and a 3D monitor?? I don’t know. Hard to replace true pinball physics and sounds.
Yeah, my main complaint is the resolution. There is no sense of death here so it’s hard to tell what should be physical pieces and the flat playing field.
Look up the BAM Kinect mod for Future Pinball to see a good example of simulated depth without glasses.
I just picked one of these up and I'm pretty happy with it. It's about what I expected though. I love the arcade, I've ran arcades, I grew up in arcades, but I'd never want real arcade machines in my house unless I had unlimited money and space. That's why I've enjoyed the Arcade1Up stuff, even though they company has a lot of faults, their products still scratch the right itch. Seems like the pinball machines were an interesting experiment for them, but I'm not sure if they'll continue with it. Seems like they can hardly keep up with what they've got going on now.
Yeah, I think you nailed it. These things do scratch that itch. I love having my little arcade area. I know I’m overpaying, but I also like how these things look, the size is perfect. My son is starting to appreciate them, he loves the Star Wars cabinet.
Well, if you're talking an actual physical table, that would be hard to download. 😁
But I'll admit to trying a video pin or two. How else are you gonna try Baby Pac-Man these days?
But my FX3 Steam library (And 1990's CD's) show I pay for what I can, when I can.
I like the old Doc Savage books, btw. This machine is cute and I do probably play it more than my other cabinets. My G sensor went bad and I just got a replacement. There’s room for upgrades here and I’m sure they’re gonna offer a deluxe version for more money. I don’t have any buyers remorse.
I have 3 Williams machines in the living rooms but I honestly think these would be cool for my two kids rooms....plus easily fit through the doors on their rooms. Now to find 2. 🤷🏼♂️
First of all I’m jealous. I do like the size of this virtual pinball table, yes it fits easily along side my other cabinets. I love all the physical things going on here I just wished the graphics had more resolution and depths. It’s fine, so I think they would enjoy it.
Ya just got a Subscriber Erik.
I love my SW Pinball. I have no nostalgia for real pinball. My only memories are of broken mechanisms and lost quarters. Virtual pinball is all that saved the form factor for me. So the price is perfect entry...and Star Wars is one of my favorite IPs. I did replace glass and it helped visuals way more than I thought. Worth it.
OK, so I guess I am right that the plastic plexiglass is making those lines. Yeah maybe I just need to get used to virtual Pinball. Maybe some thing like the Star Wars Pinball is designed the better so you can figure out what’s going on. I think this software is trying to cram too much onto the screen and it kind of scrambled my brain. Thanks for stopping by!
@@EvrydayErik you are right about the lines. My review on this is from a casual pinball person mindset. If you are like me you will probably love it. I think comparing real tables is a big mistake for the real pinball fan base. That is why it seems the worst reviews I have noticed is always for the Attack From Mars table. These are not pinball. Its like comparing real warfare to paintball. While visually it reminds you of it and reaching that goal of victory can still be exhilarating...it is still not the same. For someone like me it is perfect. Take racing games for example...we all loved them growing up the past few decades. It is nothing like real racing or driving in general. We do prefer better simulations but we can still bust out something like out run and enjoy it. Because we were exposed to the game first generally speaking. So we are not always turning around saying...this is not like real racing.
I understand that. I use to work at a Time Out and damn I hated the damn near daily upkeep of pinball machines. I would never want one in my house. They are pretty, and fun when they work but a pain in the ass for upkeep.
Yeah its not consistent...thats why it doesn't have near the same price tag as a real or real good vintage unit...do you know how much a repair or replacement part is on a real pin ball machine? If your lucky for parts and time its $300
Oh yeah I couldn’t afford a real machine with the maintenance. I did play this one a lot. However, I’m getting the ghost nudges so I have a problem with the G sensor. I’m going through that process and started a ticket with Arcade1up. A lot of people are having that issue apparently. There is a lot of place value here, I just wish it had a little more polish and a higher resolution presentation. But we all know Arcade1up is going to come up with the improved version soon, and I’ll probably buy it.
LCD ball for the masses. Will never replace the real game physics.
Yeah, it’s like a cute toy version of the real thing. I don’t regret having it because I like two of these tables. But it’s never going to replace the real deal.
I think your issue is the screen. At 720p you can't really get the depth that you could on a 4k screen. I own 60+ tables from fx3 and at 1080p there is much more depth. Turning off the animations, in my opinion, is the absolute wrong thing to do. Its what Zen studios is known for. Its like taking half of your game away. Couple that with a 720p screen experience and you might as well be playing pong, in my opinion. I still can't understand why they couldn't have used 1080p. Other manufacturers were able to do that for the same price point. So again, in my opinion, arcade1up was just pure lazy on this one. Sadly I'm still waiting on my marvel table that ordered like 2 months ago. So coming from playing fx3 in 1080p, I know I'm going to be a little disappointed in the graphics but I'm hoping the experience will be there.
Yeah I really don’t have any complaints with the physical table or the controls. I have a feeling their generation two tables are going to have better resolution and I’m going to end up selling this one and upgrading. It would be great if they could just sell one upgrade kit because I think the screen is 1080 it’s just that the processor is giving you 720.
now that pinball machine is $850. A1up rise there prices $250 .lol. just saying you dont see atgames rising there prices $250
Yeah, you’re totally right. 850 is crazy for this. I just downloaded the patch that we finally got, and it does fix all the tables. I think Arcade1up is losing focus.
This or ALP? I'm in love with my ALP.
No, this is Arcade1up.
@@EvrydayErik Understood. I was just wondering which one you liked best.
cant even get one. no one has them Best Buy keeps getting sold out
Yeah I put my initial order through Best Buy when they first went online. I guess I got lucky. I don’t regret buying it, it could just be better.
Im so glad you pointed out those weird lines that im also seeing from the plexi glass on my AFM pinball table. I am definitely replacing with the proper glass. Its distracting for me to see the lines during gameplay.
Yeah, I don’t think anyone pointed that out in their video. I wasn’t sure what was going on the first. I will definitely look into that down the road. I can’t blame them for using plexiglass because that box was pretty heavy as it was.
Ok so I have marvel and just got attack in the mail finally. I’m nit happy though. I knew white water had issues. But marvel plays so much smoother than this. Maybe I have a bad machine?? Anyone have both and notice this? The biggest issue is the display has noticeable vertical lines throughout the entire display. Probably around 100 vertical distorted lines. Has anyone else seen this issue or do I have a deductive display or PCB board?
I have horizontal lines, but I think that’s from the plexiglass. I don’t see any vertical lines so you may have an issue after all. Everything on my machine plays pretty good except white water. Start a ticket with Arcade1up, sorry to hear you had a problem.
Great review man I’d still like to get my hands on one of these if possible - I built one several years back & had some fun with it but it looked pretty ghetto and you couldn’t play a game without getting splinters or cut/pinched by my shoddy work 😄
Hahaha, thanks, it sounds like you would still do better than me. I would love to build one too, but I know it would be a massive project and probably a failure. The more I play this one, it’s growing on me.
The one dimensional display was kind of surprising to see. Other versions of the Zen pinball tables on PS4, Xbox etc are all in 3D. Even the Nintendo 3DXL tables are all in 3D. Then it just occurred to me that Arcade 1Up are probably using a low spec processor that will only support a one dimensional implementation of the tables. If all of the tables were displayed in 3D, this would be a very cool virtual pinball table.
Yeah, that’s really my only complaint is the graphics need to be better to create that faux depth. I like the screen size in the controls.
It's not even PC based. It's android based. Hence, crap.
The graphics are rendered in 3D though, it's just a static viewpoint.
How's the flipper lag? is it not to bad or is it terrible?
I don’t have any issues with the flipper lag. I think the game plays well enough, I got to Mars and then screwed it up there. It just plays different than the real pinball machine. My only issues were the low resolution of the software. And my G sensor for the nudge stopped working correctly and I was sent a replacement. But I haven’t really replaced it yet because it’s involved. All that said, this does have a lot of replay value.
I REALLY HATE IT WHEN THE BALL SPEEDS DOWN THE MIDDLE PAST THE BOTTOM FLIPPERS, DON'T YOU????
The ball does some pretty wonky stuff. I went back to my RK to do some ball testing, to see how the mall bounces off of certain things and the video game doesn’t really capture the real thing very well.
Hey! I bought an Atgames Legends Pinball and I LOOOOOOVE IT!!
I hooked my computer up to it and I can play all the Zen Studio tables as well as video pinball versions of popular tables such ad Medieval Madness or Attack from Mars. If you can get a chance to try it, I think you'll prefer it to the Arcade 1up machines. The Atgames Legends pinball machine is easily upgradeable. I love to tinker with it. I greatly recommend it!
Believe it or not I don’t have a personal gaming computer right now. But I would love to do what you did. yeah, the Arcade1up pinball is more of a toy. The Atgame legends mod is definitely real virtual pinball! I’m jealous, I’ll have to look into it.
Hello and good morning. I was planning on picking up one of the three pinball offerings from Arcade1up. Do you know if they have released any software updates for the tables?
Yes, they did release the software update for attack from ours. I can’t speak to the other ones because I don’t on those. It did fix the bugs. I have a problem with my accelerometer, which is responsible for the tilt, but I’m looking into some options for that. It might be fixable. Overall, I do enjoy having this and it is fun
So the next level for video pinball would be a 3D playfield screen where you can wear passive 3D glasses to get the depth
I wouldn’t want that. But the 720 resolution is really a setback for this. The software is in 1080 and it would behoove them to just project the proper resolution.
It’s just so hard to simulate the player being one with the machine when it comes to pinball. The clicking and clacking and feeling of electro-mechanical functions being performed under the table.
Oh yeah, none of that is in this machine. They tried with the accelerometer and the celluloids, But they’re not there yet. I really just do wish this was in 1080P, which is the resolution of these games anyway. I’m familiar with the machines so it it’s OK, but a little more resolution would create some depth I think on the screen.
@@EvrydayErik I’d be interested in a Tales of the Arabian Nights release. That’s one of my favorite tables. I was surprised to see it’s included in the pack. Fighting the Genie to rescue the princess at the end is intense.
Williams games on zen pinball Apple Arcade are really good
They are! They’re in 1080p i think. This looks too pixelated. I’m still happy in have it though. Could be better. Cheers!
Personally instead of buying all of these crappy arcade1up imitations I think you should save your money and just get one genuine arcade machine / pinball machine
I could do that, it would be a bitch to get it up here. I like having my little mini arcade.
HE SAID THAT HIS WIFE SAID THE BALL SHOULDA BEEN LARGER ON THE MARVEL PINBALL FROM ONEUP!!!!
I’m going to skip the Marvel and Star Wars Pinball
U SHOULDA USED A PEN FLASH LIGHT TO SHINE ON THE LEG BOLT HOLES TO LINE THEM UP TO THE ACTUAL HOLE THREADS!!!!
Oh, OK. I did eventually figure those out. You just need to push really hard
actually that's 80 MILLION lol
I don’t remember, what did I do?
@@EvrydayErik You said 80 thousand for that score which would be 80,000, but the number on the scoreboard was 80,000,000
Good review but I cringe every time I see the term “honest review”. It’s the same as when someone starts a sentence with “let me be honest with you...”
I had to get your attention somehow! Cheers! I’m mostly honest, mostly
For virtual pinball you really need a 4k screen.......I built my own and with 4k, real leaf-switches for flippers, and a playfield monitor that has very low screen refresh rates, there is no flipper lag. Is it like a real pinball? No but I cannot afford a 15k AFM. This is the next best thing. With Visual Pinball X installed, there are hundreds of tables emulated. This arcade 1up thing probably doesn't have the computer resources or graphics to run VPX in 4k.
I need to look into visual Pinball x. I would love to do what you did, but I don’t know if I could build my own. How did you learn?
I watched a lot of videos and read a lot on the various virtual pinball forums. There's some really detailed instructions. For the first few months, I just used 2 computer screens, to get the software part in order. Eventually I found a local guy who has a CNC machine and he built the cabinet for me. (I'm not too good at building stuff). I started with a 1080P playfield monitor but eventually got a good deal on an Acer 32" 4K monitor and the difference in look and feel was immediate. Everything popped, you can read the apron cards, the resolution is incredibly good and the the version of AFM that I have installed is very good.......still not like a real pin but acceptably good. I would maybe see if you can mod your arcade1up cabinet.......I think I've seen some videos of people doing this so they can install VPX and have a better screen. Good luck........
MY, AREN'T WE A WEE BIT PICKY ON THE IMAGES??? LOL!!!!
I think the game would be a lot better in 1080
SO... 599 BUCKS AIN'T TOO BAD!!!!
Thx for the honest review. Picked mine up today, my first video pinball machine. Talk about buyer's remorse. I feel horrible. I intentionally held off buying the Star Wars unit due to all the hype I kept hearing about AFM. I sooo want to sell this tomorrow. 😥
Hopefully a grows on you. Medieval Madness is a lot of fun and I’m trying to get better at attack from Mars but it is very hard. I’m not really playing any of the other games. I think you could sell this and get most of your money back