I have been in the market and am curious. How did you decide on this company over Rec Room World Ultra VP or Xtreme Gaming Cabinets which although based out of Australia people have high praise for their pinball .
@@PowerNGlory - I looked at both those builders. The Ultra VP has a 49" monitor which is way oversized. I wanted a virtual pinball that more closely resembled the size of an authentic pinball. The 43" screen makes the cabinet pretty darn close to normal size. Some people want oversized pinballs and that is fine but that's what I wanted. Also, Ultra VP uses lexan and not real glass over the playfield. I wanted real glass. They also don't have LED matrix or LED strips in the playfield which I wanted. And of course their prices are way higher than the pinball king. Xtreme makes some cool looking machines but I reached out to them twice. Once via email and the other via phone and left a voicemail. They never got back to me. This made me reluctant to purchase from them because I worried how difficult it would be to get tech support if I needed it. I feel like if it's hard to get in touch with them when you are an eager customer wanting to purchase, how hard will it be to get customer support? Also, I didn't want to spend the $1,500-2000 dollars for shipping. For me, the pinball king was just a better choice. Cheaper, easy to get in touch with, knowledgeable and friendly. The cabinet checked all my boxes.
I love real pinball machines. This virtual thing is cool, but I can't stop thinking its a vast of money as VR have entered the pinball space for only a fraction of the cost you get a virtual 3D version that is far superior to a screen. Try given this a try? the Quest 2 with FX pinball.
@@Descenter1976 - I hear what your saying. I have the Oculus 2 and the FX2 app. It is pretty cool. From what I heard, I am able to connect my Oculus to my new virtual pinball cabinet and use the flipper buttons to control it along with feeling all the solenoids etc. Pretty cool. Kind of like a mixed reality. I haven't tried this yet but can see doing so soon.
it would be better if the screens were tilted properly to represent what it's like playing a real pinball machine other than that i plan to buy one on 1uparcade
As a guy that grew up going to Pinball Parlors (which pre-dated Arcades) my first gut reaction to a "virtual" pinball machine was UGH. But with the variety of playfields, the transducers, and actuator feedback....this seems pretty cool. Thanks for sharing this!
Glad you liked my video! Yes, it will probably be a while before it replaces 100% the feel of real pinball but they are getting really close. I think having a real pinball and a virtual one is the best of both worlds.
Your video card has very little to do with your "load times" it's all Storage Speed to load into ram. Get the best/lowest latency SSD and Ram for your load time reduction. Better video card will make the graphics look smoother, less lag/clipping
I’m real big on the idea of having a functioning coin slot on the dream-rig I hope to eventually get. With every table imaginable at your disposal, it’s easy to get overwhelmed and take it all for granted. Being limited to the number of quarters I can acquire throughout the day makes me enjoy my limited time with the tables like when I was a kid and every turn at the table was a treat to be savored. The unlimited access we enjoy today makes most of us fail to even enjoy one table properly. In a way, it was better being limited to whatever single table your local pizza shop had. Cause you’d give it the time it deserves and learn all of its secrets.
I hear ya. Sometimes having too many choices makes it harder to enjoy. I also have a MAME four person stand up arcade with 80,000 games. It does sometimes make it hard to commit to one game for a long time.
I had no idea that they had come this far. So many games in one machine. I would never get rid of my 7 vintage pinball machines, but I might add a Virtual machine like yours just for all the different games in one unit. Thank you for sharing with us.
Yeah, I was unaware of the progress with virtual pinballs too. Excited to see what the future holds for them too. What seven pinballs do you own? My father use to deal in vintage pinballs and I will be seeing him for lunch this week. I will have to tell him the games you have and see if he remembers them.
@@JMGENTERPRISES You can find videos on them all on my youtube channel. But here you go. Egg head Durotron Robot Pool Pin bot Bride of Pinbot Jack bot Robo cop
Really wish I could see 1 of these bad boys for real/in person, maybe if I’m ever to visit with my friend in NY. These have got to be mad expensive to build/setup for maximum performance, effects, all of it to see and feel just how real, how close they come.
@@DaveGX - They are truly amazing! I know Michael the Pinball King who built mine is pretty busy these days. But I am sure he would let you take one for the test drive at some point.
The physics simulation is absolutely incredible nowadays. Some pinball games that are marketed for pc gamers, like "pinball fx", can feel a little unrealistic (and it tends to make the experience much easier), but visual pinball (VPX) that most of these machines run, is very accurate. They behave incredibly realistically.
But the playfield is too God dam short. A total waste of money as no true pinball player would ever buy a virtual pinball machine with a shortened playfield.
I love it. I built mine and when you play it you do forget that it’s virtual. I owned a Adams Family, Star Trek Next Generation, Indiana Jones and Judge Dredd real pins. I sold them all and just have my virtual now. I built it in a 70’s cabinet and restored the original art work. You can see videos of it on my TH-cam channel. I have updated the software front end on it since the videos I have posted. It gets more compliments and interest than the real pins I had.
I checked out your videos! Great looking machine. Good job on the build. Love the under glow lighting too. May have to add that to mine. Cool to hear that you owned four real pins at one point. But yeah, I think for me, having a virtual pin is the way to go. Just saves space, money and mechanical repairs.
First off, great video. You did a stellar job and seem like a great guy. Should have mentioned your MM you paid 8k for us probably worth 12-14 now. One thing that’s a sore spot for the table creators are guys like the pinball king that package up our software we work for free on (sometimes for years) and profit off it. Even the front end that table uses wasn’t meant to be sold. I helped create several of the tables on your machine. The stranger things on there isn’t a real pin, it’s an original by my friend Scotty wic. Took him a year but was never meant to be sold. Anyway, enjoy, it is a fun hobby. You can hook VR Headset up to it to make it even more real. That’s a game changer
Glad you liked my video! Good to hear MM has gone up in price. I really do think I have probably one of the cleanest ones out there. Bought it from my fathers friend who purchased it new in 1997. It even has the original sales receipt. Never knew you could hook up VR! I will have to look into that. Thanks for the tip 😀
Agree with you regarding our work being included in items for profit. It is a sore point for sure, as the use agreements expressly state that it is not allowed. (I developed the SSF haptic feedback with Rob).
Wow the best virtual pinball I've seen & your review is 1st class. I'm planning on getting one soon & thanks to you I'm sure I found the one to get & the upgrades to go with it... Great job cheers
I love my machine from Pinball King. He spent a ton of time with me on the phone leading up to and after it arrived. The SSF upgrade is the most important extra you can get.
@@JMGENTERPRISES we went with TMNT to match my daughters favorite arcade cab. We got it this September and I've been adding and playing new tables all the time.
@@frogopus4470 - I have been a big fan of TMNT since I was a kid. I did see that artwork available as an option. Happy to hear you are getting good use out of it and adding more tables. I plan to add some FX3 games this weekend!
@@morbin7744 - Well it is not exactly as easy as say downloading a game on your phone and playing it. But it is not too hard. I actually just installed 99 new FX3 pinball tables on my machine. It took about 45 minutes but that was only because it was my first time. I am sure I could reduce that time down to around 20 minutes next time I load a bunch of new tables. There are plenty of TH-cam tutorials and websites showing how to do it. I also recommend giving Michael at The Pinball King a call if you are seriously considering buying one. He sure knows his stuff. They sure are fun to have!
I echo everything in this video. I went with the 50 inch 4k model from ThePinballKing and could not be happier. It's immersive enough for me that I forget it's virtual. Yes it's expensive, but I've gotten my money's worth for sure.
@@JMGENTERPRISESHad it for about 8 months. The only issue was the plunger going off the track when my young niece was being a bit rough with it. Easy enough fix though because the seller had a video on how to repair that.
@@mikebigler807 Great to hear it! I had my nieces and nephew's over the other day too. I was very clear to make sure they understood to be gently with it.
Nice review, I don't know if people are aware but 90% of the features shown in this video are available as "open source" software that is developed by people free of charge to use.
I've been playing pinball for 45 years and own the original Getaway and Fish Tales, which are awesome pin's, but the virtual idea is awesome as I've played one recently, but it wasn't a 4K machine and there was a little bit of lag in the screen. I JUST emailed The Pinball King to see what they could build for me and hopefully they're able to set me up. Thanks for the great video, appreciate you mentioning the upgrades you made too!
That's awesome! I've never played the games you own but I'll look them up tonight and see if they are on my machine. Let me know if you end up ordering from Michael and which model and artwork you go with. Tell him Jeff sent ya if ya can! 😀
This does look really awesome! I'd love to see a comparison to a real Medieval Madness. For me, the physics in virtual pinball have never felt totally realistic. Looks like the best solution so far.
Thanks! I'll get the comparison video up soon. Just downloaded FX3's edition of Medieval Madness is its pretty cool too. Animated dragon that breaths fire and flys around etc. Yeah, I keep saying, if I had tons of money, I would buy 1,100 authentic pinball but that is just not realistic. Virtuak pinball is the next best thing.
I think I know what you mean, to me the Williams arcade pinball games feel the most "real". Technically virtual pinball is probably more accurate but somehow it always feels "off".
Same here. For me virtual pinball is just for learning the rules before i play on pinball tournaments. Physicswise it's just not the same as real machines. Maybe if you don't play real machines it's ok. I have 8 pinball machines at home and would never sell them for a virtual one.
I have to own one of these in the very near distant future. As being a pinball purest, this is a must have for my life-long collection of games and things.
At first I was wondering if those led strips and the led board at the back would be distracting, but man when you loaded up that stranger things table…I’m sold! Looks mint.
wow! it looks incredible, I quite enjoy playing pinball on my Quest 3 VR headset, I was just looking into getting a Pinball controller which is currently in development, which is how I came across your video.
@@JMGENTERPRISES Yes, I loved that game when it came out, I have all the DLC packs too, but I admit even though I have them, I havent played the last 2 DLC packs yet, and I'll get the Venice DLC on the 25th Apr also, though I probably won't be able to play that for a while either lol. Too many games and not enough time... I reviewed Walk about Mini Golf here... th-cam.com/video/Je9bV7AhM70/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fiLZjtUauUb2DSwW
@@GotchaVR Glad to hear it! Yeah, I have the all the DLC courses too. It's my father and I's routine to play every week together. Looking forward to the Venice course. Great video by the way! Good narration too!🙂 I'll check out your other vids!
Hey, thanks so much for this video. I've been interested in getting a virtual pinball cabinet for some time now, for all the reasons you cite. You'd have to be inependently wealthy to collect and maintain multiple real machines. You turned me on to The Pinball King and I've visited his website and exchanged a few emails with Michael. He is indeed friendly and willing to answer questions. He mentioned that his business is blowing up since you posted this review, so good on you for an honest informative assessment of his machines. I would indeed like to see some side by side comparisons and some more videos of your new virtual pin. So keep them coming. Well done.
Thanks Tony! That is great to hear. Happy my review gave you some guidance. If you end up ordering a virtual pinball, let me know what model and artwork theme you ended up deciding on! Thanks for your kind message :-)
Well, I think your video has convinced me that this is the pinball machine I want to go with. I went to their site and you have your own model "JMG" Kracken Plus shown. That's the one I plan on ordering. Thanks...I am really new to this!
I have a virtual pinball game on my Xbox 360 and it’s great. Unfortunately that game isn’t available on the series x which is a bummer. But to have a full size pinball with virtual games with so many possibilities is mind blowing and in the end saves you so much money and space.
You are right about saving money and space with a Vpin! Hopefully your virtual pinball game will be available for Series X someday! That would be awesome!
Looks fun, but having played one, I'm convinced the real thing is never going to be replaced. If they can get 3D to work better it might make some more converts. I heard someone was experimenting with Xbox's Kinect technology to track your head and adjust the position of the playfield accordingly. If that can be perfected, I would definitely like to give it another go. The other hang-up I have is that the screen refresh is too low. It needs to be 120Hz or better for the ball movement to look more realistic. Some people use ball trails to make up for the stilted look of the ball travelling at higher speeds, but that just reminds you you're not playing a real pinball machine. When you pulled the plunger, the delayed response on the monitor tells me the processor is not fast enough. Looks like people are definitely working out these problems though, so I'm looking forward to what they come up with in a few years.
That Kinect technology you talk about sounds promising! Yes, I am sure like with all technology, it will improve and get cheaper with time. Hoping I will be able to upgrade my machine as new tech is released for virtual pinballs.
In the 2k, Microsoft was allegedly working on an portable Xbox with eye tracking technology to make 3D games. This never went further than hearsay, though (photo of the concept + explanations in a magazine). It doesn't seems it can be found on the internet though.
Great points about refresh rate. The issue will not only be in having a display with native 120Hz, but the games will need to support 120fps too. Not sure the game developers had higher than 60fps in mind. Fortunately, the 1660ti GPU may be able to handle 120fps with mostly static pinball. I believe what you are referring to with the plunger is input lag, which would mostly be the display’s fault. So getting a native 120Hz display with low input lag will likely add a few hundred dollars.
@@programaths - Hmm. I hadn't heard about that. I think VR is the future as it seems there is lots of money being poured into the technology. Like all tech in life, I am sure it will improve and get cheaper with time! :-)
@@vette21man - Sounds like you know your stuff! Thanks for your input. Many people are saying I should have a 120hz monitor. Maybe this is something I will upgrade in the future :-)
It looks like that the internal led strip on the right have failed in the topmost section, or need soldered again or checked out. Machine looks fantastic too!
All I can wish for at that point, is giving it the Nintendo 3DS style screen that does the magic of giving it that depth that may work for some people. I have enjoyed a lot of pinball tables in the past (pizza places, arcades over the years). Being able to have essentially an all-in-one is space saving enough to be able to play the tables you want when you want without buying a real one, and as mentioned with some of the upkeep.
This is an amazing pinball game! The 4K screen is unbelievably vivid in its wonderful display of the playing field. I grew up in the pre-video era and I would spend fistfuls of quarters at an arcade full of banks of pinball machines. I first got hooked on pinball in my native New England when I played pinball at Ocean Beach Park in New London. That was in 1972. Pinball was banned in New York City(!) until 1976. Anyhow, back to this virtual pinball game. It would be interesting if an arcade or entertainment center featured these intriguing machines, considering the vivid displays, a superb selection of games, and the low maintenance. A great video demonstration of a great incarnation of pinball!
Thank you! I did not know pinball was banned. I learned something new today. Yeah, I agree, seeing one of these virtual pinballs in an arcade would be cool. However, I know a lot of the virtual pinball authors that made the tables, software etc are against commercial use of these machines. Glad you enjoyed the video though! Thanks for watching and commenting :-)
At the time of the making of this video, it didn't. But I recently got a new drive with new and newly updated tables and now it does have Godzilla. It's a cool table
I know the pinball king only ships within the USA. Check out Xtreme Gaming Cabinets. They are in AUS and ship worldwide. Shipping would probably be a grand or two at least.
@@JMGENTERPRISES Thanks for the reply! wow expensive shipping haha. Wonder if there machines are similar quality. That machine you showed off...looks amazing. In your experience is it the best machine closest to real life pinball machine?
@@KickAssets I did a lot of research before I ordered one. There are lots of different companies making them. I believe The Pinball King and Xtreme Gaming are the best in my opinion. Although I have never seen a Xtreme gaming machine in person.
Nice review! I really appreciated your breakdown of everything. I’d love to see your next video be in 4K resolution so we can see the detail better. Would also love to see you play Space Shuttle for a bit. Did you ever look into getting a machine that tracks your face movements so the 3D appears even more real?
Glad you liked the review! I'll be sure to do a video and include some Space Shuttle soon. Yeah, my phone does record in 4k but I don't have a video editing program yet that supports 4k. My next video will be in 4k though! Great idea on the face tracking. I'll have to ask my builder if that is something that can easily be added. I have seen it for sim racing but never thought of that for virtual pinball! 😁
@@JMGENTERPRISES From what Ive read, face tracking isnt widely supported, it was something one of the programmers tried with an xbox connect hooked up to the pc, but only worked on a couple tables and never got developed any farther. What you should really consider, though you may have to upgrade your video card again, its borderline close enough specs for it, is adding vr support. Thats available for most of the tables from what my research has told me. While Ive never played a virtual pin, or one in vr yet, I play other games in vr all the time and its amazing. Add in the tactile feedback from your table and the actual physical buttons and table to lean against, I bet it will be as close to real pinball as you can get. I had considered building a virtual pin awhile ago back when I had a t2 table, but kind of forgot about it. Now that they support vr Ive gotten really interested in building one again in the next year or so.
That is amazing! I love pinball and for some reason a virtual pinball machine is not something I’ve started looking into until recently. I love it! Do you notice any “ghosting” when the ball moves quickly? I’ve had monitors in the past where that was really noticeable and I am concerned about it on a machine like this. Thanks for the video! Love your medieval madness table as well!
Thank you! Yes, Medieval Madess is my all time favorite. I never thought about virtual pinball until recently too when I heard they install solenoids, surround sound feedback and other features to make it sound and feel real. I haven't noticed any ghosting as you mentioned. I've logged about 10 hours of playtime so far. Maybe giving Michael a call would be best if you are honestly going to order and concerned about that. He knows WAY more about this stuff than me. But I am learning 😌
@@JMGENTERPRISES the force feedback is a huge selling point for me too. That and unfortunately I don't have the space for as many tables as I would like (a spare warehouse) so the fact that there are so many tables available is REALLY appealing. I was watching some videos by RecRoomWorld and he seems to have a lot of similar features as Pinball King but PK is more affordable. I'm going to keep doing some looking but I will definitely give em a call before deciding on anything. Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the side by side comparison of the virtual and original MM.
@@malsirian0880 - Exactly! If I had a HUGE warehouse and $5+ million dollars, I would maybe buy all 1,100 real pinball machines. But it is just not possible to do that. Hahaha. Yes, the price point of the pinball king was a big factor too. Good luck on your decision and please mention my name if possible when you end up calling Michael :-)
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around a 1660ti being an upgraded graphics card! Do you not feel the ball is laggy due to a lower frame rate? I need to go to his site, if I did this, I'd demand a 120-144hz main screen, so you can get more fluid motion.
Well as you probably know, graphics cards are really hard to come by these days. Michael said a 1660 Super would more than handle the 4k at 60hz. I did not mention this in my video but my phones camera can only do 1080p at 30fps. In the video, it may appear less smooth than it actually is. I recently bought a new Sony camera which can do 4k and I will be doing another video soon. I've played a virtual pinball at 120hz and honestly cannot see the difference between that and a 60hz. Perhaps, I just don't have the eye for it. I am sure if you wanted to pay more, The Pinball King would install a 120-144hz screen.
Great reviews. Million dollar question and sorry if it was covered. What's the latency between the flipper and the buttons? That always seems to be the thing that ruins the experience on virtual machines.
Glad you liked the video! I honestly cannot tell a difference in latency between my real pinball and my virtual one. I will try and do a slow motion test on my next video!
Expect 4 frames of input lag. If the video doesnt have a lag test of any kind than be very very skeptical. Everyone says they dont feel a difference when you can.
The GPU is not what makes it "load" quick, that's the SSD hard drive. The GPU is the clarity, crispness and responsiveness of the displays (the displays themselves obviously contribute). Just saying it's an i5 doesn't mean much as i3/i5/i7 have a lot of generations now, could be 12 years old and have 8 GB of sub 2000mhz DDR3 ram inside. I'm not sure if you have access to the operating system or not ;but if you do I'd check the display resolution myself to verify it's actually set to 4k, also getting performance stats (fps,cpu usage/temp, gpu usage/temp) included in the video would do a good job of showing people how the unit is performing. Build quality is nice enough ;but for what they charge for those units showing viewers what's actually under the hood and how it performs statistically would be a good.
Thanks for the education! Sounds like you know your stuff. The computer I have inside the machine is an ABS Challenger. Runs about $1,100 on NewEgg right now. i5 11400F processor, GTX 1660 Super GPU, 16gb DDR4 Ram. I wanted to make this video not too in depth. But I will be making more videos with the machine in the future and will try and add some of the stats you were talking about. Thanks!
@@JMGENTERPRISES You're going to really struggle to get 60 Hz on a 4K display with a 1660 Super (I know, I have one), let alone getting a decent 120 Hz which is pretty much the minimum you need to avoid lag and to properly see the ball when it's moving quickly.
@@fred_derf - Good to know and thanks for sharing. I plan to upgrade the screen to an OLED 120hz down the road as well as upgrade the graphics card when they become more readily available at the costs they were prior to the pandemic. Hopefully those days return. Lol
@@JMGENTERPRISES with the crypto market and stock markets coming down in price, the video cards are becoming available again at cheaper prices. In September, Ethereum has its proof-of-stake merger, which will make video card crypto mining essentially worthless and video card prices will drop like a rock.
super cool. Thanks for sharing. I play a lot of pinball on my iPad and VR. If I got this I would want to put it just inside my front door of my house. Unfortunately my wife will veto that instantly.
I have a local company selling a 3/4 size one for $4000AUD with 1080 games on it but I think it just won’t have the right feel if it’s a bit smaller than a standard pinball unfortunately🤔. I wonder if they do the full size as well I’ll need to doublecheck. Great upload mate I was curious as to how good the actual playing field screen was but it actually looks pretty bloody good , So I’ll definitely look at getting something like this for sure👊🏻😁🇦🇺🍻🍻
$4000 AUD sounds pretty reasonable. As does 1080 games! Do they have a showroom where you can perhaps play it before you purchase it? 3/4 cabinets are considerably smaller than the original pinballs. I guess that could be good if you are trying to save space and/or costs. But I would think it would take slightly away from the original feeling of a full size cabinet. Another option would be to look into a Pinsim which is used for VR pinball but still feels real. Look up PinSims on TH-cam and you will see what they are! Best of luck on what you decide on :-)
@@JMGENTERPRISES Yeah mate no matter how cool it is I still need to have the full size feel. I’ve had the original Indiana Jones and terminator 2 pinballs years ago which I regrettably sold and actually made sone profit but now they’re worth twice as much 🤦🏻♂️ that’s just the pinball market I suppose .
@@bigstackD - Never played Indiana Jones but love the Terminator one. Sorry to hear you regret selling your machines. I know how it feels to let a toy go then kick yourself later. Have you heard Zen Studios is releasing a new Indiana Jones FX3 table. Looks pretty cool. th-cam.com/video/_8GRbIrVwVc/w-d-xo.html
I can't find your comparison video (medieval madness, real table vs virtual). If it's using 'visual pinball' (VPX) software, which I assume it is, I'd love to see your comparison!
I haven't had a chance to do that video yet! I'll try and get on it asap. I received a new drive with updated tables and new tables. I am trying to get that installed before I do the comparison.
1. What was your Total price including shipping? 2. How heavy is it compared to a real one & is it as firm to the floor? 3. How expensive are repairs? 4. How many games does it come with & how much are extra ones? 5. Does it Tilt & is it adjustable? 6. What do you dislike about it? Thanks, Steve
1 - I paid around $6,500 for mine with shipping. Models vary 2 - It felt pretty heavy. Don't know the exact weight. However, my buddy and I were able to lift it and walk to around the back side of my house through my dual sliding doors without issue. 3 - Don't know about price for repairs. I spoke with many of the pinball kings other clients and they have had their games for years without issues. Michael is pretty friendly and I am sure would help diagnose and help with repairs. 4 - I recently purchased and installed 99 new FX3 tables. I would give Michael a call and he can help answer this question better. Let him know Jeff sent ya :-) 5 - Yes it does tilt. I show this in my video. I do not know if it is adjustable. 6 - The only thing I suppose I dislike if I had to choose is the flipper buttons are about 1/2" lower on the virtual pinball versus the my real pinball. I guess I am just use to the location on my real pinball, so I had to get use to the new flipper locations. But not a big deal. I may install a "blockanator" shield that prevents the LED matrix from being reflected on the playfield at the top. I know the LED matrix can be lowered in brightness as well as turned off completely, but I like it very bright!
Does the led matrix underneath the dot matrix distract or reflect off the glass making it so you can't see? Are the USB ports on the computer easily accessible if one wanted to add new tables onto the machine? When you turn it on from being completely off, is there one switch that turns on everything, the pc, the displays? Was it ready to play out of the box or does it need a lot of startup work?
On certain tables the matrix can cause some glare. I ordered a deflector shield that is suppose to eliminate this but have not yet installed it. The USB ports on my PC are in the front and easily accessible. Currently to power on my machine, I plug it in, push the power button on my PC then turn on each of two monitors. Takes about 10 seconds to do it all. I am sure there is a way to have it all turn on at the same time but I have not looked into it.
Great video bud. I just ordered from RECROOM WORLD 7.0. 4K 49” Playfield topper monitor, strobes, it even has a blower on it for games like twister. Mike at Pinball king is a great guy, very knowledgeable. However he puts some dated technology into his machines, and his build times were 6 months to a year last time I talked with him. Roland over at RECROOM is top notch. Quick to respond, knowledgeable, direct with cost and invoicing. On top of that they put in far superior tech all the way around. 30 day lead time… 30 days! The other thing that bothered me with his tables are the dot matrix LED’s. Very distracting all the way around. Some people may like that however. Pinball coming back is great! Doesn’t matter what you play on, as long as you’re having fun!
Wow…that’s pretty much what I’ve always envisioned, wanted. That’s great man! I don’t know if I want to know…how much this cost. And then You said right as I was typing this! $7000 actually ain’t bad for all this, upgrades, solenoids faster gpu larger screen. Awesome. Enjoy a lot; I don’t think I’d ever hit the treadmill next to this if this was sitting right in the room!
Glad you liked it Jordan! Yeah, I feel the price is well worth it. I actually just received a new drive with even more tables. Excited to get it installed soon. And yes, I do not use my treadmill nearly as much now. Lol
Yes, you can lower the volume on the haptic transducers inside the machine. Also known as SSF (surround sound feedback). However, the solenoid knockers are not adjustable.
@@JMGENTERPRISES I build it myself. Main reason was that i was worried that i could not repair it if something breaks. Both for hardware and software. It was a lot of work. It was around 5k in the end so I saved a bit. I just love it. Most did recommend me to use solenoids. But i went with ssf.
@@chrisbraeuer9476 - Good for you building your own. Yes I can see how having the knowledge to repair would be well worth it. Have you had any issues with it so far?
@@JMGENTERPRISES so far only with my leds. I think i went a bit overboard. I have around 1200. We had some blackouts. I think that burned some. But they are cheap. There is a lot to learn software wise. You should be good from the hardware side. Even if a solenoid or led breaks you can easily replace it with a new one. Just keep in mind to use the exact same amount. Esp. Important for leds. Because they are all counted and if you just add 1 in more or less it fucks up the whole system.
@@chrisbraeuer9476 - Wow, 1200 LED's, impressive! I bet that thing shines! Good to hear you haven't had many issues and thanks for the tip on using the exact same amount of LED's.
Because of the LED matrix, the playfield/screen is more level. However, I raised up the back legs about two inches and lowered the front legs a bit. Honestly, when standing and playing, the playfield looks sloped.
@@JMGENTERPRISES it was from years ago , not from your machine. I got a old 1970's cabinet and a friend put the computer together and I decked out the cabinet, all was good until I added a table and it all crashed. Loved my set up , particularly the old school tables , like 8 ball deluxe. Could be 9 years ago now . I have a table top and upright mame system. From 2000 . Still going strong.
Not from what I can tell so far. I've probably logged about 10 hours of playtime to date. Everything seems to function immediately....flippers, bumpers, lights etc.
The LED matrix does add a little glare. I may add a visor of some sort to block the reflection from getting on the playfield. The LED matrix can also be dimmed and/or turned off. In regards to how many games, I would reach out to Michael as he can best answer that.
Hahaha. Thanks man. Yeah, I've always enjoyed toys. Really need to start using the bowflex weights more. Thats my new years resolution this year. #goals
Very nice. Just started to collect my games because I just discovered this world last weekend. I still can´t afford a setup like this, but fortunatly in the future I think prices for 4k TV´s and computer hardware wouldn´t increase as much, as the pinballs are "more simple" than current market games and I think in 5 years I can make it.
Awesome you are getting into the hobby! I am sure prices will also drop once Covid settles down. GPU prices are through the rood and so is other computer hardware. Hope you are able to get a cabinet one day!
I honestly did not look into Rec Room World. I was debating The Pinball King or Extreme Gaming Cabinets. But Extreme never returned my emails or phone calls. Probably just too busy. Michael at the pinball king responded quick and sold me on his machine. Let me know what brand you decide going with :-)
@@mcadork - Thanks for the including the link. I didn't even know what a death save was! Learned something new today. Haha. I wonder if you can do the death save if the ball drops down on the left side as well? I will have to give this a try on both my virtual pinball and real pin.
What are you missing out on buying the upcoming 4k At Games Legends virtual pin coming out at the end of the year for $1k? I guess some LEDs and the DOT matrix screen?
@@JMGENTERPRISES it's obviously going to be no where near the quality of this custom cab. Just thinking for those who don't want to spend actual pin money.
Can you guys recommend a cool bar stool I could use for this new virtual pinball? I was thinking maybe this one - amzn.to/3qk9CZV
I have been in the market and am curious. How did you decide on this company over Rec Room World Ultra VP or Xtreme Gaming Cabinets which although based out of Australia people have high praise for their pinball .
@@PowerNGlory - I looked at both those builders. The Ultra VP has a 49" monitor which is way oversized. I wanted a virtual pinball that more closely resembled the size of an authentic pinball. The 43" screen makes the cabinet pretty darn close to normal size. Some people want oversized pinballs and that is fine but that's what I wanted. Also, Ultra VP uses lexan and not real glass over the playfield. I wanted real glass. They also don't have LED matrix or LED strips in the playfield which I wanted. And of course their prices are way higher than the pinball king.
Xtreme makes some cool looking machines but I reached out to them twice. Once via email and the other via phone and left a voicemail. They never got back to me. This made me reluctant to purchase from them because I worried how difficult it would be to get tech support if I needed it. I feel like if it's hard to get in touch with them when you are an eager customer wanting to purchase, how hard will it be to get customer support? Also, I didn't want to spend the $1,500-2000 dollars for shipping. For me, the pinball king was just a better choice. Cheaper, easy to get in touch with, knowledgeable and friendly. The cabinet checked all my boxes.
I love real pinball machines. This virtual thing is cool, but I can't stop thinking its a vast of money as VR have entered the pinball space for only a fraction of the cost you get a virtual 3D version that is far superior to a screen. Try given this a try? the Quest 2 with FX pinball.
@@Descenter1976 - I hear what your saying. I have the Oculus 2 and the FX2 app. It is pretty cool. From what I heard, I am able to connect my Oculus to my new virtual pinball cabinet and use the flipper buttons to control it along with feeling all the solenoids etc. Pretty cool. Kind of like a mixed reality. I haven't tried this yet but can see doing so soon.
it would be better if the screens were tilted properly to represent what it's like playing a real pinball machine other than that i plan to buy one on 1uparcade
As someone who spent many hours playing Space Cadet, the old windows pinball game, I'm pretty sure I would enjoy a virtual pinball machine.
I've had a few people comment that love that table. I know I have it on my machine but haven't played it yet. I'll have to check it out!
@@JMGENTERPRISES If you do, please make a video, we would love to see it.
As a guy that grew up going to Pinball Parlors (which pre-dated Arcades) my first gut reaction to a "virtual" pinball machine was UGH.
But with the variety of playfields, the transducers, and actuator feedback....this seems pretty cool.
Thanks for sharing this!
Glad you liked my video! Yes, it will probably be a while before it replaces 100% the feel of real pinball but they are getting really close. I think having a real pinball and a virtual one is the best of both worlds.
I thought the same thing.
No.
My mind is blown. The graphics look so good along with every other realistic sensation added.
Thanks for watching! Yes, I am very impressed with it too! They sure have come a long way!
Your video card has very little to do with your "load times" it's all Storage Speed to load into ram. Get the best/lowest latency SSD and Ram for your load time reduction. Better video card will make the graphics look smoother, less lag/clipping
Thanks for the education. Still learning computers I guess. Haha
CPU speed could also be a heavy bottleneck for load times. But most likely having a faster SSD will have more impact on reducing load times.
Yeah hearing him say that was adorable
@@cashnelson2306 as a OEM system builder it was more like nails on a chalkboard.
Not to mention a 1660 is hardly a great card, get a 3060 in there.
I’m real big on the idea of having a functioning coin slot on the dream-rig I hope to eventually get. With every table imaginable at your disposal, it’s easy to get overwhelmed and take it all for granted. Being limited to the number of quarters I can acquire throughout the day makes me enjoy my limited time with the tables like when I was a kid and every turn at the table was a treat to be savored. The unlimited access we enjoy today makes most of us fail to even enjoy one table properly. In a way, it was better being limited to whatever single table your local pizza shop had. Cause you’d give it the time it deserves and learn all of its secrets.
I hear ya. Sometimes having too many choices makes it harder to enjoy. I also have a MAME four person stand up arcade with 80,000 games. It does sometimes make it hard to commit to one game for a long time.
I had no idea that they had come this far. So many games in one machine. I would never get rid of my 7 vintage pinball machines, but I might add a Virtual machine like yours just for all the different games in one unit. Thank you for sharing with us.
Yeah, I was unaware of the progress with virtual pinballs too. Excited to see what the future holds for them too. What seven pinballs do you own? My father use to deal in vintage pinballs and I will be seeing him for lunch this week. I will have to tell him the games you have and see if he remembers them.
@@JMGENTERPRISES You can find videos on them all on my youtube channel. But here you go.
Egg head
Durotron
Robot Pool
Pin bot
Bride of Pinbot
Jack bot
Robo cop
Really wish I could see 1 of these bad boys for real/in person, maybe if I’m ever to visit with my friend in NY. These have got to be mad expensive to build/setup for maximum performance, effects, all of it to see and feel just how real, how close they come.
@@DaveGX - They are truly amazing! I know Michael the Pinball King who built mine is pretty busy these days. But I am sure he would let you take one for the test drive at some point.
The physics simulation is absolutely incredible nowadays.
Some pinball games that are marketed for pc gamers, like "pinball fx", can feel a little unrealistic (and it tends to make the experience much easier), but visual pinball (VPX) that most of these machines run, is very accurate. They behave incredibly realistically.
Seriously one of the coolest videos I've seen. Super helpful straight info...I grew up in the 70's...pinball was king then...inspired. Thank you!
Thanks for watching and for your comment! I still feel pinball is king! Have always loved it :-)
But the playfield is too God dam short. A total waste of money as no true pinball player would ever buy a virtual pinball machine with a shortened playfield.
Eye tracking, to match depth perception. ... About the only thing I can think of that would make this even better. ... Such a beautiful piece of work.
Eye tracking would be amazing! I am sure it will be coming soon :-)
Its called Bam headtracking...pretty cool
@@JMGENTERPRISESbam headtracking does exist for vpin
@@soggykid5580 That's unreal. I've GOTTA save up for this kit. Wife will kill me, but I'll die happy. 😆😁
I don’t even like pinball, but this s far cooler than I expected. Awesome
Thanks. Yeah I wasn't sold on virtual pinball until after I saw one. They have come a long way.
I love it. I built mine and when you play it you do forget that it’s virtual. I owned a Adams Family, Star Trek Next Generation, Indiana Jones and Judge Dredd real pins. I sold them all and just have my virtual now. I built it in a 70’s cabinet and restored the original art work. You can see videos of it on my TH-cam channel. I have updated the software front end on it since the videos I have posted. It gets more compliments and interest than the real pins I had.
I checked out your videos! Great looking machine. Good job on the build. Love the under glow lighting too. May have to add that to mine. Cool to hear that you owned four real pins at one point. But yeah, I think for me, having a virtual pin is the way to go. Just saves space, money and mechanical repairs.
First off, great video. You did a stellar job and seem like a great guy. Should have mentioned your MM you paid 8k for us probably worth 12-14 now. One thing that’s a sore spot for the table creators are guys like the pinball king that package up our software we work for free on (sometimes for years) and profit off it. Even the front end that table uses wasn’t meant to be sold. I helped create several of the tables on your machine. The stranger things on there isn’t a real pin, it’s an original by my friend Scotty wic. Took him a year but was never meant to be sold. Anyway, enjoy, it is a fun hobby. You can hook VR Headset up to it to make it even more real. That’s a game changer
Glad you liked my video! Good to hear MM has gone up in price. I really do think I have probably one of the cleanest ones out there. Bought it from my fathers friend who purchased it new in 1997. It even has the original sales receipt. Never knew you could hook up VR! I will have to look into that. Thanks for the tip 😀
By the way I looked again and MM is now selling for 18-20k
thats worth 14k to you??? seems i better quit my day job! any computer geek could build something like this i bet for a 3 or 4 grand!
@@aaronczech878 the original pinball machine is being referred to
Agree with you regarding our work being included in items for profit. It is a sore point for sure, as the use agreements expressly state that it is not allowed. (I developed the SSF haptic feedback with Rob).
I love this machine and I hope to one day have one like it. Pinball is special and timeless.
Thanks! Yes, I agree, pinball is timeless!
As a video producer and huge pinball fan, excellent work making this wonderful video. 5 stars!
Hey, thanks a lot! 🙂
Wow the best virtual pinball I've seen & your review is 1st class. I'm planning on getting one soon & thanks to you I'm sure I found the one to get & the upgrades to go with it... Great job cheers
Much appreciated! Glad you like it too! If you end up talking to Michael, tell him Jeff sent ya :-)
I love my machine from Pinball King. He spent a ton of time with me on the phone leading up to and after it arrived. The SSF upgrade is the most important extra you can get.
Awesome! Happy to hear you love your machine too. What artwork did you end up going with and how long have you had it?
@@JMGENTERPRISES we went with TMNT to match my daughters favorite arcade cab. We got it this September and I've been adding and playing new tables all the time.
@@frogopus4470 - I have been a big fan of TMNT since I was a kid. I did see that artwork available as an option. Happy to hear you are getting good use out of it and adding more tables. I plan to add some FX3 games this weekend!
@@JMGENTERPRISES I’m new to these, what do you mean by adding tables? Is it kinda like downloading a game on to your phone? Thanks you.
@@morbin7744 - Well it is not exactly as easy as say downloading a game on your phone and playing it. But it is not too hard. I actually just installed 99 new FX3 pinball tables on my machine. It took about 45 minutes but that was only because it was my first time. I am sure I could reduce that time down to around 20 minutes next time I load a bunch of new tables. There are plenty of TH-cam tutorials and websites showing how to do it. I also recommend giving Michael at The Pinball King a call if you are seriously considering buying one. He sure knows his stuff. They sure are fun to have!
I echo everything in this video. I went with the 50 inch 4k model from ThePinballKing and could not be happier. It's immersive enough for me that I forget it's virtual. Yes it's expensive, but I've gotten my money's worth for sure.
Great to hear! How long have you had your machine? Any trouble with it so far?
@@JMGENTERPRISESHad it for about 8 months. The only issue was the plunger going off the track when my young niece was being a bit rough with it. Easy enough fix though because the seller had a video on how to repair that.
@@mikebigler807 Great to hear it! I had my nieces and nephew's over the other day too. I was very clear to make sure they understood to be gently with it.
Nice review, I don't know if people are aware but 90% of the features shown in this video are available as "open source" software that is developed by people free of charge to use.
Yeah but for me, I didn't want to have to build my own cabinet. Lol
I think it's awesome, i really wish to see how it feels live. The price seems pretty fair. Congrats on this purchase and have fun!
Thank you! Having fun on it so far. My cousins and their kids are coming over this weekend. I am sure it will be a hit!
I’m sold, truly amazing piece of hardware to complement the collection! Gotta have the glass and metal upgrade, great job on everything, I’m stunned!
What other pinballs do you have in your collection!? If you end up ordering from the Pinball King, let him know Jeff sent ya if you can! 🙂
Same, this guy does incredible work. I now want to save up for one of his and let go of the idea of an Atlegends lol. These are stunning!
did you manage to get one?
I've been playing pinball for 45 years and own the original Getaway and Fish Tales, which are awesome pin's, but the virtual idea is awesome as I've played one recently, but it wasn't a 4K machine and there was a little bit of lag in the screen. I JUST emailed The Pinball King to see what they could build for me and hopefully they're able to set me up.
Thanks for the great video, appreciate you mentioning the upgrades you made too!
That's awesome! I've never played the games you own but I'll look them up tonight and see if they are on my machine. Let me know if you end up ordering from Michael and which model and artwork you go with. Tell him Jeff sent ya if ya can! 😀
Quite fun to watch! Thanks for sharing the experience 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Receiving mine this week. Can’t wait.
Awesome! Which model did you get?
This does look really awesome! I'd love to see a comparison to a real Medieval Madness. For me, the physics in virtual pinball have never felt totally realistic. Looks like the best solution so far.
Thanks! I'll get the comparison video up soon. Just downloaded FX3's edition of Medieval Madness is its pretty cool too. Animated dragon that breaths fire and flys around etc. Yeah, I keep saying, if I had tons of money, I would buy 1,100 authentic pinball but that is just not realistic. Virtuak pinball is the next best thing.
I think I know what you mean, to me the Williams arcade pinball games feel the most "real". Technically virtual pinball is probably more accurate but somehow it always feels "off".
@@gfdggdfgdgf- Yeah probably best to have a few genuine games and a virtual pin. Best of both worlds.
Same here. For me virtual pinball is just for learning the rules before i play on pinball tournaments. Physicswise it's just not the same as real machines. Maybe if you don't play real machines it's ok. I have 8 pinball machines at home and would never sell them for a virtual one.
@@ytriDlO - I hear ya. I think having some real pinballs and a virtual pinball is the way to go. Best of both worlds. 🙌🏻
I have to own one of these in the very near distant future. As being a pinball purest, this is a must have for my life-long collection of games and things.
You wouldn't be disappointed. 😄
At first I was wondering if those led strips and the led board at the back would be distracting, but man when you loaded up that stranger things table…I’m sold! Looks mint.
Thanks Paul! Yeah, each table the LED's react differently. Really happy I went with the Kraken model that has them.
wow! it looks incredible, I quite enjoy playing pinball on my Quest 3 VR headset, I was just looking into getting a Pinball controller which is currently in development, which is how I came across your video.
Love the quest 3! Do you ever play walk about mini golf? Such a fun game on oculus
@@JMGENTERPRISES Yes, I loved that game when it came out, I have all the DLC packs too, but I admit even though I have them, I havent played the last 2 DLC packs yet, and I'll get the Venice DLC on the 25th Apr also, though I probably won't be able to play that for a while either lol.
Too many games and not enough time...
I reviewed Walk about Mini Golf here...
th-cam.com/video/Je9bV7AhM70/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fiLZjtUauUb2DSwW
@@GotchaVR Glad to hear it! Yeah, I have the all the DLC courses too. It's my father and I's routine to play every week together. Looking forward to the Venice course.
Great video by the way! Good narration too!🙂 I'll check out your other vids!
@@JMGENTERPRISES Thank you so much.
Thats awesome that you guys can play together, its amazing how great the Quest is and what it can do for people.
Love it. I've been having problems figuring who to build one. I appreciate the review.
Thanks! Yeah, that was my issue too. Looked around a bunch. Ended up calling Michael and I was convinced he was my guy.
Wow that has gotta be one of the most amazing things I have ever seen.
Truly astounding stuff.
Thank you! I agree!
Hey, thanks so much for this video. I've been interested in getting a virtual pinball cabinet for some time now, for all the reasons you cite. You'd have to be inependently wealthy to collect and maintain multiple real machines. You turned me on to The Pinball King and I've visited his website and exchanged a few emails with Michael. He is indeed friendly and willing to answer questions. He mentioned that his business is blowing up since you posted this review, so good on you for an honest informative assessment of his machines. I would indeed like to see some side by side comparisons and some more videos of your new virtual pin. So keep them coming. Well done.
Thanks Tony! That is great to hear. Happy my review gave you some guidance. If you end up ordering a virtual pinball, let me know what model and artwork theme you ended up deciding on! Thanks for your kind message :-)
Well, I think your video has convinced me that this is the pinball machine I want to go with. I went to their site and you have your own model "JMG" Kracken Plus shown. That's the one I plan on ordering. Thanks...I am really new to this!
Wow... If I ever get a pinball machine, I want it to be one of these Virtual machines... GREAT breakdown video!
Glad you think so Mark! Thanks for watching and your comment.
I have a virtual pinball game on my Xbox 360 and it’s great. Unfortunately that game isn’t available on the series x which is a bummer. But to have a full size pinball with virtual games with so many possibilities is mind blowing and in the end saves you so much money and space.
You are right about saving money and space with a Vpin! Hopefully your virtual pinball game will be available for Series X someday! That would be awesome!
Looks fun, but having played one, I'm convinced the real thing is never going to be replaced. If they can get 3D to work better it might make some more converts. I heard someone was experimenting with Xbox's Kinect technology to track your head and adjust the position of the playfield accordingly. If that can be perfected, I would definitely like to give it another go. The other hang-up I have is that the screen refresh is too low. It needs to be 120Hz or better for the ball movement to look more realistic. Some people use ball trails to make up for the stilted look of the ball travelling at higher speeds, but that just reminds you you're not playing a real pinball machine. When you pulled the plunger, the delayed response on the monitor tells me the processor is not fast enough. Looks like people are definitely working out these problems though, so I'm looking forward to what they come up with in a few years.
That Kinect technology you talk about sounds promising! Yes, I am sure like with all technology, it will improve and get cheaper with time. Hoping I will be able to upgrade my machine as new tech is released for virtual pinballs.
In the 2k, Microsoft was allegedly working on an portable Xbox with eye tracking technology to make 3D games. This never went further than hearsay, though (photo of the concept + explanations in a magazine). It doesn't seems it can be found on the internet though.
Great points about refresh rate. The issue will not only be in having a display with native 120Hz, but the games will need to support 120fps too. Not sure the game developers had higher than 60fps in mind. Fortunately, the 1660ti GPU may be able to handle 120fps with mostly static pinball.
I believe what you are referring to with the plunger is input lag, which would mostly be the display’s fault. So getting a native 120Hz display with low input lag will likely add a few hundred dollars.
@@programaths - Hmm. I hadn't heard about that. I think VR is the future as it seems there is lots of money being poured into the technology. Like all tech in life, I am sure it will improve and get cheaper with time! :-)
@@vette21man - Sounds like you know your stuff! Thanks for your input. Many people are saying I should have a 120hz monitor. Maybe this is something I will upgrade in the future :-)
Wow that looks awesome
Thank Coby!
It looks like that the internal led strip on the right have failed in the topmost section, or need soldered again or checked out.
Machine looks fantastic too!
Good eye! Yes, he sent me a replacement strip and all is well now!
@@JMGENTERPRISES Brilliant. Looks fantastic. Does the pinball machine have remote connecting to an app or pc program to update it etc?
All I can wish for at that point, is giving it the Nintendo 3DS style screen that does the magic of giving it that depth that may work for some people. I have enjoyed a lot of pinball tables in the past (pizza places, arcades over the years). Being able to have essentially an all-in-one is space saving enough to be able to play the tables you want when you want without buying a real one, and as mentioned with some of the upkeep.
Fingers crossed as well! That would be amazing!
This is an amazing pinball game! The 4K screen is unbelievably vivid in its wonderful display of the playing field. I grew up in the pre-video era and I would spend fistfuls of quarters at an arcade full of banks of pinball machines. I first got hooked on pinball in my native New England when I played pinball at Ocean Beach Park in New London. That was in 1972. Pinball was banned in New York City(!) until 1976. Anyhow, back to this virtual pinball game. It would be interesting if an arcade or entertainment center featured these intriguing machines, considering the vivid displays, a superb selection of games, and the low maintenance. A great video demonstration of a great incarnation of pinball!
Thank you! I did not know pinball was banned. I learned something new today. Yeah, I agree, seeing one of these virtual pinballs in an arcade would be cool. However, I know a lot of the virtual pinball authors that made the tables, software etc are against commercial use of these machines. Glad you enjoyed the video though! Thanks for watching and commenting :-)
The viewing angle on the display is impressive it doesn't seem to fade out.
I agree. I have since lifted up the back legs about two inches to create a little but more angled slope.
Does this have that new Godzilla pinball?
At the time of the making of this video, it didn't. But I recently got a new drive with new and newly updated tables and now it does have Godzilla. It's a cool table
@@JMGENTERPRISESWhat drive?
Great video! Thanks for posting!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've always been against virtual pinball over a regular machine, but this might have sold me more than I previously thought.
I hear ya. I never thought they would feel as close to a real pinball as they do.
I wonder if I can get one of these in Japan. Or shipped here. What would the costs be....
I know the pinball king only ships within the USA. Check out Xtreme Gaming Cabinets. They are in AUS and ship worldwide. Shipping would probably be a grand or two at least.
@@JMGENTERPRISES Thanks for the reply! wow expensive shipping haha. Wonder if there machines are similar quality. That machine you showed off...looks amazing. In your experience is it the best machine closest to real life pinball machine?
@@KickAssets I did a lot of research before I ordered one. There are lots of different companies making them. I believe The Pinball King and Xtreme Gaming are the best in my opinion. Although I have never seen a Xtreme gaming machine in person.
Nice review! I really appreciated your breakdown of everything.
I’d love to see your next video be in 4K resolution so we can see the detail better.
Would also love to see you play Space Shuttle for a bit.
Did you ever look into getting a machine that tracks your face movements so the 3D appears even more real?
Glad you liked the review! I'll be sure to do a video and include some Space Shuttle soon. Yeah, my phone does record in 4k but I don't have a video editing program yet that supports 4k. My next video will be in 4k though!
Great idea on the face tracking. I'll have to ask my builder if that is something that can easily be added. I have seen it for sim racing but never thought of that for virtual pinball! 😁
@@JMGENTERPRISES From what Ive read, face tracking isnt widely supported, it was something one of the programmers tried with an xbox connect hooked up to the pc, but only worked on a couple tables and never got developed any farther. What you should really consider, though you may have to upgrade your video card again, its borderline close enough specs for it, is adding vr support. Thats available for most of the tables from what my research has told me. While Ive never played a virtual pin, or one in vr yet, I play other games in vr all the time and its amazing. Add in the tactile feedback from your table and the actual physical buttons and table to lean against, I bet it will be as close to real pinball as you can get. I had considered building a virtual pin awhile ago back when I had a t2 table, but kind of forgot about it. Now that they support vr Ive gotten really interested in building one again in the next year or so.
Wow!!! I absolutely love this! I am a pinbaladdicted. This would be perfect.
I'll be making a new video soon with some upgrades! It'll be even better. He now ships the new units with a 120hz monitor
That is amazing! I love pinball and for some reason a virtual pinball machine is not something I’ve started looking into until recently. I love it!
Do you notice any “ghosting” when the ball moves quickly? I’ve had monitors in the past where that was really noticeable and I am concerned about it on a machine like this. Thanks for the video! Love your medieval madness table as well!
Thank you! Yes, Medieval Madess is my all time favorite. I never thought about virtual pinball until recently too when I heard they install solenoids, surround sound feedback and other features to make it sound and feel real.
I haven't noticed any ghosting as you mentioned. I've logged about 10 hours of playtime so far. Maybe giving Michael a call would be best if you are honestly going to order and concerned about that. He knows WAY more about this stuff than me. But I am learning 😌
@@JMGENTERPRISES the force feedback is a huge selling point for me too. That and unfortunately I don't have the space for as many tables as I would like (a spare warehouse) so the fact that there are so many tables available is REALLY appealing. I was watching some videos by RecRoomWorld and he seems to have a lot of similar features as Pinball King but PK is more affordable.
I'm going to keep doing some looking but I will definitely give em a call before deciding on anything.
Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the side by side comparison of the virtual and original MM.
@@malsirian0880 - Exactly! If I had a HUGE warehouse and $5+ million dollars, I would maybe buy all 1,100 real pinball machines. But it is just not possible to do that. Hahaha. Yes, the price point of the pinball king was a big factor too. Good luck on your decision and please mention my name if possible when you end up calling Michael :-)
@@JMGENTERPRISES sure will. Thanks for the review.
@a z - I'll have to check out the toy shock. I have not heard about that one! Glad you like you game!
Woooow. I didn't think I'd be into it but having all those different options is the real seller. I better call my bank, lmao.
Hahaha! You would not be disappointed! Really fun machine!
@@JMGENTERPRISES I'm from Australia too, never knew Australia was at the forefront of this. Mate I might be in trouble here, haha.
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around a 1660ti being an upgraded graphics card! Do you not feel the ball is laggy due to a lower frame rate? I need to go to his site, if I did this, I'd demand a 120-144hz main screen, so you can get more fluid motion.
Well as you probably know, graphics cards are really hard to come by these days. Michael said a 1660 Super would more than handle the 4k at 60hz. I did not mention this in my video but my phones camera can only do 1080p at 30fps. In the video, it may appear less smooth than it actually is. I recently bought a new Sony camera which can do 4k and I will be doing another video soon. I've played a virtual pinball at 120hz and honestly cannot see the difference between that and a 60hz. Perhaps, I just don't have the eye for it. I am sure if you wanted to pay more, The Pinball King would install a 120-144hz screen.
Great review, many thanks for the info. I shall definitely try to get one over here in Europe ❤
Glad you enjoyed!
Great reviews. Million dollar question and sorry if it was covered. What's the latency between the flipper and the buttons? That always seems to be the thing that ruins the experience on virtual machines.
Glad you liked the video! I honestly cannot tell a difference in latency between my real pinball and my virtual one. I will try and do a slow motion test on my next video!
Expect 4 frames of input lag. If the video doesnt have a lag test of any kind than be very very skeptical. Everyone says they dont feel a difference when you can.
@@benjaminyoung9694 - I honestly don't notice the delay but yeah there may be a fraction of a percent delay.
@@snaplash the flippers fulling simulate coil up and everything else you can imagine.
I just ordered a virtual pinball machine (Attack from Mars). Looking forward to it
Nice! What builder did you go with!?
The GPU is not what makes it "load" quick, that's the SSD hard drive. The GPU is the clarity, crispness and responsiveness of the displays (the displays themselves obviously contribute).
Just saying it's an i5 doesn't mean much as i3/i5/i7 have a lot of generations now, could be 12 years old and have 8 GB of sub 2000mhz DDR3 ram inside.
I'm not sure if you have access to the operating system or not ;but if you do I'd check the display resolution myself to verify it's actually set to 4k, also getting performance stats (fps,cpu usage/temp, gpu usage/temp) included in the video would do a good job of showing people how the unit is performing.
Build quality is nice enough ;but for what they charge for those units showing viewers what's actually under the hood and how it performs statistically would be a good.
Thanks for the education! Sounds like you know your stuff. The computer I have inside the machine is an ABS Challenger. Runs about $1,100 on NewEgg right now. i5 11400F processor, GTX 1660 Super GPU, 16gb DDR4 Ram. I wanted to make this video not too in depth. But I will be making more videos with the machine in the future and will try and add some of the stats you were talking about. Thanks!
@@JMGENTERPRISES You're going to really struggle to get 60 Hz on a 4K display with a 1660 Super (I know, I have one), let alone getting a decent 120 Hz which is pretty much the minimum you need to avoid lag and to properly see the ball when it's moving quickly.
@@fred_derf - Good to know and thanks for sharing. I plan to upgrade the screen to an OLED 120hz down the road as well as upgrade the graphics card when they become more readily available at the costs they were prior to the pandemic. Hopefully those days return. Lol
@@JMGENTERPRISES with the crypto market and stock markets coming down in price, the video cards are becoming available again at cheaper prices. In September, Ethereum has its proof-of-stake merger, which will make video card crypto mining essentially worthless and video card prices will drop like a rock.
super cool. Thanks for sharing. I play a lot of pinball on my iPad and VR. If I got this I would want to put it just inside my front door of my house. Unfortunately my wife will veto that instantly.
Awesome! Yeah, I like VR pinball too! So 3D. Amazing.
only thing I don't like about it, it a tv screen instead an Asus ROG strike gaming monitor.
I believe he sells machines now with this option.
These tables look stunning.
They are quite great! I am installing a new drive with updated tables as well as new tables soon. Hope to have a new video soon!
I have a local company selling a 3/4 size one for $4000AUD with 1080 games on it but I think it just won’t have the right feel if it’s a bit smaller than a standard pinball unfortunately🤔. I wonder if they do the full size as well I’ll need to doublecheck. Great upload mate I was curious as to how good the actual playing field screen was but it actually looks pretty bloody good , So I’ll definitely look at getting something like this for sure👊🏻😁🇦🇺🍻🍻
$4000 AUD sounds pretty reasonable. As does 1080 games! Do they have a showroom where you can perhaps play it before you purchase it? 3/4 cabinets are considerably smaller than the original pinballs. I guess that could be good if you are trying to save space and/or costs. But I would think it would take slightly away from the original feeling of a full size cabinet. Another option would be to look into a Pinsim which is used for VR pinball but still feels real. Look up PinSims on TH-cam and you will see what they are! Best of luck on what you decide on :-)
@@JMGENTERPRISES Yeah mate no matter how cool it is I still need to have the full size feel. I’ve had the original Indiana Jones and terminator 2 pinballs years ago which I regrettably sold and actually made sone profit but now they’re worth twice as much 🤦🏻♂️ that’s just the pinball market I suppose .
@@bigstackD - Never played Indiana Jones but love the Terminator one. Sorry to hear you regret selling your machines. I know how it feels to let a toy go then kick yourself later. Have you heard Zen Studios is releasing a new Indiana Jones FX3 table. Looks pretty cool. th-cam.com/video/_8GRbIrVwVc/w-d-xo.html
RECROOM WORLD ultra 4K 49” playfield. Talk to Roland. Guy is top notch, they make the best machines in the U.S.
atgames would be 1100aud and is also 3/4 size...
Gotta admit it truly is a nice piece of hardware and is really cool even though I'm not big on pinball.
Thank you!
With todays technology you could make the board virtually ”real” 3D from the perspective of the player.
Exactly! It will be cool to see how things come along with the virtual pinball community.
You can.I forget that type of side walk illionsion art,were you turn certain angles to make the art 3d and real looking.
Just getting into it. Checked out his website.
You have my dream machine.
Working towards it!
Thank you!
Awesome! Let me know if you end up getting one. You will not be disappointed!!
I can't find your comparison video (medieval madness, real table vs virtual).
If it's using 'visual pinball' (VPX) software, which I assume it is, I'd love to see your comparison!
I haven't had a chance to do that video yet! I'll try and get on it asap. I received a new drive with updated tables and new tables. I am trying to get that installed before I do the comparison.
What an amazing creation.
I'm posting an updated video soon! Added some upgrades!
Hello from France. You have a magnificent pinball. Congratulation!
Do you install the software, or the machine is ready to play ?
Hello! It's been a while since I purchased my machine. I would recommend contacting him directly. Every builder is different.
1. What was your Total price including shipping?
2. How heavy is it compared to a real one & is it as firm to the floor?
3. How expensive are repairs?
4. How many games does it come with & how much are extra ones?
5. Does it Tilt & is it adjustable?
6. What do you dislike about it?
Thanks, Steve
1 - I paid around $6,500 for mine with shipping. Models vary
2 - It felt pretty heavy. Don't know the exact weight. However, my buddy and I were able to lift it and walk to around the back side of my house through my dual sliding doors without issue.
3 - Don't know about price for repairs. I spoke with many of the pinball kings other clients and they have had their games for years without issues. Michael is pretty friendly and I am sure would help diagnose and help with repairs.
4 - I recently purchased and installed 99 new FX3 tables. I would give Michael a call and he can help answer this question better. Let him know Jeff sent ya :-)
5 - Yes it does tilt. I show this in my video. I do not know if it is adjustable.
6 - The only thing I suppose I dislike if I had to choose is the flipper buttons are about 1/2" lower on the virtual pinball versus the my real pinball. I guess I am just use to the location on my real pinball, so I had to get use to the new flipper locations. But not a big deal. I may install a "blockanator" shield that prevents the LED matrix from being reflected on the playfield at the top. I know the LED matrix can be lowered in brightness as well as turned off completely, but I like it very bright!
Does the led matrix underneath the dot matrix distract or reflect off the glass making it so you can't see? Are the USB ports on the computer easily accessible if one wanted to add new tables onto the machine? When you turn it on from being completely off, is there one switch that turns on everything, the pc, the displays? Was it ready to play out of the box or does it need a lot of startup work?
On certain tables the matrix can cause some glare. I ordered a deflector shield that is suppose to eliminate this but have not yet installed it. The USB ports on my PC are in the front and easily accessible. Currently to power on my machine, I plug it in, push the power button on my PC then turn on each of two monitors. Takes about 10 seconds to do it all. I am sure there is a way to have it all turn on at the same time but I have not looked into it.
Props on the real Medieval Madness machine... that's my favorite table!
Thanks Sean! Yeah, it's been my favorite for a long time too!
Great video bud. I just ordered from RECROOM WORLD 7.0. 4K 49”
Playfield topper monitor, strobes, it even has a blower on it for games like twister. Mike at Pinball king is a great guy, very knowledgeable. However he puts some dated technology into his machines, and his build times were 6 months to a year last time I talked with him. Roland over at RECROOM is top notch. Quick to respond, knowledgeable, direct with cost and invoicing. On top of that they put in far superior tech all the way around. 30 day lead time… 30 days! The other thing that bothered me with his tables are the dot matrix LED’s. Very distracting all the way around. Some people may like that however. Pinball coming back is great!
Doesn’t matter what you play on, as long as you’re having fun!
Congrats on your new machine! I bet it will be a blast! Yeah I heard this review video flooded him with sales so he's a bit backed up. Lol
@@JMGENTERPRISES That’s a good thing! Mike seems like a good guy. Works hard, deserves good fortune.
Wow…that’s pretty much what I’ve always envisioned, wanted. That’s great man! I don’t know if I want to know…how much this cost. And then You said right as I was typing this! $7000 actually ain’t bad for all this, upgrades, solenoids faster gpu larger screen. Awesome. Enjoy a lot; I don’t think I’d ever hit the treadmill next to this if this was sitting right in the room!
Glad you liked it Jordan! Yeah, I feel the price is well worth it. I actually just received a new drive with even more tables. Excited to get it installed soon. And yes, I do not use my treadmill nearly as much now. Lol
Very entertaining and fun to watch. Thanks for posting this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the video. The machine looks great! How many games does it come with, and can you add more? (Plus is it easy to install more)? Thanks
Steve
Hi Steve - Best to reach out to the Pinball King to answer those questions. He may have changed things since I purchased my machine.
NEEEEEEAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!! Neat machine, Can you do High Speed/High Speed 2? Tommy? more videos!
Thanks James. Yes it has high speed and Tommy. I did a recent new video on pinballs on my channel :-)
Well, this is officially one of the coolest things I have ever seen.
Thanks! I think it is for me too!
Thanks for the video. What a beautiful machine!!
Great video, Thanks!
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed! 🙂
I played Star wars pinball VR yesterday so now this is in my feed, pretty cool.
Awesome! I've played the Star Wars pin in VR too. It's neat!
Getting close but flipper lag is still there. If you have or play real pinball most of the time the slight lag is a killer
I recently posted a new video with some upgrades including a 120hz monitor and graphics card. The flipper lag issue is no more!
How are configurations for the whacking ? By that I mean can you lower the volume of the flippers ?
Yes, you can lower the volume on the haptic transducers inside the machine. Also known as SSF (surround sound feedback). However, the solenoid knockers are not adjustable.
@@JMGENTERPRISES are you able to turn the solenoids off to play at night while others are sleeping?
@@RandomStuffByMe - Yes it has a thing called "night mode" where it disables the solenoids and reduces the volume to 50% 😁
Vpinball is awesome. I love my cab too. Totally worth it.
Where did you get your cabinet?
@@JMGENTERPRISES I build it myself. Main reason was that i was worried that i could not repair it if something breaks. Both for hardware and software. It was a lot of work. It was around 5k in the end so I saved a bit. I just love it. Most did recommend me to use solenoids. But i went with ssf.
@@chrisbraeuer9476 - Good for you building your own. Yes I can see how having the knowledge to repair would be well worth it. Have you had any issues with it so far?
@@JMGENTERPRISES so far only with my leds. I think i went a bit overboard. I have around 1200. We had some blackouts. I think that burned some. But they are cheap. There is a lot to learn software wise. You should be good from the hardware side. Even if a solenoid or led breaks you can easily replace it with a new one. Just keep in mind to use the exact same amount. Esp. Important for leds. Because they are all counted and if you just add 1 in more or less it fucks up the whole system.
@@chrisbraeuer9476 - Wow, 1200 LED's, impressive! I bet that thing shines! Good to hear you haven't had many issues and thanks for the tip on using the exact same amount of LED's.
Buying one if he gets back to me! Thanks for the demo💯
Awesome! I'm sure he will. He's quick to reply. Tell him Jeff sent ya if ya can 🙂 Let me know what model and artwork you end up going with 😁
NICE Thanks for the review. Very Helpful.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
awesome video, is the screen playfield on an angle like a regular pin
Because of the LED matrix, the playfield/screen is more level. However, I raised up the back legs about two inches and lowered the front legs a bit. Honestly, when standing and playing, the playfield looks sloped.
Awesome I want one, had one working a while ago . Only problem was a delay in the flippers in the newer tables
Oh no! Which tables did you notice the delay on?
@@JMGENTERPRISES it was from years ago , not from your machine. I got a old 1970's cabinet and a friend put the computer together and I decked out the cabinet, all was good until I added a table and it all crashed. Loved my set up , particularly the old school tables , like 8 ball deluxe. Could be 9 years ago now . I have a table top and upright mame system. From 2000 . Still going strong.
4:38 Surprisingly you can.
Looks fantastic!🙂👍
Awesome, thanks. My next video will be shot in 4k so you can see the resolution more accurately to what the screen displays 😀
Is there any input lag because of the use of the tv instead of a monitor for a playfield.
Not from what I can tell so far. I've probably logged about 10 hours of playtime to date. Everything seems to function immediately....flippers, bumpers, lights etc.
Wow. That is impressive. I will need to figure out how to play one of these myself sometime.
If your ever in the Seattle area, let me know! You can come give it a whirl
I'd like to try one. Honestly I cant imagine it good enough to feel the same as classic pinball.
Hope you get to try one day. They are quite impressive
That’s amazing quality
I agree!
I noticed the led strip on the right side only worked the first 3/4 of the way from the bottom
Good eye! Yes, Michael ended up sending me a replacement LED strip. All is good now!
This looks WAAAAAAY cool! Shipping to Seattle, eh...? I grew up just north of Lake City ;) Thank you for posting this video!!!
I have a close fried that lives in Lake City 😀
@@JMGENTERPRISES Nice!!
I've played a Virtual Pinball Machine at Let's Play Gaming Expo a couple years back!
Awesome! I've never been to that expo but have heard great things about it!
Love it other than the screen with the lights down at the playfield. Looks like that would make a lot of glare. How many games come ready to play?
The LED matrix does add a little glare. I may add a visor of some sort to block the reflection from getting on the playfield. The LED matrix can also be dimmed and/or turned off. In regards to how many games, I would reach out to Michael as he can best answer that.
Awesome I just bought 4k atgames so ours are pretty much the same. Great vid
Awesome! Let me know how you like it! 👍 😃
@@JMGENTERPRISES you know I’m kidding yours blows this POS out of the water but it’s a start
@@720erik2 I'm not familiar with your model. Do you already have it? Did it come with tables?
Wow man. Between a real medieval madness, this amazing machine and even the bow flex adjustable weights. My goal in life is to be you. #someday
Hahaha. Thanks man. Yeah, I've always enjoyed toys. Really need to start using the bowflex weights more. Thats my new years resolution this year. #goals
Very nice. Just started to collect my games because I just discovered this world last weekend. I still can´t afford a setup like this, but fortunatly in the future I think prices for 4k TV´s and computer hardware wouldn´t increase as much, as the pinballs are "more simple" than current market games and I think in 5 years I can make it.
Awesome you are getting into the hobby! I am sure prices will also drop once Covid settles down. GPU prices are through the rood and so is other computer hardware. Hope you are able to get a cabinet one day!
So the LED lights distract from game play? They look really bright. Can they be disabled?
They are very bright. I installed a blocker that blocks the reflection from hitting the playfield. The LED's can be turned off if desired though
That pinball looks amazing.
Thank you! I agree 😀
Any thoughts on this manufacturer vs. Rec Room World offering? Your video is amazing and has made me start shopping!!
I honestly did not look into Rec Room World. I was debating The Pinball King or Extreme Gaming Cabinets. But Extreme never returned my emails or phone calls. Probably just too busy. Michael at the pinball king responded quick and sold me on his machine. Let me know what brand you decide going with :-)
Awesome review! How much did it cost?
Thanks! I paid about $6,500 for mine.
Can you do a Death Save from a right side drain with a virtual table? (Or a Bang Back if it's the left drain)
Are you talking about nudging the ball? If so, yes it has nudge capabilities. I show this in the video about half the way through.
@@JMGENTERPRISES I saw the nudging. I mean more advanced maneuvers. Specifically the death save. th-cam.com/video/CZljaPDYpXs/w-d-xo.html
@@mcadork - Thanks for the including the link. I didn't even know what a death save was! Learned something new today. Haha. I wonder if you can do the death save if the ball drops down on the left side as well? I will have to give this a try on both my virtual pinball and real pin.
@@JMGENTERPRISES the left drain requires a " bang back" . Much more difficult.
@@mcadork - I'll look that up!
This is so cool! Tyler Durden at 3:31
Glad you think so! I agree! 😊
What are you missing out on buying the upcoming 4k At Games Legends virtual pin coming out at the end of the year for $1k? I guess some LEDs and the DOT matrix screen?
I haven't heard of that one. I know they have a $799 virtual pinball but it looks kinda weak. I will have to keep my eye out for their new one.
@@JMGENTERPRISES it's obviously going to be no where near the quality of this custom cab. Just thinking for those who don't want to spend actual pin money.
@@jessepotter365 I hear ya. But hey, even a 4k screen is awesome to have on one! I am excited to see how it looks.
It seems like the top Quarter of the right hand side LED strip are burned out.
Good eye! Yeah, he sent me a replacement strip and all is well now.