It is cross section of the US population between 1950-67. We could easily see the Reasons why USA led the world in those times. Varied job profiles, unadulterated shy general population. Gifted stars. Human face of the celebrities. This programme not only is very entertaining, it is a great study material of that era. Thanks a million for opening this window for us.
Arlene Francis was always the quintessential lady. She reminds me of my precious mother, and that’s why, I believe, I dearly love watching these old episodes of “What’s My Line?” Here’s to my sweet mom (1928 - 2002), who I miss very much. But I know I’ll see her again, because she’s the one who taught me about Jesus.❤️
I love what you wrote about your Mom! My Mom taught me about Jesus, too! :) I love her dearly for that! She also, like your Mom, passed away in her early 70s, and I miss her dearly!! :( My young adult daughter has decided, much to my disappointment, that Jesus was not the Savior of the World! :( Even though I always took her to the Church every week, prayed every day with her, studied the Scriptures, and professed my sincere and deep belief to her of His divinity and my love and appreciation for Him! Of course, I still have hope for her, and pray that as she matures, she will see the light again, but I'll just keep loving her in the meantime and hope that my young little granddaughter will believe in Jesus, too! On a lighter note, Arlene is such a beautiful, intelligent, and witty delight of a woman, that anyone would be glad to have her for a grandmother, mother, aunt, sister, or a friend. :)
Oh, yes, my precious mother's life: August 1936 to January 2007. She was the kindest, most positive person I knew. Never had anything bad to say about anybody.
@@deboraholsen2504 Tell your daughter that I'm on her side. My own mom lived from 1913 to 2005. Maybe she was rewarded with a long life for not believing in Jesus.
@deboraholsen2504 May your daughter truly believe one day. Leaning on the promise, "If they're raised in the things of the Lord, they shall not depart."!
12:47 Hahaha, the panelists' imitation of John's "We want to be perfectly fair" was hilarious, perfectly synchronized, and even their inflection was spot-on! I simply adore the close camaraderie of the WML regulars.
Bobby Nichols won only 1 major championship while coming close in several others If my memory is right, I believe I caddied in a practice round in the early 1970s with him in our two-some the day before a tournament began. Nice guy. He is still alive and in his mid-80's. Arlene Francis always looks good on this show. Thanks for the video.
Martin: "To what do you attribute your unemployment, Sir?" Peter: "I have a very rich wife." Arlene: "That's a darn good answer Marty, keep it in mind." hahahahaha I'm dying. I wish Martin had been the 4th permanent panel member, I LOVE him and Arlene together.
@downtonabbeyfreak - I adore Martin and think he added a great deal to the show. I would be hard put to have to decide between him and Tony Randall as the 4th permanent panelist because they were both so smart and funny in different ways. And they both had a warm way with people and knew what the point of their time on air was: to entertain and to keep the program moving at a good clip.
@@aileen694 Martin was busy in theater, acting or producing, much of the time. He had one of the best voices in the history of theater and was one of our most talented stage presences ever. His voice was commanding of our attention and thoroughly humanistic in how it affected us.
Peter Lawford was a fine and charming actor back in the day - and this comes across here. He was (at this time) still trying to work through his grief over the loss of his beloved brother-in-law, President John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated the previous November. Years later, Peter's agent/manager, would recount how Lawford (at this time) would drink to excess, and break-down with heavy sobs whenever he spoke of JFK - which was often. Mr. Lawford and his wife "Pat" would soon separate (after this WML show) and divorce in early 1966. The drinking and drugs would become worse as the years went on, but Mr. Lawford would continue to make television appearances ("The Doris Day Show" - and many "Game Shows") throughout the 1960's and 70's. RIP to a very bright soul!
When the show resumed live telecasts seven weeks later, the set underwent some prominent changes. Gone were the "woven" pattern walls that had been in use since February 8, 1959, and in their place were the much-more-refined-textured-pattern walls, with horizontal lines. The set would then undergo a few further changes after that, most notably, the removal of all sponsor I.D.s from the panel and host's desks, and the chalkboard. As Gil Fates stated in his Production Log book: "No Set I.D. From Here Out".
The mic is live enough to pick up Peter Lawford saying, "That was fun!" and John Daly saying, "Yeah. We're, we're going to have to make this quick, if you don't mind." (23:40-23:46)
I've been watching him in Password almost concurrently to WML. I'm up to the same year in both. So I might even have watched the ones he's referring to.
I grew up in the Tarpon Springs area, where the old Diamond Shoelace factory was. I only saw it abandoned, so it was out of business by the 80s. The building is long gone now.
The audience go wild for Peter Lawford but I've never heard of him. I enjoy finding out why the mystery guest is famous and what happened to him or her after the appearance on the show. Sometimes the comments give a clue - this show is rare on TH-cam in that most of the comments are thoughtful and well-written.
Peter Lawford was in movies, had a tv series in the 1950’s. He was married to President Kennedy’s sister Patricia. He knew about the circumstances of Marilyn Monroe’s death and make a death bed confession to his wife regarding Marilyn’s death
Peter Lawford was not only a very fine actor but he was part of Frank Sinatra's Rat Pack he actually had homes in Las Vegas and I almost bought his house in Palm Springs and he was not just affiliated with the Kennedy family he married one of them JFK's sisters and he was indeed responsible for actually getting the Rat Pack including Frank Sinatra to support JFK in his run for president
I love these old WML episodes! I get that John holds his hand up in front of the challenger’s face when he has a conference with them so that the panel can’t possibly lip read what’s being said, but it just looks so weird every time he does it. 🤓
Last live episode of the 1963-1964 television season. The next six episodes will be pre-taped. But we're also going to be getting episodes that Gary previously didn't have.
***** Just as with Jack Palance's italian yesterday, I couldn't tell if this was real or a Sid Caesar double talk routine. Yes, I'm that hopeless at languages other than english.
Within a year and a half, Peter Lawford's marriage to Patricia Kennedy Lawford would end in divorce. The final decree was granted on 1 February 1966. (Peter and Pat had four children during their almost 12 years of marriage.) In addition to his 1964 appearances on this episode of WML? - and his upcoming appearances on "Password" - Peter Lawford had also guested on an episode of "The Judy Garland Show" which aired in February of 1964. And he had a leading role in the hideous Warner Bros. film "Dead Ringer," which had opened in the U.S. in February of 1964. (The movie was directed by Paul Henreid, and its principal cast also included Bette Davis (in a double role), Karl Malden, Philip Carey, Jean Hagen, George Macready, Estelle Winwood, and George Chandler. Peter Lawford had starred in two TV series in the 1950s. He played advice columnist Bill Hastings in "Dear Phoebe," which ran for 32 half-hour episodes on NBC in 1954-55. (His co-stars were Marcia Henderson and Charles Lane.) And he played Nick Charles in "The Thin Man," which ran for 76 half-hour episodes on NBC during the 1957-58 and 1958-59 seasons. (His co-star, Phyllis Kirk, was blacklisted from movies and TV in 1959 because of her active involvement in far left-wing politics.) By the way: This episode was the last of Peter Lawford's 7 appearances on the original CBS "What's My Line?" He had appeared four times as Mystery Guest (6/28/1953, 5/13/1956, 5/12/1963, and 7/16/1964) and three times as a guest panelist (6/3/1956, 1/13/1957, and 1/27/1957). He must have been a good game-player, because he appeared as a panelist/participant on "The Name's The Same," "What's My Line?", "Password," "I've Got A Secret," "The Match Game," "The Hollywood Squares," "Blankety Blanks," and the "Pyramid" shows over the years.
Oh well, another Hollywood high flying nose diving crash. He fell so far, I read, he was dying on a sofa in his own filth at the end. Even the Kennedy family refused to contribute any monies for his funeral. Hollywood tale of woe.
@@brucemarsico6 That story of Peter dying on a dirty couch is pure Hollywood lore - Peter Lawford died at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in late 1984 from cardiac arrest. It's quite true that excess drinking and drugs had taken a huge physical toll on him, and he passed at the relatively young age of 61. It's also true that the tight-fisted Kennedy clan refused to help with Lawford's funeral expenses - much of this was due to the fact that Peter had said "too much" during various interviews he gave regarding JFK and Marilyn, and was forever cut off.
Like so many MGs, but not like the best ones, Lawford did not want not to be guessed. Many of these folks must have been very insecure. They were getting nowhere with his accent, but with only two cards left, Lawford answered in his own voice that he was married to a wealthy woman. It was all over at that point. Very fun until then, but see the difference here compared with say the EG Marshall episode of just a week or two before.
Dorothy Kilgallen allegedly met Ron Pataky, theater critic of The Citizen-Journal of Columbus, Ohio, in June 1964, just weeks before this broadcast. But I can find nothing -- in newspaper archives or on the Internet itself -- about a July 1964 theatrical production in Columbus in which she starred, as announced here by Martin Gabel. It would be interesting to know more about this. As an actress, she appeared in a film called Sinner Take All in 1936 Dorothy Kilgallen Movie Star when she was in her early 20s, playing the part of a journalist (what else?) and made a cameo appearance in 1964 in Pajama Party.
romeman01 Yes, that really surprised me, the reference to Dorothy appearing in a play! I'll have to keep that on my radar to see if I can dig anything up on it, but probably it was only covered in local papers.
Bobby Nichols score of 271 is excellent for 72 holes of golf in a major championship (4 rounds, 18 holes per round). However the record score in the PGA wasn't that meaningful in 1964. Prior to 1958, the PGA Championship was contested as a match play event so the total score for the tournament wasn't kept. In match play, you are only playing against the golfer going around with you. Win the most holes and you continue while your opponent is eliminated. In stroke play (previously known as medal play), you are playing against the entire field at all times. One really bad hole can spell disaster, whereas in match play, you only lost one hole. It doesn't matter if you lost it by 1 stroke or 10 strokes. Nichols held the record for 30 years. It was broken by Nick Price in 1994 who shot a 269, and again the following year by both Steve Elkington and Colin Montgomerie who both shot a 267 (Elkington won the playoff on the first playoff hole. It was the only major he ever won.) In 2018, Brooks Koepka set the current record for the PGA with a 72 hole total of 264, breaking the previous record of 265 by Davis Toms in 2001. However, lowest total score can be a misleading record. Koepka's record was achieved on a course rated at par 70 for 18 holes from the championship tees. Therefore he was 16 under par for the tournament. The record for lowest score below par in the PGA is held by Jason Day in 2015 who was -20 on a par 72 course. In contrast, Nichols' total score was 9 under par. Part of the first segment of this episode included Bennett Cerf and John Daly comparing notes as duffers on the links. But some years later, there was another John Daly who was a championship golfer on his best days. He won the PGA in 1991, his first year on the tour and who made the tournament only because Nick Price withdrew at the last minute because his wife was about to give birth. This John Daly is known for hitting the longest drives of all the pro golfers, but also for inconsistent play, and for much of his career anger and alcohol problems. Now at age 52, he sometimes plays on the PGA Champions Tour for players over 50, sometimes plays on the regular tour when he qualifies and sometimes plays on the European tour.
Dorothy seems especially giddy. Could it be because she'd just returned from Columbus, the home of her new boy toy, Ron Pataky, whom she'd met the month before in Europe?
***** It was fully mutual. She had sniped at him over and over again in her column. They were once good friends, and she was a big booster of his career. It's not clear how their friendship got soured.
Lawford got cut out of the Rat Pack when Kennedy wanted to distance himself from Sinatra due to mob ties and Frank thought Lawford should be able to keep him connected to Kennedy.
+stlmopoet Very true. The only Rat Packer to keep in contact with Lawford after that was Sammy. But then after Sammy famously hugged Nixon, Lawford wanted nothing to do with him.
+stlmopoet Very true. The only Rat Packer to keep in contact with Lawford after that was Sammy. But then after Sammy famously hugged Nixon, Lawford wanted nothing to do with him.
What's My Line? ~ Though Dorothy Kilgallen and Frank Sinatra were fairly good friends for several years and were photographed rehearsing in a radio studio for a 1948 broadcast, they had a falling out after she wrote a multipart 1956 front-page feature story titled "The Frank Sinatra Story." In addition to the New York Journal-American, Hearst-owned newspapers across the United States ran the story. Thereafter Sinatra made derogatory comments about Kilgallen's physical appearance to his audiences at nightclubs in New York and Las Vegas, though he stopped short of mentioning her name on television or during interviews for magazines and newspapers.
@@sandrageorge3488 Dave Sanderson, yes, I think Martin lost weight for his role of Professor Moriarty in the show "Baker Street". BTW, if u can locate it, there's a terrific video of Martin singing in that production!
That was fun❤️Peter lawford. Does anybody know what his last comment to Arlene Francis was I can’t make it out either I’m decent at French but I don’t understand what he saying?
Believe it or not, Peter Lawford was technically native in French, as he grew up in France through most of his childhood, so you could technically say he's a native speaker.
Why did the Voice of [New York’s] Broadway visit Columbus, Ohio in July 1964? Martin Gabel says she has done just that. If she thought she could have fun trying to be an actress in a play by the late Brendan Behan, why not do so in a New York production? Why Columbus, Ohio?
OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! I wish everyone would just STOP already insinuating that Arlene was drunk!! She does act like it, but If she was drunk, they'd never allow her on the panel!!
She and Martin were both definitely tipsy. One can hear it in their speech and see it in their actions. Krista, we've known them for 15 years now! Certainly you must be able to tell when they're not quite themselves?
Since when are shoelaces closer to the ankle than the toes? I would think most shoelaces end about the same distance from the base of the toes as they do from the ankles. They all tied shoes daily back before velcro, so why was John so sure of what is demonstrably incorrect?
How Could They Not Recognize that Unique (and - while I say this Definitively; I say this Carefully); how could they Not Recognize his Distinct, Unique "Croon?.??? .!.. o.O ESPECIALLY.. Dorothy ,!,???.?,.?,?? O.o
Why did Bennett Cerf make his questions so long-winded? Example....."in the course of your professional career do you ever raise your voice in song"? in stead of "are you a professional singer"? 15 words vs 5 words
This episode re-raises an issue that sometimes occurs to me when watching these shows -- How meaningful is it to say that someone who owns a factory actually "makes" the product of said factory? Is it really right to say that she made shoelaces? Surely her line is manager or factory owner.
***** Technically true, but I think the distinction being made is between manufacturing (whether directly or indirectly) versus selling, or testing, or designing a product. Those seem to be the major categories used on WML for people whose line involved retail products.
That slow, drawly, croaky way that Arlene is talking around the 14:40 to the 15 minute mark is just the style of speech among the womenfolk on this show that makes some people think there's alcohol involved. Not me! Personally I think it's some shortlived fashion thing for the time, some groovy Manhattan cool way of affecting the mode of casual. When Dorothy does it in tne very slightest people say she's drunk despite the fact she's suitably sharp, coherent and effective. I just wanted to draw attention to it because I've noticed this style for Arlene and Dorothy creep in since about 1962 or so!! It's not 'drink', they're unwittingly taking on some sort of 60s "cool". You know people get into a 'thing' just as nowadays it's a 'thing' to say 'you know what?' or 'so' at the beginning of what they have to say.
@@josephpalermo4538 Yes, exactly....not one of them! But, back in those times the Kennedys were the warm new breath of spring over the land. Handsome young Jack and beautiful sophisticated Jackie. Impeccably dressed, Jackie, was wearing a Chanel outfit when Jack was shot. People still cling to the memory of them...those that lived those years, as, you know, 'Camelot.'
@@robertcarran9585 Arlene was playing the utmost of the utmost of the Manhattan society women. Being cultured and charming and groomed for the salon set. There really was a near fanaticism for the Kennedys before 1963. It was almost Stalin like, not matter what they did. I know some people that almost worship them today. It's surreal.
The first guest left via the panel; I thought only the celebrity mystery guests did that? The regular contestants tend to exit to the right of John...? Was this changed as the years went by?
23:15 "if you are in any way related or part of the very superior Kennedy family" How grotesque. I'm sorry, Arlene, but this disgusting reverie toward the Kennedys is incredibly obnoxious.
![What's My Line? - Buddy Hackett; Carol Channing [panel] (Nov 29, 1964)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qQYQOKDnhoU/mqdefault.jpg)
![What's My Line? - Olivia de Havilland; Joseph L. Mankiewicz [panel] (Aug 9, 1964)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vAq-j2IauGw/mqdefault.jpg)
![What's My Line? - Floyd Patterson; Victor Borge [panel] (Feb 7, 1965)](/img/n.gif)
It is cross section of the US population between 1950-67. We could easily see the Reasons why USA led the world in those times. Varied job profiles, unadulterated shy general population. Gifted stars. Human face of the celebrities.
This programme not only is very entertaining, it is a great study material of that era. Thanks a million for opening this window for us.
Sadly, in 2023, I don't feel that America can ever get back to that happy "cross-section" again. (Though, I hope I am wrong).
I never get tired of watching these shows.
Me neither, I find them the perfect relaxing tool
I'm on my third round
Arlene Francis was always the quintessential lady. She reminds me of my precious mother, and that’s why, I believe, I dearly love watching these old episodes of “What’s My Line?”
Here’s to my sweet mom (1928 - 2002), who I miss very much. But I know I’ll see her again, because she’s the one who taught me about Jesus.❤️
I love what you wrote about your Mom! My Mom taught me about Jesus, too! :) I love her dearly for that! She also, like your Mom, passed away in her early 70s, and I miss her dearly!! :( My young adult daughter has decided, much to my disappointment, that Jesus was not the Savior of the World! :( Even though I always took her to the Church every week, prayed every day with her, studied the Scriptures, and professed my sincere and deep belief to her of His divinity and my love and appreciation for Him! Of course, I still have hope for her, and pray that as she matures, she will see the light again, but I'll just keep loving her in the meantime and hope that my young little granddaughter will believe in Jesus, too!
On a lighter note, Arlene is such a beautiful, intelligent, and witty delight of a woman, that anyone would be glad to have her for a grandmother, mother, aunt, sister, or a friend. :)
Oh, yes, my precious mother's life: August 1936 to January 2007. She was the kindest, most positive person I knew. Never had anything bad to say about anybody.
Growing up in Sunday School taught me about Jesus.. MY parents aren't even Christians
@@deboraholsen2504 Tell your daughter that I'm on her side. My own mom lived from 1913 to 2005. Maybe she was rewarded with a long life for not believing in Jesus.
@deboraholsen2504
May your daughter truly believe one day. Leaning on the promise, "If they're raised in the things of the Lord, they shall not depart."!
I just love this program.
12:47 Hahaha, the panelists' imitation of John's "We want to be perfectly fair" was hilarious, perfectly synchronized, and even their inflection was spot-on! I simply adore the close camaraderie of the WML regulars.
Bobby Nichols won only 1 major championship while coming close in several others If my memory is right, I believe I caddied in a practice round in the early 1970s with him in our two-some the day before a tournament began. Nice guy. He is still alive and in his mid-80's. Arlene Francis always looks good on this show. Thanks for the video.
Martin: "To what do you attribute your unemployment, Sir?"
Peter: "I have a very rich wife."
Arlene: "That's a darn good answer Marty, keep it in mind."
hahahahaha I'm dying. I wish Martin had been the 4th permanent panel member, I LOVE him and Arlene together.
I love Martin Gabel! He's so bright and dry.
@downtonabbeyfreak - I adore Martin and think he added a great deal to the show. I would be hard put to have to decide between him and Tony Randall as the 4th permanent panelist because they were both so smart and funny in different ways. And they both had a warm way with people and knew what the point of their time on air was: to entertain and to keep the program moving at a good clip.
@@philippapay4352 Well said! And Martin's voice alone was enough to grab my attention!
@@aileen694 Martin was busy in theater, acting or producing, much of the time. He had one of the best voices in the history of theater and was one of our most talented stage presences ever. His voice was commanding of our attention and thoroughly humanistic in how it affected us.
Peter Lawford was a fine and charming actor back in the day - and this comes across here. He was (at this time) still trying to work through his grief over the loss of his beloved brother-in-law, President John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated the previous November. Years later, Peter's agent/manager, would recount how Lawford (at this time) would drink to excess, and break-down with heavy sobs whenever he spoke of JFK - which was often. Mr. Lawford and his wife "Pat" would soon separate (after this WML show) and divorce in early 1966. The drinking and drugs would become worse as the years went on, but Mr. Lawford would continue to make television appearances ("The Doris Day Show" - and many "Game Shows") throughout the 1960's and 70's. RIP to a very bright soul!
When the show resumed live telecasts seven weeks later, the set underwent some prominent changes.
Gone were the "woven" pattern walls that had been in use since February 8, 1959, and in their place were the much-more-refined-textured-pattern walls, with horizontal lines. The set would then undergo a few further changes after that, most notably, the removal of all sponsor I.D.s from the panel and host's desks, and the chalkboard.
As Gil Fates stated in his Production Log book: "No Set I.D. From Here Out".
***** Great info, Vahan. Thanks!
The mic is live enough to pick up Peter Lawford saying, "That was fun!" and John Daly saying, "Yeah. We're, we're going to have to make this quick, if you don't mind." (23:40-23:46)
romeman01 Thanks for catching that-- I figured it was something along those lines, but it's nice to know what he actually said!
Lawford was a tremendous Password player. I saw him in the early-mid 70s.
I think he held the record for the fastest lightning round! It was something like 18 seconds...
I've been watching him in Password almost concurrently to WML. I'm up to the same year in both. So I might even have watched the ones he's referring to.
Im at about the same place in the year in the Password shows! He's so good at them. And handsome.😊
It seems like nice people watch and comment on these videos.
I was going to agree with you. Then I read some of the comments. Thinking do we really need to go there ?
It's a quiet and cozy little alley; a secret passageway, hidden between the tubes. 😄
Peter was a great Mystery guest!!
I grew up in the Tarpon Springs area, where the old Diamond Shoelace factory was. I only saw it abandoned, so it was out of business by the 80s. The building is long gone now.
The audience go wild for Peter Lawford but I've never heard of him. I enjoy finding out why the mystery guest is famous and what happened to him or her after the appearance on the show. Sometimes the comments give a clue - this show is rare on TH-cam in that most of the comments are thoughtful and well-written.
He was part of the rat pack in Vegas and married Jack Kennedy's sister.
Peter Lawford married into the Kennedy family and acted as liaison between show business and the family.
I know my aunt had a thing for him that my mom said was an obsession.
Peter Lawford was in movies, had a tv series in the 1950’s. He was married to President Kennedy’s sister Patricia. He knew about the circumstances of Marilyn Monroe’s death and make a death bed confession to his wife regarding Marilyn’s death
Peter Lawford was not only a very fine actor but he was part of Frank Sinatra's Rat Pack he actually had homes in Las Vegas and I almost bought his house in Palm Springs and he was not just affiliated with the Kennedy family he married one of them JFK's sisters and he was indeed responsible for actually getting the Rat Pack including Frank Sinatra to support JFK in his run for president
I love these old WML episodes! I get that John holds his hand up in front of the challenger’s face when he has a conference with them so that the panel can’t possibly lip read what’s being said, but it just looks so weird every time he does it. 🤓
Last live episode of the 1963-1964 television season.
The next six episodes will be pre-taped. But we're also going to be getting episodes that Gary previously didn't have.
+Vahan Nisanian Do you know why they didn't do live shows during that 6 week period?
Jeff Vaughn Beets me.
*****
Haha! OK. Maybe they just took the summer off. Thanks!
Peter Lawford was British, and spent a good while in France, hence his fluency in the French language.
Even speaking in French, his voice is so particular that I was a bit surprised how long it took them to get him.
***** Just as with Jack Palance's italian yesterday, I couldn't tell if this was real or a Sid Caesar double talk routine. Yes, I'm that hopeless at languages other than english.
+TheGadgetPanda he did the same voice on a previous episode.
Cerf knew the golfer's identity from the start.
Peter Lawford's French is impeccable.
A rather underestimated fellow.
He grew up in France.
Handsome
Within a year and a half, Peter Lawford's marriage to Patricia Kennedy Lawford would end in divorce. The final decree was granted on 1 February 1966. (Peter and Pat had four children during their almost 12 years of marriage.)
In addition to his 1964 appearances on this episode of WML? - and his upcoming appearances on "Password" - Peter Lawford had also guested on an episode of "The Judy Garland Show" which aired in February of 1964. And he had a leading role in the hideous Warner Bros. film "Dead Ringer," which had opened in the U.S. in February of 1964. (The movie was directed by Paul Henreid, and its principal cast also included Bette Davis (in a double role), Karl Malden, Philip Carey, Jean Hagen, George Macready, Estelle Winwood, and George Chandler.
Peter Lawford had starred in two TV series in the 1950s. He played advice columnist Bill Hastings in "Dear Phoebe," which ran for 32 half-hour episodes on NBC in 1954-55. (His co-stars were Marcia Henderson and Charles Lane.) And he played Nick Charles in "The Thin Man," which ran for 76 half-hour episodes on NBC during the 1957-58 and 1958-59 seasons. (His co-star, Phyllis Kirk, was blacklisted from movies and TV in 1959 because of her active involvement in far left-wing politics.)
By the way: This episode was the last of Peter Lawford's 7 appearances on the original CBS "What's My Line?" He had appeared four times as Mystery Guest (6/28/1953, 5/13/1956, 5/12/1963, and 7/16/1964) and three times as a guest panelist (6/3/1956, 1/13/1957, and 1/27/1957). He must have been a good game-player, because he appeared as a panelist/participant on "The Name's The Same," "What's My Line?", "Password," "I've Got A Secret," "The Match Game," "The Hollywood Squares," "Blankety Blanks," and the "Pyramid" shows over the years.
Oh well, another Hollywood high flying nose diving crash. He fell so far, I read, he was dying on a sofa in his own filth at the end. Even the Kennedy family refused to contribute any monies for his funeral. Hollywood tale of woe.
@@brucemarsico6 That story of Peter dying on a dirty couch is pure Hollywood lore - Peter Lawford died at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in late 1984 from cardiac arrest. It's quite true that excess drinking and drugs had taken a huge physical toll on him, and he passed at the relatively young age of 61. It's also true that the tight-fisted Kennedy clan refused to help with Lawford's funeral expenses - much of this was due to the fact that Peter had said "too much" during various interviews he gave regarding JFK and Marilyn, and was forever cut off.
The shoelace lady was adorable
When Peter Lawford signed-in, it was likely a reference to "Son of Lassie".
That's what I was thinking. That may have been his first starring role.
Like so many MGs, but not like the best ones, Lawford did not want not to be guessed. Many of these folks must have been very insecure. They were getting nowhere with his accent, but with only two cards left, Lawford answered in his own voice that he was married to a wealthy woman. It was all over at that point. Very fun until then, but see the difference here compared with say the EG Marshall episode of just a week or two before.
It looks like, as the shoelace lady was shaking hands, that Martin said something to Arlene that caused her to wake up a tad.
I agree with Mr. Daly that that was good fun!
It's cool that we can see all these episode.
And even cooler are the interesting things you can read in the comments, some of them posted ages ago. 😊
Only 41 here! Loved the good life
Dorothy Kilgallen allegedly met Ron Pataky, theater critic of The Citizen-Journal of Columbus, Ohio, in June 1964, just weeks before this broadcast. But I can find nothing -- in newspaper archives or on the Internet itself -- about a July 1964 theatrical production in Columbus in which she starred, as announced here by Martin Gabel. It would be interesting to know more about this. As an actress, she appeared in a film called Sinner Take All in 1936 Dorothy Kilgallen Movie Star when she was in her early 20s, playing the part of a journalist (what else?) and made a cameo appearance in 1964 in Pajama Party.
romeman01 Yes, that really surprised me, the reference to Dorothy appearing in a play! I'll have to keep that on my radar to see if I can dig anything up on it, but probably it was only covered in local papers.
That was a fun episode.
WE WANT TO BE PERFECTLY FAIR! LOLOLOLOLOL!
That was a HOOT!!
He said that MANY times
Bennett and I have a lot in common when it comes to playing golf
Bobby Nichols score of 271 is excellent for 72 holes of golf in a major championship (4 rounds, 18 holes per round). However the record score in the PGA wasn't that meaningful in 1964. Prior to 1958, the PGA Championship was contested as a match play event so the total score for the tournament wasn't kept. In match play, you are only playing against the golfer going around with you. Win the most holes and you continue while your opponent is eliminated. In stroke play (previously known as medal play), you are playing against the entire field at all times. One really bad hole can spell disaster, whereas in match play, you only lost one hole. It doesn't matter if you lost it by 1 stroke or 10 strokes.
Nichols held the record for 30 years. It was broken by Nick Price in 1994 who shot a 269, and again the following year by both Steve Elkington and Colin Montgomerie who both shot a 267 (Elkington won the playoff on the first playoff hole. It was the only major he ever won.)
In 2018, Brooks Koepka set the current record for the PGA with a 72 hole total of 264, breaking the previous record of 265 by Davis Toms in 2001. However, lowest total score can be a misleading record. Koepka's record was achieved on a course rated at par 70 for 18 holes from the championship tees. Therefore he was 16 under par for the tournament. The record for lowest score below par in the PGA is held by Jason Day in 2015 who was -20 on a par 72 course. In contrast, Nichols' total score was 9 under par.
Part of the first segment of this episode included Bennett Cerf and John Daly comparing notes as duffers on the links. But some years later, there was another John Daly who was a championship golfer on his best days. He won the PGA in 1991, his first year on the tour and who made the tournament only because Nick Price withdrew at the last minute because his wife was about to give birth. This John Daly is known for hitting the longest drives of all the pro golfers, but also for inconsistent play, and for much of his career anger and alcohol problems. Now at age 52, he sometimes plays on the PGA Champions Tour for players over 50, sometimes plays on the regular tour when he qualifies and sometimes plays on the European tour.
Can’t Cerf ever controll himself! Nerver shuts up?
Meant to post wing the wong number
Dorothy seems especially giddy. Could it be because she'd just returned from Columbus, the home of her new boy toy, Ron Pataky, whom she'd met the month before in Europe?
*_PROFESSIONAL GOLFER (1964 PGA CHAMPION)_*
*_MAKES SHOELACES_*
Fellow Rat Packer Frank Sinatra apparently had not-so-kind remarks to Dorothy Kilgallen.
***** It was fully mutual. She had sniped at him over and over again in her column. They were once good friends, and she was a big booster of his career. It's not clear how their friendship got soured.
Lawford got cut out of the Rat Pack when Kennedy wanted to distance himself from Sinatra due to mob ties and Frank thought Lawford should be able to keep him connected to Kennedy.
+stlmopoet Very true. The only Rat Packer to keep in contact with Lawford after that was Sammy. But then after Sammy famously hugged Nixon, Lawford wanted nothing to do with him.
+stlmopoet Very true. The only Rat Packer to keep in contact with Lawford after that was Sammy. But then after Sammy famously hugged Nixon, Lawford wanted nothing to do with him.
What's My Line? ~ Though Dorothy Kilgallen and Frank Sinatra were fairly good friends for several years and were photographed rehearsing in a radio studio for a 1948 broadcast, they had a falling out after she wrote a multipart 1956 front-page feature story titled "The Frank Sinatra Story." In addition to the New York Journal-American, Hearst-owned newspapers across the United States ran the story. Thereafter Sinatra made derogatory comments about Kilgallen's physical appearance to his audiences at nightclubs in New York and Las Vegas, though he stopped short of mentioning her name on television or during interviews for magazines and newspapers.
Hey! Martin Gabel's lost weight here.
He did that for parts he was playing.
@@sandrageorge3488 Dave Sanderson, yes, I think Martin lost weight for his role of Professor Moriarty in the show "Baker Street". BTW, if u can locate it, there's a terrific video of Martin singing in that production!
That was fun❤️Peter lawford.
Does anybody know what his last comment to Arlene Francis was I can’t make it out either I’m decent at French but I don’t understand what he saying?
In eleven years Peter Lawford aged 25 years...looked at WML 1953 before this.
He was only about 41 in this appearance.
What a long last name the second challenger has!
12:46...that was great :)
vbacs22 - Yes! “We want to be perfectly fair!” Inspired. :D
"That's a darn good answer Marty, keep it in mind." 🤣🤣
Dorothy looks very pretty on this episode.
Dorothy had many virtues but looking pretty was not one. Even if she had a chin she’d be average looking .
@@stevekru6518 Nasty remark! We all have different expectations of what is "pretty".....or what is "handsome"...
They all do. Wish they did that today.
Believe it or not, Peter Lawford was technically native in French, as he grew up in France through most of his childhood, so you could technically say he's a native speaker.
Arlene's just a little in the bag, methinks.
Yeah, the narrowed eyes alone were enough to give it away. Some of her most hilarious performances on here were when she was similarly “relaxed.” 😆
interesting from 17:19 on...
"We want to be perfectly fair." LOL
Was that Lawford's third time on the show? He got a divorce from the Kennedy clan wife of his within a few years of this show.
Both Arlene and Martin appear to have been medicated at the time (rather than being mildly inhebriated).
Why did the Voice of [New York’s] Broadway visit Columbus, Ohio in July 1964? Martin Gabel says she has done just that. If she thought she could have fun trying to be an actress in a play by the late Brendan Behan, why not do so in a New York production? Why Columbus, Ohio?
OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! I wish everyone would just STOP already insinuating that Arlene was drunk!! She does act like it, but If she was drunk, they'd never allow her on the panel!!
She and Martin were both definitely tipsy. One can hear it in their speech and see it in their actions. Krista, we've known them for 15 years now! Certainly you must be able to tell when they're not quite themselves?
Oh come now, there are many Sunday evenings where one and usually more of them were at least a little tipsy!
@@charlesfranklinlambeth3944 "A little tipsy"...yes! And why not, I say? 😁
Yes they would...frequently more than one or all would go on the show a little bit loaded you might say
@@robbob1234 wrong again brudda
Since when are shoelaces closer to the ankle than the toes? I would think most shoelaces end about the same distance from the base of the toes as they do from the ankles. They all tied shoes daily back before velcro, so why was John so sure of what is demonstrably incorrect?
Arlene seems a bit tired. She's not as peppy.
Drunk is more like it!!!
What a funny joke .
Go Martin!
Peter Lawford gained a lot of weight over the last 10 years.
Booze n drugs
Alcohol bloat?
Wing the wing number joke would be considered racist how times have changed
Here's a worse one I can think of, which actually involves race: Two Wongs don't make a white.
Not considered racist whatsoever. Only by thin skinned humourless morons
How Could They Not Recognize that Unique (and - while I say this Definitively; I say this Carefully); how could they Not Recognize his Distinct, Unique "Croon?.??? .!.. o.O ESPECIALLY.. Dorothy ,!,???.?,.?,?? O.o
How come Peter Lawford is suddenly so popular?? Dear me!!
He always was.
"Wing the Wong number"...... O M G. Try doing that joke in today's society....
+Galileocan g And Bennett steps on John Daly's punch line which is always in poor taste no matter how bad the joke.
+Galileocan g I thought it was hilarious.
I agree. We need to laugh at ourselves and stop looking for things to find offensive. So tired of it all.
I agree whole-heartedly!
I would post another such joke, but two Wongs don't make a white.
I'm glad Dorothy is in this episode. Dang. It is so irritating that these males continue to call grown women girls.
And so did Arlene...she was guilty of using the terms "girl" and "boy"...for adults
At that time it was common not a derogatory term
Men call each other boys too. Choose not to be offended. You'll live happier.
Why did Bennett Cerf make his questions so long-winded? Example....."in the course of your professional career do you ever raise your voice in song"? in stead of "are you a professional singer"? 15 words vs 5 words
Cause Bennett was pretentious SNOB!!!
@@josephpalermo4538 No kidding. Either that or the panel was getting paid by the word.
That's one of his standard questions.
This episode re-raises an issue that sometimes occurs to me when watching these shows -- How meaningful is it to say that someone who owns a factory actually "makes" the product of said factory? Is it really right to say that she made shoelaces? Surely her line is manager or factory owner.
***** Technically true, but I think the distinction being made is between manufacturing (whether directly or indirectly) versus selling, or testing, or designing a product. Those seem to be the major categories used on WML for people whose line involved retail products.
"eye roll"
Look how tired Arlene is here.
+Vahan Nisanian I was thinking she might have had a couple of cocktails with dinner before the show.
@@jvcomedy LOOL, I doubt it!
That slow, drawly, croaky way that Arlene is talking around the 14:40 to the 15 minute mark is just the style of speech among the womenfolk on this show that makes some people think there's alcohol involved. Not me!
Personally I think it's some shortlived fashion thing for the time, some groovy Manhattan cool way of affecting the mode of casual. When Dorothy does it in tne very slightest people say she's drunk despite the fact she's suitably sharp, coherent and effective.
I just wanted to draw attention to it because I've noticed this style for Arlene and Dorothy creep in since about 1962 or so!!
It's not 'drink', they're unwittingly taking on some sort of 60s "cool". You know people get into a 'thing' just as nowadays it's a 'thing' to say 'you know what?' or 'so' at the beginning of what they have to say.
Dave, I agree.
Once in awhile, the panelists East Coast accent disappears and they sound like they're from Kansas.
Training us to idol worship since the 1950’s.
Very superiour Kennedy family????Which member of that family might that be?
None of them!!!
@@josephpalermo4538 Yes, exactly....not one of them! But, back in those times the Kennedys were the warm new breath of spring over the land. Handsome young Jack and beautiful sophisticated Jackie. Impeccably dressed, Jackie, was wearing a Chanel outfit when Jack was shot. People still cling to the memory of them...those that lived those years, as, you know, 'Camelot.'
@@robertcarran9585 Arlene was playing the utmost of the utmost of the Manhattan society women. Being cultured and charming and groomed for the salon set. There really was a near fanaticism for the Kennedys before 1963. It was almost Stalin like, not matter what they did. I know some people that almost worship them today. It's surreal.
Great Show! Jesus Loves You My Dear Friends! John 3:16
Jesus is a fictional character.
Belief in your own hallucinations is insanity. Belief in others' hallucinations is religion.
The first guest left via the panel; I thought only the celebrity mystery guests did that? The regular contestants tend to exit to the right of John...? Was this changed as the years went by?
Kenneth Butler - Yes the practice became the norm in later episodes.
is it only me who feels Arlin being a bit tipsy on the show?..
This sure was a good TV program, but it sure got tiresome, repeating the mystery guest so many times.
Cerf should've disqualified himself concerning the golfer...but he's a cheater
23:15 "if you are in any way related or part of the very superior Kennedy family"
How grotesque. I'm sorry, Arlene, but this disgusting reverie toward the Kennedys is incredibly obnoxious.
Golfers considering themselves athletes?! Seriously? (Hum...now where did I leave my golf cart?)
Damn Arlene is sooo drunk...
Lars Rye Jeppesen ~ I believe you’re right!!!
Lars Rye Jeppesen - Really?
@@shirleyrombough8173 lol of course not! (they wouldn't let her on here if she was)
this was an obvious setup--it was all planned
Chalk up Peter Lawford as the most annoying guest of all time.
Nope.
I do think your comment leans to the annoying side.
No, that little girl who had her own TV show was the most annoying, by far.