ABORTED takeoff (not clickbait!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2018
- EP130 / MELBOURNE: I had to do an aborted takeoff (or rejected takeoff) when I noted a warning light in the cockpit on my takeoff roll at Moorabbin Airport. I analyse the event in this video, and give you my tips on how I prepare for such an event.
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My grandfather once said: "It's better to be five minutes later in this world, than five minutes earlier to the next". He meant that in relation to driving and speeding, but I say that to myself all the time - sometimes it's just better to take a minute, and work out a problem whilst you're still around to do something about it.
Every take-off is voluntary. Every landing is mandatory.
Eliseo Arancibia not in lukla
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Wow! Good quote
@Eliseo Arancibia "Atlantis, Houston. Go around"
"Houston, Atlantis. Unable."
@Adam Ahmed Who lands in an airport with a Cirrus ? You've got the parachute for coming back to ground anywhere you want 😆
Excellent decision, better to be on the ground wishing you were up there than up there wishing you were down here. Fly safe
Thanks Byron, I love that phrase, I tell myself that fairly often when I'm busting to go fly but there's bad weather coming. Thanks, stef 👍
Stefan, just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your channel. So many pilots on TH-cam like to play it off like it's all so easy, and this can result in a lot of frustration for people trying to learn, like me. You acknowledge the every day difficulties and bring an honesty and humility to your work, and I feel I learn more from you than most of the others. Cheers from Los Angeles...
Good call and invaluable advice for anyone. "If you want to get somewhere fast dont try flying - take your time". My father taught me to call "AS Alive and increasing", then to look at the Ts&Ps. And now you know, on that type, a longer run-up/warm-up sorts that issue. Great video, thanks for being so open.
An excellent video, Stefan. Very educational.
I can't fault your decision making process.
Incredibly helpful Stefan. I just did the same thing in my Cirrus, only in my case it was the manifold pressure that popped into the yellow. I aborted the takeoff on Friday Harbor Island (Washington State USA). My mechanic told me something similar; essentially that the engines was still warming up due to colder weather. I flew the rest of the afternoon with a few more take offs - no issues with a warm engine. I am a rusty pilot getting back into flying after 25 years and new to the Cirrus, very challenging moment indeed. Thank you so much for your fantastic videos.
5:59 - Are they hatin'?
nice
The tryin' catch him ridin' dirty
nice
HAHAHAHA
instantly thought of that when he said that xd
Good decision process. You will be an old pilot and not a bold pilot. Thanks, Stefan.
That's the plan, thanks Paul 👍
Loved that you covered this topic, and the significant importance of making that decision. One could only imagine the problems you may have encountered, had you had an oil failure only 10-20 seconds or more after takeoff, had you simply ignored the high oil pressure and said 'Nah, she'll be right'. Always better to take the safest option and check things out whilst on the ground. Thanks for sharing!
A great reminder! Loving the vlogs and sharing your aviation experiences with you!
Good video Stefan. One additional self call I make as I taxi to runway hold point is after checking T&P's "if engine fails on takeoff...I'll control (yoke, stick forward)" and actually push it forward. Muscle memory will kick-in and save your bacon should it happen. This in a situation where you have an engine event with either runway remaining or not. The instinct is to pull back out of fear where in fact pushing forward will maintain airspeed.
Fantastic decision making Stefan! A well planned take-off profile is always so important. Too many times it's happened where a take-off was continued after ignoring better judgment, with nasty consequences. Keep up the great work, and well done!
Really like your vids Stefan. Your down to earth love of aviation is infectious!Loved this post extra because it contains such a big lesson we can all learn from presented in such a neat, simple and interesting way! Thx 🙏🏼
I appreciate that, thanks Anas
Safety above everything else! Delightfully insightful, thanks.
Wise decision Stef. I hope all the pilots will take note.
If you are in doubt, there is no doubt.
Weather you are in a hurry or not, do not compromise,
yield to safety. Excellent video. Thanks.
It’s always better being on the ground wishing you were in the air than being in the air wishing you were on the ground. You made the right call taking the safe option. Excellent video!
You are brilliant! Practical with great wisdom!
Excellent video. So informative and easy to understand. I’m just transitioning from ground based sims to actual flying lessons. I will always follow your procedures and excellent tutorials going forward!
Stefan - great decision to abort your takeoff...why take a problem into the air when its a lot less stressful to sort out the problem on the ground.
When I did my first training in the Cirrus simulator at Cirrus AVIA I noted that the airspeed was dead, so I aborted the take off. Charles the trainer said its amazing how many people take off with a dead airspeed indicator in his sim sessions.
Safe Flying - Robin
Hey Robin, nice work aborting that takeoff, sounds like you made a really good call. Yeah that's why I always do the same thing every time I start rolling, makes it easier to spot an abnormality like I had on that flight. Thanks for sharing your story, enjoy your flying, stef 👍
That is really good flying mindset ... that even in a sim you have developed the seriousness of actual flying. 👍
Thanks for sharing, Stefan.
This is brilliant. Well done Stef. Good decision making under pressure I can see your life flash before your eyes in this video for a second. Scary.
Coming from Flinders makes these videos so much more.enjoyable. I used to drive past Tooradin and it's beached ship every week as a child on the way to Drouin.
Take care mate and safe flying :)
Greetings from Colorado, brother! Excellent, thorough and professional presentation, mate. Love your channel.
Hello Colorado! I spent a little time in Denver a few years back. Always wanted to land at Aspen airport one day too, good challenge. Thanks for watching Mark, cheers mate, stef 👍
Telluride's the bomb, brother. Like your style. And your wings. I love what Cirrus has done. Kinda like Air Cam. And like Air Cam, you can build a better mouse trap, but you can't build in skill or common sense. You feel me?
My first and most relevant take off abort was in a Piper Aztec that I was flying to Lord Howe Island with some friends for a few days. Somewhere between the run ups and the take off roll the prop pitch cable for the right engine jammed (frayed in the cable guide) and it never went back to full fine for the take off. So as I looked for full power being developed by both engines the right was under reading. I closed the throttles and as you did rolled through to the runway end at Archerfield. It couldn't be repaired in time for our accommodation bookings so I put everyone into a C-182 and did the trip in that. I'm very lucky it didn't happen en rout or past the point of no return as there are no maintenance services on Lord Howe and getting a new cable over there wold have been a nightmare. Plus I wouldn't have been able to feather the engine if there was an issue. Three adults, one child and a raft. And a shit load of water. Great flight though. I'd add that to your trip bucket list for a great video if I were you.
Oh god, that MSFS2020 looks amazing!
super realistic with the super premium deluxe version
Good call Stefan - one of the beauties of aviation is you never stop learning....
Great one, thank you!
Quick decision process, good job.
Excellent decision making and analysis. Thanks for sharing!
Great bit of learning for me in this one. Much appreciated ! If in doubt, there is no doubt. Nice
Interesting vid as always Stef.
I do the same call outs when I am rolling, the only thing I do different is that I increase the power while holding the brakes, T&P in the green and then I release brakes to start the role. Then I check it again during the rolling phase as well. Thanks for the great tips and great airmanship.
Sounds similar to the short field procedure in the SR22, thanks for sharing, stef 👍
Hey Stefan.. thanks for the great tip, will make sure all my T&P's are green on my takeoff run. I actually saw you the other day across from my flight school "Learn to Fly", wanted to come over and say hi but had to leave or else I'd have missed my slot in the circuit.. and you know how crazy it gets in YMMB. I fly a Sling2 btw.. would love to fly the Cirrus one day for sure though :)
Just goes to prove the point that emergencies (or many other aviation related decisions) do not present themselves in convenient, cut and dried proforma. A sound decision making process has to take account of this and have, as it's goal, the simplification of time critical decisions (as much as possible). Your process achieves precisely that and you made a completely sound series of decisions here. Bravo and thanks for your channel.
Thanks Brian, appreciate the comment.
Stefan, another great video and it’s great to see you doing all of your procedures and debriefing yourself on the situation!
Thanks Lachlan, glad I could share the debrief with everyone, hope it helps a few others out there who may ever be in the same situation one day.
Smart flyer ! Nice to know your making the right decisions. 😎🏁
Awesome video. And very nicely explained. Step by step. Liked your way of approach to emergency situation.
I'm the like number 6001🥳
BTW very good video and... wise words👍
Wow. I wouldn't have thought of that, re oil quantity. Interesting. Great lesson, cheers mate.
Excellent. I aborted a couple years ago due to a dead mag - took me 4-5 seconds to call it off, thinking the mixture was too rich?? A good friend and very experienced pilot later gave me his advice, in that he's always looking for a reason NOT to take-off during the take-off phase. Events like this are rare, but we have to be ready for them. Thanks for posting - this one is great viewing for the ab-initios especially.
Exactly. My mental take-off briefings are "We are going to accelerate down the runway and abort because we will have an issue, except that if we don't we'll rotate at 60 and climb out at 70 when the engine will fail so we are going to land straight ahead and brake as much as possible before the end of the runway, but if it happens to fail a bit later we are going to land basically ahead with small left or right turns to put it down in the best place we can find so as we don't kill anybody ideally including ourselves, unless the engine fails when we are above 600 AGL that we may elect to return to the runway, and if it didn't fail by then we will perform the after take-off check list and head South. I don't say it that way because it would take too long, but that's the mindset: Work hard so nothing bad happens (flight planning, W&B, performance check, pre-flight, use of checklists, follow procedures, etc) but always assume that the worst will happen.
@sactu1 Reminds me off the space shuttle. They had 2 main error handling profiles. An SSME engine not working on the ground - abort. In the air - pray you keep the 2 remaining.
You can always go around. I love that song. Cool!
Jack Lahm you can always abort take
Good call. Great info. Thanks and continue to fly safe.
Great decision. You can never be to careful when it comes to aviation safety. Thanks for sharing.
GREAT video, not only did you do the correct thing, but you learned something at the same time. Good pilot! !! !!!
Interesting that the oil temp gauge didn’t leave any clues.
Great work.
Good decision, I learned couple of things too from your video. Thanks!
Hey Stefan it’s Nikolas again, great job on making the decision to abort that take off due to the pressure difficulty. I’ve never had to abort a take off and I hopefully never will. Also just an update on getting my rpl, I’ve got my pre area solo exam on Sunday which I think will go well, but I’m really exited about doing the rpl exam in a few weeks and getting a Nav Rating because I’m going to finish my rpl before I turn 16
Absolutely perfect decision making!
Great vid. Excellent decision making process.
Thanks for the advice! CPL student here, and I found it very useful.
I had a similar issue today - oil pressure was borderline yellow on run-ups, so I decided to see how it went on takeoff, and abort if necessary. Oil pressure went up to mid-yellow area on takeoff roll, so I aborted takeoff without hesitation.
Went back to the flying school, and after inspection by an instructor, the aircraft is now off for maintenance.
Sounds like a great decision, not just for your own sake but for anyone else that may have flown it after you. Nice command decision making Captain.
Great decision and excellent video. You presented this video in an analytical format, which was interesting. The bottom line was, you simply put safety first. Well done ! You’ll NEVER go wrong doing that.
excellent airmanship - thanks for sharing.
Thanks Alian, much appreciated, stef 👍
Love this. I had a magneto failure during power checks last year and it does take a few seconds for your brain to look and absorb the data "this isn't right" and react. Good job.
Thanks Andy, much appreciated, stef 👍
I love your periodic table mug mate, got on sat on my desk right now
Great video!! Nice insights in to your thought process!!!
Thanks Tomasxt25, glad you enjoyed that. It was useful for me as a debriefing exercise as well. Cheers, stef 👍
One of your best vids... thanks for sharing
Great content!
Well put together!
Thank you very much!
Great video, mate! I really like your conservative approach to safety. I hope this will be an example to many others. Cheers and have a great day
You did the right thing, and you are definitely seeing a good example.
Great call. Nicely done !!!
Love it! Way to play it safe.
good airmanship mate!
Great and very useful channel Stefan, good job 👍
Just a question about your video and audio editor, what video and audio editor you using?
Great educational video! I aborted a take off recently as well: My CFI and I decided to do a short field take off at a runway intersection. We had plenty of room, but, as we accelerated down, those trees at the end got too close (and tall) for my liking. I simply cut the power, and although my CFI was surprised at my action, I just told him "I'm aborting" and stuck with it.
What I learned is that when you make a critical decision like this, for God's sake dont change your mind again; those few seconds I cut the power used up too much runway for us to probably make it.
And although we could totally have made it and flown off happily initially, it just didnt seem right to me. Maybe because of a lack of experience, but as you said, when in doubt, there's no doubt!
Thanks for sharing that story and I totally agree - indecision is the worst outcome. Making a decision and following through with it is our jobs as pilots. Sounds like you made a really good decision when you didn't feel the takeoff was right, good one! Thanks again, stef 👍
Informative - thanks.
I think you did exactly the right thing, Stefan. Good procedure, good decision. Better than getting up in the sky and finding out you had a blocked oil line that resulted in a catastrophic failure.
Thanks Gary, that was definitely my thinking, stef 👍
Well done. So many unfortunate circumstances could be avoided with good solid decision making like this.
Excellent decision making process.
Thank you for welcoming me, I really like aviation in whole, planes, drones. I would like to learn!
but my math is not my strong suit, a simulation game just seems a bit redundant (any tip?).
Maybe you can do a video about how you started or tip guide how to start?
Thank you for providing me interesting and engaging content in these times. Peace.
"about there" is when the panic set in lol
Didn’t see any panic at all. I saw calculated ADM in progress
Sept.2019, just found this. Best decision on your part ever. Beginning Subscription !
Thanks for sharing, Stef. I vividly remember being stuck for 15 minutes at the hold-short line down the far end of Rwy35L returning to the apron from 35R in the traffic chaos last week (I was waiting for so long that CloudAhoy auto-stopped on me!) and wondering why they wouldn't let me cross the displaced threshold... the one that you just tore through at high speed. Now I know! (It's your fault. :-) )
Yessir. Fine call. Well done.
Well done!
"If you're in doubt, there is no doubt." That's a good phrase to remember even if you're not a pilot. ;)
Thanks Jason, I use that in my head with driving sometimes as well.
Great, rather be safe than sorry. Enjoyed the video. Thumbs up.
Perfekt handling, good Job!
Safty first!
Just found your channel, good helpful contents. I fly a skybox Gazelle from Tyabb. Subscribed
Seen a couple of your videos and this one is definitely the one that made me subscribe to your channel. Cheers mate!
That's great to hear, thanks for subscribing Jobin.
Hi Stefan, rewatched this one tonight - your comment to contact maintenance made me smile. Don’t get me wrong, very sound thinking and I liked the way you shut down and took a breather.
I was remembering a 2014 event where we rejected a takeoff in a 777 (I was the “spare” captain in the jump seat for a longhaul to OZ). As the power went though 60% N1 a config warning went off (it’s REALLY loud)m I think 2 or 3 of us had a silent grin to ourselves after the initial startle because we assumed Old Mate was still turning on the tiller when he gunned the engines and triggered the “CONFIG MAIN GEAR STEERING” (I’ve done it a couple of times 😬😁). A second later we all spotted that it was, in fact, a “CONFIG SPOILERS”, meaning they were sensed not down when they should have been for takeoff. The handle was down and everything appeared correct but the warning wouldn’t go away -what can you do? Same as you, idle the engines (just below the 85kts ground speed that would have jammed on maximum autobrake) and rolled off at the next exit.
Now here’s why I’m smiling - I called engineering while the two in the front were dealing with other stuff - engineering had a look at the telemetry and said……… “I don’t know, just try it again”!
So we did, never heard another peep out of it.
Good vid. Never be shy about chopping power when you do that roll out cross check. Been there done this myself. Rolling out, look down and airspeed indicator is dead. Cut the power and ease on the brakes. Simple loose pitot tube behind the panel fixed it and I wasn't trying to fly the plane blind to airspeed...
Thanks for sharing that, yes it's become habit for me over the years to do those checks on rollout. I know one pilot who had to land his aircraft by judging power and attitude alone, without an ASI. He was really experienced though, not sure how most 'regular' pilots like me would go with a situation like that. I'd rather be on the ground fixing it! Cheers, stef 👍
It reminds me of that other guys 3 strike rule. If he answers negatively to his 3 check questions, one of which includes his mental fortitude, he won't fly. 2 out of 3 requires deep consideration before deciding to fly.
Nicely done....
Best choice. And the smartest. You did great. You are a responsible pilot
youre a great pilot mate..... Love ya work👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Very good video. As a pilot anything you are uncomfortable with is a reason to stop and take a closer look. Really enjoy your videos. Keep them coming!
Great video Stefan. Any reason why that particular aircraft has a bigger oil tank? Just wondering.
Great video really enjoyed that one
Bravo! Thanks for this! Helps us new flyers out! Learning to be safe!! Thank you!!
No worries Andrew, thanks for watching and good luck with your training, stef 👍
You are a great Pilot! Thanks for making it alive and exciting! I am learning so much from you! You have a great teaching style! Please sign up for the upcoming Real.Video too!
I love your videos!!!
Love your videos! Just found you on TH-cam. I've subscribed, and turned on notifications.
Ayy Ayye Captain! The best part, you didn't panic 😅
Thanks Chinar, yes there's no place for panic in a cockpit. Thanks for watching, stef 👍
The bloody coffee shop ....😂😂😂
Great decision. Thank you for your video. It was very informative. Be safe.
Another great video Stef. Thanks! On that Cirrus JKN, does the oil pressure stay near the top of the green arc or eventually come down as it warms? it's great to be aware of the differences.
BTW I reckon it was The Gods trying to delay you until coffee was available at Tooradin ;-)
Haha cheers Tony, the coffee gods are a powerful force in Melbourne 😀Yeah that pressure comes down eventually as the oil heats up.
Wow mate, just found your channel! Certainly very inspiring :)
I'm a pilot myself. I agree with your decision completely. Could you have said "The heck with, let's go for it!" and everything might have been fine. Or the oil, being thicker than normal, might have stressed something. And... well, as the old saying goes:
"There are old pilots, and bold pilots. But no old, bold pilots".
Great vid as usual Stef. I aborted a takeoff recently in a 172 that I hadn’t flown in ages. Strip around 1000m, trees at the end, I noticed that it wasn’t making full power RPM. Pulled throttle back and aborted. It turned out after talking with someone on the field that it had been fitted with a cruise prop and so full power indicated an RPM at the very bottom of the green! So all fine in the end but I didn’t regret my decision for a minute.
Also, something to remember if you abort...assuming you are still on the ground, keep that yoke ALL the way back for max aerodynamic braking effect.
Thanks for sharing that, sound like a similar situation to mine in that the aircraft COULD have taken off safely but the decision to abort was still the right one, because you weren't sure. And on the yoke, I was getting close to rotation speed when I aborted so didn't want to pull full back stick in case that actually lifted the wheels up and lost me brake authority. As there was a lot of runway in front of me, instead I let the aircraft roll out to lose the airspeed. Possibly could have applied some back pressure as I slowed, but as I said, plenty of runway. Thanks for the feedback AusPilot, stef 👍
That's normal in the Cirrus sr22 like you said about the cold oil. Usually at start I will make sure my oil temps are 160-170 before take off.
Wonderfully instructive. Going to the SR22, did you read through a lot of systems documentation? Although on a different scale, I remember reading QF32 by Capt. Richard de Crespigny - he read A380 manuals solidly for three months. Also recently spoke to Qantas first officer trasitioning from the A380 to the Dreamliner - an 18 month process! There is such a depth of knowledge in good pilots. Do you have to memorise non-normal checklists? By the way, I like the Qantas Dash 8 Q400 model.
Yeah I've got the Cirrus POH on my iPad and used that in my training, I also refer back to it fairly often actually. Quite frequently flicking through it in the evenings on the couch. I'm also being asked about procedures regularly by the CSIPs I fly with, just this morning we were discussing a take-off procedure question too. So, long answer, but yes the documentation is a big part of the training and ongoing awareness of the aircraft systems.
And thanks re the Q400 - birthday present from my amazing family. They know what I like 😄