(The timestamps in the description are off) 2:47 Dane-KS | 14 BCE Bracelet Proves The Bible 18:10 Jamaal-CA | Consciousness Is The Soul 46:10 James-SC | Animals Living In Original Sin 55:15 Jelmer-NL | Remove The Word Existence 1:05:47 Jack-FL | Transcendental Argument For God 1:20:07 Jon-CA | BLM Is Harming Black People 1:25:20 Vanamali-IL | Difference Between Religion And Death Cults
Mesoamerican archaeologist here: we have found lots of Quetzalcoatl statues, according to the first caller Quetzalcoatl is true since people worshipped it. 🙄
Hi , this is unrelated to the show but from the look of your job you may be the man ☺ So, do you have any good suggestions for recent reliable info on the ancient Mayan ?
Cool. I was able to visit Chichen Itza, and I'd really like to learn more about Mayan history and culture. Do you have any recommended reading for someone who isn't an archeologist?
@@loki2240 I really hope hes looking out for us 👍😍 Chichen itza is a beautiful place,, i wish i had known more of their story before i went. It was marvelous but in retrospect it feels like such a superficial visit on my part. Would love to learn more. And return...
@@bellezavuddDo you want to hang out with me in Hollywood Florida at Hollywoof 🐕 dog park? I had to give my dogs up last year, due to new condo rules. I'm so depressed. 😢
Totally impressed by Everyday Atheist. He is a quiet, patient listener, and every time he opens his mouth he goes directly to heart of the conversation, succinctly and clearly. He is always perfectly calm and makes his points without any personal emotional involvement. What a great host. I look forward to more of his appearances on this show. Don't get me wrong. I love Matt's fiery passion. But I am also a new fan of Everyday Atheist.
@@lemmon-up4er Emotional, passionate, whatever you want to call it, it’s appreciated. I don’t think I’d have the patience either if I were to be in his position. He’s been doing this show for 16+ years
When I get invited to a church (to keep the peace) and when the collection plate passes by I don’t reach for my wallet. I pull out my phone and send a donation to this show while sitting on a pew.
@@apc5213 Call the show and take it up with Matt, instead of lurking around in the comment section talking shit in replies on others comments, instead of writing your own, and see how it's received? I agree with Matt, if they go off the rails, talk without listening, make bad analogies and false conclusions... then it is not only fair to disrupt them, ask for clarification, their definitions for things, and to straighten them out, but kind of the whole reason for the show! To point out irrational beliefs and behaviors associated with them, as well as explain how and why they are bad, incorrect, based on untruths, or downright wrong. Way too much time is wasted letting people just blabber on spewing garbage unchallenged, and so much of it, it cannot all be addressed, let alone retained until after a 10 minute absurd dissertation. as if being open minded means blindly believing absurdities and dismissing every illogic in their spiel, and your own knowledge and understanding!
@@crispyblack8779 this isn't a debate platform. It's a call in talk show. I don't like Shannon either. It's the fake social justice warrior which makes her unwatchable for me. I am glad you like them though. Means you get to watch and donate to more shows than I.
Dane!-- It was an amulet, not a bracelet. It has been preliminarily dated by pottery found in the area to be in the 1220-1000 BCE range. At this time, there has been no official dating, and no published results, just an announcement. It is lead, not pottery, and wouldn't use the same dating techniques. Voltammetry is a complicated process to date lead, and is only accurate to within about 150 years. The pottery is centuries later than Joshua, who was set in 1406 BCE to about 25 years later, 1380-ish BCE. Even though it was found by a biblical archaeology group, the group has made no claim to tie it to this curse in Deuteronomy. They are professionals who have real training and real jobs at secular institutions. The site has been claimed to be a temple by its original discoverers back in the 1980s, but that's widely disputed. It could very easily be a farmhouse. It's on the wrong side of the mountain to have been from the passage Deuteronomy. It aligns with the Septuagint for which mountain it's on, but disagrees with the Samaritan Pentateuch and the dead sea scrolls. (There are a lot of known errors in the Septuagint.) It's certainly too new for Joshua's temple. This is a super interesting find, but it's probably going to work against the bible. The writings we have that were set in the Joshua and earlier time periods were actually written centuries later. Joshua and Deuteronomy would've been written about 640 BCE at the earliest. This amulet contains not only a much earlier written proto-Canaanite language, but it's an early reference to YHWH: “Cursed, cursed, cursed - cursed by the God YHW. You will die cursed. Cursed you will surely die. Cursed by YHW - cursed, cursed, cursed.” Note the YHW, not YHWH. This is important. The Canaanites had the god El, the plural Elohim, and at some point YHWH Elohim. The origin of YHWH has been postulated as not being native to the Canaanites, and instead having been imported in from southern lands. There is an Eqyptian inscription "𓇌𓉔𓍯𓅱 yhwꜣw" "Shasu of Yhw" from the time of Amenhotep III (1402-1363 BCE) where the Shasu were people in the southern lands, and YHW was a place. If this amulet means anything, it could be a confirmation that the entire idea of YHWH was imported into the land of the Canaanites from the south. (And the Hebrews are Canaanites.) It's at the very minimum a fascinating piece for both anthropology and linguistics.
23:22 Matt says, “ Go ahead Justin” to seemingly allow him to also participate with the caller he’s monopolized. Justin gets 2 words in and Matt just plows over top of him with no apology and never looks back??
Jamaal: "There's no evidence that consciousness arrives from the brain." Well clearly we're dealing with someone who's never been knocked out by a blow to the head.
00:00 Intro 02:54 Dane-KS | Dane-KS | 14 BCE Bracelet Proves The Bible 18:10 Jamaal-CA | Consciousness Is The Soul 42:16 Messages and the wonderful crew 43:53 ACA Recently on the Shows 46:10 James-SC | Animals Living In Original Sin 55:13 Jelmer-(NL) | Remove The Word Existence 1:05:48 Jack-FL | Transcendental Argument For God 1:20:07 Jon-(CA) | BLM Is Harming Black People 1:25:22 Vanamali-IL | Difference Between Religion And Death Cults
The first caller. This is what happens when laymen try to interpret archaelogy. For starters, the Pentateuch is written in iron age Hebrew, the monarchic period, well into the 1st millenium BCE. This weird view that it was written in some archaic Hebrew is wishful conjecture that presupposes that Moses or Joshua or the like had anything to do with writing the Bible. The text doesn't actually identify the author or even hint at it. On the contrary, the author never states to be an eyewitness, but is clearly writing much later. See for example Gen. 12:6, 13:7, 36:31, Deut. 1:1, 34:5. Secondly, finding an artifact that would bring some credence to one story of the Bible, brings credence to only that particular story. That doesn't bleed into other stories and definitely not other books. All archaelogist agree that the accuracy of the Bible is not 100%, nor is it 0%. It's something in between. The further the story is from the writing, the less accurate it seems to get. If you find a piece of jewellery that bumps Joshua's account from like 20% to 25%, congratulations. Now you need to work on the other 75%. And much of it is totally wrong, like Jericho having walls in that time period or many of the cities being conquered etc. It's highly coloured and distorted memories of probably partly historical events.
Jon clearly was reading something he'd taken the time to organize and write down prior to the call and still managed to completely bungle his argument. Impressive.
@@ookeekthelibrarian - Hey, he could've changed his position since his last call, and he called TAE to criticize BLM and claim that black people need some god, despite the likelihood that a theist becoming an agnostic would find it more important to discuss their loss of belief in the existence of deities with TAE, and despite the apparent contradiction in an agnostic claiming that black people need a god... 😂
@@MrOttopants - He's often angry, too. So, it's not like people who say (reluctantly or almost reluctantly) that they "believe homosexuality is a sin because the Bible says so." He often has anger and conviction, when he says something bigoted.
Haven’t watched in a while but really liking the new format with the minute time frame. It’s fair (not that it wasn’t before) and prevents them from using the excuse that they were cutoff or weren’t given time etc.
Jelmer - "You and I agree that if something is true, it's true and if something is not true, it's not true....therefore you're wrong and I'm right." The whole world just got dumber.
(completely Tongue in cheek) Growing up, I learned this definition: If you believe something outrageous, you are eccentric. If you connvince 10 people, you are a group of weirdos. if you convince 100 people you are a cult. If you convince 100,000, you are a religion.
@Bob Bob 1. Is an fallacy of etymology. Christians and flat earthers pull this stunt and gets their butts handed to them all their time. Did you really think it would magicaly go different for you. 2. *pronoun* /ˈprəʊnaʊn/ Learn to pronounce noun a word that can function as a noun phrase used by itself and that refers either to the participants in the discourse or to someone or something mentioned elsewhere in the discourse.
@Bob Bob Then you're an idiot because your 1st point previously is a fallacious appeal regardless of number of genders and if you have something accurate to say, you shouldn't feel such desperation to use a 1800s definition of anything, to state that what is accurate in that case. And you're still conflating terminology as what you're arguing for isn't even gender but if you were honest with that notion you'd lose your only talking point. So no you don't have anything accurate to share with anyone because you won't start with an accurate starting point. Once you've stopped mistaken the map for the place we can finally get somewhere.
Hey Matt, if you're reading this, it's great to see you so relaxed and more your old self. This is the Matt Dillahunty who won me over to the Atheist Experience many years ago. The Everyday Atheist seems like a terrific guy, too and a welcome addition to the show.
For sure miss the old Matt. This new Matt is so crotchety and short. To the point where they had to come up with a timer to keep him from derailing conversations within 10 seconds. Hope you keep it up Matt because if not, AXP will lose a subscriber.
This is the best show I've seen in a long time. The theist arguments were more sophisticated (enough about slavery already!) and Justin is a wonderful co-host. We need to hear more from Justin, so I hope you'll have him on often. Matt was, as usual, incisive and crisp. Every week he saves us from people who would babble, proselytize and gish-gallop us into a near-suicidal state of mind.
A priest (Juan) found out about an island where its people never, never heard of God, Alah, or any other deity. Let alone of any religion. And there was no crime, no killings, nobody lied. It was a very peace loving community. So Juan rented a boat and went to this island with a bunch of bibles. He was welcomed as the first foreigner to ever visit them; they set up a big lunch table with plenty of fine food under a beautiful blue sky. Then Juan began to preach; to make it short, he talked about a couple that were not supposed to eat certain apple, and because they dissobeyed, all people are born sinful and all the calamities happen because that sin. And he aded that, if you don't believe in this, at their death they would be thrown into a lake of eternal flames to suffer for eternity. That's when the party ended; he was put back on the boat and got the title of persona non gratta.
He was the lucky one. Other tribes that do have spirits of some sort would stick his innards up a tree like a demented Christmas tree and sacrifice the rest of him in a fire 🔥 🤷♂️
@@Elaphe472 Yeah they are, I However were referring to other tribes in other places of the world in other times. Infact the example I gave while it's not far from what could happen to people in some places of the world has happened, is based on what the aincent Scandinavian people did with the very first Monks and people to preach the word of their god, when they first arrived in the country, were offered to Wodan(ahead of the classic era vikings obviously). While the ceremony still exists people aren't strung up anymore and even during the classic Viking Era stringing up someone as such happened only rarely out in the boonies.
Christianity poisoned the world. Take Hawaii for example. They played naked but Christians said it was evil. Now they wear clothes. There was no word in the Hawaiian language for ‘steal’ but Christians destroyed that too. Christianity destroyed countless cultures for power and greed. Imagine the world if Christianity never existed.
Wow, we found a bracelet from a believer that has a "curse" written in it. Showing that at one point in time it shows people believed in god at one point. No way shows one actually existing.
Yeah, it proves ignorant, backward people live in every generation. It’s sad how today’s people reject all the knowledge and science in the past 2000 years and willfully decide to believe ancient, backward, primitive and anonymous men.
No, it does not show that _people believed in god._ It shows that at least ONE person had the concept of a curse (a curse does not require any god, just magick/karma/…). It does not even show they *believed* in any curses, only that they had the concept and found it interesting/funny/a nice prank to create/modify that bracelet. Pranksters have been around for a long time. See all the trickster gods/totems/spirits/beings/… as evidence …
I found an image of Jesus on a freshly deposited cow pattie. Should I contact the Vatican to report the miracle? Theists will say it’s a sign from their god. But why would their god appear in fecal material? Oh never mind, one of my other cows stepped in it and now there’s an image of a devil in the smashed cow poop. This religious stuff is so confusing.
I like the Spiderman comeback: A thousand years from now, they discover a Spiderman item. It shows Spiderman swinging thru NY. Sure NY existed, but that does not mean Spiderman did. But, Spiderman isn't worshipped. Rev. Jim Jones was. Look where it got those people. God's done a lot worse according to the Bible.
Props to you James for researching your indoctrinated faith and after 50 years! Glad you had the free time to do that, and epistemic know-how to change your worldview. You're a smart man.
Jelmer always does this. The hosts could be in mid-sentence and he'll start talking as if they aren't. Not that he has anything profound to say, it's usually bs like: "Mathematics breaks down inside of a black hole, therefor logic is wrong."
Jelmer seems to think a very, VERY specific circumstance should be applied to everything everywhere. That way he can say that since “logic breaks down” anything he can come up with is true. It’s the same way the people who know for a fact they have nothing supporting the thing they attach their lives to will say “well people can be wrong” as a way to get around basic evidence. For some reason very dumb seemingly narcissistic people seem to think that if they just claim “well what about…” then that’s their invitation to just make up whatever.
It’s always the same ‘burden of proof problem’: he suggests the possibility of a “paradoxical logic/state” and demands that others either accept it or prove it wrong. Yet he never bothers to demonstrate that this logic could exist or does exist. As with the mentioned black hole example. ‘You can’t prove that logic doesn’t break down in there’, so “gotcha!”. Jelmer, yes, I accept that when I cross the road there is either a car coming or there is not a car coming. Don’t waste our time with a supposed third option unless you have some demonstration for it.
His major flaw is that he switches terms Everytime he calls but no one has ever called him out on it. Actually Shannon did but got overtalked. Helmer said it this way, " if we are discussing gods existence, then we are just speculating on the true nature of reality". That is wrong. That's why he says to Matt, "so you are saying reality is not defined". And Matt says no. He overtalks because if he isn't agreed with, he doesn't even register that they are talking. So his calls only focus on the concept of A or not A. If he ever let hosts talk, they would end up arguing his real mistake in thinking saying god exists or not exists means that question has ANYTHING to do with how reality is defined. Neither topic has anything to do with the other. Yet he can't stop fighting about it.
I’ve experienced OBEs since I was a small child. They are quite an interesting brain state, where some of the higher cognitive functions of the brain are active during the brain’s sleep cycle, when normally they are not. However, no one has ever been able to accurately “leave their body” and investigate the world around them during this state. The brain seems to create a replica of the world we expect to see. Almost like a spontaneous generation of a virtual reality environment. There is absolutely zero evidence that our consciousness projects itself outside the brain into the actual physical world around us. OBEs are indicative of nothing more than how awesome our brains can be. No need to apply magic. I really wish people would give credit where it’s due.
Jamaal: Science can't explain consciousness but Christianity has an explanation - the soul. This argument is the same as "You can't explain those loud sounds coming from the sky but my tribe knows it's Thor. You guys got nothing, we have Thor, THEREFORE, THOR!" T-shirt!
@@jamierichardson7683 to be fair Odin was impaled with a spear, and hung from a tree. But he did it to himself to gain knowledge of other worlds and understand runes.
You mistakenly fused two separate topics into one. That's like you saying a building and an automobile are the same because each has doors and windows. And then you would assume that anyone who disagreed with you is denying buildings and automobiles have doors and windows.
@@johnh7939 Analogy- a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect. (A is to B as C is to D) Jamaal: "You don't have an explanation for consciousness. Therefore, souls." (A is to B) Grady's comparison: "You don't have an explanation for thunder. Therefore, Thor." (C is to D) Edit: Forgot to mention that the common aspect of the two is an argument from ignorance.
I can explain reality; otherwise, I wouldn't be here. As for the religious cult of atheism, it has no factual basis. That’s’ why no atheist has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. Atheism makes no sense, because reality makes no sense without God. It's time to dump your atheist cult. It's ideas are not only WRONG, but proven to be IMPOSSIBLE. Atheism is the very definition of being lost & clueless
Yes but if they share that delusion among all 100 000s of them it's an protected free speech thing. But it only works if the belief itself is Unfalsifiable. So with a belief that incorporate falsification credentials, you're a loonie like anyone else.
Imaginary friends differ from delusions or hallucinations (symptoms of psychosis) in that the child knows they are not real and is in control of them. Christians on the other hand believe their imaginary friend is real and actually gives a damn about them and where they stick their genitals.
I think bobbob👆 doesn't want to defend his/her transdimensional tulpa 😋 but will happily diminish him/herself in everyone's midst by displaying his/her fundievangelicon christian hatriotism .👌
@@cartesiancircle Exactly 💯 He's been told repeatedly why starting with an inaccurate understanding of gender won't get him anywhere. He can use the word as often as he like but he's never going to be arguing the concept as defined by the term because he refuses to correct his categorical error. It would be identical to me wanting to argue comics by using the word "comics" but refusing then to budge from applying the meaning of the word "video games". It's incredibly childish.
It’s a sad state of affairs that guys like Jamaal dismiss what we know about the brain, yet cling to “near death experiences” which can only ever be personal because he thinks it validates his concept of some supernatural “soul”. Which he can’t really define or demonstrate other than that it’s the thing that’s responsible for your personality. What does this “soul” look like and how does it interact physically which it would need to do constantly? How can we remove a soul? Why do people with severe brain damage, wind up comatose, in a vegetative state, or severe personality shifts if that stuff is controlled by “soul”? I’ll never understand why people who think like him never ask these questions.
I am not sure whether call-in shows simply attract a lot of people who seem to operate under a delusion that leads them to believe they are intelligent people , or if callers are simply a representative slice of humanity in general. This particular show -- with Dane, Jamaal, Jelmer, Jack and Jon in particular -- should have listened to Abe Lincoln's famous quote, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." Because, they ALL successfully removed any and all doubt....
@@unclecarmine6239 1. English is not everyone's first language. 2. Rich coming from a dude that doesn't capitalize or end his own sentence correctly. 😚
@@unclecarmine6239 No you're the old timer for both not recognizing a sentence and for not recognizing bub was said in humor. Get your glasses gramps both your assertions are empty.
@Dewyu Nohmi - A dead person's soul attempted to post a comment, but TH-cam won't show it because dead people don't buy things from TH-cam's advertisers... 😜
My favorite bit from that call was "There's no evidence that consciousness arrives from the brain." Clearly the dude has never been knocked unconscious, you know... because he hit his head... where the brain is stored. 🤦♂️
Also “People worshipped it, therefor it’s true”. 😂 So I guess in a thousand years Star Wars will be proven true when archaeologists dig up census data where people put down “Jedi” under religion. Along with toy light sabers, Star Wars costumes and movie props.
@@kaiza6467 They've found multiple silver hammers in the Nordics, therefore Thor is real. Oh, and wasn't there a red cape found in NYC? Superman must be real, too. What is wrong with religious people?
That ‘altar’ is an iron age watchtower. The altar claim has been debunked. The original archeologist who made the claim, Adam Zertal, wouldn’t submit artifacts to scientific testing to date the pottery shards.
Oh my god. It's Jelmer again. I thought the dude was already banned. Whenever he calls in the dutch have an entire week of mourning and shame. Oke it's good that he keeps trying over and over again. Had a lengthy discussion with him. He is too stuck in his mumbo jumbo and he is completely disconnected from reality.
@@mrfarts5176 really. So there are two possibilities here either you wrote this response or you didn't. Con you come up with any possible proposition in which that ain't true. I spoke with this dude. He never talks to understand. He only talks to unleash jibberish
I googled it as he was talking about it. It was an amulet. Discovered in a dirt waste pile, so no dating strata . Not being claimed as proving the bible, but proving that isreal was there first before the pallastinians. Apparently the 2cm square object was found after sifting tech had been developed 😂. Not a single part of the story proves anything.
Great show as usual guys 👍 , I would like Matt to allow the various co hosts to continue the chat when hes had enough though instead of dropping the call
"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them."
I feel like as soon as Jamaal conceded that hunger requires a brain, game over. We know about physiological causes and effects; we know about the nervous system.
This weekend I parked to talk to a group of street preachers on their video because they invited me to talk to them on camera. I agreed and amicably explained that the Bible endorses slavery and quoted verses. They turned the cameras off and threatened to beat the shit out of me off camera. Christian "love" at it's finest.
@Benji If there is a Devil (there's not) it would have been nice to have his back. Note to self, don't tell an angry group of black people that their Gospels are wrong.
@@ookeekthelibrarian I've been looking for the video based on the location, but I haven't found anything yet. I a was admittedly too afraid to to ask for their TH-cam link at the time because they were threatening to assault me with violence. Even thought it's not very flattering to me, if I find it I'll post it. I admittedly made many biblical mistakes about specific quotes. I'm fair, but doubt they are. If you see this, _please upload the video!_
@@ookeekthelibrarian We spoke last week on my work route. If they're still there and I have the courage to talk with them again without threats of violence, I'll converse again and ask for their TH-cam channel. Gotta love love that I, as atheist, am afraid to be honest with with a so-called, _"Christian."_ Violently assault anyone amicably disagrees with you. Kill them if necessary. In accordance to God!
Well, I'm sorry for your experience, as I am a Christian myself. I've never threatened to beat anybody up for disagreeing with my religious views. That thought has never occurred to me.
Matt missed his opportunity with Dane to say "Oh my! They found a bracelet that dates to Joshua's time. The Bible MUST be True! I am now a believer! Thank you, Dane, for opening my eyes to the ultimate Truth!" ... "Not."
Their super hero works in very lame ways. It’s funny that they think that their supposed god was thinking: “ I will leave this amulet here and in a few thousand years, they will find it and ALL will be revealed. Finally they will believe in me and worship me, Mwahahaha! I am so great and all knowing!” Good grief! I’d be so embarrassed and very puzzled, to have such an incompetent and stupid god like that.
I've been listening to Atheist Exp since 2007, and you know, watching Matt now versus back in the day - he's definitely more patient with people more so than back in the day. What I'm saying is - he's strict as shit, of course....but he HAS to be. After seeing how many time-wasters there are, or people who interrupt etc, with a limited time per caller on the show, he has to be direct. So back in the day - he never had a time count (which he now has). Back then, he'd just rip into the callers. Now, he tries his best to engage, and the experience and knowledge he now has allows the guy to cut to the chase, and hopefully get to the meat of the caller's talking points. Anyway, as always, I'm a massive fan of the show. Something I look forward to hearing every single Monday since 2007. Stay safe Matt (and Justin his co-host).
@@LPCLASSICAL I suppose that is why he cuts people off now as soon as they start rambling. In his mind (thankfully), he spots the error where they go wrong, and stops their talking point because, as he once said, it's pointless for the caller to carry on if it is incorrect and it is pointless to waste precious time. Out of curiosity - do you miss the old Matt? Or do you much prefer the Matt from about the 2015 onwards?
@@Domzdream I think in all stages of his development into what is today I like him. He was as sharp 10 years ago as he is today - but he is less tolerant. I'm glad the online atheist community has him on our side.
Every time I hear someone use God as an explanation for anything, what I hear is, _"A Bigger Mystery"._ When science gives us an explanation it increases our knowledge, and since no one knows _"how God does anything"_ it can never be more than *just a claim".*
I've read the article on the Bronze Bracelet and it says nothing as described by Dane. It's only 3,500 years old & found in the southeast Tzfat, Galilee. Then they speculate its "roughly about the time of Joseph." ........ that would like finding the jawbone of an ass and claiming Samson used it to slay the philistines.
As someone who deconstructed because of channels like this, Emma Thorne, Atheist Jr. and The Line approaching christianity in a polite and respectful way calling out the crazy religious videos online I'd say it's better to address them. For me at least, because I won't speak for anyone else, it helped me see the lies I've been living with for 35+ years and I've really worked through why I believed what I did for so long. So for me watching videos like this didn't strengthen my religion. It opened my mind to criticizing it. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for what you do. It's helped me more than words could ever express.
@@friendo6257 TAG stands for the Transcendental Argument for God. Very popular with the likes of Matt Slick. The 'argument' is that a specific God idea is one of those things that need to be presupposed to be true (believed without any evidence) in order for anything to make any sense.
1:09:53 Jack - FL: Either there is an extra reality, or we are tricked (unconsciously, or consciously by something) into believing that there is an external reality. That is, the hypothesis that there is an external reality is both the simplest explanation, and it explains our entire experience. The hypothesis that there is no external reality is completely unfounded, and comes in addition to the experience that there is an external reality. That is, we can cut the last one off with the occam's razor without losing explanatory power.
"I Know Because the Bible Tells Me So". So if the bibble scribble says the moon is made of cheese, you would believe it? The bibble was written by men not "god, and "god" was created in Man's own Image, not the other way around. Believe That!
46:50 I read this story of original sin in a different way, and I don't quite understand why I'm alone in this, so perhaps I'm wrong in my reasoning: They ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, right? Meaning at that point they knew right from wrong, so to speak. This doesn't mean they didn't do good and bad things before that, it just means they had no idea if the things they did were good or bad. And I don't see how this act itself would *cause* them to do bad things, simply because they now knew what things were bad and what things were good. Sin already existed. The fact that they were able to choose to eat the fruit, and that the snake was able to fool them into this, both mean sin existed before they actually took a bite of the fruit. Likewise, death already existed, which is why there was the fruit of everlasting life, which they didn't eat, and which God made sure they wouldn't also eat, so that they wouldn't *become* immortal, which they weren't already.
Theists never seem to realize that their philosophical arguments for the existence of God ultimately rest on making an unfounded assumption that the Bible's description of God is true. They'd be better off trying to come up with a philosophical proof that demonstrates how making an argument that's indistinguishable from trolling doesn't necessarily make you a troll. 'Cause it usually seems like trolls all the way down.
@cLIED is a Trans Fatty *FLACCID* - You assert that God is the default position. How many times do you have to go through this? Your god delusion is not the default position, according to ontology, and epistemology
@Bigoted Douche And we're all VERY impressed with how skillful you are at proving nothing. If being pointless is ever an Olympic event, I'm sure you'll bring home the gold.
"n unfounded assumption that the Bible's description of God is true. " Which Bible description of god? If you read all the passages in the Bible that describe god, god is like a Swiss army knife. Pick the passage you want and god can be whatever you want it to be at that moment.
I actually hate them, because they are the ones that f*ck up our nation and our world. Imagine how much better our nation would be , let alone the world if there was no religion, especially organized religion which controls our politicians to a huge extent. It sucks.
The time stamps are off. For instance the call that's listed as starting at 58:01 actually begins at about 55:16. The ones before that one are also off, but I didn't note the actual start times.
Jelmer appears stuck in a particularly stubborn little groove. And so does Jack. This TAG nonsense is such a damp squib and popularisers like Matt Slick have much to answer for.
Jelmer's argument was idiotic. On what basis did you decide that a clearly binary question would, if definitively answerable with reference to evidence (which it isn't, due to it being unfalsifiable), would require classical binary logic? Well, let's look at either end, and then at that middle that we are excluding (if there can be such a thing). At one end, there is gods don't exist, at the other there is n gods do exist, where Jelmer has limited n = 1. Are we really saying that there is a middle state in which either half a god exists (and half a god doesn't) or a god half exists? And, in the event that we are, are we really going to take that middle position seriously?
@jamaal - the only reason we don't have a materialist explanation for consciousness is because getting one would require some seriously unethical experiments.
I love Matt but this was my first time hearing about Everyday Atheist and I would have liked if he was given more of a chance to talk, I was interested in hearing what he had to say
Sounds to me like jamaal is confusing a scientist for the science. One or more scientists might believe a thing, but if they cannot demonstrate a scientific foundation for the belief, then the belief is unfounded. Some neurologists believing that there is a soul, but being unable to produce anything scientifically to support it would be like me saying "i believe in rainbow unicorns and i am sure they exist! But i have no way of proving it to you.", it's a case of cool story bro.
Hey @AXP tech team, just heads up the timestamp for where Jamaal ends and James starts is off by 3 minutes or more, might be worth an revisit/edit. You guys are the best, keep up the good work!
Sometimes when callers don’t answer a question it’s because they’re trying to avoid an unfavorable conclusion or to impede their interlocutor’s line of thought. I think more common than that, people don’t answer questions because they don’t understand it. And rather than ask for clarification, they think it preferable to say… something.
I find it so rude when callers come on and just acknowledge Matt, or whoever the main host is, they totally ignore the co-host although they can clearly see two hosts with their names on the screen., Bad Manners👎
34:55 - IMO, a better response to this is, the fact that there isn't a robust, comprehensive explanation doesn't mean that there isn't one at all. _"Consciousness is a first-person experience arising from certain brain activity"_ is an explanation. That we don't know everything about the mechanics or the origin of consciousness does nothing to diminish that the evidence overwhelmingly points in that direction. Notably, theists have no problem with this in their own arguments. They will often say that not knowing the precise mechanics of how god created the universe doesn't mean that we can't conclude that he did it. Other than self-interest, what treat this issue any differently?
I am Dutch and I do not apologise. He is digging deeper in shit arguments. I am aware there are devout Christians in the Netherlands and love to hear more non American Christians profess their beliefs
The concept of biblical archaeology just seems wrong. Sounds like the “archaeologists” are looking for artifacts which affirm the Bible. Doesn’t sound like real science
Yeah it’s kind of like science. If it has predictive power we assume it’s true. You have to presuppose it to use it, but once you use it you can prove it works.
Yeah, they are what we've got. Take 'em or leave 'em. Why they are what they are does not even strike me as being a sensible question, beyond noting that this is how the reality we know works.
(The timestamps in the description are off)
2:47 Dane-KS | 14 BCE Bracelet Proves The Bible
18:10 Jamaal-CA | Consciousness Is The Soul
46:10 James-SC | Animals Living In Original Sin
55:15 Jelmer-NL | Remove The Word Existence
1:05:47 Jack-FL | Transcendental Argument For God
1:20:07 Jon-CA | BLM Is Harming Black People
1:25:20 Vanamali-IL | Difference Between Religion And Death Cults
A big thank you from me as well! :)
Thank you.
Thanks. I guess nobody checked the time stamps this time.
Ty man, glad someone does this,👍🏻
Please pin this
Mesoamerican archaeologist here: we have found lots of Quetzalcoatl statues, according to the first caller Quetzalcoatl is true since people worshipped it. 🙄
Hi , this is unrelated to the show but from the look of your job you may be the man ☺
So, do you have any good suggestions for recent reliable info on the ancient Mayan ?
Cool. I was able to visit Chichen Itza, and I'd really like to learn more about Mayan history and culture. Do you have any recommended reading for someone who isn't an archeologist?
@@loki2240
I really hope hes looking out for us 👍😍
Chichen itza is a beautiful place,, i wish i had known more of their story before i went. It was marvelous but in retrospect it feels like such a superficial visit on my part. Would love to learn more. And return...
No doubt lol.
@@bellezavuddDo you want to hang out with me in Hollywood Florida at Hollywoof 🐕 dog park? I had to give my dogs up last year, due to new condo rules. I'm so depressed. 😢
Totally impressed by Everyday Atheist. He is a quiet, patient listener, and every time he opens his mouth he goes directly to heart of the conversation, succinctly and clearly. He is always perfectly calm and makes his points without any personal emotional involvement. What a great host. I look forward to more of his appearances on this show. Don't get me wrong. I love Matt's fiery passion. But I am also a new fan of Everyday Atheist.
Me too! From the first sentence he had me locked in!!!
Sometimes Matt's emotional
@@lemmon-up4er Emotional, passionate, whatever you want to call it, it’s appreciated. I don’t think I’d have the patience either if I were to be in his position. He’s been doing this show for 16+ years
When I get invited to a church (to keep the peace) and when the collection plate passes by I don’t reach for my wallet. I pull out my phone and send a donation to this show while sitting on a pew.
Leave a note? "A donation has been made in your name, to theAtheist Community of Heart Attack."
You could give them a check made out to god.
I really appreciate the Time Stamps and the Show Notes - Thank you AX...
@@unclecarmine6239 - I wouldn't call sycophancy. I'd call it handy. Each to their own though eh.
@@unclecarmine6239 eh to your eh
@@garygood6804 up your eh
Yes appreciated but they are off by about 3 minutes.
@@unclecarmine6239 Oh, it's the embarrassing uncle at the dinner party!
Congrats to Everyday Atheist for his debut on The Atheist Experience and hopefully this is the first of many more appearances.
quit babbling
@@apc5213 Call the show and take it up with Matt, instead of lurking around in the comment section talking shit in replies on others comments, instead of writing your own, and see how it's received? I agree with Matt, if they go off the rails, talk without listening, make bad analogies and false conclusions... then it is not only fair to disrupt them, ask for clarification, their definitions for things, and to straighten them out, but kind of the whole reason for the show! To point out irrational beliefs and behaviors associated with them, as well as explain how and why they are bad, incorrect, based on untruths, or downright wrong.
Way too much time is wasted letting people just blabber on spewing garbage unchallenged, and so much of it, it cannot all be addressed, let alone retained until after a 10 minute absurd dissertation. as if being open minded means blindly believing absurdities and dismissing every illogic in their spiel, and your own knowledge and understanding!
@@apc5213 not necessarily. Matt is the AXP.
@@apc5213 Wow, you think he is making fake accounts and dishonesty responding? Got any evidence of this or just blind assertions?
@@Bob-of-Zoid Great response!
I love the Everyday Atheist, please allow him to be on the Show more!
And, maybe allow them to speak.
And maybe let him fucking talk.
Why? No one speaks but Matt
@@phillipstroll7385 he lets Shannon talk. Sometimes. I do like Matt, and he’s a skilled debater, but he definitely takes over any show he’s on.
@@crispyblack8779 this isn't a debate platform. It's a call in talk show. I don't like Shannon either. It's the fake social justice warrior which makes her unwatchable for me. I am glad you like them though. Means you get to watch and donate to more shows than I.
Dane!--
It was an amulet, not a bracelet.
It has been preliminarily dated by pottery found in the area to be in the 1220-1000 BCE range. At this time, there has been no official dating, and no published results, just an announcement. It is lead, not pottery, and wouldn't use the same dating techniques. Voltammetry is a complicated process to date lead, and is only accurate to within about 150 years. The pottery is centuries later than Joshua, who was set in 1406 BCE to about 25 years later, 1380-ish BCE. Even though it was found by a biblical archaeology group, the group has made no claim to tie it to this curse in Deuteronomy. They are professionals who have real training and real jobs at secular institutions.
The site has been claimed to be a temple by its original discoverers back in the 1980s, but that's widely disputed. It could very easily be a farmhouse. It's on the wrong side of the mountain to have been from the passage Deuteronomy. It aligns with the Septuagint for which mountain it's on, but disagrees with the Samaritan Pentateuch and the dead sea scrolls. (There are a lot of known errors in the Septuagint.) It's certainly too new for Joshua's temple.
This is a super interesting find, but it's probably going to work against the bible. The writings we have that were set in the Joshua and earlier time periods were actually written centuries later. Joshua and Deuteronomy would've been written about 640 BCE at the earliest. This amulet contains not only a much earlier written proto-Canaanite language, but it's an early reference to YHWH:
“Cursed, cursed, cursed - cursed by the God YHW.
You will die cursed.
Cursed you will surely die.
Cursed by YHW - cursed, cursed, cursed.”
Note the YHW, not YHWH. This is important. The Canaanites had the god El, the plural Elohim, and at some point YHWH Elohim. The origin of YHWH has been postulated as not being native to the Canaanites, and instead having been imported in from southern lands. There is an Eqyptian inscription "𓇌𓉔𓍯𓅱 yhwꜣw" "Shasu of Yhw" from the time of Amenhotep III (1402-1363 BCE) where the Shasu were people in the southern lands, and YHW was a place.
If this amulet means anything, it could be a confirmation that the entire idea of YHWH was imported into the land of the Canaanites from the south. (And the Hebrews are Canaanites.) It's at the very minimum a fascinating piece for both anthropology and linguistics.
Impressive intellectual mic drop.
Diggin Everyday Atheist. Hope he's back on soon.
Great work guys! Really wish Justin (Everyday Atheist) had been given more time to speak/wasn't spoken over though; he's fantastic.
Normally I prefer to hear Matt, but I must agree in this case. It was 27 mins in that Justin got his first opportunity to speak to a caller.
23:22 Matt says, “ Go ahead Justin” to seemingly allow him to also participate with the caller he’s monopolized. Justin gets 2 words in and Matt just plows over top of him with no apology and never looks back??
Matt IS this show, hands down! He is the best of the best!
Jamaal: "There's no evidence that consciousness arrives from the brain."
Well clearly we're dealing with someone who's never been knocked out by a blow to the head.
00:00 Intro
02:54 Dane-KS | Dane-KS | 14 BCE Bracelet Proves The Bible
18:10 Jamaal-CA | Consciousness Is The Soul
42:16 Messages and the wonderful crew
43:53 ACA Recently on the Shows
46:10 James-SC | Animals Living In Original Sin
55:13 Jelmer-(NL) | Remove The Word Existence
1:05:48 Jack-FL | Transcendental Argument For God
1:20:07 Jon-(CA) | BLM Is Harming Black People
1:25:22 Vanamali-IL | Difference Between Religion And Death Cults
The first caller. This is what happens when laymen try to interpret archaelogy. For starters, the Pentateuch is written in iron age Hebrew, the monarchic period, well into the 1st millenium BCE. This weird view that it was written in some archaic Hebrew is wishful conjecture that presupposes that Moses or Joshua or the like had anything to do with writing the Bible. The text doesn't actually identify the author or even hint at it. On the contrary, the author never states to be an eyewitness, but is clearly writing much later. See for example Gen. 12:6, 13:7, 36:31, Deut. 1:1, 34:5.
Secondly, finding an artifact that would bring some credence to one story of the Bible, brings credence to only that particular story. That doesn't bleed into other stories and definitely not other books. All archaelogist agree that the accuracy of the Bible is not 100%, nor is it 0%. It's something in between. The further the story is from the writing, the less accurate it seems to get. If you find a piece of jewellery that bumps Joshua's account from like 20% to 25%, congratulations. Now you need to work on the other 75%. And much of it is totally wrong, like Jericho having walls in that time period or many of the cities being conquered etc. It's highly coloured and distorted memories of probably partly historical events.
I have to say, the AXP has a rockstar cast right now. Adding Everyday Atheist to the regular lineup would be awesome.
so you are a 14-year old girl?
@@goldenterrorfan
I’m not getting the connection here. Besides, anyone named Carmine shouldn’t be calling anyone a little girl.
@@WilliamMorfin the connection is obvious and you are not a "little" girl, you are 14
@@goldenterrorfan You are a hideous troll from under a bridge. Stop.
@@goldenterrorfan
Still not getting it. I must be too young. Good luck on your search for 14 yr old girls. 👍🏼
Jon clearly was reading something he'd taken the time to organize and write down prior to the call and still managed to completely bungle his argument. Impressive.
Straight from the Darth Dawkins manual
happens every time calls.
@@ookeekthelibrarian - Hey, he could've changed his position since his last call, and he called TAE to criticize BLM and claim that black people need some god, despite the likelihood that a theist becoming an agnostic would find it more important to discuss their loss of belief in the existence of deities with TAE, and despite the apparent contradiction in an agnostic claiming that black people need a god... 😂
All scripts are great in one's head, till they interact with an out side mind that can ask "WTF is that supposed to mean!"
@@MrOttopants - He's often angry, too. So, it's not like people who say (reluctantly or almost reluctantly) that they "believe homosexuality is a sin because the Bible says so." He often has anger and conviction, when he says something bigoted.
Haven’t watched in a while but really liking the new format with the minute time frame. It’s fair (not that it wasn’t before) and prevents them from using the excuse that they were cutoff or weren’t given time etc.
Jelmer - "You and I agree that if something is true, it's true and if something is not true, it's not true....therefore you're wrong and I'm right."
The whole world just got dumber.
(completely Tongue in cheek)
Growing up, I learned this definition:
If you believe something outrageous, you are eccentric.
If you connvince 10 people, you are a group of weirdos.
if you convince 100 people you are a cult.
If you convince 100,000, you are a religion.
If you split some off that 100,000 with a slightly different outrageous belief, you are a sect
@Bob Bob
Gender isn't sex. It's a constructed spectrum.
@Bob Bob what part of "tongue in cheek" led you to believe I was wanting non-sequitors from a troll?
@Bob Bob
1. Is an fallacy of etymology. Christians and flat earthers pull this stunt and gets their butts handed to them all their time. Did you really think it would magicaly go different for you.
2. *pronoun*
/ˈprəʊnaʊn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a word that can function as a noun phrase used by itself and that refers either to the participants in the discourse or to someone or something mentioned elsewhere in the discourse.
@Bob Bob
Then you're an idiot because your 1st point previously is a fallacious appeal regardless of number of genders and if you have something accurate to say, you shouldn't feel such desperation to use a 1800s definition of anything, to state that what is accurate in that case.
And you're still conflating terminology as what you're arguing for isn't even gender but if you were honest with that notion you'd lose your only talking point.
So no you don't have anything accurate to share with anyone because you won't start with an accurate starting point.
Once you've stopped mistaken the map for the place we can finally get somewhere.
Hey Matt, if you're reading this, it's great to see you so relaxed and more your old self. This is the Matt Dillahunty who won me over to the Atheist Experience many years ago.
The Everyday Atheist seems like a terrific guy, too and a welcome addition to the show.
For sure miss the old Matt. This new Matt is so crotchety and short. To the point where they had to come up with a timer to keep him from derailing conversations within 10 seconds. Hope you keep it up Matt because if not, AXP will lose a subscriber.
Relaxed? 😂
Matt gets worked up by getting cut off by a caller when he has a fucking mute button.
@@ratrod3313 and rightly so...
This is the best show I've seen in a long time. The theist arguments were more sophisticated (enough about slavery already!) and Justin is a wonderful co-host. We need to hear more from Justin, so I hope you'll have him on often. Matt was, as usual, incisive and crisp. Every week he saves us from people who would babble, proselytize and gish-gallop us into a near-suicidal state of mind.
I am in agreement!
If you, as do I btw, want Justin to get a few more words in, a different host would do the trick. 😉
That’s exactly why I love watching Matt. He saves us from 30 minutes long dishonest callers who does nothing but want to preach and lie.
''more sophisticated'' nah, Jamaal, critical thinking? Zero
@@soulcrewblue5608 Arguably critical thinking and belief in the supernatural don't go well together. 😉
A priest (Juan) found out about an island where its people never, never heard of God, Alah, or any other deity. Let alone of any religion. And there was no crime, no killings, nobody lied. It was a very peace loving community.
So Juan rented a boat and went to this island with a bunch of bibles. He was welcomed as the first foreigner to ever visit them; they set up a big lunch table with plenty of fine food under a beautiful blue sky. Then Juan began to preach; to make it short, he talked about a couple that were not supposed to eat certain apple, and because they dissobeyed, all people are born sinful and all the calamities happen because that sin. And he aded that, if you don't believe in this, at their death they would be thrown into a lake of eternal flames to suffer for eternity. That's when the party ended; he was put back on the boat and got the title of persona non gratta.
He was the lucky one. Other tribes that do have spirits of some sort would stick his innards up a tree like a demented Christmas tree and sacrifice the rest of him in a fire 🔥 🤷♂️
@@guytheincognito4186 I thought about that ending, but the people in the island were pacific.
@@Elaphe472
Yeah they are, I However were referring to other tribes in other places of the world in other times. Infact the example I gave while it's not far from what could happen to people in some places of the world has happened, is based on what the aincent Scandinavian people did with the very first Monks and people to preach the word of their god, when they first arrived in the country, were offered to Wodan(ahead of the classic era vikings obviously).
While the ceremony still exists people aren't strung up anymore and even during the classic Viking Era stringing up someone as such happened only rarely out in the boonies.
Christianity poisoned the world. Take Hawaii for example. They played naked but Christians said it was evil. Now they wear clothes. There was no word in the Hawaiian language for ‘steal’ but Christians destroyed that too. Christianity destroyed countless cultures for power and greed. Imagine the world if Christianity never existed.
Reminds me of that missionary that disobeyed the law and tried to preach to a quarantined people in the Pacific, it didn’t end well for that guy.
Wow, we found a bracelet from a believer that has a "curse" written in it. Showing that at one point in time it shows people believed in god at one point. No way shows one actually existing.
Yeah, it proves ignorant, backward people live in every generation. It’s sad how today’s people reject all the knowledge and science in the past 2000 years and willfully decide to believe ancient, backward, primitive and anonymous men.
Plot twist: it was not a curse but a shop list.
No, it does not show that _people believed in god._
It shows that at least ONE person had the concept of a curse (a curse does not require any god, just magick/karma/…).
It does not even show they *believed* in any curses, only that they had the concept and found it interesting/funny/a nice prank to create/modify that bracelet.
Pranksters have been around for a long time. See all the trickster gods/totems/spirits/beings/… as evidence …
I found an image of Jesus on a freshly deposited cow pattie. Should I contact the Vatican to report the miracle? Theists will say it’s a sign from their god. But why would their god appear in fecal material?
Oh never mind, one of my other cows stepped in it and now there’s an image of a devil in the smashed cow poop. This religious stuff is so confusing.
I like the Spiderman comeback: A thousand years from now, they discover a Spiderman item. It shows Spiderman swinging thru NY. Sure NY existed, but that does not mean Spiderman did. But, Spiderman isn't worshipped. Rev. Jim Jones was. Look where it got those people. God's done a lot worse according to the Bible.
Well done Jelmar...not only did you waste their time and your time...but my time too.
I bet he's on of those presubs
@@gornser ..on Prescription ?...just like Jordon Peterson ?..😂
Props to you James for researching your indoctrinated faith and after 50 years! Glad you had the free time to do that, and epistemic know-how to change your worldview. You're a smart man.
Jelmer always does this. The hosts could be in mid-sentence and he'll start talking as if they aren't.
Not that he has anything profound to say, it's usually bs like: "Mathematics breaks down inside of a black hole, therefor logic is wrong."
Jelmer seems to think a very, VERY specific circumstance should be applied to everything everywhere. That way he can say that since “logic breaks down” anything he can come up with is true.
It’s the same way the people who know for a fact they have nothing supporting the thing they attach their lives to will say “well people can be wrong” as a way to get around basic evidence. For some reason very dumb seemingly narcissistic people seem to think that if they just claim “well what about…” then that’s their invitation to just make up whatever.
It’s always the same ‘burden of proof problem’: he suggests the possibility of a “paradoxical logic/state” and demands that others either accept it or prove it wrong. Yet he never bothers to demonstrate that this logic could exist or does exist. As with the mentioned black hole example. ‘You can’t prove that logic doesn’t break down in there’, so “gotcha!”.
Jelmer, yes, I accept that when I cross the road there is either a car coming or there is not a car coming. Don’t waste our time with a supposed third option unless you have some demonstration for it.
Wouldnt a fun answer be 'well either logic would be wrong or not, there is still no third option.'?
They would be better off blocking him.
His major flaw is that he switches terms Everytime he calls but no one has ever called him out on it.
Actually Shannon did but got overtalked.
Helmer said it this way, " if we are discussing gods existence, then we are just speculating on the true nature of reality".
That is wrong. That's why he says to Matt, "so you are saying reality is not defined". And Matt says no.
He overtalks because if he isn't agreed with, he doesn't even register that they are talking. So his calls only focus on the concept of A or not A.
If he ever let hosts talk, they would end up arguing his real mistake in thinking saying god exists or not exists means that question has ANYTHING to do with how reality is defined. Neither topic has anything to do with the other. Yet he can't stop fighting about it.
I’ve experienced OBEs since I was a small child. They are quite an interesting brain state, where some of the higher cognitive functions of the brain are active during the brain’s sleep cycle, when normally they are not. However, no one has ever been able to accurately “leave their body” and investigate the world around them during this state. The brain seems to create a replica of the world we expect to see. Almost like a spontaneous generation of a virtual reality environment. There is absolutely zero evidence that our consciousness projects itself outside the brain into the actual physical world around us.
OBEs are indicative of nothing more than how awesome our brains can be. No need to apply magic. I really wish people would give credit where it’s due.
Jamaal: Science can't explain consciousness but Christianity has an explanation - the soul.
This argument is the same as "You can't explain those loud sounds coming from the sky but my tribe knows it's Thor. You guys got nothing, we have Thor, THEREFORE, THOR!" T-shirt!
With the slogan My God has a hammer and yours got nailed to a tree...on the back
@@jamierichardson7683 to be fair Odin was impaled with a spear, and hung from a tree.
But he did it to himself to gain knowledge of other worlds and understand runes.
@@JarlGrimmToys ...as one does.
You mistakenly fused two separate topics into one. That's like you saying a building and an automobile are the same because each has doors and windows. And then you would assume that anyone who disagreed with you is denying buildings and automobiles have doors and windows.
@@johnh7939 Analogy- a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect. (A is to B as C is to D)
Jamaal: "You don't have an explanation for consciousness. Therefore, souls." (A is to B)
Grady's comparison: "You don't have an explanation for thunder. Therefore, Thor." (C is to D)
Edit: Forgot to mention that the common aspect of the two is an argument from ignorance.
Jamal: can’t explain this, therefore a god.
I can explain reality; otherwise, I wouldn't be here. As for the religious cult of atheism, it has no factual basis. That’s’ why no atheist has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. Atheism makes no sense, because reality makes no sense without God. It's time to dump your atheist cult. It's ideas are not only WRONG, but proven to be IMPOSSIBLE. Atheism is the very definition of being lost & clueless
So Im confused, because it seems to me that adults with imaginary friends is the actual definition of mental illness.
Yes but if they share that delusion among all 100 000s of them it's an protected free speech thing. But it only works if the belief itself is Unfalsifiable. So with a belief that incorporate falsification credentials, you're a loonie like anyone else.
Imaginary friends differ from delusions or hallucinations (symptoms of psychosis) in that the child knows they are not real and is in control of them.
Christians on the other hand believe their imaginary friend is real and actually gives a damn about them and where they stick their genitals.
Much like men who call themselves women.
Utter delusion.
I think bobbob👆 doesn't want to defend his/her transdimensional tulpa 😋 but will happily diminish him/herself in everyone's midst by displaying his/her fundievangelicon christian hatriotism .👌
@@cartesiancircle
Exactly 💯
He's been told repeatedly why starting with an inaccurate understanding of gender won't get him anywhere. He can use the word as often as he like but he's never going to be arguing the concept as defined by the term because he refuses to correct his categorical error.
It would be identical to me wanting to argue comics by using the word "comics" but refusing then to budge from applying the meaning of the word "video games".
It's incredibly childish.
Jamaal gave a classic "God of the Gaps" argument
Please have Justin “Everyday Atheist” on next week!!!! Love him!!!!
I love when callers announce they think Matt should remember them from a previous encounter because they are SO IMPORTANT, like Jack🤣🤣🤣
It’s a sad state of affairs that guys like Jamaal dismiss what we know about the brain, yet cling to “near death experiences” which can only ever be personal because he thinks it validates his concept of some supernatural “soul”. Which he can’t really define or demonstrate other than that it’s the thing that’s responsible for your personality.
What does this “soul” look like and how does it interact physically which it would need to do constantly? How can we remove a soul? Why do people with severe brain damage, wind up comatose, in a vegetative state, or severe personality shifts if that stuff is controlled by “soul”?
I’ll never understand why people who think like him never ask these questions.
😂😂😂
I am not sure whether call-in shows simply attract a lot of people who seem to operate under a delusion that leads them to believe they are intelligent people , or if callers are simply a representative slice of humanity in general. This particular show -- with Dane, Jamaal, Jelmer, Jack and Jon in particular -- should have listened to Abe Lincoln's famous quote, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." Because, they ALL successfully removed any and all doubt....
I hope Forrest is invited back. With Matt, preferably. That would be the ultimate good cop/grumpy cop combo.
Forrest is the best.
Forrest is indeed the best and Need to appear with Matt.))
@@unclecarmine6239
Sorry to burst your bubble but that is a sentence Bub. Learn to read then come back.))
@@unclecarmine6239 1. English is not everyone's first language.
2. Rich coming from a dude that doesn't capitalize or end his own sentence correctly. 😚
@@unclecarmine6239
No you're the old timer for both not recognizing a sentence and for not recognizing bub was said in humor.
Get your glasses gramps both your assertions are empty.
“There’s no explanation for consciousness, so let me give you my explanation.” 🧐
Blasphemy lol 😂
I know..... amazing
@Dewyu Nohmi - A dead person's soul attempted to post a comment, but TH-cam won't show it because dead people don't buy things from TH-cam's advertisers... 😜
My favorite bit from that call was "There's no evidence that consciousness arrives from the brain."
Clearly the dude has never been knocked unconscious, you know... because he hit his head... where the brain is stored. 🤦♂️
"There's no scientific explanation for consciousness..."
Quote accurately.
Dane, a bracelet therefore god - seriously?!
Also “People worshipped it, therefor it’s true”. 😂
So I guess in a thousand years Star Wars will be proven true when archaeologists dig up census data where people put down “Jedi” under religion.
Along with toy light sabers, Star Wars costumes and movie props.
@@kaiza6467 They've found multiple silver hammers in the Nordics, therefore Thor is real. Oh, and wasn't there a red cape found in NYC? Superman must be real, too. What is wrong with religious people?
Theists are dumber every day.
Argument from Look at the Jewelries?
...Shinies?
That ‘altar’ is an iron age watchtower. The altar claim has been debunked. The original archeologist who made the claim, Adam Zertal, wouldn’t submit artifacts to scientific testing to date the pottery shards.
What a suprise .
Oh my god. It's Jelmer again. I thought the dude was already banned. Whenever he calls in the dutch have an entire week of mourning and shame. Oke it's good that he keeps trying over and over again. Had a lengthy discussion with him. He is too stuck in his mumbo jumbo and he is completely disconnected from reality.
The guy has solid points though.
@@mrfarts5176 I wonder. Can you give me one of his solid points?
@@Carlos-fl6ch The first one is pretty solid.
@@mrfarts5176 really. So there are two possibilities here either you wrote this response or you didn't. Con you come up with any possible proposition in which that ain't true.
I spoke with this dude. He never talks to understand. He only talks to unleash jibberish
Wow Everyday Atheist is a GREAT co host. Sharp like a GINSU!
And the 1st caller was a walking non sequitur
I googled it as he was talking about it. It was an amulet. Discovered in a dirt waste pile, so no dating strata . Not being claimed as proving the bible, but proving that isreal was there first before the pallastinians. Apparently the 2cm square object was found after sifting tech had been developed 😂. Not a single part of the story proves anything.
@Dewyu Nohmi yes I always wondered if that was a glitch when the # of comments is off
@Dewyu Nohmi ok in my notifications I found the reply. A comment anout the amulet and how the caller got the whole story wrong. It was informative.
Yeah didn't get too many words in (not a dig haha) but they were all super effective
@@RonnieD1970 This seems to be happening across the platform. Has anyone figured out what's happening?
Great show as usual guys 👍 , I would like Matt to allow the various co hosts to continue the chat when hes had enough though instead of dropping the call
I think Matt can judge when the caller is being overly repetitive and thus boring to the audience.
you both did a great job on this one
"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them."
Dope to see Everyday_Atheist on this platform
I feel like as soon as Jamaal conceded that hunger requires a brain, game over. We know about physiological causes and effects; we know about the nervous system.
jamaal was on to a losing argument right out the gate
The theme of these callers is to be offended when its pointed out that you have no evidence
This weekend I parked to talk to a group of street preachers on their video because they invited me to talk to them on camera. I agreed and amicably explained that the Bible endorses slavery and quoted verses.
They turned the cameras off and threatened to beat the shit out of me off camera.
Christian "love" at it's finest.
@Bob Bob _I clapped because I know what that is!_
@Benji If there is a Devil (there's not) it would have been nice to have his back.
Note to self, don't tell an angry group of black people that their Gospels are wrong.
@@ookeekthelibrarian I've been looking for the video based on the location, but I haven't found anything yet.
I a was admittedly too afraid to to ask for their TH-cam link at the time because they were threatening to assault me with violence. Even thought it's not very flattering to me, if I find it I'll post it.
I admittedly made many biblical mistakes about specific quotes. I'm fair, but doubt they are.
If you see this, _please upload the video!_
@@ookeekthelibrarian We spoke last week on my work route. If they're still there and I have the courage to talk with them again without threats of violence, I'll converse again and ask for their TH-cam channel.
Gotta love love that I, as atheist, am afraid to be honest with with a so-called, _"Christian."_ Violently assault anyone amicably disagrees with you. Kill them if necessary.
In accordance to God!
Well, I'm sorry for your experience, as I am a Christian myself. I've never threatened to beat anybody up for disagreeing with my religious views. That thought has never occurred to me.
"Your mistake was thinking I had a point!"
I think that's the hardest I've ever laughed watching this show.
Matt missed his opportunity with Dane to say "Oh my! They found a bracelet that dates to Joshua's time. The Bible MUST be True! I am now a believer! Thank you, Dane, for opening my eyes to the ultimate Truth!" ... "Not."
A bracelet? Naw. Not convincing. Maybe a necklace. Much more convincing.
@@greyeyed123 - It would take a Rolex to begin to pique my interest.
Or, Ohh they found a bracelet from the ancient Greece,or the Mayas,or ancient Egipt,or the vikings era...so their gods must be real..
Their super hero works in very lame ways. It’s funny that they think that their supposed god was thinking: “ I will leave this amulet here and in a few thousand years, they will find it and ALL will be revealed. Finally they will believe in me and worship me, Mwahahaha! I am so great and all knowing!”
Good grief! I’d be so embarrassed and very puzzled, to have such an incompetent and stupid god like that.
Matt you were on fire! Excellent!
I've been listening to Atheist Exp since 2007, and you know, watching Matt now versus back in the day - he's definitely more patient with people more so than back in the day. What I'm saying is - he's strict as shit, of course....but he HAS to be. After seeing how many time-wasters there are, or people who interrupt etc, with a limited time per caller on the show, he has to be direct.
So back in the day - he never had a time count (which he now has). Back then, he'd just rip into the callers.
Now, he tries his best to engage, and the experience and knowledge he now has allows the guy to cut to the chase, and hopefully get to the meat of the caller's talking points.
Anyway,
as always, I'm a massive fan of the show. Something I look forward to hearing every single Monday since 2007.
Stay safe Matt (and Justin his co-host).
I do not agree with the time wasters comment you made. Maybe I misunderstood.
I would not say he is more patient now. In some of the old episodes he would let people ramble on and on at times.
@@LPCLASSICAL I suppose that is why he cuts people off now as soon as they start rambling. In his mind (thankfully), he spots the error where they go wrong, and stops their talking point because, as he once said, it's pointless for the caller to carry on if it is incorrect and it is pointless to waste precious time.
Out of curiosity - do you miss the old Matt? Or do you much prefer the Matt from about the 2015 onwards?
@@colaboytje Nah, it's all good. We all have different opinions. It's all good.
Hey, have a good day.
@@Domzdream I think in all stages of his development into what is today I like him. He was as sharp 10 years ago as he is today - but he is less tolerant. I'm glad the online atheist community has him on our side.
The best You Tube Videos, the best Talks, the best Dialogs at Atheists Experience!!!
Every time I hear someone use God as an explanation for anything, what I hear is, _"A Bigger Mystery"._
When science gives us an explanation it increases our knowledge, and since no one knows _"how God does anything"_ it can never
be more than *just a claim".*
Theist wakes up. Theist decides to create crazy proposition. Theist waits for atheist to disprove absurd theory. Theist goes back to sleep.
Keep Forrest!!!!! ACA shows need a better "science guy"
ShannanQ is AWESOME on brain stuff....
I've read the article on the Bronze Bracelet and it says nothing as described by Dane.
It's only 3,500 years old & found in the southeast Tzfat, Galilee.
Then they speculate its "roughly about the time of Joseph." ........ that would like finding the jawbone of an ass and claiming Samson used it to slay the philistines.
The cheese has slid off of Jamaal's logical cracker.
10:10 Holy shit... And then goes on to just ignore the questions, it blows my mind.
Jack-FL: His logic is why so many theists remain cult-like.
As someone who deconstructed because of channels like this, Emma Thorne, Atheist Jr. and The Line approaching christianity in a polite and respectful way calling out the crazy religious videos online I'd say it's better to address them. For me at least, because I won't speak for anyone else, it helped me see the lies I've been living with for 35+ years and I've really worked through why I believed what I did for so long. So for me watching videos like this didn't strengthen my religion. It opened my mind to criticizing it. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for what you do. It's helped me more than words could ever express.
Jelmer-(NL): One of the few times where the language barrier wasn't the problem.
Me watching the stream the next day and not skipping the intro song because it kicks ass
If they found a bracelet somewhere that the Quran said an event happened, will he agree that the Quran is true?
I'm Dutch. And on behalf of all of the Netherlands I'd like to apologize for Jelmer's dishonesty.
Give us some free tulips and we'll call it even
You had back-to-back callers (Jelmer and Jack) who were determined to make everyone's ears bleed. What's your poison? Jelmer and Jack!
@Jack - here's a hint. When you call into this show, have a conversation, get off your script because your script is flawed.
Oh great, one of those TAG presups called in. A barrel of laughs, I am sure.
What is TAG?
@@friendo6257 TAG stands for the Transcendental Argument for God. Very popular with the likes of Matt Slick. The 'argument' is that a specific God idea is one of those things that need to be presupposed to be true (believed without any evidence) in order for anything to make any sense.
@@unclecarmine6239 perindacylyte in sperigngegat sauce
1:09:53 Jack - FL: Either there is an extra reality, or we are tricked (unconsciously, or consciously by something) into believing that there is an external reality. That is, the hypothesis that there is an external reality is both the simplest explanation, and it explains our entire experience. The hypothesis that there is no external reality is completely unfounded, and comes in addition to the experience that there is an external reality. That is, we can cut the last one off with the occam's razor without losing explanatory power.
i would love to be as well-informed as Everyday_Atheist. Great show! Great addition.
I’m on 27 minutes and he’s said about ten words thus far.
@@adamgodfrey6591 lol, ikr! that's the usual for Matt's co-hosts, but he does chime in.
@@wizardoffrobozz good to know. I’ll listen to the rest after work
@@adamgodfrey6591 let me know what you think afterwards?
@@wizardoffrobozz will do
Sound fixed right when Matt mentioned it. Great timing.
Matt’s BS-free approach is a work of art.
I'm a Dutch guy and I am ashamed of this Dutch guy...really. And I apologise for him. Also in the name of most Dutch people.
Great show, love you all. The time stamps are way off BTW. Have a good day.
"I Know Because the Bible Tells Me So". So if the bibble scribble says the moon is made of cheese, you would believe it? The bibble was written by men not "god, and "god" was created in Man's own Image, not the other way around. Believe That!
Are you telling me the moon ISN’T made of cheese?
46:50
I read this story of original sin in a different way, and I don't quite understand why I'm alone in this, so perhaps I'm wrong in my reasoning:
They ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, right? Meaning at that point they knew right from wrong, so to speak. This doesn't mean they didn't do good and bad things before that, it just means they had no idea if the things they did were good or bad. And I don't see how this act itself would *cause* them to do bad things, simply because they now knew what things were bad and what things were good.
Sin already existed. The fact that they were able to choose to eat the fruit, and that the snake was able to fool them into this, both mean sin existed before they actually took a bite of the fruit. Likewise, death already existed, which is why there was the fruit of everlasting life, which they didn't eat, and which God made sure they wouldn't also eat, so that they wouldn't *become* immortal, which they weren't already.
Theists never seem to realize that their philosophical arguments for the existence of God ultimately rest on making an unfounded assumption that the Bible's description of God is true. They'd be better off trying to come up with a philosophical proof that demonstrates how making an argument that's indistinguishable from trolling doesn't necessarily make you a troll. 'Cause it usually seems like trolls all the way down.
@im an illness No there aren't, stop lying
@cLIED is a Trans Fatty *FLACCID* - You assert that God is the default position. How many times do you
have to go through this? Your god delusion is not the default position, according to ontology, and
epistemology
@Bigoted Douche You're a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Even your username is trolling. Thanks for helping, jagoff. 😆
@Bigoted Douche And we're all VERY impressed with how skillful you are at proving nothing. If being pointless is ever an Olympic event, I'm sure you'll bring home the gold.
"n unfounded assumption that the Bible's description of God is true. "
Which Bible description of god? If you read all the passages in the Bible that describe god, god is like a Swiss army knife. Pick the passage you want and god can be whatever you want it to be at that moment.
Jamaal-CA: The perfect example of pretzel logic.
Yep, 2000 y ago, man walking with the Zippo lighter as Master of fire. 🤣
@Bob Bob 2 lol
he was very confused
@Bob Bob Genders, you say? Huh.
If we don't have our shirt tucked in our pants do we have our pants tucked in our shirts?
I loved Everyday Atheist's face when Jon said BLM was harming black people. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Jamaal was right, you can see Justin's soul leave his body at 38:30 as he dies inside. hahahaha It took 18 minutes to get to faith.
You got to love the delusional fools that still live in the stone age and refuse to let go
I actually hate them, because they are the ones that f*ck up our nation and our world. Imagine how much better our nation would be , let alone the world if there was no religion, especially organized religion which controls our politicians to a huge extent. It sucks.
The time stamps are off. For instance the call that's listed as starting at 58:01 actually begins at about 55:16. The ones before that one are also off, but I didn't note the actual start times.
Great job from Matt but hopefully Justin will be back for more air time.
Jelmer appears stuck in a particularly stubborn little groove.
And so does Jack. This TAG nonsense is such a damp squib and popularisers like Matt Slick have much to answer for.
Jelmer's argument was idiotic. On what basis did you decide that a clearly binary question would, if definitively answerable with reference to evidence (which it isn't, due to it being unfalsifiable), would require classical binary logic?
Well, let's look at either end, and then at that middle that we are excluding (if there can be such a thing). At one end, there is gods don't exist, at the other there is n gods do exist, where Jelmer has limited n = 1. Are we really saying that there is a middle state in which either half a god exists (and half a god doesn't) or a god half exists? And, in the event that we are, are we really going to take that middle position seriously?
@jamaal - the only reason we don't have a materialist explanation for consciousness is because getting one would require some seriously unethical experiments.
So basically all science that disagrees with Jamaal is fake because he’d prefer if that were the case. 😂
according to him the buybull and science it's all perfectly on his side apparently
@Bob Bob 1 month old account spamming AxP with nothing but dumbfuck comments, oh yeah totally not a troll. 😂
@Bob Bob why does there have to be a specific number? do you know how many colours there are??
I love Matt but this was my first time hearing about Everyday Atheist and I would have liked if he was given more of a chance to talk, I was interested in hearing what he had to say
Putting a number on top of a cabinet to test the soul hypothesis is science. The science supports that this does not happen.
Sounds to me like jamaal is confusing a scientist for the science.
One or more scientists might believe a thing, but if they cannot demonstrate a scientific foundation for the belief, then the belief is unfounded.
Some neurologists believing that there is a soul, but being unable to produce anything scientifically to support it would be like me saying "i believe in rainbow unicorns and i am sure they exist! But i have no way of proving it to you.", it's a case of cool story bro.
Hey @AXP tech team, just heads up the timestamp for where Jamaal ends and James starts is off by 3 minutes or more, might be worth an revisit/edit. You guys are the best, keep up the good work!
1456 BCE (Before Eating Cereal) They discovered Apple Jacks there for that proves General Mills invented cereal
BCE or BEC ?
Sometimes when callers don’t answer a question it’s because they’re trying to avoid an unfavorable conclusion or to impede their interlocutor’s line of thought. I think more common than that, people don’t answer questions because they don’t understand it. And rather than ask for clarification, they think it preferable to say… something.
I find it so rude when callers come on and just acknowledge Matt, or whoever the main host is, they totally ignore the co-host although they can clearly see two hosts with their names on the screen., Bad Manners👎
34:55 - IMO, a better response to this is, the fact that there isn't a robust, comprehensive explanation doesn't mean that there isn't one at all. _"Consciousness is a first-person experience arising from certain brain activity"_ is an explanation. That we don't know everything about the mechanics or the origin of consciousness does nothing to diminish that the evidence overwhelmingly points in that direction. Notably, theists have no problem with this in their own arguments. They will often say that not knowing the precise mechanics of how god created the universe doesn't mean that we can't conclude that he did it. Other than self-interest, what treat this issue any differently?
As a fellow Dutchman I feel compelled to apologise for Jelmer.
I am Dutch and I do not apologise. He is digging deeper in shit arguments. I am aware there are devout Christians in the Netherlands and love to hear more non American Christians profess their beliefs
@@unclecarmine6239 sociopath
“I know because the Bible says so and I believe by faith.” Omfg!
I used to get the magazine Biblical Archeology, which I don't even know is still being printed, the scientists used the reference CE and BCE
The concept of biblical archaeology just seems wrong. Sounds like the “archaeologists” are looking for artifacts which affirm the Bible. Doesn’t sound like real science
Woah!
The sound wasn't up to par until it was and almost blew my not so expensive speakers.
The laws of logic are presuppositional. We accept them because they lead to correct results.
Yeah it’s kind of like science. If it has predictive power we assume it’s true. You have to presuppose it to use it, but once you use it you can prove it works.
Wrong. All I have to assume for that is my ability to utter an intelligible sentence.
@Dewyu Nohmi Check the usename - I don't there's a meaningful conversation be had with that one...
@madbigotry Your excuse is David Hume?
Yeah, they are what we've got. Take 'em or leave 'em. Why they are what they are does not even strike me as being a sensible question, beyond noting that this is how the reality we know works.
Everyday Atheist is so chill. I love his style. Glad to see more people from TikTok.
"I've brought down bigger men than you, Picard!!"