Eric Owen it's okay man, I'm learning JC tech right now, learning even the basics and trying to combo consistently, it's difficult, especially since I'm bad at sticking to one character consistently.
mr.szechuan I've heard of it, but I've not really seriously listened and learned, I should watch and find a true main. I remember that he names attributes of a person that might like playing a certain character ("you might be an X player if..."), the problem is I am the self-acclaimed most bipolar, most unpredictable player ever, my playstyle widely varies from day to day and honestly from game to game and sometimes even from stock to stock. For personal reasons, I don't want to/can't adequately play Fox, who is the most capable of variety in playstyle other than Fox? Would that be Falco? I know I want a Falcon secondary (Falcon comes SO naturally to me idk why), but as Armada explained, it's not good to work on more than one character at a time, and I don't want to work exclusively on Falcon right now. Does that also make Falco the ticket for me? I feel like it does but I'm not exactly sure.
Samuel vi Britannia if your issue is characters not fitting and you literally said falcon fits you great I don't really see why you don't just play falcon
I've always respected Armada but he was never one of my favorite players. With him uploading stream highlights and small tips he's quickly becoming one of my favorite players.
Charles W I used to be the same, but as of late I think it's due to him being consistently the best and because I'm not a huge Peach fan, and I'm changing to a small extent as far as appreciation goes on both of those.
You can't drop through right away because you're in 4 frames of empty land lag, but you can buffer a shield drop (fastest option) or buffer a walk to Isai drop (slower, but easier).
Damn... That helps so much considering the opponent d.i. away from your shine onto that platform. It's much faster and allows many more options to continue the punish. Thank you Armada!
This is called mechanic is aerial interrupting. You can do a similar thing with fox on battlefield. If you stand underneath top platform shorthop>at the apex of your jump, do a doublejump>apex of your second jump do a dair and you will aerial interrupt and stand instantly on the plaform. This particular mechanic with falco has a 5 frame window to perform the dair the moment after the latest possible jump off of the platform. Im pretty sure the "lag" you experience after you land is because the condition you are in is still dair and you need to wait until the moment the move autocancels in order to move out of an AI. Samus is famous for abusing her fantastic AI.
bill Yeuh It's easy to understand : 1) auto cancel is when you wait after a hit, so the landing lag of the hit is "automatically cancelled" 2) when you do a hit in the air, there will be landing lag between frame X to frame Y, if you touch the ground before frame X, your hit has NO landing lag, so there is no point calling this an auto cancel since it cancelled no lag. 3) aerial interrupts are for different purposes, it's not used to cancel the landing lag of a hit, it's used to be faster than not hitting, faster than waveland, etc... again, there is no point to call it auto cancel
Just tested this out and there are ways to quickly drop through the platform. When landing on top plat you can keep holding the control stick forward so you start a walk animation, then quickly fall through by pressing down. (Iasi drop) An even quicker way to drop through is to buffer shield drop as you are landing with the dair. This will cause falco to immediately drop through the platform after getting through his landing animation.
The animation you talk about where you can't fall through platform can be canceled so you can fall through. What you need to do is either walk forward a little bit or you can cancel it with shielding itself which you can then fall through with. As long as u walk forward for 1 frame or shield drop you can fall through.
thank you armada i am currently trying this and when i can get this down pat i can star working on the followups i appreciate this as it may just give me an edge when i go to canada cup this year
i do this but its a little hard to do the timing consistently. And if you want to drop through after landing, either shield drop or Isai drop (walk forward a little and then hit down.) Also this dair AI also works when he jumps from ledge but you did it a little late and you never actually made it above the platform. It works on every stage for that one. (but the only one i could find use for is dreamland because landing on side platform is like literally frame perfect otherwise.)
oh my god this is genius, using the morphing of the hurtbox to make use out of the first set of AC frames and since you AC out of the landing, you can isai drop to plat drop quickly after and youre in standing animation so all of your options are available to you
I've been doing this a while and have also been so confused as to why no one else does it - even if I do it in-game, my opponent has no reaction, which makes me think they don't even realize that I'm not wavelanding
Hey armada u can also do this with fox's up air by jumping from edge onto the side platform. It's quicker than doing a laser land like Leffen does. I've never seen anyone do it though.
Well, one is done by performing an action while holding down, and the other by using dair to briefly put your character model above the platform. Also, I think you could act even faster out of it in Brawl, actually.
Not inconsistent at all whatsoever, he literally told you every step to be consistent with it as well. All the learning is done already my man, just do it and you'll be better instantaneously. I'm not even joking either, this one thing will make you like 2 or 3x better on this stage, and if you learn to implement it in other ways on other stages then you'll be godlike man. I would try to fuck around with it myself a lot, but I don't have a lot of time to myself nowadays. Seriously, this is the real shit guys. We have shield drops that make dropping from a platform instant; now we have aerial interrupts which make snapping onto a platform ALSO instant. For fucks sake, people should get on this shit.
Because I d-air, I press L to auto-cancel it but because it's so fast I don't have the time to remove my finger on L and the Control Stick so I Shield Drop without even doing it intentionally. lmao
Crumbling it auto cancels so you don't have to press l. Also to shield drop you have to input the angle after your shield comes out. So that wouldn't happen
"When you waveland, you waste exactly 10 frames" - Armada.
Stephen Strawbridge Isn't it 11?
Tis 10 frames of lag on a waveland with no excess airdodge frames (perfect, in terms of frames, not necessarily the angle)
Stephen Strawbridge
"Don't quote me on that"
smh you had one job
armada recently like: C'mon guys get gud, the top is getting boring!
Damn didn't know. Thanks Armada!!!
bring pm back ;-; (nah who cares anyway XD)
Have you considered trying to go pro as a smasher? Or are you just going to stick to hosting and streaming tournaments?
he would be too strong if he tried
"Known this since 2010"
I just learned how to wave dash (2017)
Eric Owen jeez man, no time like the present to practice more.
Eric Owen it's okay man, I'm learning JC tech right now, learning even the basics and trying to combo consistently, it's difficult, especially since I'm bad at sticking to one character consistently.
Samuel vi Britannia Have you watched SSBM Tutorials' "Are you a ___ main?" series? It really helped me choose my main (Falco).
mr.szechuan I've heard of it, but I've not really seriously listened and learned, I should watch and find a true main. I remember that he names attributes of a person that might like playing a certain character ("you might be an X player if..."), the problem is I am the self-acclaimed most bipolar, most unpredictable player ever, my playstyle widely varies from day to day and honestly from game to game and sometimes even from stock to stock. For personal reasons, I don't want to/can't adequately play Fox, who is the most capable of variety in playstyle other than Fox? Would that be Falco? I know I want a Falcon secondary (Falcon comes SO naturally to me idk why), but as Armada explained, it's not good to work on more than one character at a time, and I don't want to work exclusively on Falcon right now. Does that also make Falco the ticket for me? I feel like it does but I'm not exactly sure.
Samuel vi Britannia if your issue is characters not fitting and you literally said falcon fits you great I don't really see why you don't just play falcon
tbh I'm super excited that Armada is maintaining a YT channel
I've always respected Armada but he was never one of my favorite players. With him uploading stream highlights and small tips he's quickly becoming one of my favorite players.
Charles W agreed. I'm hoping all of these videos'll help me improve
Charles W Armagod doing his part to keep the scene alive
Once Armada began showing more than just the competitive side of him, and his player-hood got more fleshed out, I really began to like him.
Happy to hear that
Charles W I used to be the same, but as of late I think it's due to him being consistently the best and because I'm not a huge Peach fan, and I'm changing to a small extent as far as appreciation goes on both of those.
yea duh that's the mango
Arman Choudrie uuuuhhhh
Arman Choudrie yeah cuz like yeah dude like cuz like
This was incredibly helpful Armada!! As an up and coming falco player, i love hearing tips. can't wait for more!
Put adds at the beginning of your videos. Thats some high qualitiy content you are providing and i would gladly watch a single add for that.
Inufan75 don't the vids have to be 10 mins?
no, that's to get midroll ads
Isn't there a weird situation with Nintendo games on TH-cam where you can put ads but the money goes to Nintendo?
You can't drop through right away because you're in 4 frames of empty land lag, but you can buffer a shield drop (fastest option) or buffer a walk to Isai drop (slower, but easier).
armada giving away your SECRET B)
how do you buffer a shield drop. I know how to buffer a shield but not the drop as well
SSG SAX GAMER hold right or left before shielding and then drop
LOOOOOL, first thing I thought of when I saw this was you telling Winston within minutes of asking you to keep it a secret. XD
If you perform the usual shield drop motion and keep the stick in the shield drop zone as your lag ends, it will drop through on the first frame.
Damn... That helps so much considering the opponent d.i. away from your shine onto that platform. It's much faster and allows many more options to continue the punish. Thank you Armada!
Hey Armada! I really really really appreciate all these tips youve been giving! Please keep them coming!!!
These tips will give rise to more better melee players. These tips are amazing.
Yeah, I remember this, his down air moves Falco's ECB detection
westballz said pewpewu showed him this and I've seen him do it in tournament
same thing works with Samus's short-hop up air on the lower battlefield platforms!
This is called mechanic is aerial interrupting. You can do a similar thing with fox on battlefield. If you stand underneath top platform shorthop>at the apex of your jump, do a doublejump>apex of your second jump do a dair and you will aerial interrupt and stand instantly on the plaform.
This particular mechanic with falco has a 5 frame window to perform the dair the moment after the latest possible jump off of the platform.
Im pretty sure the "lag" you experience after you land is because the condition you are in is still dair and you need to wait until the moment the move autocancels in order to move out of an AI.
Samus is famous for abusing her fantastic AI.
Mahir Ismail Do you even English?
Mahir Ismail why do some call them aerial interrupts if they are the same as auto cancels
Aaron Pacheco keyword 'similar'....
wavelanding causes more lag than an autocancelled aerial does.
bill Yeuh It's easy to understand :
1) auto cancel is when you wait after a hit, so the landing lag of the hit is "automatically cancelled"
2) when you do a hit in the air, there will be landing lag between frame X to frame Y, if you touch the ground before frame X, your hit has NO landing lag, so there is no point calling this an auto cancel since it cancelled no lag.
3) aerial interrupts are for different purposes, it's not used to cancel the landing lag of a hit, it's used to be faster than not hitting, faster than waveland, etc... again, there is no point to call it auto cancel
Armada, what's your opinion on SSF2?
When PPMD see that he will become invincible!
Just tested this out and there are ways to quickly drop through the platform. When landing on top plat you can keep holding the control stick forward so you start a walk animation, then quickly fall through by pressing down. (Iasi drop) An even quicker way to drop through is to buffer shield drop as you are landing with the dair. This will cause falco to immediately drop through the platform after getting through his landing animation.
You're the best, thanks for helping us mortals catch up
If you buffer shield and shield drop as soon as you land you can do it into aerials.
The animation you talk about where you can't fall through platform can be canceled so you can fall through. What you need to do is either walk forward a little bit or you can cancel it with shielding itself which you can then fall through with. As long as u walk forward for 1 frame or shield drop you can fall through.
thank you armada i am currently trying this and when i can get this down pat i can star working on the followups i appreciate this as it may just give me an edge when i go to canada cup this year
If you want to fall through the platform quickly after the aerial interrupt, isai drop or shield drop.
Always dropping heat 🔥
I think I only heard about this before on silent wolf's stream probably a year ago. It's hard for me to get the timing down right though.
i do this but its a little hard to do the timing consistently. And if you want to drop through after landing, either shield drop or Isai drop (walk forward a little and then hit down.) Also this dair AI also works when he jumps from ledge but you did it a little late and you never actually made it above the platform. It works on every stage for that one. (but the only one i could find use for is dreamland because landing on side platform is like literally frame perfect otherwise.)
WTFFFF WHAAATTTT
Armada is so good
Great, just when you think the circus music couldn't get any more intense...
The funny thing about this is that this is actually significantly easier than hitting a perfect waveland.
Has this not been shown on SSBM Tutorials? Forgive me if I am wrong, but I remember Kira showing this there.
Nice, thanks for the tip adam
-*Falco*
@WestBallz!!!!!!!
Phillip Harrison pretty sure I've seen Weston do this
West has done it on stream before
iirc he did AC dair>pivot>shield drop>bair or platform cancel bair at the end.
I actually just accidentally discovered this about a week ago and have started trying to incorporate it into my play
oh my god this is genius, using the morphing of the hurtbox to make use out of the first set of AC frames
and since you AC out of the landing, you can isai drop to plat drop quickly after and youre in standing animation so all of your options are available to you
I've been doing this a while and have also been so confused as to why no one else does it - even if I do it in-game, my opponent has no reaction, which makes me think they don't even realize that I'm not wavelanding
I'd like to see more Falcos do this.. Cause it's cool!
thank you armada. i will now practice this
additional tip if you press jump too late you will ledge cancel the jump from the jumpsquat animation and just fall off the plat
When your so much better than everyone else that you can start giving things away for free and still not have to worry about people beating you
I was messing around with this, and it looks like you can immediately drop through the platform if you buffer shield and shield drop right away.
''when you waveland you waste 10frames or something like that.. don't quote me on this''
-Armada 2017
Great video as always !
Is it faster if you shield drop instead of regular drop ?
Dont normally you run off the platform and then jump when underneath the top platform, and waveland?
Hey armada u can also do this with fox's up air by jumping from edge onto the side platform. It's quicker than doing a laser land like Leffen does. I've never seen anyone do it though.
I love you armada. And thanks for the tip
I was just testing this from the top height of the FoD side platforms and it seems like it works there also.
You can also do a similar tech with falcon knee with full hop from center stage to top platform.
Yeah I knew he was going to talk about a platform trick.
I knew you could do it with Fair though. Didn't know that it worked with Dair.
Ganon shorthop backwards autocancels pretty much instantly on battlefield. you can do perfect waveland right after his squat.
do the auto cancelled dair into shield and then shield drop if you want to go through the platform without the weird animation stall.
Does the down air hitbox come out?
Do any frames of the hitbox come out or does it go straight to cancelling?
I love seeing people aerial interrupt! I see Samus do it every once in a while but that's it
question is...does Armada have a pocket falco? watch it comes out at Evo lol
I actually knew that already. I'm suprised that so few people only know about that.
Armada is on the #makefalcogreatagain train
I would like to see how he Multi Shines/Wave Shines.
This is a lot like samus' up air interuppts, right?
Falco dittos is my most common matchup and I don't think I've seen this
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I actually don't get that long animation when i do this trick
I think it's interruptible. You're probably interrupting it by walking or crouching.
BOOM FSMASH! BOOM HEADSHOT!
1:36 someone meme this
Android! Marth can do it too on Yoshi's. Short hop from the platform and use a late upair. It similarly autocancels.
i think i saw a djlo gfy of this in the early days of smash reddit
i knew about it but never implemented it
Why are you such a cool person tho?
More Falco stuff please! #makefalcogreatagain
DAMN YOU TOLD THEM ABOUT MY EVO WINNING TRICK THX ALOT ARMADA
does the hit box come out?
Anyone know what other stages this works with? Or is it only on Yoshi's?
mr.szechuan It works on Fountain of Dreams, but only when the side platform is really high.
Theory: Falco does not have a losing match-up on Yoshi's Story. Every match-up is even or better for Falco on that stage. Thoughts?
marth can do the same Aerial interrupt using up air
Armada saving Falco in the meta!
Is this like skeleton manipulation to no impact land?
Friso Dubach ye its ECB manipulation but its not a NIL. its an autocancel due to the fact that dair does that before the hitbox comes out
I do that all the time in Project M! I didn't know that worked in melee :D
it works with falcon as well
"Yous actually goes up to the top platform"- Armada. I love this guy
Armada said it himself. The typical falco wastes 10 frames with the previous method!
looks like platform cancelling from Brawl that Mr. R was famous for with his Marth.
Well, one is done by performing an action while holding down, and the other by using dair to briefly put your character model above the platform. Also, I think you could act even faster out of it in Brawl, actually.
I've known about this for aggeeessss. I'm surprised most people didn't.
so its like that brawl tech, nice
i've known about this for a while but never thought to try and emplement it in game. seems too inconsistent
austenluego What is inconsistent about it? It's super easy.
I know it's Armada, but he seemed to be doing it quite consistently in the video.
Not inconsistent at all whatsoever, he literally told you every step to be consistent with it as well. All the learning is done already my man, just do it and you'll be better instantaneously. I'm not even joking either, this one thing will make you like 2 or 3x better on this stage, and if you learn to implement it in other ways on other stages then you'll be godlike man. I would try to fuck around with it myself a lot, but I don't have a lot of time to myself nowadays.
Seriously, this is the real shit guys. We have shield drops that make dropping from a platform instant; now we have aerial interrupts which make snapping onto a platform ALSO instant. For fucks sake, people should get on this shit.
ok but only if you promise not to kill any of my loved ones
I just met you dude, I can't make you any promises.
learned this from westballz. but haven't tried to use it because of inconsistency.
inb4 Armada baits everyone into using this because he found the optimal OP punish for it Kappa
That is so neat!
I'm gonna practice this!
I knew you could do this kinda thing with fair (don't remember if it autocancelled though). Dair seems to be much better, thanks!
that's just a NIL right
I found out this also works on Fountain of Dreams at some points.
If the other guy could stop fucking moving with marth I would have appreciated this video 10x more.
I knew about this and I rarely play Falco. I just know it from messing around with him on Yoshi's for 30 minutes or so.
Amazing tip.
When I try to do it I tend to shield drop a lot. That's weird lol
Are you l-canceling? It's autocancel
How is that even possible with these inputs
Because I d-air, I press L to auto-cancel it but because it's so fast I don't have the time to remove my finger on L and the Control Stick so I Shield Drop without even doing it intentionally. lmao
The funny thing is that I don't even need to L-Cancel it so I don't know why I'm doing it
Crumbling it auto cancels so you don't have to press l. Also to shield drop you have to input the angle after your shield comes out. So that wouldn't happen
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I actually knew about this beforehand. I'm one of the small numbers, yay.
Dropping through takes a long time unless you do an Isai drop then you have much less lag. Nice exploit of the collision mechanics though!
More Falco tips pls
Works with a lot of characters actually
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Thank you!