This takes top marks as one of the best gbb reviews ever. I despair at most of the utterly crap YT reviews these days. For example, 5 minutes of rambling bollox etc with the gun still in the box, banging on about crap we don't want to hear etc. Also along with consistent incorrect terminology. For example, a gbb has a frame and slide. A slide is a slide, it's NOT a "top slide" it's NOT a "top slider" etc. Same with the frame, it's a frame. It's NOT "the lower", it's NOT a "receiver", nor a "lower receiver" - those terms largely refer to rifles. I've even heard someone call the G17 take-down tabs as "these things" This was different - very good review buddy. Video quality great / sound great / to the point, with all we need to know. Keep up the good work mate, and I've subscribed.
After buying a WE i discovered nobody makes aftermarket WE blowback housings so no lightweight versions unless you drill the OEM part, everything else fits TM stuff so is upgradeable. Not sure on piston heads either there's loads for TM but the WE is different seems nobody makes aftermarket piston heads for WE. If i was to do my build again I would 100% buy a TM it makes so much sense with the upgradeability
What do you mean? I drop TM blow back housings into all my WE slides. not a problem at all. WE nozzle is 13.7mm or 14mm depending on the age while a lot of TM spec housings are 13.5mm so you need to swap the orings but thats no a problem.
WE glock is absolutely TM compatible, it just takes a bit of extra research into how each company makes their own parts to see how it all fits together.
The Marui plastic slides are one of the main reasons to consider them. Not only because they're snappier, but mainly because they're more gas efficient. And that's not even important because gas is expensive or refilling is annoying, the main part is that the light weight plastic slides will still cycle well in cold temperatures with regular green gas. The heavy metal ones won't even get enough pressure out of a single refill to reliably dump the regular mag full of bbs.
@@rayvirile I mean TM are basically the gods of Airsoft. Inventors of the AEG ect ect. Honestly for us in Ireland both North and South, Yes. TM is the way to go because of the 328fps limit (japan share that same limit). Umarex's pistols don't function as good green gas wise in the colder weather here. I would personally pick TM over Umarex but it depends on your own needs and wishes however.
The sticking on a slow cycle is just the outer barrel hitting the ramp on the lower to return it back to its locking tabs in the slide. I have a WE glock with the same issue, no impact on performance when using it, just seems odd when you hand cycle the slide slowly
Great vid a usual, makes me regret having bough the gen3 3 years ago as it seen the light of day maybe twice. preffer my 1911 and Umarex glocks 19. When you get the change or your hands on a G17 G5. plz make a review on that. PS, liking the new background.
Do you know the compatibility of aftermarket slides / internals made for TM? I assume all TM spec aftermarket Glock parts will still fit? Great video and thanks!
BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT it’s what puts me off buying anything else, it’s an extremely impressive bit of kit, for a pistol it’s got some legs on it and is really accurate, but I think it’s a TM pistol thing as oppose to a TM HK45 thing
1:25 EAGLE TALON!!! watching your vid and holding a gen3 tm at the same time i can confirm that the internals are very similar but different in areas. i dont think the gen4 will be able to use any gen3 aftermarket parts sadly.. the hop up looks like the one from the g19 gen3. cant wait to see what becomes available for these and if im wrong about not compatible with the gen3 aftermarket parts
I don’t think it’s Japanese law that the slide has to be metal because my TM FNX45 has a metal slide. It’s probably just cheaper to use plastic and better for cold weather.
The Gen4 didn't like green gas? In what way? I've been running my TM glocks on Abbey Predator, Abbey Brut and Abbey Vertex gas for years without issue. My G34 shoots circa 315FPS and my G17 circa 280FPS with Brut gas, fitted with PDI 6.01 tightbore barrels. I'd be interested to compare the older gen G17 to the new ones for felt kick. The newer G19 I tried certainly felt good on green gas. How's the MP7 holding up?
Silver Fox Airsoft it fires fine but when the mag emptied, instead of locking back it took a chunk out of the plastic part of the slide. Almost like it didn’t have time to lock. It did it twice, but the was fine on 134a gas. I thought it was due to the bigger cylinder but the G19 has the same size cylinder. MP7 is going strong, no problems at all. All on green gas.
@@8ff71 In most cases, it's the marui pistols that are prone to breakage due to green gas. However, smg or rifle series from tokyo marui are usually more reinforced, worst case the nozzle breaks.
very good video review mate. You own my subscribe. Btw, with all the buffer on the recoil rod, will this G17 Gen 4 accept green gas without issue? I read one of the comment saying that green gas remove a chunk of plastic from the slide. Can you explain what exactly happening? How esthetically the slide now look like after the incident? Still OK? Thank you.
Extra Mile hi mate thanks for the sub 👍 the slide is okay, it damaged a very small piece of the plastic on the slide release where it’s thin. However, I have now trimmed the broken bit and you wouldn’t notice it really. It’s only 1mm x 1mm, so very small and still the same shape. It now works with the green gas as it just has the metal catch to latch. It was a real shame and I still don’t know how or why it happened, I may just have been unlucky but it did it twice. Other than that, it’s a really great gun.
Well, mine broke almost immediately. Hadn't even skirmished it before the slide release catch got all fucked up and broke the plastic of the slide and started to jam the slide up. Very unhappy with it.
Grant Johnstone no totally agree mate TM is a brand I just expect to be good. I had a chunk of the slid plastic get damaged on mine when using green gas but it was so small I trimmed it and no all is well again. Hope you get it sorted soon.
Great review, lots of info, I'm interested in buying one, being in Tokyo I can't have a real gun. LOL Which would you suggest, a Glock 17 or 19? Cheers
Hello! Recently discovered the channel and subscribed straight away, Great content! Have you tried this with a tracer on? Acetech BT Tracer for example (would love a review on that btw)
Hey man thanks for the thorough review, gained a sub! Just bought one from wolf armouries as my first pistol and i can't wait for it to arrive! Do you have any advice on where to source additional magazines within the UK?
Neil Cossar thanks for the sub 👍 for mags try here www.airsoftzone.co.uk/gas-magazine-for-glock-17-18c-26-advanced-pistol-gbb-tokyo-marui.html Most places seem to be out of stock.
Arrived yesterday, loving it from the backgarden plinking so far. Really satisfying strong kick just from 144a gas. One thing I did find was the punch provided for replacing the backstraps was quite weak plastic and not strong enough to push the pin out without bending, thankfully had a metal one lying around in the garage since I prefer the beaver tail. Other than that no complaints at all! Thanks again for all the advice!
Will it be fine if I use Nuprol 1.0 in this? :) Kinda new to gas guns, not sure what I can put into this. Not easy to get much else than nuprol here sadly
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT that's actually a big relief to know you were having the same issue! within the first few mags the slide catch had eaten into the slide, i'll trim it back too but it tends to fail to lock back still. other than that has it run decently on green gas?
@@Dizzyfatpigeon don’t worry. Strip it down, clean it out and put small amounts of good silicone lube on the moving parts. The more you use it the better it gets. I hadn’t used mine for a few months and it was sticking again but half a mag later it was fine. Yeah mine runs amazing now as long as I use it regularly. With the barrel and hop it’s insane.
It probably would as it has a metal subframe to the slide, but you’d have to modify it the point where I really wouldn’t bother. You’d be way better off just getting something already set up old or an RMR.
Mark Greenway I have had exactly the same happen to one of my mags! 1. You can remove it and try soaking it in silicone oil. It helped mine hold gas but not a full fill 😡 2. I have now fitted a WE fill valve. The head of the valve is fractionally smaller but the tread is the same and so is the depth. It now works fine again 👍 you can get the valves on eBay for about £5.
Mark Greenway the one I used is for a high capper/M4, part number 83. Like I say, the head is a little smaller, but it seems to be working well. Better quality too from how it looks.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT just notice one of the mags is missing a o ring on the outside where you fill it its tiny little thing god knows how i lost that and now i will buy the WE valve and thank you again
Hello man, I was hoping for a review with a new Glock - but no Tokjo Marui plastic star! I'm waiting for more tests on the Glock 45 GBB from - of course - VFC / Umarex. I need more metal for the real steel feel.
I’ve been airsofting for 20 years, started with TM and have always had their offerings until I decided to go for a WE gen 5. What an absolute pile In comparison to my Marui G19 gen 3. The WE is now an ornament ( hop is very poor, slide lock is a gamble, it’s chewed the slide a good bit from the slide lock and part of the blow back housing broke off under normal use)
You can use it but on some including mine the plastic around the slide catch can get caught on the release catch causing the slide to jam or sometimes come off! I have modded mine and it’s fine to use with green gas.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT this happened exactly to me not even the first day I got it. The 15mm bbu compared to the lightness of the slide is now just too insanely fast on green gas. When slide locking it will grind the area where the locking insert is and damage the plastic slide. could you speak of what mod you did to get it working on green gas too?
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Looking to buy one for my old man now that he is retired he misses his service weapon😂🤷🏻♂️ great review!
This takes top marks as one of the best gbb reviews ever. I despair at most of the utterly crap YT reviews these days. For example, 5 minutes of rambling bollox etc with the gun still in the box, banging on about crap we don't want to hear etc. Also along with consistent incorrect terminology.
For example, a gbb has a frame and slide.
A slide is a slide, it's NOT a "top slide" it's NOT a "top slider" etc.
Same with the frame, it's a frame. It's NOT "the lower", it's NOT a "receiver", nor a "lower receiver" - those terms largely refer to rifles. I've even heard someone call the G17 take-down tabs as "these things"
This was different - very good review buddy.
Video quality great / sound great / to the point, with all we need to know.
Keep up the good work mate, and I've subscribed.
Garry T thank you very much for the kind words, it’s really appreciated 👍
After buying a WE i discovered nobody makes aftermarket WE blowback housings so no lightweight versions unless you drill the OEM part, everything else fits TM stuff so is upgradeable. Not sure on piston heads either there's loads for TM but the WE is different seems nobody makes aftermarket piston heads for WE. If i was to do my build again I would 100% buy a TM it makes so much sense with the upgradeability
What do you mean? I drop TM blow back housings into all my WE slides. not a problem at all.
WE nozzle is 13.7mm or 14mm depending on the age while a lot of TM spec housings are 13.5mm so you need to swap the orings but thats no a problem.
WE glock is absolutely TM compatible, it just takes a bit of extra research into how each company makes their own parts to see how it all fits together.
I would agree. Tm products are the best. Aftermarket parts are easy to find.
Plus breaking down tm Vs. Wet.
Tm wins! Superior design
The Marui plastic slides are one of the main reasons to consider them. Not only because they're snappier, but mainly because they're more gas efficient. And that's not even important because gas is expensive or refilling is annoying, the main part is that the light weight plastic slides will still cycle well in cold temperatures with regular green gas.
The heavy metal ones won't even get enough pressure out of a single refill to reliably dump the regular mag full of bbs.
I have a Gen5 by EastCrane, I feel the TM quality on this with some steel internals and a metal slide, only for $90 in my country.
Tokyo have the rights to use the glock trademarks in Japan. Umarex/ Elite force only have the rights for EU/ NA
So is TM a better brand than Umarex?
@@rayvirile I mean TM are basically the gods of Airsoft. Inventors of the AEG ect ect.
Honestly for us in Ireland both North and South, Yes. TM is the way to go because of the 328fps limit (japan share that same limit). Umarex's pistols don't function as good green gas wise in the colder weather here.
I would personally pick TM over Umarex but it depends on your own needs and wishes however.
Good info, I was wondering how TM had the Glock trades.
The sticking on a slow cycle is just the outer barrel hitting the ramp on the lower to return it back to its locking tabs in the slide. I have a WE glock with the same issue, no impact on performance when using it, just seems odd when you hand cycle the slide slowly
Its actually sticking on the hammer. You can get a ball bearing hammer wheel that will help it not stick. Bomber 8mm wheel is my go to.
@@willowrabbit link?
Great vid a usual, makes me regret having bough the gen3 3 years ago as it seen the light of day maybe twice. preffer my 1911 and Umarex glocks 19. When you get the change or your hands on a G17 G5. plz make a review on that.
PS, liking the new background.
Do you know the compatibility of aftermarket slides / internals made for TM? I assume all TM spec aftermarket Glock parts will still fit?
Great video and thanks!
Did you need to lubricate it out the box and kind did you use?
Here in the States, we only have green gas to use in Tokyo Marui pistols. I got a Tokyo Marui HK USP Compact!.
If you watch my update video you’ll see why I said what I did. I use green gas in mine now.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT I'll check it out later on today!.
The more I see the TM glock the more I want one. I have the TM HK45 tac and it’s such a great pistol.
Rageophile 1978 awesome pistol, I’d like the HK45 myself.
BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT it’s what puts me off buying anything else, it’s an extremely impressive bit of kit, for a pistol it’s got some legs on it and is really accurate, but I think it’s a TM pistol thing as oppose to a TM HK45 thing
HK45 of TM was my favourite GBB, shoot lots better than the KWA one. i sold it to a friend because its easier to find parts for glock series
How do you adjust the hop on this where abouts is it through the window?, also could you help swapping mag realise over to other side?.
Is KYairsoft a good place to import TM glock stuff to the USA? I'd like to add the famous branded one to my collection next to my Umarex licensed one!
1:25 EAGLE TALON!!! watching your vid and holding a gen3 tm at the same time i can confirm that the internals are very similar but different in areas. i dont think the gen4 will be able to use any gen3 aftermarket parts sadly.. the hop up looks like the one from the g19 gen3. cant wait to see what becomes available for these and if im wrong about not compatible with the gen3 aftermarket parts
Can you power stroke it?
Would look good with an olight pl mini 2.just fitted one on mine.great review 👍
That is significantly snappier than my TM. gen3 G17
Yeah it’s really snappy, I’m impressed with it so far. I’m sure I’ll be using this a lot, I love how solid it feels too.
I don’t think it’s Japanese law that the slide has to be metal because my TM FNX45 has a metal slide. It’s probably just cheaper to use plastic and better for cold weather.
have you heard of the "evolution ghost series" airsoft guns, they seem ok, what are your thoughts?
can pick up a bomber 8mm ball bearing hammer wheel to smooth up the action and get rid of that half way stick.
The Gen4 didn't like green gas? In what way?
I've been running my TM glocks on Abbey Predator, Abbey Brut and Abbey Vertex gas for years without issue. My G34 shoots circa 315FPS and my G17 circa 280FPS with Brut gas, fitted with PDI 6.01 tightbore barrels. I'd be interested to compare the older gen G17 to the new ones for felt kick. The newer G19 I tried certainly felt good on green gas.
How's the MP7 holding up?
Silver Fox Airsoft it fires fine but when the mag emptied, instead of locking back it took a chunk out of the plastic part of the slide. Almost like it didn’t have time to lock. It did it twice, but the was fine on 134a gas. I thought it was due to the bigger cylinder but the G19 has the same size cylinder. MP7 is going strong, no problems at all. All on green gas.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT so if I have an TM mp7 I can shoot green gas??
@@8ff71 In most cases, it's the marui pistols that are prone to breakage due to green gas. However, smg or rifle series from tokyo marui are usually more reinforced, worst case the nozzle breaks.
MrTesto exactly what ihavenoidea said. I use green gas in mine, if I damage the nozzle, I’ll replace it.
@@pspmaster510 I am from europe and I still not found an seller what has nozzles only WII tech but they are 98$
very good video review mate. You own my subscribe. Btw, with all the buffer on the recoil rod, will this G17 Gen 4 accept green gas without issue? I read one of the comment saying that green gas remove a chunk of plastic from the slide. Can you explain what exactly happening? How esthetically the slide now look like after the incident? Still OK? Thank you.
Extra Mile hi mate thanks for the sub 👍 the slide is okay, it damaged a very small piece of the plastic on the slide release where it’s thin. However, I have now trimmed the broken bit and you wouldn’t notice it really. It’s only 1mm x 1mm, so very small and still the same shape. It now works with the green gas as it just has the metal catch to latch. It was a real shame and I still don’t know how or why it happened, I may just have been unlucky but it did it twice. Other than that, it’s a really great gun.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT Thanks alot for prompt reply. Really appreciate it mate!
Extra Mile you’re welcome 👍
Is the slide metal or are tokoya marui guns completly plastic?
Well, mine broke almost immediately. Hadn't even skirmished it before the slide release catch got all fucked up and broke the plastic of the slide and started to jam the slide up. Very unhappy with it.
Grant Johnstone that’s bad luck mate
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT hopefully firesupport will be happy to take it back. Never had any trouble with brand new TM stuff before.
Grant Johnstone no totally agree mate TM is a brand I just expect to be good. I had a chunk of the slid plastic get damaged on mine when using green gas but it was so small I trimmed it and no all is well again. Hope you get it sorted soon.
Great review, lots of info, I'm interested in buying one, being in Tokyo I can't have a real gun. LOL
Which would you suggest, a Glock 17 or 19?
Cheers
Just get the one you like the look of the most. I personally like the 17 👍
im just getting in to air soft what kind of bbs do you use for this gun
Nice Yamaha cap! where can I buy it ?
Where can I pick one of these up?
Will this fit a safariland 6354do holster if I put a trijicon RMR and surefire x300u on it?
Hello! Recently discovered the channel and subscribed straight away, Great content!
Have you tried this with a tracer on? Acetech BT Tracer for example (would love a review on that btw)
chrisrowdenphoto thanks for the support 👍 I haven’t looked at fitting a suppressor but it’s something I might look in to in the future.
Can u fit one. Is the standard outer barrel treaded? Or plastic?
is the outer barrel also plastic?
TM doesn't officially sell outside of Japan, so they get around trademark laws 🤷♂️
Dealers put on the website that trades are removed. Never seen it yet 🤫
I'm hard to see it,when you open the magazine
Hey man thanks for the thorough review, gained a sub! Just bought one from wolf armouries as my first pistol and i can't wait for it to arrive! Do you have any advice on where to source additional magazines within the UK?
Neil Cossar thanks for the sub 👍 for mags try here www.airsoftzone.co.uk/gas-magazine-for-glock-17-18c-26-advanced-pistol-gbb-tokyo-marui.html
Most places seem to be out of stock.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT Ahh you absolute magician thank you! I was struggling to find any there, really appreciate it
Arrived yesterday, loving it from the backgarden plinking so far. Really satisfying strong kick just from 144a gas. One thing I did find was the punch provided for replacing the backstraps was quite weak plastic and not strong enough to push the pin out without bending, thankfully had a metal one lying around in the garage since I prefer the beaver tail. Other than that no complaints at all! Thanks again for all the advice!
Neil Cossar yeah the plastic punch is a bit lame lol I used mine at the weekend and it performed great.
2 weeks passed. We waiting for video.
What is the ammo? is it bb
Will it be fine if I use Nuprol 1.0 in this? :) Kinda new to gas guns, not sure what I can put into this. Not easy to get much else than nuprol here sadly
NGX Productions yeah that’s fine.
Could you speak of what mod you did to get it working on green gas?
Where the plastic caught, I just trimmed it back until it didn’t catch anymore. It has an upgraded barrel and hop rubber now and it really effective.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT that's actually a big relief to know you were having the same issue!
within the first few mags the slide catch had eaten into the slide, i'll trim it back too but it tends to fail to lock back still.
other than that has it run decently on green gas?
@@Dizzyfatpigeon don’t worry. Strip it down, clean it out and put small amounts of good silicone lube on the moving parts. The more you use it the better it gets. I hadn’t used mine for a few months and it was sticking again but half a mag later it was fine. Yeah mine runs amazing now as long as I use it regularly. With the barrel and hop it’s insane.
Where did you get the gas. I can’t find 134a anywhere
You can always use Nuprol 1.0 gas. It’s just the same. I use it as a maintenance gas when storing mags.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT ok thanks!
do you have a link?
G17 or g18?thanks
Depends if you want full auto?
can this gen 4 use the old gen3 TM G17 magazine?
They can for sure, but if you are a left handed, you can’t swap the ambi mag release with gen 3 mags.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT thank you for the info
is it compatible with the after market slides from the gen 3 glocks?
freedm7.62 I don’t know for sure, the internals are different but the space might be the same. Can’t say for sure though
Will the plastic slide handle an RMR??
It probably would as it has a metal subframe to the slide, but you’d have to modify it the point where I really wouldn’t bother. You’d be way better off just getting something already set up old or an RMR.
I don’t have a tm I have the Umarex version but it won’t fire can you please tell me how to fix it I had it for less than a month
Sorry mate but without seeing it, it’s impossible to say what’s wrong.
How do u order from their website 😂
Yo I need advice? Can you help? I just bought one of these
xxkudzxx 93 what’s wrong?
Hey.. sorry.. false alarm. Thanks
Where did you buy it?
Jason Diaz I got mine from WGC in HK, I believe you can get it from Wolf Armouries.
It.s nice and cool !
I have many Tpkyo maruy air soft gun,
Can anyone tell me should i buy arcturus ak12?
In Which website can I buy thus?
Have you found the website to buy this ? It would help, thanks
Hi Big Bird i need some help with my M17 as the fill valve is venting gas and i dnt know how to stop it and cant find a replacement.
Mark Greenway I have had exactly the same happen to one of my mags!
1. You can remove it and try soaking it in silicone oil. It helped mine hold gas but not a full fill 😡
2. I have now fitted a WE fill valve. The head of the valve is fractionally smaller but the tread is the same and so is the depth. It now works fine again 👍 you can get the valves on eBay for about £5.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT cheers BigBird so what valve should i find will i need either a Glock or a M9 and a big thank you for the reply
Mark Greenway the one I used is for a high capper/M4, part number 83. Like I say, the head is a little smaller, but it seems to be working well. Better quality too from how it looks.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT just notice one of the mags is missing a o ring on the outside where you fill it its tiny little thing god knows how i lost that and now i will buy the WE valve and thank you again
Mark Greenway yep exactly what happened to mine. I think those valves are junk. The plunger in the centre sticks, doesn’t seal etc.
Hello man, I was hoping for a review with a new Glock - but no Tokjo Marui plastic star! I'm waiting for more tests on the Glock 45 GBB from - of course - VFC / Umarex. I need more metal for the real steel feel.
Bill Bones you could always fit an u-grade kit to the TM and have the best of both worlds 👍 VFC have annoyed me lately lol
Plastic slide threw me away, I’d like a real feel model as a replica. WE Tech at least uses metal slides, just doesn’t use real trademarkings. 🤷🏼♂️
WE Tech also stop working after 5 minutes. I used to think the same but in the middle of a game you don’t worry about the slide and just if it works.
I’ve been airsofting for 20 years, started with TM and have always had their offerings until I decided to go for a WE gen 5. What an absolute pile In comparison to my Marui G19 gen 3. The WE is now an ornament ( hop is very poor, slide lock is a gamble, it’s chewed the slide a good bit from the slide lock and part of the blow back housing broke off under normal use)
Can someone send me link for the g17?
Why would the bbs in the box be “decent” lol....just cause they’re Tokyo marui?
Because TM provide good quality BB’s when compared to other manufacturers. Fairly self explanatory.
Tokyo Marui is a CD Project Red of Airsoft, except they charge more for their products.
Im scared that de Glock 17 gen 4 dont shoot fast
Fo a KC02
green gas is fine in these.
You can use it but on some including mine the plastic around the slide catch can get caught on the release catch causing the slide to jam or sometimes come off! I have modded mine and it’s fine to use with green gas.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT this happened exactly to me not even the first day I got it.
The 15mm bbu compared to the lightness of the slide is now just too insanely fast on green gas. When slide locking it will grind the area where the locking insert is and damage the plastic slide.
could you speak of what mod you did to get it working on green gas too?
Plastic slide??!lol