This Drum Throne Is Crap.
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This Drum Throne Is Crap.
So what makes a good drum throne versus a bad drum throne? And why do they even matter in the long run? Let's dive into that and more.
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Link to the roc n soc throne in my description. What's your fav drum throne?
The Roc n Soc for sure. It's kept me from further back injury for close to 20 years now.
I went with the spinal-G after sitting on a friend’s Carmichael throne. I spent more on that throne than I did on my first kit.
Worth every penny
Why are good thrones so expensive? I have been looking for a good throne that would not break the bank for many years. The throne I have I have been using since the 1980s that I got with my first drum set. It is a round seat thicker than most I have seen. It is firm and does not wobble or spin. The problem is that after 40 years, the seem is splitting. Roc N Sock thrones from what you and others have said are great. My problem is that I do not know anywhere that has a decent amount of thrones to try out. I do not just want to order something expensive without being able to try it out. The other issue is most drum throne seats spin and turn as you play. I prefer a throne seat that is stationary and does not spin. All the thrones I have been able to try all had issues. The seats were too thin and not padded enough, or it was too padded and too soft. The other problem is that the throne seat stands. The hydraulic ones make for easy adjustments but allow the seat to spin. Others I have tried have the ability to lock the seat so it does not spin, but they tend to wobble back and forth and side to side. I am looking for throne suggestions to try out.
These roc n soc are far expensive than these you showed before so it's clear that also you take from these other companies the entry level thrones so at thrones of Roc n Soc with similar prices maybe things are far different!!
@@Iamadrummer I've had my roc n soc (square seat) for over 15 years now and I've been saying I'm getting close to needing a new piston for like the last 5 years lol and it still keeps going.
I like their guitar stools too.
I've had my Roc n Soc throne for 15+ years. I've gigged with it, shedded with it, transported it, and it's taken all I've thrown at it. I'm also a large individual, and it's held up fantastically. I recently (mistakenly) trusted a drummer and used his kit for a show. I didn't take any of my gear. He had one of those cheap stools like the first one you showed. After 10 minutes of the 30 minute set, I was ready to grab a regular chair and deal with the poor height and angle. Never leaving my throne at home again...
I’ve had my ROC N Soc for 23+ years & no issues 🔥👌🏽
Got my R+S for my first POS used set in 1988. It was the most expensive piece and the only part that lasted through my entire playing career.
I just bought a roc n soc for the first time after 14 years of playing. So excited to take that thing to gigs
It's all I buy. I still have a 20+ year old one and scored a nitro on craigslist for $50. Dude said the hydraulic was broken. It wasn't.
@@PrinceAsmodeus can't beat that deal!
Thats why I got the Ahead Spinal Glide throne.. no more back pain of any kind, definetely worth it
Liked mine so much for my drum kit I bought a second one when I play Bass.
Absolutely..the Ahead Spinal Glide is the best, better than Roc-N-Soc. That said it took a year to get one to the UK.
Can you guys elaborate on why the Ahead Spinal Glide is better than Roc n Soc. What model of Ahead Spinal Glide? Thanks
@@DVHdrums Sweetwater SPG - BL $249. Has cut out section in center. No pressure on sacrum/ coccyx ( lower spine) Has 4 legs great for stability Roc n Soc 3 legs
No back rest for now maybe coming soon so I am told
If you suffer from lower back pain this is my and maybe your cure. Price wise they in the same level. Roc n Soc are excellent I've played on one but never owned one
And handy place to keep a reserve stick in the crack😅
AHEAD SPINAL GLIDE - END OF STORY! Love Roc n Soc, but Ahead is another level.
Ahead Spinal Glide! I had 3 lumbar surgeries and can play for 4+ hours since switching to the Spinal G saddle seat throne with a backrest. Highly recommend it…bad back or not.
Roc~n~Soc is great. I have the Roc~n~Soc lunar series gas throne that’s lasted years and years. I suggest adding the backrest (sold separately) for added support like I did. Hands down best throne, and best investment as a drummer. THE THRONE MATTERS!!! Save your back, and save the time, money, and hassle!
Black Roc n Soc hydro with the backrest. Love it....😊
Have had the same Roc n Soc for 26 years and still going.
My Mapex throne is great and a lot easier on the bank balance than the Roc n Soc thrones. Really solid construction, optional back support pad and the seat is just the right level of firmness for my skinny, British arse... In all seriousness it has made a major difference as I now feel stable enough to play double bass without straining the adductuctor muscles in my hips. I still suck at double bass but at least I suck in an ergonomically optimal fashion.
ROC-N-Soc for me, my favorite that I use for weekly jam sessions and gigs with a band I play with the first and third Fridays of each month.
Took me years to find the perfect throne for me. Ahead Spinal G. Cant use anything else. Top of my thigh was going numb with my Pearl Roadster.
I've had my Roc n Soc for over 20 years also. But it's one of the spin height adjust. The seat is still in perfect condition and hasn't worn down at all.I REALLY want to get the nitro lift Roc n Soc. The only issue I've run into with my throne is the seat squeaks like CRAZY where it attaches to the base. Which is not good when I try to record. I'm always having to wipe it out and spray some WD-40 in there.
Was just about to post this. Lots of drummers feel spindle thrones are more robust, but I've never encountered one that didn't squeak. My gas shock Roc-N-Soc is over 20 years old and it's still going strong. It creaks a bit if I lean really hard, but otherwise it's dead silent. It probably just needs to have the clamp tightened a bit. The only issues with the gas shock are 1) the bounce might take a bit of time to get used to; and 2) if dirt gets in between the telescoping tubes, it will impede the throne's ability to rise.
BTW, WD-40 is a terrible lubricant. Use lithium grease instead. Just be sure to clean off all the WD-40 first, as it can prevent the grease from working.
@@jc3drums916 +1 for white lithium grease for metal on metal drum hardware applications in general
I have had my Roc-n-Soc for at least 20 years. It has survived a lot of abuse without any degradation. Pneumatics still work like new, etc.
Definitely the ROC-N-SOC! Also love the way they work to absorb the shock for your back as you move up and down!
Yes, this has always been a selling point for me with hydraulic. They move with you while you play
I won't play with anything else! Even on a back line kit, the rns goes with the snare/pedal/cymbals!
I've got two Pearl Roadster and think they're really good
Did a fill in gig and the drummer let me use his stuff, which was nice of him. He had a DW 5120 tractor seat throne. It makes me sick to say this - but it's the best throne I have ever sat on. I think DW is wayyyyy overpriced with everything. The only thing not good about that throne, is it weighs like 100 lbs haha
I love my Tama first chair, and also my Gibraltar oversized Biker throne....After 60+ years of playing, those were the best for me..........and O have had back problems in the past....Not when I'm playing..............Ralph Onofrio
Soundseat USA made , incredibly helpful people . I imported one to the UK because they are the best ! Used by Richie Hayward .
Highly agree, the throne is arguably the most important part of your kit. I take mine to every gig, session and rehearsal I do. For years I’ve used the Yamaha DS950, which has been flawless. I just got an Ahead Spinal G. The throne base, needs improvement, but the seat is really incredible. So the Spinal G top is on the DS950 base. Perfecto!
Been using the high end Yamaha throne for a couple decades, ALL they're hardware is top tier and more than solid.
Yea, I'll vouch for their hardware. I've got a mid 80s recording custom and all of the hardware is still going strong.
Never did get comfortable on a Roc n Soc. As soon as I put weight on the pedal, the seat lifts a bit. It seems like it's moving up and down all the time.
Yea, those hydraulics will do that. That's honestly something I like about it, that it moves with you
Roc n soc king but dw and porkpie are great. I chose dw for extra firmness. My spinal disease was worse with softer thrones.
Yea, ain't a fan of the soft thrones
Thanks for the video. This is super important issue for drummers but not many people speak about it. Love your videos
Thanks my friend!
Used a Roc-n-soc too for over 20 years too, still have it but it finally started to loose its squish and I could feel the board when sitting on it, nothing against the product, it just had so much use. Only issue I did have was I could never get the seat wing bolt to stay tight on the post, so the seat would spin while playing, not at all a deal breaker but no matter what it would only stay tight for a few songs. Still, I like it. I use a Ludwig Atlas throne now, probably won't last as long but its comfy and gets the job done.
I was having a lot of back problems when I was using a cheap throne. A couple of years ago I splurged for a Roc N Soc and I am SO GLAD I did. It has eliminated the problems I had before and is so comfortable and a pleasure to play on.
Have any drummers from the 60/70’s complain about back pain? Serious question because the thrones they sat on were about the same as a Tour de France bike seat.
yes, most of them.
I still sometimes use my old Tama Titan throne, that I bought new in 1978. It is still more comfortable than my newer ones, and the original stitching is still in place.
The only issue I have with my tama first chair is the stitching (as you can see in the video). Other than that, it would be a close second to roc n soc.
I still use mine from 1980, my wife saw the cover coming apart and reupholstered it 20 years ago.
I'm a 6'-2" drummer who's also a cyclist... I used to have a crappy drum throne but it was the right height for my tall leggy frame. At some point it got lost after a gig just before a recording session. I was I the middle of a bathroom remodel at the time, so I used some leftover 4" drain pipe and plywood to make a temporary throne for the session. That was back in 2015 and I'm still rockin' it!! As I said in the beginning, cycling long rides really got me used to have a smaller seat to sit on and more freedom of movement. I'm the same with drumming, i feel like big tractor seats get in the way and the worst are hydro and swivel and bob all around... I tried a Roc-n-Sock maxed out and was the same height as mine but dropped a bit too low for me when sitting on it. Side benefit of my DIY is that I can pop the top off and store my sticks and stuff in it like old school canister thrones.
Was a roc n soc but my newest buy was a dw 5000 standard version but i want the ahead spinal g but i fell in love my new dw 5000 due to how it was firmer but holds my almost 250 weight
I remembering being asked by a teacher- "What's the most important piece of equipment on the drum kit?" I was surprised by his answer- "your drum throne!" He proceeded to give the same lesson you covered in this video. This was in the mid 70's. I think I purchased my first Roc-n-Soc sometime in the 80's. I'm not sure which of the Roc-n-Soc thrones I use was my first since they're all going strong. I repeat the lesson I had so many years ago to all of my new students and have had a long drumming career free of back problems! Great work with your channel!
the bounce of the hydraulic thrones are not good for the back either. The solid Roc N Soc for the win. Also have one well over 20 years old and it is great!!
I have a roc n soc seat with a gibraltar base the perfect combination i think 20 plus years still going strong
I love roc n soc thrones. I have had mine for sevral years now, and I have to say that this is the best throne I have ever owned. I have had plenty of experiences where I was uncomfortable because the throne I was sitting on was crap. I have also had experiences where the thrones at the venue or rehearsal room of a music store actualy had wingnuts missing! thank goodness the throne didn't come apart while I was playing.
I would also agree on the bicycle seat. I think it is more comfortable to me personally, although I used to think round seats were better.
Rock n sock throne with backrest is essential for gigging! Word ofcaution if playing in a cold environment with a gas cylinder base you might find yourself sinking as you play.
I'm, ahem, an older drummer - and back support and good overall support are really important to me. I've had the roc-n-soc for several years now and I immediately installed the back rest making it not only the best drum throne I've ever used but also just the best adjustable chair for every other thing I do around my studio as well (i.e .computer editing etc..) Thanks for covering this and confirming my experience through your own.
Using Roc ''n Soc for like 25 plus yrs the best ! Love it, same goes for Zildijan K and Premier kits (English built)
My Roc N Soc seat (with a back!) has put up with my butt for 25 years, still looks new. Most comfortable seat in my house.
Roc-n-soc all day! With a backrest. I lean back and push into the backrest, without I have a tendency for bad posture.
I love my Roc N Soc thrones! I bought one in 1997 and still use it all the time. It’s still in great shape. I only bought a second one so I could keep at least one set up at all times. The other one I take on gigs with my other kits.
It absolutely makes a big difference...Being older, the new one that came with my entry level Pearl kit was Garbage!!! Couldn't sit on it for more than 15 minutes without discomfort.. Bought the DW saddle style and it's way better. I looked at the roc n soc but because of price it wasn't a consideration...
Any thoughts on the Ahead spinal drum thrones. Comparison to the Roc n soc
I taught on a RnS around 30 hours per week for about 3 years. It’s a very comfortable throne, but I did end up with a herniated disc and still have back pain. The Ahead spinal glide has been a game changer and i’ll never use another throne. I have very little to no pain, even when sitting on it for hours. Both great thrones, but I really believe the spinal glide makes a huge difference.
The biggest things that guide my choice of seat is 1) weight..I prefer very lightweight ones ..2 ability to set it high. Many seem very low which don't suit me at all. 3. Round seat not bicycle seat as I find them very uncomfortable.
No spinal G in the mix? I have roc n soc and it's my fav. Spinal G is a close 2nd and I've had spinal fusion
I have sat on one, but I didn't have one here. I'm with you...they are a close second. I still dig the rns's more, but I ain't mad about the spinal g's for sure
@@StephenTaylorDrums the shock on the roc n soc is the difference maker.
I switched to.........hydraulic shop seat with 2" back. It swivels, not super thick and I find my posture is easier to maintain since it's not so thick. I think it was $55 at Walmart online. Never been happier. My drum stools are now used for picking berries and self auto repair.
I bought a Roc n Sock a couple of years ago and never looked back! 🥁❤️
Ive used Roc and Soc saddle throne with back rest forever. I dont use the back rest often but it comes in handy for theater gigs. Like to use it then for some reason. Not sure why. Nuff Said. Thx for all you do.
I’ve had mine 20 years and it really is the best throne. You can’t go wrong with a Roc n’ Soc 🎉
I use a Roc N Soc and a Pork Pie, love them both!
I’m a newbie and when I looked into it roc n soc was highly recommended and I kinda felt silly because of the price but I love it! It’s made my practice so comfortable.
Same!
I got a budget friendly doctor's exam chair with backrest off Amazon. Cheaper than the thrones I was looking at. It has wheels and stays in my studio. Not made to be a drum throne but works great for my application. Wide padded seat and stays put on the rug.
I've had my roc n soc for 26 years. It's black but I can find it in the darkest of bars by smell alone.
Props for using Dave King in your opening Montage. Definitely one of the most innovative and creative new talents that has been slow-baking in Minneapolis for decades. Now is Minnesota's gift to the world. Catch his work also with The Bad Plus, Happy Apple, Love Cars and 6 or 7 hundred other projects/bands.
He's hands down always in my top 3. Such an incredible player and wonderful human being.
I don’t use my roc n soc hydraulic any more. The shock sinks down too much when I sit on it and it’s not high enough. I sat on a new one and it was just high enough. I’ve thought about buying the tall version.
Love my Roc-N-Soc round platform. Love the Steel Woods! Thomas, Mississippi.
I had a RocNSoc Hydraulic about 20 years ago and the gas lift leaked and died after about 4 years. Horrible, so I threw it out. How did yours last so long, and what do you do if that happens out of warranty??
my Roc n Soc has lasted me 22 years and its still rolling, best throne on the market.
I do use the roc n soc throne currently and in the past as well. I’m on my 2nd one though. For me personally, the padding in these still does wear down like any cushion you’re sitting on. Is it still present and functioning, of course. But after using my first one for 6 years and only gigging with it for 2, i noticed the padding was definitely diminishing and I did start to experience discomfort with it. The Ahead seats I will say are better, last even longer, and are the move if you can afford them. But alas, I didn’t have that kind of cash for the upgraded throne and the roc n soc was still where my budget was at; so I went ahead and ordered a 2nd one because I do still stand by their quality, but there are even better thrones out there when considering back issues, etc.
I've been plying for a long time. This is back before Roc n Soc was even a concept. So by the time it came along my back was probably already ruined. I did purchase the Roc N Soc Nitro about 20 years ago and haven't used anything else since. It is still in great shape. Since I'm old and have made my hardware as light as possible, the Roc N Soc is the heaviest thing in the hardware bag. I wish there was someway for them to introduce a lighter version but with the components needed, that's not likely. Will keep on using it even if I have to hire a roadie just for my throne.😎
Roc n Soc for me as well -- I also have a back to it that I use for longer gigs.
I love how many contemporary drummers you referenced in this video 🤘
I’ve always been partial to round top thrones… But a few years ago I got a Pork Pie throne, and wow what a difference!!! I LOVE my throne now….
I was looking at getting one of the new bi faced seats with a separate cushion for each cheek and a gap for the tail bone to rest.
Great video! I've had a ROC-n-SOC for the past 5 years... Great drum throne!
Proper posture should be a habit, not forced by the throne you use. But a throne that also helps avoid butt pain/numbness and lower back pain are a BIG plus. Thanks for convincing me to purchase one of these bad boys, Stephen! Went with the Red Round Top. There goes another argument with the wife. Ahaha
Are the roc n socs you have originals or the extended version? I'm 5' 11 and just got the original but have it at its highest length. Thinking maybe I should return it for the roc n soc extended version.
I've been using roc n soc forever...they're amazing!!!!
Love the video, but all I can suggest is Brandon Green who does the body mechanics here on TH-cam has helped me in this area amongst other posture problems n working with body mechanics etc. I switched from the Ahead spinal Glide,which just got softer,giving no support to my bad back. Bought the round wide,firm D W job,n love it,which he breaks down the science for said choice. I'm in my early 50s,so to have this change from playing so long,is a real game changer. But thankyou for doing this very over looked topic n health n drumming,much appreciated ❤😊😊 Mike in the Uk
Absolutely, had him on my podcast recently. He's an amazing resource. I suggest everyone go listen to his stuff
Roc n Soc has never let me down. 20 years of being thrown into vans, beer spills, and 10000 farts.
When I started playing, I was just using a cheap throne that I got as part of a package deal. Didn't take me long before I upgraded to a Roc n' Soc. Incredible difference. Honestly, a good throne is the best return on investment upgrade you can make to your kit. I can play comfortably for hours.
I hunch over a lot. I have to tell myself to sit up straight. At 6ft tall, and mostly legs, i have yet to find a throne that sits me up high enough.
I never really think about the drum throne because most of the time I’m sitting on a Roc n Soc. I use mine at home and even my school has one that I use for jazz band and combo gigs. They’re the industry standard and you really can’t get any better.
This is so me...This is the best topic to cover ever. Subscribed.
My "cushy" Gibraltar i am no realizing is too soft. I start to slowly sink and sit awkward. I dont know how i feel about hydraulic though. It does initial sink when you first sit down
I finally found the connection between drum thrones and spinal tap! (Spinal tap the movie😂
Ha!
Seriously though great video lesson on posture, etc.
2:17 GREYSON NEKRUTMAN
Ordered one mid way through the video, great advice, great channel !
Where’s the MIJ kit ;)
My hydraulic roc and soc needs to be higher! Maxxed out and not high enough still.. anybody have the fix?
DW 9000 airlift. It also has 4 legs. The goat.
I also like 4 legs on my throne rather than 3. Makes me feel heaps more centered.
The reason you don't see more 4 legged thrones is because they act like tables. If the stage is uneven, etc. they wobble much easier. I had a 4 legged floor tom on tour last year and it gave me fits.
Definitely words of wisdom !!
II mentioned, now I gotta see the vid to the end
Any problems with the gas model in Roc N Soc ?
What’s the maximum height..
None that I've found. Not sure on maximum height
The Rock and Sock seat can get side ways on you.
The one piece of gear to not cheap out on is a good throne. No, you don't really need a back rest, unless you want one and don't mind hauling, if you're gigging. I got a pork pie throne and my only complaint is the rubber feet wear out. Which, I guess, is to be expected.
Anybody use the round roc n soc?
I always thought the old school thrones that looked like a tall drum with a seat atop, and matched the kit were cool. We should bring these back.
The old canister thrones were indeed cool! I've used a hard road case before; not ideal, but it worked. With a little design work, it could probably be pretty good.
@@jorymil Yeah, as long as the seat portion is right, I don't see why the tripod portion couldn't be a drum.
@@jorymil You've taught me something, I didn't know they were called canister thrones. I've been looking at them online now and realized they're functional as hardware cases too. This could be a good business idea especially with, like you said, some design work, could be modernized. If a popular drummer was to start using one, demand would rise from zero. Especially when players realize they match the drums and have more room for graphics or a cool place to put your name or the old initials badge. I'm thinking one way to go about it, is to make it to where you could use the seat of your current favorite throne on it.
Ahead Spinal Glide...the best. Better than Roc-N-Soc IMO.
So true! Great video!
You don't use a throne thumper? have you considered one?
Ived used them in the past and they're nice when I have them
After extensive research, I bought a Roc-N-Soc as a newbie 3 years ago. My drumming still sucks but it ain't the fault of my throne. lol
In my opinion, Buddy Riche's poor posture was because of how he adjusted his drums combined with play traditional grip. He had a lean to the left because of his grip practices... Just my opinion. Fantastic drummer. But i believe he could have been fantastic and comfortable if he had tried to adjust to be more upright.
I've sat on beer kegs, milk crates, cinder blocks, it didn't matter. I have a roc-n-soc the last 4 or 5 years and it works for me.
Oh, I'm with you. I've sat on just about everything while playing lol
My first drum throne was an upside down 5-gallon bucket. lol
Backrest too
I've never been a fan of the back rests for me personally. Alot of players I know use them though
i wouldnt notice the back pain since mine has been out since i was 25..its just another day for me hahaha...BUT yeah one day I might get a new stool. Have a good day.
i've played roc n soc for the better part of 2 decades. my tama first chair stays in the hardware case. the gas shock on the roc n soc is just awesome for those 4 hour shows. i'll never use anything else. i just wish their rubber feet lasted longer.
My rubber feet are still going. I actually used my tama first chair on tour last year because it was already torn up. I figured I'd finish it off by using it for a year on the road haha
@@StephenTaylorDrums fairly certain it's the arizona heat and dry climate that just destroys the rubber. i think i've been through 3 or 4 sets. i guess in almost 20 years that's not too bad :)
All of drumming is ergonomic
Yes. It totally makes sense to have a comfortable throne while drumming. It's just like having comfortable shoes if you are on your feet all day long.
I've had a Sound Percussion cheapo throne from the GC that is over 25 y/o and bullet proof. You don't need to spend all kinds of dough like a roc n soc.
Yep, they’re the best
Pork Pie Drum Throne