This Drum Kit Almost SANK Slingerland
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What do you think about this drum set?
It Sounds fantastic. I had a 73 Black and Silver badge, in purple Sparkle, got it from Steve Maxwell, it also sounded lovely. Left it with a friend in NYC when I returned to the UK. Never returned to US and never saw it or my friend again. All I have to show for it is a 13" tom I brought back. I like to think its out there somewhere, being played regularly.
It sounds great. I remember Slingerland from that Era and a buddy of mine had a 1973 chrome over wood double bass (virgin), and it looked and sounded amazing. DW should really start moving on this line and reintroduce it to the younger drummer's..
They really do sound wonderful. That being said, I had the edges done on my Cloud Badge RK snare. It went from the old vintage sound to a more dynamic vintage sound. I play it often. I also did the edges on my 75 Slingerlands. They can tune up high and sing or down low and they go into beast mode. I am frightened to think of what those drums are capable of if they got a little buzz cut. I think you would create a monster touring drum set.
Yeah thay sound great I like the ones from the early 60’s blue sparkle’s
Butt ugly, pitts or no.
Sound good. Back in '66 I was back and forth between Slinger's and Rogers, Went Rogers because of Swiv-o-matic and loved the sound of the Dyna-Sonic Chrome? Steel?--can't remember although it's probably on the receipt I still have, somewhere. Those things and my man, Dave Clark, yeah, I pounded, no lessons, by ear pounding. Didn't have the 5 bucks a week for lessons and mom said nope, not paying. PO'ed cause I gave up piano after 6 years, essentially '$2 a week for 6 years, down the drain, wasted!', biggest...no, 2nd biggest (exwife, biggest) mistake of my life. She offered me a Hammond B3 and Wurlitzer tone cabinet if I stuck out 4 more years.
Yep, idiot boy, yes I was. So stupid I kept the girl she said was nuts instead of taking the '68 Camaro Rallye Sport convertible she offered me to can her butt. See, told ya, idiot.
May be the best drum documentary on a Slingerland kit in existence. The other one wasn't near this good. Kudos to Stephen and Grant for giving this kit a new life!
Haha! Thanks for the kit Bob!
I am a Slingerland fan.
I have one of these kits, It was called the Concorde, twin 24” bass drums 12” 13” 14” 15” toms, 16” 20” floor toms. Didn’t get the bongos or the snare but it is an amazing sounding kit. The 20” floor Tom is a literal cannon!
I've got that kit!!! The Concorde 11N! I tracked down the bongos from Steve Maxwell. Got some snares too and.. yes, 2 more kits. A 12.14.20 and a 13.16.22. Love these drums!
Hey Stephen, thanks for sitting in with our band in New Orleans last Sunday! What an honor to get to make music with you!
Bro, the honor was all mine!!! I miss the music scene in NOLA...was a breath of fresh air to get to walk the city again for a few days. Thanks for letting me crash your gig!
Years ago I got a copper wood set drums were bass 22"
The toms were
6",8",10,12",13",14",15",
Floor toms were,
16",18",20",
The snare's were 5x14 and 6.5x14 both were TDR snare's.
But the coolest thing was the 6"-14" mounted toms were Slingerland "Cut Away " toms. Talking rare sets
I'd love to see pictures of this kit! I've never seen the 6-14" cut away toms in copper! Still have the snare drums?? Selling?
As a young guy, I grew up, through high school, playing Slingerland Drums (marching, concert and drum sets). I liked the TDR throwoffs, especially on their marching snare drums. Fast forward to college, Slingerland was used for marching percussion - the snare drums were interesting thin maple shells, with a clunky throwoff.
For me, the brand represents nostalgia, and I’m glad that you are enjoying your set!
Cheers! 🍻
I feel like the late 80s and 90s were a weird time for most drum companies. Totally agree, they switched to a weird throw off for a while.
I had a copper over wood TDR snare. I think it was 6.5 x 14 with the TDR strainer. Absolutely great sounding drum and as long as you could protect the copper from oxidyzing it looked feakin' awesome. I bought it in 1973 after seeing the Santa Clara Vanguard drum corps introduce that color and it looked incredibly badass.
Oh man, I can't imagine trying to keep these things from corrosion in a Marching band situation. But honestly, from far away under lights, they look great. Sound killer
Oh!!!! I've only seen a couple pictures of that copper drum line! Would love to have seen that! Late last year I finally found a 12x15 copper 10 lug gut snare! Unbelievable flame maple interior. It sounds soooo great with a clear dot Remo on it. I brought back to life with a NOS gut assembly and some love. My experience is some of these are incredibly pitted but others are just fine... maybe a climate thing, maybe a manufacturing thing. I have some pristine snare drum examples that look like they were made 5 years ago.
I have a Mid-90’s Slingerland Studio King Gregg Bissonette signature kit that was owned by John Luke Hebert of King Diamond. It was actually used to record KD’s Voodoo album. A few years after I bought them from John Luke, Gregg did a clinic in my home town. I brought the kit for him to check out. He was so excited to see it he ended up playing it for part of the clinic and signing the inside of the kit.
I love that kit so much. Not only does it have an amazing story, it’s just one of the best kits I’ve ever heard. I miss Slingerland so much. I hope DW does something good with the name.
I do too. They have too great a legacy to not bring them back properly
I had a 70’s 9 piece Black Chrome Slingerland all concert toms with exception of one floor tom, I miss that kit😊 I don’t miss the hardware though 😁
Absolutley. People can be as nostalgic as they want to be regarding classic drums...The drums sang, but the hardware I grew up was awful. Flimsy, easy to strip threads, etc. I remember when Tama first appeared. Drums wer ok but the stands, etc were tanks. Now pretty much all the hardware is decent.
Did I just see the rare occasion of a left handed drum set up in the US? 😊
(One might wonder why I noticed…)
Love it. Nice vid, thanks Stephen
Ian Paice & Phil Collins, both Englishmen, are the only drummers who readily come to mind using right hand hi-hats with floor toms on the left. My guess is the 'reverse set' might chiefly be an English or European approach/mindset/conceit. I rarely see American drummers playing southpaw kits. What's your theory?
Great job on this video! Interesting story, too ...I didn't know this stuff. I used to love Slingerland drums. Had a simply amazing custom kit made back in '77 at Frank's Drum Shop in Chicago on Wabash. 6, 8, 10, 12, 13, 15, single headed "power" (deep) toms, 18 & 20 floors ...monster 26 x18 kick. A Neil Peart "sort of" kit with a Zeppelin similar-size kick. $2500 back in that day. Black wrap around 5-ply maple shells. All Yamaha hardware drilled into the bare Slingerland shells right there in front of my own eyes. Rims, lugs, mounts, etc. I was 17 back then. Not only was it an awesome experience & much, much fun, but the kit itself sounded off-the-charts. Freakin' amazing. I had a Slingerland "black chrome" (over maple) set before that. THAT was an amazing kit, as well. Is why I went to a Slingerland shell for my custom build. Slingerlands used to be exxxcellent drums. This was a cool video! I remember these well! Thanks for this!
Nice!
Just got my first "vintage" kit! Slingerland chrome over wood 12,13,14,16,20. No rust, pitting, or corrosion! Also a minty chrome over brass snare. Do need to find a nice swiv -o- matic tom holder though.
Awesome! I am a big Slingerland fan. I used to own a chrome over wood kit. I miss that kit
They made some killer shells for sure
Hey Stephen and Grant. So great to see this video and your expert take on the kit. because I OWN ONE THESE!. I bought it when I was 16 and still have it as one of my kits. I still like the sound and glad you guys like the sound also. Happy that, after all these years, mine has non of the corrosion you described. Awesome video - thank you.
If you find one in good condition, the shells are identical to the other kits being made at that time. Glad you've taken solid care of yours
I got a 14”x22” kick back in 1974 copper wrapped over wood Slingerland. Still the beat sounding kick I have ever had and still play it now. It was an error in shipping or the person who bought the kit did not want a double bass kit, whichever I would up with a kick I just love even though it has much patina on it. Have though I may un wrap it and refinish since its maple but so far just left it to be.
As a Slingerland fan since the 1970s, I hereby subscribe! I still have my Rosewood veneer 80N Buddy Rich kit, as seen on the 1979 catalog cover.
Nice!
Such a beautiful awesome gift and to cut it down to just 4 drums does it a disservice
Didn't have enough mics to let you hear it. Check out my latest video. I have the full setup in part of it.
That book looks interesting might have to snag a copy. I used to work at Slingerland in Niles in the late seventies most fun job I ever had!
Very cool!
Slingerland in the 70’s made great drums ! It until the 80’s that Slingerland closed its factory in Niles Illinois . I have a 70’s Slingerland set Chrome over wood that I restored with a 26” bass and DW9000 hardware ! DW bought the rites to Slingerland but failed to bring back the Slingerland brand to its glory !
Agree...they started going downhill late 70s and early 80s
I’m still waiting for DW to release a Slingerland drum.
oh yes, and the kit sounds beautiful
Awesome. I want to see and hear the whole kit.
Yea, I did too. But, not enough heads on hand and not enough mic inputs atm
That looks suspiciously like a John Guerin kit circa '73 Joni Mitchell "Miles of Isles" era. It's too bad about the Metallurgical mishap because that's a killer finish. Great video guys!
IIRC Neil Peart's original Slingerland kit had concert toms with the copper finish, and I think his favorite snare also came in a copper finish originally as well. Crazy stuff! They sound amazing. Also, I laughed a little when you were playing the kit with Bob's caricature on the bass drum head and it looked like he was headbanging as you were playing 😅
We noticed that too on the bass drum head hahaha
Yes. Neil got them at the Percussion Center in Fort Wayne, Indiana. I was fun cleaning them.
Yes, Peart called the snare "The Old Faithful" and it wasn't even a Radio King Solid Model. It had several finishes throughout the years...
@@HuckFinn212 Yep. I believe up to the Counterparts tour.
I would assume that the drum kit that sank Slingerland was when they started making drums out of compressed cardboard. Dumb.
Beautiful set.
Kit sounds Great to Me!
Very awesome!
🤘🏻
I love these Copper Slingerlands. I have just about all sizes. 6 snares as well that are a mix of 3 ply with re-rings and 5 ply depending on era. They were in fact made over many years in the 70's, serial numbers and hardware tell the tale. I have an early copper 12.14.20 kit that may indeed predate the catalog release by 3 years! - I'll save everyone all the details but it all rings true to 1970.. But wow, I love these drums. Controlled solid tones! Looking for the canister throne!! Seen pictures of one that seems to live in Canada. Original pictures from 1970's Calgary band and maybe now lives in Toronto - Gibby L please sell it to me!!
That copper finish gives it a Bonham vibe.
Sounds awesome.
A real vintage look,pity the copper oxidised.
love your rant stephen
I had a set just like this one that I bought in 1970's. The copper did exactly like the second tom you showed. Considerable tarnishing and pitting. The set sounded fine and at the time my favorite drummer Phil Ehart was endorsing them. But the shells looked terrible after a few years, so I ended up getting rid of them and buying a Pearl World Series (which sounded great but had a similar problem as the Slingerland set, it was white and had been in fluorescent lighting that yellowed the toms).
I like that sound.
Thanks for this. I pretty much had this set, except the toms were all double headed, and the bass was 28". The copper was completely pitted. Refinished everything in white pearl. The 18" tom is now a bass drum. I gig with it as a 4 piece. Sounds great.
A lot of cats wind up just refinishing them. They sound too good not to
“The Bob” absolutely SLINGS!! Sounded so good on this weeks Live Call! 🥁🙌🏼
Yes!
I love 26×14 for kick bass,love bonham
Very cool video-Doc. 👍🏼
I absolutely LOVE the slingerland copper over wood kits. Bill Ward of Black Sabbath used the floor toms of this series in his performance with the band at California jam.
I bought one of these drum sets at a thrift store about ten years ago. It has 10, 12, 13, and 14 inch concert toms and an 18” floor tom. The bass drum is a 26”. The real interesting piece is the snare drum…6.5x14” but the batter side has 12 lugs and the resonant side has 6 lugs. I mainly just use the snare drum and occasionally the bass drum. All the drums are pretty corroded, but I don’t mind it so much anymore…gives it some character…but I also didn’t buy it new.
I've heard about those snares. Interesting. Yea, these copper ones are just kind of an anomaly. Pretty sure you got a good deal at the thrift store. They still go for between $1-2k depending on setup and the shape they're in
About ten years ago, Taye drums (Ray Ayotte’s Chinese manufactured drums he worked on after selling Ayotte Drums) released copper and other metal wrapped wood drums. They also released “octoplus”-like configurations and concert tom kits. Taye. I think they’re defunct now.
When pristine these look glorious.
Honestly, once you get it under the lights, you don't see the blemishes and it looks great. But close up some of them get rough haha
this drummer could make any drum sound great lol
Thanks!
Neil Peart used the Concert Tom's in the Copper Finish. They were added to his original Slingerland kit and can be seen on the cover of "All The World's A Stage," live album. They modified the photo a bit, so the Copper and the Chrome on the main kit, blended better.
I love Slingerlands, especially the pre 80's stuff! Thanks for doing this video. I play a natural maple finish Slingerland set. I love that copper finish. It's a shame the corrosion became a problem. The 3-ply shells with re-rings have a particular sound that many like!
Yea. They do. Good thing is, if they're corroded too bad, you can just strip the copper wrapping off and rewrap them without affecting the sound
I actually have half of this Concorde kit! I even made a video about it several months ago. The finish looks terrible on mine but it still sounds great. Thanks for the great video, guys!
Honestly, I was comparing the shells to other slingerlands I have yesterday. They're the same construction. Only difference is the wrap
@@StephenTaylorDrums yup! I did some nerdy research on those and they’re mostly 3 ply maple-poplar-mahogany from that era, with maple reinforcement rings.
awesome kit 🤘
My first new kit was a 1974 Slingerland 5 piece in natural wood (I'm old) which I bought from The Drum Shop in downtown Detroit. Natural wood was the cheapest finish - all the wraps were more expensive. It was the worst set of drums I've ever owned. When the tom shells were set on a glass plate they would all wobble like a drunken sailor - just terrible edges. The stain was uneven and looked like it was finished by a blind man. They sounded like playing cardboard boxes. The COB snare, though, was a beauty. I trashed the rest of the set but still own and occasionally use the snare. It's sad but not surprising that Slingerland went out of business.
Also, occasionally watch your videos and still learning from them. Thank you!
They really started going to crap with QC seems like after the early 70s. Just a shot in the dark as to if you'd get a decent kit. Shame
Nigel Olsen (Elton John’s drummer) played the Slingerland Concord kit. Don’t remember if it was copper or chrome though.
Bought a kit like this for $250. Best sounding kit I ever owned. The wrap was completely shot however/ corroded-tarnished. It consisted of a 24” bass, 13 and 14 toms, and an 18” floor tom. Still miss that kit!
Yea, they sound great. Just look like they have a virus haha
This kit sounds amazing. Come to think of it, pretty much everything I’ve heard from Slingerland from this era sounds great. They are for some reason less sought-after than Ludwig or Rogers, but if I was looking for a vintage kit without breaking the bank I would play Slingies all day.
Once you accept that COLOR SELLS DRUMS nothing will strike you as 'odd'. 'SELLING' was really the name of the Game!! I have owned and played Slingerland drums for close to 50 years and you can really appreciate them when they are played softly; hitting them that hard really doesn't give you a sense of their overall musicality. As they say..."Rock on Dude!..."
please do a follow up video playing the entire kit!
I loved the copper finish...almost got one off E-Bay around 2008. And I almost bought a new Taye kit with the copper finish...but got the silver sparkle instead. I just always liked the look of the copper finish. Only seen one that had the problem of going bad. And it was dur to the drummer spitting lemon and lime slices up in the air and they would fall on the kit. He also never mde any attempt to clean them. The chrome was also nasty. He said it gave them characture. Yeah I think the shots had burned his brain up.
Ha! Honestly, under the lights, you can't tell unless the corrosion is extreme
Those would look amazing if you could figure out how to get the copper to oxidize green and then remove some to make a burst finish.
one of my fave (desert island disc)albums is "Another Kind of Blues" by The UK SUBS and I'm pretty sure that Pete Davies played a very similar kit, maybe the same, as soon as as saw this vid I immediately thought this. I can hear it here.
I've always wondered about Chicago Drum Company. They claim to be the same Slingerland factory. So is the sound and quality the same? I've seen there ads back in the good ole days of Modern Drummer being in print. I never have seen or heard one in person. I think you should buy a set and do a comparison video.😊
Wouldn't want to polish them, but they sound pretty darn good.
Sounds great and looks great!
It really doesn't look bad under lights from far away
now that sounds good!
I had a copper set with wood snare
I've always wondered about Chicago Drum Company. They claim to be the same Slingerland factory. So is the sound and quality the same? I've seen there ads back in the good ole days of Modern Drummer being in print. I never have seen or heard one in person. I think you should by a set and do a comparison video.😊
The drums sound good. I think the Copper is super cool. Come to think of it, I’ve never seen a copper finished kit before this.
And I think, with the issues these have, we know why lol
😍😍😍😍 I love big kits, I love concert toms, and I love copper..... Trifecta for me. I also like patina, so I don't necessarily mind the rust .....and you didnt set up the whole thing???? 😮💨😵💫
That box of drums was like a clown car!
Love it!
I see that the drums have reinforcement rings. I always thought that the Tom mount on the bass drum was introduced when the 5 ply shell was introduced. Learn something new everyday
I've delved into vintage drums the last two years and if I've learned anything...QC during certain periods of high demand or transition is just really unpredictable.
Don't forget that Neil Peart's early Slingerland concert toms had the copper finish.
They did indeed
Would have liked to hear all the toms!
Johnny Stanton making an appearance! Sweet! More on the Steel Woods, please!
Love ol Johnny
really amazing looking kit. So cool..I have a question as a NOOB "drummer". I say drummer in quotations because i never call myself a drummer. I just say I make noise. SO having that out the way. I dont mic my kit. I simply dont have the money,knowledge and i guess "need" for it. BUT my question is, how does this kit sound just recorded with a phone? or webcam? or other lesser quality means? Do most kits just sound similar? THEN when you mic them can you change the way everything sounds from there?? Thanks for any information you care to share..
First off, I need you to start calling yourself a drummer. This is a really important identity shift that we are actually seeking when we start playing the drums. To Call yourself a drummer, you simply need to regularly play the drums. That's it. So you're a drummer.
Different devices sound different when recording a drum set. Phone recording audio is typically pretty harsh and favors thw high end of the sound spectrum. The room you are in has a lot to do with it as well. I have found that a good way to record the drums with decent audio straight to a camera is by using a go pro. They have some compression that the go pro adds that make the drums sound OK. If you mic them and record, yes, there are whole softwares (pro tools, etc) that allow you to massage and tweak the drum sounds to be better.
@@StephenTaylorDrums Well i thank you for putting me in the class of drummer. I know i feel less than for sure. BUT I got my kit to have fun,not be perfect and thats what i do..So thank you..AND thanks for explaining a bit about the mic topic. My goal is to one day find a cymbal or cymbals that sound in person like I hear on the radio/tv/and in live bands..One day im taking a trip to Forks in Nashville. IF i can brave the Nashville traffic lol..Thanks man..
the difference the rings on the drums make
Those toms sound sooo good
Agree...under a mic they sound big and juicy
Thanks for the video
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*HAD TO HIT THE **_"LIKE ICON,"_** QUICK, FAST AND IN A HURRY!!*
Seeing as how that number was *_"666...",_* I figured, maybe better not to temp the fate of that number, AND *_"THE SHED!!"_* 👿
*ANYWAY KEEP ON KEEPING ON BROTHER AND SISTER **_DRUMMERS!!!!!_* 😎🤘🏼
Lol
Sounds short and thick. Works well.
I love the copper finish but would hate if it rusted. 😂 great video guys.
Thanks!
Knew the student who sent this kit to Stephen would be Bob.
Uhh, I bought a 1973 set of Slingerlands in antique copper. It tarnished out in six monthes. Ohh and the sounded as bad as the chrome set. I called them and they replaced all the shells!! They told me keep the old shells.I got just wood mahogany stain. Uhh I still have them. Great sounding set. Uhh Slingerland had kind of a bad image. They were excellent quality and sounded great but were seen as grandpa,s drums because all the endorsees were 40,s big band drummers.
I had a chrome metal covered Ludwig kit with a 24" bass drum. I got rid of it because it was so damn heavy. I regret that let me tell you.
Slingerland drum 💕
I think Rob Cook deserves a mention for authoring the Slingerland book.
For sure...his name is on the cover of the book at the beginning of the video. Great resource
Would like to hear the entire kit.
Just didn't have enough heads and inputs
@@StephenTaylorDrums oh yeah I completely understand! What you had, had a very nice resonance and sound quality to them. It’s just too bad they didn’t have their game down with the use of copper because that kit would have definitely put them on the map like DW and Pearl for live show performances and studio work.
Hope we get to hear the full kit at some point. I be willing to bet you’re even a little excited to play the entire kit as well.
Wild, last night i saw a rockabilly band with like near 100 year old slingerland kit
Man, some of the ol Slingdogs sound incredible.
One of my great life regrets is not snapping up a copper kit to match my 60’s chrome kit. Slingerland always!
Just sold a Chrome over wood Slingdog snare drum. 1960s I believe it was
@@StephenTaylorDrums I love my COW 60’s set. One day I hope to find a matching 26” kick…24 is cool but 26 is cooler!
ummmmmmmmm that kit is incredible
We're gonna keep her around for sure haha
Was that dude's mustache real? Good sounding kit by the way.
Oh, it most definitely is. His stache game is STRONG
Hi Stephen i got problems playing with metronome can you show me some tips thanks
Very nice. 👍👍👍
🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I play a 1963 Slingerland, and they really sing. That's why I don't understand the low tuning. There's no tone. Just flat, thuddy drums. I'd love to hear them tuned up and hear some decay and a slcrisp snare drum.
Whats best to clean this copper with ?
Stick saver hoops?? Chrome over brass? If so, those are killer!
Yea, stick saver hoop on that floor tom. Never messed with them.
Hoops are chrome on steel.
What's wrong with a coated head on the reso side?
What kind of tom mics are you using?
Sounds killer! Looks ridiculous...lyyy awesome!!! Minus the black garbage all over one of them. Funny, Neil Peart's original #1 Slingerland snare that he played for almost two decades was an old Artist with that same copper wrap. I wonder if your snare is too? They're extremely hard to find on their own these days. Now I know why hahaha!
The blemishes don't look that bad under lights actually. From far away they blend in with all of the reflections
@@StephenTaylorDrums Oh that’s good then at least!
I had that exact kit new in 1973....I hated that kit!! It sounded like crap and after 3 or 4 moths is started looking like shit! The copper got weird spots and in the studio it was a constant struggle to get the ring out! Hated it and had a hard time getting rid of them! You can see all the spots on the ones as you unpack them
Oh, for sure. The corrosion is the reason they stopped making them. Some kits just require more maintenance when it comes to getting sounds right. But I'll agree with you, total fail on slingerlands part for making a kit that is long lasting ans looks good
Nice .. wife said drums or her..loll..going to miss her.
Stephens attemp at Dankpods/The drum thing
No, just trying to find an entertaining way to present this material
Fair enough also love your content :)@@StephenTaylorDrums
I don't remember what year Gibson bought them, but that was pretty much the end of Slingerland.
Yea, shame too. When Bud left seems like QC just went to the crapper.
DW bought the rights to Slingerland about a year ago, just before “merging” with Roland.
@777stroke Yep. And the "drumming community" waits with baited breath. Or not. If they're planning on reassuring the brand it makes sense that it's going to take some time. Or DW bought it to prevent anyone else from reviving it. Kind of like Starbucks killing every other coffee shop around.
Shame it doesn't age with that green copper patina
And PLEASE don't add saturation to that kick drum. It sounds awesome in it's natural state👍✌
We didn't add anything to the mix. Literally exported what was captured on the mics. Whatever you're hearing was just what the mic heard. I would tell you if we cleaned anything up. But on this one, I didn't send it off to a mix engineer. Just exported what the mics heard. Hope that helps!
@@StephenTaylorDrums Yup. And it shows too. Thanks👍
Did I miss it? I watch the video twice and never did hear the verdict. Why did the company tank in ‘73?
Anything I say would be guesses. But judging from what I saw, it would be the power struggle, change in leadership, and release of one of their flagship innovations that tanked and had to be pulled from the market. They didn't survive very long after this time period.
Too bad you don't have the the double headed toms, they're incredibly resonant.
I actually do have some of those from another copper kit I recently got. I'm gonna keep a few of both just to have them