What Happened to Emma when Joseph Smith Died?
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Emma Smith is one of the most important and stalwart members of the early church. How was she involved in the restoration? Did she endure to the end? What is Emma’s story? We answer all these questions and more in this episode.
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Emma also cared for Joseph's elderly mother who was one of Emma's greatest fans. I think Lucy's needs must have been part of her decision about not traveling west.
On my mission 16 years ago I went to a fireside with Joseph's first descendant to hold the Melchizedek priesthood. It was a neat presentation on family history. But he mentioned that all his life the first presidency had kept an eye on him, and that a few years prior they told him it was time to start traveling around giving these fireside about his family, family history in general, and "defending Emma's good name."
Wow, that wouldve been interesting! Josephs first descendant ro receive the Melchezidek priesthood..after all this time..am happy for him, hope hes doing well
Just look at the picture of Emma, in later years. Just the expression in her eyes clearly emanates a traumatized and severely depressed woman. She was broken, but her testimony remained.
She left the church though? Went out and married another man and tried to move past the trauma endured from the early church
@@crackshot_cashew9385 She did but she NEVER denied anything that was put in place by the Savior in restoring the church. She felt the gold plates and this is because the outliers would of raped and killed her if she had seen them.
Emma Smith is one of the strongest and most valiant woman that I have read about. She suffered and gave so much. The Plural marriage must have been so hurtful to her. From what I understand, Joseph didn't practice plural marriage like the saints later did--living with all wives and having kids with them. But he was sealed to a lot of women. I would have been crushed by half the things she endured. That poor woman never had a moments peace. God bless you Emma. You inspire me.
If you truly believe she was valiant and faithful, then why not just believe her that she never saw the supposed revelation on plural marriage, never threw it in the fire, and that Joseph never married any other women but her? Both her and Joseph denied any involvement with polygamy to their deaths.
Hahahaha. Really? Helen Mar Kimball, Joseph’s youngest plural wife, said that being sealed to him was not just ceremonial.
@@ningenJMK sure she said that. Doesn’t mean it was true. Who was she married to at the time she said it and how many years after Joseph died? What incentive did she have to claim she was married to Joseph? Dig deeper.
Thankyou so much for your insights and presentation on Emma. If l had to pass through a fraction of the trials and hardships she had to pass through l am sure it would have crushed me. I would have to say the same about Joseph as well. She may not have got everything right but who does ? I certainly don't. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone said the Saviour. I am sure she is happy and at peace now with Joseph. I feel a warm peaceful feeling saying this.
God bless. Keep up the good work.
I believe Joseph Smith is in Hell and I certainly hope Emma is not.
@Aaron J please do more research on what morons believe before attacking them
Joseph ♥️ Fanny Alger...
Emma also was the caretaker for Joseph's mother who was too fragile she felt to make the trip west.
She wouldn’t have followed
Brigham to the West. Not with the doctrine he preached. th-cam.com/video/F5heXE5xS5w/w-d-xo.html
No one knew Joseph Smith better than Emma.
Not only did Emma refuse to follow her husband's church to Utah, but she and Joseph's boys stayed and created, with others,
the RLDS (Reorganized Latter-Day Saints)...now, the Community of Christ with Joseph's son as it's first Prophet, Seer and Revelator. This speaks volumes as to where Emma's loyalty stood.
@@daveyjones9930 because she knew Brigham and the Twelve had wrested away control of the church and were preaching an entirely different gospel.
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Yes, I agree. I'm sure there were several reasons for Emma's disaffection.
Another logical item was the fact that Joseph LIED to her about his polygamous trysts---the FIRST THING she insisted on eliminating from her new RLDS church theology....polygamy.
She also seemed to blame Brigham for LDS polygamy rather than her husband.
It's too bad that Emma didn't become the First prophetess of the Restoration instead of Joseph.
Mormonism would have been a much better religion, IMO.
NOT TRUE...just better!
There are several excuses the LDS church has come up with to attempt to counter the FACT that Emma refused to go to Utah.
Regardless of what Emma said, or what the LDS church SAYS she said, her *ACTIONS* reveal what she truly believed and felt.
Emma creating a competitive church, says it ALL!
Again, i thank our HEAVENLY FATHER & our BELOVED HEAVENLY MOTHER, for the Restoration of the TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, back on Earth. I thank our Elder Bro. JESUS & His obedient to our HEAVENLY PARENT'S, concerning the Greatest Plan of Salvation.
This woman went thru so much in her marriage and in the foundation of the church..... She was a very intelligent woman ....Did she truly get the remembrance she deserved?
Thank you very much for captioning the videos! I enjoyed it very much with those great historical insights. Continue to carry on!
Emma Smiths amazing..she's become one of my go to's & one of my heros too. My heart goes out to her & Joseph, so relieved for them that they have eternity together, they so deserve it.
If you think so highly of them, you should simply believe both of them at their word. Every contemporaneous account shows unequivocally that they denied any involvement in polygamy to their deaths. All accusations against them came after the fact by practicing polygamists and others believed these accounts rather than those of Joseph, Emma, Hyrum, and the entire Smith family.
After being apart of the mid west Mormon community for 20 years I decided to start a new journey in life however I still reach out to this couple for inspiration when I need a push... Thank you for your research your definitely one smart Woman... Love you all soul tribe keep going your not alone...
We sometimes forget that at the time the Saints left for Utah , Hyrums wife Mary had teenage sons . Emma had small sons and cared for an ailing Lucy Mack Smith. Emma also had the animosity of Brigham Young and other LDS leaders to activly deal with. The trip would have so much harder for Emma than it was for Mary.
Emma was wonderful and Joseph put up with so much in his short life..thx
Well he has like 36 wives so he had do a lot.
@@Sirach144 you either are a LIAR or believe lies!!
@@59Alaskan how is he a liar?
He didn’t tell Emma about all of his polygamous relationships
Thank you very much for the video and now l understand what LDS is. I've been a member of the church for about 45 years and l need to learn more about the church's doctrine.
I agree with you and enjoyed your presentation. The dream/vision Emma had about a week before her death is worth a read too. Thank you Hanna!
A rather generous representation of Emma who indeed supported the Lord and His Prophet Joseph during the restoration. However, there are many accounts in the scriptures of even sons or prophets who chose at the end not to follow the Lord, even after the miracles in their life and the great example of the family member. If Emma understood revelation that made possible the translation of the Book of Mormon, the restoration of the priesthood, and restoration of the church; How is it possible she supported the starting of a "new" church and pushing her son as a Prophets? I don't doubt her testimony, but something may have gone wrong after Joseph's death. God's judgment is His and only His. It is for us who are still on this side of the veil to avoid "sugar-coating" the mistakes and remember no matter how wonderful we may have done at some point in our lives, the commandment "enduring to the end" is an eternal principle. We all loved the Father in the preexistence but at the end of that stage in our eternity, when war broke up, one-third did not endure to the end, into this mortal stage, the same will happen into our next stage. To me, when I think of Emma, my mind thinks on "don't let your guard down, it has happened to the best of us, endure to the end".
The only negative thought I have had about Emma is her thinking that their son was intitled to the Lord's Church Leadership Apostle Authority. Which she and those who stayed and supported her have since learned was not correct..
Great insight and discussion! I've always had a place in my heart for the special times and moments that joseph and emma were able to share together. Moments that we completly take for granted every day! None should or would judge her harshly if they knew the facts. Loved this video!
She tried to poison Joseph twice and caught him cheating, and had to throw Said women out of her house. I don't think they had a great relationship.
Until we stop accusing both her and Joseph of lying, we won’t be honoring them. I recommend this video th-cam.com/video/F5heXE5xS5w/w-d-xo.html
@@joshywash911 according to Brigham she did. I call BS.
Emma lived as best she could. When I lived in SLC, many spoke ill of her. Judgement belongs to our Savior. He fully comprehends all things. I know many members who have sinned grievously and were forgiven. Judge not.
Vince.
If your opinion is supported by the LDS church, you should recommend to them that they should set the example by getting rid of their phony, Star Chamber exercise called "Courts of Love" (Excommunications).
I.E, Monkey Trials.
I.E., Kangaroo Courts.
Seems a bit hypocritical, doncha think?
Judge not, right?
Jesus said his "church" was made FOR SINNERS, (the sick, not the well). He also said that all, *ALL* have sinned and come short.
If Jesus is the ultimate Judge, who is it that "forgave" all those grievous sinners you speak of?
AND...how do you KNOW they were "forgiven"?
Do you have a hotline to Jesus not available to the rest of us?
Strongly disagree. My family (LDS followers) speak with great respect in regards to Emma Smith. She is regarded as a great women.
@@vikingraymond SLC is large as you know. The folks I worked with were not kind to her. I'm glad your family is kind.
@@vincep137
Emma, putting up with Joseph's plural dalliances, made her a great woman by it'self. Adding to that was her refusal to go to Utah with her husbands church. She was no dummy. Add to that even, the fact that she and her boys (Joe's boys) along with others formed her OWN church, "The Reorganized Church of LDS" (now Community of Christ).
What else are "LDS followers" going to say about Emma, other than some positive things? Brigham Young didn't think much of her. But, in that instance, one must consider the source!
She was a great woman...but NOT a great follower of her husband's church and it's Plural Marriage nonsense!
@@vincep137
Is leaving out and ignoring important facts about Emma, being KIND to her?
I suppose it is...but, at the same time it's also dishonest.
It's funny Rod Meldrum called Emma and Martin and David liars when they said Joseph sometimes used a Seer Stone in a hat in the Book of Mormon translation, but you used a painting in this video shows exactly that. The Book of Mormon is true and I see no problem with him translating with the Urim and Thummim sometimes and with the Seer Stone at other times.
I will always and forever, thank our HEAVENLY FATHER and our BELOVED HEAVENLY MOTHER, for the Restoration of the TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS back on Earth.
The TRUE church of christ.... The one that only .02% of the worlds current population are members of. So the other 99.98 percent are condemned unless someone does thier temple work for them. They won't be sealed to thier spouse or children and will be stuck in a lower degree of glory because they were not born into the right situation and or didn't agree to talk to 18 year olds about religion..... Please don't say it's the only true church. Christ said he is the way only through christ can we be saved. The religious organisation doesn't matter. God loves everyone regardless of religion, race, gender.
The final analysis of the Emma and Joseph Smith story will be determined by Jesus Christ at the Final Judgement. Love them; hate them. It doesn't really matter. We are commanded to forgive all mankind. Jesus Christ will forgive whom he will forgive. I have no more input or concern about who did what in the 1800's. Let's all give them both a break!
This is the best comment. It's not for us to judge. Just to live our lives.
You might check the interview of Emma Smith Bidamon by her oldest son, Joseph Smith, III. She spoke and answered questions on plural marriage directly. If you research more about her life with her second husband Lewis Bidamon, she did deal with an unfaithful husband in her second husband.
Again, couldn't thank HEAVENLY FATHER, BELOVED HEAVENLY MOTHER, for Elder Bro. Jesus, & his obedient, to our HEAVENLY PARENT'S concerning the Greatest Plan of Salvation.
I’m confused. Where is the information on Emma Smith and her involvement in the reformed LDS church?
I love this information. Thank you for sharing!
In 1823, 17-year-old Joseph Smith was visited by the angel Moroni, who declared that “[Joseph’s] name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people” (JS-History 1:33). It's very clear that this is the case.
I enjoyed your presentation, Thanks Hannah
I wished it had been mentioned that Emma as well as Joseph and Hyrum adamantly denied ever having lived polygamy at any time in their lives. As well, not one child other than Emma's children were ever born of any woman from Joseph. Since he is accused of having as many as 40 plural wives, this doesn't make sense and requires that Joseph as well as Emma lied about polygamy--something I just can't accept about any of their characters.
The truth is finally coming out about the Brighamites re-writing of the history to falsely claim Joseph practiced polygamy. Brigham was highly influential, and spared no effort in establishing the generally accepted narrative. Thank you for helping to raise awareness.
People, infants, died early and often back then. I don't blame people for being religious a lot.
Emma and Brigham did not have a good relationship. She strongly distrusted that man, as well as other church leaders who were pushing for polygamy. That's why she didn't go with him to Utah. It's very well documented.
Yes. I'd suggest the book "The exoneration of Joseph and Emma". Neither Joseph nor Emma ever promoted polygamy. Joseph's only wife was Emma. Even if Emma didn't have the responsibility of young children and an elderly mother in law, she would not have gone to Utah.
Thank you for this excellent info and presentation!
There is a lot left out of this explanation of Emma’s life. You mentioned that the lack of people in Navu was what caused her to be poor for the rest of her life. That is simply not true. It was in large part Brigham Young’s fault for taking most of the assets and leaving her with all of the church debts. It wasn’t paid off until she was almost on her deathbed. She is reported as apologizing to her son for having been in poverty, most of his life due to these debts. You also claimed that she did not leave her thoughts on polygamy when that is grossly false. She left at least four interviews or writings about her feelings, as well as the many rebottles during Joseph and Emma’s lifetime.
Again, i couldn't thank our HEAVENLY FATHER and our BELOVED HEAVENLY MOTHER, for the Restoration of the TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, back on Earth.
Excellently done. Thank you for all the work you surely put into making this fine and informative video. Have you heard of a small booklet about Emma called "Judge Me Dear Reader"? I believe it was printed at the end of the 70's or early 80's and written by a mission president of the KC Missouri mission. I don't recall much else about it but I would like to see it again and I would dearly appreciate any information on obtaining a copy if you know of it. Again, thank you for this video.
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You might want rename this to What happened to Emma after Joseph Died, please listen from 9 minutes for that.
@Aaron J Clearly you did enough to comment
@Aaron J Did that make you feel good?
@Aaron J lololololol - You crack on for all the good it does you
@Aaron J lolololol - I am perfectly fine with whatever you say, it seems you are more concerned than I am, and I suspect you are
someone who professes to be a Christian, yet your rhetoric tells a very different story
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I think you need to do more research. As a member of the RLDS church, we know that Emma was vehemently opposed to plural marriage and was only one reason she would not, not just "had no desire", follow Brigham Young west.
Facts? How are the Revelations for Emma more tender? especially when he is threatening her destruction in d&c 132
Emma's father hated Joseph and when he found out they eloped he said he rather Emma had died. Joseph, his father and brother were heavy involved in treasure digging and it was very much frowned upon by the more educated in the community. After the elopement Joseph promised Father Hales he would give it all up. So much more to this story when you dare to read other contemporary writings.
Mr Joe Smith 1830 - 1844 1st president of the Mormon church married 33
women, and teenage girls 11 women had husbands. J.S Adultery..
@@thomaspearson1919
King David had 2000 concubines
@@gilbertozuniga8063 True but God did not approve of this, so the Mormons said if he could do it why can't we do it..
Anyone have anymore information about the ordinance mentioned above as "that too most holy"?
It's the sealing ordinance.
Emma married a man called Bidamon, a Methodist they lived in the Red House in Nauvoo, Missouri.
Right on. She was probably like, so. My blessed late husband married lots of women.
Nauvoo is in Illinois
@@dianamoss159 Yes your right, thanks
@Richard SPARKS Money is the corruption in every church. Every religion tries to decipher the old testament and new testament, to try and reveal when God Almighty will appear on this earth. Joseph Smith and his co-conspirators plagiarised the bom from multiple literary sources.
@Richard SPARKS Thank you for asking a question. You will find in your search for truth that a disaffected person will tell you some truths combined with some twisted information. I have dear friends who are Catholic and are good people, but if someone who was anti-Catholic told me Catholics believed in abusing young boys with their priests I would be smart enough to ask my friends who actually follow the faith what their true beliefs are. This video uses some truths and inserts erroneous parts as well and then displays things in a twisted way, (this is too short a venue to address them all). I suggest that if you ever want to know the truth about what members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe you will want to ask some members who follow the faith, rather than someone who is disaffected or anti. And ultimately when you search and learn it will be up to you to seek to know God's will for you through sincere prayer and a desire to know the truth for yourself. God will not lie to you and He is the ultimate person to help you find the truth. Best regards and good luck in your search. :)
Emma appositized from the church. She started the RLDS church.
Wrong.
@@christysatfield8302 right her son was their first prophet
Emma Smith was neither an apostate nor did she establish the RLDS church. Is that what the Community of Christ believes?
@@christysatfield8302 you can tell yourself what ever. Fact. Emma didn't go with the Saints out west. She thought Brigham Young should not take over the church. Fact her son Joseph Smith 3rd with the help of his mother established the RLDS church. Fact. She condemned Utah Mormons. Fact. Brigham Young called her appostate
@@LibertarianUSA1982 you’re right.
I forever thank GOD the FATHER, & HIS WIFE, GODDESS, our beloved HOLY Eternal MOTHER, for your Podcast Sister.
Thank you!
Your respect and statements for and about Emma is gratefully received. My immediate reaction to your truths shared appreciation of Emma immediately leads me to ask WHY DO CHURCH MEMBERS SPEAK SO UNFAVORABLY, CRITICALLY AND UNKINDLY OF EMMA???? Many saints should be ashamed.
Excellent presentation. Didn't Emma also take care of Joseph's mother Lucy who was not fit for travel West?
Lucy Mack did not want to travel west.
Lucy smith had no desire to go to Utah. Brigham was no friend of the smith family. He seized power and headed west.
I heard that too. I just know Emma was a good person and maybe she was unwell and not able to make the trip. I mean, I have a temple marriage and am quite active, but I could not be in Church for a few years due to health reasons beyond my control. I definitely was not inactive nor apostate, so I tend to think positively of her same as you seem to by saying this. Nice comment. Have a lovely day.
Emma was finally liberated of joseph smith's perversions!
Interesting how Emma is now being redeemed. Growing up, I rarely heard a kind word spoken about her in SLC. Brigham cast a long shadow.
Very good history about Emma's life with Joseph Smith
One day instead of just being respected, I hope both her and Joseph will be exonerated from what they are accused of. Here is a video of what I mean. th-cam.com/video/F5heXE5xS5w/w-d-xo.html
She supported a reorganized church? Isn’t that apostasy?
@@pianogal5942 depends on how you look at it. Our church and Brigham Young changed the doctrine of Christ to make a practice of multiple wives part of the everlasting covenant. Isn’t that apostasy? You may find this video interesting th-cam.com/video/F5heXE5xS5w/w-d-xo.html
I never heard anything derogatory about her. It is the Lord's job to judge her, no one else's. Everyone needs to be more worried about their own judgement rather than wasting their time worrying about someone else's. I also realize that lots of folks who comment on these sites are trolling.
What about his other 30 wives? Some as young as 14? The Church never seems to talk about this in their meetings?
Yes they have go to there website and it talks about ut
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@@ibig3 I find the evidence in this video (th-cam.com/video/F5heXE5xS5w/w-d-xo.html) much closer to the truth than Brian Hales’ apologetic cherry picking view of our history. Perhaps the true story has not yet been told
by either enemies of the church or the church itself...
Since you ask...they are doing good waiting in paradise for their resurrection to eternities without end.
Awesome thank you for that insight
Very well done… Thank you. Some of it is hard to hear with the trials and tribulations of Emma and Joseph, her husband! Their children also!
Joseph and Emma were partners in the con of Mormonism. Joseph met Emma while engaged in the illegal con of scrying for buried treasure... Emma was an active participant and benefitted financially and socially why engaged in the business of the Mormon profit. After Joseph was killed by members of his "church", Emma was cheated financially and condemned by Brigham Young... she left the church and married a Methodist... she denied to her last day that her dead husband Joe ever practiced polygamy.
Lovely, thank you 🙏
I have always had a bad taste in my mouth by the way she was treated by Brigham Young before and after Joesph Smith passed.
How would supporting another church count as “cleaving unto her covenants”? There’s plenty to admire about her life, but I think it dangerous to say that’s permissible
Information available now was not available back then. Brigham Young as the rightful successor to Joseph Smith wasn't exactly as crystal clear as we might think. With more time, it is easier to see that the "other church" doesn't support many of the central doctrines that us LDS embrace (baptism for the dead, plural marriage)
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These are great. Thanks
I listened to you until to addressed "plural marriage"...
I was just thinking about the color of your hair for many minutes. I lost that time , LOL
I call her “Saint Emma”!
She had a kid , got remarried , and that kid started the Reformed Latter Day Saints ... which DID NOT practice polygamy .
Main stream mormons don't talk about it , that's pretty much it.
Yup one more time the Hollywood version of Mormonism that we all already know. Why not talking about all others Joseph Smith wife's?
@@walterfernandes2014 What wives ? Who did he walk down the Isle ?
@@Mk101T all of those that he got sealed with starting with that 16 years old chick and move on to all the rest of them, they should be something between 30 to 40 women's
@@walterfernandes2014 Hence my question ... who did he publicly walk down the isle with to be joined by someone deemed to have the power of marriage ? (who presided over the marriage ?)
I'm not saying he did not con women into bed by saying he was getting sealed to them for celestial marriage. I'm saying what public records indicate he got married beyond Emma ?
@@Mk101T The discrepancy is created by the lack of documents to support some of the alleged marriages. As Compton has stated, for many of these marriages, "absolutely nothing is known of [the] marriage after the ceremony."[9] Apart from his marriage to Emma, Smith's marriages were not solemnized under any civil authority and were therefore solely religious unions.
This video is misnamed. There is actually very little about what happened to Emma after the death of Joseph Smith. She always was bitterly opposed to to Plural Marriage and after the death of Joseph, denied it. The fact that she later married a non - Mormon is surely a matter of concern. The poor woman got a raw deal in life.
oh ya, and when she voiced her feelings against it joseph would go tell her that god comanded he do it or he would die, and his blood would be on her hands. 1) thats not free will 2) thats manipulation
@@LitleLuci : I hope that you are not suggesting that Joseph Smith was a manipulative individual who fooled his wife; his family; his Church and stills deceives millions today.
Is this a pro lds page
don't look at is as pro , anti. But rather true or false.
@@aaronwebb7821 Riiiiiiiiight.......... that is not an answer
The answer is yes, because she starts off by obfuscating truth. So, yes it is pro-LDS.
@@DavidNellTheHarbinger not the answer you wanted.
@@carlduffin it's good to hear bolth sides especially if you've heard or known only what was considered to be just the thing ya did on Sunday like everyone else in the neighborhood
I believe in your earnestness but much of what is used to support Joseph as a polygamist is forged or interpreted as a support of polygamy. I am not personally offended by polygamy but I have come to this truth with study. D&C132 was penned by Brigham who was a long-term supporter of the spiritual wifery movement, as you mentioned. This movement went beyond polygamy and into various other perversions between people who were not married. Do not take my word for this but do the research. It will give you a sense of freedom to know the truth and put your faith squarely on our Savior as our example.
Truth! just as henriwoods9087 said, 'do the research'. Head over to the Joseph Smith Papers for more information and research. Many researchers and ley historians have worked tirelessly unearthing this hidden information to bring it to light. This exonerates Joseph, Emma ad Hyrum of any involvement in the practice of Plural wifery.
For more insight to this topic there are many you-tube videos available online now making this information available. Search up the channels 132 Problems; and Disciple of Christ to get you started. great interviews.
Certainly makes the BOM origin look sketchy. How Emma put up with Joe's shenanigans, we'll never know. But definitely a female superhero.
How does it make the BOM look sketchy ?
@@mikeboyd3225 Mikey, I have no answer for you. Just my opinion. My point of view.
Word of Wisdom "as a forewarning for saints of today than in the past". Right, because there was such great medicine back then. Forbidding tea was probably Joseph's retaliation against Emma.
Why do you use a painting of Joseph Smith and Emma's translation process and a hat, even though Joseph's and Oliver's personal testimony is that they used the urim and thummim?
Thank you. Inspiring an encouraging!
I completely agree that Emma was a hero. Losing family, homes, safety, babies, then an unfaithful husband is a bigger load than any woman should have to carry.
Joseph wasn't perfect, he transgressed again her as mentioned in D&C. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were also called by God yet sinned greatly. Joseph did that same thing to Emma. Joseph was a prophet but made some serious mistakes.
One thing I don't understand though, is the Abrahamic covenant, the sacrifice? He never had to sacrifice his son, he was spared at the last minute thus never having to make that sacrifice. Why tell Emma to make the Abrahamic covenant when Abraham never made the sacrifice? Don Badly just did a great video on Joseph screw up on ward radio. Super cool 😎. God works with the imperfect
There is a growing movement in the Church that is unearthing an old narrative: Joseph Never lived Polygamy. It states that D&C 132 was derived by Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball, William Clayton and others who were "desiring many wives and concubines" to formulate a 'revelation' justifying their designs. It is coming out in a careful study of the Joseph Smith Papers. Joseph, Emma and Hyrum ALL FOUGHT polygamy until their dying breath. This relatively new narrative makes sense and exonerates Joseph Smith of any involvement in the practice of PM and clearly demonstrates He was vehemently against it. D&C 132 has too many lies and false doctrine to take it at face value anymore.
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If you do another documentary - please slow down
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The only revelation on plural marriage is to not do it.
Inaccurate. Most modern historians know of Smith's marriages to married women and teenagers. Also, Emma was not at first amenable to polygamy, but Smith told her that he would be he would be destroyed by an angel of god should he not take many wives.
yup even marrying one of emmas close friends
"Married women, teenagers and children" at 14 years old you are an innocent child, today this would be classed as rape with or without consent. No wonder the mob stormed the jail, people of the town of Cathage would do it today.
Correction: Modern historians and everybody for that matter know of Smith's POST MORTEM sealings to other people including men, women and teenagers. Joseph was never involved in any plural marriage or spiritual wifery while he was alive. Also, it was Brigham Young's section 132 that told Joseph and Emma she would be destroyed by an angel. Not God. 132 is not of God. It has too many inaccuracies, false doctrine and and zero scriptural witnesses to it.
There is no evidence of plural marriage given by Emma or Joseph, only questionable testimony of others who claimed it. It is becoming more and more clear that Joseph fought against polygamy, and that it was something taught by other leaders of the church against Josephs wishes. See the book "Joseph Smith fought polygamy".
Joseph didn't fight against polygamy. It was all his idea Emma threw one girl servicing as a house maid down the steps when she found them in bed together. He of course lied about it calling it God's will.
The delusion of polygamy deniers always cracks me up 😂 read William Claytona diaries. Jospeh smith lied about his polygamy and so did Emma later on.
Sure sanitized Brigham Young's and Emma's relationship. Brigham said horrible things about Emma. Emma knew Brigham was practicing polygamy behind Joseph's back. Brigham had to discredit Emma to keep up his image. Joseph and Hyrum denounced polygamy. Joseph said he only had one wife and it was Emma. Emma three times after Joseph's death said that he had no other wives but her. It is up to each of us to get to the real truth. Do your own research. Joseph was not a hypocrite. Joseph said that he taught openly all the principle of the gospel. It is a shame the LDS church uses anti-Mormon sources to back up Brigham Young. Get a copy of the 1835 D&C. The Gospel is true but not all the history of the church. Do not throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater.
Thank you for this info. It is what I have found in my research. Yes, please see for yourself in the 1835
D & C. Polygamy was not mentioned in the D&C until the 1879 version, I believe. Joseph's words were eliminated.
Amen! It is a sorry state of affairs when lies are being promulgated over historical facts.
What did she do after he died? She denied that Joseph had every taught or practiced polygamy until her death. And she told the truth. She truly was an elect lady, despite the slander of “they who are not apostles and prophets” (D&C 64:39).
Thank you for your post.
@@tnielson272 you might enjoy this video.
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so we know he took multiple wives. there is documentatin, journal entries, and interviews with these women and his sons. emma denounced it yes, but that was because it was illegal and she was ashamed she rarely spoke of joseph after his death and only did 1 interview on her death bed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_wives
@@LitleLuci we don’t know what you claim we know. Here’s a good intro that counters your claim. th-cam.com/video/F5heXE5xS5w/w-d-xo.html. The journal entries were all by William Clayton, who is very suspect. And Joseph’s sons all fought the claim that their father was a polygamist. Please consider this information in this video. It just scratches the surface of the evidence that shows Joseph did not teach or practice polygamy.
@@cab9191 But your church teaches that polygamy is no longer practiced in line with the laws of the land, but it is still a Mormon doctrine in line with needing polygamy to continue the populating of new planets.
Tell me I'm wrong.
Also watch how this post gets deleted.
As a faithful member of the Church, I am convinced Joseph's polygamy was abusive and not pleasing to God.
Resulting in a loss of protection.
There is no loophole for polygamy in the Book of Mormon.
"These things" in Jacob 2:30 referred to the abominations of polygamy in the rest of the chapter.
miss-titled. only 5% even talks about what happened after Joseph died. Spoiler alert, she did not go west and remarried. She was an elect lady, I would like to know more about what happened after Joseph died, maybe you could make a vcast about that but it's not here.
The "covenant" Emma made also did not include staying behind and starting another church....but, she did so anyway.
Are you people here Mormons? If so, you seem to be very selective about which parts of Mormonism you buy into.
That's not what you agreed to when you raised your arm to the square and covenanted to "follow the brethren".
You really should make the break and start your own LDS-like church. You'd be in the good company of many others who have done the same---including Emma!
Maybe...The Church Of Emma Smith of Latter-Day Saints....EMMA-ISM!
She didn't actually "start" another church. she was just carrying on in her husbands footsteps. The Brighamites started another church or at least took a faction of it out west.
You need to wear a clip-on mic relying on the camera mic is not good you need a clip-on mic
You can' t be an "independent critic" when you are a member of a social tribal group which perceives conflicting information as an existential threat. Humans evolved 'tools' to fend off these threats, with us from our time as hunter gatherers; two of which are named cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias. Joseph Smith became a desperate charlatan when his family suffered economic devastation from "The Winter Without a Summer", as a result of the Eruption of Tambora April 5, 1815 which cooled the northern hemisphere and caused crop failures and famine around the globe. Joseph eventually admitted his deceptions to Emma's father but he failed to keep his promise to stop. Unfortunately those were the skills he had cultivated and he used them with ever increasing success along with many others revivalists during that time period.
You did not discuss the reason why Joseph was staying in Emma’s Fathers house. Joseph was a scryer and was hired by Emma’s father to find buried treasure on his property.
He was hired by Josiah Stoll, not Emma's father.
He was hired to dig for a silver mine...that's all!
My experience with history (I have a BA in American History) is the truth is in the middle between 2 opposing extremes.
One extreme:
Joseph never practiced or promoted polygamy. So what if the affidavits in the Expositor clearly describe all the troubling parts we don't like about D&C 132 that Hyrum presented to the Nauvoo council. Who cares if hundreds of people saw or heard the document that came to be 132 prior to 1847 when it was recopied and handed over to Brigham. Who cares that the wording of 132 was Joseph's and not Brigham's and that Brigham was not capable of writing it. It magically appeared from Brigham's desk in 1852!!!
Who cares if hundreds of people testified of Joseph initiating polygamy. They are ALL liars. And Joseph, Hyrum, and Emma were too infallible to lie.
Other extreme:
Who cares about Jacob 2 and King Noah and his priests being described as wicked for having multiple wives. In Joseph's day, God was a changin. And sure "these things" in Jacob 2:30 were described as "the abominations of polygamy" elsewhere in Jacob 2, but if we tweaked things to make "these things" mean Jacob's entire discourse (that was preserved for OUR day) we have a loophole to steal wives (and call it seal wives) and kick the excess men out of Utah. And it's not adultery so long as we "multiple and replenish the earth."
I think the reason the LDS and Reorganized Church remained at odds over this issue for so long is because neither side can drop their deep felt idea that Joseph was too infallible to write a Revelation that contained his own lustful desires.
So the LDS church claims we should accept 132 as scripture even though Joseph nor the body of the Church ever voted it to be.
And the Reorganized Church went into denial mode and pretended someone less capable of writing it (like Brigham Young) wrote it.
The challenge with 132 is that the nonpolygamy parts are powerful and true. So how do you throw the bathwater out without throwing out to baby?
I am convinced that the Lord was displeased with Joseph for introducing these false concepts the same way he was displeased with Moses for overstepping. Resulting in handing over the task to Joshua and Brigham Young taking the Israelites into Salt Lake Valley/Israel (both desert areas with Lake Utah/Sea of Galilee emptying into Jordan River towards Salt Lake/Dead Sea.)
I think the Salt Lake Temple not being completed until after the Saints formally abandoned polygamy, and it taking 40 years to build was similar to the Saints roaming 40 years in the wilderness because of their sexual sins.
Sexual sin is massively common even amongst God's people.
To think Joseph could not have been tempted into sexual sin by using his revelatory powers to call adultery "plural Celestial Marriage" would mean God denied him his agency.
I believe God removed him for this reason. And God prevented him from having offspring so that he could give a glimmer of hope to the Joseph practiced polygamy deniers.
Who I sympathize with as Jacob 2 (and the JST) make it clear Solomon and David's polygamy was an abomination. D&C 132 falsely negates this.
The scriptures make it clear the sins of the parents are transferred to the the children unto the 3rd or 4th generations.
Joseph's descendants are all outside the covenant. And only a few have accepted the gospel in the 3rd and 4th generations.
This is why I accept William Mark's testimony as the middle and correct positon:
True, Joseph promoted it. True, he admitted that it was a mistake and curse.
I didn't say he started it. Because new evidence shows many of his followers were involved in it parallel to him. It's possible polygamists like William Clayton pressured Joseph to create 132 to satisfy their lists.
So no mention of the accusation that Emma tried twice to poison her husband? Or of the fact that the main reason for her desire to not join Brigham Young was their disagreement over polygamy? I mean she spent the rest of her life publicly denying Joseph Smith ever had multiple wives so that should be an indicator as to what she thought about this policy.
You’re showing your ignorance. Leave this to the grownups.
@@mikeboyd3225 the truth hurts doesn't it... tell me one thing I said that wasn't true
Was it Brigham Young, who accused her of trying to poison Joseph Smith?
So you're saying that Brigham was a liar calling Emma wicked?
As for me, i thank our HEAVENLY FATHER & our BELOVED HEAVENLY MOTHER, for the Restoration of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, back on Earth.
There is no Heavenly mother
@@tdubs5128 U need to ask our HEAVENLY FATHER and our BELOVED HEAVENLY MOTHER, to help u with your extreme ignorance and rebelliousness. See, when u deny your HEAVENLY FATHER, u denying your EARTHLY FATHER, when u deny your HEAVENLY MOTHER, you're also denying your EARTHLY MOTHER. How can your EARTHLY FATHER have u, without your EARTHLY MOTHER, u need to think hard about it. How can our HEAVENLY FATHER, GOD the FATHER, have a Son, Jesus Christ and us all, in the PRE MORTAL LIFE, without our BELOVED HEAVENLY MOTHER, think about it.
@@siilatacollins154 We have had this talk before. Keep on dreaming.
All of Joseph’s wives were special. Only someone who is jealous or nuts would think to bring polygamy into the discussion. Leave it alone. Someday you will understand.
You should get your facts about history before presenting a "feel good-church approved" video.
Are you kidding? She left the Church she proclaimed to believe. Started a different Church and rejected the LORD's Prophet (Brigham Young). You try that today and see how the Church deals with you. The Lord is no respecter of person.
She didn't start another church. She just carried on what was left. The Brighamites took a faction of the church out to the west.
Brighamite Mormons has ZERO business trying to interpret Emma's story. Brigham ruined her for them years ago.
Have you lost your mind?
Which girl was 14 years old.?!
Joseph Smith also against Emma's wishes, married other women who already had husbands!
Emma was not 14. But he did marry a 14 year old
He didn't have sex with them and only married them for eternity, not time. They never lived together and he hadn't even met at least one of them. Some marriages were for eternity but not time.
So easy to know that Emma was 21 the first time she met 19 year old Joseph Smith. So sad you are so easily led about.
Where are you? In the company of Joseph Smith or in the company of Jesus Christ?
Well, if you’re LDS you worship Jesus Christ and you revere Joseph Smith as a Prophet of God. Pretty simple. It’s actually in the name of the Church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter - day Saints. What’s the name of your church ? Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic ?
One thing I can say you LDS PEOPLE ARE DEDICATED,ESPECIALLY THE GUYS ON BICYCLE 2 YRS MISSION IN NEBERHOODS WHERE PEOPLE SEE THEM COMING AND HIDE.I ALWAYS SAY HELLO AND WHEN THEY SAY CAN WE TALK TO YOU.ABOUT JESUS,I SAY ,I LOVE THE LORD BUT I DONT ACEPT YOUR DOCTRINE,BUT I RESPECT YOUR DEDICATION,THE LORD BE WITH YOU AND HAVE GOOD DAY.I CANT BE JUDGEMENTAL,JUST CANT BELIEVE IN A MAN MADE RELIGION.
Don, invite the elders in and have a chat about the doctrines and after that you can accept them or not. It's better to know exactly what it is that you are not accepting. Give it a try.
Don, you're in the wrong place here. Don't you know that on these sites, you're not allowed to say anything that could remotely be construed as kind or complimentary about the Mormons?
Emma would've been "destroyed" by the Lord if she didn't accept Joseph's other wives.
nope. 132 is a farce. It is being proven to be a farce now through a careful study of the Joseph Smith Papers.
This is basic seminary class level stuff. What’s the point of this video? Nothing new here
Hot drinks does not mean physically hot. This is a hugly missconception among most saints. Alcohol is not physically hot. By this alone should give you insight and stop miss understanding what "HOT DRINKS" mean.
You may want to do some more research about Emma smith before you publish things as facts! Joseph smith never had any more wives than Emma! She testified so in interview after interview after Joseph’s death. There is a book series entitled Joseph fought polygamy that I would recommend. It is a different story than the one the church historically teaches but I know it to be true. Joseph was a prophet of God and was not unfaithful to Emma in any way.
Emma got remarried on Joseph Smith birthday !!
Emma was the biggest supporter & organizer
of the RLDS church...
I don’t think Joseph Smith likes traitors....
Mm
Prophet Young said Joseph Smith would have to go to hell to find Emma. I think that is a misquote,,,, what he really said was that Emma could go to hell !!!
I'm pretty sure Joseph and Emma have a few things to work through, but I'm sure some context matters here. There was no social welfare safety net in their day, so Emma may not have had a lot of choice in re-marrying. It may have been an economic necessity.
Having said that, she's done a few things that don't look too good to us these days...
Joseph ♥️ Fanny Alger...
This video is mis-titled.
Joseph DID NOT LIVE POLYGAMY..