@@gunnarthorsen To be exact - God did not come to a fallen world - He came through the made Perfect and Perpetually Virgin Holy Mary...without whose holiness there would not yet have been the Birth
and more importantly, be a virtuous Nazarene: keep Christ in Christians-feed the hungry, heal the sick, forgive old grudges, give alms to the poor, make peace, be kind, be gentle. 🐟👁️☀️❤️
Was Mr Patristix sweating buckets from his antipodean studio to produce this festive episode in suitably wintery attire in the middle of his Summer. If so, I salute his heroism.
I thank you so much my brother for what you do! God bless and keep you. At our small Orthodox Serbian church we play much of your videos to teach, exhort and inspire us. Again, I thank you. 😊
This is a good time to bring our Christianity back with traditional hymns vintage and modern. Wonderful time. Our World is in absolute need of our Christian faith. Our lord is calling all his children of all ages back to his teachings and faith. AMEN.✝️🙏🇬🇧☃️🎄❄️♥️🪽
Thank you patristix, as a fellow Aussie, I really appreciate your videos as someone who is interested in converting to orthodoxy, I have learnt so much.
I didn't know that about Christmas kind of being lost. I attend an Orthodox church with my husband on 6th Jan. The singing is beautiful. They have local carols too, sometimes sing them with family.
Thank You. The Birth of Jesus Christ is a Tremendous Gift, bestowed upon us by God, for He so Loved us and the World. Love really is our true and Divine Nature. Thank You God, Thank You Jesus. ❤❤❤❤
The slavic carols are incomparable. It's hard to decide which is the most beautful. Smultaneously stark and tender in their melodies. There is a Ukrainian (catholic) site from Canada which provides very adequate transltions of some of them to English and they are perfectly singable.
Thank you for this video! St. Hillary of Poitiers also wrote the early version of the Nicene Creed, some version of which most Christians recite at Mass each week. His tomb is in St. Hillary's church in, of course, Poitiers. By God's Grace I have visited this Romanesque gem. I didn't know about the ancient hymn.
Good video ive Always Loved Christmas Music & curious of it's origins. i am Agnostic But believe me i HUGE On Christmas have my whole Apt Decked out this year with Big Tapestries of the Manjor / Nativity and Christmas Angel Garden Flags.
Your channel came up as suggested and I watched the one about the Heliand. I was delighted to see icons and an Orthodox cross on the wall behind you and thrilled to find you are Orthodox as am I. I love history as well so I have subscribed. Thank you for helping to save the history.
We used to sing this type of hymn in Lutheran churches in Germany until very recently (ca. 20 years ago) and I have always loved them, and still do, for their solemnity that fits the occasion and for their profound content. And also for their longstanding tradition. This has been discontinued, mostly in favor pseudo- meaningful texts in the manner of "let's look at the candles, they symbolise hope, so let us sing of hope and candles at christmastime." There are exceptions, of course, but the old (I mean older than 19th century) hymns are no longer sung... So, on a more positive note, I am challenging myself to post one Christmas carol on each day of Advent this year. And it would be wonderful if other people did the same! I began with " Veni redemptor gentium" (Ambrose of Milan, translated by Martin Luther). Please delete this comment if it is inappropriate to mention that here!! Just thought it might be of interest. - I came across your channel for the first time today and I'm glad I did!
The Puritans banned Christmas, but the ordinary people generally ignored this. In several places, there were riots and shopkeepers who had stayed open on Christmas Day, as the law demanded, were likely to have their shops trashed by the mobs. It is a fallacy that people lost interest in Christmas. The 17th, 18th, and early 19th centuries maintained many traditions from previous centuries. What Dickens and Prince Albert did was to popularise certain elements of the celebrations. They did not reinvent Christmas.
🗣🎵🎶✝...in addition.. in the 4th Century St. Hilary's Carol to the Christ child, would be chanted in Acapella style...without any instruments...except the instrument, that God himself invented...the angelic human voice...
@@bronwynstirkul3549 ..."out of the mouth of Babes, God hath PERFECTED Praise"[Matt 21:16]...what our Lord has declared "perfect"...needs no mechanical accompaniment...just, practice...
@@bronwynstirkul3549 ...hahaha..even so, in the ears of the Almighty it's "Perfect"..in Worship, He's who we are to please...not entertain ourselves and each other...with prideful artistry
Wonderful video and very informative! Thank you for helping to save past things from obscurity. BTW I believe "O Come O Come Emmanuel" has its origins going back about 1200 years. Technically, an Advent carol... It remains my favorite.
Christmas stands for love and forgiveness the world unites, joy enters the hearts peace enters. Christianity in its fullness is the greatest euphoric experience you will ever have. Christianity if practiced as written will make us a loving caring being a selfless one. No wars just love no one should go hungry nor die alone.
The Puritans, a sect of English Radical Protestants, banned Christmas (after murdering the Archbishop of Canterbury, William Laud). Referring to Puritans simply as ‘Protestants’ as if there were no difference between them and Anglicans or Lutherans is about like failing to distinguish between the miaphysite and duophysite communions in the East.
I was actually about to leave a similar comment, but you already did. Thank you. It's like how the Amish call all non-Amish people "The English" even if they are Japanese or Irish.
@@AlasPoorEngland Although miaphysitism and monophysitism have been prejudicioisly conflated by some historically (like the Puritans, ironically, who used the label ‘Eutychian’ to refer not only to miaphysite and monophysite Christologies but also to Lutheranism’s duophysite Christology), but most contemporary histories of theology rightly distinguish between miaphysitism and monophysitism. Both hold that Jesus as the incarnate Logos has only one nature (physis)-‘mia’ and ‘mono’ both come from forms of the Greek word for ‘one.’ To keep this comment relatively short, I must crudely summarize the difference between them like this: miaphysitism denotes theories that hold the incarnate Logos has one nature which is a perfect fusion of divine and human nature into one ‘new’ nature where the two natures are still virtually distinguishable, whereas monophysitism typically denotes theories where the two natures are fused such that the human nature has been “swallowed up” by the divine nature in their fusion. Miaphysitism is the doctrine of Christ held by the Coptic Orthodox and a handful of others (like the Armenians and Ethiopians), whereas monophysitism is, to my knowledge, rejected by all ecclesial bodies. Detailed discussions of each and their distinction can be found in Roman Catholic scholar Leo Donald Davis’ book _The First Seven Ecumenical Councils_ and Eastern Orthodox scholar John McGuckin’s _Saint Cyril of Alexandria and the Christological Controversy_ . If the Lutheran view is of any interest, Lutheran scholar David Scaer’s book _Christology_ contains a brief overview, and the Roman Catholic scholar Franz Posset’s book _Luther’s Catholic Christology_ gives a more detailed historical analysis.
@ Augustinian Sir, I must congratulate you on, and thank you for, the kind donation of your theological and historical learning and insight. The interaction of the divine and the human is beginning to be a topic of great interest and importance to me, so I must contemplate the mode of Our Lord’s miraculous incarnation, and the scholarly works you kindly cite will, I hope, enlighten me further. As we now embark on the season of Advent, culminating in the glorious birth, may I wish you every blessing for this time, and best wishes for a merry and blessed Christmas! (I suppose from your pen name you are a Western Christian, and will be celebrating on Dec. 25: so will I, although I have a hankering after the January 6 festival, and would like either to assist at an Orthodox service, or to visit Glastonbury to see how exactly the Holy Thorns there will display themselves!
Merci beaucoup ! En France le nom commun "noël" designe un chant ancien composé pour cette fête (=carol in english). Outre certaines compositions liturgiques( abbaye St- Martial de Limoges, 12 ème s ), c'est surtout à partir des 15-16 ème qu'on trouve des noëls populaires du Poitou ou de Provence... Ainsi " Noël nouvelet" ou " Au saint Nau" remontant à la fin du Moyen - Âge...
I have been wanting to hear that carol for years because I love Christmas songs and I am sad that in modern times that we can't hear this Christmas song.
There are TH-cam videos of cantors singing Byzantine chants for the Nativity: the words and music are profound and beautiful, but I suspect that some listeners used to Western Christmas carols might find the chanting strange and off-putting. I have never heard the hymn mentioned in this gentleman's video, but in every Orthodox church at this time you can hear the Nativity Kontakion of St Romanos the Melodist, from the 6th century (usually but not always in a modern setting): Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One, and the earth offers a cave to the Unapproachable One. Angels and shepherds glorify him; the Wise Men journey with the star, Since for our sake the eternal God was born as a little Child.
wonderful Christmas teas, i love all the warm sweet spices, but not the peppermint i found this really fascinating and i thought away in a manger was really old
No serenade today, Mr Paristix? Im sure you have a lovely singing voice. 😁 Thank you for your videos. I learn so many new and interesting things about our beloved Church. God Bless!
In Dulci Jubilo (Good Christian Men Rejoice) and O Come Emmanuel are two of my favorites. I'd love to know more about their ages and how they worked within their times of writing theologically.
"O Come O Come Emmanuel" is based on the very ancient "O" antiphons which were sung (in Latin) before the Magnificat at Vespers during the week before Christmas. Each antiphon, sung on a different day, proclaims a title of Jesus as He comes into the world: O Root of Jesse; O Key of David; O Emmanuel (etc). The hymn lists these sacred titles verse by verse (but not in the original order). It's an extremely beautiful carol, and a favourite for almost everyone. "In Dulce Jubilo" is a mediaeval carol, originally in German, with the original tune set to harmony by the 17th century German composer Praetorius. Like many mediaeval English carols, Latin phrases alternate with vernacular ones. Our English translation of this carol (which I think is Victorian) alternates Latin and English in the traditional way. Both lovely carols!
I would have liked to see the original Latin version of this carol. English translations are inelegant and miss the beautify of the poetic meter of such hymns, as is true as well with the Greek hymns that you say you are familiar with.
Jesus refulsit omnium Pius redemptor gentium Totum genus fidelium Laudes celebret dramatum Quem stella natum fulgida Monstrat micans per authera Magosque duxit praevia Ipsius ad cunabula Illi cadentes parvulum Pannis adorant obsitum Verum fatentur ut Deum Munus ferendo mysticum.
Here is my paraphrase of the opening lines of St. Romanos Melodos' Christmas canticle ("I Parthenos Simeron"), to be sung as a verse added to "Child in a Manger": God above Heaven Born of a virgin; God beyond space Now sheltered on earth. This day is holy! Sing to the Saviour, Shepherds and angels Herald His birth. Anyone is welcome to sing this and distribute it.
Very interesting. Thank you. Out of curiosity: what would be the oldest commonly used carol or hymn in general? At The Lamb’s High Feast must be up there.
I'm not a Orthodox Lutheran but I am a born again Christian. But we do share the same tradition of Jesus Christ. Before Christians like me we respect Martin Luther.
I was sorry you didn't mention the contribution of the American, Washington Irving. His "Old Christmas" was, IMO, a big influence on Dickens' Christmas stories.
The oldest carols I know are Gaudete and Of the Father's Love Begotten. The former is still in Latin and the latter is probably translated from Latin. Is the St Hilary you mention the 4th century French Bishop? [feast day January 13].
Yeah I thought "Of the Father's Love Begotten" originally "Corde natus" was the earliest. Neat to learn otherwise, but I was a bit unclear what the name of Hilary's hymn was. Did I miss it? (Could it be Gloria in excelsis Deo as that looks to have been translated by Hilary of Poitiers. Also I do find very few common carols from before 1700.)
The Gospel of Luke gives us the Carols of Christmas! In the first 2 chapters we have the Magnificat, the Song of the Angels, and the Nunc Dimittis. These predate all other Carols, except those most often associated with of Handel's Messiah, Which are largely Old Testament Prophecies (Isaiah, Michah, etc) set to more recent (1700s) glorious music.😊
When I lived in Bulgaria in the 1990s, open, and large celebrations of Christmas were still not popular. Over the years, however, the Bulgarians have embraced Christmas and celebrating.
You mentioned "... the Victoria Era ..." Hark the Herald Angels sing ..." was written over Christmas 1738 at St mary's Islington by Charles Wesley, George Whitfield, and a Martyn Maddan - the latter being a very young lad at the time. Good Hymn Books will acknowledge this - Hymns of faith being one of them.
Love this. Thank you for sharing and for the education. We do a Christmas video every year on our small channel. Would it be OK to use the part of your vid where you quote the hymn? I hope that makes sense. Thanks again!
What about the Christmas carol O King Wensalaus (so?) I heard that this is one of the oldest Christmas carols that we have. The storyline sounds like it's straight out of the Middle ages. Can you tell us what the origin of this great hymn is?
Good King Wenceslas is a very recent carol, written in the 19th century. But King (Saint!) Wenceslas was a real figure from the 10th century. We touch briefly on his story in this episode: th-cam.com/video/dWVZbryKduc/w-d-xo.html
The oldest advent song I know is Let all Mortal Flesh Keep silence written around 275 AD, the original tune is lost. The current version of the tune is by Vaughn Williams.
@@livvymunro1929 - i love that tune. We used to sing the first verse as call to worship in our (Methodist) church. IT is one of the most beautiful hymns and one of my favourites.
Songs from hundreds of years ago are few and far between. Lots of great classical music, but actual songs that we sing today, and are still popular? Greensleeves. Scarborough Fair. O Holy Night. I'm not sure what else.
... And then when we go back in music history "Carol" is a specific form of song. Not sure how it got tagged onto songs that we sing at Christmas time.
During the Puritan Commonwealth, not everyone obeyed the anti-Christmas rules. I have, in my family tree, an individual called William Winstanley, who had many faults, but kept Christmas, recorded Christmas traditions, some of which were quite odd, and gained the grandiose title of 'The man who saved Christmas.' I understand that some of his writings came into the hands of Charles Dickens, by a roundabout route, and influenced him in A Christmas Carol.
A few have mentioned the Christmas / Advent hymn "Veni Redemptor Gentium" / Savior of the Nations, Come by St Ambrose of Milan. Here's a translation in English that can be sung to the Lutheran tune, but tries to be more faithful to the original Latin than the common English translation: Savior of the nations, come; Offspring of the Virgin’s womb! Every age will stand amazed Birth of God fit to be praised. Not conceived by human seed; God’s breath exhaled mystically And the Word of God was flesh, Budding fruit of Maiden fresh Virgin’s womb grows large with Child While remaining undefiled! Virtues shine like precious stones; God is in her womb enthroned. He was born of chastity, Royal hall of purity. Natures two in Person one, Eager for His race to run. From the Father forth He came And returneth to the same, Down through hell His path shall pass To God’s throne in Heaven at last! Co-eternal, God the Son, In our flesh the victory won, So our flesh may bear Thy grace Strengthening our fallen race. Manger shines out clear and bright And the night exhales new Light Night can never make it dim Let us shine with faith in him Glory to Thee, Jesus Lord! Thou who art the Virgin-born! Praise the Holy Trinity, Ever and Eternally
Thank you for your preservation. Too much is forever lost to the past. All history needs to be preserved, especially during these times. Ron
Thank God there are those who preserve special items.
beautiful! I love early Christian chants and songs!
Sharing this with my Lutheran friends! Beautiful and what a marvel that the Creator of the universe became a baby. 😄
"Sacred Infant, all divine,
what a tender love was Thine.
Thus, to come from highest bliss,
Down to such a world as this!"
@@gunnarthorsen
To be exact - God did not come to a fallen world - He came through the made Perfect and Perpetually Virgin Holy Mary...without whose holiness there would not yet have been the Birth
I watched your Christmas playlist the other day with 12 videos in it, now you HAVE A NEW CHRISTMAS VIDEO!!!!! I love it!
A couple more Christmas episodes yet to come this year!
@ yes!!!!!! Thanks for all you do
Christ is is Born! Glorify Him! ☦️
Amen ✝️
Christ is born and think on his compassion.
Keep Christ in Christmas! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! CHRIST is KING!!!
and more importantly, be a virtuous Nazarene: keep Christ in Christians-feed the hungry, heal the sick, forgive old grudges, give alms to the poor, make peace, be kind, be gentle. 🐟👁️☀️❤️
Was für ein wunderbarer Satz und so notwendig. Danke. What a wonderful phrase and so necessary. Thanks
Amin!!!!!. 😌🤌💕.
Merry Christmas to you too! Chirst is King!
So well considered, so well-stated. Thank you.@@anelrielylhelmessn7461
Was Mr Patristix sweating buckets from his antipodean studio to produce this festive episode in suitably wintery attire in the middle of his Summer. If so, I salute his heroism.
Right?!
Thank you! It wasn't quite hot enough to sweat buckets, but yes it is summer here and yes we chose a winter attire 😆 Keeping it Christmassy
@@hannahbaker3080 he lives in Australia, so it is summer now.
@@HabashyAngy yes, I know, thanks
I too live in the antipodes, and I can't hear air conditioning, so yes: absolutely sweating buckets.
Love that commitment
Another wonderful addition to our library of Orthodox memories!! Thank you my friend❤☦️☦️☦️❤️
Thanks so much, Roger!
Merry Christmas✝️
I thank you so much my brother for what you do! God bless and keep you. At our small Orthodox Serbian church we play much of your videos to teach, exhort and inspire us. Again, I thank you.
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That is a VERY good idea for how to use these excellent videos ..
This is a good time to bring our Christianity back with traditional hymns vintage and modern. Wonderful time. Our World is in absolute need of our Christian faith. Our lord is calling all his children of all ages back to his teachings and faith. AMEN.✝️🙏🇬🇧☃️🎄❄️♥️🪽
Καλα Χριστούγεννα. Χριστος γεννήθηκε!
Thank you patristix, as a fellow Aussie, I really appreciate your videos as someone who is interested in converting to orthodoxy, I have learnt so much.
So glad to hear! 🇦🇺
The joy I receive when a new Patristix video is uploaded! Glory to God! ☦
Same!
Thank you for watching!
I didn't know that about Christmas kind of being lost. I attend an Orthodox church with my husband on 6th Jan. The singing is beautiful. They have local carols too, sometimes sing them with family.
Great video. Cheers and Merry Christmas to all reading this.
✝ХРИСТОС ВОСКРЕС 🙏
Воистину воскресе!
Wrong time of year, its advent right now!
@@mickeymouOrthodox proclaim “Christ is Risen” until Nativity when we proclaim “Christ is born”.
Such an amazing breadth of knowledge. So educational. Thanks so much
Thank You. The Birth of Jesus Christ is a Tremendous Gift, bestowed upon us by God, for He so Loved us and the World. Love really is our true and Divine Nature. Thank You God, Thank You Jesus. ❤❤❤❤
The slavic carols are incomparable. It's hard to decide which is the most beautful. Smultaneously stark and tender in their melodies. There is a Ukrainian (catholic) site from Canada which provides very adequate transltions of some of them to English and they are perfectly singable.
Link?
Where would I be able to find them?
Thank you, always learn something from this channel.
Very, very nice! thanks! Merry Christmas!
Thank you for this video! St. Hillary of Poitiers also wrote the early version of the Nicene Creed, some version of which most Christians recite at Mass each week. His tomb is in St. Hillary's church in, of course, Poitiers. By God's Grace I have visited this Romanesque gem. I didn't know about the ancient hymn.
Wonderful!!! Thank you so much. I don't celebrate until January 7. I have more time. Christ is born! Glorify Him!❤❤❤❤❤
Good video ive Always Loved Christmas Music & curious of it's origins.
i am Agnostic But believe me i HUGE On Christmas have my whole Apt Decked out this year with Big Tapestries of the Manjor / Nativity
and Christmas Angel Garden Flags.
I wanted to hear you sing the Carol!
Love your videos! Thank you!!
Your channel came up as suggested and I watched the one about the Heliand. I was delighted to see icons and an Orthodox cross on the wall behind you and thrilled to find you are Orthodox as am I. I love history as well so I have subscribed. Thank you for helping to save the history.
I hope you enjoy our channel! We've got over a hundred videos on history, art, culture and our Orthodox faith! God bless!
Thanks for all the work it took to find this information.❤
Merry ,Merry.⛪🙏
We love your work. Thank you. ❤
I was just wondering this the other day! Amazing!
Wonderfully informative. Thank you. God bless you. 🌟
And they say Orthodox don’t evangelize… thanks for your great work 🙏🏾
Nice video-and I love your background set !
Thank you! We've made over a hundred episodes on this set and we still like it
I am so glad to have found you!
Enjoy the tea my friend! It was great to have you 🍵
You gave us a solid few episodes worth of tea! Miss you guys
We used to sing this type of hymn in Lutheran churches in Germany until very recently (ca. 20 years ago) and I have always loved them, and still do, for their solemnity that fits the occasion and for their profound content. And also for their longstanding tradition. This has been discontinued, mostly in favor pseudo- meaningful texts in the manner of "let's look at the candles, they symbolise hope, so let us sing of hope and candles at christmastime." There are exceptions, of course, but the old (I mean older than 19th century) hymns are no longer sung...
So, on a more positive note, I am challenging myself to post one Christmas carol on each day of Advent this year. And it would be wonderful if other people did the same! I began with " Veni redemptor gentium" (Ambrose of Milan, translated by Martin Luther). Please delete this comment if it is inappropriate to mention that here!! Just thought it might be of interest.
- I came across your channel for the first time today and I'm glad I did!
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i have wondered what the oldest was for a couple years now, thank you!
Thank you! I really appreciated hearing about such an ancient carol. What a shame the music was not preserved in some way.
I just discovered your channel!!
I love it. Just in time to lead up to christmas ❤️
How i wish we had a preserved version of the Angels Hymn...
Welcome to Patristix! Be sure to check out our little collection of Christmas episodes: th-cam.com/play/PL6k1J6n7Y5c393uYrBSRxZd81Iy_yogtQ.html
Prot checking in. Great vid
Merry Christmas!
The Puritans banned Christmas, but the ordinary people generally ignored this. In several places, there were riots and shopkeepers who had stayed open on Christmas Day, as the law demanded, were likely to have their shops trashed by the mobs.
It is a fallacy that people lost interest in Christmas. The 17th, 18th, and early 19th centuries maintained many traditions from previous centuries. What Dickens and Prince Albert did was to popularise certain elements of the celebrations. They did not reinvent Christmas.
🗣🎵🎶✝...in addition.. in the 4th Century St. Hilary's Carol to the Christ child, would be chanted in Acapella style...without any instruments...except the instrument, that God himself invented...the angelic human voice...
I have heard many human voices which are far from angelic.
@@bronwynstirkul3549 ..."out of the mouth of Babes, God hath PERFECTED Praise"[Matt 21:16]...what our Lord has declared "perfect"...needs no mechanical accompaniment...just, practice...
@@anarchorepublican5954 I am, or was, a singer, and trust me practice doesn’t help some people.
@@bronwynstirkul3549 ...hahaha..even so, in the ears of the Almighty it's "Perfect"..in Worship, He's who we are to please...not entertain ourselves and each other...with prideful artistry
❤❤❤❤❤ thank you
Thank you. Appreciated.
Wonderful video and very informative!
Thank you for helping to save past things from obscurity.
BTW I believe "O Come O Come Emmanuel" has its origins going back
about 1200 years. Technically, an Advent carol... It remains my favorite.
Christmas stands for love and forgiveness the world unites, joy enters the hearts peace enters. Christianity in its fullness is the greatest euphoric experience you will ever have. Christianity if practiced as written will make us a loving caring being a selfless one. No wars just love no one should go hungry nor die alone.
thank you for this, i was taught that the Coventry carol was the oldest English carol dating from about the 13th -14th century
Thank you so much
Christ is King!
The Puritans, a sect of English Radical Protestants, banned Christmas (after murdering the Archbishop of Canterbury, William Laud). Referring to Puritans simply as ‘Protestants’ as if there were no difference between them and Anglicans or Lutherans is about like failing to distinguish between the miaphysite and duophysite communions in the East.
A very apt comment indeed. Pity we can’t ask Adrian Fortescue about this.
I was actually about to leave a similar comment, but you already did. Thank you. It's like how the Amish call all non-Amish people "The English" even if they are Japanese or Irish.
Did you mean MONOPHYSITE? I know THAT word …
@@AlasPoorEngland Although miaphysitism and monophysitism have been prejudicioisly conflated by some historically (like the Puritans, ironically, who used the label ‘Eutychian’ to refer not only to miaphysite and monophysite Christologies but also to Lutheranism’s duophysite Christology), but most contemporary histories of theology rightly distinguish between miaphysitism and monophysitism. Both hold that Jesus as the incarnate Logos has only one nature (physis)-‘mia’ and ‘mono’ both come from forms of the Greek word for ‘one.’ To keep this comment relatively short, I must crudely summarize the difference between them like this: miaphysitism denotes theories that hold the incarnate Logos has one nature which is a perfect fusion of divine and human nature into one ‘new’ nature where the two natures are still virtually distinguishable, whereas monophysitism typically denotes theories where the two natures are fused such that the human nature has been “swallowed up” by the divine nature in their fusion. Miaphysitism is the doctrine of Christ held by the Coptic Orthodox and a handful of others (like the Armenians and Ethiopians), whereas monophysitism is, to my knowledge, rejected by all ecclesial bodies. Detailed discussions of each and their distinction can be found in Roman Catholic scholar Leo Donald Davis’ book _The First Seven Ecumenical Councils_ and Eastern Orthodox scholar John McGuckin’s _Saint Cyril of Alexandria and the Christological Controversy_ . If the Lutheran view is of any interest, Lutheran scholar David Scaer’s book _Christology_ contains a brief overview, and the Roman Catholic scholar Franz Posset’s book _Luther’s Catholic Christology_ gives a more detailed historical analysis.
@ Augustinian Sir, I must congratulate you on, and thank you for, the kind donation of your theological and historical learning and insight. The interaction of the divine and the human is beginning to be a topic of great interest and importance to me, so I must contemplate the mode of Our Lord’s miraculous incarnation, and the scholarly works you kindly cite will, I hope, enlighten me further. As we now embark on the season of Advent, culminating in the glorious birth, may I wish you every blessing for this time, and best wishes for a merry and blessed Christmas! (I suppose from your pen name you are a Western Christian, and will be celebrating on Dec. 25: so will I, although I have a hankering after the January 6 festival, and would like either to assist at an Orthodox service, or to visit Glastonbury to see how exactly the Holy Thorns there will display themselves!
Well done presentation...
Thank you!!!❤
I just found your channel, subscribed !
Lovely
Thank you!
I have just found your channel, Very interesting 🤔 👍
In the dark night (темную пічку) is probably my favourite Ukrainian orthodox carol
May God bless you this wonderful season.☦️
What about “O Come Emmanuel”? That’s older than the ones you listed
Merci beaucoup ! En France le nom commun "noël" designe un chant ancien composé pour cette fête (=carol in english). Outre certaines compositions liturgiques( abbaye St- Martial de Limoges, 12 ème s ), c'est surtout à partir des 15-16 ème qu'on trouve des noëls populaires du Poitou ou de Provence... Ainsi " Noël nouvelet" ou " Au saint Nau" remontant à la fin du Moyen - Âge...
I have been wanting to hear that carol for years because I love Christmas songs and I am sad that in modern times that we can't hear this Christmas song.
There are TH-cam videos of cantors singing Byzantine chants for the Nativity: the words and music are profound and beautiful, but I suspect that some listeners used to Western Christmas carols might find the chanting strange and off-putting.
I have never heard the hymn mentioned in this gentleman's video, but in every Orthodox church at this time you can hear the Nativity Kontakion of St Romanos the Melodist, from the 6th century (usually but not always in a modern setting):
Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One, and the earth offers a cave to the Unapproachable One.
Angels and shepherds glorify him; the Wise Men journey with the star,
Since for our sake the eternal God was born as a little Child.
I wish there were lyrics and music to the Saint's Hymn by Telesphorus of Rome...
wonderful Christmas teas, i love all the warm sweet spices, but not the peppermint
i found this really fascinating and i thought away in a manger was really old
No serenade today, Mr Paristix? Im sure you have a lovely singing voice. 😁 Thank you for your videos. I learn so many new and interesting things about our beloved Church. God Bless!
In Dulci Jubilo (Good Christian Men Rejoice) and O Come Emmanuel are two of my favorites. I'd love to know more about their ages and how they worked within their times of writing theologically.
"O Come O Come Emmanuel" is based on the very ancient "O" antiphons which were sung (in Latin) before the Magnificat at Vespers during the week before Christmas. Each antiphon, sung on a different day, proclaims a title of Jesus as He comes into the world: O Root of Jesse; O Key of David; O Emmanuel (etc). The hymn lists these sacred titles verse by verse (but not in the original order). It's an extremely beautiful carol, and a favourite for almost everyone.
"In Dulce Jubilo" is a mediaeval carol, originally in German, with the original tune set to harmony by the 17th century German composer Praetorius. Like many mediaeval English carols, Latin phrases alternate with vernacular ones. Our English translation of this carol (which I think is Victorian) alternates Latin and English in the traditional way.
Both lovely carols!
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I would have liked to see the original Latin version of this carol. English translations are inelegant and miss the beautify of the poetic meter of such hymns, as is true as well with the Greek hymns that you say you are familiar with.
Jesus refulsit omnium
Pius redemptor gentium
Totum genus fidelium
Laudes celebret dramatum
Quem stella natum fulgida
Monstrat micans per authera
Magosque duxit praevia
Ipsius ad cunabula
Illi cadentes parvulum
Pannis adorant obsitum
Verum fatentur ut Deum
Munus ferendo mysticum.
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Good. Thanks.
Here is my paraphrase of the opening lines of St. Romanos Melodos' Christmas canticle ("I Parthenos Simeron"), to be sung as a verse added to "Child in a Manger":
God above Heaven
Born of a virgin;
God beyond space
Now sheltered on earth.
This day is holy!
Sing to the Saviour,
Shepherds and angels
Herald His birth.
Anyone is welcome to sing this and distribute it.
I thought you'd say O Come O Come Emmanuel. This was very interesting.
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Very interesting. Thank you. Out of curiosity: what would be the oldest commonly used carol or hymn in general? At The Lamb’s High Feast must be up there.
Wonderful presentation of preservation of poetry/prose, but without the music, I can’t really call them Carols anymore.
Interesting video.
I'm not a Orthodox Lutheran but I am a born again Christian. But we do share the same tradition of Jesus Christ. Before Christians like me we respect Martin Luther.
I was sorry you didn't mention the contribution of the American, Washington Irving. His "Old Christmas" was, IMO, a big influence on Dickens' Christmas stories.
Would you do a video about Saint Simon of Cyreene sometime? He’s my patron saint, God bless ☦️
The oldest carols I know are Gaudete and Of the Father's Love Begotten. The former is still in Latin and the latter is probably translated from Latin.
Is the St Hilary you mention the 4th century French Bishop? [feast day January 13].
Yeah I thought "Of the Father's Love Begotten" originally "Corde natus" was the earliest. Neat to learn otherwise, but I was a bit unclear what the name of Hilary's hymn was. Did I miss it? (Could it be Gloria in excelsis Deo as that looks to have been translated by Hilary of Poitiers. Also I do find very few common carols from before 1700.)
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The Gospel of Luke gives us the Carols of Christmas! In the first 2 chapters we have the Magnificat, the Song of the Angels, and the Nunc Dimittis. These predate all other Carols, except those most often associated with of Handel's Messiah, Which are largely Old Testament Prophecies (Isaiah, Michah, etc) set to more recent (1700s) glorious music.😊
When I lived in Bulgaria in the 1990s, open, and large celebrations of Christmas were still not popular. Over the years, however, the Bulgarians have embraced Christmas and celebrating.
You mentioned "... the Victoria Era ..." Hark the Herald Angels sing ..." was written over Christmas 1738 at St mary's Islington by Charles Wesley, George Whitfield, and a Martyn Maddan - the latter being a very young lad at the time. Good Hymn Books will acknowledge this - Hymns of faith being one of them.
Does anyone know the years "Holly and the Ivy" and "Angels on High" was composed? Thank you and Merry Christmas.
Love this. Thank you for sharing and for the education. We do a Christmas video every year on our small channel. Would it be OK to use the part of your vid where you quote the hymn? I hope that makes sense. Thanks again!
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What about the Christmas carol O King Wensalaus (so?) I heard that this is one of the oldest Christmas carols that we have. The storyline sounds like it's straight out of the Middle ages. Can you tell us what the origin of this great hymn is?
Good King Wenceslas is a very recent carol, written in the 19th century. But King (Saint!) Wenceslas was a real figure from the 10th century. We touch briefly on his story in this episode: th-cam.com/video/dWVZbryKduc/w-d-xo.html
Any music to this song?
Very cool. :-)
Wow, Three Dog Night, went way back for that song, about Jeremiah 😂🐸🍷🐿
The oldest advent song I know is Let all Mortal Flesh Keep silence written around 275 AD, the original tune is lost. The current version of the tune is by Vaughn Williams.
In our church(Anglican) we use the tune "Picardie" which is French and dates back to the 16th century.
@@livvymunro1929 - i love that tune. We used to sing the first verse as call to worship in our (Methodist) church. IT is one of the most beautiful hymns and one of my favourites.
Songs from hundreds of years ago are few and far between. Lots of great classical music, but actual songs that we sing today, and are still popular? Greensleeves. Scarborough Fair. O Holy Night. I'm not sure what else.
She moved thru the fair.. melody is too beautiful for words.
Any references as to where you get that original text from?
... And then when we go back in music history "Carol" is a specific form of song. Not sure how it got tagged onto songs that we sing at Christmas time.
What is the mystical gift the magi brought?
During the Puritan Commonwealth, not everyone obeyed the anti-Christmas rules.
I have, in my family tree, an individual called William Winstanley, who had many faults, but kept Christmas, recorded Christmas traditions, some of which were quite odd, and gained the grandiose title of 'The man who saved Christmas.'
I understand that some of his writings came into the hands of Charles Dickens, by a roundabout route, and influenced him in A Christmas Carol.
A few have mentioned the Christmas / Advent hymn "Veni Redemptor Gentium" / Savior of the Nations, Come by St Ambrose of Milan.
Here's a translation in English that can be sung to the Lutheran tune, but tries to be more faithful to the original Latin than the common English translation:
Savior of the nations, come;
Offspring of the Virgin’s womb!
Every age will stand amazed
Birth of God fit to be praised.
Not conceived by human seed;
God’s breath exhaled mystically
And the Word of God was flesh,
Budding fruit of Maiden fresh
Virgin’s womb grows large with Child
While remaining undefiled!
Virtues shine like precious stones;
God is in her womb enthroned.
He was born of chastity,
Royal hall of purity.
Natures two in Person one,
Eager for His race to run.
From the Father forth He came
And returneth to the same,
Down through hell His path shall pass
To God’s throne in Heaven at last!
Co-eternal, God the Son,
In our flesh the victory won,
So our flesh may bear Thy grace
Strengthening our fallen race.
Manger shines out clear and bright
And the night exhales new Light
Night can never make it dim
Let us shine with faith in him
Glory to Thee, Jesus Lord!
Thou who art the Virgin-born!
Praise the Holy Trinity,
Ever and Eternally
Fr. Seraphim Aldea posted today and urged the exact same thing, to seek the oldest expressions of Christmas in the Theology of the early church.
Without music, it's not a carol. It's a poem or verse.