How I saw it. There is a limited range of how far a single emerald can get you. For example, black doom made it clear that he would need all seven emeralds to warp the black comet to earth.
Black Doom needed all seven emeralds, because he wanted to teleport the entire comet to earth. He needed all the energy more because of the sheer size off the comet. Not because of the distance imo.
Both you and bilierr are wrong. The other emeralds weren't needed for their teleportation capability. They were needed for their power supply, because what needed to be teleported in SA2 and Sh05 was too much workload/weight for a single emerald to handle.
The assumption here is that Shadow doesn't need a shuttle because he could just warp to the Ark. However, Shadow needs a shuttle to reach the Ark in Shadow the Hedgehog despite having 4 Chaos Emeralds and the fifth was inside the shuttle. This assumption that Shadow can just warp to the Ark is likely derived from Sonic Adventure 2. It is assumed Shadow warped to the Ark during the game, but it is never seen at any point. About the only argument that could be made is when Shadow warps away with Rouge, but all we see is him warping away. (Plus he has three Chaos Emeralds anyway.)
Here's my hypothesis: Shadow is making sure he has a way back. He's not a future seer, and he knows that the Black Arms aren't to be underestimated. He's not stupid, and he's not the type to make reckless overconfident mistakes at this point, he's a seasoned veteran. As such, should anything happen that causes Doom to be in possession of the Emeralds instead of him, he doesn't want to be abandoned on the Ark with no way home. By taking a shuttle, he's got a plan B for getting home in the event he's unable to maintain possession of the emerald.
He has the stamina for Chaos powers, but that doesnt mean he has the stamina to constantly abuse them. If he just showed up by teleporting hes going to be like Sonic where hes tiring himself out more than if he just moved to point A and easily took the ship he needed.
He will only be overconfident and make reckless decisions in the future after Sonic x shadow generations during the metal virus incident as apparently the idw comics are canon.
@IconPNG perhaps Flynn is going to say later that for long-distance teleportation, you require 3 chaos emeralds. And his chaos snap may need chaos emeralds to allow him to go far enough to reach space.
@@dr.curtisconnors3914 That would make more sense. Yet, it's crazy Ian made a mistake like that, not saying it badly, but I find it really curious. I fully trust Ian and I'm hoping he'll sort things out to give us fans what we want, since he is a fan too that went through almost the same as us.
@@kyurei4478 Within Control there is chaos, and within Chaos there is control… tbh I don’t even know where I’m even going with this, but it sounds philosophical af lol.
Let's assume Shadow can just teleport that distance with a single emerald. He probably can. I don't really doubt it. I say he wants to take a shuttle instead because he wants to conserve energy. He's expecting a high level threat, in his mind very possibly Black Doom. I imagine he wouldn't wanna run into a battle like that completely drained right off the bat.
Could also be he WANTS to take the time to strategize and come up with a plan. He's not like Sonic. Sure, he can improvise on the fly, but Shadow works best when he's had time to consider his options.
Oh I actually really like this idea. We've seen implications that he can get to Ark with a single emerald before, but we don't see it happen on screen, so he very well might be left tired for a moment afterwards similar to Sonic's first Chaos Control.
Wait, so you’re telling me that in sonic prime, shadow LANDED on the crystal, used time stop, and just carried it away while time is stopped? Cause that’s hilarious
"Ok Shadow, we stopped time, now how are we gonna get this giant space station back into orbit?" "I'll push it myself" "W-what?" "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH" _Shadow nearly died because of this..._
No one has used the emeralds more than sonic as hes been using them since the literal first game and hes also the only one in the series whos done anything with a fake emerald. In base form.
He just used them to go super. He doesn’t mess with the chaos control shit, I think he’d rather stick to what he knows because it works than fumble with it.
@billerrr Sonic never almost died bc of chaos control. What are you talking about? He got tired when using it at first but got the hang of it during his final fight with Shadow to beat him.
I can't be the only one that sees the clip and just thinks "OK, minor mistake, whatever"? People using it to cancel Ian Flynn cause "he's terrible at his job" is so whack to me.
A minor mistake is getting a name wrong. I'd say forgetting over half the time the emeralds are used to warp is pretty major. That said, I have no reason to cancel Flynn.
@@reserven5795 Nuh, let's be reasonable for a second. We all forget, ALL of us, anything, we can literally forget anything. I can't begin to count the times I've thought of something I adore in the wrong way or lacking some obvious context, later remembering and much later going "Wait what am I saying lol". Recent example, a friend and I were talking about Tails and Blaze and possible dynamics and scenarios they can find themselves in, just goofing around coming up with stories. We were trying so hard to establish a hypothetical dynamic for the duo and then we went "Woah, wait, they're literally both heavily featured in the Rush duology and Archie lol, even some of IDW" and realized we were being absolute goobers. An obvious and major oversight but simply a human one, and one we realized later on on our own. This appears to be that exact thing. He was probably thinking of the 06 Silver roundhouse kick, the Rivals duology abilities, the SA2 multiplayer usage, Forces and SxS and stuff and that's what came to mind, it's not that big of a deal
I used to think chaos control was only slowing down time as a kid, but we’ve gotten so much showing it warps space as well. Even in the animation you can see Shadow literally spamming and that little blue blip he does is EVERYWHERE. Glad everyone collectively decided to make it known that it is teleportation.
@@domncena77 I mean... SA2 has multiple showings of Chaos Control being used as teleportation. But It ISN'T just teleportation as it was used dozens of times to slow down and even freeze time. In fact 06 has shown it being used to time travel. Plus, the blue blip Shadow does can arguably be another ability called chaos snap. A skill that supposedly doesn't require an emerald and Shadow was shown using in 06 and Forces. It's essentially a short range teleport, weaker than the one Chaos Control provides ofc. It's unknown if Shadow actually DOES possess this ability as it's only mentioned in 06's manual. However, notice how Shadow doesn't say Chaos Control out loud when teleporting but he does when he picks up the emerald to stop time and destroy the missiles.
@@HAXRLITSXY he can't. Multiple sources state it(IDW comics, Sonic Prime, Takashi Iizuka on interviews, Ian Flynn on Bumblekast, Eggman's recent video on Shadow mentioning he uses an emerald to cast Chaos Control which implies he couldn't do without it, etc). Any use of Chaos Control without an emerald is likely a continuity error.
There technically is an official explanation. In the short story Chaos in the Shadows from the Japanese Sonic Channel, Shadow uses Chaos control to teleport an Eggman capsule that was ready to explode in the middle of a city. He sends it high above the skies were it explodes safely away from civilians. However, he regrets that the emerald didn’t have enough power to send it to space as he intended. At the end of the story, he even hands the emerald to Sonic claiming he has no use for an emerald that’s not at full power. So, basically, depending on how much energy an emerald has, it will affect the radius in which it’ll warp. If I’m not mistaken the short story also refers the emerald as a fake one too. But I’m not sure if that was some sort of mistranslation. Point is, real or fake, they need enough energy to make a massive trip that far.
Whoa! That is a revelation! It actually lines up pretty well, too. In SA2, the Chaos emeralds were in the presence of the Master Emerald. Maybe with its inclusion each of the Chaos emeralds were kept at full power until they were used to teleport the ARK!
The real chaos emeralds have been described as having unlimited power multiple times. Not that it can be tapped all at once, but they literally do not run out. There is just a limit of how much power can flow through them at a given time. So given the idea of an emerald not being at full power... i would only assume that it being a fake one is not a mistranslation.
@@shigaraja well, I went back and double checked to find a different translation by someone else, and this is what Shadow said about the emerald: “This Emerald is weak! Feels like that fake emerald Tails made. Perhaps if I gave it to a good-natured person, it will get the right powers back.” This was right after he gave it back to Sonic. So for the looks of it, the mistranslation was that he compared it to a fake one because it wasn’t at full power. Apparently, they do deplete after certain uses, it just takes a while to recharge.
@@shigaraja Courtesy of SA1, we know that the emeralds have two halves to their energies as well. Chaos absorbed the negative half, leaving sonic the other positive half to transform and take off after the monster Perfect Chaos. If Chaos was able to half the energy within the seven emeralds, then there must be a limit somewhere.
@jraulerson3081 also early on in SA1 Tails describes that he was testing the emerald as a power supply 'because' it was an unlimited source. Using half of an unlimited source... is still an unlimited source. It was more How they used it, not how much. Either way, the emeralds are limited to certain output, so there is no way to warp to the ARK with just one Emerald.
Yeah Ian did seem to forget Sonic teleporting, and I guess I could buy maybe one emerald isn't enough to warp to the moon. Sonic's feat with the capsule doesn't inherently contradict the idea since he was still in space hurlding towards the atmosphere, which is still a closer distance to the ark, than the surface of the planet. And it's likely assumed that Chaos Control only improves with the number of emeralds involved given with two it can do time travel. With that in mind, so long as nothing in Shadow Gens outright destroys those notions, no harm no foul I guess.
I'm just going to say that this Rocket plot was done for the sake of writing so it isn't even that bad too, but also keep in mind that he can and has used chaos control without any emerald, ergo Sonic X Generations too. Also, to Ian's own claim we've seen Shadow gain massive speed buff, flying through a level, so one could assume he could do that narratively... It's kind of harder to write a character that runs into the Superman problem.
You should have stopped at the first comma and replaced it with a period. Everything after that is just gonna cause unnecessary confusion, and you're referring to outliers. The general rule is that Shadow needs an emerald for chaos control, and that is predominantly true which is what matters. Snap is the only one he can consistently always do without an emerald (and I wouldn't be surprised if some new hires/writers get them mixed up over the years).
Without need for help, "you'll find more people you can trust" wouldn't happen, Rouge and Abe's dialog wouldn't happen either since Shadow wouldn't meet anyone. It would be only epidoe 1 and teleporting at the end, at best instead of a cool trilogy and emotional build up about a certain girl. If he could just sneeze and be there, it's an impressive feat, but also a very boring one...Sometimes the explaination is a simple as that.
@windy3935 Alright, bub, you can just not read the rest if you want, so that's on you. Also, the rest is in context to the video itself, and my guy, it's been in 05, 06, and funnily enough, Shadow Generations. Yall motherfuckas seem to forget he has 4 inhibitor rings (tbf 2) because of his natural chaos energy being so much.
i think the reason why they also didn't have shadow use multiple chaos emeralds to go to the ark this time is because if he's right, which he was, and the black arms and black doom have returned, he practically would've been delivering the chaos emeralds to him if he managed to defeat or manipulate shadow.
I mean, he could just throw one or two at Earth the second he gets up there. Hell if the end of SA2 is anything to go off of, he could Chaos control 2 Emeralds back down to Earth, or at least close enough for gravity to do the work.
@@Sone01TheFirstwell also going off sa2 it took like 4 emeralds to reach the ark, thats almost all of them. even if he managed to send all but one back to earth who knows if black doom could track them, either way it's best to keep as few away from him as possible, and they chose the fewest.
@@dg7347 I don't buy SonicHub's example for his explanation in regards to teleporting from Prison Island, every single time Sonic, Shadow and Silver always been shown to perform Chaos Control while holding the chaos emeralds or being while in a super form. And even if it still takes multiple emeralds to get up to the Ark, my point still stands. Take the second or two to throw the Emeralds back down to earth, it's not like Black Doom is gonna leap at them at super sonic speed like some fucking gremlin(I would die laughing if they did that though).
@@Sone01TheFirst yeah black doom wouldn't dive at them but he is able to use chaos control as well. in shadow 05 he teleported himself and shadow to sky troops, assuming it's pretty far, with just two emeralds and the entire black comet with all seven pretty effortlessly. yeah shadow in his super form did it too but it looked like shadow had to really concentrate to pull it off.
There's also the possibility that Shadow could warp to the ARK, but with only one emerald it would tire him out. And unlike SA2 where the ARK was acting as a base and didn't have any threats to him, this time he's going to the ARK expecting a fight and wants to conserve his power for that fight.
I'm my headcanon, in SA2 anything that an emerald did that wasn't transforming someone into a super form was called chaos control. Then, as the games went on, each emerald technique was improved and given its own name. For example, chaos snap could be an evolution of the teleport that was just called chaos control
Chaos Control was such a mystery to me when I first heard of it as a little kid. As I got older and saw it being utilized more and more, I understood why its so important for Shadow to have access to. As far as "Dark Beginnings" goes, though, I agree with you that because Shadow only had one Chaos Emerald, it and the Chaos energy coursing through his body wasn't enough to teleport himself up into space safely. And, being that it was nighttime, it was too dark for him to go searching for one or two more emeralds. I'm super glad Ian Flynn admitted to his mistake regarding the extent of this power and what it allows Shadow to do since I'd rather see Chaos Control become more powerful instead of less
Also on un-UNrelated note My theory as to the rocket is that maybe shadow is planning on bringing stuff with/back with him when he arrives on the ark maybe supplies or something?
This is not the first time Shadow has used a rocket ship. Remember Shadow the Hedgehog? Shadow hitched a ride with Sonic to the Ark on a rocket ship. Perhaps chaos control has a range limit? As for how team dark got on board of the Ark in SA2 without a rocket ship, Dr. Eggman clearly had a teleporter to do so.
I always saw it as "the more chaos emeralds you have, the less energy you yourself have to spend". So basically you CAN warp that distance with 1 emerald, but it would cost A LOT of energy (which Shadows believes he needs to fight whatever is on The Ark). Think back at SA2. Sonic could use the power with a fake emerald. Basically meaning the ability is innate to anyone who has come in contact with the emeralds at some point. But it cost sonic A LOOOT of energy to do so.
I don’t think Shadow necessarily needs a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Control, because we’ve seen him use it without one many times, including during the events of SA2. But I think it works in line with the theory you had at the end of the video where more Chaos Emeralds amplify and refine the efficiency of Chaos Control. Edit: “The Emeralds amplify the space-time control powers of Chaos Control.” - Black Doom, Shadow the Hedgehog (2005) All cases of confirmed Chaos Control usage without an Emerald (that I know of): During the battle with Sonic on the ARK in Sonic Adventure 2. During the final story of Shadow the Hedgehog on the Black Comet.
@Sarge327 The maybe official, probably it's the case line from Sega officials is he needs a chaos emerald to do chaos control. But they want the powers to be convenient for storytelling at times.
On TailsTube Shadow said Chaos Control is impossible without a Chaos Emerald which means everytime he used it like in Forces he had a Chaos Emerald on him
It’s possible that it could’ve been just Chaos Snap, a weaker version of Chaos Control that doesn’t require an emerald to supposedly warp. Maybe they didn’t have a proper name for it or even a concrete established lore since Shadow was supposed to die at the end.
It’s definitely has to warp time AND space Sonic and Shadow both had to use their super forms with the power of the chaos emeralds to warp the space colony ark which resulted in so much power loss that shadow fainted Even if shadow could travel to space with one chaos emerald it probably would take too much energy
Well you guys are forgetting that shadow used 3 chaos emeralds to teleport to the ark. I believe one emerald isn't enough to teleport that great of a distance.
@@sonic92889 Not true, the first time Shadow talked to Eggman, he tell the doctor to meet him in the Ark, wich o can assume that he used chaos control to reach the ark.
Also if black doom is back. Can't he theoretically bend space time which means shadow can't warp to the ark because the space time there is distorted. Basically a perfect barrier for chaos control.
My hot take is that Chaos Control is a skill that can either warp the user or another object/living thing a certain distance based on how much power (either stored energy or Emerald count). The slowing down time is what the user experiences when they’re teleporting a short distance because they’re moving so quickly that every thing else either seems really slow or just not moving, and nonusers perceive the user teleporting due to the whole relativity theory. It overall comes in two flavors. Short range teleportation (user experiences outward slow down of surroundings) or instantaneous teleportation that moves the user a large distance. Think Instant Transmission from the Dragon Ball series.
Let’s say hypothetically it can’t really warp, in Shadow’s game he takes on a blue form called Hero Shadow when using Chaos Control, this can be seen as time stopped while Shadow flies. Hero Shadow is essentially a weaker version of his gold form. Sonic X did something similar when Sonic had two Emeralds and was enough to make him fly with a gold aura without fully transforming. This could work for Sonic escaping the capsule.
I thought this was always implied, the emeralds just increase the power of the abilities. That is why Black doom needed all 7 chaos emerald to teleport his meteor to earth, Sonic and shadow needed 7 to teleport the ARK.
Iann should've just said that using chaos control consumes energy, and more objects/longer distance it can get so energy ineffective, that it will be better to not use if possible. Sonic after warp felt on edge. Sonic 06 time travel used 2 hedgehogs and 2 emeralds. Sonic adventure 2 used 2 supers to teleport arc
The way I see it: if it takes a certain amount of Chaos energy (the combined power of 7) to warp away the Ark while in space, it would take an even greater amount of energy (Shadow only has 1 Emerald) to cross the distance from the surface of Earth to the Ark's current location
Ian was answering verbally in a podcast and, remember, he was a fan of the series before writing for the comics and now the games. He didn't create Chaos Control. He's just giving his on-the-spot interpretation of it. He's wrong. He, yes, caught himself in a slip up and still posted that tweet as well. lol Chaos Control warps time and space, it controls time and space. So yes, it can stop time, travel through time, zip through and teleport through different placements in space. EVERY use of Chaos Control does something that falls under this. lol
Chaos control was by most media considered a ability to warp time and space but its not limitless, despite calling chaos energy limitless one emerald can only give so much energy, there is a reason why black doom required all 7 emeralds to warp black comet to earth surface or when shadow was trying to save Rouge she had extra emeralds on hand so when he teleported to her he could use those to gain more range or despite having all seven emeralds in super form shadow was weakend after using Chaos control on ARK together with sonic, we don't really know the potential or limit to chaos powers
The only thing that disproves the 'needs more than one chaos emeralds theory is shadow teleporting both himself and metal sonic out of a separate dimension using just one emerald in sonic rivals 2. My personal headcanon is that shadow is subconsciously trying to take as long as possible to get to the ark to prepare himself for any memories, I mean imagine if he immediately teleports to the ark and is ambushed by black doom while having the flashback to Maria he had in ep 3.
Ian’s chaos control reason does actually make sense, as Shadow can move while time stops, but it doesn’t explain why Black Doom can just warp the Black Comet to Earth using Chaos Control
I like to think Chaos Control is a base move of reality manipulation, but depending on the user's intentions for it, it can be used to do the various things it's been used for like moving objects throughout space or time travel or slowing time.
@SonicHub you are 100% correct. Between Shadow and Rouge, they had 4 chaos emeralds (Rouge’s 3 are even visible) when he uses Chaos Control to travel from Prison Island to the ARK.
Chaos Snap is teleportation. Chaos Control is time stop. Who says that Chaos Snap can't be used during Chaos Control (it can be seen in gameplay videos) or is stronger with the emerald in hand? Also, in my opinion, I'm pretty sure Shadow can't teleport to the Ark from the planet, but maybe having more than 1 emerald makes it possible.
That makes sense, there was a scene in shadow the hedgehog where sonic used a space ship to take shadow to the ark and I think he had a few chaos emeralds on him if I remember the level layout correctly. Either way I’m glad chaos control isn’t retconned
Fans: "Wait--how can it warp time AND space? Those are two completely different things!" Theoretical physicists: "And that's where you're wrong, buddy."
I do think the "multiple Chaos Emeralds increased the warp range" theory is a pretty strong one! Cuz in the ending of Shadow the Hedgehog 2005, Shadow warped the entire Black Comet into range of the ARK/Eclipse Cannon, which Shadow fired at the Black Comet. All while having all seven Emeralds. Then that brings the SA2's ending into account, but I'm just focusing on Shadow '05 at the moment.
He’s going to fight Black Doom who has a history of snatching an entire set of Chaos Emerald’s from Shadow. So what happens if Shadow gets up there with an emerald, loses it to BD, and then has no way back. He’s just stuck up there as BD uses the emerald to get what he wants.
I really like this theory. It fits the lore, doesn't break the established mechanics of the power, and more importantly doesn't disrespect our shared ability to have common sense.
I will say that SINCE SA2 that Chaos Control has never been used in such a way that it couldn't be a form of rapid movement through time manipulation, as far as I can remember. Though the multiple Emeralds for greater effect thing makes sense because it would explain Super Sonic and Super Shadow- forms that need 7 emeralds- being able to warp the Arc. That said it does absolutely mean the Warp Topaz is inherently better as a travel utility since there's just one and it can just generate worm holes.
Everytime I saw him with the “emerald” I was mainly thinking he’s manifesting his chaos powers and then uses it. Even the other times when Shadow is warping he doesn’t have a chaos emerald (just thinking the fight with Infinite). I don’t know though but just the way I see it if Shadow has a chaos emeralds with him and could’ve used it to teleport to the Ark, he would’ve done so after the vision but he chose to take a shuttle to conserve energy or whatever.
when I saw the emerald that shadow has is yellow I immediately thought oh maybe that's the artificial emerald from SA2 because with items as powerful as the chaos emeralds, so powerful they can make emeralds a different color than green, you'd think they would be locked up tight somewhere instead of letting someone just carry one around with them but that's just me
Idk, shadow literally warps between dimensions in Sonic Rivals with a single Chaos Emerald if i recall. He should b more than capable of teleporting to the arc with one.
Here's my interpretation: Chaos Energy is the force of instabilizing anything abstract, including space, time and even things like memories and physical pain, in other words, it's chaos in physical form. The Chaos Emeralds and Master Emerald are gems that contain said energy, which lets its users have a direct access to it and the more gems you have, the more energy (and harder to contain, more on it later). Chaos Control requires only 1 emerald because it has enough chaos energy to let the user *control* it, but in exchange, it has its own limits too, such as range or control over the thing you're instabilizing, for example, if you instabilize space, you can't control where you warp to, if you instablize time, you can't control how long it takes, in which after you have to let the emerald some time to regain some of the used energy back (like a battery). The Master Emerald is stronger than all 7 Chaos Emeralds combined, consider it can either amplify their strength or nullify them completely, which is why with it alone you can turn super form (more about super forms later) like mecha sonic, but the problem is, due to it containing much more chaos energy than all 7, it is even harder to control, which is why mecha sonic was often back to its own normal form before regaining back energy during the fight. The super form is a result of the user taking so much chaos energy they end up glowing, their body is now practically instabilized, letting them do things like completely ignore gravity (hence flying), almost completely negate all attacks and it is so short lived that it requires rings to maintain, super sonic 2 could only exist because the corruption was only controllable once power is obtained by the master king koco was given but was only executable during his instabilization with the chaos emeralds, and hyper sonic was a result of EVEN MORE chaos energy due to them being amplified into the super emeralds. If we go a bit more scientific, the chaos energy is derived by positive and negative energy which is handled by the user's emotions, when perfect chaos took all the negative energy from the emeralds, sonic took the positive, and due to shadow's past, I believe he often used the negative energy during his chaos controls, but during the finalhazard, he used the positive energy, then again in heroes and shadow 05 it was negative energy because he was confused about his own identity, but at the end of shadow 05, it was positive again.
Chaos control can be used for everything it is reality manipulation like in the movies sonic literally spawned a chili dog but in most cases it is used to warp time
I'd like to agree with you. But in SA1, Shadow was able to get to the ARK after stealing the Green emerald. This was before he knew about Eggman's base, the teleporter, or the shuttle. Assuming he didn't take the emerald Eggman that had used to release Shadow, how did he get to the ARK with only one emerald?
Maybe we can just retroactively say that each emerald allows for a different type of chaos control? We do have super stars to tell us that they have different abilities now and all it would require is retconning what emerald shadow was holding.
He didn't have one, he had two. He also had the Emerald Eggman used to free him from Prison Island. We all jus slept on that Emerald & forgot about it tho
You know, I did have this question, but didn't think to much about. In all of the Reactions I was watching for Dark Beginnings, no one was questioning it. So I decided to let it go, since I didn't want to ruin the whole story. My thought was that using Chaos Control to get to the ARK might've alerted Black Doom, or got Shadow caught in a trap. Doesn't complete sense, since a rocket ship isn't exactly stealthy, but it was an idea. Alternatively, maybe Black Doom's command over Chaos Control somehow allowed him to block other Chaos Control related travel, or the Time Eater was somehow interfering, so it couldn't help Shadow
It's quite possible that the power of a single Emerald wouldn't cut it in regards to a trip that far (Chaos Control's broken enough ALREADY, limitations make sense). At first I questioned things too considerin' he got to the ARK perfectly fine in SA2.......until I remembered he actually had TWO Emeralds at that point & not just one. In fact, everytime we know of in which Shadow teleported to the ARK, he always had access to more than just 1 Emerald.
My theory is that Shadow has a Fake Emerald Tails made in SA2 to have access to Chaos abilities at all times, but either he wouldn't risk using it for Chaos Control/Blast since it could weaken him for a bit or it's not powerful enough for him to do so (Yes I know, Sonic used it for Chaos Control in cutscene, but let's pin it as special case for now, and no, we don't count their fight since Shadow had 0 Emeralds on hand and he teleport, just gamplay muble-jumble).
Black Doom literally used Chaos Control to warp Shadow to different levels in Shadow the Hedgehog (2005) without using any Emeralds, sometimes through projections alone, without physically being in front of Shadow. Black Doom also confirmed that the Chaos Emeralds are merely for amplification. He needed all seven to amplify his Chaos Control to warp the Black Comet down to Earth due to its massive size. Super Shadow also used Chaos Control to warp the Comet back into space. In the boss fight, Devil Doom used Chaos Control without any Emeralds to teleport. Speaking of boss fights, Shadow used Chaos Control to teleport while fighting Sonic in Sonic Adventure 2 without a Chaos Emerald. Yet, Ian Flynn just finished writing Shadow Generations and should have Shadow 05 fresh in his mind. Also, not a single reference from Shadow 05 was used in this video especially when their is a scene with Shadow using Chaos Control to teleport to the Ark before first meeting the GUN Commander. Black Doom also used Chaos Control to teleport Shadow to the ark in said game.
Black Doom's also over 2,000 years old, he's had more than enough time to fully master the technique to its full potential without an Emerald aside from limitations outside of his control (no pun intended). In regards to the cutscene with the Commander, for 2 of the levels that can lead up to that cutscene (Space Gadget & Lost Impact), Shadow's already aboard the ARK. In the case of the other level, Iron Jungle, Shadow had like, 5 Emeralds on hand by the time you reach that point of the game (2 of which are from the first level alone), so he's not teleportin' without an Emerald. The only time in the game Shadow uses Chaos Control without an Emerald is in The Last Way.
@@themenacingsloth Thanks and yeah, I forgot to Mention The Last Way which Chaos Control's teleportation is the only way to progress and Shadow has no emerald. Shadow himself notes in gameplay he has to use it. other characters tell him to as well. So far Shadow and Black Doom it's just for amplification but like you reminded me Black Doom is over 2K years old so he'd be more of a Master.
Problem with the idea that he needs more than 1 emerald to reach the Ark via Chaos Control - again in SA2 he makes his way there easily after stealing the green emerald. This is when his interactions with Eggman have been essentially as brief as "thanks for waking me up, go to Ark and bring Chaos Emeralds" and then just left to go on his own until they meet up on the Ark, so we know he didn't get up there with Eggman's help. The obvious answer has always been he can get back with at least one emerald. It may not has been as large a distance as going from Earth to Ark, but Sonic's Chaos Control still let him cover a pretty large distance with a fake emerald and he was as inexperienced with it as you really could be while still able to pull it off. Maybe Shadow just isn't in the right headspace to warp that far atm, maybe he's worried that Black Doom might detect his presence if he teleports there, or maybe if Doom is there he could mess with the chaos control somehow. It would have been great to have a throwaway line to hear why Shadow insists on getting there by ship, could have easily had that instead of Rogue recapping how GUN funded Shadow and then sealed him away. Even without that though, that scene in the shuttle is more than enough to justify its inclusion, I just wish this little plot hole wasn't gnawing at the back of my mind when I was watching episode 3.
Shadow could've just collected more chaos emeralds if the power of the one emerald isn't enough for such a great distance. Rocket plan was just Rouge's suggestion that came at the right time, collecting chaos emeralds might take a longer process of searching for them which Shadow didn't had patience for at that moment.
Imo, Shadow can use chaos control without an emerald but with many limitations. He needs the emeralds to make it more powerful. Just like another commenter said, black doom needed all the chaos emeralds to warp the black comet to earth due to the size and distance.
when Shadow teleported with the green chaos emerald the next scene we see him he's already at the ark and he said to eggman "I've been waiting for u, Doctor" basically as soon as the Shadow got the green emerald he just went to the ark and basically waited for eggman to get there I saw people saying that he could have taken eggman's rocket or even the space transporter, but I feel like they didn't exchange any information about anything after Shadow just left eggman there, since eggman didn't even know he was gonna steal a chaos emerald, if eggman was like "oh at my base there's a space transporter, if u need it" they could also just go together and Shadow explain the plan middleway, but nah, to me it's clearly a plot hole (one that annoyed me a lot, since everything else in dark beginnings is just so perfect lol)
Always figured the effectiveness of an emerald's power was dependant on its user. What may require six or all seven for one person may only require two or three for another based on experience or biology.
Okay, so I do think Ian could be right, that there was a passage of time between the scenes where Shadow saves Rouge and when they appear on the ARK. However, Rouge was in a locked room. That was why she was in trouble in the first place. In order to get in and out, Shadow would have needed to teleport. However, there is clearly a limit to his teleportation seen here. He didn't teleport directly to Rouge. First, he needed to close the distance by passing through the jungle. Maybe he can't teleport to places he can't see? Don't know. But yeah. On Prison Island, Shadow definitely teleported himself and Rouge out of harm's way. Then Sonic was able to use the fake Emerald to Chaos Control back to the ARK.
Well from what I can put in Shadow shoe that he wants to be cautious as Chaos control consume alot of energy and Shadow didn’t want to waste too much energy as when Sonic first use chaos control, he was left exhausted from it if possibly nearly knock out the user. So he wants to fight at his best with the probability black arm are ready for an ambush and he needs his A game on to intercept it. Chaos control is versatile technique, but consume alot of power, depending the situation and knowledge of using it.
7:42 Black Doom: The emeralds applify the Space-time control powers of Chaos Control. (He said it. NOT me) Alhough the Biolizard uses NO Chaos Emeralds to warp outside of the Ark. Also HOW did Shadow beat Eggman to the Ark at the beginning of the story (after his fight with Sonic) with JUST ONE emerald? Did Gerald have a secret space ship? Did he hitch a ride with Eggman on HIS spaceship, even though he says "I'll be waiting for you", as if he has his own way there?? Did Eggman NOT use his teleporter, like he and Rogue do later to get there?? (To result in Eggman taking his own spaceship a.k.a the ship Sonic uses??) These are the only "IFFY" parts, as Black Doom needs all SEVEN to warp the comet down to the surface. (More emeralds = More teleport power) He says himself, it can't penetrait another planet's atmosphere, so it HAS to warp. (Stopping time wouldn't work. Imagine Black Doom running outside and pushing the Comet then floating back to the Ark just explain what happened 😅😂) "It's the PERFECT Plaaaaan"
I had actually thought of that before, with the more emeralds you have, the longer the reach is. I’m gonna stick with that head-canon, but there is something contradicting it that I saw someone point out. At the end of Sonic Rivals 2, with just *one single emerald* from Metal Sonic, Shadow used Chaos Control to teleport them out of that alternate dimension back into their original one. WITH ONE EMERALD, he was able to warp between dimensions, so it’s hard to believe he couldn’t warp to the ark. But maybe we don’t know all the factors behind that Rivals finale? Idk man, it’s weird, but this explanation you gave is the best compromise there is lol
Theres actually an even simpler reason. They just wanted to make the animation of team dark breaking into a base. But in lore yea number of emeralds increasing power fits perfectly
How I saw it. There is a limited range of how far a single emerald can get you. For example, black doom made it clear that he would need all seven emeralds to warp the black comet to earth.
Sonic adventure 2 showed that too
And in Sonic Rivals 2, Shadow used 1 emerald to travel through dimensions. There was never really a limited range.
Black Doom needed all seven emeralds, because he wanted to teleport the entire comet to earth.
He needed all the energy more because of the sheer size off the comet. Not because of the distance imo.
Both you and bilierr are wrong. The other emeralds weren't needed for their teleportation capability. They were needed for their power supply, because what needed to be teleported in SA2 and Sh05 was too much workload/weight for a single emerald to handle.
The assumption here is that Shadow doesn't need a shuttle because he could just warp to the Ark. However, Shadow needs a shuttle to reach the Ark in Shadow the Hedgehog despite having 4 Chaos Emeralds and the fifth was inside the shuttle.
This assumption that Shadow can just warp to the Ark is likely derived from Sonic Adventure 2. It is assumed Shadow warped to the Ark during the game, but it is never seen at any point.
About the only argument that could be made is when Shadow warps away with Rouge, but all we see is him warping away. (Plus he has three Chaos Emeralds anyway.)
Here's my hypothesis: Shadow is making sure he has a way back. He's not a future seer, and he knows that the Black Arms aren't to be underestimated. He's not stupid, and he's not the type to make reckless overconfident mistakes at this point, he's a seasoned veteran. As such, should anything happen that causes Doom to be in possession of the Emeralds instead of him, he doesn't want to be abandoned on the Ark with no way home. By taking a shuttle, he's got a plan B for getting home in the event he's unable to maintain possession of the emerald.
He has the stamina for Chaos powers, but that doesnt mean he has the stamina to constantly abuse them. If he just showed up by teleporting hes going to be like Sonic where hes tiring himself out more than if he just moved to point A and easily took the ship he needed.
He will only be overconfident and make reckless decisions in the future after Sonic x shadow generations during the metal virus incident as apparently the idw comics are canon.
@IconPNG perhaps Flynn is going to say later that for long-distance teleportation, you require 3 chaos emeralds. And his chaos snap may need chaos emeralds to allow him to go far enough to reach space.
@@dr.curtisconnors3914 That would make more sense. Yet, it's crazy Ian made a mistake like that, not saying it badly, but I find it really curious. I fully trust Ian and I'm hoping he'll sort things out to give us fans what we want, since he is a fan too that went through almost the same as us.
@@IconPNG yeah reading idw I got an impression that he is this sonic lore guru who knows literally everything
It’s called CHAOS control. Of course lore surrounding it is gonna be chaotic.
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Yes… we must CONTROL it.
I love your guys’ humor!
Sorry to break the joke but it's called chaos CONTROL. Which means the lore is supposed to be under control 😜.
@@kyurei4478 Within Control there is chaos, and within Chaos there is control… tbh I don’t even know where I’m even going with this, but it sounds philosophical af lol.
Let's assume Shadow can just teleport that distance with a single emerald. He probably can. I don't really doubt it. I say he wants to take a shuttle instead because he wants to conserve energy. He's expecting a high level threat, in his mind very possibly Black Doom. I imagine he wouldn't wanna run into a battle like that completely drained right off the bat.
I like this idea
or you can handwave it by ARK having anti teleport field because of time distortion or something
He could also expect to not have enough energy to warp back after his fight and would use the rocket to return to Earth
Could also be he WANTS to take the time to strategize and come up with a plan. He's not like Sonic. Sure, he can improvise on the fly, but Shadow works best when he's had time to consider his options.
Oh I actually really like this idea. We've seen implications that he can get to Ark with a single emerald before, but we don't see it happen on screen, so he very well might be left tired for a moment afterwards similar to Sonic's first Chaos Control.
"It transforms your thoughts into power!" - Blaze to Silver. That's what Chaos Control is in my eyes
"Don't think sexy thoughts." - Homer the Simpson
i love that game lol
"give me back my thing"
@@cooperhayes1194 "I'm a lean mean speed thingy!"
thats what using the chaos emeralds do in general
Wait, so you’re telling me that in sonic prime, shadow LANDED on the crystal, used time stop, and just carried it away while time is stopped? Cause that’s hilarious
lol
"Ok Shadow, we stopped time, now how are we gonna get this giant space station back into orbit?"
"I'll push it myself"
"W-what?"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH"
_Shadow nearly died because of this..._
@JM57-99 Shadow is immortal. Without immortality he would be able to take the burden of Maria’s disease. But we both know what happened.
Hilarious!
Black Doom: [Whistles while pushing the Black Comet to Earth by hand before returning to the heroes to finish his villain monologue]
A jewel containing the ultimate power
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Hooray! You’re the first comment without saying first! :D
not my best friend being the top comment
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When you think of Chaos Control you think of Shadow but its funny that other characters like Sonic and Silver have also used Chaos Control.
But they notoriously suck at it. Super sonic using chaos control nearly killed him. The only move they can do is chaos control.
No one has used the emeralds more than sonic as hes been using them since the literal first game and hes also the only one in the series whos done anything with a fake emerald. In base form.
He just used them to go super. He doesn’t mess with the chaos control shit, I think he’d rather stick to what he knows because it works than fumble with it.
Shadow can use it without the emerald
@billerrr
Sonic never almost died bc of chaos control. What are you talking about? He got tired when using it at first but got the hang of it during his final fight with Shadow to beat him.
I can't be the only one that sees the clip and just thinks "OK, minor mistake, whatever"? People using it to cancel Ian Flynn cause "he's terrible at his job" is so whack to me.
Sonic twitter is mentally ill and that is all the explanation you need.
A minor mistake is getting a name wrong.
I'd say forgetting over half the time the emeralds are used to warp is pretty major.
That said, I have no reason to cancel Flynn.
@@reserven5795 Even though he has used Chaos Control with no Emerald more than once
@@reserven5795 Nuh, let's be reasonable for a second. We all forget, ALL of us, anything, we can literally forget anything. I can't begin to count the times I've thought of something I adore in the wrong way or lacking some obvious context, later remembering and much later going "Wait what am I saying lol". Recent example, a friend and I were talking about Tails and Blaze and possible dynamics and scenarios they can find themselves in, just goofing around coming up with stories. We were trying so hard to establish a hypothetical dynamic for the duo and then we went "Woah, wait, they're literally both heavily featured in the Rush duology and Archie lol, even some of IDW" and realized we were being absolute goobers. An obvious and major oversight but simply a human one, and one we realized later on on our own.
This appears to be that exact thing. He was probably thinking of the 06 Silver roundhouse kick, the Rivals duology abilities, the SA2 multiplayer usage, Forces and SxS and stuff and that's what came to mind, it's not that big of a deal
ian flynn is overhated fr. People always find a reason to cancel him
I used to think chaos control was only slowing down time as a kid, but we’ve gotten so much showing it warps space as well. Even in the animation you can see Shadow literally spamming and that little blue blip he does is EVERYWHERE. Glad everyone collectively decided to make it known that it is teleportation.
That's chaos snap which is one of shadow's regular abilities he can do without a chaos emerald
@@domncena77 I mean... SA2 has multiple showings of Chaos Control being used as teleportation. But It ISN'T just teleportation as it was used dozens of times to slow down and even freeze time. In fact 06 has shown it being used to time travel. Plus, the blue blip Shadow does can arguably be another ability called chaos snap. A skill that supposedly doesn't require an emerald and Shadow was shown using in 06 and Forces. It's essentially a short range teleport, weaker than the one Chaos Control provides ofc. It's unknown if Shadow actually DOES possess this ability as it's only mentioned in 06's manual. However, notice how Shadow doesn't say Chaos Control out loud when teleporting but he does when he picks up the emerald to stop time and destroy the missiles.
@@lexx3371 tbf he can use chaos control without an emerald.
@@HAXRLITSXY he can't. Multiple sources state it(IDW comics, Sonic Prime, Takashi Iizuka on interviews, Ian Flynn on Bumblekast, Eggman's recent video on Shadow mentioning he uses an emerald to cast Chaos Control which implies he couldn't do without it, etc). Any use of Chaos Control without an emerald is likely a continuity error.
@@AtomicoMacaco more like a straight up nerf if you ask me
There technically is an official explanation. In the short story Chaos in the Shadows from the Japanese Sonic Channel, Shadow uses Chaos control to teleport an Eggman capsule that was ready to explode in the middle of a city. He sends it high above the skies were it explodes safely away from civilians. However, he regrets that the emerald didn’t have enough power to send it to space as he intended. At the end of the story, he even hands the emerald to Sonic claiming he has no use for an emerald that’s not at full power.
So, basically, depending on how much energy an emerald has, it will affect the radius in which it’ll warp. If I’m not mistaken the short story also refers the emerald as a fake one too. But I’m not sure if that was some sort of mistranslation.
Point is, real or fake, they need enough energy to make a massive trip that far.
Whoa! That is a revelation! It actually lines up pretty well, too. In SA2, the Chaos emeralds were in the presence of the Master Emerald. Maybe with its inclusion each of the Chaos emeralds were kept at full power until they were used to teleport the ARK!
The real chaos emeralds have been described as having unlimited power multiple times. Not that it can be tapped all at once, but they literally do not run out. There is just a limit of how much power can flow through them at a given time.
So given the idea of an emerald not being at full power... i would only assume that it being a fake one is not a mistranslation.
@@shigaraja well, I went back and double checked to find a different translation by someone else, and this is what Shadow said about the emerald:
“This Emerald is weak! Feels like that fake emerald Tails made. Perhaps if I gave it to a good-natured person, it will get the right powers back.”
This was right after he gave it back to Sonic. So for the looks of it, the mistranslation was that he compared it to a fake one because it wasn’t at full power. Apparently, they do deplete after certain uses, it just takes a while to recharge.
@@shigaraja Courtesy of SA1, we know that the emeralds have two halves to their energies as well. Chaos absorbed the negative half, leaving sonic the other positive half to transform and take off after the monster Perfect Chaos. If Chaos was able to half the energy within the seven emeralds, then there must be a limit somewhere.
@jraulerson3081 also early on in SA1 Tails describes that he was testing the emerald as a power supply 'because' it was an unlimited source. Using half of an unlimited source... is still an unlimited source. It was more How they used it, not how much.
Either way, the emeralds are limited to certain output, so there is no way to warp to the ARK with just one Emerald.
Yeah Ian did seem to forget Sonic teleporting, and I guess I could buy maybe one emerald isn't enough to warp to the moon. Sonic's feat with the capsule doesn't inherently contradict the idea since he was still in space hurlding towards the atmosphere, which is still a closer distance to the ark, than the surface of the planet. And it's likely assumed that Chaos Control only improves with the number of emeralds involved given with two it can do time travel.
With that in mind, so long as nothing in Shadow Gens outright destroys those notions, no harm no foul I guess.
1:33 Shadow's poor poor ankles!
I'm just going to say that this Rocket plot was done for the sake of writing so it isn't even that bad too, but also keep in mind that he can and has used chaos control without any emerald, ergo Sonic X Generations too. Also, to Ian's own claim we've seen Shadow gain massive speed buff, flying through a level, so one could assume he could do that narratively... It's kind of harder to write a character that runs into the Superman problem.
You should have stopped at the first comma and replaced it with a period. Everything after that is just gonna cause unnecessary confusion, and you're referring to outliers. The general rule is that Shadow needs an emerald for chaos control, and that is predominantly true which is what matters. Snap is the only one he can consistently always do without an emerald (and I wouldn't be surprised if some new hires/writers get them mixed up over the years).
Without need for help, "you'll find more people you can trust" wouldn't happen, Rouge and Abe's dialog wouldn't happen either since Shadow wouldn't meet anyone. It would be only epidoe 1 and teleporting at the end, at best instead of a cool trilogy and emotional build up about a certain girl.
If he could just sneeze and be there, it's an impressive feat, but also a very boring one...Sometimes the explaination is a simple as that.
@windy3935 Alright, bub, you can just not read the rest if you want, so that's on you. Also, the rest is in context to the video itself, and my guy, it's been in 05, 06, and funnily enough, Shadow Generations. Yall motherfuckas seem to forget he has 4 inhibitor rings (tbf 2) because of his natural chaos energy being so much.
@@renookami4651 Straight facts doggy dog.
i think the reason why they also didn't have shadow use multiple chaos emeralds to go to the ark this time is because if he's right, which he was, and the black arms and black doom have returned, he practically would've been delivering the chaos emeralds to him if he managed to defeat or manipulate shadow.
I mean, he could just throw one or two at Earth the second he gets up there. Hell if the end of SA2 is anything to go off of, he could Chaos control 2 Emeralds back down to Earth, or at least close enough for gravity to do the work.
@@Sone01TheFirstwell also going off sa2 it took like 4 emeralds to reach the ark, thats almost all of them. even if he managed to send all but one back to earth who knows if black doom could track them, either way it's best to keep as few away from him as possible, and they chose the fewest.
@@dg7347 I don't buy SonicHub's example for his explanation in regards to teleporting from Prison Island, every single time Sonic, Shadow and Silver always been shown to perform Chaos Control while holding the chaos emeralds or being while in a super form. And even if it still takes multiple emeralds to get up to the Ark, my point still stands. Take the second or two to throw the Emeralds back down to earth, it's not like Black Doom is gonna leap at them at super sonic speed like some fucking gremlin(I would die laughing if they did that though).
@@Sone01TheFirst yeah black doom wouldn't dive at them but he is able to use chaos control as well. in shadow 05 he teleported himself and shadow to sky troops, assuming it's pretty far, with just two emeralds and the entire black comet with all seven pretty effortlessly. yeah shadow in his super form did it too but it looked like shadow had to really concentrate to pull it off.
There's also the possibility that Shadow could warp to the ARK, but with only one emerald it would tire him out. And unlike SA2 where the ARK was acting as a base and didn't have any threats to him, this time he's going to the ARK expecting a fight and wants to conserve his power for that fight.
I'm my headcanon, in SA2 anything that an emerald did that wasn't transforming someone into a super form was called chaos control. Then, as the games went on, each emerald technique was improved and given its own name. For example, chaos snap could be an evolution of the teleport that was just called chaos control
That jewel contains ultimate power!
Did everyone forget? Chaos Control has the power to alter Sonic lore.
I was kinda under the assumption that the more emeralds the greater the ability pool
Let's just chalk this up to a minor flub and move on. Nothing's changed, guys.
Chaos control is just epic when shadow uses that power.
THANK YOU! Someone who knows the difference between Chaos Control and Chaos Snap! Shadow has a constant source of Chaos energy within him.
_"Chaos Emeralds power is chaotic..." -A Platypus_
_"Somehow, another gem has returned!"_
Chaos Control was such a mystery to me when I first heard of it as a little kid. As I got older and saw it being utilized more and more, I understood why its so important for Shadow to have access to. As far as "Dark Beginnings" goes, though, I agree with you that because Shadow only had one Chaos Emerald, it and the Chaos energy coursing through his body wasn't enough to teleport himself up into space safely. And, being that it was nighttime, it was too dark for him to go searching for one or two more emeralds. I'm super glad Ian Flynn admitted to his mistake regarding the extent of this power and what it allows Shadow to do since I'd rather see Chaos Control become more powerful instead of less
Chaos Control!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥 (also Ian Flynn saying “jazz hands” is so flipping funny to me lol)
Also on un-UNrelated note My theory as to the rocket is that maybe shadow is planning on bringing stuff with/back with him when he arrives on the ark maybe supplies or something?
This is not the first time Shadow has used a rocket ship. Remember Shadow the Hedgehog? Shadow hitched a ride with Sonic to the Ark on a rocket ship. Perhaps chaos control has a range limit? As for how team dark got on board of the Ark in SA2 without a rocket ship, Dr. Eggman clearly had a teleporter to do so.
"Don't mess with Sonic fans, we don't play the games."
I always saw it as "the more chaos emeralds you have, the less energy you yourself have to spend". So basically you CAN warp that distance with 1 emerald, but it would cost A LOT of energy (which Shadows believes he needs to fight whatever is on The Ark). Think back at SA2. Sonic could use the power with a fake emerald. Basically meaning the ability is innate to anyone who has come in contact with the emeralds at some point. But it cost sonic A LOOOT of energy to do so.
I don’t think Shadow necessarily needs a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Control, because we’ve seen him use it without one many times, including during the events of SA2. But I think it works in line with the theory you had at the end of the video where more Chaos Emeralds amplify and refine the efficiency of Chaos Control.
Edit: “The Emeralds amplify the space-time control powers of Chaos Control.” - Black Doom, Shadow the Hedgehog (2005)
All cases of confirmed Chaos Control usage without an Emerald (that I know of):
During the battle with Sonic on the ARK in Sonic Adventure 2.
During the final story of Shadow the Hedgehog on the Black Comet.
@Sarge327 The maybe official, probably it's the case line from Sega officials is he needs a chaos emerald to do chaos control. But they want the powers to be convenient for storytelling at times.
On TailsTube Shadow said Chaos Control is impossible without a Chaos Emerald which means everytime he used it like in Forces he had a Chaos Emerald on him
Pretty optional for me
When has Shadow used Chaos Control without the emeralds in SA2?
It’s possible that it could’ve been just Chaos Snap, a weaker version of Chaos Control that doesn’t require an emerald to supposedly warp. Maybe they didn’t have a proper name for it or even a concrete established lore since Shadow was supposed to die at the end.
Chaos emeralds also give other power like in sonic superstars
It’s definitely has to warp time AND space
Sonic and Shadow both had to use their super forms with the power of the chaos emeralds to warp the space colony ark which resulted in so much power loss that shadow fainted
Even if shadow could travel to space with one chaos emerald it probably would take too much energy
Well you guys are forgetting that shadow used 3 chaos emeralds to teleport to the ark. I believe one emerald isn't enough to teleport that great of a distance.
@@sonic92889 Not true, the first time Shadow talked to Eggman, he tell the doctor to meet him in the Ark, wich o can assume that he used chaos control to reach the ark.
@@solaris3251 good point! Shadow did go to the ark with one emerald. When he left Eggman
Also if black doom is back. Can't he theoretically bend space time which means shadow can't warp to the ark because the space time there is distorted. Basically a perfect barrier for chaos control.
My hot take is that Chaos Control is a skill that can either warp the user or another object/living thing a certain distance based on how much power (either stored energy or Emerald count).
The slowing down time is what the user experiences when they’re teleporting a short distance because they’re moving so quickly that every thing else either seems really slow or just not moving, and nonusers perceive the user teleporting due to the whole relativity theory.
It overall comes in two flavors. Short range teleportation (user experiences outward slow down of surroundings) or instantaneous teleportation that moves the user a large distance. Think Instant Transmission from the Dragon Ball series.
Let’s say hypothetically it can’t really warp, in Shadow’s game he takes on a blue form called Hero Shadow when using Chaos Control, this can be seen as time stopped while Shadow flies. Hero Shadow is essentially a weaker version of his gold form. Sonic X did something similar when Sonic had two Emeralds and was enough to make him fly with a gold aura without fully transforming. This could work for Sonic escaping the capsule.
I thought this was always implied, the emeralds just increase the power of the abilities.
That is why Black doom needed all 7 chaos emerald to teleport his meteor to earth, Sonic and shadow needed 7 to teleport the ARK.
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Iann should've just said that using chaos control consumes energy, and more objects/longer distance it can get so energy ineffective, that it will be better to not use if possible. Sonic after warp felt on edge. Sonic 06 time travel used 2 hedgehogs and 2 emeralds. Sonic adventure 2 used 2 supers to teleport arc
Didn't shadow use chaos control to slow/stop time in 06 during that scene where he and silver were fighting?
The way I see it: if it takes a certain amount of Chaos energy (the combined power of 7) to warp away the Ark while in space, it would take an even greater amount of energy (Shadow only has 1 Emerald) to cross the distance from the surface of Earth to the Ark's current location
Ian was answering verbally in a podcast and, remember, he was a fan of the series before writing for the comics and now the games. He didn't create Chaos Control. He's just giving his on-the-spot interpretation of it. He's wrong.
He, yes, caught himself in a slip up and still posted that tweet as well. lol
Chaos Control warps time and space, it controls time and space. So yes, it can stop time, travel through time, zip through and teleport through different placements in space. EVERY use of Chaos Control does something that falls under this. lol
If he was a fan of this series before, then that makes this mistake even worse.
Sega shouldn’t let this clown work for them ever again.
Chaos control was by most media considered a ability to warp time and space but its not limitless, despite calling chaos energy limitless one emerald can only give so much energy, there is a reason why black doom required all 7 emeralds to warp black comet to earth surface or when shadow was trying to save Rouge she had extra emeralds on hand so when he teleported to her he could use those to gain more range or despite having all seven emeralds in super form shadow was weakend after using Chaos control on ARK together with sonic, we don't really know the potential or limit to chaos powers
I mean, they’ve done something weirder too, Sonic going through “Sky Rail” X “Green Hill” in Frontiers
The thing is Sonic wasn’t in that level
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The only thing that disproves the 'needs more than one chaos emeralds theory is shadow teleporting both himself and metal sonic out of a separate dimension using just one emerald in sonic rivals 2. My personal headcanon is that shadow is subconsciously trying to take as long as possible to get to the ark to prepare himself for any memories, I mean imagine if he immediately teleports to the ark and is ambushed by black doom while having the flashback to Maria he had in ep 3.
Ian’s chaos control reason does actually make sense, as Shadow can move while time stops, but it doesn’t explain why Black Doom can just warp the Black Comet to Earth using Chaos Control
I like to think Chaos Control is a base move of reality manipulation, but depending on the user's intentions for it, it can be used to do the various things it's been used for like moving objects throughout space or time travel or slowing time.
That's a nice theory. I kinda want to believe it as cannon.
It is canon, it literally falls in line with Sonic 06.
@SonicHub you are 100% correct. Between Shadow and Rouge, they had 4 chaos emeralds (Rouge’s 3 are even visible) when he uses Chaos Control to travel from Prison Island to the ARK.
SonicHub has to start with welcome to sonic school today we are gonna learn about [Insert Topic]
they tried so hard to remember the moon that they forgot everything else about sa2
Chaos Snap is teleportation. Chaos Control is time stop. Who says that Chaos Snap can't be used during Chaos Control (it can be seen in gameplay videos) or is stronger with the emerald in hand? Also, in my opinion, I'm pretty sure Shadow can't teleport to the Ark from the planet, but maybe having more than 1 emerald makes it possible.
just now realizing it’s called chaos control because you control the chaos of the emerald to make it do what you want it to.
That makes sense, there was a scene in shadow the hedgehog where sonic used a space ship to take shadow to the ark and I think he had a few chaos emeralds on him if I remember the level layout correctly. Either way I’m glad chaos control isn’t retconned
Fans: "Wait--how can it warp time AND space? Those are two completely different things!"
Theoretical physicists: "And that's where you're wrong, buddy."
I like that slight 0:12 edit you did here😂
for a moment i thought this was gonna be about shadow having yellow emerald instead of green one
I do think the "multiple Chaos Emeralds increased the warp range" theory is a pretty strong one! Cuz in the ending of Shadow the Hedgehog 2005, Shadow warped the entire Black Comet into range of the ARK/Eclipse Cannon, which Shadow fired at the Black Comet. All while having all seven Emeralds.
Then that brings the SA2's ending into account, but I'm just focusing on Shadow '05 at the moment.
He’s going to fight Black Doom who has a history of snatching an entire set of Chaos Emerald’s from Shadow. So what happens if Shadow gets up there with an emerald, loses it to BD, and then has no way back. He’s just stuck up there as BD uses the emerald to get what he wants.
So basically... Chaos control works how five from umbrella academy does
You brought up some interesting points. I think in order for bigger feats to occur you have to have more than one emerald.
I really like this theory. It fits the lore, doesn't break the established mechanics of the power, and more importantly doesn't disrespect our shared ability to have common sense.
Yeah, I was about to say 'Three Emeralds is better than one' but then you said it too.
Yeah, I can honestly see that being the case. The more emeralds you have, the wider the range of chaos control is
in shadows trauma, shadow doesnt use chaos control for ability, he uses *chaos* control for his emotional suffering
I will say that SINCE SA2 that Chaos Control has never been used in such a way that it couldn't be a form of rapid movement through time manipulation, as far as I can remember. Though the multiple Emeralds for greater effect thing makes sense because it would explain Super Sonic and Super Shadow- forms that need 7 emeralds- being able to warp the Arc. That said it does absolutely mean the Warp Topaz is inherently better as a travel utility since there's just one and it can just generate worm holes.
Everytime I saw him with the “emerald” I was mainly thinking he’s manifesting his chaos powers and then uses it. Even the other times when Shadow is warping he doesn’t have a chaos emerald (just thinking the fight with Infinite).
I don’t know though but just the way I see it if Shadow has a chaos emeralds with him and could’ve used it to teleport to the Ark, he would’ve done so after the vision but he chose to take a shuttle to conserve energy or whatever.
when I saw the emerald that shadow has is yellow I immediately thought oh maybe that's the artificial emerald from SA2 because with items as powerful as the chaos emeralds, so powerful they can make emeralds a different color than green, you'd think they would be locked up tight somewhere instead of letting someone just carry one around with them but that's just me
Idk, shadow literally warps between dimensions in Sonic Rivals with a single Chaos Emerald if i recall. He should b more than capable of teleporting to the arc with one.
Here's my interpretation:
Chaos Energy is the force of instabilizing anything abstract, including space, time and even things like memories and physical pain, in other words, it's chaos in physical form.
The Chaos Emeralds and Master Emerald are gems that contain said energy, which lets its users have a direct access to it and the more gems you have, the more energy (and harder to contain, more on it later).
Chaos Control requires only 1 emerald because it has enough chaos energy to let the user *control* it, but in exchange, it has its own limits too, such as range or control over the thing you're instabilizing, for example, if you instabilize space, you can't control where you warp to, if you instablize time, you can't control how long it takes, in which after you have to let the emerald some time to regain some of the used energy back (like a battery).
The Master Emerald is stronger than all 7 Chaos Emeralds combined, consider it can either amplify their strength or nullify them completely, which is why with it alone you can turn super form (more about super forms later) like mecha sonic, but the problem is, due to it containing much more chaos energy than all 7, it is even harder to control, which is why mecha sonic was often back to its own normal form before regaining back energy during the fight.
The super form is a result of the user taking so much chaos energy they end up glowing, their body is now practically instabilized, letting them do things like completely ignore gravity (hence flying), almost completely negate all attacks and it is so short lived that it requires rings to maintain, super sonic 2 could only exist because the corruption was only controllable once power is obtained by the master king koco was given but was only executable during his instabilization with the chaos emeralds, and hyper sonic was a result of EVEN MORE chaos energy due to them being amplified into the super emeralds.
If we go a bit more scientific, the chaos energy is derived by positive and negative energy which is handled by the user's emotions, when perfect chaos took all the negative energy from the emeralds, sonic took the positive, and due to shadow's past, I believe he often used the negative energy during his chaos controls, but during the finalhazard, he used the positive energy, then again in heroes and shadow 05 it was negative energy because he was confused about his own identity, but at the end of shadow 05, it was positive again.
Chaos control can be used for everything it is reality manipulation like in the movies sonic literally spawned a chili dog but in most cases it is used to warp time
If we count SA2B's multiplayer, then chaos control can also freeze people in time temporarily.
Nice theory makes sense. Lucky Rouge had found those emerald then.
I'd like to agree with you. But in SA1, Shadow was able to get to the ARK after stealing the Green emerald. This was before he knew about Eggman's base, the teleporter, or the shuttle. Assuming he didn't take the emerald Eggman that had used to release Shadow, how did he get to the ARK with only one emerald?
Maybe we can just retroactively say that each emerald allows for a different type of chaos control? We do have super stars to tell us that they have different abilities now and all it would require is retconning what emerald shadow was holding.
He didn't have one, he had two. He also had the Emerald Eggman used to free him from Prison Island. We all jus slept on that Emerald & forgot about it tho
It probably depends on which chaos emerald you have
You know, I did have this question, but didn't think to much about. In all of the Reactions I was watching for Dark Beginnings, no one was questioning it. So I decided to let it go, since I didn't want to ruin the whole story.
My thought was that using Chaos Control to get to the ARK might've alerted Black Doom, or got Shadow caught in a trap. Doesn't complete sense, since a rocket ship isn't exactly stealthy, but it was an idea.
Alternatively, maybe Black Doom's command over Chaos Control somehow allowed him to block other Chaos Control related travel, or the Time Eater was somehow interfering, so it couldn't help Shadow
It's quite possible that the power of a single Emerald wouldn't cut it in regards to a trip that far (Chaos Control's broken enough ALREADY, limitations make sense). At first I questioned things too considerin' he got to the ARK perfectly fine in SA2.......until I remembered he actually had TWO Emeralds at that point & not just one. In fact, everytime we know of in which Shadow teleported to the ARK, he always had access to more than just 1 Emerald.
Maybe Black Doom has an anti chaos barrier around the ARK to stop Shadow from entering easily
Oh dear... yeah, chaos control does warp.
My theory is that Shadow has a Fake Emerald Tails made in SA2 to have access to Chaos abilities at all times, but either he wouldn't risk using it for Chaos Control/Blast since it could weaken him for a bit or it's not powerful enough for him to do so (Yes I know, Sonic used it for Chaos Control in cutscene, but let's pin it as special case for now, and no, we don't count their fight since Shadow had 0 Emeralds on hand and he teleport, just gamplay muble-jumble).
What is chaos control? Simple... THE ULTIMATE POWER
Black Doom literally used Chaos Control to warp Shadow to different levels in Shadow the Hedgehog (2005) without using any Emeralds, sometimes through projections alone, without physically being in front of Shadow. Black Doom also confirmed that the Chaos Emeralds are merely for amplification. He needed all seven to amplify his Chaos Control to warp the Black Comet down to Earth due to its massive size. Super Shadow also used Chaos Control to warp the Comet back into space. In the boss fight, Devil Doom used Chaos Control without any Emeralds to teleport. Speaking of boss fights, Shadow used Chaos Control to teleport while fighting Sonic in Sonic Adventure 2 without a Chaos Emerald. Yet, Ian Flynn just finished writing Shadow Generations and should have Shadow 05 fresh in his mind. Also, not a single reference from Shadow 05 was used in this video especially when their is a scene with Shadow using Chaos Control to teleport to the Ark before first meeting the GUN Commander. Black Doom also used Chaos Control to teleport Shadow to the ark in said game.
Black Doom's also over 2,000 years old, he's had more than enough time to fully master the technique to its full potential without an Emerald aside from limitations outside of his control (no pun intended). In regards to the cutscene with the Commander, for 2 of the levels that can lead up to that cutscene (Space Gadget & Lost Impact), Shadow's already aboard the ARK. In the case of the other level, Iron Jungle, Shadow had like, 5 Emeralds on hand by the time you reach that point of the game (2 of which are from the first level alone), so he's not teleportin' without an Emerald. The only time in the game Shadow uses Chaos Control without an Emerald is in The Last Way.
@@themenacingsloth Thanks and yeah, I forgot to Mention The Last Way which Chaos Control's teleportation is the only way to progress and Shadow has no emerald. Shadow himself notes in gameplay he has to use it. other characters tell him to as well. So far Shadow and Black Doom it's just for amplification but like you reminded me Black Doom is over 2K years old so he'd be more of a Master.
Problem with the idea that he needs more than 1 emerald to reach the Ark via Chaos Control - again in SA2 he makes his way there easily after stealing the green emerald. This is when his interactions with Eggman have been essentially as brief as "thanks for waking me up, go to Ark and bring Chaos Emeralds" and then just left to go on his own until they meet up on the Ark, so we know he didn't get up there with Eggman's help.
The obvious answer has always been he can get back with at least one emerald. It may not has been as large a distance as going from Earth to Ark, but Sonic's Chaos Control still let him cover a pretty large distance with a fake emerald and he was as inexperienced with it as you really could be while still able to pull it off.
Maybe Shadow just isn't in the right headspace to warp that far atm, maybe he's worried that Black Doom might detect his presence if he teleports there, or maybe if Doom is there he could mess with the chaos control somehow. It would have been great to have a throwaway line to hear why Shadow insists on getting there by ship, could have easily had that instead of Rogue recapping how GUN funded Shadow and then sealed him away. Even without that though, that scene in the shuttle is more than enough to justify its inclusion, I just wish this little plot hole wasn't gnawing at the back of my mind when I was watching episode 3.
Why can't we just agree that we won't have a plot if shadow just used chaos control to get to the ark
8:02 I would argue that this is just Chaos Control still, not that it makes any difference
There’s something new I learned today. Shadow’s warping ability without an emerald is called Chaos Snap. Is that a new thing?
Shadow could've just collected more chaos emeralds if the power of the one emerald isn't enough for such a great distance. Rocket plan was just Rouge's suggestion that came at the right time, collecting chaos emeralds might take a longer process of searching for them which Shadow didn't had patience for at that moment.
6:16
😂 Even he realized he got it wrong.
Shadow just wanted to experience the ride
Imo, Shadow can use chaos control without an emerald but with many limitations. He needs the emeralds to make it more powerful. Just like another commenter said, black doom needed all the chaos emeralds to warp the black comet to earth due to the size and distance.
when Shadow teleported with the green chaos emerald the next scene we see him he's already at the ark and he said to eggman "I've been waiting for u, Doctor" basically as soon as the Shadow got the green emerald he just went to the ark and basically waited for eggman to get there
I saw people saying that he could have taken eggman's rocket or even the space transporter, but I feel like they didn't exchange any information about anything after Shadow just left eggman there, since eggman didn't even know he was gonna steal a chaos emerald, if eggman was like "oh at my base there's a space transporter, if u need it" they could also just go together and Shadow explain the plan middleway, but nah, to me it's clearly a plot hole (one that annoyed me a lot, since everything else in dark beginnings is just so perfect lol)
Always figured the effectiveness of an emerald's power was dependant on its user. What may require six or all seven for one person may only require two or three for another based on experience or biology.
Okay, so I do think Ian could be right, that there was a passage of time between the scenes where Shadow saves Rouge and when they appear on the ARK. However, Rouge was in a locked room. That was why she was in trouble in the first place. In order to get in and out, Shadow would have needed to teleport.
However, there is clearly a limit to his teleportation seen here. He didn't teleport directly to Rouge. First, he needed to close the distance by passing through the jungle. Maybe he can't teleport to places he can't see? Don't know.
But yeah. On Prison Island, Shadow definitely teleported himself and Rouge out of harm's way. Then Sonic was able to use the fake Emerald to Chaos Control back to the ARK.
Chaos control controls time. So anything related to time is affected.
The end.
Well from what I can put in Shadow shoe that he wants to be cautious as Chaos control consume alot of energy and Shadow didn’t want to waste too much energy as when Sonic first use chaos control, he was left exhausted from it if possibly nearly knock out the user.
So he wants to fight at his best with the probability black arm are ready for an ambush and he needs his A game on to intercept it. Chaos control is versatile technique, but consume alot of power, depending the situation and knowledge of using it.
7:42 Black Doom: The emeralds applify the Space-time control powers of Chaos Control. (He said it. NOT me)
Alhough the Biolizard uses NO Chaos Emeralds to warp outside of the Ark.
Also HOW did Shadow beat Eggman to the Ark at the beginning of the story (after his fight with Sonic) with JUST ONE emerald?
Did Gerald have a secret space ship?
Did he hitch a ride with Eggman on HIS spaceship, even though he says "I'll be waiting for you", as if he has his own way there??
Did Eggman NOT use his teleporter, like he and Rogue do later to get there?? (To result in Eggman taking his own spaceship a.k.a the ship Sonic uses??)
These are the only "IFFY" parts, as Black Doom needs all SEVEN to warp the comet down to the surface. (More emeralds = More teleport power)
He says himself, it can't penetrait another planet's atmosphere, so it HAS to warp. (Stopping time wouldn't work. Imagine Black Doom running outside and pushing the Comet then floating back to the Ark just explain what happened 😅😂)
"It's the PERFECT Plaaaaan"
I had actually thought of that before, with the more emeralds you have, the longer the reach is. I’m gonna stick with that head-canon, but there is something contradicting it that I saw someone point out.
At the end of Sonic Rivals 2, with just *one single emerald* from Metal Sonic, Shadow used Chaos Control to teleport them out of that alternate dimension back into their original one. WITH ONE EMERALD, he was able to warp between dimensions, so it’s hard to believe he couldn’t warp to the ark. But maybe we don’t know all the factors behind that Rivals finale? Idk man, it’s weird, but this explanation you gave is the best compromise there is lol
There is a reason why it’s called CHAOS Control because this is just weird.
This is a cope explanation. Please stop trying to justify inconsistent writing with nonsense.
My headcanon is that chaos energy is inherently chaotic, aka inconsistent
Theres actually an even simpler reason. They just wanted to make the animation of team dark breaking into a base. But in lore yea number of emeralds increasing power fits perfectly