While I agree, I also believe that both of Geoff's wins were clearly false starts. It's just so difficult to ref arm wrestling, and due to burnout it's not like you can just keep restarting matches. Still fun to watch though
5th round leaves a bitter taste in my mouth because of all the added up fouls Bart was giving out like candy Geoff lost the match to an actual valid foul(elbow slip) on his way to recovering from Sam's monster hook. Entertaining match though! Wow
@@geometricart7851 this the wal where people like michelle todd are allowed to get away with a shoulder under the table constantly, im not suprised at this tbh lol
Agreed. The 4th round especially. At 15:20, that's an obvious false start by Harris.. By the time the Ref said go, he already had Hale on his side of the table.
What an excellent victory for Bart Wood and Sam Harris. You can tell Bart is really proud to be a member of Team Harris. Why does it seem like WAL has a personal beef with Geoff Hale? Look up WAL 404 versus Sheldon. Bart stole this win from Hale. Put the bottle down, Bart. It’s compromising your judgment.
I agree with others. Hale was robbed and the reffing job here was an embarrassment to the sport. This is disgusting WAL. And I say this as a WAL fan. The inferior arm wrestler was given the victory by the ref. Pathetic.
Also watch how Sam Harria grip. His Thumb is very high and far back. WAL rules is easy to cheat in. I think EvW rules set are so far best one. But not perfect.
The refereeing in wal is so bad, i don't know if they want that for the "show" or if bart is just not good enough. Maybe both. And wtf ist this 30s strap rule all about? If someone wants the strap he can just wait for it or delay the gripping without punishment. This rule is just a complete waste of time
Philipp Andrej there is punishment if he deems it as obviously waiting for the strap. The problem is it isn’t always obvious if they’re waiting for the strap or just trying to get the better grip.
The only way that Sam Harris gets the win is if Hale literally doesn't get to start with his arm on the pad. Makes Hale start with his hand well beneath Sam's before the match even starts. At that point, Hale doesn't get to even stand a chance because he literally starts without any access to power whatsoever. Anytime he was even given a shitty position, Hale crushed Sam with relative ease. This kind of bullshit is why armwrestling isn't and won't ever become mainstream. Anyone that watches this match learns that it's all about the start and who can cheat the most. It's not about who's stronger.
@@house_greyjoy Sam's propping his arm up and giving nothing in his wrist. The reff ignores this and puts Hale's arm under Sam's, forcing Hale into a 'dad's move' position.
@@monsoon1174 Sam is suppose to do that. Sam is pulling Geoff across the table everytime he wins. This is why Hale is in the position he is in. Sam has crazy back pressure. Geoff is complaining that Sam keeps pulling back while their in the grip. And in a way I think it's normal to slightly start pulling before the initial GO. Obviously their is tension and fighting for positioning while in the grip. Watch those rounds again and tell me if their is enough evidence to call Sam's wins fouls. I've seen tons of matches that start off the same way and are not called fouls. Personally I don't like the way Sam keeps pulling back.. I can see it everytime he armwrestles but honestly I don't know If I would call them fouls unless it was more obvious and unfair advantage before the start.
@@house_greyjoy But Sam has to earn that position using his rising power. He starts with his hand risen wayyyy above Hale's hand from the get go, making the match uncompetitive. This is what makes the match so meh, especially when combined with fowls. I think it's called posting when someone does that, and you're supposed to do that, but the problem is the Ref isn't supposed to let you post a full six inches over another person's hand. It makes the leverage completely unfair. That's why the match went from Hale dominating to him being unable to do anything. That sucks to watch when the playing field isn't even close to fair. I think this is why armwrestling in general isn't that popular in the mainstream sprots environment.
@@monsoon1174 you nailed it i was honestly kinda disgusted with the early hit in rnd 4...thought fs it was gonna get called, i think Geoff just isn't WAL'S version of "marketable" so bart being bart gave sam the edge he needed, like in all sport the line that separates 1 from 2 is razor thin...hence the emphasis on fairness, any interference can change the outcome irrevocably
Breakdown according to me: 1st pull Geoff's game. Power too strong and superior position. 2nd pull Again, Geoff's game. Too much power in combination with the very nice position on Sam. 3rd pull Champion's response by Sam, nothing wrong with this one. Sam's game and he deserved the pull. 4th pull Sam hits early => Jumpstart. Played the video back at 0.25x speed and Sam hits on the end of "hands" (as in "close your hands... GO!). He doesn't hit on "GO!"and that's why he got the superior position on Geoff. But the strap setup was well done from Sam. I also think that Geoff didn't expect Sam to hit so early, which can happen but then it can't be a jumpstart. 5th pull Bart's game. The 2 fouls were given WAY too early and Sam capitalized on it by using huge back-pressure to pull Geoff of the pad. Intelligent armwrestling on his part. Also, Sam again hits way early and curls in. Bart is known for giving fouls for curling in early (see match: Devon Larratt vs Jerry Cadorette). Devon once said something beautiful to Bart in his match with Jerry on WAL 402: "Dude, he does the same thing to me, I'm just winning." I think the problem with Bart is that he goes the underdog an advantage. Which is a f*cking c*nt move. So, is at the end Geoff robbed of the hammer? Yes and no. Sam was not like "CLEARLY" the weaker puller here. He was in the game after he was back awake again after losing 2 pulls. But then again, Bart gave advantages to Sam that should not have been given. So yes, we could argue that the Geoff was robbed and that Bart has to rethink how he is going to do his refereeing in the future because Bart is a good referee, but with every referee comes mistakes. As well in MMA, as in soccer, as in armwrestling.
Michiel Buyens lol looks like it , how long u writing tha pal 2 days 🤣 we all saw what happened mr loud mouth got whipped being 2-0 up as well he got no balls hence no hammer ! Write that book of excuses for ya boyfriend 🤣
Called a foul on that to end it? Trying to kill the sport or grow it? What an absolute garbage call that completely ruined the end of the match. Unbelievable
Well I haven’t even gotten to read these comments but I am sure 98% of them are about the ref and how Sam was pulling even before he was given the go. Cmon now.
And they said sam will have an easy win Lmfao haha the " Haleraiser " will have his redemption time soon, he already closed the gap between them, it's only a matter of time .
so hard for me to come back and watch this match because Geoff was clearly the stronger man on this day. However, Sam played a very smart game by up pressuring and using his height to his advantage in the setup. Albeit shitty of Bart to let Sam get away with many things, it was still a great match.
@@anthonyw9129 yeah if you're too worried you get what you get and that's a loss...it's the nature of the game dumb shit. Be ready. Its a mental thing..make adjustments on the fly
For those saying he pulled his elbow up in the air. Watch the video and and only watch Hale's elbow. What u will find is his elbow hanging out in the air half the time of the setup. Just hanging out in the air.
Buddy I know you said this a few years ago but I couldn’t believe my ears and was looking for some other comment that would acknowledge how bad that was lol.
U guys didnt see hale jump the start the first 2 rounds thats why sam started doing it back . main thing i hate about this sport false starts happen all the time and the ref hardly ever calls it . each round each person should get 1 false start then the next one you automatically lose. Sam was pulling hales arms accross the table tho hale should of hit him with the kingsmove and tried to regain position .
Non armwrestlers should know Sam Harris took advantage of the modified WAL pads, as it favors people that pull backwards. Real table specs have an EVEN 7x7 pad, so it would be interesting to see them do a rematch on a standard table.
I just wanna comment on the corner arm rubs. My company was delivering bar stools to this bar a few weeks ago. They had this area we're guys were getting their forearms massage but there were no arm wrestling tables🤔
Let slip the dawgs of Hale! Raise some more Hale bro! No mercy, all victory! Hale's one of the smartest amrwrestlers in the sport! Beat him once, count on him bringing something different to the table for the win. This is far from over. Elbow hit the table and two fouls before, sh_t happens but I'd love to have seen this through.
Bart is a garbage ref, the last 4 matches were 90 Harris - 10 Hale, what the point of having a ref if you’re just going to let one opponent do what ever he wants, Jesus Bart.
I’m not a fan of Geoff hale but I do feel abit sorry for him. The ref set up Harris to win 3 times. I no Geoff is stronger in the hook then Harris that’s plain to see. It’s a shame about the ref. Todd vs larrat ref making bad calls nuff said!
It must be so fucking infuriating to be 2-0 in the lead and then the refs stops calling false starts and the cheater while chewing gum in your face wins the match
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I’m not a big fan of Geoff Hale but Harris was def. Hustling there.
We need new refs seriously....
Forsure
They seriously gave sam that last match. Shame.
Yea new ref is needed
While I agree, I also believe that both of Geoff's wins were clearly false starts. It's just so difficult to ref arm wrestling, and due to burnout it's not like you can just keep restarting matches. Still fun to watch though
Sometimes I think bart is a really good ref, then sometimes this happens :/ time for some new refs maybe with less personal investment
Serious question, what made you think this? I honestly didn't notice it.
At a recent tournament I was at the down ref was betting on matches. Talk about a major bias
Bart is terrible
You don't call out his wife tho. Simp simp simp
His wife is worse. She literally shakes her head and disappointment when the person she's rooting for loses
Sam was allowed to set up all over Geoff and he pulled back early, poor Geoff
Every fucking match Sam won, Bart let him RIP back way before the ready-go. Bart robbed Geoff.
Bart should just be fired already... Jesus, how do people consider him one of the best refs...
5th round leaves a bitter taste in my mouth because of all the added up fouls Bart was giving out like candy Geoff lost the match to an actual valid foul(elbow slip) on his way to recovering from Sam's monster hook. Entertaining match though! Wow
@@geometricart7851 this the wal where people like michelle todd are allowed to get away with a shoulder under the table constantly, im not suprised at this tbh lol
Agreed. The 4th round especially. At 15:20, that's an obvious false start by Harris.. By the time the Ref said go, he already had Hale on his side of the table.
What an excellent victory for Bart Wood and Sam Harris. You can tell Bart is really proud to be a member of Team Harris.
Why does it seem like WAL has a personal beef with Geoff Hale? Look up WAL 404 versus Sheldon.
Bart stole this win from Hale. Put the bottle down, Bart. It’s compromising your judgment.
This is what Devon means when he says it doesn't need to be 3 on 1.
Another uncalled, false start on Harris in round four.
total
15:20
Close your hand
Sam pulled half way already
Go....
Ref is a joke, Sam is a cocky joke.
put it in slow mo. completely right. hes got over 1 sec of pull there. unfair
And you’re a sensitive bitch
@@user-xb4cr1ym4f says you
ツDempseyDaPro yup I know, that’s my comment, I said it. You’re smart.
Screw it. They were both at starting position towards the end before jeff loses
I agree with others. Hale was robbed and the reffing job here was an embarrassment to the sport. This is disgusting WAL. And I say this as a WAL fan. The inferior arm wrestler was given the victory by the ref. Pathetic.
These jump starts are ridiculous. 2 of his 3 matches won were by clearly seen jump starts. Nothing called. I agree with you man.
It’s wwe
Also watch how Sam Harria grip. His Thumb is very high and far back. WAL rules is easy to cheat in. I think EvW rules set are so far best one. But not perfect.
Wtf are you people on? If they're both loading before the go, you can't only blame Sam. Stop being гεtαгdεd
Bart wood need to be gone
The refereeing in wal is so bad, i don't know if they want that for the "show" or if bart is just not good enough. Maybe both. And wtf ist this 30s strap rule all about? If someone wants the strap he can just wait for it or delay the gripping without punishment. This rule is just a complete waste of time
Philipp Andrej there is punishment if he deems it as obviously waiting for the strap. The problem is it isn’t always obvious if they’re waiting for the strap or just trying to get the better grip.
Geoff got robbed , smh, bart retire please...
He didnt get robbed he got owned by a stronger hand
@@haroutnajarian777 nah, harris was using back pressure in the setup so he kept lifting hale's elbow off the pad, resulting in fouls
Bablo Biggins who said it was supposed to be a fair sport. Its setups that control the match if the power is close.
@@haroutnajarian777 the organizations? the referees?
@@haroutnajarian777 I got 55 likes 😉
The only way that Sam Harris gets the win is if Hale literally doesn't get to start with his arm on the pad. Makes Hale start with his hand well beneath Sam's before the match even starts. At that point, Hale doesn't get to even stand a chance because he literally starts without any access to power whatsoever. Anytime he was even given a shitty position, Hale crushed Sam with relative ease. This kind of bullshit is why armwrestling isn't and won't ever become mainstream. Anyone that watches this match learns that it's all about the start and who can cheat the most.
It's not about who's stronger.
Why can't Hale get his arm on the pad then? Who's the blame for that?
@@house_greyjoy Sam's propping his arm up and giving nothing in his wrist. The reff ignores this and puts Hale's arm under Sam's, forcing Hale into a 'dad's move' position.
@@monsoon1174 Sam is suppose to do that. Sam is pulling Geoff across the table everytime he wins. This is why Hale is in the position he is in. Sam has crazy back pressure. Geoff is complaining that Sam keeps pulling back while their in the grip. And in a way I think it's normal to slightly start pulling before the initial GO. Obviously their is tension and fighting for positioning while in the grip. Watch those rounds again and tell me if their is enough evidence to call Sam's wins fouls. I've seen tons of matches that start off the same way and are not called fouls. Personally I don't like the way Sam keeps pulling back.. I can see it everytime he armwrestles but honestly I don't know If I would call them fouls unless it was more obvious and unfair advantage before the start.
@@house_greyjoy But Sam has to earn that position using his rising power. He starts with his hand risen wayyyy above Hale's hand from the get go, making the match uncompetitive. This is what makes the match so meh, especially when combined with fowls. I think it's called posting when someone does that, and you're supposed to do that, but the problem is the Ref isn't supposed to let you post a full six inches over another person's hand. It makes the leverage completely unfair. That's why the match went from Hale dominating to him being unable to do anything. That sucks to watch when the playing field isn't even close to fair. I think this is why armwrestling in general isn't that popular in the mainstream sprots environment.
@@monsoon1174 you nailed it i was honestly kinda disgusted with the early hit in rnd 4...thought fs it was gonna get called, i think Geoff just isn't WAL'S version of "marketable" so bart being bart gave sam the edge he needed, like in all sport the line that separates 1 from 2 is razor thin...hence the emphasis on fairness, any interference can change the outcome irrevocably
Breakdown according to me:
1st pull
Geoff's game.
Power too strong and superior position.
2nd pull
Again, Geoff's game.
Too much power in combination with the very nice position on Sam.
3rd pull
Champion's response by Sam, nothing wrong with this one. Sam's game and he deserved the pull.
4th pull
Sam hits early => Jumpstart. Played the video back at 0.25x speed and Sam hits on the end of "hands" (as in "close your hands... GO!). He doesn't hit on "GO!"and that's why he got the superior position on Geoff. But the strap setup was well done from Sam. I also think that Geoff didn't expect Sam to hit so early, which can happen but then it can't be a jumpstart.
5th pull
Bart's game. The 2 fouls were given WAY too early and Sam capitalized on it by using huge back-pressure to pull Geoff of the pad. Intelligent armwrestling on his part. Also, Sam again hits way early and curls in. Bart is known for giving fouls for curling in early (see match: Devon Larratt vs Jerry Cadorette). Devon once said something beautiful to Bart in his match with Jerry on WAL 402: "Dude, he does the same thing to me, I'm just winning." I think the problem with Bart is that he goes the underdog an advantage. Which is a f*cking c*nt move.
So, is at the end Geoff robbed of the hammer?
Yes and no. Sam was not like "CLEARLY" the weaker puller here. He was in the game after he was back awake again after losing 2 pulls. But then again, Bart gave advantages to Sam that should not have been given.
So yes, we could argue that the Geoff was robbed and that Bart has to rethink how he is going to do his refereeing in the future because Bart is a good referee, but with every referee comes mistakes. As well in MMA, as in soccer, as in armwrestling.
Agreed. Rounds 4 and 5 were arguably given to Sam, who could have beat Geoff anyway. Sad we didn't see a completely fair ending to the match.
@@oceanwaves83 Indeed.
@@franklyn9642 I have a life boy :) just stating my opinion on how it went down :D And maybe I will write that book, good idea friend!
Michiel Buyens lol looks like it , how long u writing tha pal 2 days 🤣 we all saw what happened mr loud mouth got whipped being 2-0 up as well he got no balls hence no hammer ! Write that book of excuses for ya boyfriend 🤣
If you think he started early go watch mask vs todd
Last 3 sets ups were on Harris side.
Jeffs elbow was starting on the edge of the pad
2:58 6:19 10:51 15:20 19:50
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Tq bro for timestamp we can see the who did the early starts
He is really the worst referee in history
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Why did Bart let Sam drag that hard before the go on every match he won? Bart, we just want "fair". Wow
I like Sam a lot. We want "fair" though, Bart.
I hate to say it, but Sam was false starting almost every match.
Sam harris gets a call from the WAL that he'll be facing the hailraiser at 502
*Gum Chewing intensifies*
Sam "false start" Harris...
Harris pulled Hale off the Pad before the match even started.. hilarious!
Called a foul on that to end it? Trying to kill the sport or grow it? What an absolute garbage call that completely ruined the end of the match. Unbelievable
..it was a valid foul? lmao
Well I haven’t even gotten to read these comments but I am sure 98% of them are about the ref and how Sam was pulling even before he was given the go. Cmon now.
Round 4 Sam Harris clearly jumped on “close your hands” :/ so yeah in a way Hale was robbed. Unfair start
Poor hale , he didn't deserve this.
Good luck next time.
How much is Sam Harris paying Bart to let him win. I wonder if he gives him 30 or 50% of the 10k.
Him and Bart probably tag team Bart's wife
@@SWCisFAMILY 😂
That's just dirty arm wrestling right there
Sam: he got an angle on me
*I'M CRYING BRO LMAO*
And they said sam will have an easy win Lmfao haha the " Haleraiser " will have his redemption time soon, he already closed the gap between them, it's only a matter of time .
so hard for me to come back and watch this match because Geoff was clearly the stronger man on this day. However, Sam played a very smart game by up pressuring and using his height to his advantage in the setup. Albeit shitty of Bart to let Sam get away with many things, it was still a great match.
Yes he went away instead of inside.
That was absurd decision making.
Somehow ....wasn't a fair fight...
One of the most classic lightweight WAL matches of all time this one !! Iv seen it hundreds of times😂😂
i don't like these refs, why do they always allow early pulls before they say GO ??
here in on 1/1/22 to watch my two favorites in that division.. CLASSIC boys and girls
Robbery
@@onthe1481 Don't worry about the set-up???? Seriously??
@@anthonyw9129 yeah if you're too worried you get what you get and that's a loss...it's the nature of the game dumb shit. Be ready. Its a mental thing..make adjustments on the fly
Yeah this one was awful.
Anybody know the song at Sam's entrance?
ROBBERY
For those saying he pulled his elbow up in the air. Watch the video and and only watch Hale's elbow. What u will find is his elbow hanging out in the air half the time of the setup. Just hanging out in the air.
What is the clear substance the pads are made of Edit is it like a clear band between the two pads
Sam always pulls early before Bart says go, pretty unfair for Geoff
Still a very entertaining match, i hope armwars or pound for pound gets to this level of production.
Geoff is such an entertainer
"REDEMPTION TIME....WOOT WOOT" haha love the energy
Wtf. 8:30
Buddy I know you said this a few years ago but I couldn’t believe my ears and was looking for some other comment that would acknowledge how bad that was lol.
would prefer to see a rematch here
Geoff Hale is the real Dr. Disrespect.
So it's okay to pull before the "go"? These refs are useless. This Harris dude loses every time without a jump start.
False start on Harris not called in round three. Hale should have won right there.
Round three, four, two, you name it. He false started almost every round.
U guys didnt see hale jump the start the first 2 rounds thats why sam started doing it back . main thing i hate about this sport false starts happen all the time and the ref hardly ever calls it . each round each person should get 1 false start then the next one you automatically lose. Sam was pulling hales arms accross the table tho hale should of hit him with the kingsmove and tried to regain position .
They've got to replace Bart. Pay the extra money and get someone better.
False start 4th round for sure.
Sam Harris went on ready
Absolutely
Whats the money girls name?
Gee Gee
Great fight
For a second I thought it was going to be Sam Harris the neuroscience guy
Looking back at this... other than the false start,Geoff just can’t handle the up pressure
Robbed. This sucked.
I want to see a rematch
Non armwrestlers should know Sam Harris took advantage of the modified WAL pads, as it favors people that pull backwards. Real table specs have an EVEN 7x7 pad, so it would be interesting to see them do a rematch on a standard table.
15:49 sound girl behind Bart is fineee🔥
I am not a fan of Hale's "persona" but he was robbed big time.
I’m from Tulsa Oklahoma aswell haha. That’s awesome.
The grippler in incognito 😂
I just wanna comment on the corner arm rubs. My company was delivering bar stools to this bar a few weeks ago. They had this area we're guys were getting their forearms massage but there were no arm wrestling tables🤔
Love it!
Geoff hale , my favorite ,great style ,no cheater
Watch that shit in 0.5x speed and see the gap between the ready go and Sam’s head start lol
Sooo we not gonna mention hales kkk comment to Sam? Lol
Glad you peep that like I did!!! SMFH
Let slip the dawgs of Hale! Raise some more Hale bro! No mercy, all victory!
Hale's one of the smartest amrwrestlers in the sport! Beat him once, count on him bringing something different to the table for the win. This is far from over. Elbow hit the table and two fouls before, sh_t happens but I'd love to have seen this through.
🤣 love it when loud mouths lose ! This may be the noose around ya neck 🤣👀you got whipped boi
That was all Sam. Completely deserved. Hale's antics somehow gave some the appearance the he was robbed. Not at all.
these two should compete in east vs west or kott.
Geoff got way bigger!! Also one of the funniest guys in WAL LOL
arm wrestling will never be mainstream in the west as long as the WAL is this shitty in reffing.
Round 4 was an early start from Harris. I didn't even understand what the fuck were those fouls for in round 5.
Bart is a garbage ref, the last 4 matches were 90 Harris - 10 Hale, what the point of having a ref if you’re just going to let one opponent do what ever he wants, Jesus Bart.
match 4, Harris clearly starts before the 'go', should have been false start. Hale is definitely the stronger puller.
HALE LOOK LIKE THIS 👯👯👯👯👯👯👯💇💇💇💇💇💇💇💇💇😿😿😿😿😿😿😿💅💅💅💅💅💅💅GIRL LLLLLLL TALKING
What is this neem's knowhow?
That 3rd pull was all just lat ja maybe a bit of bicep but all just lat.
The lesson is do not be so cocky
Whats going on with the awful lighting?
This venue had horrible lighting
Maybe Sam wrestled intelligent by stalling on the set ups. It's not just about power anymore. Geoff though strong as hell.
Sam looks high af during the interview 😂
Good, solid win for Sam!
Geoff fore arm is 2" shorter than Sams, and Bart giving Geoff fouls for lifting up of the pad in set-up.
0:02 "toasty"
These refs are a damn joke. Good match though
15:20 at 0.5x speed
Where the hell do they get these referee
I loved Hale in Six String Samurai
the last round is not fair at all, because Hale's elbow was already on the edge and the referee did not foresee all this, early gave the signal.
I am big 🔥 fan of geof hale he is winner
I’m not a fan of Geoff hale but I do feel abit sorry for him. The ref set up Harris to win 3 times. I no Geoff is stronger in the hook then Harris that’s plain to see. It’s a shame about the ref. Todd vs larrat ref making bad calls nuff said!
It must be so fucking infuriating to be 2-0 in the lead and then the refs stops calling false starts and the cheater while chewing gum in your face wins the match
Brasil in the house bro
Ref is awful. Hale is the stronger puller. Tons of false starts on Sam, ref never called it.
Didn't see anything wrong with that, Bart is the man and if you people can't handle your GEEK getting beat than root for somebody else.
2:18 Alex Toproll
How can the crowd cheer this?
Van hales glasses got bigger than his arms unfortunately, you let us down mann, not cool.