My old bike snapped in half after 7+ years and of the current selection the Manufacturer was offering I couldn't find one that had both the looks and parts I'd have liked so, in the end, I got myself a midrange model that had the looks and upgraded it from a Deore / Deore XT model to a balls to the wall XTR / XTR Di2 / iRD one. Never before replaced anything else on a bike except for the handlebars and maybe a tire - Rebuilding that bike with all the parts in more or less one go was nerve wrecking especially because of the internal routing the frame has requiring some generous rethinking on how to feed cables to certain areas. Picture of my bike: imgur.com/a/bPmp1
Preload is really the only difference, since coils are linear spring rate the end of the stroke is not affected. preload stiffens the beginning the most and mid by half of what happened to the beginning, if that makes any sense. it's still linear, just starts stiffer when u tighten the spring. Compression and rebound settings will basically be the same, start with a mid point on each and adjust incrementally from there until you find what u like. Remember each trail needs different settings, there's no perfect set it and forget it for every trail
Roger Neilson thanks, I understand most of what your saying, it's just that im not sure what to look for with those incremental changes, mainly with the low/high speed compression
As he said, compression and rebound are the same as an air sprung shock. Lookup the Vorsprung Suspension Tuesday Tune videos on TH-cam or Pinkbike if you want to spend a few hours learning about what the damping circuits do and how to set them up. Warning: this is a deep dark hole :)
Hello. I wonder if it possible to use rc car shock silicone oil on the foam rings and as a bath oil for lubrication inside the mtb fork? It is pure silicone oil with different viscosity from 10w to 100k w. It works well in rc car shocks with anodized aluminum bodies and rubber and silicone o-rings and membranes so i think it should work fine with suspension fork too?
Doddy "new bushes"? Suspension guru " nah" Doddy ""but you need new bushes"?! Suspension guru "nah" Doddy "what if your fork is completely f@£ked tho"? Suspension guru "maybe new bushes" Doddy " so new bushes then"? Suspension guru "nah" Awwwkwaaaaarrrd ! I might go and buy some bushes now. "Nah"
@Erwin Meulman ohhh leftys nice,tbh those are made by fox so pretty much they're reliable,since under that rubber dust boot there's a square stanchion it has needle bearing in every face of that stanchion so good grease is needed such as royal purple synth high performance grease,just a rag clean of everything and re apply this grease,now the rebound part and such umm I didn't got that far in videos cuz usually that's straight shop work more than a user job
AF25 meaning a new crown steerer and stanchion unit- you don't have to replace the lowers or internals- the crown unit costs about a third as much as a new fork
I've just got my full sus brand new and i'm already worried about wearing it down, want to make sure i'm looking after it properly but not over doing it
@Spill Burg cuz that business works around maintenance so the fast a dust wiper or fork oil degrades the better for the business cuz its more payed work 😊 if u ask 30buck just by changing oil dont u want it to change oil more often???
All these fork maintaining videos you've uploaded have made me wonder, how do I know when my fork needs to be serviced? I have the tools and the knowledge. I just need to know what signs to look for that say "fix it"
Gotcha. Thanks for the info. Now that you mention...I do remember reading something about 1000 hours. Do the forks generally not dry out during that time? I guess it would depend on conditions as much as anything. I don't live or ride in a particularly dry area so it probably wouldn't be an issue for me...but I'd image someone that rides out west might need to check more often. Or maybe not...lol...I'm a rigid guy at the moment and have been for a while. But I'm in the market for a hardtail or full suspension bike as my older body is taking a beating and starting to feel the effects of riding with no suspension.
Chad Ashton, just to give a negative example, I never serviced my rockshox but always kept the tubes clean. Last week after >10 years of semi-frequent use it suddenly stuck completely. I opened it up only to find all oil had gone. The anodizing around the bushings is scratched.Kind of a facepalm moment, as there had been warning signs one year before (sticky remains of oil on the tubes after riding). Didn't do anything about it except for being impressed how great the fork had been holding up over the years, duh.
If I only ride my mountain bike 3 months out of the year for maybe 2 times a week, how would that affect the recommended service interval when you guys say a year etc?
I wipe my suspension down after every ride with a clean rag with a bit of silicone suspension spray on the rag itself. Should I ditch the silicone spray and just wipe with a dry rag or is silicone alright? I only spray a small amount on the rag so the suspension is not wet after wiping.
Yeah that'll be fine Jaisah! You want to spray it on the rag and wipe so as not to overspray onto a disc brake. The main problems arise when people douse heavier greases and sprays on there which causes dirt to stick to the stanchion and seal
I have one question though. What about Air sprung forks? I am fairly new to the mountain bike field so I might be asking a stupid question and it's the same maintenance. Either way my question still stands.
boa tarde, você poderia fazer um vídeo de manutenção em um suspensão boxxer wc 2013 e em um shox vivid air , pois moro em maceió alagoas e aqui não tem como fazer esse serviço , então eu mesmo terei que realizá-lo , mas não estou seguro, o meu shox não está segurando ar e estou com medo de danificá-lo. e já é bem difícil de conseguir as peças para os reparos, mesmo na internet. obrigado . aguardo contato. Eu sou do Brasil .
Do they really replace bushings for RockShox forks (Pike)? As far as I know you (as a customer) actually cannot buy replacement bushings, and I haven't yet heard of a third party company that offers this service either.
Would you ever cover specialty forks like the Cannondale Lefty? Thats what I happened to use, and not sure if its much different in terms what to look for. Thanks!
I agree, I live in Malawi - No bike shops apart from 1 dodgy one. I'd love to have one on my fork because parts are only available by post. It would probably allow the fork to last longer as no dust is exposed to stanchions and seals, internals too. The main reason for oil changes is contamination from dirt. It makes sense to have boots on stanchions, it would also stop scratches
My seal of my suntour xce keeps coming off, it moves up the fork and stays their i really really need some help with this im 14 and dont know how to fix this please help???
Does anyone know what u should use to oil the stanchions of my pike? Sometimes the stanchions run a bit dry during runs and I'd be good to lube it up a bit to reduce friction...thanks
If your stanchions are 'running dry' it's because the wiper seal and foam ring inside the fork aren't lubricated enough, therefore your lowers need a top up of oil! Don't lubricate the stanchion with an oil or lube as this inevitably be too much and will attract dust and grit which will damage the stanchion and eat through the wiper seal in no time at all!
That's why I only ride upside down Lefty and the dayd. Both is best German engineering. No maintenance necessary. I have more important things todo. I have to ride and don't want to waist money ore time for cleaning stuff, that could have been constructed maintenance oriented
Did anyone know the name of the fork with scratch? I have exactly that fork, but from a second hand bike and I want to know how that type of fork is....
my bike is like 17 years old and i've never done it... lol PS i did open it up a few weeks ago to clean and grease it. it was completely dry lol. now it's working like new again.
Isaac Willoughby yeah. Depends on the fork. If it's an air fork, it should be readily serviceable. If it's a cheap sun tour, it's probably going to be hard to find parts for. Leaking oil is a blown seal though.
But the real question here is how often do you need to do that. My giant tech guy said to me like every 2 season to do a full service and 1 season to check the suspension but i want perfect suspension for my bike but paying low price It is real to do that
Nicolas Montpetit ehhh, my friends cousin hasn't serviced his marzocchi bomber 66 in 4 years. But like idk man, I don't, I should, but it's a lot of money to constantly service em.
HELP. Is the Fox 32 TALAS 150 FIT RLC suitable for light trail ride, with drops smaller than 60cm, not sure if I managed to ruin it? my fork is at the service more than a week now, still don't know how much would cost to replace the bushings... detailed specs of the fork: www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/Fox-32-TALAS-150-FIT-RLC,2542/sspomer,2 THANK YOU:
Everything functions properly th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of TH-cam. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
So where's the part where it shows me the fork maintenance stuff I should be doing?
1:51 “Give me 3 tips on looking after your fork?”
“Tip number one, look online for videos that show you how to look after your fork”
Great tip!!!
"How to do this or that
-look online and find videos"
Well thanks i guess
My forks are dying a slow death! These videos are making me a bike hyperchondriac.
Could you do a video on how to properly measure your bike geometry, headset setups and such?
Am I the only one that gets nervous when it comes to working on bikes? Irrational fear of breaking something I guess
My old bike snapped in half after 7+ years and of the current selection the Manufacturer was offering I couldn't find one that had both the looks and parts I'd have liked so, in the end, I got myself a midrange model that had the looks and upgraded it from a Deore / Deore XT model to a balls to the wall XTR / XTR Di2 / iRD one.
Never before replaced anything else on a bike except for the handlebars and maybe a tire - Rebuilding that bike with all the parts in more or less one go was nerve wrecking especially because of the internal routing the frame has requiring some generous rethinking on how to feed cables to certain areas.
Picture of my bike: imgur.com/a/bPmp1
Nope, you're not the only one👍even taking off the rear wheel made me so nervous...
I'm a wreck, just moving the seat post up an inch.
Durahl did you ever take that stem out back......and shoot it?!
annd the not so irrational fear of not being able to reassemble it
Gotta love that pen behind the ear
Thank you for the help, you,do a really thorough job of explaining how to do bike maintenance. Awesome!
Can you make a video on how to service coil suspension?
Aegean Pasquesi buy air!
How to set up a coil shock please
Preload is really the only difference, since coils are linear spring rate the end of the stroke is not affected. preload stiffens the beginning the most and mid by half of what happened to the beginning, if that makes any sense. it's still linear, just starts stiffer when u tighten the spring.
Compression and rebound settings will basically be the same, start with a mid point on each and adjust incrementally from there until you find what u like. Remember each trail needs different settings, there's no perfect set it and forget it for every trail
Roger Neilson thanks, I understand most of what your saying, it's just that im not sure what to look for with those incremental changes, mainly with the low/high speed compression
As he said, compression and rebound are the same as an air sprung shock. Lookup the Vorsprung Suspension Tuesday Tune videos on TH-cam or Pinkbike if you want to spend a few hours learning about what the damping circuits do and how to set them up. Warning: this is a deep dark hole :)
Hello. I wonder if it possible to use rc car shock silicone oil on the foam rings and as a bath oil for lubrication inside the mtb fork? It is pure silicone oil with different viscosity from 10w to 100k w. It works well in rc car shocks with anodized aluminum bodies and rubber and silicone o-rings and membranes so i think it should work fine with suspension fork too?
What should I lube my stanchions with? I ride a lot of dry, dusty gravel. Thanks!
Silicon shine, it makes your fork buttery
Wristler performance fork boost lube.
how often should should we be lubricating shocks? shock lube only i presume?
Doddy "new bushes"?
Suspension guru " nah"
Doddy ""but you need new bushes"?!
Suspension guru "nah"
Doddy "what if your fork is completely f@£ked tho"?
Suspension guru "maybe new bushes"
Doddy " so new bushes then"?
Suspension guru "nah"
Awwwkwaaaaarrrd !
I might go and buy some bushes now.
"Nah"
Are bushes the same as what americans would call Bushings?
aaa...I'm still waiting for the Carbon fiber video u promised for Monday
Lol
Has it arrived yet?
LoL
Can you make also a maintenance video for Lefty forks, here in the Netherlands many XC bikers have those forks, but a good maintenance isn't there.
@Erwin Meulman ohhh leftys nice,tbh those are made by fox so pretty much they're reliable,since under that rubber dust boot there's a square stanchion it has needle bearing in every face of that stanchion so good grease is needed such as royal purple synth high performance grease,just a rag clean of everything and re apply this grease,now the rebound part and such umm I didn't got that far in videos cuz usually that's straight shop work more than a user job
Doddy, as the tech guy look into a Cannondale Lefty fork and see what is inside and how they work.
0:58 don't you mean a third of the price of the bike?
AF25 i dont think so
Depends on the bike, really...
Yesto he said u have to buy the whole unit meaning th whole fork but then he said that's about a third of the price of a new fork so???
AF25 meaning a new crown steerer and stanchion unit- you don't have to replace the lowers or internals- the crown unit costs about a third as much as a new fork
well it's a good excuse to buy a new one then. :D
we could really use those kinds of excuses. ;)
I've just got my full sus brand new and i'm already worried about wearing it down, want to make sure i'm looking after it properly but not over doing it
@Spill Burg cuz that business works around maintenance so the fast a dust wiper or fork oil degrades the better for the business cuz its more payed work 😊 if u ask 30buck just by changing oil dont u want it to change oil more often???
All these fork maintaining videos you've uploaded have made me wonder, how do I know when my fork needs to be serviced? I have the tools and the knowledge. I just need to know what signs to look for that say "fix it"
Yeah...I want to know this too. Do we just drop the lower every couple weeks or after a certain number of rides or mileage and check?
Chad Ashton its based on the hours. Fox recommends 100 hours or 1 year whichever comes first
Gotcha. Thanks for the info. Now that you mention...I do remember reading something about 1000 hours. Do the forks generally not dry out during that time? I guess it would depend on conditions as much as anything. I don't live or ride in a particularly dry area so it probably wouldn't be an issue for me...but I'd image someone that rides out west might need to check more often. Or maybe not...lol...I'm a rigid guy at the moment and have been for a while. But I'm in the market for a hardtail or full suspension bike as my older body is taking a beating and starting to feel the effects of riding with no suspension.
Chad Ashton, just to give a negative example, I never serviced my rockshox but always kept the tubes clean. Last week after >10 years of semi-frequent use it suddenly stuck completely. I opened it up only to find all oil had gone. The anodizing around the bushings is scratched.Kind of a facepalm moment, as there had been warning signs one year before (sticky remains of oil on the tubes after riding). Didn't do anything about it except for being impressed how great the fork had been holding up over the years, duh.
If I only ride my mountain bike 3 months out of the year for maybe 2 times a week, how would that affect the recommended service interval when you guys say a year etc?
Is it OK to use engine oil 0w30 to lower leg lubricant because in my place its hard to get rockshox oil 0w30
I wipe my suspension down after every ride with a clean rag with a bit of silicone suspension spray on the rag itself. Should I ditch the silicone spray and just wipe with a dry rag or is silicone alright? I only spray a small amount on the rag so the suspension is not wet after wiping.
Yeah that'll be fine Jaisah! You want to spray it on the rag and wipe so as not to overspray onto a disc brake. The main problems arise when people douse heavier greases and sprays on there which causes dirt to stick to the stanchion and seal
Clean the seals, put a few drops of lower oil on the stanchions and pump it 4 times. Rinse repeat till no more debris comes out.
My forks seem to only now work when i'm breaking, any ideas on what i can do to fix this??
I have one question though. What about Air sprung forks? I am fairly new to the mountain bike field so I might be asking a stupid question and it's the same maintenance. Either way my question still stands.
MasterChief635 that is an air sprung fork..
Where can I find your link for the service?
What about regular maintenance after a ride? anything other than giving the stanchions a good wipe?
I like using a toothpick to get the dirt from the seals and polish the stanchions with a silicon based spray.
thanks!
flip your bike over and let it sit upside down for a while so some of that oil in the lowers can seep back into and lubricate the seals.
I want a better suspension what one should I do
From what my shop has told me, you can't replace the lower leg bushings on Rockshox. Is this true?
I’m a bit late on this but does this apply to spring coil shocks? For example I have a rock shox coil shock
fork deo? go or no go?
very good video lads. getting in touch with mojo suspension and so on
What shorts do you guys recommend. I have quite skinny legs so they can't be too baggy but any suggestions would be appreciated
boa tarde, você poderia fazer um vídeo de manutenção em um suspensão boxxer wc 2013 e em um shox vivid air , pois moro em maceió alagoas e aqui não tem como fazer esse serviço , então eu mesmo terei que realizá-lo , mas não estou seguro, o meu shox não está segurando ar e estou com medo de danificá-lo. e já é bem difícil de conseguir as peças para os reparos, mesmo na internet. obrigado . aguardo contato. Eu sou do Brasil .
What a nice bloke
Do they really replace bushings for RockShox forks (Pike)? As far as I know you (as a customer) actually cannot buy replacement bushings, and I haven't yet heard of a third party company that offers this service either.
Pretty sure for Rock Shox you need to buy an entire set of lowers... sucks...
Would you ever cover specialty forks like the Cannondale Lefty? Thats what I happened to use, and not sure if its much different in terms what to look for. Thanks!
why dont they put booties on the shocks? Would think that would make them last alot longer between cleanings.
Spill Burg it's not eye candy
I agree, I live in Malawi - No bike shops apart from 1 dodgy one. I'd love to have one on my fork because parts are only available by post. It would probably allow the fork to last longer as no dust is exposed to stanchions and seals, internals too. The main reason for oil changes is contamination from dirt. It makes sense to have boots on stanchions, it would also stop scratches
The nastiness will get inside anyways, causing even more scraping.
not if there is a tight seal on top and bottom
Dust gets in everywhere, even through the tightest seals. There's a reason modern mountainbike forks don't have sleeves on the stanchions.
i know i dont need to but is it ok if i turn it up side down for 10 mins everyday?
Where is 7 things you didnt know about carbon fibre?? Its been promised around 4 times!
Ako imaš pare da mijenjaš ramove svake god kad ga krekaš, onda da
They might have come up on the 8th thing and are hustling now to squeeze it in!
Turns out you knew it already...
@@richpotatothebestg.m.ovegg2599 ма шта кажеш
my MTB's forks are so stiff it is like they are jammed with zero travel
turn the dials on the top of the forks anticlockwise on both forks they will become less stiff
What do i lube my stanchions with. I have a fox fork, do i use the fox 20wt gold oil?
Thanks for the video. Just ordered some new forks so this came at the perfect time 👍🏼
My seal of my suntour xce keeps coming off, it moves up the fork and stays their i really really need some help with this im 14 and dont know how to fix this please help???
What about Suspension Grease for the stanchions? Good or is it too thick?
Does anyone know what u should use to oil the stanchions of my pike? Sometimes the stanchions run a bit dry during runs and I'd be good to lube it up a bit to reduce friction...thanks
If your stanchions are 'running dry' it's because the wiper seal and foam ring inside the fork aren't lubricated enough, therefore your lowers need a top up of oil! Don't lubricate the stanchion with an oil or lube as this inevitably be too much and will attract dust and grit which will damage the stanchion and eat through the wiper seal in no time at all!
Global Mountain Bike Network What are your thoughts on lubing the stanchions with silicone Spray?
Will i lose warranty if i do lower leg service at home?
Radi šta hoćeš koga briga
Maj Mihajlovic no
That's why I only ride upside down Lefty and the dayd. Both is best German engineering. No maintenance necessary. I have more important things todo. I have to ride and don't want to waist money ore time for cleaning stuff, that could have been constructed maintenance oriented
Great video, more like this please GMBN
Cheers, mate! This is very helpful, well explained!
Did anyone know the name of the fork with scratch? I have exactly that fork, but from a second hand bike and I want to know how that type of fork is....
looked like an older generation fox 32 maybe?
best thing about a sr shittour fork is that the only thing you have to do to them is spray wd40 onto the seals and they are good as new
Just looking for the lower leg service link in the comment section.
that guy was amazing :D
very good video !!! thanks
I'm back and i still won't be doing any of these!
my bike is like 17 years old and i've never done it... lol
PS i did open it up a few weeks ago to clean and grease it. it was completely dry lol. now it's working like new again.
Nice one guys, thank you
Think Doddy like lower leg service. 2nd video on the subject.
the guy at the end seemed excited to be on camera
Good tips.
What about rockshox
#askgmbn what does it means if oil if on the stantions when I compress the forks
$$$
Isaac Willoughby most likely means your seals have blown and you need at least a lower leg service. Best to take it in to the lbs
Fraser Davidson so get them serviced?
Isaac Willoughby yeah. Depends on the fork. If it's an air fork, it should be readily serviceable. If it's a cheap sun tour, it's probably going to be hard to find parts for. Leaking oil is a blown seal though.
Fraser Davidson I have a sun tour air fork though so ?
Great vid thanks!
Fox seals and dust wipers kit is very cheap...
But the real question here is how often do you need to do that.
My giant tech guy said to me like every 2 season to do a full service and 1 season to check the suspension but i want perfect suspension for my bike but paying low price
It is real to do that
Nicolas Montpetit ehhh, my friends cousin hasn't serviced his marzocchi bomber 66 in 4 years. But like idk man, I don't, I should, but it's a lot of money to constantly service em.
Squeaking suspension?
is that guy with Doddy high?
Rendy de Puniet yeah, probably 6'3"
Finn Cousins. Oh, wow... 😂
HELP. Is the Fox 32 TALAS 150 FIT RLC suitable for light trail ride, with drops smaller than 60cm, not sure if I managed to ruin it? my fork is at the service more than a week now, still don't know how much would cost to replace the bushings... detailed specs of the fork: www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/Fox-32-TALAS-150-FIT-RLC,2542/sspomer,2
THANK YOU:
yes
Clean and a light spray of silicone , don't wipe it off , let it dry , do this after every ride . Dropper posts and shock too .
I have a rigid fork.
hey, where's neil?
big crash on his road bike so probably still recovering from that. Lots of photos on his Facebook page.
Basic maintenance? So nothing about lubing the stanchion tubes? Just replace the seals when they dry out from lack of basic maintenance? Weird. I
Buy*
Make video on suntour forks.
Everything functions properly th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of TH-cam. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
Ow dear he wasn't very prepared for this interview was he haha
Cant believe noone recommends fork sleves they stop a lot of dirt
4 minute video to say keep them clean keep them lubricated 😂🤣 jheeze Christ
wash your fork every day!
No not everday it might get water inside
2nd
Who would ever take advice from a guy with a man bun??? Doddy???
#9
TriRiderFilms do u want a fucking medal
3nd
Why this guy never get to the point!
Waste time watching your video because you will never reply our simple question.
First!!!
Congratulations you are first
Nobody cares!!!
no