Corrupt is not the word. This is an Arena that your Afriforum is failing miserably - and because you think Afriforum and Afrikaaner whiteness possess superior logic. You can't get yourself to admit that they are losing LIVE on a national television, for the 2nd time.
there's a really simple test for all of this: the court [and the EFF] need to ask themselves the following: if Afriforum [for eg] all of a sudden started singing "Kill the Muntu, Kill the Domestic Worker" at their gatherings and rallies....[1] how would they [the EFF] feel about that and [2] how would the court judge it?
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 [1] cos two wrongs don't make a right, [2] cos that is what an emotionally immature anarchist would do, [3] it is racist and prejudicial and wouldn't solve the problem and [4] it will only cause tension, division and anarchy and will only serve to reinforce the misconception that all whites/afrikaaners are inherently racist and [5] that is what the Equality Court and Human Rights Council is there for but don't seem to have the balls to rule [in accordance with democratic rule of law and our constitution]. So thanks but no thanks
I don't agree with everything malema want but if you remove your superiority thinking of thinking pink people are better than Africans may be you will start to be fair person
I honestly think Malema gets too much TV time and press attention, I don't care what he says or does as it's just a waste of time and energy which I think I can better use for making this country better, it starts with every individual not these politicians
There can only be one successful and sensible outcome to this case. That would be a total ban on Malema for using hate speech. Any other outcome would be unsatisfactory and make a complete mockery of equality before the law.
Not in SA. Our chants could not be banned during Cokonial-Apartheid Era and post Aoartheid. We shall never allow that to happen. We ushered in freedom of expression in 1994. If you can't deal with it, rather elope.
@musajohannessithole8970 I'm a supporter of freedom of speech and expression... do you believe the k-word should be allowed to be said? Or the old flag to be flown?
@@seanprinsen7265 Do you think we care. We are not spoilt Bret. If calling us names did not do anything to us during Apartheid why should we care now? We are not spoilt Brets. We ushered in freedom of expression, we fear nothing. We are not like your predecessors.
@@JJfromJ We can only blame advanced western medications and medical practices for the lowering and voiding of child mortality, hence large population explosion post colonial arrival. 🤣
Of course - only Europeans can be racists. For some strange reason, Whites are not supposed to be proud of what they are? I am sure that any human being must strive to be the best they can be, without changing the talents and special characteristics, they are born with. We must learn from each other and teach each other if we want to progress out of this primitive behavior of competition, dominance, and conflict. There cannot be any real winner if there are losers.
look Malama's EFF was established after the end of apartheid. so his reason to sing a struggle song is invalid. you don't ask a white person if the word Kaffer offends him, you ask the black person who it offends, same a you don't ask a black person or a panel of human rite commission members who are all black, if kill the Boer song is offensive.
You really think the oppression of blacks ended the day people lined up to throw a crossed mark paper in a box. The oppressor doesn't get to play victim to change the narrative.
Offsprings of Colonial and Apartheid Masters do not understand what freedom of expression means. They are spoilt Brets who used to protected by oppressing Blacks from exercising their right to freedom of expression. Why do you expose yourself to a subject matter which shall offend you? No one forced you to listen to CIC Malema.
Mark, I wish you will also mention that because of Malema`s ridiculous and radical instigating songs, the country lost a lot of jobs because of people fleeing the country. How will he guarantee old people`s pensions if he depleted the income tax base? The poor people suffers yet again.
When Boer is used in any language, except similar languages as in Dutch, but Afrikaans, it refers to White Afrikaner. Just in Afrikaans in South-Africa, it means both and the difference lies in the capitalisation of the word, Boer=White Afrikaner as opposed to boer=farmer Either way it refers to a particular group. And since everyone in South-Africa understands the clear difference and the context used in the song, how is it that ignorance is justified? If I should steal something I can't say I didn't know as I have never read the law or have never been told not too? Not even during Apartheid was the K word used in media, public, work places or allowed at school (you would get a hiding if a teacher heard you and that was made very clear). And yet at the end and today, you could according to the case here, apparently use it when you refer only to an unbeliever, the ACTUAL MEANING from Pakistan of the word that came here via the British, it should be fine, just as long as it's not used in context to refer to non-Whites specifically?
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Then that would be to kill farmers. You know about the farm murders? An actual thing happening and they have found this slogan written on the walls at a scene.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 replaced by whom?! Are you going to walk up to his family and say: "Here is your father/husband/brother's replacement." !? So am I correct in asking if you value this person's life, because what your reply sounds like, is the opposite?
We actually want that, it may just speed up reform in our country. I would even be willing to hold a megaphone for you while you belt out a hearty rendition of stem in public.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 No one on this earth knows why bantu Africans want a war with Europeans. We won't be using single shot black powder rifles if it kicks off. You might aswell shoot your shot before an actual war is started and you people get wiped off the map.
This must be a European South African. What does the natives need to be forgiven for tolerating strangers coming onto their own land and then slaving them in their own country. The only thing that needs to be given is reparations to the natives of South Africa. They need to be given back everything that was stolen from them then there could be some forgiveness.
Unfortunately it isn't that simple. Thinking of today is not the backwards thinking of the past. It takes time to build, it takes time to change, It takes time to forgive and if you pay attention that process have been in the works since 1994. Even though the settlers then brought the world's knowledge, medicine and so many advances to better the lifes of all that live here. They helped organise the people. So many tribes was scattered and killing one another. A country was formed and it gave everyone a means to build upon all included. It is unfortunate that the previous goverment brought apartheid and as tough as it may have seemed apart from the propaganda of the ANC making it sound much worse than it was. Ask the elderly of the black communities. Yes, it was wrong, yes it hurts but at least the communities thrived and all had opportunity. Time will heal these wounds. @@carlalandrau6033
@@carlalandrau6033....... and there you have it. The elephant in the room. Always comes down to the money. Whether it is an African American in Detroit, a Ghanaian in France or an Ivorean in Italy complaining about the colonialist's crimes foisted on the poor indigenous fellows, reparations (money) will make it right. One problem, if the colonialists are so bad, why did you stay in / move to their countries? And why are there droves of your bretheren trying their level best to migrate there??
Compared to his non-sensical approach in attempting to protect the display of the old South African flag, Mark Oppenheimer is making an extremely strong and rational case in this instance. If logic and equality has meaning in South African courts, then there can only be one verdict - that Malema should be convicted of hate speech, period!
Africans demage by Liberation War Murderess plaster English language of Foreigners. Preferred Foreigners projects first. With stolen cash bribes hidden for you and generation demajge our Generation with technology with I don't care bad attitude n Leave me out..alcohol additive and Drugs
Lol what about the land? This case has been has been in recess since 1600s we don't care about betamales incapable of understanding the difference between a traditional chant and a dog whistle how many of our brothers and sisters are wyt yet also our brothers and sisters are landless wyt people are happy to compromise the will to land our people yet you want to virtue signal like roles are reversed from apartheid when it is blk people die-ing without dignity
Love what the fmf is doing here. Ignoring Race and looking at political Status of individual spewing hatred Hardly something a reasonable court can avoid.
Did you really say "a reasonable court" ?? That's like looking for hen's teeth... If you really want justice in this Country and have the funds and the will to fight on then you are forced to go to the SCA and ultimately to the Constitutional Court and even here so many rulings go against what you term a reasonable Court. Good luck Mark and thank you for fighting the good fight. I have absolutely no doubt that had you been a presiding judge we just might have a reasonable Court. Here's hoping...
Ignoring race is keeping white in power, we are wise to declarations of "non racialism" in a country built on race. Townships are a race thing, how about non racialism after there are no longer townships? No??😂
@@janineroux2398 really the idea that we can just move on without retribution or reparations after the horrors enacted on us is risible. I can offer you my pity and by you I mean you and yours, but forgiveness, never!
They make excellent soldiers and assassins though so never you mind we will find use for them. Their bodies shall be infused into the masonry once we rebuild this country from the ashes of our phyrric victory if push will have come to shove.😊
@@adriansmuts5086 I do apologise for being critical........ I should have investigated the context first... I am sure that it pertained to the argument being presented......... I retract my statement........
Or laptop for that matter, in closing. Obviously doesn't care about this superbly articulated argument with groundbreaking consequences if the rule of law is to be equitably upheld.
@@berenecewessels6543 no matter how the white people cry, the STOLEN land must be returned to the owners. The black youths are ready; anyhow, you want it in peace or pieces.
That is a racist statement because you are disregarding the struggle for freedom. These were chants that were chanted demanding for our freedom. If we wanted to kill boers we would have done it long ago. Kill the boer, in this context, means kill the apartheid government. The people that sing this song know that very well
malema doesnt know relevance ....no use explaining ....adding reference or context....makes it even more complicated....he must be just sent to kwandebele
There's no such thing as hate speech, and there shouldn't be a law against it: there should be a punishment for calling for murder where murder actually follows. That punishment should be death.
Psalms 19:8-14 (NKJV) 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes; 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, Yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned, And in keeping them there is great reward. 12 Who can understand his errors? Cleanse me from secret faults. 13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins; Let them not have dominion over me. Then I shall be blameless, And I shall be innocent of great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my strength and my Redeemer.
@gertsteenkamp6970 are you sure you wanna bring god into this conversation? After all the brutal things done by the minorities to Africans for decades?
This is meant as ideological and political talking points - advocacy. What btw has any of this to do with free market economics? Nada of course, this is about crowd funding and identity politics. (Have you seen FMF crowds?) This is what all these classic liberal and libertarian organisations are these days. Nevermind the legal argument (pretty poor), the objective here is to argue and claim there are double standards, Afrikaners are 2nd class citizens and that the laws are racist (regardless of the ruling and legal merits). The Gauntlett (Afriforum) appeal is much better, focusing on some genuine errors in the ruling, although if is enough to make up for the poor legal strategy and arguments followed the first time around - we will have to see...
Liken to Cleopatra who cannot be classed or identify as being Egyptian. Which she never was, as she ruled over Egypt for many, many years. Only because at that time she SHARED the Egyptian CULTURE. The optimum word is to share and not take. And usurp it or steal it for her own selfish needs. Or to use the Egyptian country to facilitate her own terms and conditions upon it. Noting that we are all unique, just everyone else is unique. As U cannot be more than than what U are...What these racist are asking is for us to cut off our limbs, our arms and legs to please them...In short a country which eradicates it's past shall have no future... Period....
Singing, "Kill the boer, kill the farmer" doesn't mean,murder of individuals,but destroying of apartheid and discrimination,and making sure that there will be reversal of theft of land and other production factors that was done during apartheid by the apartheid government,it's not good for indigenous south Africans to be exploited in their own country
@@teeeceee624 This is joke😂! He's going to humiliate himself again. Why they don't just join DA and go to the international criminal court because john stenheeisen said he was going there. In my view, they will lose this case again because there is certainly no incitement of violence in the song "kill the pink boer, kill the farmer". They're just there in court to display white arrogance and white supremacy.
This is the issue in south Africa. It was made clear the song is about the system and not any particular race yet somehow pple want to hear what they want to hear and create more divide in an already divided country.never will we progress at this rate. Politics will always divide and distract from the real issues everyday pple face. Why would pple want to identify themselves with a word that has so much negative history in this country is beyond me.
Who is going to supervise the banning of a historical song that reminds blacks that they are still opressed economically 😂by beneficiaries of the apartheid state
@@lynnehorn2220 the beneficiaries of the most heinous crime against humanity are telling the affected historically oppressed to get over it, imagine if a German person tells jews to get over the holocaust, an English man telling boers to get over the anglo boer war as it happened a long time ago.U disrespectful ignoramus
This is a song which has got nothing to do with equality before the law. It is about erasing the struggle history. It is sensorship reimagined. Let's hear what the SCA says.
Looking at some comments elsewhere on YT. The Africans in other parts of Africa are singing that struggle song and there's plenty of support for Malema. Do not take him to be the fool he's not. The other countries further north especially the younger one's they are willing to come to SA and take up Malema's cause to unite Africa and get rid of "colonialists. Thats my understanding I could be wrong. You have to be prepared for sny outcome.
You may well be right there, on the eventuality of that outcome. What I find really difficult to understand, though, is that the same Malema (and others with a similar mindset) don't see the danger of simply exchanging one colonialist with another. If indeed they do not see it, then they're being very naive.
@@wernerstapela4616 perhaps, but it doesn't mean we should not attempt any change because change is precarious. We have contended with the status quo hoping the colonialists will come to their senses but so far they protest against BEE even though it hasn't even dented the racio-economic divide. You all deserve what you have fomented, I am only sorry if you are actually one of the good ones.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 I am one of the good ones. China's Xi Jing told Cyril Ramaphosa that BEE should go in SA because their is so much red tape as in filling out forms for importing goods into SA even the Chinese are complaining because sometimes it can take up to nine months for clearance to SA and of course the Chinese will have to pay courier services as the Post Office in SA is now in liquidation. I think the Chinese people have a valid point.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 No, by all means contemplate change, indeed it's sorely needed in SA. I'm simply suggesting that the powers that be keep their eyes and ears open when contemplating the direction, lest they end up exactly where they thought they were escaping from. As regards BEE, there are good reasons it has not changed the racio-economic divide much, and I suspect you're well aware of them. They certainly have not achieved what they were set out to achieve, through no fault of the "colonialists". You may want to be a little circumspect with tossing around the "you's" (deserve, fomented, etc.), I have not fomented anything in SA, nor am I likely to suffer any personal consequences of changes, save for withdrawing the minute investment I have there. And that can be done at the click of a mouse.
@@wernerstapela4616 my apologies for my adversarial mien. We all know BEE implementation has failed, the implementation of it, but instead of coming up with a policy like Neo-BEE for example which will correct for the mistakes in implementation the second biggest opposition propose to abandon race as a proxy which is double speak for try to help black people but without disturbing white peoples economic dominance. So more of the same. As regards foreign direct investment, at the risk of sounding ignorant, I have come to find it means allowing the country's inhabitants to suffer while foreign powers benefit. For example companies will lobby to lower the minimum wage but never considering the price of a basic food basket which is already above minimum wage thus forcing malnutrition on a family that will churn out more minimum wagers creating a doom loop of investment and debilitation.
The afriforum case is based on swaartgewaar not facts😂white fears which have been entertained from Mandela's era not based on facts 😂while teal harm is suffered by real victims of disposation black Africans
Ask the citizens who are suffering because of those people They remove the pages from the bible which says don't even pray for that type of people It is ovious that you are not among the down trotten who are who So i say to mr. Melena Cry aloud for your people Those people The people who you are dealing with can not be handle with kid with gloves Just ask the native American I can see changes already Our God will make it right Fight on our brother ftght on brother
Just because you can is not to say you should. And if you do; remind the people of the heritage before and/or after the song shows goodwill AND a great leader with WISDOM..........
@@weymouthesterhuizen1145 Look fact of the matter is that the song is going nowhere, the sooner you accept that, the better. Black people are forced to sing Die stem, and some white people don't want to let go of the apartheid flag.
@@kgomotsomfisa7038 So nothing to do with heritage or even doing as I suggested for heritage...got to do with spite....and then it has the word kill in....well....there you have it now.....not right my man.....sorry. I am unfortunitly white and now I as a young person...previdge you might say because of my white skin...so the idea is to sweep all under the same brush....hayboo....sorry.....no can co on that comment...so clearly that is what the song promtes for you and thenn for others aswell......no heritage...it promtes hate through spite not education in thanks to the elders who fought for libertion for all I might ad........thanks to so caled leadership....for votes....self interest....devidr and.concour is an old mentality.......and we have to look up to that now as a nation as a leader to unite a country in our diversaty......what a President.....i cannot believe you said this on social media. Wow to this lack of conscience in a new SA.....I love my freedom liberation brought me and so should ee all. Sorry my fellow man...that just did not promte love understanding nor education through the heritage of your (our) struggle....as here we are....still in this struggle...through a handfull of people influancing us towarfs hate....dividing the nation. Not right.....i cannot chage the past, but I can sure try and change the future and so should we all.
Wonder where all these lawyers where during apartheid. Was it right then bcos it was blacks being killed? Regardless, I'm happy we both get to experience each other's pain. Malema shud contunue with this momentum. Viva pan Africanism.
we the first nation not part of this corporation south africa. the corporation has been served again. we the first nation want the contract that you can be here. don come with constitution of the corporation south africa listed on america s.e.c.
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The double standard is nauseating.
Gonna take a while for it to sink in that the courts are corrupt.
But keep on trying 👍
Corrupt is not the word. This is an Arena that your Afriforum is failing miserably - and because you think Afriforum and Afrikaaner whiteness possess superior logic. You can't get yourself to admit that they are losing LIVE on a national television, for the 2nd time.
@teeeceee624 what stupid fking racist comment.
😂😂😇😊
@@teeeceee624non-violence is civilized... Or haven't you heard....
@@janineroux2398 No1 is violent. We talking hate speech here. Follow the case.
All ANC cadres not just malenema
"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others "-George Orwell (animal farm)
Unfortunately, this is the fake and evil philosophy of the human race as a whole.
Well we live and learn as the supermajority.😇
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Go and be equal in Europe you can occupy the cave
@@FMFSouthAfrica grift if you can.
there's a really simple test for all of this: the court [and the EFF] need to ask themselves the following: if Afriforum [for eg] all of a sudden started singing "Kill the Muntu, Kill the Domestic Worker" at their gatherings and rallies....[1] how would they [the EFF] feel about that and [2] how would the court judge it?
Why don't you do it and stop speculating? The only way to know what will happen is to do it.
100% correct. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 [1] cos two wrongs don't make a right, [2] cos that is what an emotionally immature anarchist would do, [3] it is racist and prejudicial and wouldn't solve the problem and [4] it will only cause tension, division and anarchy and will only serve to reinforce the misconception that all whites/afrikaaners are inherently racist and [5] that is what the Equality Court and Human Rights Council is there for but don't seem to have the balls to rule [in accordance with democratic rule of law and our constitution]. So thanks but no thanks
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Where are you from Gaddafi?
@@dieontwerper8083 would you be enquiring this if I were spouting white liberal talking points?
Malema must be jailed. Evil to the core.
20 years hard labour.
Start adopting, he shall be your President.
I don't agree with everything malema want but if you remove your superiority thinking of thinking pink people are better than Africans may be you will start to be fair person
I would have said the same if a pink person behaved like Malema
@@cape239 go tell treblach
I honestly think Malema gets too much TV time and press attention, I don't care what he says or does as it's just a waste of time and energy which I think I can better use for making this country better, it starts with every individual not these politicians
Malenema belongs behind bars.
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That is not going to happen; the white will then leave South Africa.
You'll never see him in jail, that's our Commander In Chief
You are lying!!!!!!
There can only be one successful and sensible outcome to this case. That would be a total ban on Malema for using hate speech. Any other outcome would be unsatisfactory and make a complete mockery of equality before the law.
Not in SA. Our chants could not be banned during Cokonial-Apartheid Era and post Aoartheid. We shall never allow that to happen. We ushered in freedom of expression in 1994. If you can't deal with it, rather elope.
@@musajohannessithole8970cry louder
@musajohannessithole8970 I'm a supporter of freedom of speech and expression... do you believe the k-word should be allowed to be said? Or the old flag to be flown?
@@seanprinsen7265 Do you think we care. We are not spoilt Bret. If calling us names did not do anything to us during Apartheid why should we care now? We are not spoilt Brets. We ushered in freedom of expression, we fear nothing. We are not like your predecessors.
@@musajohannessithole8970 I wonder what Malema has to offer the country? He will give you guns to eat
Let us fight Julius Malema in the highest court...take his hate up with God. Malema is clearly not God fearing and that is his weakness!
Someone should arrange the meeting between him and God.
Satan himself, created by Lucifer
La nyela
@@mankaner😂 if only someone would.
Do not mock God...no man can stand before Our Heavenly Father and remain alive. We are to humble ourselves.
Malema will one day taste what he sew now!
He already tasted what white poeple "sew" a long time ago
Malema does sewing? I knew it, his secret is out. Poor man will never survive the shame.
Sew,sew,sew and not a stitch to see!!!
The Eff is only a stich.
I fully agree with the lawyer/attorney
The focus today, is not so much on the little Zim born agitator, than it's on the independence of SA courts.
Precisely
Where the hell do you get Zim from? He wasn't born in Zim.
@@pettigrewtristanWho knows?? He is of uncertain extraction at best and of disagreeing lineage at least.
@@pettigrewtristanThe crime is not where he was born but the fact that he was born!!!!
@@JJfromJ We can only blame advanced western medications and medical practices for the lowering and voiding of child mortality, hence large population explosion post colonial arrival. 🤣
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Remember, according to the SAHRC, Malema didn't engage in hate speech because he's black.
I remember.😊
That is the perfect example of double standards in this country. It’s a lie and must not be allowed.
Of course - only Europeans can be racists.
For some strange reason, Whites are not supposed to be proud of what they are?
I am sure that any human being must strive to be the best they can be, without changing the talents and special characteristics, they are born with.
We must learn from each other and teach each other if we want to progress out of this primitive
behavior of competition, dominance, and conflict.
There cannot be any real winner if there are losers.
look Malama's EFF was established after the end of apartheid. so his reason to sing a struggle song is invalid. you don't ask a white person if the word Kaffer offends him, you ask the black person who it offends, same a you don't ask a black person or a panel of human rite commission members who are all black, if kill the Boer song is offensive.
You really think the oppression of blacks ended the day people lined up to throw a crossed mark paper in a box.
The oppressor doesn't get to play victim to change the narrative.
Offsprings of Colonial and Apartheid Masters do not understand what freedom of expression means. They are spoilt Brets who used to protected by oppressing Blacks from exercising their right to freedom of expression. Why do you expose yourself to a subject matter which shall offend you? No one forced you to listen to CIC Malema.
You are talking bullshit
Mark, I wish you will also mention that because of Malema`s ridiculous and radical instigating songs, the country lost a lot of jobs because of people fleeing the country. How will he guarantee old people`s pensions if he depleted the income tax base?
The poor people suffers yet again.
When Boer is used in any language, except similar languages as in Dutch, but Afrikaans, it refers to White Afrikaner. Just in Afrikaans in South-Africa, it means both and the difference lies in the capitalisation of the word, Boer=White Afrikaner as opposed to boer=farmer
Either way it refers to a particular group. And since everyone in South-Africa understands the clear difference and the context used in the song, how is it that ignorance is justified?
If I should steal something I can't say I didn't know as I have never read the law or have never been told not too?
Not even during Apartheid was the K word used in media, public, work places or allowed at school (you would get a hiding if a teacher heard you and that was made very clear). And yet at the end and today, you could according to the case here, apparently use it when you refer only to an unbeliever, the ACTUAL MEANING from Pakistan of the word that came here via the British, it should be fine, just as long as it's not used in context to refer to non-Whites specifically?
I often call my white mates the K word, they dont have an issue with it?
So in short, uhh kill the boer??
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Then that would be to kill farmers. You know about the farm murders? An actual thing happening and they have found this slogan written on the walls at a scene.
@@psylentrage but farmers can be replaced my good sir, can they not?
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 replaced by whom?! Are you going to walk up to his family and say: "Here is your father/husband/brother's replacement." !? So am I correct in asking if you value this person's life, because what your reply sounds like, is the opposite?
Easy fix: paint Malema in gloss white enamel and have him explain himself.
😂😂yes, do that please.
SO I WILL BE SINGING THE REAL SOUTH AFRICAN ANTHEM - DIE STEM AND BE FLYING THE OLD SOUTH AFRICAN FLAG. THESE WERE CREATED OUT OF STRUGGLE.
Conveniently forgotten by "fellow" citizens...
That's your business, do we think we care. You've been doing that anyway. We don't care because we know it won't bring back Apartheid.
@@musajohannessithole8970 No you don't think at all...
We actually want that, it may just speed up reform in our country. I would even be willing to hold a megaphone for you while you belt out a hearty rendition of stem in public.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 No one on this earth knows why bantu Africans want a war with Europeans. We won't be using single shot black powder rifles if it kicks off. You might aswell shoot your shot before an actual war is started and you people get wiped off the map.
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Malema for President!
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Now it's time for the people who leaves in South Africa to rise and come together and speak one league of peace and forgiveness to each other
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Justice before peace!
This must be a European South African. What does the natives need to be forgiven for tolerating strangers coming onto their own land and then slaving them in their own country. The only thing that needs to be given is reparations to the natives of South Africa. They need to be given back everything that was stolen from them then there could be some forgiveness.
Unfortunately it isn't that simple. Thinking of today is not the backwards thinking of the past. It takes time to build, it takes time to change, It takes time to forgive and if you pay attention that process have been in the works since 1994. Even though the settlers then brought the world's knowledge, medicine and so many advances to better the lifes of all that live here. They helped organise the people. So many tribes was scattered and killing one another. A country was formed and it gave everyone a means to build upon all included. It is unfortunate that the previous goverment brought apartheid and as tough as it may have seemed apart from the propaganda of the ANC making it sound much worse than it was. Ask the elderly of the black communities. Yes, it was wrong, yes it hurts but at least the communities thrived and all had opportunity. Time will heal these wounds. @@carlalandrau6033
@@carlalandrau6033....... and there you have it. The elephant in the room. Always comes down to the money. Whether it is an African American in Detroit, a Ghanaian in France or an Ivorean in Italy complaining about the colonialist's crimes foisted on the poor indigenous fellows, reparations (money) will make it right. One problem, if the colonialists are so bad, why did you stay in / move to their countries? And why are there droves of your bretheren trying their level best to migrate there??
Compared to his non-sensical approach in attempting to protect the display of the old South African flag, Mark Oppenheimer is making an extremely strong and rational case in this instance. If logic and equality has meaning in South African courts, then there can only be one verdict - that Malema should be convicted of hate speech, period!
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The Union Flag was in fact the struggle flag and the NP for years tried to change it.
Africans demage by Liberation War Murderess plaster English language of Foreigners. Preferred Foreigners projects first. With stolen cash bribes hidden for you and generation demajge our Generation with technology with I don't care bad attitude n Leave me out..alcohol additive and Drugs
Lol what about the land? This case has been has been in recess since 1600s we don't care about betamales incapable of understanding the difference between a traditional chant and a dog whistle how many of our brothers and sisters are wyt yet also our brothers and sisters are landless wyt people are happy to compromise the will to land our people yet you want to virtue signal like roles are reversed from apartheid when it is blk people die-ing without dignity
Mention any white person that was arrested for killing black people during apartheid? I'll wait.
Love what the fmf is doing here. Ignoring Race and looking at political Status of individual spewing hatred
Hardly something a reasonable court can avoid.
Did you really say "a reasonable court" ?? That's like looking for hen's teeth...
If you really want justice in this Country and have the funds and the will to fight on then you are forced to go to the SCA and ultimately to the Constitutional Court and even here so many rulings go against what you term a reasonable Court.
Good luck Mark and thank you for fighting the good fight.
I have absolutely no doubt that had you been a presiding judge we just might have a reasonable Court. Here's hoping...
@@TheJuryIsOut hahaha I appreciate your frustration.😊
Ignoring race is keeping white in power, we are wise to declarations of "non racialism" in a country built on race. Townships are a race thing, how about non racialism after there are no longer townships? No??😂
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105Moving on from the past here.... Or not....??
@@janineroux2398 really the idea that we can just move on without retribution or reparations after the horrors enacted on us is risible. I can offer you my pity and by you I mean you and yours, but forgiveness, never!
Check the esteemed man on his phone. 😢
Juli-arse
Why is this case not live?
Old case bruh, Malema already won this.
If Malema wins this... then SA is doomed.
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The young unemployable ones
They make excellent soldiers and assassins though so never you mind we will find use for them. Their bodies shall be infused into the masonry once we rebuild this country from the ashes of our phyrric victory if push will have come to shove.😊
Well said. ❤ United innour diversity. God bless SA. ❤
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The problem here that the esteemed colleague on the left of Mark is more interested in his phone.☹☹☹☹☹
How can you blame the bloke friend? He probably KNOWS ALL is "SORTED." No problem at all.....
Context? What is his role there?
Lol don't try to compare these two in legal arenas. Man is not bothered nor threatened.
@@adriansmuts5086 I do apologise for being critical........ I should have investigated the context first... I am sure that it pertained to the argument being presented......... I retract my statement........
Or laptop for that matter, in closing. Obviously doesn't care about this superbly articulated argument with groundbreaking consequences if the rule of law is to be equitably upheld.
It is scary how inconsistent the courts are
Why are you guys so SCARED of a BRAVE black man?????
@@uzory7116Brave 😂you mean a disrespectful &Rude person
@@berenecewessels6543 I mean the one that makes you to shit on yourself and turn red👌 🤣🤣🤣
@@berenecewessels6543 no matter how the white people
cry, the STOLEN land must be returned to the owners. The black youths are ready; anyhow, you want it in peace or pieces.
@@uzory7116 Your comment make no sense shit on me and turn Red he can shit on you and turn Red stupid comment
If I started chanting, Kill the Malema, Kill the Ju-Ju boy.... then that would be okay right? 🤣Julius must go back to where he came from...
Do you mean that Julius malema must go to seshego in Limpopo? Seshego is noord transvaal in RSA.
That is a racist statement because you are disregarding the struggle for freedom. These were chants that were chanted demanding for our freedom. If we wanted to kill boers we would have done it long ago. Kill the boer, in this context, means kill the apartheid government. The people that sing this song know that very well
Malema is putting a curse on his own people.
God is with Malema.......obadiah is fulfilling
Nope, he's blessing us
malema doesnt know relevance ....no use explaining ....adding reference or context....makes it even more complicated....he must be just sent to kwandebele
Plain Bullshit
Julle morse assem.
UNFORTUNATELY MAMPARAAR MALEMA IS ABOVE THE LAW.
There's no such thing as hate speech, and there shouldn't be a law against it: there should be a punishment for calling for murder where murder actually follows. That punishment should be death.
Jay is such a nice guy.
If Malema were an animal he would be put down surely, serious mental health issues combined with hate is a recipe for disaster.
EFF, stand for Africa Unit, African stand for EFF . Colon hane no stand in front MALEMa.
Brilliant
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This guy nailed it 💯
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Psalms 19:8-14 (NKJV) 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
Yea, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
And in keeping them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors?
Cleanse me from secret faults.
13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me.
Then I shall be blameless,
And I shall be innocent of great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
Be acceptable in Your sight,
O LORD, my strength and my Redeemer.
The system is not broken, it is doing excatly what it is supposed to...
It makes me happy, white rasta it truly makes me happy.😇
Rigth or wrong
If he say kill the boer then we can say kill the ???????
Or we can just sing
The stem
Eff is big big big problem and eff must go go out
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😂 using swart gevaar to fundraise I see, it must be a very lucrative business. Viva EFF ❤❤
@@african-elitetechniques6696 God known he will one time come. Don't shocked or crying... ok.
@gertsteenkamp6970 are you sure you wanna bring god into this conversation? After all the brutal things done by the minorities to Africans for decades?
Trouble makers without them peace will come.
Malema should behave like he expects for people
These bunch of people who are called AFRIKANER, known to be the Afrikaners before and on their arrival in 1652?
Stop using Jan van Riebeeck to represent this case! 😂
Your comment is very mature.
Ag gebruik hulle al weer die lang haar yappie?
In certain cultures long hair means wisdom, may his wisdom reign supremely today
Unnecessary nonsense
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This is meant as ideological and political talking points - advocacy. What btw has any of this to do with free market economics? Nada of course, this is about crowd funding and identity politics. (Have you seen FMF crowds?) This is what all these classic liberal and libertarian organisations are these days. Nevermind the legal argument (pretty poor), the objective here is to argue and claim there are double standards, Afrikaners are 2nd class citizens and that the laws are racist (regardless of the ruling and legal merits). The Gauntlett (Afriforum) appeal is much better, focusing on some genuine errors in the ruling, although if is enough to make up for the poor legal strategy and arguments followed the first time around - we will have to see...
these fools must rot in jail
In your dreams
Liken to Cleopatra who cannot be classed or identify as being Egyptian. Which she never was, as she ruled over Egypt for many, many years. Only because at that time she SHARED the Egyptian CULTURE. The optimum word is to share and not take. And usurp it or steal it for her own selfish needs. Or to use the Egyptian country to facilitate her own terms and conditions upon it. Noting that we are all unique, just everyone else is unique. As U cannot be more than than what U are...What these racist are asking is for us to cut off our limbs, our arms and legs to please them...In short a country which eradicates it's past shall have no future... Period....
Proud of EFF. Malema has my vote next year 2024.
Good.
Good luck with that one.
Malema said he is not religious so the K word should be in order then when it comes to him
You posting one side of the argument. What happened to examination of all grounds and arguments.
Then drawing conclusion. It doesn't matter?
White is right I think.
The nostalgia is actually funny 😑
Malema tore this advocate apart last time. We need someone stronger!
He didnt tore anybody apart ,he just spew insults ,there is a difference
Malema will be your president next year 😅🖤💚❤️we’re 100% behind the CIC
Keep on DREAMING
Singing, "Kill the boer, kill the farmer" doesn't mean,murder of individuals,but destroying of apartheid and discrimination,and making sure that there will be reversal of theft of land and other production factors that was done during apartheid by the apartheid government,it's not good for indigenous south Africans to be exploited in their own country
Shake them CIC
This is staged
Notice the disrespect of the african man playing on his phone, that is the guy defending racism in africa.
Isn't this that weak Oppenheimer lawyer who miserably failed this case? I thought he was fired! Now he's back 😁😀
Uyena
@@teeeceee624 This is joke😂! He's going to humiliate himself again. Why they don't just join DA and go to the international criminal court because john stenheeisen said he was going there. In my view, they will lose this case again because there is certainly no incitement of violence in the song "kill the pink boer, kill the farmer". They're just there in court to display white arrogance and white supremacy.
This lawyer again😅
😂😂
Malema for President! 2024
This is the issue in south Africa. It was made clear the song is about the system and not any particular race yet somehow pple want to hear what they want to hear and create more divide in an already divided country.never will we progress at this rate. Politics will always divide and distract from the real issues everyday pple face. Why would pple want to identify themselves with a word that has so much negative history in this country is beyond me.
Who is going to supervise the banning of a historical song that reminds blacks that they are still opressed economically 😂by beneficiaries of the apartheid state
Now..who's fault is that?.get a job
@@cape239 white elite oligarchy sponsoring the anc to be corrupt
Apartheid ended nearly 30 years ago. Get over yourself and get a life. Blame the ANC for stuffing everything up and then blaming apartheid.
@@lynnehorn2220 the beneficiaries of the most heinous crime against humanity are telling the affected historically oppressed to get over it, imagine if a German person tells jews to get over the holocaust, an English man telling boers to get over the anglo boer war as it happened a long time ago.U disrespectful ignoramus
As far as optics go if Malema "wins" then guaranteed that South Africa loses
In your dreams
Change the laws then. It’s truth speech; not hate speech.
CIC I'm behind you and we'll protect you
The link btwn the speech ,historical chant or song must be there in fact not in perception 😂
one sided viewing of the arguments.
This is a song which has got nothing to do with equality before the law. It is about erasing the struggle history. It is sensorship reimagined. Let's hear what the SCA says.
I was not finished why did you post my comments
I stand with Malema.
Looking at some comments elsewhere on YT. The Africans in other parts of Africa are singing that struggle song and there's plenty of support for Malema. Do not take him to be the fool he's not. The other countries further north especially the younger one's they are willing to come to SA and take up Malema's cause to unite Africa and get rid of "colonialists. Thats my understanding I could be wrong. You have to be prepared for sny outcome.
You may well be right there, on the eventuality of that outcome. What I find really difficult to understand, though, is that the same Malema (and others with a similar mindset) don't see the danger of simply exchanging one colonialist with another. If indeed they do not see it, then they're being very naive.
@@wernerstapela4616 perhaps, but it doesn't mean we should not attempt any change because change is precarious.
We have contended with the status quo hoping the colonialists will come to their senses but so far they protest against BEE even though it hasn't even dented the racio-economic divide. You all deserve what you have fomented, I am only sorry if you are actually one of the good ones.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 I am one of the good ones. China's Xi Jing told Cyril Ramaphosa that BEE should go in SA because their is so much red tape as in filling out forms for importing goods into SA even the Chinese are complaining because sometimes it can take up to nine months for clearance to SA and of course the Chinese will have to pay courier services as the Post Office in SA is now in liquidation. I think the Chinese people have a valid point.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 No, by all means contemplate change, indeed it's sorely needed in SA. I'm simply suggesting that the powers that be keep their eyes and ears open when contemplating the direction, lest they end up exactly where they thought they were escaping from.
As regards BEE, there are good reasons it has not changed the racio-economic divide much, and I suspect you're well aware of them. They certainly have not achieved what they were set out to achieve, through no fault of the "colonialists".
You may want to be a little circumspect with tossing around the "you's" (deserve, fomented, etc.), I have not fomented anything in SA, nor am I likely to suffer any personal consequences of changes, save for withdrawing the minute investment I have there. And that can be done at the click of a mouse.
@@wernerstapela4616 my apologies for my adversarial mien. We all know BEE implementation has failed, the implementation of it, but instead of coming up with a policy like Neo-BEE for example which will correct for the mistakes in implementation the second biggest opposition propose to abandon race as a proxy which is double speak for try to help black people but without disturbing white peoples economic dominance. So more of the same.
As regards foreign direct investment, at the risk of sounding ignorant, I have come to find it means allowing the country's inhabitants to suffer while foreign powers benefit. For example companies will lobby to lower the minimum wage but never considering the price of a basic food basket which is already above minimum wage thus forcing malnutrition on a family that will churn out more minimum wagers creating a doom loop of investment and debilitation.
The afriforum case is based on swaartgewaar not facts😂white fears which have been entertained from Mandela's era not based on facts 😂while teal harm is suffered by real victims of disposation black Africans
You can’t help yourself can you. Time to become adult sweetie
A tad louder if you care to, good sir.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 the courts should be respected even if whites lose
@@juniormolefe3046 😂!! Very well said!! And said very well!!!
Killing had be endorsed in the US for the attainment of freedom 😂during Amistad trial
As to how mark oppenheimer is still entrusted to win cases after that disasterous kill the boer case still gets me... i have no words
Free way the guy is back 😂
So many white people with red faces in the comments lol
😂😂😂my heart leaps with joy!
Talk that sass from your tin 4x4m home.
Some don't even sleep at night thinking abt our president malema❤ 😂😂😂
So many red black faces about a shampoo advertisement….
How can youcome to somebody's land ,KILLED AND GRAB their land and think it's okay and they should not demand back their stolen land.
Ever heard of Christian Zionism?
Also, there's only one race of Man, ethnicity is not race. Stop conflating the two!
😂😂😂 If ever they win EFF can use whatever argument they use to ban racist Orania in the same court because that is the worst double standard 👏
Its unfortunate how you cant go to bed without thinking about Malema, he is the only person who is doing this thing😂😂😂😂😂
He occupies your head rent free and you can't evict him
😂😂😂😂
Ask the citizens who are suffering because of those people They remove the pages from the bible which says don't even pray for that type of people It is ovious that you are not among the down trotten who are who So i say to mr. Melena Cry aloud for your people Those people The people who you are dealing with can not be handle with kid with gloves Just ask the native American I can see changes already Our God will make it right Fight on our brother ftght on brother
Which God is that?
we the first nation not part of the law of the corporation. when will the truth be ever spoken in your courts.
There's no court that will stop the masses to sing historical songs or chants. You can't erase history.
Just because you can is not to say you should. And if you do; remind the people of the heritage before and/or after the song shows goodwill AND a great leader with WISDOM..........
@@weymouthesterhuizen1145 Look fact of the matter is that the song is going nowhere, the sooner you accept that, the better. Black people are forced to sing Die stem, and some white people don't want to let go of the apartheid flag.
@@kgomotsomfisa7038 So nothing to do with heritage or even doing as I suggested for heritage...got to do with spite....and then it has the word kill in....well....there you have it now.....not right my man.....sorry. I am unfortunitly white and now I as a young person...previdge you might say because of my white skin...so the idea is to sweep all under the same brush....hayboo....sorry.....no can co on that comment...so clearly that is what the song promtes for you and thenn for others aswell......no heritage...it promtes hate through spite not education in thanks to the elders who fought for libertion for all I might ad........thanks to so caled leadership....for votes....self interest....devidr and.concour is an old mentality.......and we have to look up to that now as a nation as a leader to unite a country in our diversaty......what a President.....i cannot believe you said this on social media. Wow to this lack of conscience in a new SA.....I love my freedom liberation brought me and so should ee all. Sorry my fellow man...that just did not promte love understanding nor education through the heritage of your (our) struggle....as here we are....still in this struggle...through a handfull of people influancing us towarfs hate....dividing the nation. Not right.....i cannot chage the past, but I can sure try and change the future and so should we all.
Ok then we can can chant the new viral chant. One bullet one black…
@@777slotsSA Go ahead, who's stopping you?
Sadly have to agree with malema that Mark is a average Advocate at best.
Are you familiar with Amy Biehl?
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Too much Suits?
May I ask what exactly was wrong with the argument presented here ?
Not all advocates need sideshows and fanfare to do a good job! And those who do are not necessarily good!
You cannot handle those people with kid glove just ask Native Americans It is the poor native who always suffer
Wonder where all these lawyers where during apartheid. Was it right then bcos it was blacks being killed? Regardless, I'm happy we both get to experience each other's pain. Malema shud contunue with this momentum. Viva pan Africanism.
Time of apartheid no one was saying it’s inhuman now it’s our time and yu are feeling some pain- why face it also or just go out of Africa
When did that equality start in the courts of South Africa. Is this lawyer speaking about Apartheid court rooms.😂.
I really am proud of the Commander!
The Sahel may have their Traore but we have our Julius😊.
I await your orders battalion Commander!
Hahahahahahahahahaha
Dumb and dumber
@@BoereViking This kid clearly lives inside a playstation.
🤣🤣😂🤣🤣me too
I hope he orders you to get a job
we the first nation not part of this corporation south africa. the corporation has been served again. we the first nation want the contract that you can be here. don come with constitution of the corporation south africa listed on america s.e.c.
whether you like it or not MALEMA next PRESIDENT
Lol the eff has never won a municipality, or even a province. Only a fool will think a country is achievable.
He will never be the next president, dream on😂😂😂
😂😂😂president of the ignorant
Him being next President makes you guys sleep next to the pillow Viva EFF Viva
@@thabodaniel9551 he cant win a municipality, why would anyone even worry about him winning nationally. Thr guy is small fry.