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Well the game straight up tells you who created it's last evolution. You find the device to evolve it when going to that evil tesla HQ. And the world jump stuff remember that evil elon musk wanted to jump worlds to find his perfect world
Lmao, yeah. They probably didn't because I don't even think the Porygon line was in Alola, but also because it would've been annoying to have to evolve Porygon→Porygon2→Porygon-Z both needing to be traded with specific items. It just would be too convoluted for a Pokémon that they weren't putting a spotlight on like new Alola Pokémon or mascots.
@@volcanhacks If I were to be a bit serious about it... I'd say Lysander would probably be into some wholesome vanilla considering his end goal is eternal beauty~ The rest of Team Flare on the other hand? Probably selfsest or at the very least filthy rich buff men/thicc women because their ego is bigger then every other evil teams combined~
In Pokémon Platinum in Veilstone city there is a man with a Porygon who says he found it near Team Galactic Headquarters and took it in and gives it to you. I think the dubious disc was created by Team Galactic probably with the help of that Scientist to creat Porygon-Z in order to access Dialga and Palkias dimensions
I agree with this. I don't think he was created to save Cyrus, I think Cyrus instituted the creation of Porygon Z to chase the legendaries, and the Porygon they had was stolen.
Even truer due to the fact taht well. You can get a Porygon Z BEFORE the end of the Team Galactic's arc in Platinum. So the timeline doesn't check, really.
Well Porygon and Porygon 2 just like he said in the video were designed to go into space and explore it but they didn’t meet the standards for it so when Team Galactic got their hands on it and Porygons research they thought they could create a new version which could go into different dimensions but they failed as well.
Someone on Reddit suggested it was made by Aether Foundation, considering the Polygon line _has_ signature moves about changing types, Gladion randomly has one, and dimensions is *also* Aether's specialty.
Yay! Response video! But also aren't gen 2 plot and gen 4 plot supposed to be happening near simultaneously? (Multiple dimensions and timelines blah blah. That feels like a cop out answer.)
This theory falls apart when you realise you can obtain Porygon Z before going to the distortion world, and so it was created BEFORE Cyrus was trapped there. Everything else is pretty solid, it just means that the Dubious Disc wasn't created to save Cyrus, but for another reason entirely before Team Galactic started their plans.
another issue is that, if this was the case, the Dubious Disc must have either been INCREDIBLY rushed or had been in developement before Ross joined Team Galactic (if he did at all, for all we know Team Galactic could have worked on a Dubious Disc without the involvement of a former SilphCo employe, which just makes it all the more dubious) as the Johto Games and Sinnoh games take place at the same time (see the Red Gyarados being mentioned on tv in gen4) obviously its hard to say how long it took for the events in either game to play out, but it still seems like the timeframe is incredibly narrow for this to take place So in my opinion Ross, while being a nice connecting piece, creates more issues for the theory's timeframe than he helps to explain things.
The sense behind outfitting a Pokemon to be designed for exploration of alien worlds is still sound, though. It could be that they tried to design Porygon Z to do what Porygon 2 had originally been intended to do, but without a team of programmers to check and improve the code (given that Team Galactic was a criminal organization and probably couldn't spare the resources to recruit more,) the Dubious Disc ended up with unstable code that simply couldn't be fixed quickly enough for Cyrus and his plans.
Maybe porygon Z was a back up plan in case they could get the lake trio they used porygon and upgraded it for dimensions travel as the two legendary Pokémon live in “Alien worlds”. However due to little information on how the worlds work they tried to make it be able to adapt to many environments. However that overloaded the data and made porygon Z glitch out. Due to it having to much stuff and not enough space. Also porygon Z can have the ability: (Adaptability) which I think helps my theory.
I'm definitely on board with the theory it was created to go after Dialga and Palkia in their home dimensions. They only went after the Lake Guardians to assemble the Red Chain after ruling their Porygon-Z project a failure.
Exactly, I'm more inclined to believe that it was created by the aether paradise to study ultraspace (like its pokedex entry suggested) and then its source code leaked than the saving cyrus thing
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon the pokemon company have hinted that all three will be in the anime at some point (don't remember where I heard this)
In a realistic setting, it would be shocking there aren't more Porygon evolutions, given its code-based nature. The modding community would have a field day with it, and I bet Porygon qT and Porygon uwu would have been made within a week of each other
I’m of the belief that Porygon Z and the dubious disc were actually made by the AETHER FOUNDATION in a time before they pursued Type: Null research. In the Alola games, all Porygon-related items and even Porygon itself are obtained from Aether-related people. Gladion uses a Porygon Z. It’s purpose to explore alien dimensions fits the MO of the Aether Foundation and the pursuit of Ultra Beasts. And like Type: Null, it possesses type changing abilities to adapt to foreign environments (thru the Conversion moves). My belief, is that the Aether Foundation developed the Dubious Disc after seeing Porygon’s potential under Silph Co. They hoped to upgrade it to be fit to send through Ultra Wormholes. But after their own patch was deemed too buggy, they distanced themselves from the research. But the Dubious Disc still leaked before the events of DPPt, falling into the hands of Team Galactic, who have an interested in space and time in general.
Doesnt humans lack the "mon" part tho? I mean in the pokemon world sure you could argue that the humans there are pokemon too, but I dont think that applies to the humans from the digi world tho(or from our world for that matter)
Porygon is an Appmon. Digimon come from another dimension, like Ultra Beasts. Appmon come from the human dimension, like Pokémon. Weirdly Appmon are like a month older than Ultra Beasts; these two franchises are goddamn quantum entangled. Did you know Tamagotchi, which Digimon was an offshoot off, released a month after Pokémon? - It was only after Pokémon started adding V-Pet elements in Yellow that Digimon went multimedia, and it is known from interviews Nintendo felt threatened by V-Pets in those days. Bandai Namco are the owners of Digimon, and if you know the lore of both Pokémon and Digimon, their lastest game Pokémon Snap might just get you thinking about the Royal Knights.
The animes and its movies cannot be trusted. Generations could have made an assumption after the fact. The animes pull too manu weird stunts to be an accurate representation of the games' intent
@@Zenithal1843 That's my point. It's the same version of him that vanished in Diamond and Pearl versions as opposed to the version from Platinum who was willfully stuck in the distortion world.
I'm willing to admit I may have over thought this, but hear me out: Lockstin mentions that fixing Porygon's flight should have been a primary concern for the developers of the pokemon, but instead, they focused on making round. My argument is that making the pokemon round WAS their attempt, at least the most visible and obvious aspect thereof, at making the pokemon fly better. Firstly, we must consider how flight would be achieved. In the atmosphere, this is generally achieved (at least in planes) by forcing air around a wing to create lift. For this to happen, the air mist be traveling faster on the top side of the wing, so as to create a vacuum of air to generate the lift. Planes accomplish that by having a wing that while relatively flat on the bottom, have a larger and curved surface on top. This means the air travelling over the top of the wing has a longer distance to travel, and must therefore go faster in order to meet the air travelling across the wing's bottom (if the air didn't meet together, it would create a vacuum of air behind the wing, pulling the air over the top faster, that's how this works). Thinking about a plane's wing's shape, it is easier to see why they chose the design for porygon they did. In order to force the air over Porygon's body, however, the pokemon would have to be in motion. From here, the general shape of the pokemon seems to lend itself to being thrust forward from behind by some invisible energy. That makes sense, as it forgot the need for wings in the sense the birds use them, which wouldn't work in the vacuum of space, anyways. Opting to propel the pokemon through space using thrust created via Newton's third law in space, while generating lift in Earth's atmosphere using Bernoulli's principle. This Pokemon's design is low-key genius. Porygon was created initially in an environment where a high poly count wouldn't be possible, giving it the crude appearance it has. By smoothing the edges, though, drag is reduced. Rounder and sharper objects tend to behave more aerodynamically than do flat, angular surfaces. This means that Porygon2 would fly better, and it may even execute better flight control, too. This argument would be further strengthened if Porygon2 has a higher speed stat, which I'll check after I write this. I've always loved porygon, but this really makes me appreciate the design and thought that went into this. Even if by coincidence, the end product is beautiful! EDIT: Porygon2's speed is 60, while Porygon's is 40.
One problem with the theory, you can get the dubious disc before Cyrus ever disappears. A simple retcon could be that team Galactic hired Ross to make Porygon-Z so it could explore the Distortion world. When he failed, they got rid of him which would explain why he doesn’t show up in dppt. He probably went back to Johto or something. My guess is that Charon created it to explore the distortion world. Although he’s a genius, he doesn’t have access to any of the resources at silph co so he messed up the code. It would also explain why Team Galactic is in possession of the Up-Grade because he probably studied it in order to figure out how to reverse engineer the code. Makes sense to me.
I always thought Porygon was a metaphor for video games. Starting off with low poly (Like early gen consoles) then getting nicer, smoother models and eventually gets to the point where games are just very buggy. But that was just my approach. I liked yours a lot better. XD
This is a very interesting theory. I really like it! My only idea of a possible hole is that in Pokémon Generations, Cyrus is able to call Team Galactic to tell them that he's fine, but to not come looking for him. I know this might not be canon, but it does prove that Cyrus is able to contact Team Galactic and tell them that he's fine, so they wouldn't need to create Porygon Z.
I am still of the belief that giratina was never "banished" to the distortion world... but stationed... its actions during platinum are very deliberate, dragging cyrus into the distortion world right at the brink of his success... thus saving the world in its own way... its dex entry also says that it can see into the normal world through mirrors which is almost like a security guard watching security cam footage, and, although it probably could have easily killed you, it takes a more neutral stance towards you until you approach it (if i recall correctly, it might actually attack you) essentially only battling you when you threaten it... being frank... it can (and does) free itself from the distortion world as well... it recieves no outside help to physically drag cyrus into the distortion world itself, not to mention that you encounter giratina in the normal world in pokemon diamond and pearl... perhaps looking for the escaped cyrus to bring him to a place where he cant hurt anyone anymore
Fun fact:all members of the porygon line were at one point fully evolved. The porygon line is also the only one that needs 2 trades to be fully evolved
Team Galactic being the ones who made Porygon-Z to try to rescue Cyrus sorta makes sense since it's a post-game only pokémon in the original Diamond and Pearl. So obviously the player wouldn't be able to get it before the climax of the game.
That was something I wish Lockstin had explained. In the games, when is the earliest you can access Porygon-Z/when do NPC trainers have it. If you can sight it before Cyrus' defeat, things kind of fall apart. And I think team Galactic would have a reason to try to create it even in Diamond or Pearl, meaning Porygon-Z doesn't have to be a version exclusive for the theory to work either. It's just the motivation is the most solid in Platinum
I think that it's more likely that Cyrus had them make the Dubious disk so he himself could get to the distortion world, since you find the disc before Cyrus is left there. I do love how a single random npc character has been given so much more backstory though, and it's head canon for me now!
Cool theory that I haven't heard before! The only thing I think is a bit off is that the dubious disc is in diamond and pearl without cyrus in the distortion world. So I think it's possible that Cyrus commissioned it for research maybe even as far back as HG/SS if you want to explain why the dubious disc is in johto
I love this episode and it really tied up a mystery well. It’d be even better if 1. Everyone acted like it’s a new Pokémon(having it in your party) and 2. You could find the Doubious disc in Team Galactic’s base AFTER Cyrus is sucked into the distortion world
The one big problem I see with this theory is that the dubious disc is an item that can be found in team galactic's hideout, which you visit before Cyrus is even in the distortion world, let alone "trapped" there. I guess you could say the rushed code was meant for something else and they changed it to make Porygon Z, but if you trade Porygon 2 with the dubious disc that you can obtain before Cyrus goes to the distortion world, you still get a Porygon Z. Neat theory either way though.
I'm late to this 😂 But Charon DID know what happened to Cyrus in Platinum, at least. Charon went to collect the new "Relics" for other Sinnoh Legendary Pokémon that were introduced. • In the manga and different aspects/tellings of the anime, Saturn tries to save Cyrus, but then is reassured by Cyrus that Saturn CAN Lead Galactic as a good Leader.
Thank you so much for making this video about my favourite Pokémon! Didn't know I needed this, but I did. Looking forward to the possible 'part 2' about him!
I'm not used to theory videos on other channels and paniced a little when you didnt end it of with "and that's just a theory, a game theory. Thanks for watching". Lol
Slight issue here: You find the Disc _before_ Cyrus gets smacked by Giratina. But this is a simple fix. Porygon-Z may have been designed as part of a rescue contingency, one Cyrus didn't give enough time for proper development.
I was really hoping to see someone else mention when you get the dubious disk, and the contingency plan thing is a nice idea, but I don't think they expected Giratina to show up at all. The plan was 1. Catch the lake guardians 2. Make the red chain 3. Use them to control Dialga and Palkia 4. Remake the world in his image. Giratina showed up right the heck outta nowhere, surprising everyone (since the only real buildup to it was the title screen), so I doubt they had a plan to deal with it if they appeared.
@@genuinegenie7078 Fair point. Consider this alternative: "The multiverse is vast, nigh-infinite. This modified Porygon will find a world without spirit. A logical paradise that must exist by mathematical necessity." "Uh, sorry, Commander. It mostly just twitches and fires Zap Cannons at anyone who says the word 'semicolon'." "ZEEEE!" "See what I mean?" "Hmphh. Fine. I'll do it myself."
I think the theory is pretty solid, but since you can get the Dubious Disk before the post-game, I would say that Porygon-Z was created by Cyrus to either explore the Distortion World or to access the timespace where Dialga and Palkia live
Man the porygon family was in my top 5 favorite pokemon for the longest time as a kid (like gen 1-4 honestly)... Such a cool video and weirdly nostalgic... Now I wanna use one in a playthrough
Can’t you make an video on how some Pokémon act just like their Pokédex entrees says? Like in the beginning of the game we see a Dodrio with two of its head sleeping while the third keeps watch. There’s a part where a Zangoose fights a Seviper. Or where we see 3 Mareanies chase a Corsula.
@@frozezone2947 I wasn't aware we needed a video on a fish swimming or a bird flying. In fact, wouldn't the video suggested just be playing a pokemon game?
Before anyone mentions it; this very generation explains why you can catch a god of time but not time travel; a Pokéball severely limits its power over the universe. Just like you can't tell palkia to remove the pokemon leauge from existence so you can rule the world. And yet they still have that power in their natural state, that's why Cyrus needed the red chain.
I wonder if Rotom might have anything to do with it. Maybe the dubious disc is an upgrade that rotom messed with, as it is a piece of technology, and when it got applied to porygon 2 it was all glitched. An un-rotomized dubious disc might give us a perfect Porygon.
Solid theory however, can t be true since gen 2 and gen 4 happen “at the same time” .In gen 4 if you talk to you re tv there will be news about a red gyarados at the lake of rage therefore the ross guy was still working for team rocket and wasn t able to give his knowledge to team galactic unless of course he was working for both teams at the same time
Oh! Edit and Note: Porygon Z is my favorite Pokémon and it may get a mega evolution which I am excited about, I also have a Porygon 2 plushie like you!
It might get a regional variant in the future that will evolve into Porygon3. We've seen alternate evolutions from regional variants several times in this generation.
@@JamesDavy2009 Also, there’s a slight possibility of a mega for all legends from Sinnoh, Arceus could get one but needs all 3 space makers with mega stones to get.
7:25 It's funny because in Digimon Adventure the chosen kids were all but literally stuck inside an Escher staircase and the inside of the Millennium Puzzle is _also_ an Escher staircase.
@@JamesDavy2009 Escher staircases are kind of their own thing transcendent of his Relativity you know. In fact it's not even a concept wholly original to Relativity as he based it and other works like Ascending and Descending, House of Stairs and to a lesser extent, Belvedere and Waterfall on the Penrose stairs. He just happened to popularize the concept and Relativity just happened to be the most popular of his works based on Penrose stairs, transforming Prenose stairs in to the cultural meme of Escher stairs.
To be fair, making a Pokemon like that would have been hard enough without magic. So Porygon2 failing it's intended purpose makes sense. And maybe PorygonZ is just glitchy because they tried something huge but it didn't work out as well as they'd like...
Video idea: How did Mohn(lusamine's husband) managed to escape from ultra wormhole and reach that island? Why cosmog was with him? Wasn't it supposed to be under the care of solgaleo and lunala? In anime, what the heck happened to him? Are they going to rescue him in Pokemon journeys? If so, why didn't they tried in sun and moon itself?
For the anime, its very possible they will find him. The hints come from crown tundra’s max lair lore. The max lair was infected with ultra wormhole energy which is why it’s pulling pokemon from different dimensions. The explanation to this was from the broken description of adventure 4 of crown tundra, where it mentions professor mohn. And the scientists stationed there are from burnet’s dimensional research lab. In the anime, the train the aether fam are currently taking shows a snowy landscape, presumably following magearna to galar’s crown tundra.
I'm going to address something that I'm almost certain is going to pop up in the comments: "So if Porygon consists entirely of programming code, isn't it a Digimon?" I hear this question a lot, albeit asked tongue-in-cheek, and the answer is no. What makes a Digimon a Digimon specifically is the filetype. Digimon all end in the suffix -mon because that is literally their file type. Agumon is literally Agu.mon, Renamon is Rena.mon, and so on - .mon is the file type for Digimon. Porygon is not specifically a .mon file, it's a Pokemon.
Lockstin: "am I dumb?" Me, who's gotten several IQs worth of gains in smarts thanks to his videos and entertaining way of presenting information: HOW dare you! You don't get to put yourself down good sir! You are a smart cookie!
Porygon was also available from the team rocket run game corner. What’s a better prize than a Pokémon you can make copies of? They also took over silph co. I could see the Pokémon and the discs being on the black market. Missed chance for more villains to have the line.
Well, with regional variants being a thing we might see a future variant of Porygon achieve evolution into Porygon3 through the Up-Grade item. There's some food for thought for all of you fan game designers out there.
For everyone hating goh in journeys, can I point out that it is litteral impossible for him to catch every pokemon because of ones that are banned from the anime, like barbrotch and the polygon line
@@jeremyetremblay6663 ... While it's true I don't remember that interaction (and bulbapedia says nothing about it) what I said is actually my headcanon... I just say it humorously because I know no one would take it seriously
Cyrus = Ross. CyROSS. Cyrus' Japanese name is Akagi, which is a great Mountain in the KANTO REGION OF JAPAN! Also in US/UM you fight Cyrus as part of 'Team Rainbow Rocket' a possible callback to his days as Team Rocket Scientist Ross. You could also argue their hair colours are the same also.
Uhhh. No. Cyrus is named Cyrus because of David Koresh (a famous cult leader whose name, Koresh, translates to Cyrus, as in King Cyrus of the Bible.) As far as Akagi, it’s probably a reference to the fact Cyrus is literally a volcano waiting to explode, seemingly dormant/inactive but in truth seething with rage and emotionality to a boiling point.
Scientists in Kanto really created life out of computer code and were disappointed that it couldnt go to space.
Deoxys wants to have a word with you.
@@lks19 Deoxy is already an alien from outer space
yeah I know. I was just joking about a theory I saw about the fact Porygon 2 once went into space and it deformed into Deoxys lol
@@lks19 hmmm
Literaly when someone gets disapointed for creating life instead of "Lets find some rocks" they must be many advanced
Porygon: A revolutionary piece of sentient coding
Porygon 2: C U R V E S
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What a wild reply that channels crazy
@@AxxLAfriku bruh we’re talking about porygon
when the polygon is *_C U R V E_*
@@AxxLAfriku stop
I honestly think lockstin has thought about this more than the pokemon company
there are some theories that must make them be like "see this? this is genius! note that down!" and few games later BOOM
Well the game straight up tells you who created it's last evolution. You find the device to evolve it when going to that evil tesla HQ. And the world jump stuff remember that evil elon musk wanted to jump worlds to find his perfect world
He certainly thought about Porygon-Z more than OLM did.
@@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583 1, *its, and 2, was this an attempt at a joke?
@@gregorymirabella1423easy there mein fuhrer.
It was a missed opportunity by Gamefreak to give Porygon-Z a Z-move
^^^
Lmao, yeah.
They probably didn't because I don't even think the Porygon line was in Alola, but also because it would've been annoying to have to evolve Porygon→Porygon2→Porygon-Z both needing to be traded with specific items.
It just would be too convoluted for a Pokémon that they weren't putting a spotlight on like new Alola Pokémon or mascots.
Alolan Porygon, made from materials gathered on the beach. That would’ve been cool
I would've loved the move name to be like "Dubious Distortion"
Z-Conversion kinda did this, definitely made the mon very cool that gen
The Dubious Disc is just Cyrus's hard drive of naughty "homework". No wonder PoryZ freaks out when it has to use it...
If I were to guess what Cyrus's fetish is I'd say It would be Mind Break, considering him wanting to remove emotions and all~
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions excellent theory!
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions oh lord
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions does that mean team flares is "Hole creation BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"
@@volcanhacks If I were to be a bit serious about it...
I'd say Lysander would probably be into some wholesome vanilla considering his end goal is eternal beauty~
The rest of Team Flare on the other hand? Probably selfsest or at the very least filthy rich buff men/thicc women because their ego is bigger then every other evil teams combined~
In Pokémon Platinum in Veilstone city there is a man with a Porygon who says he found it near Team Galactic Headquarters and took it in and gives it to you. I think the dubious disc was created by Team Galactic probably with the help of that Scientist to creat Porygon-Z in order to access Dialga and Palkias dimensions
I agree with this. I don't think he was created to save Cyrus, I think Cyrus instituted the creation of Porygon Z to chase the legendaries, and the Porygon they had was stolen.
Even truer due to the fact taht well. You can get a Porygon Z BEFORE the end of the Team Galactic's arc in Platinum. So the timeline doesn't check, really.
What about Porygon and Porygon2 in the Kanto and Johto regions tho? Not defying your theory, but just asking that if you have an explanation for this.
Well Porygon and Porygon 2 just like he said in the video were designed to go into space and explore it but they didn’t meet the standards for it so when Team Galactic got their hands on it and Porygons research they thought they could create a new version which could go into different dimensions but they failed as well.
@@jasonmarholz2427 mmm right
Someone on Reddit suggested it was made by Aether Foundation, considering the Polygon line _has_ signature moves about changing types, Gladion randomly has one, and dimensions is *also* Aether's specialty.
You mean Porygon line, or Silvally line?
@@unitds27-delta the Porygon line.
@@unitds27-delta Tri Attack
for some reason I didn't realize Porygon was a duck until recently
Don't worry, me neither.
I thought it was a joke that it was a duck
wait Porygon's a duck?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
so is Cresselia, what's your point? (even though it more looks like a Piñata to me)
The person who created porygon z: what if, hear me, put porygon in the shape of a z
*laughs* so az not only did the ultimate weapon but a modern pokemon's third evo? Is that what you're saying?
@@kevinmooney9361 no, why the hell would they be saying that it makes no sense
@@kevinmooney9361 The letter Z. Not Az.
My Gyarados destroyed you and the rest of Steven's team
@@kevinmooney9361 lmao yea
OK! I have thoughts!
ok
* insert Saitama "Ok" here *
Yay! Response video!
But also aren't gen 2 plot and gen 4 plot supposed to be happening near simultaneously? (Multiple dimensions and timelines blah blah. That feels like a cop out answer.)
oh no not another copy theory on your channel as i subscribe both!
Lol
This theory falls apart when you realise you can obtain Porygon Z before going to the distortion world, and so it was created BEFORE Cyrus was trapped there. Everything else is pretty solid, it just means that the Dubious Disc wasn't created to save Cyrus, but for another reason entirely before Team Galactic started their plans.
Maybe they weren’t sure if their perfect world would be easy to traverse at first so that’s why they needed it
another issue is that, if this was the case, the Dubious Disc must have either been INCREDIBLY rushed
or had been in developement before Ross joined Team Galactic (if he did at all, for all we know Team Galactic could have worked on a Dubious Disc without the involvement of a former SilphCo employe, which just makes it all the more dubious)
as the Johto Games and Sinnoh games take place at the same time (see the Red Gyarados being mentioned on tv in gen4)
obviously its hard to say how long it took for the events in either game to play out, but it still seems like the timeframe is incredibly narrow for this to take place
So in my opinion Ross, while being a nice connecting piece, creates more issues for the theory's timeframe than he helps to explain things.
@@arminreindl7742 Team Galactic could've hacked into Silph Co.
The sense behind outfitting a Pokemon to be designed for exploration of alien worlds is still sound, though. It could be that they tried to design Porygon Z to do what Porygon 2 had originally been intended to do, but without a team of programmers to check and improve the code (given that Team Galactic was a criminal organization and probably couldn't spare the resources to recruit more,) the Dubious Disc ended up with unstable code that simply couldn't be fixed quickly enough for Cyrus and his plans.
Maybe porygon Z was a back up plan in case they could get the lake trio they used porygon and upgraded it for dimensions travel as the two legendary Pokémon live in “Alien worlds”. However due to little information on how the worlds work they tried to make it be able to adapt to many environments. However that overloaded the data and made porygon Z glitch out. Due to it having to much stuff and not enough space. Also porygon Z can have the ability: (Adaptability) which I think helps my theory.
Porygon-Z implies the existence of Porygon-A through Porygon-Y.
_Thanks for coming to my TED Talk_
Out.
Porymon the series XY and Z, introducing mega buged evolutions
Or maybe they started from the Z to the A, so it would be the fist of the alphabet?
I want porygons a-y
Does that make the original Porygon Porygon1? Or Porygon0? Are there other numbers?
Giratina: THE ETERNAL DRAGON
Meanwhile Rayquaza just sitting off on the side giving Giratina an angry glare.
we all know Rayquaza is the og dragon type legendary Pokémon lol
@@lks19 technically latias is the og legendary dragon type
(screams in Primal Arceus from Pokémon Insurgence)
You can find the Dubious Disc in the Galactic Veilstone Hideout *before* Cyrus leaves for the distortion world, so it was not created to rescue him.
I'm definitely on board with the theory it was created to go after Dialga and Palkia in their home dimensions. They only went after the Lake Guardians to assemble the Red Chain after ruling their Porygon-Z project a failure.
Exactly, I'm more inclined to believe that it was created by the aether paradise to study ultraspace (like its pokedex entry suggested) and then its source code leaked than the saving cyrus thing
@@mds_516 I agree, their security can't be too tight if project files of Type: Null were leaked and _Faba leaves his computer logged in._
Speaking of Porygon
When is Lockstin gonna explain that weird form he keeps teasing in his Kaskade videos?
Hope it's the next video
Yeah me tooo
The giant enemy thunder bird!
"The recently revealed Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl"
You can tell when this was made
but BD and SP are in a far past
Well, 2 months ago is pretty recent.
Sometime in the past 2 months?
2 months isn't too long ago
@@arthurpc7492 that’s Legends: Arceus, BD and SP are the remakes
When the Disc is Dubious 😳
Haha amogus suss haha funny
lol
AMOGUS
dubious
porygon more like impostor-ygon
We stan Lockstin's Health Tips.
They gotta bring Porygon back into the anime at some point, cause Goh wants to catch every Pokémon
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon still, they gotta bring Porygon back at SOME point
Off screen capture
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon the pokemon company have hinted that all three will be in the anime at some point (don't remember where I heard this)
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon and hence they introduced Mimikyu. That badass ghost fairy Pokémon that hates Pikachu.
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon While I don't disagree, this is pretty off topic man.
In a realistic setting, it would be shocking there aren't more Porygon evolutions, given its code-based nature.
The modding community would have a field day with it, and I bet Porygon qT and Porygon uwu would have been made within a week of each other
I’m of the belief that Porygon Z and the dubious disc were actually made by the AETHER FOUNDATION in a time before they pursued Type: Null research.
In the Alola games, all Porygon-related items and even Porygon itself are obtained from Aether-related people. Gladion uses a Porygon Z. It’s purpose to explore alien dimensions fits the MO of the Aether Foundation and the pursuit of Ultra Beasts. And like Type: Null, it possesses type changing abilities to adapt to foreign environments (thru the Conversion moves).
My belief, is that the Aether Foundation developed the Dubious Disc after seeing Porygon’s potential under Silph Co. They hoped to upgrade it to be fit to send through Ultra Wormholes. But after their own patch was deemed too buggy, they distanced themselves from the research. But the Dubious Disc still leaked before the events of DPPt, falling into the hands of Team Galactic, who have an interested in space and time in general.
That's a very solid belief and I'll incorporate it into my head canon.
Thx for making this video because Porygon-Z is my all time favourite Pokémon (in my opinion it's so cool and i like it's design).
Odd and cool choice, I like you
Well no wonder from your pfp...same dude! Always admiring hyper beam animation and porygon-Z is the best user of it
You don't have to say "in my opinion" Hun. That should be implied. If people can't see that then they have issues.
@@korimcentire2281 thx
Pokémon means Pocket Monster
Porygon is made entirely of data
Porygon is, by definition, a Digimon
Pokémon x Digimon crossover confirmed
But yet can be stored in a techno apricorn...
If you think about it all pokemon can be converted into data and be stored in computers, meaning they're all Digimon
@@ale-xsantos1078 By that logic humans are also Digimon, since humans can be converted into the digital world as well.....
Doesnt humans lack the "mon" part tho?
I mean in the pokemon world sure you could argue that the humans there are pokemon too, but I dont think that applies to the humans from the digi world tho(or from our world for that matter)
Porygon is an Appmon.
Digimon come from another dimension, like Ultra Beasts.
Appmon come from the human dimension, like Pokémon.
Weirdly Appmon are like a month older than Ultra Beasts; these two franchises are goddamn quantum entangled.
Did you know Tamagotchi, which Digimon was an offshoot off, released a month after Pokémon? - It was only after Pokémon started adding V-Pet elements in Yellow that Digimon went multimedia, and it is known from interviews Nintendo felt threatened by V-Pets in those days.
Bandai Namco are the owners of Digimon, and if you know the lore of both Pokémon and Digimon, their lastest game Pokémon Snap might just get you thinking about the Royal Knights.
You forget Pokémon Generations...
Cyrus specifically tells Saturn: “Don’t look for me”
He doesn’t want to be found.
That's Pokémon Generations only. Not only does Cynthia not go into the Distortion World, but neither Diamond or Platinum are there.
But in the game universe doesf Team Galsctic *know* that?
that doesn’t mean saturn told the grunts/scientists
The animes and its movies cannot be trusted. Generations could have made an assumption after the fact. The animes pull too manu weird stunts to be an accurate representation of the games' intent
@@tacostastegood3720 more accurately generations is it's own continuity entirely, though heavily inspired by the games
5:32 "Never seen or heard from again"
Until he showed up alongside Palkia in Masters anyway.
The Cyrus from Masters specifically doesn’t know what the Distortion World is.
@@Zenithal1843 That's my point. It's the same version of him that vanished in Diamond and Pearl versions as opposed to the version from Platinum who was willfully stuck in the distortion world.
The unknown producer is Todd Howard.
>Made in a rush.
>Raised the stakes too high.
>Bugs.
>A.I. has weird behavior.
I smell a Missingno video in the future!
Also, do you think you can do a video on what real-life locations the spin-off regions are based off of?
Yes please.
I'm willing to admit I may have over thought this, but hear me out:
Lockstin mentions that fixing Porygon's flight should have been a primary concern for the developers of the pokemon, but instead, they focused on making round. My argument is that making the pokemon round WAS their attempt, at least the most visible and obvious aspect thereof, at making the pokemon fly better.
Firstly, we must consider how flight would be achieved. In the atmosphere, this is generally achieved (at least in planes) by forcing air around a wing to create lift. For this to happen, the air mist be traveling faster on the top side of the wing, so as to create a vacuum of air to generate the lift.
Planes accomplish that by having a wing that while relatively flat on the bottom, have a larger and curved surface on top. This means the air travelling over the top of the wing has a longer distance to travel, and must therefore go faster in order to meet the air travelling across the wing's bottom (if the air didn't meet together, it would create a vacuum of air behind the wing, pulling the air over the top faster, that's how this works).
Thinking about a plane's wing's shape, it is easier to see why they chose the design for porygon they did. In order to force the air over Porygon's body, however, the pokemon would have to be in motion. From here, the general shape of the pokemon seems to lend itself to being thrust forward from behind by some invisible energy. That makes sense, as it forgot the need for wings in the sense the birds use them, which wouldn't work in the vacuum of space, anyways. Opting to propel the pokemon through space using thrust created via Newton's third law in space, while generating lift in Earth's atmosphere using Bernoulli's principle. This Pokemon's design is low-key genius.
Porygon was created initially in an environment where a high poly count wouldn't be possible, giving it the crude appearance it has. By smoothing the edges, though, drag is reduced. Rounder and sharper objects tend to behave more aerodynamically than do flat, angular surfaces. This means that Porygon2 would fly better, and it may even execute better flight control, too. This argument would be further strengthened if Porygon2 has a higher speed stat, which I'll check after I write this.
I've always loved porygon, but this really makes me appreciate the design and thought that went into this. Even if by coincidence, the end product is beautiful!
EDIT: Porygon2's speed is 60, while Porygon's is 40.
One problem with the theory, you can get the dubious disc before Cyrus ever disappears. A simple retcon could be that team Galactic hired Ross to make Porygon-Z so it could explore the Distortion world. When he failed, they got rid of him which would explain why he doesn’t show up in dppt. He probably went back to Johto or something. My guess is that Charon created it to explore the distortion world. Although he’s a genius, he doesn’t have access to any of the resources at silph co so he messed up the code. It would also explain why Team Galactic is in possession of the Up-Grade because he probably studied it in order to figure out how to reverse engineer the code. Makes sense to me.
Lockstin : Here I am!
Editor : *rock you like a hurricane*
I noticed that too
4:45 The first mention of Alternate Dimensions comes when cyrus is summoning Dialga/Palkia. He says he summons them from another plane.
Porygon-Z is one of my favorite Pokemon! Thanks for giving it the love it deserves, Lockstin!
Donkey in the Distortion World: "Shrek, I'm Looking Up!"
14:24 You seriously don't realise? HE IS HAVING AN EPILEPTIC SEISURE!
I always thought Porygon was a metaphor for video games. Starting off with low poly (Like early gen consoles) then getting nicer, smoother models and eventually gets to the point where games are just very buggy. But that was just my approach. I liked yours a lot better. XD
Porygon-Z is my favorite all time Pokémon, I was so happy to see this video!! 😭
Same!!
Pory fans unite!
....on GitHub. Human contact is scary.
Same!
This is a very interesting theory. I really like it! My only idea of a possible hole is that in Pokémon Generations, Cyrus is able to call Team Galactic to tell them that he's fine, but to not come looking for him. I know this might not be canon, but it does prove that Cyrus is able to contact Team Galactic and tell them that he's fine, so they wouldn't need to create Porygon Z.
I am still of the belief that giratina was never "banished" to the distortion world... but stationed... its actions during platinum are very deliberate, dragging cyrus into the distortion world right at the brink of his success... thus saving the world in its own way... its dex entry also says that it can see into the normal world through mirrors which is almost like a security guard watching security cam footage, and, although it probably could have easily killed you, it takes a more neutral stance towards you until you approach it (if i recall correctly, it might actually attack you) essentially only battling you when you threaten it... being frank... it can (and does) free itself from the distortion world as well... it recieves no outside help to physically drag cyrus into the distortion world itself, not to mention that you encounter giratina in the normal world in pokemon diamond and pearl... perhaps looking for the escaped cyrus to bring him to a place where he cant hurt anyone anymore
Sorry, my bad! I clicked on a free give away link while working on Porygon-3
Fun fact:all members of the porygon line were at one point fully evolved. The porygon line is also the only one that needs 2 trades to be fully evolved
6:50 Bob from SMG4 what are you doing here?
Laugh track plays
I want to know too.
I'm a simple woman, I see my favourite villain and one of my favourite Pokémon, I click.
Porygon Z is the Favorite of my friend.
Thus my I see I click.
Anything gen 4 related probably gets a click from me.
Villain being cyrus?
Cause I'm on the same boat, give the man his well deserved break if he's already having a mid-life crisis in his 20s
He comes up with ideas and theories that the Pokémon company didn’t even think about
Team Galactic being the ones who made Porygon-Z to try to rescue Cyrus sorta makes sense since it's a post-game only pokémon in the original Diamond and Pearl. So obviously the player wouldn't be able to get it before the climax of the game.
That was something I wish Lockstin had explained. In the games, when is the earliest you can access Porygon-Z/when do NPC trainers have it. If you can sight it before Cyrus' defeat, things kind of fall apart. And I think team Galactic would have a reason to try to create it even in Diamond or Pearl, meaning Porygon-Z doesn't have to be a version exclusive for the theory to work either. It's just the motivation is the most solid in Platinum
@@AbsolXGuardian Victory Road & the Survival Area. Each has a person with a Porygon-Z.
@@eldonm2770 Well if we say that the dubious disk was leaked, then the timeline still works.
@@AbsolXGuardian wait when can you first access the survival area?
@@eldonm2770 I think it's battle frontier related
I think that it's more likely that Cyrus had them make the Dubious disk so he himself could get to the distortion world, since you find the disc before Cyrus is left there. I do love how a single random npc character has been given so much more backstory though, and it's head canon for me now!
How can someone sound so sane but also talk like a crazy scientist
Being lockstin
Cool theory that I haven't heard before! The only thing I think is a bit off is that the dubious disc is in diamond and pearl without cyrus in the distortion world. So I think it's possible that Cyrus commissioned it for research maybe even as far back as HG/SS if you want to explain why the dubious disc is in johto
11:13 The localizers who went with describing the object instead of what's on it: yes
I love this episode and it really tied up a mystery well. It’d be even better if 1. Everyone acted like it’s a new Pokémon(having it in your party) and 2. You could find the Doubious disc in Team Galactic’s base AFTER Cyrus is sucked into the distortion world
Pokémon Company: Announces Gen 4 remakes
Lockstin: *I can milk you*
With enough prolactin you can milk anyone
The one big problem I see with this theory is that the dubious disc is an item that can be found in team galactic's hideout, which you visit before Cyrus is even in the distortion world, let alone "trapped" there. I guess you could say the rushed code was meant for something else and they changed it to make Porygon Z, but if you trade Porygon 2 with the dubious disc that you can obtain before Cyrus goes to the distortion world, you still get a Porygon Z. Neat theory either way though.
10:32
This adds a new meaning to "Team Rocket, blasting off again!"
The IRONY of Porygon-Z having a seizure every time he attacks
Commander Cyrus is like... in his mid 20's. Talk about ambition 👀
Oh man I MISSED theories like these! I never even thought of these plot links! Love it!!
“One day you will wake up in a world created by me”
Does that mean.. legends arceus?
Nah, that’s in the past.
Unless...?
it's in the past but it *could* be an alternate timeline that cyrus created or smth, so maybe :0
I mean the Mega Timeline and the Original Timeline are seperate
I'm late to this 😂
But Charon DID know what happened to Cyrus in Platinum, at least.
Charon went to collect the new "Relics" for other Sinnoh Legendary Pokémon that were introduced.
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In the manga and different aspects/tellings of the anime, Saturn tries to save Cyrus, but then is reassured by Cyrus that Saturn CAN Lead Galactic as a good Leader.
Haven't finished yet, but he's gonna mention that the Dubious DIsc was found in the Galactic HQ building in Platinum, right?
Thank you so much for making this video about my favourite Pokémon! Didn't know I needed this, but I did. Looking forward to the possible 'part 2' about him!
I'm not used to theory videos on other channels and paniced a little when you didnt end it of with "and that's just a theory, a game theory. Thanks for watching". Lol
lol
Slight issue here: You find the Disc _before_ Cyrus gets smacked by Giratina. But this is a simple fix. Porygon-Z may have been designed as part of a rescue contingency, one Cyrus didn't give enough time for proper development.
I was really hoping to see someone else mention when you get the dubious disk, and the contingency plan thing is a nice idea, but I don't think they expected Giratina to show up at all. The plan was 1. Catch the lake guardians 2. Make the red chain 3. Use them to control Dialga and Palkia 4. Remake the world in his image. Giratina showed up right the heck outta nowhere, surprising everyone (since the only real buildup to it was the title screen), so I doubt they had a plan to deal with it if they appeared.
@@genuinegenie7078 Fair point. Consider this alternative:
"The multiverse is vast, nigh-infinite. This modified Porygon will find a world without spirit. A logical paradise that must exist by mathematical necessity."
"Uh, sorry, Commander. It mostly just twitches and fires Zap Cannons at anyone who says the word 'semicolon'."
"ZEEEE!"
"See what I mean?"
"Hmphh. Fine. I'll do it myself."
@@FanOfMostEverything Oooh, I like the idea that Cyrus explored his options before going the destroy reality route.
My personally theory is that Giratina ate Cyrus, or at least threw him into the endless void of the Distortion Realm
I think the theory is pretty solid, but since you can get the Dubious Disk before the post-game, I would say that Porygon-Z was created by Cyrus to either explore the Distortion World or to access the timespace where Dialga and Palkia live
first, he discusses orbeetle, then melmetal, and how porygon Z! my 3 favorite pokemon
Man the porygon family was in my top 5 favorite pokemon for the longest time as a kid (like gen 1-4 honestly)... Such a cool video and weirdly nostalgic... Now I wanna use one in a playthrough
I feel like I'm the only person that has ever said porygon-z is my favorite pokemon and I don't regret a single thing
I see I’m not alone
I'd say it's one of my favorites in Sinnoh. But it's also one of my favorite shiny pokemon ever
Cool
I love porygon it hink people don't hink about it because it's a trade Evo and it's from a pretty forgettable pokemon
SAME
I love how the last part, about Porygon-Z had something that look like Missing No.
"💻🐦", I see what you did Lockstin.
Pokémon Masters And Ultra Sun and Moon.
You forgot those.
And that none of the Porygon line has the speed stat or powers to reach escape velocity.
Can’t you make an video on how some Pokémon act just like their Pokédex entrees says?
Like in the beginning of the game we see a Dodrio with two of its head sleeping while the third keeps watch.
There’s a part where a Zangoose fights a Seviper.
Or where we see 3 Mareanies chase a Corsula.
Why would he make a video on that?
@@asherdevin Because of pokemon snap
@@frozezone2947 I wasn't aware we needed a video on a fish swimming or a bird flying. In fact, wouldn't the video suggested just be playing a pokemon game?
You think about it...
Porygon2 is a system Up-grade of Porygon.
Porygon-Z is a Mod to Porygon2
Hey Locks, do you plan on making shinies for your Lokemon? Even if it’s just the starters, that would really cool.
Before anyone mentions it; this very generation explains why you can catch a god of time but not time travel; a Pokéball severely limits its power over the universe. Just like you can't tell palkia to remove the pokemon leauge from existence so you can rule the world.
And yet they still have that power in their natural state, that's why Cyrus needed the red chain.
Haha, Love the Team Four Star reference 😂❤️
I wonder if Rotom might have anything to do with it. Maybe the dubious disc is an upgrade that rotom messed with, as it is a piece of technology, and when it got applied to porygon 2 it was all glitched. An un-rotomized dubious disc might give us a perfect Porygon.
You'd assume the people who created Porygon and Porygon 2 would've made Porygon Z.
6:47 I like how bob from smg4 randomly appears in the corner just to say "Cyrus" and then dips
Porygon-Z was made to make Hyper Beam viable (with Adaptability).
Hyper Beam being Ultralaser in French. Like Ultra Space!
Coincidence?
I mean, yeah, probably, but still...
The only 3-stage evolution family where all members can learn hyper-beam (at level 1 even)
@@dallinmoody1297 Well, Hyper Beam was reserved for final evolutions or Pokémon who couldn't evolve at the time. Porygon was in the latter category.
@@JamesDavy2009 i'm aware
Also the porygon line is the only pokemon that can evolve twice without a level up trigger
Solid theory however, can t be true since gen 2 and gen 4 happen “at the same time” .In gen 4 if you talk to you re tv there will be news about a red gyarados at the lake of rage therefore the ross guy was still working for team rocket and wasn t able to give his knowledge to team galactic unless of course he was working for both teams at the same time
Oh!
Edit and Note: Porygon Z is my favorite Pokémon and it may get a mega evolution which I am excited about, I also have a Porygon 2 plushie like you!
I dont think it’s getting a mega.... and its my favourite too
@@robbieclayton4672 Good to hear.
It might get a regional variant in the future that will evolve into Porygon3. We've seen alternate evolutions from regional variants several times in this generation.
@@JamesDavy2009 Also, there’s a slight possibility of a mega for all legends from Sinnoh, Arceus could get one but needs all 3 space makers with mega stones to get.
Brilliant! Suddenly the strange golden eye that Porygon-Z gets makes a bit more sense; it is meant to be reminiscent of Team Galactic's symbol!
Porygon should be talk about more he's pretty much a mystery.
7:25 It's funny because in Digimon Adventure the chosen kids were all but literally stuck inside an Escher staircase and the inside of the Millennium Puzzle is _also_ an Escher staircase.
There's also the Maze Card from _Cardcaptor Sakura_ and a certain scene from _Labyrinth._ The Escher work you refer to is called _Relativity._
@@JamesDavy2009 Escher staircases are kind of their own thing transcendent of his Relativity you know. In fact it's not even a concept wholly original to Relativity as he based it and other works like Ascending and Descending, House of Stairs and to a lesser extent, Belvedere and Waterfall on the Penrose stairs. He just happened to popularize the concept and Relativity just happened to be the most popular of his works based on Penrose stairs, transforming Prenose stairs in to the cultural meme of Escher stairs.
To be fair, making a Pokemon like that would have been hard enough without magic. So Porygon2 failing it's intended purpose makes sense.
And maybe PorygonZ is just glitchy because they tried something huge but it didn't work out as well as they'd like...
Video idea: How did Mohn(lusamine's husband) managed to escape from ultra wormhole and reach that island? Why cosmog was with him? Wasn't it supposed to be under the care of solgaleo and lunala? In anime, what the heck happened to him? Are they going to rescue him in Pokemon journeys? If so, why didn't they tried in sun and moon itself?
For the anime, its very possible they will find him.
The hints come from crown tundra’s max lair lore. The max lair was infected with ultra wormhole energy which is why it’s pulling pokemon from different dimensions.
The explanation to this was from the broken description of adventure 4 of crown tundra, where it mentions professor mohn. And the scientists stationed there are from burnet’s dimensional research lab.
In the anime, the train the aether fam are currently taking shows a snowy landscape, presumably following magearna to galar’s crown tundra.
I'm a simple man
I see porygon, I click
#Porygang
me to
#Porygang... I WANT IN
I'm going to address something that I'm almost certain is going to pop up in the comments:
"So if Porygon consists entirely of programming code, isn't it a Digimon?"
I hear this question a lot, albeit asked tongue-in-cheek, and the answer is no. What makes a Digimon a Digimon specifically is the filetype. Digimon all end in the suffix -mon because that is literally their file type. Agumon is literally Agu.mon, Renamon is Rena.mon, and so on - .mon is the file type for Digimon. Porygon is not specifically a .mon file, it's a Pokemon.
I- wha- that makes so much sense it almost can't be true. Still gonna headcanon it tho.
Lockstin: "am I dumb?"
Me, who's gotten several IQs worth of gains in smarts thanks to his videos and entertaining way of presenting information: HOW dare you! You don't get to put yourself down good sir! You are a smart cookie!
Porygon was also available from the team rocket run game corner. What’s a better prize than a Pokémon you can make copies of?
They also took over silph co. I could see the Pokémon and the discs being on the black market. Missed chance for more villains to have the line.
0:12
Ah, I see what you did there
I probably haven't played a Pokémon game in almost 20 years, but I find these videos endlessly fascinating.
I'm not exaggerating, btw
I would kind of like to see a uncorrupted porygon evolution.
I’ve seen some fanart that are pretty neat.
🎩
🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Well, with regional variants being a thing we might see a future variant of Porygon achieve evolution into Porygon3 through the Up-Grade item. There's some food for thought for all of you fan game designers out there.
Missed opportunity for a “perfected” future paradox form of Z in Gen 9
Lockstin: Asking himself if he's dumb
Me: "Funny words Magic-Man"
For everyone hating goh in journeys, can I point out that it is litteral impossible for him to catch every pokemon because of ones that are banned from the anime, like barbrotch and the polygon line
I know Porygon and evos are banned but Barboach? Never knew it was banned.
@@silentsamuel_ look it up
Wow, is it late for me. I’ll have to come back tomorrow to watch this, unfortunately. See you then!
Edit: I watched it. Great video as always!
6:49 Wait... was that... was that an SMG4 reference?
Edit: 9:11 AND a TFS reference!?! Truly, you are a man of culture as well!
But then cyrus gets out of the distortion world when you finish the pokedex in platinum
Then he grows dorito hair and becomes lysandre obviously
@@dallinmoody1297 you sounds like you don’t believe me
@@jeremyetremblay6663 ... While it's true I don't remember that interaction (and bulbapedia says nothing about it) what I said is actually my headcanon... I just say it humorously because I know no one would take it seriously
6:46 there's Bob from SMG4
Edit: I am aware that's a Garo from The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Cyrus = Ross. CyROSS. Cyrus' Japanese name is Akagi, which is a great Mountain in the KANTO REGION OF JAPAN! Also in US/UM you fight Cyrus as part of 'Team Rainbow Rocket' a possible callback to his days as Team Rocket Scientist Ross. You could also argue their hair colours are the same also.
Uhhh. No.
Cyrus is named Cyrus because of David Koresh (a famous cult leader whose name, Koresh, translates to Cyrus, as in King Cyrus of the Bible.)
As far as Akagi, it’s probably a reference to the fact Cyrus is literally a volcano waiting to explode, seemingly dormant/inactive but in truth seething with rage and emotionality to a boiling point.