Manufacturer says rubber side up to prevent slipping of sleeping bag, but many use it rubber side down to help with fabric from curling and gathering up. Rubber side down, it tends to all lay flat. Use it any way you like, it works either way and is super tough.
@@Broxine it is! Using it like he did would be stupid cuz the waterproof side would be on top meaning that moisture could get in to the evalozote material and reduce the insulation.
I was hoping someone would do a review of this product. Should have known you were on it! One note: I think the rubberized side is actually intended to be the top of the mat which is designed to keep a slippery sleeping bag from sliding off the mat while sleeping. It'd also make sense that the top side would be interior-facing when rolled so that your actual sleeping surface wouldn't be exposed to the elements. Thanks for doing these reviews, Luke. Definitely one of my favorite channels and I'm always excited when you put out a new military surplus gear review. Speaking of... did you ever end up doing the giveaway for that Dutch army pack? ;) Keep up the good work, bud!
Savotta is a great quality with decent price. Finnish armed forces are one of the biggest users of their products, and that tells you something about the quality and usability.
This not a product for growing man playing to be soldiers. This is the pad that the real man in Finnish military are actually using. And I mean in extreme conditions. That’s the point within this. It’s not meant for easy walking in the woods during spring, summer, or fall conditions. It’s meant to be used on those fu@$& cold conditions in Finnish winter when little green men are shooting you from the east. I’ve been using this in all possible situations with or without tent, rain, mud, summer, and winter. It’s just great. Keeps you dry and works without any hassle.
Sure, it’s bulky and heavy. I have another pad that I’m using during summer or everything above 32 Fahrenheit conditions. After that, this’s is the only choice.
@@ChrisRedfield-- that is what we hope. But knowing our neighbour its not a bad idea to be properly prepared. Youkno what happened inGeorgia and Ukraine. Better be ready than dead.
@@esavirtanen6418 I never had a problem with it. I only remember it feelin cold when we prepared emergency shelters and didnt have a sleeping bag. It feels very warm during winter months even when spending hours on bare snow, without a tent during, during a stakeout, etc. If you do get cold, I suggest just putting on more clothes in the sleeping bag or putting pine branches under the mat. It will for sure keep you warm as well as one can expect. However, even the finnish army wouldn't go into the -35C forest without a stove with them. I often remember hugging the mat during stakeouts, because it was just a better insulator than the air around me, trapping heat under me.
Love how you said "Great sense of humor in the beginning" If you go to their website, they put the price of toilet paper in exchange for products. I nearly died laughing from it.
A group benefit of the wings is that they combine to form a bigger waterproof layer when you overlap the wings of adjacent pads. Great is you have a wet/dirty ground sheet or no ground sheet at all in a larger shelter.
I have used one for a while they're robust and very versatile. OK for most times of the year, in winter if you need more R value to keep warm add an inflatable pad on top or a good quality wool blanket you'll be fine in v cold conditions. One of the best pads to add to the outside of your bergen as unlike some foam pads it won't shred going through rough foliage/terrain and it's not a silly bright bling colour with logos
You can also purchase this through Canadian Outdoor Equipment based just outside of Toronto , excellent customer service , great products including this mat and the poncho tarp by Savotta which i own , and both are as advertised , excellent quality , simplistic , durable and reliable , prerequisites when going into the wild for short or long term periods of time
Yep. Slept on this when I served in the finnish Marines. Good mat that will work in -35c to + 40c (personally tested) and is indestructible. The comfort could be better tho, so not what I would buy for civilian use.
I used the same pad in the army, it is comfortable and easy to use in any time of year. Funny thing that it was about -35 Celsius winter time, this pad was great even though I forgot to use wings at all :D However, if there is any moisture on the surface, this pad will freeze very thick in those temperatures.
love the design of all the finnish sleep mats, I wish I could afford one, but I make do with a home made version for now, a ground sheet gaffer taped to a roll mat :)
That makes more sense otherwise it's a stupid design as every time you roll the pad, the sleeping side is exposed to the elements -rain, snow, dirt, mud, etc. and therefore you'd be sleeping on all that garbage.
God bless you man. Love that you keep putting out vids. Me and my boy love your vids. Love when you say "a lot of intelligent thought went into the making of this product" I'm a mechanical designer and I love to hear that grouping of words...So much stuff these days makes me scratch my head when it comes to quality and thought of design. Great vids man...love you and your family. Would that pack be more comfy with a cross belly strap?
Thanks again Luke. My fellow countrymen have already brought up some points so I am not able to say more. I have used other Savotta products for many years, like tarps and backpacks. They really are excellent. The most I like is the tarp which is huge but weighs almost nothing and has a bug net too.
We use these in the Finnish defence forces and honestly if you’re laying on flat grass... sure its comfortable, but i can still feel the rocks and tree roots on my back. In terms of water... none gets through so thats good i guess
Savotta's own answer how to use this mat. I have own this mat for like 4 years now and I have always used the rubber side up, but now lately I have start using the mat as Luke did. Just because it do not curl up. I guess it is function as long it is not getting dirty in some way or wet from when carrying it during rain. Short answer from Savotta. There is no wrong way what ever you choose to use this mat. th-cam.com/video/16t1ANEIW4Q/w-d-xo.html
The top is actually the bottom in the army, puns not intended. The rubber is sopposed to be on the top so you wouln'd slide towads the wood stove in your sleeping pad. Obviously you want your feet towards the stove, and for more egual heat distribution and confortyou want your head end to be on higher grouond. That makes it so that the ground, snow or spruce padding under you is in the way, you are likely to slide towars the stove.
I don't know how much technology has changed but years ago we used to get a rubber mat in the US Army that resembled a black yoga mat just something to keep you off the ground and to keep the cold from coming up into your cold weather sleeping bag
Thanks, Luke! Only question I have is, because we are coming up to the Fall and Winter seasons here in the US, do you know what the R rating is on the pad? Thank you!
This is exactly the same product that the Finnish Defence Forces use, so it'll handle even the harshest winter easily. During my service we had nights when the temperature would drop down to -29℃/-20℉ and I was fine. This is an excellent product if you don't mind the size.
When I was in the military we didn't have sleeping pads. In fact we had nothing. We just yelled BANG BANG and threw with pine cones..............if we had any pine cones.
What R Value? Must be good. This canceles the need for a ground cloth. That saved a lb. Still if I'm traveling EDC if take the acterics because it doubles as a shelter.
Nice, it might not slide but the sleeping bag on top with you in will be sliding around like an eel out off water. A little anti slip matting will help but at nearly a kg for a sleep mat wow.
We didnt have the rubber underneath while I was serving last year. Some might have those versions tho. I can safely say you are not slipping anywhere in your sleeping bag though.
I could be wrong but when you flipped it over to show the rubberized bottom I think I may have seen the inflation/deflation vent, would it not make sense for that to be on the top to avoid possibly sucking in some water off whatever surface you may be on and the rubberization might just keep your sleep system on the cushy part a bit.
Hmm i guess i'm a bit weird i don't mind if things weigh alot just as long as they are not bulky and i can fit everything inside the pack neatly this is great but i wouldn't carry it.
Does anyone know if it can be used as a stand alone unit below freeze point, with out additional ground insulation (air pads). Any info appreciated....Cheers
@@osku3818 You'll be cold in a warm sleeping bag if the ground is sucking your body heat (conduction !!!) Try it lol. Thanx for the info R2 bit too low for what I want, Thermarest close cell foam is about R2 and just 410 grams. Once again much appreciated couldn't find the answer on line...
@@bexbugoutsurvivor Hello Bex, I have used this mat down to -7c and been fine. The wings work really well to keep water off sleeping bag/bivvy. I remember one time I slept on water logged woodland ground and not a drop got on my bivvy. The ground was so water logged wherever I would stand the ground formed a puddle. This was all in the uk where the cold feels worse from the damp conditions and wind we get here. Big fan of your videos btw and thanks for your quality content :)
Great video review, Luke ! What was the pack, though ? I have the Eberlestock Battleship, for a main pack and would like to find a pack that would be used for 1-3 day hikes from base camps
But Luke you put this out on a tuesday. time is going out the window, physics what happened ? lol all jokes aside. Luke you said it will not absorb moisture at all but i did notice the small breather hole on the bottom, is that going to be an issue with potentially sucking in water, ( assuming you are sleeping on the ground ground and not in a tent or bivy of sorts) ? In my opinion i think that breather hold should be on the top of the sleeping mat. Dont blast me Keyboard warriors, this is just an observation on my part.
It's 100% Gorilla proof the way this old timer like it. Good video. I own one a R-2 is better than R-0 After a catastrophic air mattress failure just add a air for cold trips and stop counting grams it your life so what is that worth ?. Correct gear for the task at hand.
Two pounds eleven ounces and it's half an inch thick. A Thermarest SoLite weighs less, is wider, and costs less. I can bring a section of plastic sheeting to park it on. The military gear is interesting but I don't think it's the best place to look for examples of quality, light weight, backpacker gear.
R value for 1,2kg pad?I think it's less than 3. R value of Thermarest Ridgerest foam mat (400grams)is R 2.6 with Rab ground sheet(250grams)and its 600 grams lighter.
R value is 2. I find the savotta mat to be thicker and more comfortable. It just doesn't give me those cold spots when you put too much weight on one spot.
Ich denke wie von Luke erklärt, dass das Schlafequipment trocken bleibt, auch wenn man von der Matte etwas runter rutscht beim Schlafen. Zudem ist es vielleicht ganz hilfreich sich Abends trocken die Schuhe auszuziehen. Ich werde die Matte ggf. auch mal testen. Grüße, Azze
Well idk what the real purpose is, but for us who served in the finnish military, you could easily cover the whole tents floor with the mats when you spread the wings. Yes we did have like a rubberized mat for the whole tent but the mats gave you a second layer.
You should check Finnish army old "Tena" - 40 degrers sleeping bags. :) Basic gear for every soldier here. Those were also in use already in early 90's (maby 80's?)
Greetings from Finland! Had this for a long time, indestructible and simple. Although in this video it's upside down...
Linus Stråhlman it isnt!
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Manufacturer says rubber side up to prevent slipping of sleeping bag, but many use it rubber side down to help with fabric from curling and gathering up. Rubber side down, it tends to all lay flat. Use it any way you like, it works either way and is super tough.
@@Broxine it is! Using it like he did would be stupid cuz the waterproof side would be on top meaning that moisture could get in to the evalozote material and reduce the insulation.
@@franzsteinke8359 i linked you an official video from the manufacturer where he explains it, but i see your point.
This is what I thought too lol. Very good review though
I was hoping someone would do a review of this product. Should have known you were on it! One note: I think the rubberized side is actually intended to be the top of the mat which is designed to keep a slippery sleeping bag from sliding off the mat while sleeping. It'd also make sense that the top side would be interior-facing when rolled so that your actual sleeping surface wouldn't be exposed to the elements. Thanks for doing these reviews, Luke. Definitely one of my favorite channels and I'm always excited when you put out a new military surplus gear review. Speaking of... did you ever end up doing the giveaway for that Dutch army pack? ;) Keep up the good work, bud!
Savotta is a great quality with decent price. Finnish armed forces are one of the biggest users of their products, and that tells you something about the quality and usability.
Nice... I have about 150 nights on this pad when I was in the Finnish marines... It is really a good one... :-)
Thanks for the feedback brother. That is appreciated.
- Luke
Urah!
I had only 22 but I served in the Navy :)
How comfy are they?
This not a product for growing man playing to be soldiers. This is the pad that the real man in Finnish military are actually using.
And I mean in extreme conditions. That’s the point within this. It’s not meant for easy walking in the woods during spring, summer, or fall conditions. It’s meant to be used on those fu@$& cold conditions in Finnish winter when little green men are shooting you from the east. I’ve been using this in all possible situations with or without tent, rain, mud, summer, and winter. It’s just great. Keeps you dry and works without any hassle.
Sure, it’s bulky and heavy. I have another pad that I’m using during summer or everything above 32 Fahrenheit conditions. After that, this’s is the only choice.
Little green men haven't been shooting at ya for the last 70 years. Is not going to happen due to NATO and being a EU member.
@@ChrisRedfield-- that is what we hope. But knowing our neighbour its not a bad idea to be properly prepared. Youkno what happened inGeorgia and Ukraine. Better be ready than dead.
I understand they use it in the army but does it keep you warm? I doesn't seem that insulated.
@@esavirtanen6418 I never had a problem with it. I only remember it feelin cold when we prepared emergency shelters and didnt have a sleeping bag. It feels very warm during winter months even when spending hours on bare snow, without a tent during, during a stakeout, etc. If you do get cold, I suggest just putting on more clothes in the sleeping bag or putting pine branches under the mat.
It will for sure keep you warm as well as one can expect. However, even the finnish army wouldn't go into the -35C forest without a stove with them.
I often remember hugging the mat during stakeouts, because it was just a better insulator than the air around me, trapping heat under me.
@@ChrisRedfield-- this comment aged poorly
Love how you said "Great sense of humor in the beginning"
If you go to their website, they put the price of toilet paper in exchange for products. I nearly died laughing from it.
A group benefit of the wings is that they combine to form a bigger waterproof layer when you overlap the wings of adjacent pads. Great is you have a wet/dirty ground sheet or no ground sheet at all in a larger shelter.
Another great Savotta product! Thanks for the review!
I have used one for a while they're robust and very versatile. OK for most times of the year, in winter if you need more R value to keep warm add an inflatable pad on top or a good quality wool blanket you'll be fine in v cold conditions. One of the best pads to add to the outside of your bergen as unlike some foam pads it won't shred going through rough foliage/terrain and it's not a silly bright bling colour with logos
You can also purchase this through Canadian Outdoor Equipment based just outside of Toronto , excellent customer service , great products including this mat and the poncho tarp by Savotta which i own , and both are as advertised , excellent quality , simplistic , durable and reliable , prerequisites when going into the wild for short or long term periods of time
I love your videos, brother. It's good to see you don't get distracted but stay right. God's blessing be with you.
The Fins have some really cool stuff
We have a very demanding environment so everything has to just work. Sleeping in a guerrilla tent in -30 C leaves no room for error.
Actually what you described as the 'top' is the bottom and vice-versa. But I guess it doesn't matter that much...
Yep. Slept on this when I served in the finnish Marines. Good mat that will work in -35c to + 40c (personally tested) and is indestructible. The comfort could be better tho, so not what I would buy for civilian use.
Love your positive outlook on gear and how to use it. To many others looking for doomsday bug out gear. Nice seeing someone enjoying life. Thanks
Your channel rocks Luke!!
Thank you so much Smosesa!
- Luke
I'm a Finn. PV2shuaZane is right.
Run that pad with a Carinthia Def 4 or 6 and maybe and small additional air pad ans you can get a good night's rest anywhere.
I used the same pad in the army, it is comfortable and easy to use in any time of year. Funny thing that it was about -35 Celsius winter time, this pad was great even though I forgot to use wings at all :D However, if there is any moisture on the surface, this pad will freeze very thick in those temperatures.
I could not find an R-value on this thing. Any ideas?
From military experience: it worked in -30 C
Oh, a sleeping pad with wings that help keep you dry, and it's thin.
Luke always love your reviews
love the design of all the finnish sleep mats, I wish I could afford one, but I make do with a home made version for now, a ground sheet gaffer taped to a roll mat :)
Hello Luke, you showed us the mat upside-down. The rubber surface is top. Then the deflate-hole is not on the ground.
Greetings from Bavaria
That makes more sense otherwise it's a stupid design as every time you roll the pad, the sleeping side is exposed to the elements -rain, snow, dirt, mud, etc. and therefore you'd be sleeping on all that garbage.
Stefan L-D, Luke did not mention self inflating?
Jack Duffy it doesn't have air in it. It's a foam sleeping mat.
I think its the other way around ;) you put the sticky side up so you dont slide away from your mat during the night.
From Finland, with love and SISU.
I tell you, you cant truly appreciate a good foam sleeping pad till you spend a couple weeks sleeping on top of an Abrams tank.
sweet ....that will be great for winter ... ATB Andy
God bless you man. Love that you keep putting out vids. Me and my boy love your vids. Love when you say "a lot of intelligent thought went into the making of this product" I'm a mechanical designer and I love to hear that grouping of words...So much stuff these days makes me scratch my head when it comes to quality and thought of design. Great vids man...love you and your family. Would that pack be more comfy with a cross belly strap?
Thanks again Luke. My fellow countrymen have already brought up some points so I am not able to say more. I have used other Savotta products for many years, like tarps and backpacks. They really are excellent. The most I like is the tarp which is huge but weighs almost nothing and has a bug net too.
i used to use "bottom" as the upside, cos i'd rather with my pad, than off my pad.
That looks nice, and not super expensive either. I may have to pick up one of those. I like the rubber coating as well.
We use these in the Finnish defence forces and honestly if you’re laying on flat grass... sure its comfortable, but i can still feel the rocks and tree roots on my back. In terms of water... none gets through so thats good i guess
Savotta's own answer how to use this mat. I have own this mat for like 4 years now and I have always used the rubber side up, but now lately I have start using the mat as Luke did. Just because it do not curl up. I guess it is function as long it is not getting dirty in some way or wet from when carrying it during rain.
Short answer from Savotta. There is no wrong way what ever you choose to use this mat.
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This pad has wings! LOL! Have to keep this away from my wife!
Hahahaha
"That sounds weird."
- Luke
Nice pad Luke! Thumbs up!
sure beats the yoga mat I have for a sleeping mat
I'd give this a shot!
Good job Luke! God bless ya
that feeling when you're finn and just visited varusteleka physically and bought insane stuff with no sipping cost
The top is actually the bottom in the army, puns not intended.
The rubber is sopposed to be on the top so you wouln'd slide towads the wood stove in your sleeping pad. Obviously you want your feet towards the stove, and for more egual heat distribution and confortyou want your head end to be on higher grouond. That makes it so that the ground, snow or spruce padding under you is in the way, you are likely to slide towars the stove.
Looks great just what i need, I just ordered one...Thanks for the video..
You know, I never realized the pad was rolled up until you mentioned it 😉
I don't know how much technology has changed but years ago we used to get a rubber mat in the US Army that resembled a black yoga mat just something to keep you off the ground and to keep the cold from coming up into your cold weather sleeping bag
Kick ass channel!
That's really cool I'd like to try and get that one day
Thanks, Luke! Only question I have is, because we are coming up to the Fall and Winter seasons here in the US, do you know what the R rating is on the pad? Thank you!
Unfortunately I don't know what the R-value is but I will see what the company has to say.
- Luke
This is exactly the same product that the Finnish Defence Forces use, so it'll handle even the harshest winter easily. During my service we had nights when the temperature would drop down to -29℃/-20℉ and I was fine. This is an excellent product if you don't mind the size.
Thank you Luke,i bay one 😺👍
Great video Luke. Unfortunately with a bad back I have to carry an air mattress for camping.
Just purchased M05 bag with this mat from Varusteleka
When I was in the military we didn't have sleeping pads. In fact we had nothing. We just yelled BANG BANG and threw with pine cones..............if we had any pine cones.
Haha, the best comment so far!
Thanks!
Got it wrong Luke, the rubber side goes up. It's to stop sleeping bag from sliding off
Wow,I want one of those mats
You should say jääkäri with the german way jaegar easier for english speakers to say.
👍👍 Mt man here good vid
I like it
What R Value? Must be good. This canceles the need for a ground cloth. That saved a lb. Still if I'm traveling EDC if take the acterics because it doubles as a shelter.
The Finnish military sleepinging pad, With exdended frost liners, Use frost liners on the ground in cold sleeping area's. Raiders warning.
It's a MONSTA!!!
I like the backpack
great video
Thanks for this, just the other day I was thinking the thing that bugs me about sleeping pads is arms can get cold on the floor around them
Is there an R value?
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How long was it for them (Varusteleka) to ship products from Finland to the US?
Typically week or two, sometimes more if theres problems on customs side.
Nice, it might not slide but the sleeping bag on top with you in will be sliding around like an eel out off water. A little anti slip matting will help but at nearly a kg for a sleep mat wow.
We didnt have the rubber underneath while I was serving last year. Some might have those versions tho. I can safely say you are not slipping anywhere in your sleeping bag though.
I could be wrong but when you flipped it over to show the rubberized bottom I think I may have seen the inflation/deflation vent, would it not make sense for that to be on the top to avoid possibly sucking in some water off whatever surface you may be on and the rubberization might just keep your sleep system on the cushy part a bit.
No holes at all ....
It’s heavy , bulky and built like a tank pretty much every military surplus
The wings on the sleeping pad are a frost Barrera. So call them any thing you like. Out.
Hmm i guess i'm a bit weird i don't mind if things weigh alot just as long as they are not bulky and i can fit everything inside the pack neatly this is great but i wouldn't carry it.
Does anyone know if it can be used as a stand alone unit below freeze point, with out additional ground insulation (air pads). Any info appreciated....Cheers
Try it. I think it's more about the sleeping bag, anyways. R value is 2.
@@osku3818 You'll be cold in a warm sleeping bag if the ground is sucking your body heat (conduction !!!) Try it lol. Thanx for the info R2 bit too low for what I want, Thermarest close cell foam is about R2 and just 410 grams. Once again much appreciated couldn't find the answer on line...
@@bexbugoutsurvivor Hello Bex,
I have used this mat down to -7c and been fine.
The wings work really well to keep water off sleeping bag/bivvy. I remember one time I slept on water logged woodland ground and not a drop got on my bivvy. The ground was so water logged wherever I would stand the ground formed a puddle.
This was all in the uk where the cold feels worse from the damp conditions and wind we get here.
Big fan of your videos btw and thanks for your quality content :)
Great video review, Luke !
What was the pack, though ?
I have the Eberlestock Battleship, for a main pack and would like to find a pack that would be used for 1-3 day hikes from base camps
Let's do the time warp again... it's only Tuesday...
Vernastulicker?
But Luke you put this out on a tuesday. time is going out the window, physics what happened ? lol all jokes aside. Luke you said it will not absorb moisture at all but i did notice the small breather hole on the bottom, is that going to be an issue with potentially sucking in water, ( assuming you are sleeping on the ground ground and not in a tent or bivy of sorts) ? In my opinion i think that breather hold should be on the top of the sleeping mat. Dont blast me Keyboard warriors, this is just an observation on my part.
No no no ...1 year experience so sorry. But if you are hippie, you can put six together and thats like kingsize bed if you like ! ha
Hello ! Do you know what is his R-value ? And is he confortable?
2, he is comfortable.
Nice- what is the R value? I didn't see this listed.
Could you recommend any good shooting mats please
It's 100% Gorilla proof the way this old timer like it. Good video. I own one a R-2 is better than R-0 After a catastrophic air mattress failure just add a air for cold trips and stop counting grams it your life so what is that worth ?. Correct gear for the task at hand.
Wish they had camo colors.
Thank you Savotta for sending gear and equipment to help the Ukrainian soldiers fighting against the evil Russian aggressors 👍🙏
Can find Savotta in Canada too
What is the R value of the mat?
So far no one found one lol but it‘s good!
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What is the R rating?
If you can, could you do a review on Outdoor Vitals sleeping pad? No one has done a review on either of their pads.
Two pounds eleven ounces and it's half an inch thick. A Thermarest SoLite weighs less, is wider, and costs less. I can bring a section of plastic sheeting to park it on. The military gear is interesting but I don't think it's the best place to look for examples of quality, light weight, backpacker gear.
Zanshin Habit far more durable and will last you entire life.
Can you use it as a hammock?
please do a sleeping bag review
What type of sleeping bag Derek? - Luke
Wait no actually please do another review of the Jacks 'R' Better quilt
Jääkäri means Jäger (Yeager) and is pronounced yeackery
R value for 1,2kg pad?I think it's less than 3. R value of Thermarest Ridgerest foam mat (400grams)is R 2.6 with Rab ground sheet(250grams)and its 600 grams lighter.
R value is 2. I find the savotta mat to be thicker and more comfortable. It just doesn't give me those cold spots when you put too much weight on one spot.
What is the function of the wings?
Ich denke wie von Luke erklärt, dass das Schlafequipment trocken bleibt, auch wenn man von der Matte etwas runter rutscht beim Schlafen. Zudem ist es vielleicht ganz hilfreich sich Abends trocken die Schuhe auszuziehen. Ich werde die Matte ggf. auch mal testen. Grüße, Azze
maybe, maybe, this is my opinion, so you don't roll next to the wet ground ?
That´s it Garrett. And by the way you have a nice place to place your shoes and little gear.
Well idk what the real purpose is, but for us who served in the finnish military, you could easily cover the whole tents floor with the mats when you spread the wings. Yes we did have like a rubberized mat for the whole tent but the mats gave you a second layer.
What do you do with all your gear after you finish reviewing it you must have tons of packs🤑
Joshua Boquet checkout the outdoor gear review website, he put some stuff on there for sale...
does it have an r value
See if you can review the kelty miiltary line. Falcon and eagle packs
Was that a drain hole?
hey luke how about a campin spot on lone wolf moutain on sunday night till hurrimupcane blows threw
Upside down.... (or did somebody already mention that?)
Looks like a fabulous pad but a little too heavy for backpacking… For me anyway
luke no bad cons?thats weird.
Definitely not for everyone but for those who like military surplus and very basic gear, it's cool.
- Luke
New generation? We had those in Finnish army back in 90's (might be even earlier that just the time I was in..)
Maby the fillings really are new. Model (outform) has been same for decades (those wings..)
You should check Finnish army old "Tena" - 40 degrers sleeping bags. :) Basic gear for every soldier here. Those were also in use already in early 90's (maby 80's?)
Any idea of the r-value on these?
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