Dude. The fast forward of blowing up the pad is comedic genius. I'm dying here. I love the channel! Great info, trusted reviews, and the best outdoor comedy going.
I have this pad, i bought it after you first showed it a few months ago. So far I have used it on several camping trips and have used it on a number of occasions where i had a short shift at work and needed to stay over. And granted i have never used an expensive pad, to date this is the most expensive ive used. But i have to say, of all the pads I have ever used this is by far the best and most comfortable pad i have ever used, and i am a 240 pound guy. Though to inflate it i use a small battery pump.
I agree. Im 200lbs and this is my motocamp pad. I've had many trial runs and I'll be bringing it with me to Alaska this summer. no issues touching the ground while on my side. I wonder if he received a defective product.
Thanks Luke for a great review. I own this pad and have had great experiences. Used it in similar temperatures to Luke ( I’m in NC as well) and was always warm and slept great. I do agree that care needs to be taken to make sure it is fully inflated but after that it’s been a great pad for me.
Owned for about three months now and it has performed perfectly. I’m okay with the review because I’m hoping less people will buy and it will go on sale so I can purchase another one for the wife
I'm a big fan of your channel and have been waiting for this review. I've had this pad for a while now and I was stunned at your review. I've had really good luck with this pad. Has kept me completely warm at 18 degrees F. I didn't touch the ground and I'm a 215lb side sleeper. I'm comfortable on it and find it be comparable to the REI Helix. I'm very surprised you had such bad luck with it. Could you have a faulty pad? I've used this pad quite a few times and for the money I feel it can't be beat. Keep up the good work Luke!
I've had this pad since last October & used it around 8 times from 0c to 12c & haven't suffered from the cold, also found it perfectly comfortable, maybe yours is faulty?? Also, I don't think you can complain that a big mat takes more air to inflate it!
I was expecting a praise. I have been using it since early spring and I absolutely love it. To be fair I have never had a chance to sleep on a termarest pad. I am 1.90cm and a 95kg and I have no issues with comfort and I immediately feel my body warmth radiating back. My experience was totally different. Ps. My pad is from latest batch, they were out of stock for a while. Thanks for another great video
I almost purchased this pad , but went for the naturehike 5.0 I have not used it in the field yet, but will let you know how that pad performs for me. Thanks for all that you do.
Hi Luke! I can completely agree with you. I don't have the Onetigris sleeping pad, but the Naturehike 5.8R. It looks exactly the same except for the color and is just as uncomfortable as you describe the Onetigris sleeping pad. The R value is also not right under real conditions. Just above freezing it was definitely too cold for this sleeping pad. Thanks for the video and greetings from Germany 👋🏻
A sleeping pad like this uses two methods of insulation. Reflective layers that reflect radiated heat, and separated small air pockets to decrease convective heat loss. If you are bottoming out, the the air chambers aren't acting as convective insulation, and even worse, direct contact with the ground means conductive heat loss. In other words, your comfort issues are the reason why this pad is cold. It has little to do with the R - Value of the pad. If you where sinking in less, it would be warmer. You may want to contact One Tigris about it. Other commenters suggest they aren't sinking in as much. Yours might be faulty.
Got mine about 6 weeks ago after waiting for it to get back in stock. I used it for 2 nights over the weekend and found it to be very comfortable. I did find I needed to add extra air to firm it up, but I also have an REI helix that I have to do the same thing with, needs extra air. I can’t speak for the warmth because the temperature didn’t get below 55F but it did feel warm
I have this exact pad and spent three nights in Northen Wisconsin with temperatures around 43-48 F degrees. I'm about 140lbs and did not have any issues with warmth or my body touching the ground sleeping on side nor back. For the sleep system I use a Naturehike sleeping bag LW180 as my main sleeping bag and I insert my near zero down sleeping bag as blanket cover. It is actually the most comfortable pad I've own to date. If you're using this for kids or someone that weighs less then 150lbs, I would recommend this as a cheaper alternative to the xtherm.
I’ve had an XTherm for 8 years and I’m happy with it, it never failed me. It cost well below $200 when I bought it. If I was looking for a sleeping pad today I would be reluctant to pay the current XTherm price and look for a cheaper option.
Bro yoy brake my heart 😢. I really liked it from the start, also saw your review video and had higher hopes than ever. Bought it but didnt have the chance to check it out in the wild... But slept 2-3 nights in my house floor and it was really comfortable (im ~70 kg) i will update when i try it out 😊
AWESOME REVIEW! I might have considered this pad not just based on price but more so, the OneTigris reputation with other quality products they market. Thanks for the solid review.
I'm using this sleeping pad and I have no problems so far. I'm 6 ft, 200 lbs, and I tried it at 0°C a couple of times. It's comfortable (side sleeper), quiet, and lightweight, but not ultralight. For the price, definitely was a good purchase. Just a note, I inflated the sleeping pad with the Flextail Zero Pump, but it didn't reach full inflation... So, I tried using the stuff sack as well.. That being said, I'm not sure blowing it up with your lungs alone will get you to full inflation.. I believe using the stuff sack allows you to add more air..
I have the rectangular wide Light Tour 5.8 pad, Weighs 680g, and comes with the air pump sac. R value is 5.8, and being a hefty bloke that would make a pregnant elephant jealous, it hasn't let me down. I use a small air pump, which really takes not much time. The only downer is that you have to make sure that the valve has been tightly sealed. Otherwise, you wake up thinking you are on a cheap summer pad. It is over the £100 now. I bought it when it was under that price. For me it is worth it. I go wild camping in the Highlands of Scotland.
I have the Naturehike version of this exact same mat and am happy with it too. For some reasons, when I bought it the Naturehike was a little bit cheaper than the Lightour version. They are now on Aliexpress for approx 100 $.
Interesting, I have one of these and although I've yet to use it in really cold conditions I have found the moment I lay on it I'm aware of my body heat coming back up at me and it feels really warm. I thought it was pretty comfortable as well but you definitely have more experience of it in different conditions than I do.
Maybe because of his matter of fact tone and without going "uuhh" every couple of words. Also his actual real testing of the things he buys is quite nice. He also has videos of him just filming his outdoor adventures. Some get a little crazy with the weather
I live in the UK and I bought this sleeping pad 2 months ago. I had to wait 4 weeks for delivery but boy was it worth the wait. Comfort, R Value and price absolutely beat anything else on the market.. 100% I would recommend
The other fella that did a review on this mat said he was fine down to 10°F in the snow. Now I'm gonna have to try it on my own because you're the first person to say it wasn't warm. The reviews on Amazon claims it performed well for them, too. I'm also planning to use a closed-cell with it as well. Paranoid about my sleep mats. 😂 Anyway, thanks for the review.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I had very high hopes after watching your first review. I am a budget shopper and am always looking for a great deal on camping equipment. I guess I just need to "buy once, cry once". Thanks!
Folks. Just save the extra $ and get the neo xtherm. The best you can get. However, if you're not planning to camp in cold temperatures, just buy the decathlon R value 5 pad for about 80 bucks.
I have this pad and I think it's fine. I car camp sometimes and use a Zenbivy bed with this mattress and have no issues, but I'm also not going out in the winter.
Hi, thats strange. I am heavier than you and I slept last Saturday on the Obsidian. I never touched the ground. We had 9°C and very high humidity at night 2m close to a lake and I had no temperature problems. Ok, I dont know, how it performs below that, but with 9°C ist was perfect. The only drawback I had, is that the Obsidian has not much grip. Its easy to slide down. I think the comfort is very good. Btw. Do you have Gruezi Bag in the US? I used it that night the first time and the Biopod wool survival was fantastic. I didn`t felt anything of the humidity and no chance for mosquitos.
I always trust your reviews. Of course, a feature that's important to you might not be as important to me, but that's just personal preference and choice. I believe you give it your best effort to genuinely and fairly test the product at hand and you did that in this case. Thank you.
I have this pad and I think you just got a bad one, or weren’t inflating it fully or properly… using your mouth (like you did in the beginning of this video) introduces water into the system which will severely chill you and negate the insulation and R-value in low temps. I just used it for 14 consecutive nights with temps getting down in the teens. I woke up sweating every morning and never once touched the ground. Every couple days I would be sure to top it off but I think you’d have to do that with any pad no matter the cost. This thing is comfy and incredibly warm!
i watched the first video and purchased this pad. I used it once on a warmer night and slept comfortable, Im 210 lbs and never touched the ground. it has great quality. so far Im very pleased with my purchase..Most of my camping will be in warmer conditions. I wouljd purchase it again.
Hi Luke! Like you, had high hopes that this would be a great product. It's really too bad it didn't work out. For some reason I personally am not a fan of sleeping pads that feature that kind of "cellular" design. Almost bought an inexpensive one a long while back that was that same kind of design. Fortunately, after seeing your review of a Teton Sports pad, I got it instead. It, like the T-rest pad has the "ribbed" kind of construction that runs perpendicular to the length. I am WAY heavier that you and can sleep on my side and not touch the ground. This construction seems to be the best for supporting weight, for some reason. Keep up the good work!
I got one very similar if not the same model, same issues as you found before I finally spent the extra money on a thermarest mondoking. Did not buy once cry once in this case, sadly. Great review Luke.
Question for a possible future video: Most of my trips involve multiple water crossings and I have a couple choices: I can walk right through, getting my boots wet and walking for some miles in wet shoes. I can take off my boots and go barefoot. Or I could pack extra water shoes of some kind and put them on; cross, and then exchange shoes again on other side. Each choice offer lots of disadvantages. I am not someone who can wear lite trail runners because of my ankles. Soooo, what's the answer? Are there ultra, ultra lite easy to put on shoes the would be worth the trouble to put on and take off. Or stick with my current method of walking straight through and living with wet feet for some time. What say you?
If you don't want to shell out for some high quality, legitimately waterproof boots so you won't have to swap in and out all the time, just get some water shoes. They come in all different price, quality ranges and tread patterns, dry super fast and weigh next to nothing. Most of them just slip right on and are tight enough that your wet feet won't slide around in them and toss you off a rock. They also make good camp shoes and there ain't nothing better than a nice pair of airy camp shoes to relieve those swollen feet at the end of the day.
I've had the same pad and I've been super warm and comfortable. I think maybe that little pump can't put enough pressure. Try going as hard as possible with the inflation bag. I squeeze it with my knees to get the last bit of pressure in there. I'm upper 200's weight wise and if I inflate the pad as hard as I can it's perfect and I'm a side or belly sleeper.
Im really glad you did this review now. It was sold out and comes back in stock at 31st of may and i was sure to buy it due to high R-Value and low price. Now i probably wont buy it. It was too good to be true. Once again on point video, keep going .)
I recently had to buy an air mattress to use as a bed for a short time. I bought a King Koil 20 in height queen size with a built in pump and fully flocked with durable sides and top. It has coil construction and raised pillow on one end. It is very comfortable and can adjust the firmness. I’ll be keeping it to use for overnight guests or family camping. It is perfect for those people that can’t get up from a low level. It is quite heavy, not sure how much it weighs. The cost was $158 on sale. Is this something you would possibly be able to test out for those that need to have more like a bed versus a sleeping mat or cot? I’m interested in your opinion.
Well, that's saved me some money. I was considering this after your first look as I am a big fan of OneTigris. I'm just glad I waited to see your review before I committed. What would be the closest competitor to the Xtherm in your opinion?
I bought this pad last week based on the initial review but haven’t used it yet. I was going to use it for camping but the failed comfort aspect from this review is now a concern.
I bought this pad based on your original video. I took it out last week and the temp was 9 degrees celcius during the night. I had a foil mat down, the pad and my sleeping bag and was awake cold all night. As you say, theres no way the R value is 5.2. I’m a thin guy aswell so its not my weight.
Thank you Luke for this honest review! I was bout buying this since your first video, but now I'm happy I didn't. I'm still thinking bout buying the Trekology UL80 - because I'm just searching for a (not super) lightweight but very comfortable and budget-friendly pad. It doesn't even have to have the best R-value, it should only be comfortable til about 7°C/45°F. My current pad (Queedo Light Pad - is awesome, but I want it a bit thicker) has a little less than 2 and it's fine. The main thing is: it has to be available in the EU (without exaggerated shipping costs). Do you (or anyone else here) have any other recommendations?
"very comfortable and budget-friendly" aren't things you usually find in the same sentence when it comes to sleeping pads, but I guess it depends on what your opinions of both are. I've never used the UL80 pad, but I do have experience with that valve system and I can tell you it is not good and gets leaky very quickly. Not living in the EU and thus not knowing what's there on the budget end, save Decathlon, I can't recommend an alternative to what you've already got, but what I can tell you is that saving your nickels for a high quality name brand pad is very worth it. You could, however, keep your eyes open for a used one on the secondary market. Usually there's nothing wrong with them and somebody is just replacing it with something better. Once in a while you'll find one for super cheap, but you've got to snap it up because if you don't someone else will. High quality, name brand sleeping pads aren't cheap and used ones are hot on the secondary market. Even if you get one that has a little pin hole in it somewhere, just find it in the bathtub and patch it.
I listened to your comments about the Therm-A-Rest exotherm, and bought one. I agree about warmth and weight. However, my experience with it was not good at all. Their inflation procedures are based on a poorly operating wing valve. They took something that should be simple, and designed something that is a large pain in the neck. My exotherm would get soft by morning. On the second trip it went entirely flat. I now use a foam pad; it has no moving parts. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Were you just using the wing part or also screwing down the other part of the valve? I've seen others have issues with the new thermarest valve because they don't realize you need to do both
@@niceguy191 G’day, Nice. I was press fitting the inflation bag. That’s a more difficult job than it should be. Eventually, it would inflate. But it was a 10-15 minute ordeal. And it would deflate during the night. My old, self inflating Therm-A-Rest is 100% easy and reliable. But, about a foot too wide for this tent setup. My best to you. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
I was literally just about to purchase this product and I'm glad you released this review when you did. I know the Thermarest is top of the pile, but can you recommend another cold weather pad that isn't $300? What would be the runner - up?
Nemo, Big Agnes, Sea to Summit and Exped all make good pads that won't blow out your wallet, but the best value is going to come from the Outdoor Vitals Oblivion. These are limited run pads, though, and when they're gone who knows when they'll make more, but they do still have some in stock.
I would suggest testing the "Deckathlon FORCLAZ MT900 Insulated " the 5.4 R vesrion pad an excelent pad for the money. Really impressed with that one for 135 EUR
After a couple very cold nights on an insulated klymit static v I am entirely skeptical of manufacturers' stated R values. Klymit claimed R4.4 but ASTM says closer to R1.3 I'll bet One Tigris is just making up a number that sounds phenomenal.
The Klymit pad is a scam for sure and it's a scam that a lot of budget brands use. The One Tigris R Value appears to be legit as they display all the test results in their marketing, name the facility that did it and explicitly state that the R value is the ASTM rated value, except there's no question that the pads selected for testing were specifically built to be the pads that got tested in the first place. The other 75k pads probably have quality control that's all over the place, as per usual with One Tigris products, and for every pad that works great there's three that run from barely adequate to complete junk. But never fear because in typical One Tigris fashion, in six months they'll release the Obsidian 2.0 or Obsidian upgraded that will work marginally better than the first one.
I have a Vango Aotrom Thermo Platinum sleep mat, it apparently has a R value of 4.2, and I find it very comfy and warm.. Think I paid around £75 when I got it... When I sit on it you can literally feel the heat radiating back... Try and get one of these Luke to review...
Thank you, Luke, for your agenda FREE channel. I think everyone on this planet, except for some manufacturers, follow & TRUST your recommendations - good & bad. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
Hey Luke, can you do a review of the Nemo Tensor Extreme? I have one and used it only for 5 nights, I found it to be uncomfortable but I would like to see a video from someone more knowledgable than myself before I give up on it. It's plenty warm but I don't get a good nights sleep on it. HELP ME!
Those pads are scams that have an ASTM rated R value (1.9) less than half the R value they claim (4.4). High R value sleeping pads, and I mean pads that actually have the claimed R value, and that don't have a giant pack size are never cheap, but unless you're camping in the winter an R value in the mid/high 3s is really all you'll ever need if you've got a good base layer and bag. Backing up a cooler running pad with a closed cell foam mat also provides a substantial R value boost, especially if it's a reflective mat.
I've read a lot of the comments down here, not all, but every one of them from owners that I did read , around eight, says they slept quite comfortable on this pad 🤔
National forests, national and state parks, hunting preserves, etc. I believe there's three national forests in Michigan and I'm sure different ones have different requirements but the ones I go to a lot in NC all you need to do is park and go and pitch up wherever you want to as long as it's not specifically marked that you can't camp there, which is usually because you're very close to someone's private property. Only requirement is you can't stay longer than two consecutive weeks. Parks often have designated "camp only here" sites you're supposed to use and those are good when you're just starting out because they're usually clean and level, free of widow makers and drain well, and nobody will have to look too hard to find you if you need help. There's probably also some backpacking groups in the area you can join.
From all the negatives you've mentioned, it simply cannot handle your weight thus cannot keep you off from the ground. One reason not to include the weight limit for the product.
That was a close one, I almost bought this product yesterday but opted for the Klymit Insulated Static V Lite. I wanted a budget friendly pad to hold me over while I save up for the X Therm!
I have that very sleeping matt. Super comfortable, but if you like to go out in cold weather it will leave you cold. If you like to camp during the fall or winter return it and save up for something better like the X therm
I do have Klymit static V luxe SL and also Big Agnes Rapide SL. I would not buy Klymit one nowadays, it costs maybe 174 eur and has really low R-value ( around 2 ASTM rated I think ), which I didnt know at the time I was buying that because they claim it is 4-season with high R-value. It is also not as comfortable as Rapide SL so I really would not recommend it, it is not worth the money ( I bought bigger version because classic budget friendly is in my opinion really small, and I am really not a big guy ).
@@Dirtbaghippy The Big Agnes Rapide SL is also not as warm as the R-value claim. Its definitely warmer than the Klymit, but its not comparable to the other 4.5-5 rated pads Ive used. I have used it in spring conditions and found it to be inadequate, where the REI Helix and Thermarest Xlite have been adequate. However, 'spring conditions' for me mean moderate elevation (5000 - 6500 ft) in in the Cascade Mountains in Washington State. typically 20s (F) and sleeping on moderately deep and icy snowpack. The Rapide is probably adequate in most spring conditions for most people. Its just not as warm as other pads with similar R values. The REI Helix is a better pad in my opinion.
I'm getting a buzz watching you blow that up 😵💫. I almost ordered this based on the first review. A friend I do a lot of backpacking with has two but never mentioned any issues.
I have an insulated pad, I have a super light uninsulated pad, both for backpacking purposes, but generally I car camp and use an XL cot and giant comfy pad.
Mine came in the mail with a leak, seems to be from a crease from a fold. One Tigris wants me to "Send them a picture". You can't see it, what good would that do. I'm disappointed as well I didn't even get to try it once.
Pump the thing up and spray it with some soapy water and snap a couple of photos of the air bubbles. Then send them a short 15 or 20 second video of the same thing. That should do it.
So I have this pad (bought it for myself) and not had these issues, I've only slept it down to 32/0 and not had any issues. I'm a side sleeper and prefer it to my thermarest as I don't geg a dead arm. I think your two main issues are basically the same, your body is getting through to the ground and you're losing heat as a result. But it definitely doesn't work for you. If it helps I'm 160lb and 6 foot. Maybe that's significant? Who knows.
I used this pad while in the military service and took it out to many field events both hot and cold, honestly it all comes down to how picky you are, if you are cold well wear more layers , if you are hot then wear less layers. About conform well suck it up you camping it’s not your fancy bed.
I’m a side sleeper. I’ve been using a twin or Queen air mattress from Academy. They are not “light weight” but are budget friendly. I would like a lighter more compact option, but this one won’t be it.
Ugh that's a bummer. I was really hoping that pad was going to get a good review. Hopefully someone comes out with a budget friendly warm and comfortable pad in the near future.
Just buy any old cheap air pad, but supplement it with a surplus German army folding sleep mat. It will handle anything and packs easily. I'm now into my 4th season using it.
Its possible that the reason for the cons is its size. If you lie on any sleeping pad, the pad will compress until the internal pressure is high enough that it can support your body weight. A wider pad would mean that theres more space on the left and right of you for the air to go to when compressing, meaning you will sink more when lying on a wider pad than a narrower pad. You would counter this by blowing the pad up more. Youd reach a better R value too if you have a proper amount of space.
I used air pads for many years. They have one problem. The seams blow out after a certain amount of use. Some are better then other. Comfort was Exped makes the best and the warmest. Thermorest make the strongest pad. They last. They are also somewhat noisy. I have used other pads. They either didn’t last or they were not that comfortable. With a high R value Exped you can sleep on snow with a decent sleeping bag. The Thermorest he talks about is warm also but not as warm as the 9 R down mat Exped makes. Buy a cooler pad is better in summer.
Thanks to the rocket scientists that work at Amazon, no doubt. I got a free $280 tent from them because it had a very minor defect. I ordered a replacement which they promptly sent, but the shipper never picked up the old one for return. Month after month they would threaten to bill me for it and I'd have to get on chat, tell them that nobody has come to get it and schedule a new return that again nobody would ever come to collect, then in a month I'm getting another email threatening to charge me for it. Finally, I got on the phone with them and raised hell about it and asked them why they even wanted it back so bad anyway because they can't sell a defective product and the girl was like "You know what? You're right. Just keep it." So, now I have two of them and one of them is brand new, just has a tiny little defect that has zero impact on it's usability or performance. I also got two backpacking chairs because the first one appeared to be lost in shipping. Support sent me another one straightaway and they *both* arrived on the same day with the first one never showing as delivered.
Dude. The fast forward of blowing up the pad is comedic genius. I'm dying here. I love the channel! Great info, trusted reviews, and the best outdoor comedy going.
I have this pad, i bought it after you first showed it a few months ago. So far I have used it on several camping trips and have used it on a number of occasions where i had a short shift at work and needed to stay over. And granted i have never used an expensive pad, to date this is the most expensive ive used. But i have to say, of all the pads I have ever used this is by far the best and most comfortable pad i have ever used, and i am a 240 pound guy. Though to inflate it i use a small battery pump.
I agree. Im 200lbs and this is my motocamp pad. I've had many trial runs and I'll be bringing it with me to Alaska this summer. no issues touching the ground while on my side. I wonder if he received a defective product.
@@dominofive5075 seems to contradict bosqueenet review th-cam.com/video/8HWZIu1H3IA/w-d-xo.html
@@dominofive5075Same. No issues with me touching the ground either even when on my side. I find it very comfortable.
Thanks Luke for a great review.
I own this pad and have had great experiences. Used it in similar temperatures to Luke ( I’m in NC as well) and was always warm and slept great.
I do agree that care needs to be taken to make sure it is fully inflated but after that it’s been a great pad for me.
Owned for about three months now and it has performed perfectly. I’m okay with the review because I’m hoping less people will buy and it will go on sale so I can purchase another one for the wife
Your honesty is so refreshing
I'm a big fan of your channel and have been waiting for this review. I've had this pad for a while now and I was stunned at your review. I've had really good luck with this pad. Has kept me completely warm at 18 degrees F. I didn't touch the ground and I'm a 215lb side sleeper. I'm comfortable on it and find it be comparable to the REI Helix. I'm very surprised you had such bad luck with it. Could you have a faulty pad? I've used this pad quite a few times and for the money I feel it can't be beat. Keep up the good work Luke!
Agree. I don't experience the issues he's had either. No issues touching the ground at all.
I've had this pad since last October & used it around 8 times from 0c to 12c & haven't suffered from the cold, also found it perfectly comfortable, maybe yours is faulty??
Also, I don't think you can complain that a big mat takes more air to inflate it!
That’s why they include the bag Luke!!! It’s a big pad!
I was expecting a praise. I have been using it since early spring and I absolutely love it. To be fair I have never had a chance to sleep on a termarest pad. I am 1.90cm and a 95kg and I have no issues with comfort and I immediately feel my body warmth radiating back. My experience was totally different. Ps. My pad is from latest batch, they were out of stock for a while.
Thanks for another great video
I almost purchased this pad , but went for the naturehike 5.0 I have not used it in the field yet, but will let you know how that pad performs for me. Thanks for all that you do.
Hi Luke! I can completely agree with you. I don't have the Onetigris sleeping pad, but the Naturehike 5.8R. It looks exactly the same except for the color and is just as uncomfortable as you describe the Onetigris sleeping pad. The R value is also not right under real conditions. Just above freezing it was definitely too cold for this sleeping pad. Thanks for the video and greetings from Germany 👋🏻
A sleeping pad like this uses two methods of insulation. Reflective layers that reflect radiated heat, and separated small air pockets to decrease convective heat loss. If you are bottoming out, the the air chambers aren't acting as convective insulation, and even worse, direct contact with the ground means conductive heat loss.
In other words, your comfort issues are the reason why this pad is cold. It has little to do with the R - Value of the pad. If you where sinking in less, it would be warmer.
You may want to contact One Tigris about it. Other commenters suggest they aren't sinking in as much. Yours might be faulty.
This is why I'm still tempted to make the plunge and buy it anyway. I think I'd live to regret not making this purchase.
Great comment.
Got mine about 6 weeks ago after waiting for it to get back in stock. I used it for 2 nights over the weekend and found it to be very comfortable. I did find I needed to add extra air to firm it up, but I also have an REI helix that I have to do the same thing with, needs extra air. I can’t speak for the warmth because the temperature didn’t get below 55F but it did feel warm
I have this exact pad and spent three nights in Northen Wisconsin with temperatures around 43-48 F degrees. I'm about 140lbs and did not have any issues with warmth or my body touching the ground sleeping on side nor back. For the sleep system I use a Naturehike sleeping bag LW180 as my main sleeping bag and I insert my near zero down sleeping bag as blanket cover. It is actually the most comfortable pad I've own to date. If you're using this for kids or someone that weighs less then 150lbs, I would recommend this as a cheaper alternative to the xtherm.
I’ve had an XTherm for 8 years and I’m happy with it, it never failed me. It cost well below $200 when I bought it. If I was looking for a sleeping pad today I would be reluctant to pay the current XTherm price and look for a cheaper option.
Bro yoy brake my heart 😢. I really liked it from the start, also saw your review video and had higher hopes than ever. Bought it but didnt have the chance to check it out in the wild... But slept 2-3 nights in my house floor and it was really comfortable (im ~70 kg) i will update when i try it out 😊
AWESOME REVIEW! I might have considered this pad not just based on price but more so, the OneTigris reputation with other quality products they market. Thanks for the solid review.
I'm using this sleeping pad and I have no problems so far. I'm 6 ft, 200 lbs, and I tried it at 0°C a couple of times. It's comfortable (side sleeper), quiet, and lightweight, but not ultralight. For the price, definitely was a good purchase.
Just a note, I inflated the sleeping pad with the Flextail Zero Pump, but it didn't reach full inflation... So, I tried using the stuff sack as well.. That being said, I'm not sure blowing it up with your lungs alone will get you to full inflation.. I believe using the stuff sack allows you to add more air..
Thanks for that tip as well.
Had this pad since january, and had it down to -2*c was totally fine and i find it really comfortable
I have the rectangular wide Light Tour 5.8 pad, Weighs 680g, and comes with the air pump sac. R value is 5.8, and being a hefty bloke that would make a pregnant elephant jealous, it hasn't let me down. I use a small air pump, which really takes not much time. The only downer is that you have to make sure that the valve has been tightly sealed. Otherwise, you wake up thinking you are on a cheap summer pad. It is over the £100 now. I bought it when it was under that price. For me it is worth it. I go wild camping in the Highlands of Scotland.
I have the Naturehike version of this exact same mat and am happy with it too. For some reasons, when I bought it the Naturehike was a little bit cheaper than the Lightour version. They are now on Aliexpress for approx 100 $.
Interesting, I have one of these and although I've yet to use it in really cold conditions I have found the moment I lay on it I'm aware of my body heat coming back up at me and it feels really warm. I thought it was pretty comfortable as well but you definitely have more experience of it in different conditions than I do.
I've had good experiences with this pad
You do really detailed reviews. I am not a camper but you make it interesting enough for me to watch 👍
Maybe because of his matter of fact tone and without going "uuhh" every couple of words. Also his actual real testing of the things he buys is quite nice.
He also has videos of him just filming his outdoor adventures. Some get a little crazy with the weather
I’ve recently purchased one. I tested it in the high 30’s and used an accordion pad underneath, it was very comfortable. I do sleep hot though.
I live in the UK and I bought this sleeping pad 2 months ago. I had to wait 4 weeks for delivery but boy was it worth the wait. Comfort, R Value and price absolutely beat anything else on the market.. 100% I would recommend
The other fella that did a review on this mat said he was fine down to 10°F in the snow.
Now I'm gonna have to try it on my own because you're the first person to say it wasn't warm. The reviews on Amazon claims it performed well for them, too. I'm also planning to use a closed-cell with it as well. Paranoid about my sleep mats. 😂
Anyway, thanks for the review.
I bought it, I use it on rei Kingdom cot, and use a mitary mummy bag. Works fine for me.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I had very high hopes after watching your first review. I am a budget shopper and am always looking for a great deal on camping equipment. I guess I just need to "buy once, cry once". Thanks!
Folks. Just save the extra $ and get the neo xtherm. The best you can get. However, if you're not planning to camp in cold temperatures, just buy the decathlon R value 5 pad for about 80 bucks.
I have this pad and I think it's fine. I car camp sometimes and use a Zenbivy bed with this mattress and have no issues, but I'm also not going out in the winter.
Hi, thats strange. I am heavier than you and I slept last Saturday on the Obsidian. I never touched the ground. We had 9°C and very high humidity at night 2m close to a lake and I had no temperature problems. Ok, I dont know, how it performs below that, but with 9°C ist was perfect. The only drawback I had, is that the Obsidian has not much grip. Its easy to slide down. I think the comfort is very good.
Btw. Do you have Gruezi Bag in the US? I used it that night the first time and the Biopod wool survival was fantastic. I didn`t felt anything of the humidity and no chance for mosquitos.
I always trust your reviews. Of course, a feature that's important to you might not be as important to me, but that's just personal preference and choice. I believe you give it your best effort to genuinely and fairly test the product at hand and you did that in this case. Thank you.
I was so confident on the paper stats of this pad. I just received it in the mail 3 days ago.....Let's hope the restock I received, is better.
Thanks for the review, I did consider this 1 but I live in the UK and it became unavailable……glad it did now
I have this pad and I think you just got a bad one, or weren’t inflating it fully or properly… using your mouth (like you did in the beginning of this video) introduces water into the system which will severely chill you and negate the insulation and R-value in low temps.
I just used it for 14 consecutive nights with temps getting down in the teens. I woke up sweating every morning and never once touched the ground. Every couple days I would be sure to top it off but I think you’d have to do that with any pad no matter the cost.
This thing is comfy and incredibly warm!
Thank you for your honest review. Could you compare this to the REI Helix which has a very similar appearance and a claimed R4.9 rating?
i watched the first video and purchased this pad. I used it once on a warmer night and slept comfortable, Im 210 lbs and never touched the ground. it has great quality. so far Im very pleased with my purchase..Most of my camping will be in warmer conditions. I wouljd purchase it again.
Thank you for your honest reviews of so many products
I’d revisit this pad. Perhaps obtain another one and try it again.
Hi Luke! Like you, had high hopes that this would be a great product. It's really too bad it didn't work out. For some reason I personally am not a fan of sleeping pads that feature that kind of "cellular" design. Almost bought an inexpensive one a long while back that was that same kind of design. Fortunately, after seeing your review of a Teton Sports pad, I got it instead. It, like the T-rest pad has the "ribbed" kind of construction that runs perpendicular to the length. I am WAY heavier that you and can sleep on my side and not touch the ground. This construction seems to be the best for supporting weight, for some reason. Keep up the good work!
I got one very similar if not the same model, same issues as you found before I finally spent the extra money on a thermarest mondoking. Did not buy once cry once in this case, sadly. Great review Luke.
Cut the pad open and find out what's actually inside
I own it and have wanted to see someone do that as well. I actually like mine but I haven't tried it in the cold yet.
The AirCore you recommended by BigAgnes worked very well for me, especially since it's thicker. I suppose it's heavier though.
Question for a possible future video: Most of my trips involve multiple water crossings and I have a couple choices: I can walk right through, getting my boots wet and walking for some miles in wet shoes. I can take off my boots and go barefoot. Or I could pack extra water shoes of some kind and put them on; cross, and then exchange shoes again on other side. Each choice offer lots of disadvantages. I am not someone who can wear lite trail runners because of my ankles. Soooo, what's the answer? Are there ultra, ultra lite easy to put on shoes the would be worth the trouble to put on and take off. Or stick with my current method of walking straight through and living with wet feet for some time. What say you?
If you don't want to shell out for some high quality, legitimately waterproof boots so you won't have to swap in and out all the time, just get some water shoes. They come in all different price, quality ranges and tread patterns, dry super fast and weigh next to nothing. Most of them just slip right on and are tight enough that your wet feet won't slide around in them and toss you off a rock. They also make good camp shoes and there ain't nothing better than a nice pair of airy camp shoes to relieve those swollen feet at the end of the day.
I've had the same pad and I've been super warm and comfortable. I think maybe that little pump can't put enough pressure. Try going as hard as possible with the inflation bag. I squeeze it with my knees to get the last bit of pressure in there. I'm upper 200's weight wise and if I inflate the pad as hard as I can it's perfect and I'm a side or belly sleeper.
Appreciate the review, have been holding on purchasing this since I knew you were going to have a review out.
Im really glad you did this review now. It was sold out and comes back in stock at 31st of may and i was sure to buy it due to high R-Value and low price. Now i probably wont buy it. It was too good to be true. Once again on point video, keep going .)
I recently had to buy an air mattress to use as a bed for a short time. I bought a King Koil 20 in height queen size with a built in pump and fully flocked with durable sides and top. It has coil construction and raised pillow on one end. It is very comfortable and can adjust the firmness. I’ll be keeping it to use for overnight guests or family camping. It is perfect for those people that can’t get up from a low level. It is quite heavy, not sure how much it weighs. The cost was $158 on sale. Is this something you would possibly be able to test out for those that need to have more like a bed versus a sleeping mat or cot? I’m interested in your opinion.
Well, that's saved me some money. I was considering this after your first look as I am a big fan of OneTigris. I'm just glad I waited to see your review before I committed. What would be the closest competitor to the Xtherm in your opinion?
Big Agnes Rapide FTW. Used down to 18F and still comfortable. I look forward to taking it lower.
Thanks Luke. Always appreciate the information. Glad I have the X-therm.
I bought this pad last week based on the initial review but haven’t used it yet. I was going to use it for camping but the failed comfort aspect from this review is now a concern.
Looks exactly like the Naturehike R8.8 sleeping pad which I bought this week ☹️. But I won’t have the opportunity to use till November.
Are insulated pads bad in hot weather? I mean do they just block cold or are they hot to sleep on. I’m used to foam pads from Boy Scouts in the 90s…
I bought this pad based on your original video. I took it out last week and the temp was 9 degrees celcius during the night. I had a foil mat down, the pad and my sleeping bag and was awake cold all night. As you say, theres no way the R value is 5.2. I’m a thin guy aswell so its not my weight.
Thank you Luke for this honest review!
I was bout buying this since your first video, but now I'm happy I didn't.
I'm still thinking bout buying the Trekology UL80 - because I'm just searching for a (not super) lightweight but very comfortable and budget-friendly pad. It doesn't even have to have the best R-value, it should only be comfortable til about 7°C/45°F. My current pad (Queedo Light Pad - is awesome, but I want it a bit thicker) has a little less than 2 and it's fine. The main thing is: it has to be available in the EU (without exaggerated shipping costs).
Do you (or anyone else here) have any other recommendations?
"very comfortable and budget-friendly" aren't things you usually find in the same sentence when it comes to sleeping pads, but I guess it depends on what your opinions of both are. I've never used the UL80 pad, but I do have experience with that valve system and I can tell you it is not good and gets leaky very quickly. Not living in the EU and thus not knowing what's there on the budget end, save Decathlon, I can't recommend an alternative to what you've already got, but what I can tell you is that saving your nickels for a high quality name brand pad is very worth it. You could, however, keep your eyes open for a used one on the secondary market. Usually there's nothing wrong with them and somebody is just replacing it with something better. Once in a while you'll find one for super cheap, but you've got to snap it up because if you don't someone else will. High quality, name brand sleeping pads aren't cheap and used ones are hot on the secondary market. Even if you get one that has a little pin hole in it somewhere, just find it in the bathtub and patch it.
I listened to your comments about the Therm-A-Rest exotherm, and bought one. I agree about warmth and weight. However, my experience with it was not good at all.
Their inflation procedures are based on a poorly operating wing valve. They took something that should be simple, and designed something that is a large pain in the neck. My exotherm would get soft by morning. On the second trip it went entirely flat.
I now use a foam pad; it has no moving parts.
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Were you just using the wing part or also screwing down the other part of the valve? I've seen others have issues with the new thermarest valve because they don't realize you need to do both
@@niceguy191 G’day, Nice. I was press fitting the inflation bag. That’s a more difficult job than it should be. Eventually, it would inflate. But it was a 10-15 minute ordeal. And it would deflate during the night. My old, self inflating Therm-A-Rest is 100% easy and reliable. But, about a foot too wide for this tent setup.
My best to you.
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You should review the FLEXTAILGEAR zero pad. It seems like a solid pad for a low price.
I was literally just about to purchase this product and I'm glad you released this review when you did. I know the Thermarest is top of the pile, but can you recommend another cold weather pad that isn't $300? What would be the runner - up?
Nemo, Big Agnes, Sea to Summit and Exped all make good pads that won't blow out your wallet, but the best value is going to come from the Outdoor Vitals Oblivion. These are limited run pads, though, and when they're gone who knows when they'll make more, but they do still have some in stock.
I would suggest testing the "Deckathlon FORCLAZ MT900 Insulated " the 5.4 R vesrion pad an excelent pad for the money. Really impressed with that one for 135 EUR
What would be your recommendation currently for best budget insulated pad? Currently on the hunt for one now
After a couple very cold nights on an insulated klymit static v I am entirely skeptical of manufacturers' stated R values. Klymit claimed R4.4 but ASTM says closer to R1.3
I'll bet One Tigris is just making up a number that sounds phenomenal.
The Klymit pad is a scam for sure and it's a scam that a lot of budget brands use. The One Tigris R Value appears to be legit as they display all the test results in their marketing, name the facility that did it and explicitly state that the R value is the ASTM rated value, except there's no question that the pads selected for testing were specifically built to be the pads that got tested in the first place. The other 75k pads probably have quality control that's all over the place, as per usual with One Tigris products, and for every pad that works great there's three that run from barely adequate to complete junk.
But never fear because in typical One Tigris fashion, in six months they'll release the Obsidian 2.0 or Obsidian upgraded that will work marginally better than the first one.
I have a Vango Aotrom Thermo Platinum sleep mat, it apparently has a R value of 4.2, and I find it very comfy and warm.. Think I paid around £75 when I got it... When I sit on it you can literally feel the heat radiating back...
Try and get one of these Luke to review...
Thank you, Luke, for your agenda FREE channel. I think everyone on this planet, except for some manufacturers, follow & TRUST your recommendations - good & bad.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
Blowing any pad up by mouth is going to interject moisture into the pad. That moisture can have an adverse effect on the warmth of the pad.
This comment should be pinned.
Have you seen the Hillridge trekking pole tent from them? Seems like a nice budget option
Thank you Luke
STRENGTH AND HONOR
I like one tigris products, I wonder why the pad has failed so badly. I wonder if one tigris didn't produce a product test.
I have this air mattress and have not really noticed the cold, but I do agree not the most comfortable for side sleeping
Hey Luke, can you do a review of the Nemo Tensor Extreme? I have one and used it only for 5 nights, I found it to be uncomfortable but I would like to see a video from someone more knowledgable than myself before I give up on it. It's plenty warm but I don't get a good nights sleep on it. HELP ME!
The time lapse of Luke blowing up the pad!😂
Have you tried the Flextail R05 pads yet? They have a claimed 5.6 R value are around $140.
Bummer im looking for something like this, i have a klymit insulated and its only okay and was hoping this was going to be the upgrade
Those pads are scams that have an ASTM rated R value (1.9) less than half the R value they claim (4.4). High R value sleeping pads, and I mean pads that actually have the claimed R value, and that don't have a giant pack size are never cheap, but unless you're camping in the winter an R value in the mid/high 3s is really all you'll ever need if you've got a good base layer and bag. Backing up a cooler running pad with a closed cell foam mat also provides a substantial R value boost, especially if it's a reflective mat.
Hi Luke, thanks for another outstanding video. Will you share the link for the pump you use, please?
I've read a lot of the comments down here, not all, but every one of them from owners that I did read , around eight, says they slept quite comfortable on this pad 🤔
Have you done any reviews on the best camping pillow or could you recommend some?
How do you find the places to go camping? I live in michigan and want to start camping in the woods but I have no idea what to search or look for
National forests, national and state parks, hunting preserves, etc. I believe there's three national forests in Michigan and I'm sure different ones have different requirements but the ones I go to a lot in NC all you need to do is park and go and pitch up wherever you want to as long as it's not specifically marked that you can't camp there, which is usually because you're very close to someone's private property. Only requirement is you can't stay longer than two consecutive weeks. Parks often have designated "camp only here" sites you're supposed to use and those are good when you're just starting out because they're usually clean and level, free of widow makers and drain well, and nobody will have to look too hard to find you if you need help.
There's probably also some backpacking groups in the area you can join.
From all the negatives you've mentioned, it simply cannot handle your weight thus cannot keep you off from the ground. One reason not to include the weight limit for the product.
How do you feel about the sea to summit insulated pad
That was a close one, I almost bought this product yesterday but opted for the Klymit Insulated Static V Lite. I wanted a budget friendly pad to hold me over while I save up for the X Therm!
I have that very sleeping matt. Super comfortable, but if you like to go out in cold weather it will leave you cold. If you like to camp during the fall or winter return it and save up for something better like the X therm
Avoid that one too. Klymit straight up lies about R values.
Check out the big agnes rapide. Best pad I have ever laid on. Thick and squishy and has side rails to help keep you from rolling off.
I do have Klymit static V luxe SL and also Big Agnes Rapide SL. I would not buy Klymit one nowadays, it costs maybe 174 eur and has really low R-value ( around 2 ASTM rated I think ), which I didnt know at the time I was buying that because they claim it is 4-season with high R-value. It is also not as comfortable as Rapide SL so I really would not recommend it, it is not worth the money ( I bought bigger version because classic budget friendly is in my opinion really small, and I am really not a big guy ).
@@Dirtbaghippy The Big Agnes Rapide SL is also not as warm as the R-value claim. Its definitely warmer than the Klymit, but its not comparable to the other 4.5-5 rated pads Ive used. I have used it in spring conditions and found it to be inadequate, where the REI Helix and Thermarest Xlite have been adequate.
However, 'spring conditions' for me mean moderate elevation (5000 - 6500 ft) in in the Cascade Mountains in Washington State. typically 20s (F) and sleeping on moderately deep and icy snowpack. The Rapide is probably adequate in most spring conditions for most people. Its just not as warm as other pads with similar R values. The REI Helix is a better pad in my opinion.
I'm getting a buzz watching you blow that up 😵💫. I almost ordered this based on the first review. A friend I do a lot of backpacking with has two but never mentioned any issues.
Looks like a good pad for warm-slightly cool weather hammock camping
I have an insulated pad, I have a super light uninsulated pad, both for backpacking purposes, but generally I car camp and use an XL cot and giant comfy pad.
Pleaseeeeeee can you do a video on the Paria Recharge XL sleeping pad?
Mine came in the mail with a leak, seems to be from a crease from a fold. One Tigris wants me to "Send them a picture". You can't see it, what good would that do. I'm disappointed as well I didn't even get to try it once.
Pump the thing up and spray it with some soapy water and snap a couple of photos of the air bubbles. Then send them a short 15 or 20 second video of the same thing. That should do it.
So I have this pad (bought it for myself) and not had these issues, I've only slept it down to 32/0 and not had any issues. I'm a side sleeper and prefer it to my thermarest as I don't geg a dead arm. I think your two main issues are basically the same, your body is getting through to the ground and you're losing heat as a result. But it definitely doesn't work for you. If it helps I'm 160lb and 6 foot. Maybe that's significant? Who knows.
I used this pad while in the military service and took it out to many field events both hot and cold, honestly it all comes down to how picky you are, if you are cold well wear more layers , if you are hot then wear less layers. About conform well suck it up you camping it’s not your fancy bed.
I’m a side sleeper.
I’ve been using a twin or Queen air mattress from Academy.
They are not “light weight” but are budget friendly.
I would like a lighter more compact option, but this one won’t be it.
You should review Lighttour R7.5
Do you have review of Ether Light XT?
Ugh that's a bummer. I was really hoping that pad was going to get a good review. Hopefully someone comes out with a budget friendly warm and comfortable pad in the near future.
I have one, but I have not tried expensive others. I weigh 220lbs and find a firm but not over inflated pressure best.
Just buy any old cheap air pad, but supplement it with a surplus German army folding sleep mat. It will handle anything and packs easily.
I'm now into my 4th season using it.
Its possible that the reason for the cons is its size. If you lie on any sleeping pad, the pad will compress until the internal pressure is high enough that it can support your body weight. A wider pad would mean that theres more space on the left and right of you for the air to go to when compressing, meaning you will sink more when lying on a wider pad than a narrower pad. You would counter this by blowing the pad up more. Youd reach a better R value too if you have a proper amount of space.
Nemo Tensor Extreme and Exped Dura 8 have dethroned the Xtherm for warmth.
The Nemo now has the best warmth to weight ratio on the market
What pad would you recommend for under 100...?
If you'd like maximum pad, try the Maxi Pad.
Luke when will we see you both on adventure we love seeing you guys
Try the kilosgear aero cloud. It's been in pop up ads everywhere and claims a R5 for $150.
I used air pads for many years. They have one problem. The seams blow out after a certain amount of use. Some are better then other. Comfort was Exped makes the best and the warmest. Thermorest make the strongest pad. They last. They are also somewhat noisy. I have used other pads. They either didn’t last or they were not that comfortable. With a high R value Exped you can sleep on snow with a decent sleeping bag. The Thermorest he talks about is warm also but not as warm as the 9 R down mat Exped makes. Buy a cooler pad is better in summer.
Them shadez 😎 got more reflection from the frames than the lenses.
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I was lucky enough to get a neo xtherm for basically free when I was sent it by mistake instead of the $40 pad I actually ordered.
I'm jealous
Thanks to the rocket scientists that work at Amazon, no doubt. I got a free $280 tent from them because it had a very minor defect. I ordered a replacement which they promptly sent, but the shipper never picked up the old one for return. Month after month they would threaten to bill me for it and I'd have to get on chat, tell them that nobody has come to get it and schedule a new return that again nobody would ever come to collect, then in a month I'm getting another email threatening to charge me for it. Finally, I got on the phone with them and raised hell about it and asked them why they even wanted it back so bad anyway because they can't sell a defective product and the girl was like "You know what? You're right. Just keep it." So, now I have two of them and one of them is brand new, just has a tiny little defect that has zero impact on it's usability or performance.
I also got two backpacking chairs because the first one appeared to be lost in shipping. Support sent me another one straightaway and they *both* arrived on the same day with the first one never showing as delivered.
Good straight talk
Solid helpful vid!