Yeah Bungie...open up one of the rooms at the Helm and put some target dummies in that shit. Red bar, champ, boss dummies...maybe a small group of red bars for aoe testing or something too.
You mean like a tribute room? Maybe we could burn all our legendary shards for it too. Get a bad juju quest right in the middle. Oh wait...... Well at least we still have stationary pigeons in the enclave.
@@patrickisswayze3446 the enclave targets don't show the same effects of weapons as real targets, for instance they don't build super energy...I tried it.
@@ChuckUFarley- I know. I was making a reference that these things had already existed in d2 during the menagerie and were removed ages ago and we have to just be happy with shooting a clay pigeon now.
I know we're not in rocket launcher damage meta atm but don't sleep on Dragon's Breath. It also does d.o.t. and reloads itself. I'm usually trying to find a way to include it in all my builds.
Take that into the 2nd encounter of vesper on solar with ember of char and ashes. Start the ignitions, hold your fire button down and experience peak dragons breath experience. 2 phase solo on warlock
@@Mr.Weirich Was planning on using Dimensional Hypotrochoid for the 2nd boss in Vesper during my solo flawless attempt. That way I free up my exotic slot but my trusty Dragon's Breath is always by my side.
I struggled to do the Presage on expert within the time limit. I have little to no movement on my hands, but man with that build I did first try. Love to watch your channel and your insight of how your build works.
I'm using this build since your first video in GMs and Raids. It's so fun and strong! Finally a necrotic build without Thorn or Osteo. Congrats, thanks!!!
Dam man I don’t know how I missed this one. You have been the GOAT man. I took 1/2 of last season and pretty much this whole season off. I’m just getting back and you and Chablo91 have been my go to’s! I’ve been running Lost Signal, and Heal Clip/incandescent Luna’s with Anarchy. I don’t have that Pulse with that perk yet, And it does slap! Scorch, poison, and Anarchy. It’s pretty dam cool. I’m going to try Thorn, Heal Clip/Incandescent Aberrant Action, and the Typhon Heavy GL with Demo/Chill Clip to see how that works. Keep em coming man!
I noticed that your edits in this video have improved over your last videos. Like the little ding sound when a pop up appears as well as the little animation that plays for something like showcasing a fragment with its description and image/title. Your narration also continues to be relaxing and informative like I don't normally watch videos which are pretty long but your videos are actually nice to watch. Keep up the good yapping 👍
The nice edits are all my editor. He is amazing! Wish I could edit like him. Sadly he is quite busy so not all my videos can be done by him. But I try to get him to do as many build videos as I can cuz those small details are really nice!
random note about the poison/stasis interaction, i'm fairly certain it's intended as back when beyond light initially launched, in pvp the stasis melee w/necrotic grips would be able to one shot someone, and they never remembered to change it back to what it was initially lol
Nice seeing this, like running DoT in any game and necrotic has always been one of my favorite exotics. I just recently started running the actual extoic over the class item since it didn't really seem to be that much better. This season with the artifact mods has been fun and now with the roaming super changes made it soo much better!
This was pretty much my build when I ran the final shape campaign. I thought the bleak watchers were spreading poison at the time, but maybe not. It is an incredibly strong build. I coupled it with Osteo and BXR with incandescent, it melted everything. The only time I needed help was the very end against the witness.
Great vid. I've been wanting to try this build for a while but wanted to wait for your vid. It would be really nice if you broke down down to use this build effectively. I have played destiny for years but still get in the habit of just shooting things with guns and forgetting that abilities are really the driving force now. Appreciate your content.
I like builds like this, which are very powerful -- but even if they weren't, look like they're a heck of a lot of fun. Engaging, diverse play style. Thanks!
What a great build, ive been using it in onslaught with sunshit lost signal and the vesper GL and it absolutly deletes, i usually get over 1k kills while remaining extreamly durable even at -20 light (i just returned to destiny haha), same on the contest of elders, it can handle all of those enemies like a breeze, ofc i have to be more focused there but its still great, i want to try it out on raids next although something tells me it wont outperform the clasic nova bomb setup there due to the format of the content, regardless just the fun factor is enough to try it
The Exotic bond with Star-Eater and Necrotic carried me hard for solo Puppeteer. Charged Nova Bomb, unravel and poison, Anarchy and Lost Signal, while jumping like a madman shooting with my strusted Heliocentric = 3 supers and almost constant Transcendence for the whole damage phase. I bet this build is better outside of dungeons, since I love me some Song of Flame
I wish poison and blight effects were rolled into their own subclass /energy. It's too late now to hope for another subclass, but it would be very cool to see a full suite of paracausal verbs and abilities that interacts properly with the rest of the systems.
What’s crazy is this is so close to the getaway artist arc build I use. Just switch gloves, turret, and bring in bittersweet. Change out the mod that gives scorch too I guess. But close enough that I’m going to make a save slot to try this out
We used to have something like it called the Tribute Hall with stationary test dummies of various enemies... but Bungie took it out of the game and never talked about it again.
You know I LOVE your vids, trust me family friendly will help GROW your audience. Ever LFG with a 9 year old? They're in here! Cause Mom or Dad are playing with them. My eyes popped on the testing ground - yeah, you definitely made your point. 🤣 Thanks Tiz!
I’ve always loved DoT builds and have stuck with Thorn, but this build looks like a ton of fun. I’m 100% adding this to my loadouts. Thanks for the videos!
Not sure if anyone will see this but does necrotic grips cause song of flame to do more damage than it would if you were using an exotic class item with spirit of necrotic and spirit of star-eater?
I think bungie giving us more and more dot weapons always makes this build useful. Also i know you sad why you wouldnt ran the class exotic but i think if you can pair necrotic and ahmkara you could use stasis melee to freeze poison targets. Witch is also another way for stunning champs
Sir I believe the one weakness of this build not shown in mobalytics is the fact that when adds are not present the build is extremely vulnerable Edit: btw contest of elders is another great way for dmg testing because of the decently high boss health
Given the changes to regular Roaming Supers (which Song of Flame isn't), have you experimented with how the Damage-over-Time parts of this build work with their increased Super Generation?
spirit of necrotic and spirit of synthocepts is better imo. no need for ramping up poison damage if the target is dead with synthos, and still get the trash adds very weak with the spreading poison if they dont die
I checked the Compendium and compared total damage between this exotic combo and just Necrotic's. Total damage on the intial target is nearly the same with the exotic combo doing about 5 percent more total damage. 2 major differences. The combo requires being surrounded (more risky), and tagged enemies from the secondary poison will have 47% less damage done to them compared to necrotics.
This might be an unpopular opinion, I really wish StormTrance and other "hand based" roaming supers (not Winter's Wrath since you have to hold the staff) would be able to utilize their weapons too.
The only way now is to rank up rahool until you can use the final tier of focusing to unlock them. They used to only come from master lost sectors on gloves day, but that is now folded in to rahool instead. Lost sectors just give generic exotic engrams to use as rahool fuel instead.
5:24 You said you got a new PC, but this gameplay is still super choppy at times. Is this footage from before you got the new PC? If not, do you experience these lags in game while you play or is this a recording software issue maybe?
Really fun build once you set it up. The mobolytics link and description are different than what you describe in this video and different from each other though 😢
I don't get why when showing armor mode placement, it was Hunter armor??? No worries though. I went to your Mobalytics page which was a bit more clear.
But seriously thank you for giving an alternative to the anarchy as I didn't realize upgrading raid weapons used spoils for a bit and now I'm nowhere near close.
Is this build good for any activity in group? Like GMs in group and everything else? Seasonal activities for example, or you would use something quicker
@itztizzle what was the total damage difference between necrotic and class item version? Song of Flame is dope you're right, but what about a Star Eater SOF? Just curious if you knew off hand the impact of those 2 perks on a class item.
So I love necrotic but I think getaway artist is better DOT especially when you consider jolting feedback. I've got a build if you want it but I'd much rather see what you cook up. Still use anarchy.
Question: does the necrotic tick damage applied from sorrow weapons like thorn necrotic ticks stack with melee necrotic ticks? Are mutually exclusive or the same?
i think the class item necrotic and synthoceps ramps the damage ,got it yesterday and tried it..pretty sure synthoceps is buffing the necrotic melee..could be wrong but it seemed to be doing more damage.
I second the Thorn recommendation, then a good heavy GL that's good for ad clear and/or boss damage. You'd need to tailor your setup for the champs in the content to be played.
Yeah Bungie...open up one of the rooms at the Helm and put some target dummies in that shit. Red bar, champ, boss dummies...maybe a small group of red bars for aoe testing or something too.
Sad we’ve regressed
You mean like a tribute room? Maybe we could burn all our legendary shards for it too. Get a bad juju quest right in the middle. Oh wait...... Well at least we still have stationary pigeons in the enclave.
@@patrickisswayze3446 the enclave targets don't show the same effects of weapons as real targets, for instance they don't build super energy...I tried it.
@@ChuckUFarley- I know. I was making a reference that these things had already existed in d2 during the menagerie and were removed ages ago and we have to just be happy with shooting a clay pigeon now.
@@patrickisswayze3446 don't forget our bright dust!
Honestly don’t think your channel gets enough credit. Always has some bomb builds!
@@liamallen7733 thank you! Many more builds to come!
I know we're not in rocket launcher damage meta atm but don't sleep on Dragon's Breath. It also does d.o.t. and reloads itself.
I'm usually trying to find a way to include it in all my builds.
I sadly, kill myself with that weapon, once in a while. I am older and forget about the timed explosion. lmao
@mybrutaltruth9359 Lol. I be doing that shi, too.
Take that into the 2nd encounter of vesper on solar with ember of char and ashes. Start the ignitions, hold your fire button down and experience peak dragons breath experience. 2 phase solo on warlock
Also pop a well. Titans use pyro and hunters trip mines idk make ignitions with something
@@Mr.Weirich Was planning on using Dimensional Hypotrochoid for the 2nd boss in Vesper during my solo flawless attempt. That way I free up my exotic slot but my trusty Dragon's Breath is always by my side.
I struggled to do the Presage on expert within the time limit. I have little to no movement on my hands, but man with that build I did first try. Love to watch your channel and your insight of how your build works.
Wow, glad it was able to help! :) great job!
Nice work brother congrats
Best builds on TH-cam. Your content has really helped me in my destiny endeavors. Definitely going to give this one a try.
@@nicholasadams668 thank you! Glad the videos help you!
"Underrated" and "necrotic grip" in the same sentence is wild 😅
I'm using this build since your first video in GMs and Raids. It's so fun and strong! Finally a necrotic build without Thorn or Osteo. Congrats, thanks!!!
Cool that someone made a video about this. I made basically this build a couple weeks ago basing it off of the Miasma skill from Remnant 2.
Subbed because of this video and your logical thinking instead of running after the masses. Nice!
Dam man I don’t know how I missed this one. You have been the GOAT man. I took 1/2 of last season and pretty much this whole season off. I’m just getting back and you and Chablo91 have been my go to’s! I’ve been running Lost Signal, and Heal Clip/incandescent Luna’s with Anarchy. I don’t have that Pulse with that perk yet, And it does slap! Scorch, poison, and Anarchy. It’s pretty dam cool. I’m going to try Thorn, Heal Clip/Incandescent Aberrant Action, and the Typhon Heavy GL with Demo/Chill Clip to see how that works. Keep em coming man!
I noticed that your edits in this video have improved over your last videos. Like the little ding sound when a pop up appears as well as the little animation that plays for something like showcasing a fragment with its description and image/title. Your narration also continues to be relaxing and informative like I don't normally watch videos which are pretty long but your videos are actually nice to watch. Keep up the good yapping 👍
The nice edits are all my editor. He is amazing! Wish I could edit like him. Sadly he is quite busy so not all my videos can be done by him. But I try to get him to do as many build videos as I can cuz those small details are really nice!
random note about the poison/stasis interaction, i'm fairly certain it's intended as back when beyond light initially launched, in pvp the stasis melee w/necrotic grips would be able to one shot someone, and they never remembered to change it back to what it was initially lol
Nice seeing this, like running DoT in any game and necrotic has always been one of my favorite exotics. I just recently started running the actual extoic over the class item since it didn't really seem to be that much better. This season with the artifact mods has been fun and now with the roaming super changes made it soo much better!
Me as you described how to throw out needle melees before super then after:
Yess..yyeessss...YESSSSSSS
@@ThatSoto the little things make a big difference. Always trying to optimize haha
The arc slide aspect is awesome w necrotic. Great ad clear, and if it doesn’t kill them it will over time
4:54 thats been a thing since both stasis and necrotic came out in beyond light, im pretty sure ive reported it like 10 times on bungies forums
That's the reason I haven't used this build in team content this season. Everyone is running stasis and freezing everything so....
@ as a person who never put osteo striga down until they nerfed it into the ground, I HAVE BEEF WITH ALL STASIS MAINS!!!
This was pretty much my build when I ran the final shape campaign. I thought the bleak watchers were spreading poison at the time, but maybe not. It is an incredibly strong build. I coupled it with Osteo and BXR with incandescent, it melted everything. The only time I needed help was the very end against the witness.
This build is nuts! I'm really liking it with a pugilist + Jolting feedback Noxious Vetiver! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the vid. Was toying around with Necrotic's earlier. Some good inspriation here.
This build really does help thank you. It helps a lot.
Just got done watching the GM run and back out to get another video!
Love your setup!Definitely subscribed!
Gotta see what you got for hunter 👍
Great vid. I've been wanting to try this build for a while but wanted to wait for your vid. It would be really nice if you broke down down to use this build effectively. I have played destiny for years but still get in the habit of just shooting things with guns and forgetting that abilities are really the driving force now. Appreciate your content.
Osteo striga is also overload this season and synergizes well with
I like builds like this, which are very powerful -- but even if they weren't, look like they're a heck of a lot of fun. Engaging, diverse play style. Thanks!
I've been using this build since TFS dropped and it's absurdly potent. Last season with overload HC made Thorn such an appealing option for this too
Give us a TESTING GROUND, Bungie! PLEEEEEZE!
Man this build slaps. Any weapon works. Ty gj
Awesome breakdown dude, cheers
What a great build, ive been using it in onslaught with sunshit lost signal and the vesper GL and it absolutly deletes, i usually get over 1k kills while remaining extreamly durable even at -20 light (i just returned to destiny haha), same on the contest of elders, it can handle all of those enemies like a breeze, ofc i have to be more focused there but its still great, i want to try it out on raids next although something tells me it wont outperform the clasic nova bomb setup there due to the format of the content, regardless just the fun factor is enough to try it
The Exotic bond with Star-Eater and Necrotic carried me hard for solo Puppeteer.
Charged Nova Bomb, unravel and poison, Anarchy and Lost Signal, while jumping like a madman shooting with my strusted Heliocentric = 3 supers and almost constant Transcendence for the whole damage phase.
I bet this build is better outside of dungeons, since I love me some Song of Flame
Thanks! I'll try it out on my Warlock
I wish poison and blight effects were rolled into their own subclass /energy. It's too late now to hope for another subclass, but it would be very cool to see a full suite of paracausal verbs and abilities that interacts properly with the rest of the systems.
thats very perceptive to find out about poison cancelled out i didn't know
What’s crazy is this is so close to the getaway artist arc build I use. Just switch gloves, turret, and bring in bittersweet. Change out the mod that gives scorch too I guess. But close enough that I’m going to make a save slot to try this out
4:53, apparently, poisons still work if it's frozen (in real life, not Destiny 2). Just something I looked up
Anyone who has ever played Warframe we know that they have something called the "Simulacrum".... please Bungie give us one of these!!!!
We used to have something like it called the Tribute Hall with stationary test dummies of various enemies... but Bungie took it out of the game and never talked about it again.
I was thinking the exact thing the other day. We definitely need dps dummy
Finally, I can play as an affliction lock in D2
You know I LOVE your vids, trust me family friendly will help GROW your audience. Ever LFG with a 9 year old? They're in here! Cause Mom or Dad are playing with them. My eyes popped on the testing ground - yeah, you definitely made your point. 🤣 Thanks Tiz!
Really cool build. Does the arc aspect also work with poisoning? If so, it might be a cool accelerator of spreading the poison
@@PRIMEVAL543 yes
Ah, that seems neat. Gonna try this out for some of my solo gm runs. :D
What heavy would you pair with Thorn if you were to go that route?
I’ve always loved DoT builds and have stuck with Thorn, but this build looks like a ton of fun. I’m 100% adding this to my loadouts. Thanks for the videos!
Use bad juju with necrotic. Pretty sure the big explosion and necrotic synergize. Then you'll get even more super gains bc u have devour up always.
A wise man once said, let me cook
"people always ask about the class item"... This old man is guilty of this. lol IFrogl says RibbitRibbit Be well young man! great video.
Not sure if anyone will see this but does necrotic grips cause song of flame to do more damage than it would if you were using an exotic class item with spirit of necrotic and spirit of star-eater?
I’ve been running a build like this but with dragons breath since last season , try swapping anacry!
I wish I could use this lmfao I don’t have the expansions though yet but this looks insane
"The first real D.O.T. weapon was Anarchy"
Thorn in the corner: :(
I think bungie giving us more and more dot weapons always makes this build useful.
Also i know you sad why you wouldnt ran the class exotic but i think if you can pair necrotic and ahmkara you could use stasis melee to freeze poison targets. Witch is also another way for stunning champs
Sir I believe the one weakness of this build not shown in mobalytics is the fact that when adds are not present the build is extremely vulnerable
Edit: btw contest of elders is another great way for dmg testing because of the decently high boss health
One of the best builds for warlock
Been running this all season and referring to it as Dot Dan but demon works too
Time to break out the old plague machine again with Osteo Striga I see 😂
The class item can give u this plus another melees but the dot is a bit less than ng dot
Given the changes to regular Roaming Supers (which Song of Flame isn't), have you experimented with how the Damage-over-Time parts of this build work with their increased Super Generation?
same as any other. 3x faster than they used to be. Song of flame still GOATED
You said we need snap and arcance needles? How can we have both?
now we wait for the glaive guide
spirit of necrotic and spirit of synthocepts is better imo.
no need for ramping up poison damage if the target is dead with synthos, and still get the trash adds very weak with the spreading poison if they dont die
I checked the Compendium and compared total damage between this exotic combo and just Necrotic's. Total damage on the intial target is nearly the same with the exotic combo doing about 5 percent more total damage. 2 major differences. The combo requires being surrounded (more risky), and tagged enemies from the secondary poison will have 47% less damage done to them compared to necrotics.
if ur gobna use a nade just for bleak watcher i would just go ahead and slot on healing grenade for the better recharge + better ability modifier
Can confirm this build cooksssss
Wow this build is crazyyy
But why no hands on?
I've got a Necrotic + Claws of Ahamkara exotic class item i got that ill use with this, should be fun
@itzTizzle down vote for desecrating the warlock build with hunter gear icons
This might be an unpopular opinion, I really wish StormTrance and other "hand based" roaming supers (not Winter's Wrath since you have to hold the staff) would be able to utilize their weapons too.
Will you be doing the same for Roaming Supers build?
I still haven't dropped those necrotic grips yet... wonder wonder where to get them
The only way now is to rank up rahool until you can use the final tier of focusing to unlock them. They used to only come from master lost sectors on gloves day, but that is now folded in to rahool instead. Lost sectors just give generic exotic engrams to use as rahool fuel instead.
You forgot to include the other poison dot from lemonarc
DIM & Mobalytics links have wrong fragments (sacrifice instead of balance) and DIM has lightning surge instead of hellion.
Yeah you can run a lot of variants. That's why it's so nice
@@itztizzle Yeah, it just confused me for a second b/c I had no hellion. :-)
I like this dot idea, though im wondering if dawn chorus would be better for scorch dot stacks paired with dragons' breaths plus incandescent weapon ?
#ReturnTheTributeHall
5:24 You said you got a new PC, but this gameplay is still super choppy at times. Is this footage from before you got the new PC? If not, do you experience these lags in game while you play or is this a recording software issue maybe?
@@CantillohhCantillo footage is old
Really fun build once you set it up. The mobolytics link and description are different than what you describe in this video and different from each other though 😢
@@RobRush yeah it’s customizable. Make it the way you want it
@itztizzle just had the easiest clear of contest of elders in my life with this one 😁 very fun!
I don't get why when showing armor mode placement, it was Hunter armor??? No worries though. I went to your Mobalytics page which was a bit more clear.
What are your thoughts on running Thorn to spread poison on weapon kills also
@@_-Tom-_ it’s good when hand cannon is on the artifact. I’ve used it a lot
What about spirit of theocratic with spirit of synths? Will that ramp up the damage?
Alternative for anarchy?
user your imagination?? I have none. that's why your videos are so important to me :)
Why not use osteo or thorn, is it because you can’t proc devour as easily?
He's already got the exotic anarchy equipped on heavy slot for that heavy DOT
This build is also strong if you play with weapons of sorrow
11:53 for those looking for the F bomb
But seriously thank you for giving an alternative to the anarchy as I didn't realize upgrading raid weapons used spoils for a bit and now I'm nowhere near close.
Is this build good for any activity in group? Like GMs in group and everything else? Seasonal activities for example, or you would use something quicker
it's amazing for everything. Very strong
@itztizzle thanks for answering ❤️
Does this build work for the solo dungeon? I have been wanting to solo a dungeon, so just asking
Could you do a total damage comparison of a melee with the actual exotic vs. The class item?
@@Tommy_Two_Hoons I have a video breaking down all the spirit exotics for the class items
@itztizzle what was the total damage difference between necrotic and class item version? Song of Flame is dope you're right, but what about a Star Eater SOF? Just curious if you knew off hand the impact of those 2 perks on a class item.
@@Tommy_Two_Hoons if im not wrong the class item stays at about 1k per tick
while the exotic builds up to about 4k per tick
@@ignatoseg4664 ok gotcha, thats the ballpark I was curious about if anyone knew off the top. Thanks!
Feel like vortex dot fits the build better thematically at least
Super strong build
So I love necrotic but I think getaway artist is better DOT especially when you consider jolting feedback. I've got a build if you want it but I'd much rather see what you cook up. Still use anarchy.
Im using storm granade on this build to spread unravelling
Question: does the necrotic tick damage applied from sorrow weapons like thorn necrotic ticks stack with melee necrotic ticks? Are mutually exclusive or the same?
Also would be nice if bungie made a legendary sorrow weapon like a thorn lite or mini striga
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i think the class item necrotic and synthoceps ramps the damage ,got it yesterday and tried it..pretty sure synthoceps is buffing the necrotic melee..could be wrong but it seemed to be doing more damage.
yeah buffs melee but poison doesn't ramp up
@@itztizzle dully noted..so much going on hard to tell
I don’t have anarchy, anything else I could swap around?
Although not quite the same, I love using Dragon’s Breath for damage over time!
Maybe witherhoard. Not quite the same total damage, but still DOT
Thorn or Osteo Striga would work wonders too
I second the Thorn recommendation, then a good heavy GL that's good for ad clear and/or boss damage. You'd need to tailor your setup for the champs in the content to be played.
If you dont have Anarchy what withs be another good weapon to use for this build?????
Prolly Dragons breath
Dragon's Breath, just be careful not to let yourself get blown up by the final Ignition trigger.
My buddy hates concecrattion trust me I do too 😂😂
I’ve been seeing this build a lot and I just got a spirit of necrotic class item but I don’t have anarchy, are there any alternatives I can use?
@Jonny_Nemo gotcha thanks
Believe me, use Winterbite, it's absolutely busted with the freeze and poisoning!
@@TheSilviu8x don't have lightfall but thanks, Im thinking of getting it
@@andrewpaikos7914 Bungie has a huge sale coming up, starting this Tuesday at reset.
What is the easiest way to get anarchy end of 2024?
@ do spoils come from doing raid encounters?
@@gstewarttyes
11:47 this
I gotta support any build that let's me re-live my Locust Swarm Witch Doctor days from Diablo 3.
Stasis removes all your dots...