Re grips. I maintain that people are holding/carrying their cameras incorrectly. Use a strap for general carrying around and your left hand to cup the lens when shooting. Don't know why shooting one handed became "a thing".
@@davidcrighton3431 Yeah I do generally hold the camera that way but with any method the body is slim and long to operate. I enjoy using the camera but very different
I have come up with THE REASON why holding a camera with one hand is so Popular!!!!!! People while watching INFLUENCERS while shooting seems to LOOK COOL (or being different)!!!! The reason why IS, the influencer is vlogging with the other hand!!!!!
Absolutely this, I shot with film cameras the same way that my parents had I don't get this whole lazy one handed shooting it means you usually have to crop and straighten a lot in post which sucks. I absolutely adore the ZF and even shot some motorsports with it recently and it performed fantastically. The faster processor paired with the smaller MP sensor makes the auto focus and tracking a dream.
I don't recall hearing anyone complain about the 'grips' on the Nikon F, F2, F3, FE, FM, FE2, FM2, FM3a, etc...? The Zf is designed to be 'retro', and natively has more of a 'grip' than any of the aforementioned bodies. I don't think Nikon intended the Zf to be paired with ginormous teles and 1.2 monstrosities, that's the domain of the larger, heavier pro bodies like the Z8/Z9, both of which are too large and heavy for my casual use. The Zf paired with a small fast prime is a delight.
I love the pace of your reviews. No sensationalism, crazy thumbnails, or shouting. They have a therapeutic effect on me. I agree about the ergonomics issues (I often knock or press all kinds of buttons or dials accidentally) but this is a trade off I am willing to make. I would have also mentioned the very good, 10 bit 4:2:0 video (also taking benefit from the amazing stabilization) and the lovely pictures the sensor Nikon has implemented makes. It has the loveliest colors and amazing dynamic range! Autofocus is 95% on par with the Z8, Z9 and Z6 III. When I get tired of the very computer and digital-like feeling I get from taking photos with the Z9 due to the lack of mechanical shutter I love going back to the Zf for a more grounding, analogue sensation. We live in the best era when it comes to digital cameras! I wish to anyone to have the means to own these amazing tools.
@@PavelGramatikov Thanks, I do aim to make videos that are entertaining and not in your face. I agree with your view but there was too many good things to mention as this was an over a time review more than a specs review we did a year ago. 😊
I’ve been shooting Nikon’s since 1979 and absolutely love the the Zf reminds me of the FM & FE and even F3 days of my professional career I always shoot manual exposure not never one handed so never felt holding the Zf to be a problem at all. The Zf even feels great with f2.8 lenses of the Nikon Z trinity. I put it right up there with the classic Nikon’s from the past. Couldn’t be more happy with mine vintage and future in perfect harmony
I upgraded to the Zf from the original Z6 and immediately worried about the lack of a large grip, but the addition of the manual controls was more than enough to convince me to stay with the Zf for a while. I used the SmallRig and Neewer grips on the Zf. I prefer the look of the Neewer, but the SmallRig felt better in the hand. After a while, I got tired of the extra weight and size of the grip, so I removed it, and to my surprise, I did not miss it at all. I attribute this to a few things: 1) I do not tend to hold the camera by the grip for hours on end. I use a neck strap or wrist strap, and the addition of these gives me the confidence to hold the camera a little looser without worrying about dropping the camera. 2) I have always shot with two hands except with small point and shoots. Even with smaller lenses on my Zf, my natural inclination is to shoot with both hands. Perhaps this is because I am old and used to having to change the aperture ring and manually focus, but either way, it seems natural. Doing this, I don't really miss the extra grip. 3) In retrospect, I think that my reaction to the grip can mostly be attributed to how different it felt from the tacky Z6 grip rather than the actual need for a larger grip in most situations. That said, I plan on keeping both of the extra grips, and I might use them if I plan to carry the Zf around with a really long zoom just for the extra stability.
100% agree … use a two handed grip or use the camera on a tripod. The original Nikon FM (on which the ZF is modelled) has no grip. I shot film with that for years - never thought “this camera needs a better grip”. However, as you say the left hand had two jobs to do one to support the lens the other (more important function) to operate the aperture ring.
I also have the Zf for almost a year now. I am also using it together with the Z8. I first started with the Smallrig grip and then bought a Neewer grip. When the latest Neewer grip with thumbrest came available I switched again. That latest Neewer grip with thumbrest makes the difference. I shot a wedding a few weeks ago with that combination and had no problems at all.
I was thinking there must be bigger grips now for the ZF, but couldn't see any much different from the Smallrig, though it would probably look a but odd if it was z6 size?
@@RussandLoz It's not the size on the front that makes the difference, but the thumbrest. Without it you have to use force to prevent the camera from slipping out of your hand. With the thumbrest you can loosely hold the camera, even with bigger lenses.
@@JanKats1963 why not hold your camera by the lens? Had no problems with that. Even with Lumix G6 and G2 it prevents me from accidentally hitting any buttons, which happens quite easily with those small cameras.
I use lenses with aperture rings for the ZF (Voigtländer 40mm 1.2 and 75mm 1.5 Z) or I assign the aperture control to the ring when using the 50mm 1.8 Z or the 105 2.8 Z
I have come up with THE REASON why holding a camera with one hand is so Popular!!!!!! People while watching INFLUENCERS while shooting seems to LOOK COOL (or being different)!!!! The REASON why IS, the influencer is vlogging with the other hand (and is wishing he/she could be using 2 hands)!!!!!
I've bought a Nikon Zf recently in indigo blue leather skin and i am very satisfied with it. It's exactly what i wanted (and tried with FUJI long ago but build quality and ergonomics was not for me). I want to buy some Voigtländer primes for it. This camera is great for smaller primes. I also have some Nikkor F-Mount stuff. The 50 mm f/1.8 with the FTZ II is already a nice combination.
I just upgraded to the Z6III and I‘m actually quite surprised how much the grip improved (at least for me). I can comfortably hold it without my pinky slipping off the bottom. With my Z6II I had a smallrig l-bracket permanently attached to make the grip just that little bit longer (though you can actually also grab it from a slightly upwards angle to prevent that). That‘s actually pretty cool because I can now get a slimmer bracket which will hopefully make the whole setup a bit lighter. Because that smallrig bracket is pretty heavy
I had a Smallrig grip on mine for exactly one day and returned it immediately, it did not help the ergonomics at all, it simply added a 100 extra grams, but handling was pretty much the same as without it. Prefer it much like this even with my chunky Voigt 58/1.4 with ftz2 on top of that. For carrying around I have a wrist wrap, exactly as I did when I had my D700, so no major change for me in terms of handling, shooting, carrying. I did not shoot with one hand before, not shooting now either, I am not able to compose my shot looking at the display, I need to see the frame in evf, so I hold the camera always with both hands, maybe it’s just me, but…
First of all It's not about the size of the grip it's how you use it. 😉 I've had the Zf for awhile and it's a great camera, but when I do a job I'll get my Z6iii every time. I see the Zf as a more leisurely camera (enjoy the trip) and a more than capable backup. I would caution comparing the Zf with a Z8 way different sport. If I was in your position I'd keep the Zf and Z8 drop the Z6ii and get a Z6iii. that would be a great lineup.
Interesting video - I have the Z8, Zf and Z6III, and I feel they all have somewhat different use cases. I shoot professionally and also for fun. First, many of the issues you have with the Zf I think are with respect to using it in a professional environment, which is something that it is clearly not designed for. For example, the B&W switch which you mentioned can be switched the wrong way and take up a few extra seconds - this is largely irrelevant for non-professional usage. I personally love this feature for walking around and would not want it to be removed. As far as ergonomics - the reason why old film cameras did not have a deep grip is because all lenses at that time were manual focus, which means you would (by necessity) be using your left had to hold the lens in order to focus so much of the weight was supported by your left hand thus nullifying the need for a deep grip. Also, camera batteries back then were small pill sized batteries that could be put on the bottom of the camera - today the deep grip doubles for better ergonomics with AF lenses and also as a space to put in a big battery. The reason that the IBIS does not lock like it does on other Nikon cameras is that they literally do not have enough room in the Zf frame for the locking mechanism in addition to the shutter and IBIS mechanism. That said, Nikon has stated that it is well damped even though it moves around and will not break as a result of normal impact. it should be noted that most other brands do not have locking IBIS mechanisms or didn't until very recently. So, and I think you get this - I am mostly elaborating for your viewers, the Zf is a great camera if you are looking to shoot casually - for walk around photography - certainly for manual focus photography which it excels at utilizing subject recognition for manual focus lenses - and when using manual focus lenses the ergonomics are not an issue, and as you point out, the ergonomics with the optional grip (which is very inexpensive) are good enough for most walk around lenses. I actually have used lenses as large as the 24-120 f/4 S lens fairly comfortably with the grip, but much bigger than that is a problem. That said, pretty much all the 1.8 S line lenses work wonderfully on the Zf with the grip with the exception of the Plena which is a little heavy for this camera (but doable). The Z8 is my first choice for any professional or studio shoot. It is simply a masterpiece of ergonomics, build, and features - literally second to none as a FF hybrid camera across any brand (I am including the Z9 mentally here - just depends if you want a built in grip or not). Even much newer cameras like the Canon R5II do not outshine the Z8/9. The R5II has a slower electronic shutter and some questionable dynamic range. By all rights, the R5II is an excellent camera - don't get me wrong - it just doesn't obsolete the Z8/9 in any particular area, and in many it is still inferior. The Z6III is literally the 'poor man's' Z8 - I don't mean this disparagingly - just that it is about $1,000-$1500 cheaper than the Z8 and it can do much of what the Z8 can but certainly not all. It has a fast electronic sensor but somewhat slower than the Z8. Unfortunately, the Z6III partially stacked sensor takes a DR hit, and the DR of this camera is the worst of the three considered here (Zf, Z6III, Z8/9). In this one way, the Zf is actually better than the Z6III. Of course this will only be a problem in more extreme shooting situations but it is noteworthy. Although I have used the Z6III the least of the three, I feel that it has the worst IQ of the three - probably due to this DR hit. That said, the IQ is still very good and this is not a real limitation. Where the Z6III really shines is as a more inexpensive alternative as a back-up/second camera to the Z8/9 - especially for professional use. It is certainly good enough to be the companion camera and its ergonomics are also good for the larger lenses that one might use professionally. Once again, as you have pointed out in the video - use case is everything. Myself, I have a use case for each of them and really do love them all. I would say that the Z6III is my least favorite of the three because in effect the Z8 is better in every way - but of course you pay for that. Thanks for the video! -PD
Wow, thanks for your detailed response offering some great answers to my questions. Interesting what you say about the z6iii being your least favourite. In the Uk the z8 is only 20% more in price but I would prefer it as a second body. I think I confused people, I don't take photos with one hand, but carry it with one hand, which can be a strain with the zf, but really its not too bad.
@@RussandLoz Yes - that makes sense. There is no question that it is less ergonomic, but of course that's what we signed up for with the retro thing 😂. I would also prefer another Z8 to a Z6III in retrospect, but I think for those that are really scraping the Z6III is a great option and it will be more than 20% cheaper soon when it gets discounted - the Z8 is at discount prices and the Z6III is still at full retail, but yes two Z8's is ideal for any pro endeavor. That said, Z8 with Z6III can get you by.
@@RussandLoz Not sure - depends on the person - for me no - they are still small enough to clip into a Peak Design belt clip - but yeah Z6III is a little smaller - for some this is probably a consideration.
I've had a Zf since Jan 2024 really like it apart from its weightier than you'd think. I'm using it as a full frame upgrade to a X-T3 which it does well with much better auto focus and it has stabilisation. I also wanted it for using with vintage lenses which again it looks the part and has that neat manual focus trick. I have the Smallrig grip which I've used the most and now the newer Neewer with the thumb grip. Tbh they both have pros and cons - I maybe prefer the stickier rubber of the Smallrig. With the 40mm or the 28mm I've started to not bother with the grip and have no issues. With the 24-120mm I do use one. As I use a wrist strap depending on lens size I will hold the lens base if required. Any of those combos fit in a 3L Peak Design sling so I can minimise the hand holding part anyway. Overall I've found it a very capable enjoyable camera to use. I'm not sure I'd get a Zf and a Z6, even the Z6iii, but it would compliment a Z7,8 or 9 I think.
I have had the zf for about 6 months now and still like it. however, im hobbyist photographer and i can see the obvious need for a professional to have a z8 or z9. But for a hobbyist like me it has everything i need and more. Also personally i like the flippy screen( funny name to call it). I just adjust and get us to it, it personally doesn't bother me that it is off to the side. I have found it way more versatile than older screen stuck to the back of the camera. I used for video for the first time this week and being able to see yourself is huge. Also, the leather backside is really nice, especially when shooting in hot weather and using the viewfinder i dont get sweat on the screen. (My last camera screen broke because of really small drop, so like ti keep it closed for safety too)I love look, it has character, and customization thats nice, everytime i see it looks like it wants to be used. Im a little younger and never used the cameras it is based on. I like bw switch, when I want the photos to have more of classic feel or the because if the weather conditions bw photos look better. Being able to quickly change is great. Weakness is the grip, i have big hands, i wish there were larger grips. Autofocus is great, but it certainly has its frustrating moments, but better than the z6 i was using. One off the funny things about the camera is i also forget to turn it off when i put it it my bag and i came back use it and the battery is dead. Sorry for long post, but love the channel and video.
Am I just unskilled? EC dial use crippled except with full Auto; can't get ISO to 'stay put' and be able to use EC dial. Even in Manual setting, Or A. It seems to occur even with exposure bracket, auto ISO turned OFF. I can use ISO adjust with lenses that have the 'settings' ring, and I set front button on front to be ISO. But camera changes ISO when I shoot, anyway, no matter. Thus, I have lots of issues with ergonomics of Zf, but that is not my primary issue with Zf. I want a joystick on a body! Using still D810, 2 DX bodies, and a variety of lenses for both. I had SONY A6000/ a6300 and Ricoh GRii. The Zf us my first Nikon mirrorless.
I've had the ZF for a couple months now, properly supporting the camera with both hands when using it I've never had problems with fatigue using the smallrig and 40mm and that's with using a wrist strap as well. The only time I use a neck strap is when using using a larger lens or if I know I might need to use my hands a bit more. The look and feel of the ZF makes me want to use it more, and works better for me as an everyday camera so I bought it over the Z6 III, eventually I'll get a Z8 for the better ergonomics, etc but will likely still use my ZF for an everyday walk around camera.
If you had been taking photos in the 80s, you would have known about the grip. I had an Olympus OM-2sp back then. This camera is smaller and was even harder to use with large hands.
I found the thumb grip that goes in the flash really helps to hold it better. Like you, the grip is what i dislike the most about the zf. I'll probably sale it since i bought a z6iii and don't need both.
Very helpful review; the form of this camera, meaning its grip, is the one weakness of this camera but it is easily sorted out with an accessory grip. As to autofocus and general ease of use, it is a great camera. I have used it for street photography for candid, quick shots and it has a great hit rate for focussing properly. The Zf is a joy to use.
The latest grip from neewer has a thumb support on the back and I can say it’s a game changer as far as hold the camera . Went out yesterday with the new grip And I was holding the cam by 2 fingers and my thumb very loose and it was great . I had the smallrig and no thumb support makes the deathgrip
I bought a Zf about a year ago as well. Love the camera in many ways and the lack of a grip did not bother me at first, but after a few months I developed tennis elbow from using it. Never happened before, I think it was the combo of the flip screen and the lack of grip and possibly the fairly heavy 24-70mm lens (trying to shoot closer to the ground so one handed). It also feels very sturdy but I dropped it on grass and the battery cover popped out plus it also gave me error messages when shooting in very hot weather, so it may not be as rugged as it seems. On the plus side, I do love the classic layout. To me it's not about nostalgia but about being able to control settings without having to go through menus or multiple button presses. It is much faster and more intuitive-I mostly use lenses with aperture rings too, either Nikkor AF-Ds or Voigtlanders.
I had both the Z8 and Z6, and when I was about to resell my Z6, I initially wanted to get the Zf with the 24-70mm f/2.8 (since I'm a prime lens user: 50mm f/1.2, 85mm f/1.2, 135mm f/1.8). But when I arrived at the store, the Z6iii had just been released. Although I love the design of the Zf, it reminds me of my F3HP I still decided to go with the Z6iii + 35mm f/1.4, and I think that's what you're going to do too . I use the Z6iii in electronic mode, and the mechanical mode with that smooth, blackout-free viewfinder feels nothing like older models. It almost feels like holding a reflex camera, it's so smooth. I also have the Canon EOS R5 Mark II, so I've been able to compare the Z6iii, Z8, and R5 II, and the Z6iii really impresses me!
@@RussandLoz Sorry, I don't often speak or write in English. I still have my Z8, which I love, and it's my favorite. Obviously, at this price range, the R5ii is amazing, and I plan to keep it as well. I didn't mean to say that the Z6iii is better than the others, but that compared to the Zf, the Z6iii is a better option today. The grip of the Z6iii is larger than that of the original Z6. I would say it's between the size of the Z6 and the Z8, providing a very good handhold. The viewfinder is stunning, though with glasses (which I wear), you lose a bit in the corners since it's rectangular. But I must admit that the color accuracy, brightness, and smoothness are a huge improvement over the old Z6. Compared to the Z8, it’s brighter-just to give you an idea, you need to set the Z8’s viewfinder to +3 or 4 to get the same brightness as the Z6iii. As for colors, the Z6iii is more flattering, but the Z8's viewfinder is already very good. Personally, the extra available pixels don't make much of a difference for me; it’s cleaner, but during a photo session, you don't really notice it. The burst mode on the Z6iii is completely different-no blackout, and it feels like using a DSLR with no lag or stutter. As I said, there’s no blackout. In electronic mode, it performs well. We agree that there can be some rolling shutter issues with very fast movements, but for weddings, there's no problem, and you'll feel right at home with the Z8. However, it's true that it lacks some of the Z8's features, like the ability to configure the camera the same way. For example, the command recall feature isn't available on the Z6iii, and I use it a lot, but it's not a big deal-I’ve adapted. In terms of handling, I prefer the grip of the Z6iii over the Z8’s, which I find too large. You're taller than me and probably have bigger hands, so it might be better for you. As for autofocus, to me, it's like the Z8. Yes, there might be differences, but they are minimal and likely only in specific conditions. I would have preferred if they made a Mini Z8-a Z8 the size of the Z6iii-but it's hard to justify the price, so…
I tried out the Z f through an NPS loan, but it just wasn’t a good fit for me. I found myself accidentally bumping the dials, so I ended up setting the camera to rely on the command dials instead. The ergonomics also didn’t feel right with most lenses, except for the 40mm f/2. This was actually the first camera I’ve ever sent back to NPS before the loan period ended, which surprised me because I had high hopes for the Z f. I imagined myself using it with the back screen closed, relying solely on the EVF, and enjoying its FM2-style design.
@@MichaelSeneschal It is very fussy and too much going on really. Maybe it could have simplified but then it wouldnt be as capable. A difficult design decision
I have the ZF and Z8, use the ZF with the 28 and 40mm lenses, love them both use Z8 for wildlife and landscape and ZF for walk about camera, going to Croatia in September and plan to take the ZF with the 24-120 and either the 20, 40 or 50mm can’t make my mind up.
Agree about the Z6 grip. Great camera to handle. I was raised on film camera bodies with no grip. One day I saw a Canon film body with a grip and thought woohoo! Great thinking Canon! Then I saw a camera whose dials were replaced by menu dives and scroll wheels and I thought it was a step backwards. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Its just good design vs bad design no matter the age. But even this is in the eye of the beholder for many prefer to do away with dials. But the reason some of us prefer dials is not nostalgia but for handling. I think Fuji do it right and Nikon is hamstrung due to its gelded lenses We may well use two hands to take a photo but in between we carry it in one hand - much easier with a grip. I think if the Z6iii had the ZF dials we would have it right as far as Nikon can take it As for the Smallrig grip, would it kill them to make it the same shape as the Z6 grip?
I really wanted to wait for the z6 III, but tax year wouldn't allow for it. That said, I've come to really appreciate the dials which are fantastic when shooting video. It also makes me want to go out and take photos, which is a good thing. I do mainly use prime lenses but I really, really wish they had built it with a proper grip.
The same way professional photographers used Nikon F3, F4, or F5, to do their job, and common photographers were completely fulfilled with the Nikon FM or FM2 or FM3 capabilities, I feel we can look at nowadays Nikon range the same way, and say that the Zf is not to those who pretend or need long telephoto lenses and do hard photography work. To me, a regular guy who likes a lot photo gear and using it, taking as many photos as time allows, the Zf is a dream come true, from the time I wished someone made a camera back to use on my F3 or F4, to allow me to use them everyday. Either with the humble but yet most competent kit lenses, taking profit of the AF and auto-iso wonders or, with vintage manual lenses, taking profit of one of the best current manual focus systems, rotating the ISO knob to the desired one, selecting the speed, or maybe just the aperture, on a true classic photography style it's a real and unique pleasure. And that, is the true soul of the Zf (and Zfc). On the handling department, the small add on Nikon grip is a must. Most of the time I use the Zf with Leica R lenses and, oh! boy, just amazing feelings
@russandloz From my analogue lenses assortment, the ones that better match the Zf 80's look are the Leica R and the Canon FD. On Nikon glass just until the D series because the G and following lenses look too modern. I use the Shoten adapters. They are very well built, and they better match the vintage look of the Zf. Then, the Leica R lenses give better feelings, and every focus or aperture setting movement feels quality. They are very nice looking, big front glass, beautiful number graphics. And, finally and most importantly, they make crystal clear images with excellent contrast and sharpness. The Canon FD lenses also make excellent images, but there's a "Je ne sais quoi" on all the Leica R lenses experience that make them my usual choice for a photo raid. Someday, I must get a Minolta/Sony A-mount to Nikon Z adapter to try my Minolta AF lenses. They have a lot of character making beautiful warm images. Till your next video. Best regards
I lasted a week with my ZF. Even trying two grips plus a thumb rest that went in the flash hot shoe. And the funky (not simple and straightforward) way to change settings, nutso! Thankfully the store took it back. So I’m back reconsidering which way to go for a FF camera. Will keep my Z50 for light travel option.
@@craigcarlson4022 I can understand that, I think it’s guilty of trying to be too much. But then I guess people wouldn’t be happy if it didn’t have modern features
Did camera companies design grips bigger for us or just because they needed to put bigger batteries into digital cameras - and then we benefitted? Unfortunately it seems it’s by accident after a battery was needed. Either way, it keeps evolving, which is great!
I shot with an FE & FE2 back in the day and I loved shooting them (mind you though, I only had small primes, 35, 50, & 85mm mounted.) Having said that, I shoot D3s & D3x currently LOL.
The Zf has surprised me. I progressed through many Nikon digital SLRs starting with a D100 over 20 years ago. I waited quite a while to upgrade my many years old D750 for a Z6 ii just in the days prior to the Zf release. I should have returned it and picked up a Zf. Far and away, the focus speed and focus modes and options are substantially improved. Yes the ergonomics aren’t perfect. But so much of the camera very nice. In the end, I decided to have some fun, save a little money, and chose the Zf over a Z6iii. Getting me to upgrade would likely require adding the Z8/Z9 style screen to a Zf type body and using faster memory card tech. Loading a few thousand images at a time from SD vs CFexpress is a noticeable difference.
I'm curious about the d780, which is a hybrid z6/750. Also f mount lenses fit and handle better on dslr, the ftz makes it awkward and heavy in my opinion
@@RussandLoz I found the limited DSLR autofocus coverage frustrating. As I’ve aged and my eyesight has deteriorated, I’m much more dependent on autofocus magic. The biggest advantage of the DSLR is incredible battery life. I’d literally forget how long it had been since charging the D750 battery. On the Z6ii, Z50, and Zf it always feels risky to be without an extra battery.
i am a z8/9 stills only shooter. had the zf as a loaner and shot it on 2 weddings next to the other two cameras - ergonomics of 8/9 are clearly winning here but I want the zf anyway. more as a personal edc camera to replace my zfc. in that scenario I sometimes bring the 8 just because I need or want full frame but would be fine with less resolution and a slightly smaller body and less intimidating. for me the zf has something to it that cannot be described rationally (btw. I hate the flippy screen)
I have real sympathy for designers of retro products because we’ve forgotten all the bad stuff that was there and only remember the stuff we liked. Remember the lack of power steering on your first car … of course you dont, but you still needed arnie’s biceps to steer the darned thing! The camera grip for example … Modern cameras tend to have good sized ones so you don’t need rock climber’s hands. If you use retro gear the way it was way back when noah was in short trousers its great, enjoy the modern twist on a classic, but don’t hope to stick a 500f4 on the front and expect to hold the camera in one hand. I’ll buy retro once i can afford to buy it after i already have what i need. So in this example Russ, z6iii … function first
great review and really enjoy the style. I tried the Zf alongside my FM in Grays and identified that the big ergonomic difference (for me) was that I use the film advance lever on the FM (and other file SLRs) to brace the camera. Makes a massive difference and of course missing on Zf. So for me, with quite big hands, z8 and particularly z9 are the way to go with heavier lenses. Love the way it looks but prefer the FM and OMs!
I have the ZF, the Z8, and the Z6ii. The performance of my ZF is closer to my Z8 and I wanted my ZF to walk around with. Because I get compliments on my ZF as well. I think I might use my Z6ii to walk around with as it looks less valuable! 😅
my camera of choice is the Nikon DF the image quality is incredible and I have been through many cameras, the images look like color slide film to me. I still enjoy the z8.
How do you find the autofocus on the DF? Someone I know is selling one and I'm so tempted. I already have a D780 and my original plan was to keep that forever for F mount lenses and wait a few years until used Zf prices come down. Another option is to forget about that and get a DF now, just because I want one.
I currently use a handful of FM2Ns, FMs and a couple of EL2s; I went with the Z5 just to test lenses and find it to be a great little camera that never gets in the way. Maybe I’ll buy the Zf (someday), but it doesn’t set off any nostalgia in me. This video is excellent - it gets past the nostalgic needs of the buyer and addresses the actual merits of the camera. And for that, the Zf has a ton of good qualities at a good price point. However, my Z5 might be good enough for me while I take care of my film cameras.
I love mine. I am currently using mine with the pancake 26mm. I felt like the 40mm SE and 28mm SE were more consumer/plastic built than the ZF. They're built more like the ZF C. But the Nikon Z 26mm F2.8 is small but built like a tank with metal mount and rubber gasket, etc... I wish Nikon had more small primes with metal mounts/rubber gaskets, etc..
I owned two Fuji cameras in the past mainly because they are beautiful machines. The Zf and Zfc cameras are also very beautiful. But the ergonomics of these cameras is not for me. As you say, they are very hard to handle. I very much prefer the Z6 and Z50 ergonomics. Although I already had a D850 and a Z6II, I bought a Z50 several years ago. It took me by surprise but I really like the Z50. It is a small but very capable camera but the most important thing about the Z50: it is a fun camera! And I don't get what many people have against DX type sensors. IQ coming out of that camera is very impressive.
I have a Z8 and a Z30 . I love both of them and yes I do use the z30 for stills. I would love another body but totally don’t need one. 😂 I’m pretty sure if I was allowed to test a few of the mid range bodies, I would go for the ZF. However I’m going to wait until it’s cheaper or until Nikon make a Zr . A full frame range finder street photography Z
I use my Sony cameras for all my serious professional shoots. I use the Nikon Zf for fun stuff with the kids and family. But I do enjoy shooting with the Zf more every time I get a chance to shoot with it.
@@RussandLoz I currently have three lenses for the Zf, the Nikon 35mm f/1.8 S, and Voigtlander 35mm and 50mm manual focus for Z Mount. Quite a joy to use!
@@TracyClark The metering does seem a bit off if there is a highlight in the scene. As does the colours compared to the z8. Not sure that’s going on there
PS. The Z8 is heavy lunk. Since I got the Zf in FEB, I've spent enough on it, asa Z8 body, FTZii and a modest Z lens. But no. For walk around city/ travel use I could not go for it.
I've had mine for a while and my conclusion is that Nikon's lens lineup seriously lets it down. The 40/2.0 is nice until you grab a 40 year old 50 summicron and realize that even at 24mp the two or three lenses that Nikon offers that actually suit the Zf are not as good as 2 or 3 decade old designs. Unfortunately for me as a retro camera it's a miss. Once there's a new generation of high MP Nikons I'll likely ditch it since I still like the Z system for macro. Good review though.
I had two Zf's but sold one with cash to get a lens for a trade. I have so many cameras that I have a hard time to choose which camera to use. Love them all. Cheers!
I picked up my ZF (with Small Rig grip) last November and have used it predominantly for Landscapes and Street. I wasn't comfortable with the grip so sent across to Asia where I managed to get a genuine Nikon GR1 metal grip with thumb grip, a MAJOR improvement in MHO. I have taken some of my best photos with this Camera...the only downside is the increased weight when compared to the Z6iii which is a consideration to bear in mind going forward.
I'm glad Nikon went the way with minimal grip. The 40mm is practically glued on my ZF. When I need the 24-200, I'll use the grip. I don't get what the fuss is all about.
It’s sort of all covered with the optional grips. If pure ergonomics is the highest priority the Zf is really not the camera for that person. They make the Z6iii, Z8, Z6/7/5 for that.
In time 6:02m of the video, you show us a screen with the " i " menu at the Botton and some settings appear in the upper side ( M, 1/800, F__, 64000, [ 618] ), but in fact this part ( the upper half of the screen with data) never appeared in my menu. How did you get this? I'm working with this camera for a year too and never see this!! Thank you!
Thanks for your long term review. You've mentioned lots of little things that are worth considering. Personally, I think the Z6 III, while more expensive, is a much better design ergonomically, and a better size. Reviews like yours have edged me away from getting the Zf, and waiting for the Z6 III. Ta. BTW, what does Loz think, 🙂?
@@gbye007 Every camera has its issues. Such as the z6iii having a battery door issue not opening properly. Loz said it was too fussy and too much going on, I did say that during this video as he’s on holiday
Thanks for asking! I’m away at the moment but the ergonomics and different control layout puts me off. I also don’t have any hankering after nostalgia or retro design. I have never particularly bothered what a camera looks like, it’s how comfortable it is to hold and use and if I have more than one camera from the same manufacturer I thinks it’s important that the layout is similar.
I just do not understand the grip complaints on this camera. Why do people buy this if they want a huge grip and to hold a camera by the grip only. Theres the entire lineup of Z cameras that have that. It’s like people are complaining because they wanted a cheaper Z6iii or a Z5ii from the Zf.
@@kalimarus I think people have misunderstood. I take photos with one hand. I only use it with one hand while carrying it. But like I said I got this as there wasn’t a z6iii out and my z8 was being fixed.
yep, I also don't understand how anyone would take still using one hand, might as well just use a smartphone. To me it's just an instinct to put my left hand under the lens, no matter the size of lens. It's just the way I've always done it, and it makes sense.
It is a very powerful camera which much improves from the previous generations. If you are ok with the grip this camera is the best in its class. A real bargain really! I'm not over hyping it as I'm well documented in criticising the z6iii and previous gens of Nikon cameras.
I have had the Zf for a year now. My biggest hate is the flippy screen. Can't stand it, especially on a "retro' camera. It ruins the user experience for me. Second biggest gripe is auto-ISO being so damned hard to engage and disengage. Still haven't figured it out. Hit and miss. Third biggest gripe is the lack of remote shutter release. You have to use bluetooth on a retro camera! Never have. I'll grab my Z9 rather than have to resort to bluetooth. If the Z6iii had not also had a flippy screen I would have ditched the Zf and got the Z6iii, but since they burdened to Z6iii with that wretched screen I will keep the Zf for another year and see what happens. Sony has the tilt flip screen figured out. My biggest love of the Zf is using old manual focus lenses on it.
@@thomaschamberlin2485 Yes it seems to be the biggest issue with the zf is something they could have sorted as new it would be an issue for sure! I think it is guilty of trying to be modern and retro. Not sure that’ll ever work
Auto ISO is easy. Just set the red record button, or any other one you want to ISO. Flip the main ISO dial to C, Click and hold red (or whatever you picked) and rotate the front dial which turns auto ISO on/off, the rear dial then adjusts the range. You don’t need to menu dive to turn it on and off. If your in M mode mostly the ISO dial acts like an auto iso range wheel if you have it in auto. I set in the menus max to 200 (the lowest) then leave it in Auto 100% of the time because I use M mode almost exclusively with the Zf. That way i can say on a sunny day have ISO 100-800 range by setting 800 on the ISO wheel, walk indoors and spin the ISO wheel to 3200/6400 and now my auto ISO range is 100-3200/6400. If I want auto ISO off, spin ISO wheel to C and hold red button and the front wheel turns it off, now ISO wheel is back to manual selection without auto ISO. Once you figure this out the auto ISO works fantastic on the Zf. One thing to note is that method works in M/S modes. A/P will act like a minimum ISO setting that way. If I’m using A i just use the red button method as described and leave the ISO wheel in C.
Still contemplating between Zf and Z6iii - which one's more comfortable to bring on a whole day leisure walk (with probably a 28 or 35 prime). Any preference - tourist mode sort off.
I will ask a question... why buy such a camera... after all, everyone can see what they are buying and what the consequences are :-) This camera is not for everyone because this is its design and why comment on it when the use is absolutely obvious.It's a retro camera, so everything is as it should be and you either agree to it or not... You can see from its appearance that it's not suitable for everything and that's why it was created for casual work without rushing.
I have mixed feelings about the ZF. I had it for about six months and sold it. I didn't like the flippy screen, lack of joystick, and terrible ergonomics. However, the AF is great, and it's a beautiful-looking camera.
@@jtes1442 Yes the same for me, but as it works well It has its place. Maybe in time I’ll replace my z6i for a z6iii. But then again my z6i has its place for some things
Great little summary of you time with it. First of all let me just say i really like the Zf. For me i was coming from the D4 and the Df, and while i had the D810 and thought i might get the D850 at some point i was so happy with the sensor in the Df/D4 that i never made a switch. And i did not like any of the Z bodies and hated the adapter having a lot of amazing F lenses still. But that changed when i saw the Zf, and thought as a camera it would make for a great companion to my D4, being able to make use of its more modern features sometimes in work. I do not like any of the bigger Z lenses for the Zf and only use the 28 and 40 SE lenses. I use it for street photography and my day to day family shooting most of the time, and its fine for that and really does a good job. I think the favorite combo is probably the Zf+40. Light, some pretty good character even though plastic the 40mm is. I also bought the Voigtlander 40mm f1,2 the manual lens that people rave about. And it looks amazing on the camera, and makes for a fun experience. But i tend to bring he Z40mm more because of the weight and ease of use. Like you mentioned, in the field a combo that is lighter goes a long way, sometimes over quality even. So what do i DONT like about the Zf and makes me still not love it. Well i DO love it at times, but i did not love it as much as i did with my leica Q, or my Df even. Its hard to put the finger on why, and i had thoughts of replacing it with a M240 again or another Q for the street shooting or family shooting. But i still kept it. The reason i do not warm up to it as much as those other cameras is the sensor. Its a bit bland, and boring in comparison to the Q or M240 or the Df. I could create some magical images with lets say the Nikon 105mm f1,4 and the df, or the 58mm f1,4. Just had some special sauce to it. I get close with my own presets and some PP afterwards, so its fine. But it does not quite match what i would love in the sensor. And its a shame because for me it would be like the perfect replacement for my old Df. Also Nikon...please get some nicer retro styled lenses with the built like an old Nikkor and it might completely win me over ;) Cheers! regards Martin.
Yes the modern Nikon Look is quite cool and clinical with z sensors and lenses, sometimes too harsh in my opinion. I still use some ftz f mount lenses for a look and a nicer feel straight out of camera. The current 40mm and 28mm lenses were designed for the zfc, so in need of an update too. I guess the 35mm 1.4 they just released is a "character" lens, though thats expensive and really it just has flaws lol
@@RussandLoz The would be awesome if they could update those for sure :) Yeh hehe, read some reviews about it, its a bit too big as well for the Zf and also (just my subjective opinion ) even the design of the new Z lenses are bit boring and sterile looking, but ind of suit the other Z bodies of course.
I do agree with you and have held off buying one. I will one day because I really like it and love Nikon but I already own a X100V which gives me everything I want for this type of camera. I’m not a Vlogger or videographer so floppy flappy flipping screens put me off and are not a priority but I can forgive the Zf because of the ability to close off the rear monitor and treat it like a proper film camera. Nikon should produce some proper small lenses with character and aperture rings for a truly retro experience and that for me is where they need to be.
@@cotswoldphotographers Yes if only they made a tilt and flappy screen which has been done before. But yes I’d very much want new aperture lenses as these ones were really designed for the zfc
Great topic I have a Z6ii and a zfc for going out in the mall But I am glad that I did not buy a zf, I much prefer the proper mirrorless design with a grip and menu controls I am saving up for a Z6iii to get the new A/F system
@@Digmen1 Yes if I was in this position again I’d go with the z63. Though it’s nice using a different style camera. But they all have similar AF systems really
@@RussandLoz pocketability... Easy to carry on .. that middle viewfinder is a hassle for pockets... I like Ricoh gr , it feels like a perfect edc 📸, but the dust issues I keep hearing puts me mile away from buying it.. hope next version is dust proof. Just my personal opinion 🙂
I think we have to keep everything in perspective if we went back say 30 years okay? Let's go back to 1995 and we were to do reviews of cameras that were around then and then we were to jump forward one year and do a re-review we would find that in 1995 till 1996 there would've been a huge jump in technology as there was pretty much every year, until just probably recently I would say the last three years technology has completely plateaued and now we basically just seen gimmick updates in the cameras. I don't own this camera, but I imagine it's a very good camera like 90% on the markets are. They're literally isn't a bad camera now and it's just whether the camera fits your hand and you like the look of it. I noticed it there is a lot of Nikon ZF's for sale. I really do wish that it had been a 32 or 36 megapixel camera just to give it a little bit more beef and a little bit more cropping ability. That's my only whinge and I know people will say 24 megapixels is enough but trust me when you've used 48 and above megapixels you do notice the difference. I have the FujiFilm XT5 and I have been intrigued by the ZF camera because it has far better auto focus not that I would shoot professionally with the ZF not because you can't. It's just that I have other cameras to shoot professionally with this I have the FujiFilm XT5 and I have been intrigued by the ZF camera because it has far better auto focus not that I would shoot professionally with the ZF not because you can't. It's just that I have other cameras to shoot professionally with this would fun camera. The only thing I don't like about it is the screen a tilt down screen is built for photographers. I don't know why they just don't make two models one with the tilt down screen for photographers and one with the flip out for the videography guys which is a little bit white Fuji film did with the XH2 and the XT5 because essentially.... They are more or less the same camera just with different screens and obviously different ways of operating the camera but the actual sensor is exactly the same
@@nevvanclarke9225 Yes all cameras are great now. I think I did say that during the review but we have become more fussy too lol. Nikon could make a screen which tilts and flips like some other brands do. It’s a fun camera to use though most the time I don’t use the retro controls really
I AGREE with all the comments about "shooting with one hand". this is not a camera for that. If you want to look cool shooting one handed then get a Fuji X series (X100V or Xt5 for example) they are much lighter and have retro looks. Now, STOP critiquing the ERGONOMICS. I assume folks see and feel their cameras before buying so you know what you are buying! If you have an issue with ergonomics then just GET SOMETHING ELSE. Otherwise appreciate this camera for what it is!! BTW, most professional photographers reviews praise this camera. Thanks!!
Love the camera but I add a battery grip to EVERY Nikon camera I buy...........wish Nikon offered one for this camera then it would be the perfect camera....
@@RussandLoz I think it'll be something that I'll look into getting in the future. I've had a Sony A7iii, Panasonic GX9, Sony RX100, Fujifilm X100S, X100V, X-E4 and X-Pro2, with various lenses, some manual focus but most with autofocus. My favorite out of the bunch was the X-E4, X100V and the RX100. I ended up selling all my gear and I think what I just want is a one lens one camera system, for now at least. Would love a Leica Q3 but that's out of my budget at the moment. Will be getting an X100VI. Love the compact size, not having to decide which lens to bring and the ability to record video with its new IBIS. I'm drawn towards aesthetically pleasing cameras and the ZF is definitely beautiful, but since I'm just a hobbyist at heart the limited compact lens line up is something I'll have to wait for before jumping into the system.
Had my ZF for 3 months and I love it. Superb image and build quality. Autofocus is excellent too. The biggest downside is that using big lenses is a no no for me. I'd sooner use them on my D4 and D810.
This review was a bit hard to watch. Between de mumbling and whispering, but I do take one big thing out of it: you bought it refurbished, and it has worked fine. A few days ago, nikon had it refurbished for $1200! So I'm keeping my eyes open for one of those
Audio is very tricky to get right for all mediums, but you're the first to say that in 222 comments. But yes, refurbed from Nikon will have a warranty from them too!
I bought a Z6III ,, because I picked up My Nikon F n Said to myself ... I do not want to go back..... Dials NO, Grip Little or almost Not,,,,, NO, NO, NO !!!!! I am sure the Z6III is not perfect BUT it is "the camera for Me" !!!!!!!!!!!
I will NEVER buy this OR the Z6III they changed to articulating scrrns and I do not like them at all. MY Z6 and Fuji X T% have the traditional tilt screens PHOTOGRAPHERS prefer
@@RussandLoz Does the Z6 show aperture, Shutter and ISO settings while off? This is why I've gone over to Fuji years ago and why I'm looking to get the Zf. I can see and adjust all my settings before even turning on the camera. How is that not practical.
Flippy screen is the worst idea in a world when you work in the back of the camera. Nikon already had a good screen solution in Z9/Z8, which they could have populated across the whole line, but under pressure of selfie-vloggers they decided to break all the cheaper cameras for everybody else. When it comes to nostalgia I think is money grab, for this money you should feel comfortable when holding the camera.
I like the fact that I can have the screen flipped to the leather side. It stays that way 99.9% of the time. I was on a volcano in Iceland with 90+kt winds with my z9 and I had to turn back because I was worried about the tiny pebbles harming my screen. If I would have brought my Zf I don’t think I would have had that worry. Otherwise I would agree.
@@eberry023 For me it's not a good reason to break ergonomics :) Can't you use the screen protector? They are quite cheap. To be honest I'm more worried of breaking the screen when it's flipped out, because it's always in a way. Also when the camera is on strap and I do work from ground level, than the strap blocks the visibility of the screen. What I mean in general is that for me the flipout screen takes a lot of fun I have from handheld shooting. I specifically use longer lenses for wildlife/dogs, so it is also harder to aim, because screen is not in line with lens.
@@RussandLoz Yes, Sony has that. I'm currently in sony system, suffering with flipout screen in A7IV. Long lens stabilisation is crap on Sony, so I would love a small Nikon with 2way tilt. There is always something with every brand. Sony has shit stabe, Canon does not have lenses I want, NIkon makes poor design decisions :)
@@RussandLoz wasn’t ready for a follow up question (-: i would take the funds from sell to get either: a7r v, r5, or lumix s1h just my respectful opinion.
Based on the title, when you said professional work I stopped watching, this camera was not mean to be used for professional work. It can be as it has pro features because otherwise you would cry like babies if it didnt, although when Leica gives you a camera with literally nothing for the price of 3 of these you jizz in your pants as it is a tRuE PhOtoGraPHers cAMerA. If you head to the Nikon website they literally show pictures of flowers and dogs and cars and people walking down the street and how many nice colors this camera has, I really dig that olive green one, it was literally made for enthusiasm and nothing else, you people gotta go to camera rehab to drop that copium regarding pro work and ZF.
@@MrPetebuster1with bigger lenses it’s even more important to hold the lens. Why would anyone want to shoot with a long lens holding onto the camera body? With a big long lens most people would use either a monopod or a tripod.
@@peterjohnson1739 well, you still need to hold the camera, and most people don't use a tripod or monopod unless you're using a hide (wildlife}. Even then how do fire the trigger without holding a camera🤣 You hold both . The z6, z8 d4 etc are all much more comfortable and egornormiclly better to use with longer lenses. The zf wasn't designed for big lenses, Thats the point of having a nice grip which the zf lacks.
Re grips. I maintain that people are holding/carrying their cameras incorrectly. Use a strap for general carrying around and your left hand to cup the lens when shooting. Don't know why shooting one handed became "a thing".
@@davidcrighton3431 Yeah I do generally hold the camera that way but with any method the body is slim and long to operate. I enjoy using the camera but very different
For shooting near the ground for example it makes a huge difference.
I have come up with THE REASON why holding a camera with one hand is so Popular!!!!!! People while watching INFLUENCERS while shooting seems to LOOK COOL (or being different)!!!! The reason why IS, the influencer is vlogging with the other hand!!!!!
Absolutely this, I shot with film cameras the same way that my parents had I don't get this whole lazy one handed shooting it means you usually have to crop and straighten a lot in post which sucks. I absolutely adore the ZF and even shot some motorsports with it recently and it performed fantastically. The faster processor paired with the smaller MP sensor makes the auto focus and tracking a dream.
A camera that feels good in the hands isn’t a camera that feels bad one handed
I don't recall hearing anyone complain about the 'grips' on the Nikon F, F2, F3, FE, FM, FE2, FM2, FM3a, etc...? The Zf is designed to be 'retro', and natively has more of a 'grip' than any of the aforementioned bodies. I don't think Nikon intended the Zf to be paired with ginormous teles and 1.2 monstrosities, that's the domain of the larger, heavier pro bodies like the Z8/Z9, both of which are too large and heavy for my casual use. The Zf paired with a small fast prime is a delight.
Yeap. I'm taking it to Venice with the 28 and 40 f2
Yes, between ergonomic and retro, you have to pick one.
I used to attach the md-12 to my Nikon FE just so I’d have a grip and that was back in the 1980s. So it was a “thing” back then.
Well said! I’ve shot with a lot of F’s and your comment is spot on
Yep. Ditto Nikkormat EL, which I carried about for years without complaint. And that’s a heavy camera.
I love the pace of your reviews. No sensationalism, crazy thumbnails, or shouting. They have a therapeutic effect on me. I agree about the ergonomics issues (I often knock or press all kinds of buttons or dials accidentally) but this is a trade off I am willing to make. I would have also mentioned the very good, 10 bit 4:2:0 video (also taking benefit from the amazing stabilization) and the lovely pictures the sensor Nikon has implemented makes. It has the loveliest colors and amazing dynamic range! Autofocus is 95% on par with the Z8, Z9 and Z6 III. When I get tired of the very computer and digital-like feeling I get from taking photos with the Z9 due to the lack of mechanical shutter I love going back to the Zf for a more grounding, analogue sensation. We live in the best era when it comes to digital cameras! I wish to anyone to have the means to own these amazing tools.
@@PavelGramatikov Thanks, I do aim to make videos that are entertaining and not in your face. I agree with your view but there was too many good things to mention as this was an over a time review more than a specs review we did a year ago. 😊
I’ve been shooting Nikon’s since 1979 and absolutely love the the Zf reminds me of the FM & FE and even F3 days of my professional career I always shoot manual exposure not never one handed so never felt holding the Zf to be a problem at all. The Zf even feels great with f2.8 lenses of the Nikon Z trinity. I put it right up there with the classic Nikon’s from the past. Couldn’t be more happy with mine vintage and future in perfect harmony
How do you feel about the flippy screen? Good that you can turn it backward so there isn't one?
I upgraded to the Zf from the original Z6 and immediately worried about the lack of a large grip, but the addition of the manual controls was more than enough to convince me to stay with the Zf for a while. I used the SmallRig and Neewer grips on the Zf. I prefer the look of the Neewer, but the SmallRig felt better in the hand. After a while, I got tired of the extra weight and size of the grip, so I removed it, and to my surprise, I did not miss it at all.
I attribute this to a few things:
1) I do not tend to hold the camera by the grip for hours on end. I use a neck strap or wrist strap, and the addition of these gives me the confidence to hold the camera a little looser without worrying about dropping the camera.
2) I have always shot with two hands except with small point and shoots. Even with smaller lenses on my Zf, my natural inclination is to shoot with both hands. Perhaps this is because I am old and used to having to change the aperture ring and manually focus, but either way, it seems natural. Doing this, I don't really miss the extra grip.
3) In retrospect, I think that my reaction to the grip can mostly be attributed to how different it felt from the tacky Z6 grip rather than the actual need for a larger grip in most situations.
That said, I plan on keeping both of the extra grips, and I might use them if I plan to carry the Zf around with a really long zoom just for the extra stability.
@@NTXMarcusS yes I might try it without the grip for casual stuff and smaller lenses
100% agree … use a two handed grip or use the camera on a tripod. The original Nikon FM (on which the ZF is modelled) has no grip. I shot film with that for years - never thought “this camera needs a better grip”. However, as you say the left hand had two jobs to do one to support the lens the other (more important function) to operate the aperture ring.
I also have the Zf for almost a year now. I am also using it together with the Z8. I first started with the Smallrig grip and then bought a Neewer grip. When the latest Neewer grip with thumbrest came available I switched again. That latest Neewer grip with thumbrest makes the difference. I shot a wedding a few weeks ago with that combination and had no problems at all.
I was thinking there must be bigger grips now for the ZF, but couldn't see any much different from the Smallrig, though it would probably look a but odd if it was z6 size?
@@RussandLoz It's not the size on the front that makes the difference, but the thumbrest. Without it you have to use force to prevent the camera from slipping out of your hand. With the thumbrest you can loosely hold the camera, even with bigger lenses.
@@JanKats1963 why not hold your camera by the lens? Had no problems with that. Even with Lumix G6 and G2 it prevents me from accidentally hitting any buttons, which happens quite easily with those small cameras.
I use lenses with aperture rings for the ZF (Voigtländer 40mm 1.2 and 75mm 1.5 Z) or I assign the aperture control to the ring when using the 50mm 1.8 Z or the 105 2.8 Z
@@macmac6479 I tried using the controlling for aperture, but it changes too quickly
I have come up with THE REASON why holding a camera with one hand is so Popular!!!!!! People while watching INFLUENCERS while shooting seems to LOOK COOL (or being different)!!!! The REASON why IS, the influencer is vlogging with the other hand (and is wishing he/she could be using 2 hands)!!!!!
Lol, could well be, or on their phone!
I've bought a Nikon Zf recently in indigo blue leather skin and i am very satisfied with it. It's exactly what i wanted (and tried with FUJI long ago but build quality and ergonomics was not for me). I want to buy some Voigtländer primes for it. This camera is great for smaller primes. I also have some Nikkor F-Mount stuff. The 50 mm f/1.8 with the FTZ II is already a nice combination.
It absolutely suits smaller lenses with aperture rings even without the extra grip. I like the idea of manual lenses for some cases
I just upgraded to the Z6III and I‘m actually quite surprised how much the grip improved (at least for me). I can comfortably hold it without my pinky slipping off the bottom. With my Z6II I had a smallrig l-bracket permanently attached to make the grip just that little bit longer (though you can actually also grab it from a slightly upwards angle to prevent that). That‘s actually pretty cool because I can now get a slimmer bracket which will hopefully make the whole setup a bit lighter. Because that smallrig bracket is pretty heavy
@@romanpul it will be interesting if anyone makes a big big grip for ZF and how it would sit. I would probably get it for somethings
I had a Smallrig grip on mine for exactly one day and returned it immediately, it did not help the ergonomics at all, it simply added a 100 extra grams, but handling was pretty much the same as without it. Prefer it much like this even with my chunky Voigt 58/1.4 with ftz2 on top of that. For carrying around I have a wrist wrap, exactly as I did when I had my D700, so no major change for me in terms of handling, shooting, carrying. I did not shoot with one hand before, not shooting now either, I am not able to compose my shot looking at the display, I need to see the frame in evf, so I hold the camera always with both hands, maybe it’s just me, but…
Yeah I don't shoot with one hand, just carry it like that when walking etc. But yeah I might only use the extra grip when needed
First of all It's not about the size of the grip it's how you use it. 😉 I've had the Zf for awhile and it's a great camera, but when I do a job I'll get my Z6iii every time. I see the Zf as a more leisurely camera (enjoy the trip) and a more than capable backup. I would caution comparing the Zf with a Z8 way different sport. If I was in your position I'd keep the Zf and Z8 drop the Z6ii and get a Z6iii. that would be a great lineup.
@@barnowlwoodworks1690 Yes in time I’ll get a z63. But the zf is doing me well and even the z6 for some things
Interesting video - I have the Z8, Zf and Z6III, and I feel they all have somewhat different use cases. I shoot professionally and also for fun.
First, many of the issues you have with the Zf I think are with respect to using it in a professional environment, which is something that it is clearly not designed for. For example, the B&W switch which you mentioned can be switched the wrong way and take up a few extra seconds - this is largely irrelevant for non-professional usage. I personally love this feature for walking around and would not want it to be removed.
As far as ergonomics - the reason why old film cameras did not have a deep grip is because all lenses at that time were manual focus, which means you would (by necessity) be using your left had to hold the lens in order to focus so much of the weight was supported by your left hand thus nullifying the need for a deep grip. Also, camera batteries back then were small pill sized batteries that could be put on the bottom of the camera - today the deep grip doubles for better ergonomics with AF lenses and also as a space to put in a big battery.
The reason that the IBIS does not lock like it does on other Nikon cameras is that they literally do not have enough room in the Zf frame for the locking mechanism in addition to the shutter and IBIS mechanism. That said, Nikon has stated that it is well damped even though it moves around and will not break as a result of normal impact. it should be noted that most other brands do not have locking IBIS mechanisms or didn't until very recently.
So, and I think you get this - I am mostly elaborating for your viewers, the Zf is a great camera if you are looking to shoot casually - for walk around photography - certainly for manual focus photography which it excels at utilizing subject recognition for manual focus lenses - and when using manual focus lenses the ergonomics are not an issue, and as you point out, the ergonomics with the optional grip (which is very inexpensive) are good enough for most walk around lenses. I actually have used lenses as large as the 24-120 f/4 S lens fairly comfortably with the grip, but much bigger than that is a problem. That said, pretty much all the 1.8 S line lenses work wonderfully on the Zf with the grip with the exception of the Plena which is a little heavy for this camera (but doable).
The Z8 is my first choice for any professional or studio shoot. It is simply a masterpiece of ergonomics, build, and features - literally second to none as a FF hybrid camera across any brand (I am including the Z9 mentally here - just depends if you want a built in grip or not). Even much newer cameras like the Canon R5II do not outshine the Z8/9. The R5II has a slower electronic shutter and some questionable dynamic range. By all rights, the R5II is an excellent camera - don't get me wrong - it just doesn't obsolete the Z8/9 in any particular area, and in many it is still inferior.
The Z6III is literally the 'poor man's' Z8 - I don't mean this disparagingly - just that it is about $1,000-$1500 cheaper than the Z8 and it can do much of what the Z8 can but certainly not all. It has a fast electronic sensor but somewhat slower than the Z8. Unfortunately, the Z6III partially stacked sensor takes a DR hit, and the DR of this camera is the worst of the three considered here (Zf, Z6III, Z8/9). In this one way, the Zf is actually better than the Z6III. Of course this will only be a problem in more extreme shooting situations but it is noteworthy. Although I have used the Z6III the least of the three, I feel that it has the worst IQ of the three - probably due to this DR hit. That said, the IQ is still very good and this is not a real limitation.
Where the Z6III really shines is as a more inexpensive alternative as a back-up/second camera to the Z8/9 - especially for professional use. It is certainly good enough to be the companion camera and its ergonomics are also good for the larger lenses that one might use professionally.
Once again, as you have pointed out in the video - use case is everything. Myself, I have a use case for each of them and really do love them all. I would say that the Z6III is my least favorite of the three because in effect the Z8 is better in every way - but of course you pay for that.
Thanks for the video!
-PD
Wow, thanks for your detailed response offering some great answers to my questions. Interesting what you say about the z6iii being your least favourite. In the Uk the z8 is only 20% more in price but I would prefer it as a second body.
I think I confused people, I don't take photos with one hand, but carry it with one hand, which can be a strain with the zf, but really its not too bad.
@@RussandLoz Yes - that makes sense. There is no question that it is less ergonomic, but of course that's what we signed up for with the retro thing 😂. I would also prefer another Z8 to a Z6III in retrospect, but I think for those that are really scraping the Z6III is a great option and it will be more than 20% cheaper soon when it gets discounted - the Z8 is at discount prices and the Z6III is still at full retail, but yes two Z8's is ideal for any pro endeavor. That said, Z8 with Z6III can get you by.
@@photographydiscourse1185 Z8's are heavier though, as a second camera it'd be overkill?
@@RussandLoz Not sure - depends on the person - for me no - they are still small enough to clip into a Peak Design belt clip - but yeah Z6III is a little smaller - for some this is probably a consideration.
I've had a Zf since Jan 2024 really like it apart from its weightier than you'd think. I'm using it as a full frame upgrade to a X-T3 which it does well with much better auto focus and it has stabilisation. I also wanted it for using with vintage lenses which again it looks the part and has that neat manual focus trick. I have the Smallrig grip which I've used the most and now the newer Neewer with the thumb grip. Tbh they both have pros and cons - I maybe prefer the stickier rubber of the Smallrig. With the 40mm or the 28mm I've started to not bother with the grip and have no issues. With the 24-120mm I do use one. As I use a wrist strap depending on lens size I will hold the lens base if required. Any of those combos fit in a 3L Peak Design sling so I can minimise the hand holding part anyway. Overall I've found it a very capable enjoyable camera to use. I'm not sure I'd get a Zf and a Z6, even the Z6iii, but it would compliment a Z7,8 or 9 I think.
I have had the zf for about 6 months now and still like it. however, im hobbyist photographer and i can see the obvious need for a professional to have a z8 or z9. But for a hobbyist like me it has everything i need and more. Also personally i like the flippy screen( funny name to call it). I just adjust and get us to it, it personally doesn't bother me that it is off to the side. I have found it way more versatile than older screen stuck to the back of the camera. I used for video for the first time this week and being able to see yourself is huge. Also, the leather backside is really nice, especially when shooting in hot weather and using the viewfinder i dont get sweat on the screen. (My last camera screen broke because of really small drop, so like ti keep it closed for safety too)I love look, it has character, and customization thats nice, everytime i see it looks like it wants to be used. Im a little younger and never used the cameras it is based on. I like bw switch, when I want the photos to have more of classic feel or the because if the weather conditions bw photos look better. Being able to quickly change is great. Weakness is the grip, i have big hands, i wish there were larger grips. Autofocus is great, but it certainly has its frustrating moments, but better than the z6 i was using. One off the funny things about the camera is i also forget to turn it off when i put it it my bag and i came back use it and the battery is dead. Sorry for long post, but love the channel and video.
@@stevenyoung1141 Thanks Steven. It’s always good to hear from other users and their experiences.
Am I just unskilled? EC dial use crippled except with full Auto; can't get ISO to 'stay put' and be able to use EC dial. Even in Manual setting, Or A. It seems to occur even with exposure bracket, auto ISO turned OFF.
I can use ISO adjust with lenses that have the 'settings' ring, and I set front button on front to be ISO. But camera changes ISO when I shoot, anyway, no matter.
Thus, I have lots of issues with ergonomics of Zf, but that is not my primary issue with Zf. I want a joystick on a body!
Using still D810, 2 DX bodies, and a variety of lenses for both. I had SONY A6000/ a6300 and Ricoh GRii. The Zf us my first Nikon mirrorless.
Just got it a month ago and still finding my way with it. I use the z8 a lot more, but I think over time I will like it.
I've had the ZF for a couple months now, properly supporting the camera with both hands when using it I've never had problems with fatigue using the smallrig and 40mm and that's with using a wrist strap as well. The only time I use a neck strap is when using using a larger lens or if I know I might need to use my hands a bit more. The look and feel of the ZF makes me want to use it more, and works better for me as an everyday camera so I bought it over the Z6 III, eventually I'll get a Z8 for the better ergonomics, etc but will likely still use my ZF for an everyday walk around camera.
Whilst I love the look of the Zf, I went with the Z6iii for many of the practical reasons you mentioned.
I guess ideally we'd have both for different cases
If you had been taking photos in the 80s, you would have known about the grip. I had an Olympus OM-2sp back then. This camera is smaller and was even harder to use with large hands.
I found the thumb grip that goes in the flash really helps to hold it better.
Like you, the grip is what i dislike the most about the zf. I'll probably sale it since i bought a z6iii and don't need both.
A cynical person might say Nikon released everything but the z6iii so we buy it all first...
I bought the Zf then the Z6iii a month later, sold off the Zf like you said , didnt need it and more Fn buttons on the 6iii.
Very helpful review; the form of this camera, meaning its grip, is the one weakness of this camera but it is easily sorted out with an accessory grip. As to autofocus and general ease of use, it is a great camera. I have used it for street photography for candid, quick shots and it has a great hit rate for focussing properly. The Zf is a joy to use.
The latest grip from neewer has a thumb support on the back and I can say it’s a game changer as far as hold the camera . Went out yesterday with the new grip
And I was holding the cam by 2 fingers and my thumb very loose and it was great . I had the smallrig and no thumb support makes the deathgrip
@@socialbender Right ok I’ll look into that! Hope it’s not too heavy
Is it a built in thumb grip or is it attached to the hotshoe?
@@AmandaGordon-cg7fuit’s a built in thumb grip , built into the grip . It’s amazing
It’s built into the grip there is 2 versions of that grip. Get new version with thump grip@@AmandaGordon-cg7fu
I bought a Zf about a year ago as well. Love the camera in many ways and the lack of a grip did not bother me at first, but after a few months I developed tennis elbow from using it. Never happened before, I think it was the combo of the flip screen and the lack of grip and possibly the fairly heavy 24-70mm lens (trying to shoot closer to the ground so one handed). It also feels very sturdy but I dropped it on grass and the battery cover popped out plus it also gave me error messages when shooting in very hot weather, so it may not be as rugged as it seems. On the plus side, I do love the classic layout. To me it's not about nostalgia but about being able to control settings without having to go through menus or multiple button presses. It is much faster and more intuitive-I mostly use lenses with aperture rings too, either Nikkor AF-Ds or Voigtlanders.
@@nanoulandia Yeah that’s what I’ve found. I take the smallrig grip off for smaller lenses as it reduces the weight a bit.
I had both the Z8 and Z6, and when I was about to resell my Z6, I initially wanted to get the Zf with the 24-70mm f/2.8 (since I'm a prime lens user: 50mm f/1.2, 85mm f/1.2, 135mm f/1.8). But when I arrived at the store, the Z6iii had just been released. Although I love the design of the Zf, it reminds me of my F3HP
I still decided to go with the Z6iii + 35mm f/1.4, and I think that's what you're going to do too
. I use the Z6iii in electronic mode, and the mechanical mode with that smooth, blackout-free viewfinder feels nothing like older models. It almost feels like holding a reflex camera, it's so smooth. I also have the Canon EOS R5 Mark II, so I've been able to compare the Z6iii, Z8, and R5 II, and the Z6iii really impresses me!
@@simrtech3d Interesting to hear why it’s better than other brands you’ve used?
@@RussandLoz
Sorry, I don't often speak or write in English. I still have my Z8, which I love, and it's my favorite. Obviously, at this price range, the R5ii is amazing, and I plan to keep it as well. I didn't mean to say that the Z6iii is better than the others, but that compared to the Zf, the Z6iii is a better option today.
The grip of the Z6iii is larger than that of the original Z6. I would say it's between the size of the Z6 and the Z8, providing a very good handhold. The viewfinder is stunning, though with glasses (which I wear), you lose a bit in the corners since it's rectangular. But I must admit that the color accuracy, brightness, and smoothness are a huge improvement over the old Z6. Compared to the Z8, it’s brighter-just to give you an idea, you need to set the Z8’s viewfinder to +3 or 4 to get the same brightness as the Z6iii. As for colors, the Z6iii is more flattering, but the Z8's viewfinder is already very good. Personally, the extra available pixels don't make much of a difference for me; it’s cleaner, but during a photo session, you don't really notice it.
The burst mode on the Z6iii is completely different-no blackout, and it feels like using a DSLR with no lag or stutter. As I said, there’s no blackout. In electronic mode, it performs well. We agree that there can be some rolling shutter issues with very fast movements, but for weddings, there's no problem, and you'll feel right at home with the Z8.
However, it's true that it lacks some of the Z8's features, like the ability to configure the camera the same way. For example, the command recall feature isn't available on the Z6iii, and I use it a lot, but it's not a big deal-I’ve adapted. In terms of handling, I prefer the grip of the Z6iii over the Z8’s, which I find too large. You're taller than me and probably have bigger hands, so it might be better for you.
As for autofocus, to me, it's like the Z8. Yes, there might be differences, but they are minimal and likely only in specific conditions. I would have preferred if they made a Mini Z8-a Z8 the size of the Z6iii-but it's hard to justify the price, so…
I tried out the Z f through an NPS loan, but it just wasn’t a good fit for me. I found myself accidentally bumping the dials, so I ended up setting the camera to rely on the command dials instead. The ergonomics also didn’t feel right with most lenses, except for the 40mm f/2. This was actually the first camera I’ve ever sent back to NPS before the loan period ended, which surprised me because I had high hopes for the Z f. I imagined myself using it with the back screen closed, relying solely on the EVF, and enjoying its FM2-style design.
@@MichaelSeneschal It is very fussy and too much going on really. Maybe it could have simplified but then it wouldnt be as capable. A difficult design decision
I have the ZF and Z8, use the ZF with the 28 and 40mm lenses, love them both use Z8 for wildlife and landscape and ZF for walk about camera, going to Croatia in September and plan to take the ZF with the 24-120 and either the 20, 40 or 50mm can’t make my mind up.
I would take 40 over 50 for the small weight - you would have the 24-120 on most of the time anyway.
Agree about the Z6 grip. Great camera to handle.
I was raised on film camera bodies with no grip. One day I saw a Canon film body with a grip and thought woohoo! Great thinking Canon! Then I saw a camera whose dials were replaced by menu dives and scroll wheels and I thought it was a step backwards. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Its just good design vs bad design no matter the age. But even this is in the eye of the beholder for many prefer to do away with dials. But the reason some of us prefer dials is not nostalgia but for handling. I think Fuji do it right and Nikon is hamstrung due to its gelded lenses
We may well use two hands to take a photo but in between we carry it in one hand - much easier with a grip. I think if the Z6iii had the ZF dials we would have it right as far as Nikon can take it
As for the Smallrig grip, would it kill them to make it the same shape as the Z6 grip?
@@tonyhayes9827 Yes I agree. But would a bigger grip look silly? Probably would but I’d get it. Even a battery extension grip really
I really wanted to wait for the z6 III, but tax year wouldn't allow for it. That said, I've come to really appreciate the dials which are fantastic when shooting video. It also makes me want to go out and take photos, which is a good thing. I do mainly use prime lenses but I really, really wish they had built it with a proper grip.
Yes a lot of people got the ZF but really wanted a z6iii, just like me, hopefully someone will make a bigger grip even if it looks silly
The same way professional photographers used Nikon F3, F4, or F5, to do their job, and common photographers were completely fulfilled with the Nikon FM or FM2 or FM3 capabilities, I feel we can look at nowadays Nikon range the same way, and say that the Zf is not to those who pretend or need long telephoto lenses and do hard photography work.
To me, a regular guy who likes a lot photo gear and using it, taking as many photos as time allows, the Zf is a dream come true, from the time I wished someone made a camera back to use on my F3 or F4, to allow me to use them everyday. Either with the humble but yet most competent kit lenses, taking profit of the AF and auto-iso wonders or, with vintage manual lenses, taking profit of one of the best current manual focus systems, rotating the ISO knob to the desired one, selecting the speed, or maybe just the aperture, on a true classic photography style it's a real and unique pleasure. And that, is the true soul of the Zf (and Zfc). On the handling department, the small add on Nikon grip is a must.
Most of the time I use the Zf with Leica R lenses and, oh! boy, just amazing feelings
@@rickyzagalo That’s a nice overall perspective. How do you use Leica lenses? Do they have a certain character?
@russandloz From my analogue lenses assortment, the ones that better match the Zf 80's look are the Leica R and the Canon FD. On Nikon glass just until the D series because the G and following lenses look too modern. I use the Shoten adapters. They are very well built, and they better match the vintage look of the Zf. Then, the Leica R lenses give better feelings, and every focus or aperture setting movement feels quality. They are very nice looking, big front glass, beautiful number graphics. And, finally and most importantly, they make crystal clear images with excellent contrast and sharpness. The Canon FD lenses also make excellent images, but there's a "Je ne sais quoi" on all the Leica R lenses experience that make them my usual choice for a photo raid.
Someday, I must get a Minolta/Sony A-mount to Nikon Z adapter to try my Minolta AF lenses. They have a lot of character making beautiful warm images. Till your next video. Best regards
I lasted a week with my ZF. Even trying two grips plus a thumb rest that went in the flash hot shoe. And the funky (not simple and straightforward) way to change settings, nutso! Thankfully the store took it back. So I’m back reconsidering which way to go for a FF camera. Will keep my Z50 for light travel option.
@@craigcarlson4022 I can understand that, I think it’s guilty of trying to be too much. But then I guess people wouldn’t be happy if it didn’t have modern features
Did camera companies design grips bigger for us or just because they needed to put bigger batteries into digital cameras - and then we benefitted? Unfortunately it seems it’s by accident after a battery was needed.
Either way, it keeps evolving, which is great!
@@daustonian9331 That’s a good point! Need bigger batteries especially for z8
I shot with an FE & FE2 back in the day and I loved shooting them (mind you though, I only had small primes, 35, 50, & 85mm mounted.) Having said that, I shoot D3s & D3x currently LOL.
I think if Nikon or someone made nice solid retro character lenses, not like the 35 1.4 they just released, it'd be great
The Zf has surprised me. I progressed through many Nikon digital SLRs starting with a D100 over 20 years ago. I waited quite a while to upgrade my many years old D750 for a Z6 ii just in the days prior to the Zf release. I should have returned it and picked up a Zf. Far and away, the focus speed and focus modes and options are substantially improved. Yes the ergonomics aren’t perfect. But so much of the camera very nice. In the end, I decided to have some fun, save a little money, and chose the Zf over a Z6iii. Getting me to upgrade would likely require adding the Z8/Z9 style screen to a Zf type body and using faster memory card tech. Loading a few thousand images at a time from SD vs CFexpress is a noticeable difference.
I'm curious about the d780, which is a hybrid z6/750. Also f mount lenses fit and handle better on dslr, the ftz makes it awkward and heavy in my opinion
@@RussandLoz I found the limited DSLR autofocus coverage frustrating. As I’ve aged and my eyesight has deteriorated, I’m much more dependent on autofocus magic. The biggest advantage of the DSLR is incredible battery life. I’d literally forget how long it had been since charging the D750 battery. On the Z6ii, Z50, and Zf it always feels risky to be without an extra battery.
i am a z8/9 stills only shooter. had the zf as a loaner and shot it on 2 weddings next to the other two cameras - ergonomics of 8/9 are clearly winning here but I want the zf anyway. more as a personal edc camera to replace my zfc. in that scenario I sometimes bring the 8 just because I need or want full frame but would be fine with less resolution and a slightly smaller body and less intimidating. for me the zf has something to it that cannot be described rationally (btw. I hate the flippy screen)
@@simpics-simonschneider One day they’ll make it flip and tilt. I’m sure they could. But yes you’re right
I have real sympathy for designers of retro products because we’ve forgotten all the bad stuff that was there and only remember the stuff we liked. Remember the lack of power steering on your first car … of course you dont, but you still needed arnie’s biceps to steer the darned thing! The camera grip for example … Modern cameras tend to have good sized ones so you don’t need rock climber’s hands. If you use retro gear the way it was way back when noah was in short trousers its great, enjoy the modern twist on a classic, but don’t hope to stick a 500f4 on the front and expect to hold the camera in one hand. I’ll buy retro once i can afford to buy it after i already have what i need. So in this example Russ, z6iii … function first
@@steveboys5369 Yes good point. I don’t think they’ll ever please everyone. All Loz and I wanted years ago was a z6iii. But everything came before it
great review and really enjoy the style. I tried the Zf alongside my FM in Grays and identified that the big ergonomic difference (for me) was that I use the film advance lever on the FM (and other file SLRs) to brace the camera. Makes a massive difference and of course missing on Zf. So for me, with quite big hands, z8 and particularly z9 are the way to go with heavier lenses. Love the way it looks but prefer the FM and OMs!
@@johngeddes679 yes z8 has an amazing grip for big lenses. Feels good!
I have the ZF, the Z8, and the Z6ii. The performance of my ZF is closer to my Z8 and I wanted my ZF to walk around with. Because I get compliments on my ZF as well. I think I might use my Z6ii to walk around with as it looks less valuable! 😅
@@mrdarryljones1 yeah you could see it that way lol
my camera of choice is the Nikon DF the image quality is incredible and I have been through many cameras, the images look like color slide film to me. I still enjoy the z8.
How do you find the autofocus on the DF? Someone I know is selling one and I'm so tempted. I already have a D780 and my original plan was to keep that forever for F mount lenses and wait a few years until used Zf prices come down. Another option is to forget about that and get a DF now, just because I want one.
I got z5 for grip. I have used FE for nostalgia
I currently use a handful of FM2Ns, FMs and a couple of EL2s; I went with the Z5 just to test lenses and find it to be a great little camera that never gets in the way. Maybe I’ll buy the Zf (someday), but it doesn’t set off any nostalgia in me. This video is excellent - it gets past the nostalgic needs of the buyer and addresses the actual merits of the camera. And for that, the Zf has a ton of good qualities at a good price point. However, my Z5 might be good enough for me while I take care of my film cameras.
I love mine. I am currently using mine with the pancake 26mm. I felt like the 40mm SE and 28mm SE were more consumer/plastic built than the ZF. They're built more like the ZF C. But the Nikon Z 26mm F2.8 is small but built like a tank with metal mount and rubber gasket, etc... I wish Nikon had more small primes with metal mounts/rubber gaskets, etc..
@@fromshadowlands Yes they are in need of an update of small quality lenses with aperture rings
I owned two Fuji cameras in the past mainly because they are beautiful machines. The Zf and Zfc cameras are also very beautiful. But the ergonomics of these cameras is not for me. As you say, they are very hard to handle. I very much prefer the Z6 and Z50 ergonomics. Although I already had a D850 and a Z6II, I bought a Z50 several years ago. It took me by surprise but I really like the Z50. It is a small but very capable camera but the most important thing about the Z50: it is a fun camera! And I don't get what many people have against DX type sensors. IQ coming out of that camera is very impressive.
Yes, I had the zfc, but wanted in body stabilisation and other upgrades really.
I have a Z8 and a Z30 . I love both of them and yes I do use the z30 for stills. I would love another body but totally don’t need one. 😂 I’m pretty sure if I was allowed to test a few of the mid range bodies, I would go for the ZF. However I’m going to wait until it’s cheaper or until Nikon make a Zr . A full frame range finder street photography Z
@@SingleTrack66 I don’t know about rangefinders. How would it be different from a zf?
I use my Sony cameras for all my serious professional shoots. I use the Nikon Zf for fun stuff with the kids and family. But I do enjoy shooting with the Zf more every time I get a chance to shoot with it.
@@giangvu7902 it does have a place and is wonderfully capable. What lens?
@@RussandLoz I currently have three lenses for the Zf, the Nikon 35mm f/1.8 S, and Voigtlander 35mm and 50mm manual focus for Z Mount. Quite a joy to use!
I have sold my ZF, because I have hoped for a somewhat similar experience to my Leica M10. But it didn't work out.
@@DocDealgood in what way? Too big?
7:15 agree.. it’s like my Zf is always in a light highlight weighted metering mode. It loves shadows.
@@TracyClark The metering does seem a bit off if there is a highlight in the scene. As does the colours compared to the z8. Not sure that’s going on there
PS. The Z8 is heavy lunk. Since I got the Zf in FEB, I've spent enough on it, asa Z8 body, FTZii and a modest Z lens.
But no. For walk around city/ travel use I could not go for it.
@@stevenj2380 It sometimes needs an additional grip. From all the comments it’d be very popular
I've had mine for a while and my conclusion is that Nikon's lens lineup seriously lets it down. The 40/2.0 is nice until you grab a 40 year old 50 summicron and realize that even at 24mp the two or three lenses that Nikon offers that actually suit the Zf are not as good as 2 or 3 decade old designs. Unfortunately for me as a retro camera it's a miss. Once there's a new generation of high MP Nikons I'll likely ditch it since I still like the Z system for macro. Good review though.
@@TCMx3 Yes the 40 was really designed for zfc so they are in desperate need for new lenses.
I had two Zf's but sold one with cash to get a lens for a trade. I have so many cameras that I have a hard time to choose which camera to use. Love them all. Cheers!
@@randallbrander8157 Yes I’m the same really, different cameras for different things I guess. Can’t believe I only used to use one for everything lol
Wait why did you have two though 😅🤔
@@dbean5174 I gave one away to my Best Friend. Cheers!
I picked up my ZF (with Small Rig grip) last November and have used it predominantly for Landscapes and Street. I wasn't comfortable with the grip so sent across to Asia where I managed to get a genuine Nikon GR1 metal grip with thumb grip, a MAJOR improvement in MHO. I have taken some of my best photos with this Camera...the only downside is the increased weight when compared to the Z6iii which is a consideration to bear in mind going forward.
@@stevecrump6253 Yes I would assume the zf with grip is heavier than a z63?
842g without lens.
@@stevecrump6253getting close to Z8 weight....
I don’t have budget for the Zf so looking at the Zfc, just out of curiosity how does the image quality differ between the two?
@@siddharthaghosh1513 Zfc is cropped sensor and no image stabilisation but very good image quality.
I'm glad Nikon went the way with minimal grip. The 40mm is practically glued on my ZF. When I need the 24-200, I'll use the grip. I don't get what the fuss is all about.
@@weiyang6417 Yeah this is what I was saying about everyone wanting something different. But fair enough
It’s sort of all covered with the optional grips. If pure ergonomics is the highest priority the Zf is really not the camera for that person. They make the Z6iii, Z8, Z6/7/5 for that.
the reason i kept mt ZFC for street Photography (Z8 for nature and kandscape)
@@avnerbenzvi8757 Yes I can see why. Shame it didn’t have IBIS though
It looks like your leather is holding up well? Is it? I want a blue or brown one so badly but worried about longevity of the colored leather.
@@TracyClark Yeah it’s been fine, no issues there so far.
In time 6:02m of the video, you show us a screen with the " i " menu at the Botton and some settings appear in the upper side ( M, 1/800, F__, 64000, [ 618] ), but in fact this part ( the upper half of the screen with data) never appeared in my menu. How did you get this? I'm working with this camera for a year too and never see this!! Thank you!
@@AfetianStudio I was pressing the display button at that time so just cycle through that?
Thanks for your long term review. You've mentioned lots of little things that are worth considering. Personally, I think the Z6 III, while more expensive, is a much better design ergonomically, and a better size. Reviews like yours have edged me away from getting the Zf, and waiting for the Z6 III. Ta. BTW, what does Loz think, 🙂?
@@gbye007 Every camera has its issues. Such as the z6iii having a battery door issue not opening properly. Loz said it was too fussy and too much going on, I did say that during this video as he’s on holiday
@russandloz I guess by too fussy, you mean all those dials on top, and the itsy bitsy aperture display?
Thanks for asking! I’m away at the moment but the ergonomics and different control layout puts me off. I also don’t have any hankering after nostalgia or retro design. I have never particularly bothered what a camera looks like, it’s how comfortable it is to hold and use and if I have more than one camera from the same manufacturer I thinks it’s important that the layout is similar.
@@gbye007 Too many buttons all around really in a small space.
I just do not understand the grip complaints on this camera. Why do people buy this if they want a huge grip and to hold a camera by the grip only. Theres the entire lineup of Z cameras that have that. It’s like people are complaining because they wanted a cheaper Z6iii or a Z5ii from the Zf.
@@kalimarus I think people have misunderstood. I take photos with one hand. I only use it with one hand while carrying it. But like I said I got this as there wasn’t a z6iii out and my z8 was being fixed.
yep, I also don't understand how anyone would take still using one hand, might as well just use a smartphone. To me it's just an instinct to put my left hand under the lens, no matter the size of lens. It's just the way I've always done it, and it makes sense.
@@domtomas1178 I think I confused people, I meant I hold it while walking in one hand, not actually taking photos with it.
So was all the hype worth it or not ?
It is a very powerful camera which much improves from the previous generations. If you are ok with the grip this camera is the best in its class. A real bargain really! I'm not over hyping it as I'm well documented in criticising the z6iii and previous gens of Nikon cameras.
I have had the Zf for a year now. My biggest hate is the flippy screen. Can't stand it, especially on a "retro' camera. It ruins the user experience for me. Second biggest gripe is auto-ISO being so damned hard to engage and disengage. Still haven't figured it out. Hit and miss. Third biggest gripe is the lack of remote shutter release. You have to use bluetooth on a retro camera! Never have. I'll grab my Z9 rather than have to resort to bluetooth. If the Z6iii had not also had a flippy screen I would have ditched the Zf and got the Z6iii, but since they burdened to Z6iii with that wretched screen I will keep the Zf for another year and see what happens. Sony has the tilt flip screen figured out. My biggest love of the Zf is using old manual focus lenses on it.
@@thomaschamberlin2485 Yes it seems to be the biggest issue with the zf is something they could have sorted as new it would be an issue for sure! I think it is guilty of trying to be modern and retro. Not sure that’ll ever work
Auto ISO is easy. Just set the red record button, or any other one you want to ISO. Flip the main ISO dial to C, Click and hold red (or whatever you picked) and rotate the front dial which turns auto ISO on/off, the rear dial then adjusts the range. You don’t need to menu dive to turn it on and off. If your in M mode mostly the ISO dial acts like an auto iso range wheel if you have it in auto. I set in the menus max to 200 (the lowest) then leave it in Auto 100% of the time because I use M mode almost exclusively with the Zf. That way i can say on a sunny day have ISO 100-800 range by setting 800 on the ISO wheel, walk indoors and spin the ISO wheel to 3200/6400 and now my auto ISO range is 100-3200/6400. If I want auto ISO off, spin ISO wheel to C and hold red button and the front wheel turns it off, now ISO wheel is back to manual selection without auto ISO. Once you figure this out the auto ISO works fantastic on the Zf. One thing to note is that method works in M/S modes. A/P will act like a minimum ISO setting that way. If I’m using A i just use the red button method as described and leave the ISO wheel in C.
Still contemplating between Zf and Z6iii - which one's more comfortable to bring on a whole day leisure walk (with probably a 28 or 35 prime). Any preference - tourist mode sort off.
>>which one's more comfortable to bring on a whole day leisure walk
@@Padsshootswide Zf looks cooler but z6 grip for ease!
I will ask a question... why buy such a camera... after all, everyone can see what they are buying and what the consequences are :-) This camera is not for everyone because this is its design and why comment on it when the use is absolutely obvious.It's a retro camera, so everything is as it should be and you either agree to it or not... You can see from its appearance that it's not suitable for everything and that's why it was created for casual work without rushing.
@@jarsok245 Yes I enjoy it! Use it for weddings and street/ travel. It’s nice to have fun and pro options 😊
I have mixed feelings about the ZF. I had it for about six months and sold it. I didn't like the flippy screen, lack of joystick, and terrible ergonomics. However, the AF is great, and it's a beautiful-looking camera.
@@jtes1442 Yes the same for me, but as it works well It has its place. Maybe in time I’ll replace my z6i for a z6iii. But then again my z6i has its place for some things
I understand. I'm also looking at a Z6III to complement my Z7 and D810. However, I’m hesitant because I do not like the flippy screen.
@@jtes1442 if only they used a tilt and flip it would suit everyone!
Great little summary of you time with it.
First of all let me just say i really like the Zf. For me i was coming from the D4 and the Df, and while i had the D810 and thought i might get the D850 at some point i was so happy with the sensor in the Df/D4 that i never made a switch.
And i did not like any of the Z bodies and hated the adapter having a lot of amazing F lenses still.
But that changed when i saw the Zf, and thought as a camera it would make for a great companion to my D4, being able to make use of its more modern features sometimes in work.
I do not like any of the bigger Z lenses for the Zf and only use the 28 and 40 SE lenses. I use it for street photography and my day to day family shooting most of the time, and its fine for that and really does a good job. I think the favorite combo is probably the Zf+40. Light, some pretty good character even though plastic the 40mm is.
I also bought the Voigtlander 40mm f1,2 the manual lens that people rave about. And it looks amazing on the camera, and makes for a fun experience.
But i tend to bring he Z40mm more because of the weight and ease of use. Like you mentioned, in the field a combo that is lighter goes a long way, sometimes over quality even.
So what do i DONT like about the Zf and makes me still not love it. Well i DO love it at times, but i did not love it as much as i did with my leica Q, or my Df even.
Its hard to put the finger on why, and i had thoughts of replacing it with a M240 again or another Q for the street shooting or family shooting.
But i still kept it.
The reason i do not warm up to it as much as those other cameras is the sensor. Its a bit bland, and boring in comparison to the Q or M240 or the Df.
I could create some magical images with lets say the Nikon 105mm f1,4 and the df, or the 58mm f1,4. Just had some special sauce to it.
I get close with my own presets and some PP afterwards, so its fine. But it does not quite match what i would love in the sensor.
And its a shame because for me it would be like the perfect replacement for my old Df.
Also Nikon...please get some nicer retro styled lenses with the built like an old Nikkor and it might completely win me over ;)
Cheers! regards Martin.
Yes the modern Nikon Look is quite cool and clinical with z sensors and lenses, sometimes too harsh in my opinion. I still use some ftz f mount lenses for a look and a nicer feel straight out of camera. The current 40mm and 28mm lenses were designed for the zfc, so in need of an update too. I guess the 35mm 1.4 they just released is a "character" lens, though thats expensive and really it just has flaws lol
@@RussandLoz The would be awesome if they could update those for sure :)
Yeh hehe, read some reviews about it, its a bit too big as well for the Zf and also (just my subjective opinion ) even the design of the new Z lenses are bit boring and sterile looking, but ind of suit the other Z bodies of course.
I do agree with you and have held off buying one. I will one day because I really like it and love Nikon but I already own a X100V which gives me everything I want for this type of camera. I’m not a Vlogger or videographer so floppy flappy flipping screens put me off and are not a priority but I can forgive the Zf because of the ability to close off the rear monitor and treat it like a proper film camera. Nikon should produce some proper small lenses with character and aperture rings for a truly retro experience and that for me is where they need to be.
@@cotswoldphotographers Yes if only they made a tilt and flappy screen which has been done before. But yes I’d very much want new aperture lenses as these ones were really designed for the zfc
Great topic
I have a Z6ii and a zfc for going out in the mall
But I am glad that I did not buy a zf, I much prefer the proper mirrorless design with a grip and menu controls
I am saving up for a Z6iii to get the new A/F system
@@Digmen1 Yes if I was in this position again I’d go with the z63. Though it’s nice using a different style camera. But they all have similar AF systems really
Maybe it's the person and not the camera :(
@@rotvonrat Well yes I say it’s a very personalised thing, it will suit some people more than others.
😂 the truth comes out ! 😂😂
i just wish nikon release a digital range finder like sp3..
@@Avinash-wg7xl How would that be different? 😊
@@RussandLoz pocketability... Easy to carry on .. that middle viewfinder is a hassle for pockets... I like Ricoh gr , it feels like a perfect edc 📸, but the dust issues I keep hearing puts me mile away from buying it.. hope next version is dust proof.
Just my personal opinion 🙂
I think we have to keep everything in perspective if we went back say 30 years okay? Let's go back to 1995 and we were to do reviews of cameras that were around then and then we were to jump forward one year and do a re-review we would find that in 1995 till 1996 there would've been a huge jump in technology as there was pretty much every year, until just probably recently I would say the last three years technology has completely plateaued and now we basically just seen gimmick updates in the cameras. I don't own this camera, but I imagine it's a very good camera like 90% on the markets are. They're literally isn't a bad camera now and it's just whether the camera fits your hand and you like the look of it. I noticed it there is a lot of Nikon ZF's for sale. I really do wish that it had been a 32 or 36 megapixel camera just to give it a little bit more beef and a little bit more cropping ability. That's my only whinge and I know people will say 24 megapixels is enough but trust me when you've used 48 and above megapixels you do notice the difference. I have the FujiFilm XT5 and I have been intrigued by the ZF camera because it has far better auto focus not that I would shoot professionally with the ZF not because you can't. It's just that I have other cameras to shoot professionally with this I have the FujiFilm XT5 and I have been intrigued by the ZF camera because it has far better auto focus not that I would shoot professionally with the ZF not because you can't. It's just that I have other cameras to shoot professionally with this would fun camera. The only thing I don't like about it is the screen a tilt down screen is built for photographers. I don't know why they just don't make two models one with the tilt down screen for photographers and one with the flip out for the videography guys which is a little bit white Fuji film did with the XH2 and the XT5 because essentially.... They are more or less the same camera just with different screens and obviously different ways of operating the camera but the actual sensor is exactly the same
@@nevvanclarke9225 Yes all cameras are great now. I think I did say that during the review but we have become more fussy too lol. Nikon could make a screen which tilts and flips like some other brands do. It’s a fun camera to use though most the time I don’t use the retro controls really
No tilt screen, no ideal format (5:4 or 4:3) = No sale, for me.
@@DessieTots I do wonder why Nikon didn’t put a tilt screen option in either of these cameras as it will only make people angry and not buy them
I am getting my hands on the Viltrox 20mm f/2.8 tomorrow. Perfect for the Zf. Cheers!
@@randallbrander8157 Yes Viltrox are making good lenses now, is that autofocus?
I AGREE with all the comments about "shooting with one hand". this is not a camera for that. If you want to look cool shooting one handed then get a Fuji X series (X100V or Xt5 for example) they are much lighter and have retro looks. Now, STOP critiquing the ERGONOMICS. I assume folks see and feel their cameras before buying so you know what you are buying! If you have an issue with ergonomics then just GET SOMETHING ELSE. Otherwise appreciate this camera for what it is!! BTW, most professional photographers reviews praise this camera. Thanks!!
I think there was some confusion over one handed, which I meant for carrying more than shooting with, but yes it's a great camera!
Love the camera but I add a battery grip to EVERY Nikon camera I buy...........wish Nikon offered one for this camera then it would be the perfect camera....
Maybe a third party will
Great review, thank you!
@@ren1818ren is this camera for you?
@@RussandLoz I think it'll be something that I'll look into getting in the future. I've had a Sony A7iii, Panasonic GX9, Sony RX100, Fujifilm X100S, X100V, X-E4 and X-Pro2, with various lenses, some manual focus but most with autofocus. My favorite out of the bunch was the X-E4, X100V and the RX100. I ended up selling all my gear and I think what I just want is a one lens one camera system, for now at least. Would love a Leica Q3 but that's out of my budget at the moment. Will be getting an X100VI. Love the compact size, not having to decide which lens to bring and the ability to record video with its new IBIS. I'm drawn towards aesthetically pleasing cameras and the ZF is definitely beautiful, but since I'm just a hobbyist at heart the limited compact lens line up is something I'll have to wait for before jumping into the system.
Had my ZF for 3 months and I love it. Superb image and build quality. Autofocus is excellent too. The biggest downside is that using big lenses is a no no for me. I'd sooner use them on my D4 and D810.
@@paulhills1967 When I do use bigger lenses you can go carry it by the lens which isn’t great really. But it is possible
One year?
@@AndreiDimaReviews Probably 10 months but close enough lol
This review was a bit hard to watch. Between de mumbling and whispering, but I do take one big thing out of it: you bought it refurbished, and it has worked fine. A few days ago, nikon had it refurbished for $1200! So I'm keeping my eyes open for one of those
Audio is very tricky to get right for all mediums, but you're the first to say that in 222 comments. But yes, refurbed from Nikon will have a warranty from them too!
@russandloz, yeah, I get. In the end, I understood the video, so no problem. Also, did you test the shutter count when you got it?
@@1RJ2 Thanks, no I didn't, though that is less important with newer cameras and mirrorless?
I bought a Z6III ,, because I picked up My Nikon F n Said to myself ... I do not want to go back..... Dials NO, Grip Little or almost Not,,,,, NO, NO, NO !!!!! I am sure the Z6III is not perfect BUT it is "the camera for Me" !!!!!!!!!!!
@@johnyoung1606 I can understand that. The z6 size and controls are the best
This video is hilarious and informative. I wish that I could speak like that.
I love my Zf
I will NEVER buy this OR the Z6III they changed to articulating scrrns and I do not like them at all. MY Z6 and Fuji X T% have the traditional tilt screens PHOTOGRAPHERS prefer
@@Ed-lz4jv Looks like Nikon really need to make it a tilt and flip screen as they are losing sales!
The full size top screen on the Z6ii and iii is very useful
@@Digmen1 It can be yeah, the zf isn’t always as practical even with seeing the battery level etc
@@RussandLoz Does the Z6 show aperture, Shutter and ISO settings while off? This is why I've gone over to Fuji years ago and why I'm looking to get the Zf. I can see and adjust all my settings before even turning on the camera. How is that not practical.
@@domtomas1178 Only the zf can do that!
Flippy screen is the worst idea in a world when you work in the back of the camera. Nikon already had a good screen solution in Z9/Z8, which they could have populated across the whole line, but under pressure of selfie-vloggers they decided to break all the cheaper cameras for everybody else. When it comes to nostalgia I think is money grab, for this money you should feel comfortable when holding the camera.
I like the fact that I can have the screen flipped to the leather side. It stays that way 99.9% of the time. I was on a volcano in Iceland with 90+kt winds with my z9 and I had to turn back because I was worried about the tiny pebbles harming my screen. If I would have brought my Zf I don’t think I would have had that worry. Otherwise I would agree.
@@eberry023 For me it's not a good reason to break ergonomics :) Can't you use the screen protector? They are quite cheap. To be honest I'm more worried of breaking the screen when it's flipped out, because it's always in a way. Also when the camera is on strap and I do work from ground level, than the strap blocks the visibility of the screen. What I mean in general is that for me the flipout screen takes a lot of fun I have from handheld shooting. I specifically use longer lenses for wildlife/dogs, so it is also harder to aim, because screen is not in line with lens.
@@eberry023 Good point. Quite a rare situation though lol but a good example
@@kynio3433 Yes I agree. But there is a way to have both tilt and flip out. But they choose not to make it
@@RussandLoz Yes, Sony has that. I'm currently in sony system, suffering with flipout screen in A7IV. Long lens stabilisation is crap on Sony, so I would love a small Nikon with 2way tilt. There is always something with every brand. Sony has shit stabe, Canon does not have lenses I want, NIkon makes poor design decisions :)
sell to change a7cr
Does seem rather fiddley
@@jvkrause it can be. But maybe the critics are too fussy. Like me
Niether keep, nor sell.... just conduct a giveaway 😛
@@hashimali179 Sounds like a good idea! I’ll get Loz’s z8 for the competition first! 🤣🤓
@@RussandLoz…… buys safe for camera 😅
sell
@@nooddles12 Why’s that?
@@RussandLoz wasn’t ready for a follow up question (-:
i would take the funds from sell to get either: a7r v, r5, or lumix s1h
just my respectful opinion.
Based on the title, when you said professional work I stopped watching, this camera was not mean to be used for professional work. It can be as it has pro features because otherwise you would cry like babies if it didnt, although when Leica gives you a camera with literally nothing for the price of 3 of these you jizz in your pants as it is a tRuE PhOtoGraPHers cAMerA.
If you head to the Nikon website they literally show pictures of flowers and dogs and cars and people walking down the street and how many nice colors this camera has, I really dig that olive green one, it was literally made for enthusiasm and nothing else, you people gotta go to camera rehab to drop that copium regarding pro work and ZF.
Should have told Russell that before he went and used it professionally on multiple weddings 😮
@@pinkfatcap It is a very capable pro camera and I’ve used it many times for various pro work. So I would continue watching lol
Sold mine, too uncomfortable to hold, defeats the whole object of using it really
What did you get instead?
Well, I have a D4, z50, z6, and D300s, so that's enough for now. I did love the camera, but the poor grip was just too much with bigger lenses
@@MrPetebuster1 Yeah it’s strange they don’t address these issues like the flippy screen they could make tilt too
@@MrPetebuster1with bigger lenses it’s even more important to hold the lens. Why would anyone want to shoot with a long lens holding onto the camera body? With a big long lens most people would use either a monopod or a tripod.
@@peterjohnson1739 well, you still need to hold the camera, and most people don't use a tripod or monopod unless you're using a hide (wildlife}. Even then how do fire the trigger without holding a camera🤣 You hold both . The z6, z8 d4 etc are all much more comfortable and egornormiclly better to use with longer lenses. The zf wasn't designed for big lenses, Thats the point of having a nice grip which the zf lacks.