*Works great my **Latest.Bike** I have a bad knee so I still get exercise but the bike assists me. I am a big guy so I didn’t think it would go as fast but it works great.*
@@mikeyg5159 You've really hit your stride :) There are many times that I only have five or so minutes to spare on TH-cam before I must deal with kids, dogs, work, the house. I'm hoping you can do some more reviews on bikes that are in the affordable range. Any chance you can review the new Aventon Level, some of the bikes by Genze, etc.
@@tomherron4334 Thank you very much! I'll be on the lookout for cheaper bikes to review. I might get some coming in these next couple months. Micah has covered some on the channel (like the propella and the lectric xp). Most of the time I review bikes based on availability.
@@specialist-in-tech I enjoy Court also...there are times when I have 20-30 minutes to spend on TH-cam and times when I only have 5 minutes. I enjoy all the interesting places Court takes the bikes to ride---makes me want to get a rack for our four bikes (no e-bikes yet) and take off for Salt Lake City, Vancouver, Austin, etc.
Very nice! I love the upright geometry, it looks very comfortable. The dual battery pack option is going to become critical for moderate range versatility. I'm currently range testing my latest DIY build and finding the optimal balance of battery capacity to carry weight is tough. Great vid Mikey, very concise. Let's be careful throwing around 100+ mile range figures though. I realize this obsession is deeply rooted in the EV world, but when was the last time you heard someone say they wanted to ride a bike for 100 miles? Do we really need this range on a single charge? When we get into recumbent touring sure, but that's a whole different monster and usually a rare event that includes solar panels. NHTSA considers over 50 miles long range travel and my lower back gives me a strong talking to after riding 40 mi. in one day. Twenty miles each way with a long rest in between (enough to fully charge the pack) is plenty of fun for most weekend getaways. 120 miles at 20 mph is well over 6 hours. Hard pass... I don't care how comfortable that saddle is. Then there's the ongoing debate of how eBike sellers estimate range. Obviously we can cut the motor and our range will depend mostly on the capacity of our leg endurance and willingness to fight off the lactic acid demons. Personally at 250w my quads usually start to cramp up and spasm at around 15-20 miles and need a break. By the math, I see the dual option (14Ah + 11Ah) has a total capacity of 1,200 Wh (48v x 25Ah). Going by the low power 250w (20Wh per mile) eBike rule of thumb that should theoretically get us about 60 miles range max while pedaling aggressively at a 250w PAS level, going about 18-20 mph. The rule of thumb is also based on a 36v system which means 48v energy efficiency may even be slightly less. At max pas 750w we're probably looking at about 40Wh per mile or about 30 miles range tops. This is plenty for me, but will likely disappoint someone who actually wants to ride 100+ miles on a single charge. I'd also prefer 1000w+ for a long ride depending on cargo and hills. Since manufacturers likely won't standardize range testing any time soon, I think maybe we should be encouraging them to use a range - range instead. 'This 25Ah model is mathematically estimated to achieve between 60-120 miles depending on the following factors..." Also, I wonder why they chose the BBS02 instead of the BBSHD? I haven't used the BBS02 but would be curious as to how well it would handle the heat of running at 750w for 6 hours straight. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong... I look forward to seeing your real world range test. Thanks for being thorough!
eBikeaholic I understand your comments EBA. If the manufacturer is claiming 120 miles, realistically that’s 60 Hilly miles. Have the rad power bike with two batteries which is about 1300 wh, and it’s good for about 50 to 60 miles in the hills where I ride. Range may have been more two years ago, but seems I have some battery degradation after 3500 miles. Bottom line, the DOST is a very appealing dual battery machine.
Hey Mickey, If you are doing a group of bikes coming up please continue to use layover screen info referring to components on the bike. I find that to be helpful. Continue with voice overs while zooming in on the bike item you are referring to while also showing action video of actual bike riding. Your 3rd party shot are very effective showing of the bike as you go up hills,on pavement and trails.. Keep up what I call your unique personal movements shots at the beginning and ending as this just really personalizes you and the bike in a good way. I was impressed with the Dost shots illustrating the step over and the step through while the bikes were being ridden. It was obvious to me the other person who was riding personalized it by having a genuine grin. It’s easy for me to make suggestions but it comes down to story boarding all this stuff to make it work. If you were doing a group of bikes in the same video, continue to personalize each bike in your unique delivery style which only you have. If the weather was good and Sweet Pea was around, putting her on back of the bike would definitely increase sales. To give yourself more credibility, you need to wear a flashy shirt saying “I AM SWEET PEA APPROVED”. Since you have such approval your presentations will always be Sweet Pea certified. Also continue to say “SEE YOU IN THE LATER”, that has become your monicker and I always snort in laughter when I hear it. Continue the good work.
Thanks, this means a lot to me. Just this morning, Sweet Pea and I went filming for a review we've been working on for awhile. Here's some footage of a ride we did in October: th-cam.com/video/-M2Be7hJWyg/w-d-xo.html
Hello ... great concise review ... how would you compare the Dost Kope to the Biktrux Stunner X? ... you did a review on the Stunner in your old job. They seem similarly spec’d and priced but I’m leaning toward the Biktrix. Thanks
@@E-BikingAdventures what do you think about having a battery in a backpack,build a high amp battery, I bought a rear hub motor and a second hand downhill bike, not many options to mount on it as it is.
@@iamuiamu4569 you can have one where the water bottle goes and another one on a back cargo/panier rack. I don't like the back pack idea. It could cause problems if you have to get off your bike quickly for some reason or you fall off your bike. Or you could get off your bike and forget that you are attached to your bike with wires.
@@E-BikingAdventures the bike is full suspension and its tight up front, water bottle isnt an option, thought about the back too but that would be alot of extra weight in the back, could perhaps have a quick release on the cord, mostly I was concerned about potential fires from battery or problems with the battery heating up.
I'm not sure why others are saying it's too expensive. I think it's right on the mark for the feature set. 750W mid-drive with a throttle...100 pound load rack...Shimano Altus 9-speed...dual battery for 48v 25ah and a 25a controller. Please what are the other bikes that compare?
Ride1Up 700 series - nearly identical in features and style with 1000W (peak) hub-drive vs. 750W mid-drive motor and slightly better Shimano Acera gearing - $1460.00 including shipping (no bags or mirror though)
Thanks for the review! I am quite intrigued by the capabilities; other than the cadence-based motor, what's not to love? Others are decrying various aspects, but I'm seeing a lot of great features I haven't found elsewhere yet. I'm very interested in a bike that can go full-tilt while I pedal for 20+ miles at 25+mph, has fenders, rack, and mid-drive, and this bike seems like it easily fits the bill. Can anyone (electrek or otherwise) recommend another bike with those abilities but where the motor is whatever "better/best" is? I would be shocked if the price went down for a different bike with better motor from KOPE's asking price (but would welcome it, of course). I'm budget-conscious but ready to pay for the features mentioned above. Thank you!
Check the Voltbike Enduro. Does not have fenders or rack but you could probably find some at your local shop. Here, in Canada, it's $900.00 less.... $500.00 less in USA. I can't find the Dōst motor on Bafang's site...
BB I agree, if your willing to pay double (100% more) the features you noted are on the German brand Reise&Mueller. Oh, but you still don’t get a throttle for your $7000.
▪ Hey I'm a tiny step away from buying the kope. The only thing that really bugs me about this bike is how the throttle only gets to 20 ??? And you gotta pedal to get to 28 ? I find that to be weak af for something I'm paying 3-4 grand for ... Please tell me there's a way to unlock a higher speed?? 25 throttle AT LEAST .[?] I was contemplating hard between the kope and the rize MD ,,, and I was just about to order the dost,,, until I saw EBR make that statement about the speed ,,, So now I'm wondering about the rize MD again... 🟥
Out of curiosity, do you select between batteries from a switch or other controls or they are directly parallel? If the later is true do they control the flow of current between the packs when inserting the extra pack at a different charge state?
You can add another battery at any time, whether you buy it with the bike or later. Take it on and off at your leisure, no switches or anything. Like Tesla, Dōst included the chips internally in every bike.
How long does it take to recharge those batteries [I'm thinking the distance is good .. would like to do a ride from Up North down the C&O .. but split it up .. to enjoy the ride] .. just wondered about the charge time ..
It would take quite a while to charge two batteries with one charger. I'm sure you can get another from Dost. As an early adopter, you might be able to convince them to throw in a second charger.... But don't tell them I said that!
@@johnsexton3841 The charger it comes with is a 2 amp charger. The stock 14ah battery would take 7 hours to recharge if it were totally dead. The added 11ah battery would take 5.5 hours to recharge if it were totally dead. If you manage to kill them both, and have one charger, you're looking at a 12.5 hour recharge time.
@@mikeyg5159 - Thanks for the quick reply .. yes .. I hadn't considered that .. asking for a 2nd one .. good call! Thank you for a very detailed review .. been following for a good bit .. just want to make sure it meets ALL the needs .. I think this will do fine. I live on the very outskirts of 'city life' so I can get to most bike paths .. this type of ride will help me to be travel further outside of the metro [no bus or rail options] on occasion.
▪ Let me know if you found out,,, Cuz the 20 mph throttle is a big let down to me. I'm probably gonna get this one here within the next few hours regardless,, and just hope there's a way to Unlock AT LEAST a 25 throttle only minimum.... 🟥
@@mikeyg5159 ▪ Hey I'm a tiny step away from buying the kope. The only thing that really bugs me about this bike is how the throttle only gets to 20 ??? And you gotta pedal to get to 28 ? I find that to be weak af for something I'm paying 3-4 grand for ... Please tell me there's a way to unlock a higher speed?? 25 throttle AT LEAST .[?] I was contemplating hard between the kope and the rize MD ,,, and I was just about to order the dost,,, until I saw EBR make that statement about the speed ,,, So now I'm wondering about the rize MD again... 🟥
@@2NDFLB-CLERK That's a legal requirement for e-bikes in the US. Class 2 bikes (bikes with a throttle) can only go up to 20mph. It's kind of a dumb law, but it keeps the regulations down for other things. If it goes over 20mph, it's now a moped and you need turn signals, registration, and other stuff.
@@PandaPandaPandaism ▪ I understand what you're saying, but I just don't go with all that statist nonsense. As long as someone isn't flying 50 mph down a bike path, whizzing past people walking with young children, or zipping around cars like an idiot - then they're not in the wrong. I just try to apply common sense to it y'know whaddiMean. 🟥
It bothers me that this is a Canadian company and I can't tell if you are reviewing it in Amereican only. I especially worry that this bike is restricted by Canadian law to 32k/h and 500 Wh. Most non Americans can translate measurement and weight. Most reviews of ebikes from outside the US, at least, give vital information in both metric and imperial (Only 3 countries). I am really interested in buying this eBike but I have no idea how much this costs, I have no idea if this can be used in Canada and even in a best case scenario, I doubt if this bike will even reach 120 km range let alone 120 miles which is 192 km. If you at least give the price with USD, we can figure it out and be careful not to mix metric and imperial..there must be an app to translate out there.
What are some hyperlinks to some ebikes that you find not pricey? I'm in the market for a commuter bike with fenders, a rack, that can at least go 25mph while pedaling and that can get me a 20 mile round trip. Maybe the components (brakes/motor?) here are cheaper but the price for those features seems low to me
Motorcycles have the throttle on the right hand side. I think this ebike should have done the same. Having a motorcycle, I would not want to change my automatic response to a left hand throttle. Sorry. The left side is also for the front brake on bicycles and motorcycles. Throttles should be on the right hand side and that should be universally mandated in North America if it isn't already.
People have different opinions on cost vs function I get that. But for the price of some of these bikes I could get a used motorcycle and a new bike. The motorcycle will be safer on the road and go farther and the bike could be modified with electric. For me the cost just doesn't make sense. Heck I bought a new hawk 250 for 1300.00 and it has way more function than most ebikes. An electric build could set you back 600 or so. Not saying electric bikes don't have a place, just saying for myself I doesn't make sense.
Bro, people who buy bicycles don’t want a motorcycle, they’re looking for a workout. Jesus Christ you can get most motorcycles for the cost of a decent bike. You’re in the wrong room. 😂
Can you post some links to models you consider to be comparable and cheaper? I'm in the market for a commuter bike with fenders, a rack, that can at least go 25mph (while pedaling) and that can get me a 20 mile round trip. I'm not finding a lot to choose from and this price seems on the low end
120 miles my ass. At 762Wh capacity only, even if you use only 250W (out of the 750W max power), EVEN if you pedal, you'll only get 61 miles. Anything less than 250W shouldn't be used as calculations for assist even in long distance. For 120 miles+ you need at least 52, 25Ah = 1300Wh at 250W, pedaling at 20mph.
That 120 mile range that they claim is NOT possible on a 750w hungry motor and controller. That kind of motor is going to suck the life out of those batteries if you go more than 20mph. Even going more than 15mph or avg speed at 12mph, you are not getting more than 50 miles with both batteries. The max you could do is around 60 miles on flat terrain, sunny day, lowest level assist, no wind, but doesnt matter if pedal assist or soft throttle, full throttle, the controller and its 750w motor nominal (peak is probably 1200w+) dont care if you go throttle or pedal assist. Good luck in the winter especially in the coldest days, you are not getting more than 30 miles with 2 batteries. This is a very fast ebike, powerful motor but that means your range is severely affected. A Bosch ebike at 36v 250w or even the 350w speed ebikes with these batteries would get 70 miles minimum and more than 130 miles on lowest level assist. I just dont understand why everyone is moving to 48v systems especially with 700w+ motors, that is so overkill. Unless you lived in very hilly areas like SFrancisco that pedal assist is inefficient, and you need this type of motor power plus the throttle to flatten those hills, but other than that the 750w is really overkill.
Wolf, like a lot of guys on the Internet, you're clearly making claims based on no hands-on experience whatsoever. I have a nearly identical bike (Ride1Up 700 series) that uses a 48v, 14.2AH battery (and much LESS efficient 1000W hub-drive motor) and despite my bike being one of the heavier e-bikes on the market, I just tested the maximum range using your scenario (flat terrain, sunny day, lowest level assist, blah blah) and got 62.5 miles out of a SINGLE battery charge as I was able to turn off the PAS during downhill descents and use minimal PAS only on hill climbs. Having another 11AH battery in this case along with a much more efficient mid-drive motor would easily do over 100 miles in similar conditions. Now post your REAL world results using YOUR bike or stop making speculative comments that are ridiculous.
Hate to say it buddy but not every product is made for you, products like this are for (like he said in the video) the average dude and this is designed to be a good way to enter the electric scene.
Robert, your $200 mountain bike probably looks better. This thing looks like something a 60 yr old would ride to a pride parade. Racks look hideous and add weight, fenders barely help and detract from the looks. I like the Evelo Aries Mid Drive, its expensive AF but comes with a 4 year/20,000 mile warranty. The warranty for me does it, Ive broken a frame on my Specialized Levo (didnt even slam that hard) and had numerous issues with the Liv. My next bike will be the Evelo even though its $3500, it far outweighs the issues Ive seen with home conversion kits. As far as showing off, I could care less, I just want a decent ride with decent performance without worrying about shit breaking
lol 120 miles is longer than I want to be on a bike seat normally. I've got family who are heavier, and they look for long range bikes, only because they need something that can handle a large load.
It seems like range is largely marketed as the lowest assistance mode. If you like to ride hard/fast, maybe 60 miles is your true range ability and if you don't like plugging in every day this marketed range is actually pretty exciting. Most people are shooting for 50 miles which can grind down to 10-15 on high performance modes and eventually would be even less due to wear/tear, no? I like to see someone offering additional range / amp hours.
Other than the fact the components are integrated, there's nothing to justify their asking price. No real innovation, outdated drive, overpriced battery option.
Can you provide a link to a model with real innovation, modern drive, and otherwise comparable abilities? I like the speed, range, tires, and option for additional battery but haven't found a lot of options to choose from. I have a feeling that any other bike manufacturer with the innovation you allude to would cause the price to go up which makes me feel like the asking price is fair.
Alex D. There’s the budget ebikes at $1500, the DOST is priced fairly for what you get. once you get past budget ebikes prices quickly ramp up to $3000 and beyond, topping out around $11,000 for the top of the line Riese&Muller, but you cant get a throttle on a Bosch mid drive.
There's no other mid-drive bike that offers the same things this one does in this price category. I'd also say they are innovating with this bike, given that it can be configured as Class 1, Class 2, or Class 3 bike right out of the box without aftermarket parts. You go on the road one day and go trail riding the next without much hassle.
Depends on weight and assist level used. My wife did 22 miles last weekend on her 36v/8ah battery 250w (19amp peak contoller) ebike and only dropped from 100% change 42v to 39v (30v is her bms cutoff). She used pas 1 of 3 mostly. I bought her a spare 36v/10ah LiFePO4 (lithium ion phosphate) battery (put on rear rack) and she hasn't even used it yet.
*Works great my **Latest.Bike** I have a bad knee so I still get exercise but the bike assists me. I am a big guy so I didn’t think it would go as fast but it works great.*
Great review. You do a good job with voice overs while putting the bike through it’s paces.
I'm glad you like it! Lemme know if you have any suggestions, because I'm getting ready to film a grip of about 10 bikes soon.
That extra battery is way to expensive such a dealbreaker
Mikey is doing great with these shorter, to the point videos. I love them!
Thanks! I'm much more accustomed to this format.
@@mikeyg5159 You've really hit your stride :) There are many times that I only have five or so minutes to spare on TH-cam before I must deal with kids, dogs, work, the house.
I'm hoping you can do some more reviews on bikes that are in the affordable range. Any chance you can review the new Aventon Level, some of the bikes by Genze, etc.
@@tomherron4334 Thank you very much! I'll be on the lookout for cheaper bikes to review. I might get some coming in these next couple months. Micah has covered some on the channel (like the propella and the lectric xp). Most of the time I review bikes based on availability.
@@specialist-in-tech I enjoy Court also...there are times when I have 20-30 minutes to spend on TH-cam and times when I only have 5 minutes. I enjoy all the interesting places Court takes the bikes to ride---makes me want to get a rack for our four bikes (no e-bikes yet) and take off for Salt Lake City, Vancouver, Austin, etc.
@@tomherron4334 lemme know if you pass SLC, we might be able to coordinate a ride or something
Very nice! I love the upright geometry, it looks very comfortable. The dual battery pack option is going to become critical for moderate range versatility. I'm currently range testing my latest DIY build and finding the optimal balance of battery capacity to carry weight is tough. Great vid Mikey, very concise.
Let's be careful throwing around 100+ mile range figures though. I realize this obsession is deeply rooted in the EV world, but when was the last time you heard someone say they wanted to ride a bike for 100 miles? Do we really need this range on a single charge? When we get into recumbent touring sure, but that's a whole different monster and usually a rare event that includes solar panels. NHTSA considers over 50 miles long range travel and my lower back gives me a strong talking to after riding 40 mi. in one day. Twenty miles each way with a long rest in between (enough to fully charge the pack) is plenty of fun for most weekend getaways. 120 miles at 20 mph is well over 6 hours. Hard pass... I don't care how comfortable that saddle is.
Then there's the ongoing debate of how eBike sellers estimate range. Obviously we can cut the motor and our range will depend mostly on the capacity of our leg endurance and willingness to fight off the lactic acid demons. Personally at 250w my quads usually start to cramp up and spasm at around 15-20 miles and need a break.
By the math, I see the dual option (14Ah + 11Ah) has a total capacity of 1,200 Wh (48v x 25Ah). Going by the low power 250w (20Wh per mile) eBike rule of thumb that should theoretically get us about 60 miles range max while pedaling aggressively at a 250w PAS level, going about 18-20 mph. The rule of thumb is also based on a 36v system which means 48v energy efficiency may even be slightly less.
At max pas 750w we're probably looking at about 40Wh per mile or about 30 miles range tops. This is plenty for me, but will likely disappoint someone who actually wants to ride 100+ miles on a single charge. I'd also prefer 1000w+ for a long ride depending on cargo and hills.
Since manufacturers likely won't standardize range testing any time soon, I think maybe we should be encouraging them to use a range - range instead. 'This 25Ah model is mathematically estimated to achieve between 60-120 miles depending on the following factors..."
Also, I wonder why they chose the BBS02 instead of the BBSHD? I haven't used the BBS02 but would be curious as to how well it would handle the heat of running at 750w for 6 hours straight. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong... I look forward to seeing your real world range test. Thanks for being thorough!
eBikeaholic I understand your comments EBA. If the manufacturer is claiming 120 miles, realistically that’s 60 Hilly miles. Have the rad power bike with two batteries which is about 1300 wh, and it’s good for about 50 to 60 miles in the hills where I ride. Range may have been more two years ago, but seems I have some battery degradation after 3500 miles. Bottom line, the DOST is a very appealing dual battery machine.
Hey Mickey, If you are doing a group of bikes coming up please continue to use layover screen info referring to components on the bike. I find that to be helpful. Continue with voice overs while zooming in on the bike item you are referring to while also showing action video of actual bike riding. Your 3rd party shot are very effective showing of the bike as you go up hills,on pavement and trails.. Keep up what I call your unique personal movements shots at the beginning and ending as this just really personalizes you and the bike in a good way. I was impressed with the Dost shots illustrating the step over and the step through while the bikes were being ridden. It was obvious to me the other person who was riding personalized it by having a genuine grin. It’s easy for me to make suggestions but it comes down to story boarding all this stuff to make it work. If you were doing a group of bikes in the same video, continue to personalize each bike in your unique delivery style which only you have. If the weather was good and Sweet Pea was around, putting her on back of the bike would definitely increase sales. To give yourself more credibility, you need to wear a flashy shirt saying “I AM SWEET PEA APPROVED”. Since you have such approval your presentations will always be Sweet Pea certified. Also continue to say “SEE YOU IN THE LATER”, that has become your monicker and I always snort in laughter when I hear it. Continue the good work.
Thanks, this means a lot to me.
Just this morning, Sweet Pea and I went filming for a review we've been working on for awhile. Here's some footage of a ride we did in October:
th-cam.com/video/-M2Be7hJWyg/w-d-xo.html
Hello ... great concise review ... how would you compare the Dost Kope to the Biktrux Stunner X? ... you did a review on the Stunner in your old job. They seem similarly spec’d and priced but I’m leaning toward the Biktrix. Thanks
I like the dual battery option
Yeh really good.
No need to have second battery all week just pop it in at weekend
Any ebike has a dual battery option. And you don't need to spend $700 just for an 11ah battery.
@@E-BikingAdventures what do you think about having a battery in a backpack,build a high amp battery, I bought a rear hub motor and a second hand downhill bike, not many options to mount on it as it is.
@@iamuiamu4569 you can have one where the water bottle goes and another one on a back cargo/panier rack. I don't like the back pack idea. It could cause problems if you have to get off your bike quickly for some reason or you fall off your bike. Or you could get off your bike and forget that you are attached to your bike with wires.
@@E-BikingAdventures the bike is full suspension and its tight up front, water bottle isnt an option, thought about the back too but that would be alot of extra weight in the back, could perhaps have a quick release on the cord, mostly I was concerned about potential fires from battery or problems with the battery heating up.
I'm not sure why others are saying it's too expensive. I think it's right on the mark for the feature set. 750W mid-drive with a throttle...100 pound load rack...Shimano Altus 9-speed...dual battery for 48v 25ah and a 25a controller. Please what are the other bikes that compare?
Juiced cross current x
@@epictroy yeah the Juiced CCX is on my short list too...biggest difference being a rear hub motor.
@@wolverinesfight1213 i came from the radcity 2019 to the CCX and it's amazing but this bike looks amazing as well
people are comparing hub to mid. i just ordered two Dost bikes.
Ride1Up 700 series - nearly identical in features and style with 1000W (peak) hub-drive vs. 750W mid-drive motor and slightly better Shimano Acera gearing - $1460.00 including shipping (no bags or mirror though)
Extra battery attachment is a great idea
It's pretty cool; All bikes include the internal wiring and mounts, and you can add it on any time you decide for it.
Can you get an upgraded battery 750w 21amp hr.???
Nice reviews!
Thanks for the review! I am quite intrigued by the capabilities; other than the cadence-based motor, what's not to love?
Others are decrying various aspects, but I'm seeing a lot of great features I haven't found elsewhere yet. I'm very interested in a bike that can go full-tilt while I pedal for 20+ miles at 25+mph, has fenders, rack, and mid-drive, and this bike seems like it easily fits the bill. Can anyone (electrek or otherwise) recommend another bike with those abilities but where the motor is whatever "better/best" is?
I would be shocked if the price went down for a different bike with better motor from KOPE's asking price (but would welcome it, of course). I'm budget-conscious but ready to pay for the features mentioned above.
Thank you!
Check the Voltbike Enduro. Does not have fenders or rack but you could probably find some at your local shop. Here, in Canada, it's $900.00 less.... $500.00 less in USA. I can't find the Dōst motor on Bafang's site...
BB I agree, if your willing to pay double (100% more) the features you noted are on the German brand Reise&Mueller. Oh, but you still don’t get a throttle for your $7000.
Great bikes in most every way. Fail on only having cadence sensor for pedal assist tho...
The second battery is on sale. Get it while you can. I own the Kope and the Drop.
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Hey I'm a tiny step away from buying the kope. The only thing that really bugs me about this bike is how the throttle only gets to 20 ??? And you gotta pedal to get to 28 ?
I find that to be weak af for something I'm paying 3-4 grand for ...
Please tell me there's a way to unlock a higher speed??
25 throttle AT LEAST .[?]
I was contemplating hard between the kope and the rize MD ,,, and I was just about to order the dost,,, until I saw EBR make that statement about the speed ,,,
So now I'm wondering about the rize MD again...
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Great review, how tall are you and what’s your inseam? Will it truly fit an olde timer with a 34” inseam?
yes, the kope will fore sure
Battery is waterproof??
Could not hear the audio!?
Out of curiosity, do you select between batteries from a switch or other controls or they are directly parallel? If the later is true do they control the flow of current between the packs when inserting the extra pack at a different charge state?
You can add another battery at any time, whether you buy it with the bike or later. Take it on and off at your leisure, no switches or anything. Like Tesla, Dōst included the chips internally in every bike.
+Pașca Alexandru They will work in tandem and by by alternating flow - Which won't wear down a particular battery faster than the other.
Great value. Something like this normally starts at a higher price.
Does it have torque detection?
What about regenerative braking? That would've been really helpful going downhill.
Without a hub motor, regen is pretty tough.
Disagree, I have a regen motor on a RAD City and it limits your max downhill top speed to about 29 mph as the motor drags starting at 25 mph.
@@oldtimer3824 I'm assuming the RAD City has a hub motor, is that right?
@@mikeyg5159 I believe it has a direct drive hub motor.
I'm glad to see a bike with a cadence sensor. If my 55+ year old knees could generate torque, I might not be riding an e-bike!
Can you order it without the ugly rack?
Stuck with the rack.
Nope, THEY are stuck with the rack, Im ordering a different bike
@@rovidbouski4022 We review lots of bikes, I'm sure you'll find one without a rack.
Mikey, I already did. I opted for the Evelo Aries mid drive, it looks good, performs well, has rear suspension and no rack
@@rovidbouski4022 cool. hope you enjoy it
I think many riders with experience want the more sophisticated pedal assist systems that combine torque, cadence, and speed sensors. I know I do...
Nerd
How long does it take to recharge those batteries [I'm thinking the distance is good .. would like to do a ride from Up North down the C&O .. but split it up .. to enjoy the ride] .. just wondered about the charge time ..
It would take quite a while to charge two batteries with one charger. I'm sure you can get another from Dost. As an early adopter, you might be able to convince them to throw in a second charger.... But don't tell them I said that!
@@mikeyg5159 What is the charge time on the one battery?
@@johnsexton3841 The charger it comes with is a 2 amp charger. The stock 14ah battery would take 7 hours to recharge if it were totally dead. The added 11ah battery would take 5.5 hours to recharge if it were totally dead.
If you manage to kill them both, and have one charger, you're looking at a 12.5 hour recharge time.
@@mikeyg5159 - Thanks for the quick reply .. yes .. I hadn't considered that .. asking for a 2nd one .. good call!
Thank you for a very detailed review .. been following for a good bit .. just want to make sure it meets ALL the needs .. I think this will do fine.
I live on the very outskirts of 'city life' so I can get to most bike paths .. this type of ride will help me to be travel further outside of the metro [no bus or rail options] on occasion.
Wonder what the top speed is I'm sure you could hack it maybe 30 plus????
oh well hello! fancy meeting you here haha
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Let me know if you found out,,,
Cuz the 20 mph throttle is a big let down to me. I'm probably gonna get this one here within the next few hours regardless,, and just hope there's a way to Unlock AT LEAST a 25 throttle only minimum....
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They're seriously charging 700 dollars for an 11Ah battery? Wow.
If it helps, they have an early adopter price for the additional battery pack.
They are currently charging $350.00 on their website for that extra battery.
Additional battery is their Profit center
Is it pedal assist only?
it's got a throttle
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Hey I'm a tiny step away from buying the kope. The only thing that really bugs me about this bike is how the throttle only gets to 20 ??? And you gotta pedal to get to 28 ?
I find that to be weak af for something I'm paying 3-4 grand for ...
Please tell me there's a way to unlock a higher speed??
25 throttle AT LEAST .[?]
I was contemplating hard between the kope and the rize MD ,,, and I was just about to order the dost,,, until I saw EBR make that statement about the speed ,,,
So now I'm wondering about the rize MD again...
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@@2NDFLB-CLERK That's a legal requirement for e-bikes in the US. Class 2 bikes (bikes with a throttle) can only go up to 20mph. It's kind of a dumb law, but it keeps the regulations down for other things. If it goes over 20mph, it's now a moped and you need turn signals, registration, and other stuff.
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I understand what you're saying, but I just don't go with all that statist nonsense. As long as someone isn't flying 50 mph down a bike path, whizzing past people walking with young children, or zipping around cars like an idiot - then they're not in the wrong. I just try to apply common sense to it y'know whaddiMean.
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Great review
It bothers me that this is a Canadian company and I can't tell if you are reviewing it in Amereican only. I especially worry that this bike is restricted by Canadian law to 32k/h and 500 Wh.
Most non Americans can translate measurement and weight. Most reviews of ebikes from outside the US, at least, give vital information in both metric and imperial (Only 3 countries). I am really interested in buying this eBike but I have no idea how much this costs, I have no idea if this can be used in Canada and even in a best case scenario, I doubt if this bike will even reach 120 km range let alone 120 miles which is 192 km. If you at least give the price with USD, we can figure it out and be careful not to mix metric and imperial..there must be an app to translate out there.
Have the kope. Real world range is approx 20 miles on flattish roads at assist level 2 at 185 pounds. With the 1 battery.
You have one?
The price.... naa
$2799, that's like three months of rent to me.
@@DOGMAN201322 Whats your point?
It’s a good price for the level of features and dual battery option. Or buy a Riese & Müller dual battery eBike for $7000+
Kinda pricey, but one of the very few bikes I've seen Mikey review that I watch to the end. Sorry to say, I prefer Micah.
To each his own.
What are some hyperlinks to some ebikes that you find not pricey? I'm in the market for a commuter bike with fenders, a rack, that can at least go 25mph while pedaling and that can get me a 20 mile round trip. Maybe the components (brakes/motor?) here are cheaper but the price for those features seems low to me
Motorcycles have the throttle on the right hand side. I think this ebike should have done the same. Having a motorcycle, I would not want to change my automatic response to a left hand throttle. Sorry. The left side is also for the front brake on bicycles and motorcycles. Throttles should be on the right hand side and that should be universally mandated in North America if it isn't already.
What happend to electricbikereview ? New job?
Yup
120 is much better than the zero miles I got from the bike they never mailed me. DOST is a criminal organization.
48X14= 672 WH OR +33.6 MILES LESS WITH FULL THROTTLE. SO SPECS WAY OFF. Don't forget, Use of battery is only 85% on most battery use.
People have different opinions on cost vs function I get that. But for the price of some of these bikes I could get a used motorcycle and a new bike. The motorcycle will be safer on the road and go farther and the bike could be modified with electric. For me the cost just doesn't make sense. Heck I bought a new hawk 250 for 1300.00 and it has way more function than most ebikes. An electric build could set you back 600 or so. Not saying electric bikes don't have a place, just saying for myself I doesn't make sense.
Bro, people who buy bicycles don’t want a motorcycle, they’re looking for a workout. Jesus Christ you can get most motorcycles for the cost of a decent bike. You’re in the wrong room. 😂
Dost doesn't honor the Hassle Free Policy if you need repairs on warranty FYI they will reimburse you instead.
A 300lb rider will not get that milage. But is a bike wort $3000. But it will be cold inthe winter snows and be dangerous on the highway.
Looking for an e-bike to ride to Yellowstone from Seattle! I could just by a used Honda car for $3000! This bike is ten times too expensive!
Yellowstone is still nice in a honda
Have you changed your policy on Reviews did they pay or provide the bike for free sounds like an advert rather than a review
They paid for a brief trip to Vancouver.
@@mikeyg5159 Ok thanks for the reply
Good stuff but just too pricey! There are many good ,cheaper options around.
Can you post some links to models you consider to be comparable and cheaper?
I'm in the market for a commuter bike with fenders, a rack, that can at least go 25mph (while pedaling) and that can get me a 20 mile round trip. I'm not finding a lot to choose from and this price seems on the low end
120 miles my ass. At 762Wh capacity only, even if you use only 250W (out of the 750W max power), EVEN if you pedal, you'll only get 61 miles.
Anything less than 250W shouldn't be used as calculations for assist even in long distance.
For 120 miles+ you need at least 52, 25Ah = 1300Wh at 250W, pedaling at 20mph.
o please, you can't get 120 miles on a 26 ah battery , that's just bs.
no thank you, I will buy the Ukranian world record breaker bike.
Unfortunately DOST has closed their doors. 😔🙄😟
That 120 mile range that they claim is NOT possible on a 750w hungry motor and controller.
That kind of motor is going to suck the life out of those batteries if you go more than 20mph.
Even going more than 15mph or avg speed at 12mph, you are not getting more than 50 miles with both batteries.
The max you could do is around 60 miles on flat terrain, sunny day, lowest level assist, no wind, but doesnt matter if pedal assist or soft throttle, full throttle, the controller and its 750w motor nominal (peak is probably 1200w+) dont care if you go throttle or pedal assist.
Good luck in the winter especially in the coldest days, you are not getting more than 30 miles with 2 batteries.
This is a very fast ebike, powerful motor but that means your range is severely affected.
A Bosch ebike at 36v 250w or even the 350w speed ebikes with these batteries would get 70 miles minimum and more than 130 miles on lowest level assist.
I just dont understand why everyone is moving to 48v systems especially with 700w+ motors, that is so overkill. Unless you lived in very hilly areas like SFrancisco that pedal assist is inefficient, and you need this type of motor power plus the throttle to flatten those hills, but other than that the 750w is really overkill.
Wolf, like a lot of guys on the Internet, you're clearly making claims based on no hands-on experience whatsoever. I have a nearly identical bike (Ride1Up 700 series) that uses a 48v, 14.2AH battery (and much LESS efficient 1000W hub-drive motor) and despite my bike being one of the heavier e-bikes on the market, I just tested the maximum range using your scenario (flat terrain, sunny day, lowest level assist, blah blah) and got 62.5 miles out of a SINGLE battery charge as I was able to turn off the PAS during downhill descents and use minimal PAS only on hill climbs. Having another 11AH battery in this case along with a much more efficient mid-drive motor would easily do over 100 miles in similar conditions. Now post your REAL world results using YOUR bike or stop making speculative comments that are ridiculous.
$700 for an 11ah battery? I'll stick with converting my $200 mountain bike and save $2000.
Hate to say it buddy but not every product is made for you, products like this are for (like he said in the video) the average dude and this is designed to be a good way to enter the electric scene.
@@marktuttle. You're right. Over priced is for rich spoiled show offs. Not for me.
Robert, your $200 mountain bike probably looks better. This thing looks like something a 60 yr old would ride to a pride parade. Racks look hideous and add weight, fenders barely help and detract from the looks. I like the Evelo Aries Mid Drive, its expensive AF but comes with a 4 year/20,000 mile warranty. The warranty for me does it, Ive broken a frame on my Specialized Levo (didnt even slam that hard) and had numerous issues with the Liv. My next bike will be the Evelo even though its $3500, it far outweighs the issues Ive seen with home conversion kits. As far as showing off, I could care less, I just want a decent ride with decent performance without worrying about shit breaking
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At that price for such shitty specs, it's made for clueless rich people, NOT the average joe.
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120 miles?...no thanks, i aint riding the Tour De France. Lectric XP is good enough.
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120 miles is longer than I want to be on a bike seat normally. I've got family who are heavier, and they look for long range bikes, only because they need something that can handle a large load.
It seems like range is largely marketed as the lowest assistance mode. If you like to ride hard/fast, maybe 60 miles is your true range ability and if you don't like plugging in every day this marketed range is actually pretty exciting. Most people are shooting for 50 miles which can grind down to 10-15 on high performance modes and eventually would be even less due to wear/tear, no? I like to see someone offering additional range / amp hours.
Not affordable. Could spend that money on way more important/necessary things. Good review video though.
i cant wait to get my radrover! blows this bike away
Not even close man...enjoy that 350W motor they've marketed as 500W, ha!
120 miles? I call this bullshit
Other than the fact the components are integrated, there's nothing to justify their asking price. No real innovation, outdated drive, overpriced battery option.
Can you provide a link to a model with real innovation, modern drive, and otherwise comparable abilities? I like the speed, range, tires, and option for additional battery but haven't found a lot of options to choose from. I have a feeling that any other bike manufacturer with the innovation you allude to would cause the price to go up which makes me feel like the asking price is fair.
BB Eight truth
Alex D. There’s the budget ebikes at $1500, the DOST is priced fairly for what you get. once you get past budget ebikes prices quickly ramp up to $3000 and beyond, topping out around $11,000 for the top of the line Riese&Muller, but you cant get a throttle on a Bosch mid drive.
There's no other mid-drive bike that offers the same things this one does in this price category. I'd also say they are innovating with this bike, given that it can be configured as Class 1, Class 2, or Class 3 bike right out of the box without aftermarket parts. You go on the road one day and go trail riding the next without much hassle.
Each battery gives a 15 mile range for a total of 30 miles.
Depends on weight and assist level used. My wife did 22 miles last weekend on her 36v/8ah battery 250w (19amp peak contoller) ebike and only dropped from 100% change 42v to 39v (30v is her bms cutoff). She used pas 1 of 3 mostly. I bought her a spare 36v/10ah LiFePO4 (lithium ion phosphate) battery (put on rear rack) and she hasn't even used it yet.
Too much!