I think that composing this way, the two, Haydn and Vanhal, used both the brain and the heart, but in different proportions ... :) (yes, I liked your analogy, thanks).
Jean-Baptiste Des Prez Vanhal’s earlier works - up to about 1780 are very interesting and generally compare well with most of his contemporaries, except when his fine minor key works are compared to Haydn’s greatest sturm und drang works, then the comparison is less flattering. After 1780, Vanhal’s works are generally less impressive, there is a strong feel of his pandering to Viennese publishers wishes for saleable easy to perform chamber music, some of which to my ears is quite facile and empty; he composed no symphonies post-1780. Vanhal did in this later period also compose a number of works for the church which are never less than professionally competent; inevitably however, once again when compared to Mozart’s Requiem, or any of Haydn’s masses for example, Vanhal is left way behind. I don’t disagree with your opening statement, though I do think there is more to Haydn than ‘brain’, and more to pre-1780 Vanhal than ‘heart’, though rather less post-1780, and much of Vanhal’s later work appears to have been written pretty much on autopilot.
For many music lovers, Sturm und Drang evokes the stormy symphonies with minor keys that Haydn composed around 1770. It is not a label that Haydn or his contemporaries would have recognized. It was not until 1909, the centenary of his Haydn's death, the French musicologist Théodore de Wyzewa used the term to describe the outbreak of anxiety with minor keys in his music. However, what you say is possible, but which of Haydn's symphonies do you mean?
@@sibarit101 Yes, I know that. Mostly the no. 44 "Trauer" but also a mixture of the other minor keyed Symphonies of the 1765-1773 period by Papa Haydn.
KBS classic fm ーkong: app name ー에서 처음 알게되었는데, 오늘 e minor 교향곡을 듣게 되어 다시 들어보고 있다. 모짜르트, 하이든의 시대 작곡자라니... 때로 나는 모짜르, 하이든의 교향곡이 진짜 듣기가 힘들 때가 있는데... 나의 이상한 귀는 모찌르트 당대의 음악적 취향을 이해하지 못하는 ㅡ나쁜 귀ㅡ일까 고민한 적이 많았는데 ...체코 출신 이 보헤미아 작곡자는 동시대 작곡자와 좀다른 소리를 들려준다? 알게되어 기쁜 1750년대 작곡자...
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@@sibarit101 Thank you very much for upload Lady Sibarit ,Vanhal was one the prolific composers of his times
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Haydn composed symphonies with his brain, and Vanhal composed symphonies with his heart. Wouldn't that be an accurate analogy?
I think that composing this way, the two, Haydn and Vanhal, used both the brain and the heart, but in different proportions ... :) (yes, I liked your analogy, thanks).
Jean-Baptiste Des Prez
Vanhal’s earlier works - up to about 1780 are very interesting and generally compare well with most of his contemporaries, except when his fine minor key works are compared to Haydn’s greatest sturm und drang works, then the comparison is less flattering.
After 1780, Vanhal’s works are generally less impressive, there is a strong feel of his pandering to Viennese publishers wishes for saleable easy to perform chamber music, some of which to my ears is quite facile and empty; he composed no symphonies post-1780.
Vanhal did in this later period also compose a number of works for the church which are never less than professionally competent; inevitably however, once again when compared to Mozart’s Requiem, or any of Haydn’s masses for example, Vanhal is left way behind.
I don’t disagree with your opening statement, though I do think there is more to Haydn than ‘brain’, and more to pre-1780 Vanhal than ‘heart’, though rather less post-1780, and much of Vanhal’s later work appears to have been written pretty much on autopilot.
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It reminds me a bit the "sturm und drang" Symphonies by Haydn of the same period.
For many music lovers, Sturm und Drang evokes the stormy symphonies with minor keys that Haydn composed around 1770. It is not a label that Haydn or his contemporaries would have recognized. It was not until 1909, the centenary of his Haydn's death, the French musicologist Théodore de Wyzewa used the term to describe the outbreak of anxiety with minor keys in his music.
However, what you say is possible, but which of Haydn's symphonies do you mean?
@@sibarit101 Yes, I know that. Mostly the no. 44 "Trauer" but also a mixture of the other minor keyed Symphonies of the 1765-1773 period by Papa Haydn.
@@simoneliloni6117 OK. Thanks.
KBS classic fm ーkong: app name ー에서
처음 알게되었는데, 오늘 e minor 교향곡을 듣게 되어 다시 들어보고 있다.
모짜르트, 하이든의 시대 작곡자라니...
때로 나는 모짜르, 하이든의 교향곡이
진짜 듣기가 힘들 때가 있는데...
나의 이상한 귀는 모찌르트 당대의 음악적 취향을 이해하지 못하는 ㅡ나쁜 귀ㅡ일까 고민한 적이 많았는데
...체코 출신 이 보헤미아 작곡자는
동시대 작곡자와 좀다른 소리를 들려준다?
알게되어 기쁜 1750년대 작곡자...