Disabling the NES Lockout Chip - Blinking NES Hack
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2014
- Watch me disable this original Nintendo system's lockout chip
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one tip I will give people trying this - is when you put the cartridge loading mechanism back on - you might find it doesnt sit flat and seems to be incorrectly placed, and then when you screw it in, the mechanism wont stay down. this is because theres a small plastic tab at the front of the mechanism - that needs to be under the circuit board and not sitting on top of it. a small amount of jiggling the mechanism around when you first slide it in will get it in the right place. screwing the mechanism down when the tab is placed on top will bend the mechanism and the circuit board - could break it possibly. be careful of that.
Thanks for the tip! That really helped me.
Another tip is to slide the mechanism and secure the plastic tab before you secure the entire board to the case.
You dont even have to remove it.. take out the silver screws and leave the 2 gold screws in it.
As annoying as hell it is for it to cause the system to blink, that chip is what saved the video game industry and made it possible for Nintendo to reject crappy games (they learned from Atari's mistake that caused the video game crash of '83). I just wish I would have known about this mod when I owned an NES as a kid!
+thebestofall007 interesting point!
yeah but there are plenty of "crappy games" on the NES and most of them have the big N seal of approval
nice narrative but it isn't true
And that's why Nintendo made developers pay a non-refundable fee for them to publish the games on the cartridge for their system, so even if Nintendo approved the game and it had the "seal", they would not be out of any money if the game tanked, and the developers were the ones who took all the risks, so there was a much stronger incentive for them to make good games (plus Nintendo had to regain the trust of retailers who took bruising losses and gamers fed up with bad games). Nintendo made the hardware the software goes on, while the game developers made the software. These restrictions were, however, more relaxed later in the NES's life cycle, and later models, especially the top loader, didn't even have this chip. Yes, there will always be crappy games in any generation of gaming, but not like what happened to Atari.
thebestofall007 Incedently, when it came to the 3do, one of the main things that Trip Hawkins had in mind for the system was to greately lower those publishing fees in order to create a more developer friendly environment hence why, in turn, the price of the 3do was so high. Of course it backfired somewhat when it came to cheap games such as the now infamous Plummers Don't Wear Ties. It also didn't help that the 3do itself was more of a transitional console than the next big step (similar to the Dreamcast in that regard). As a result, if you were a developer for the 3do, you either had the choice of developing 2d games that didn't fully take advantage of the consoles capabilities or ambitious 3d games that prove to be a bit too much practically for the system to handle. With that context, it's not hard to see why the console basically became irrelevant once machines that could better support the 3d aspects that the 3do touted such as the playstation arrived on the scene. For what it was worth, the 3do was a daring experiment to go against the somewhat archaic system that nintendo was employing even if it didn't work out in the end.
uh, there were quite lot of crappy offical games.
Subbed for the thorough visual and teardown. Keep it up!
I have disabled the CIC chip on a couple NESs. I like to desolder that one pin and pull it out away from the board. It will work leaving that pin floating but it really should be tied to ground. You can use a short jumper and tie it to the ground for the chip.
I got on here to make sure exactly what pin to cut so thanks a lot for a clear view of it all. I had a really finnicky NES which I cleaned the 72 pin & bent the pins up a bit but still yet when I would power on the game I would get perfect image but constant state of blinking light. Cutting the pin on the lockout chip and all was resolved. Thanks for sharing.
Fellas Fellas, here is a simple solution. I don't know how many of you have refurbished or repaired NES Consoles but I have refurbished a few hundred since I started and have a killed and fried many as well. So here's the shit: Take the console apart completely, next clean the mother board and copper pins. Next clean the 72 pin connector, boil it in boiling water, yes boil the shit out of it, then pull the pins back to a tighter fit, always clean your games and put the console back together and BAM! Works every time. There are many videos and different varieties you can use and I have learned from many TH-camrs and applied my own unique style over experience and works like a charm. I can play foreign games, pirated games and never see a blinking screen ever. Oh yeah you have to disable the lockout chip as well. This is a fun hobby and everyone has their own opinion. So just enjoy it, share your ideas and stop being a know it all and have fun. Thank you 8bit Junkie for this bad ass video. Ignore the Trolls. : )
true story. clean games and boil. if that doesn't work, bend pins. if and only if doing all of the above doesn't fix it, or you want to region unlock, disable the 10nes.
you're welcome. never feed the trolls.
I wish we had youtube back in 1987 when I was blowing the shit out of my games.
1987 Baby here ✌😜
Hehe I guess you could say you blew them pretty hard
I had one when they came out.. I don't think I EVER had the blinking light issue. I wish I knew what the heck I did with my original NES. Now, I'm happy to have one back in my collection - that sometimes blinks. I'll get around to fixing it.
I have the similar problem, blinking and jumping image. I cleaned the 72-pin, I even replaced it with another original 72-pin and it still produces the same problem. It's not a big deal bc once I restart the system it fixes itself. But I still wonder what causes the initial blinking when I turn the system on for the first time, and every single time. Could disabling the chip work?
where do u get the godo quality 72 pins?
Boiling the pin connector actually works really well!
I wish I had known sooner; got a replacement 72 pin connector in 2007 and now, I gotta get me a Blinking Light Win...
I tried this on four NES consoles recently. All four of them still blinking :(
@@Yamigata try doin what this review did
@@Yamigata boiled my pins a couple days ago and NES works great. Helps if you clean your games too. Most of mine don't have dust sleeves. Even a tiny amount of dust can still affect connection.
What do you mean by boiling the pin? Literally using a solder iron and heat up every single pin?
You earned a subscribe from me it worked it still needs some work but it finally turned on and worked for me thank you so much
+Miguel Sotomayor awesome! you're welcome.
So why remove the 4th pin on the Nintendo chip? Do you have to do that when you clean or replace the 72 pin connector?
Help. What size screwdriver do I need? All of mine are either too large or too small, and the screws seem like they’re so tight I can’t get a grip to unscrew them…
#2 phillips head driver. Standard length should reach the deep wells
Is there any reason why I should cut the pin after i pull it out of chip?
Because I didn’t cut it and it works fine
Very cool video, wish I could have seen this much earlier in my gaming days haha.
Great video thanks.
I hadn't used my NES for about a year turned it on and got a grey screen. I accidentally ejected the cartridge without switching it off. Led started blinking. I replaced the 72pin connector. Still blinking.
After following your video it now works perfectly again.
The light was blinking with no cartridge in not sure if that was normal.
Can ejecting cartridge with power off kill the lockout chip?
Thanks again :)
I opened it up and it looks like one of the pins was popped out and just forced back in....
I disabled the lockout chip, I even cleaned several games I owned that did not have the game bit screws, and now I’m getting just a blue screen. I’m not getting the blinking light, but now I’m getting just a blue screen. I did clean the motherboard and I did clean the connections but now I’m encountering this issue. Any advice?
Disabling the lockout chip essentially checks the region of the GAME (usa/europe/japan) and blinks if it doesnt detect the match the same region as the NES CONSOLE. Youve solved the blinking issue now you have a no video issue. You may have the cartridge slot installed without seating the tray under the board making the connection to the game weak. OR if the cartridge slot is in correctly then install a game fully and press it down in the ready position. After doing that wiggle the game from side to side (use the notch in the game) this will cause the pins to rub against the contact points and give the connection needed to read the game. Or worst case you need to check all the point on the video out and or dead completely which is pretty unlikly. NES hol up pretty well Good Luck!
I have 3 NESs, I cleaned all 3 and I have a copy of Tetris that works with all 3 but Addams Family does not. The contacts are all clean on the game. Can it be faulty? I can see the language select screen for a fraction of a second but then it resets and the red light blinks. Is it the game or all 3 NESs are bad? Tetris works first try every time!
You need to clean the cardrige so the pins make good contact. Use Isopropilic Alcohol
@@chamuquismalta4310I figured out the solution since. I bought Addams Family from the UK (PAL region) and I live in Hungary and all 3 NESs are from Germany (PAL and PAL region). But I wasn't aware of the fact that Nintendo was a stupid asshole and made multiple PAL region games, not just NTSC vs PAL. The seller was kind enough to accept my return.
I'm a bit on the fence with your hack. I've had the NES since it came out,. Now it's retired to the loft. The flashing LED was there also for cartridge errors, in my case, having poorly store the cartridges, the contacts became oxidise and tarnished, and this LED would tell me that I need to sort the cartridge contacts out. It's annoying, but there for a purpose. It may be hard, but putting a jumper in place would give the option to go back as it was. Just my thoughts, liked your video very much.
Mr C I don’t recommend doing this until you’ve tried cleaning everything and tried either refurbishing or replacing the 72 pin connector. I know there is a way to solder some jumpers instead of cutting the pin but I’m not sure if there are instructions out there that work w all motherboard revisions.
Nintendo NES... Nintendo Nintendo Entertainment System.
+Matthew Hawthorne I work for the Department of Redundancy Department
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@@skeggjoldgunnr3167 a vin isnt a number .. its alphanumeric anyways
Thank you. Took me 20 minutes and it works great! All games load easier (I had to reset like 5 times for a game to work). Also, A and B games work. Thanks! :)
I wonder if this might help with save data erasing on cartridges. I’ve had that happen to me several times with various games. I have to think that with it resetting itself like that u stand more of a chance of it happening. After all u are supposed to hold the reset button to put it into safe mode before powering down to prevent losing save data.
I can’t remember exactly what caused NES saves to get messed up (info is available on the net) but you might be onto something.
Save data is saved to the cartidge not the NES, there is a battery inside the cartidge for this purpose. If your losing your saves, it means the battery inside the cartidge is dead and needs replacing. Cutting pin 4 will not fix your save data issue whatsoever
@@8bitjunkie8 dead battery in the game cartidge is the cause of lost save data. Saves are stored on the cartidge nt the NES
I've heard that it might be wise to tie the pin that you cut to ground. Not sure why though.
I've opened the NES up before and the 72 pin connector on mine was way bent down so I bent them back up and that fixed it. I didn't bend them too much or the connection would be too tight
Also I cleaned the connector where the 72 pin went with an eraser and some window cleaner so that did the trick
Thanks for the help! I found the video very usefull 😀
Open your nes fully then you see a chip with 1985 on it cut the 4th pin where the letters c8 stand and your done
just got a NES with this done to it..but it still won't work...think the 72 pin connector is junk??
+Scott Turner watch my other NES repair videos th-cam.com/video/5F8aItYuu1k/w-d-xo.html
thank you so much bro
no problem!
Id rather use the 1up card cartridge cleaner than a real one to clean up the 72 pins, but that's what I have to do for now it actually helps to clean it up atleast 🤷🏽♂️
lol, he "fixed" it but didn't test it?
How to tell the 10nes chip is disabled is when you turn on the console without a game and check if it's not doin the same thing as it did before (Blinking Red Light)
I wonder if the lockout chip is what is wrong with my Nintendo NES? Because it has not been turning on at all lately. If eliminating the lockout chip function is what I need to do than that is what I am going to have to do.
if it doesn't turn on the power supply is likely broken
@@gamecubeplayer I will not do it myself but I will instead have my local independent home video game console repair man fix what is wrong with my Nintendo NES.
@@wallacelang1374 get a new nes power supply to see if the nes turns on
@@gamecubeplayer I know that it is not the power supply for it is the flashing red light that is the only thing that works, so I believe that it has to be both the contacts are getting worn out and the #4 pin on the encryption key chip is stuck in its lock out function.
nice coke nail
Kevin Gallagher Yes 34!
it works sometimes , but u risk scratching a trace
Nintendo got rid of the lock out chip in future cartridge consoles.
So that’s what caused this issue? I can’t tell you how many times I had to bang my nes on the side to stop the blinking and get a game to boot.
How many people heard all the fiddling and plastic sounds and just wanted to punch somebody because you just had to listen to that for 15 minutes LOL
Mike Mac Gillivary 72 pin
Idk what happened but I have a black screen and a buzz now. Fml
I'm gonna have this done once I get my Blinking Light Win!
But it's kinda pointless. It just stops the blinking light and green/grey screen. It makes them solid instead lol. There's no real point to this mod besides region unlocking, but if you have a game genie you can bypass it instead as long as u have an adapter.
adultmoshifan87 YEStendo
2 wire mod is a far better option than mutilating a chip.
Just looked that up thanks, there is no way I'm cutting any chip on my NES if i don't have to. Thanks Triple D!!!!
Thanks for making this video.
I'm not sure I have e the b@lls to try it yet, but I'm sure I will eventually.
disable that lockout chip by removing the fourth bottom pin
my motherboard looks different to yours... makes it a risky job
sir banez 3rd party companies who wanted to by pass the chip found ways to get passed so nintendo redesigned the board several times. It should be the same procedure though
NOentiendo is spanish for Nintendo.
Haha thought I was the only one who would say that
Tried this, and watch other videos as well. Must have done something wrong, now every game does a grey screen.
did every game blink before you did it?
8bitjunkie ya i did this like 5years ago and it worked for a long time and nowlike3 years later i get an orange screen no matter what is connected...i cant find any info on this
Eddie Tupy I would boil the connector and if that doesn't work try bending the pins back in place th-cam.com/video/5F8aItYuu1k/w-d-xo.html
8bitjunkie ya ill try that probably the next time i want to whip it out, my friend brought his nes over to test if t'd work and i told him mine does work [it worked perfect with no artifacts or w/e last time i used it]. then i showed it to him and just an orange non blinking screen came up.
Im just gunna stick to nes emulators on pc for now
Dear god it worked
nice
When you disable the lockout chip it stops your unit from blinking. That's all it does. Oh boy! I won't go into specifics but there's a lot of good info on fixing and cleaning old school stuff on TH-cam. There's also a lot of misinformation, also. My advice, look at several videos to get an idea of what is a good way and what is a really stupid way of cleaning and repairing NES and SNES stuff.
Nice Dab tool lolol 😜💨
A case of the blinkys? Really...
This doesn't fix anything it just makes your NES crash in different ways over extended gameplay.
You did it wrong
@@deluxrefurbish6601 You don't know what you're talking about, RAM and CPU problems exist in many NES consoles and you know.. all computers. The lockout chip doesn't cause the blinking therefore disabling it cannot fix the console.
@@Jamie_9k did you cut pin 4
@@deluxrefurbish6601 I have fixed many NES consoles, the right way. Learn about electronics before giving advice.
@@Jamie_9k well it makes it region free
This man is a god
You're easily impressed.
Steven Woolley Yes reason
if you don’t call these machines simply a “nintendo” then i have no respect for you as a gamer.
There is zero point to doing this. It doesn't fix problems of blinking light/screen, it only makes them solid. So still the problem is there it's just no longer blinking. I did this mod with a switch on an nes long ago and regret it cause I know now you can just find an adapter for a japanese nes cart and place it and a cartridge on the game genie for NTSC and it will play. No reason to cut a pin when you can just use a game genie. I actually glued my adapter inside a game genie, so now I have to put the cart on one game genie with an adapter (no game genie guts inside) and then on a real game genie. It's fun to see two game genies coming out of the nes while you're playing japanese tetris or something lol.
zero point to doing this - you aren't wrong. I advise people not to do this to fix a blinking NES unless they've done several other steps first. I believe there are some specific games and/or situations where disabling the 10NES chip still might be advantageous. But no, you shouldn't do this if you don't need to.
Someone posted a "no-cut" method of disabling the lockout where you solder a few wires to specific points. I haven't had time to try it yet, and there's at least two different motherboard styles so I'd have to track that down.
Your method is great if you own both a game genie and a famicom adapter...
+8bitjunkie I just don't see what it does. I've done this to five nes systems and it has never done anything really. you'd need a famicom adapter any way if you are using the lock out to play Japanese games.
What does this really do?
Ever heard of the PAL region?
spookanide the region of most of Europe and Australia that runs in different hertz and power? no never heard of it.
Now quit answering questions with snarky questions and say what you mean. do you know for a fact this let's PAL play other regions? what do you know?
Morgan Metzger, Ive found my NES to be more reliable and stable since disabling the lockout chip. before disabling it would occasionally reset and start blinking in the middle of a game. and also games will play first time when I put them in more often. but another reason Ive done this is because I use an everdrive cart, and I use it on both an NTSC and PAL NES - disabling the lock out chip means I dont need to keep region calibrating it when switching between them.
Please stop doing this, this is not a "fix", what you say about replacement pin connectors is wrong. My nes has had a replacement connector in it for 15 years
Well it may not be a "fix" but it sure helps to solve what stops the resetting issue.