It sounds like she can take on powers that are dependent solely on the person's biology, like sense of smell and cellular regeneration. She can't copy powers that involve magic/dimensional bs.
@Boobies Booty well like for sabertooth. The powers it said she "copied" was just his super strength/speed. But it was to a lesser extent than his actual strength. Which sounds like shes just using her power to increase her own strength by moving around her mass in such a way that it looks like she can copy powers too. But she cant shes just faking it.
I like that she can make claws to look like the ones Wolverine have, but they are not metal. Like, she can copy the fingerprints, why not have claws, right?
she cant duplicate "powers" unless those "powers" are physical in nature. Ex. she may fly like Archangel when she copies his wings, but she cant copy phasing abilities of Kitty Pride. She can copy the strength and heightened senses of Sabertooth, but not the optic blast of Cyclops
yeah, I heared that the make up process was SUUUUPER rough, so I can understand that she hated that. (I also think 8 hours for make- up every day is just too much to consistently ask of an actress.) I think they also found some ways to shorten the proces by a few hours for the sequals.
It was likely an acceptable grievance before she started the X-Men series because she wasn't famous or particularly noticeable. The problem comes when she wanted to explore other roles and movies(as most actors and actresses do when they "hit it big") 8 hour paint sessions and then spending the rest of that day or more in a row doing that became extremely restrictive on her schedule. Not to condone her actions, but she was in an opportune position to make massive growth in her career and the X-Men movies weren't conducive to that. I personally don't like her that much, but she did some stuff right so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@cjslime8847 nerds and fans love making fun of superman's cgi mustache cover up (I didn't even care). Mystique having cgi skin would piss people off and cost A lot of money yet iron man and chris Evan's muscles everyone ignores being super fake mixed with practical trickery.
One of the best parts about the current X-Men stories is that Mystique's rage for Charles and Magneto not resurrecting Destiny is her driving motivation to eventually betray them and destroy their new Nation-State.
I think the wiki meant, she can emulate superhuman powers when it’s physical. Ie. You can disguise yourself to have wolverine claws but you can’t disguise yourself to fly
Hi Diamond, Imo even that's a bit sketchy. Sure she can make you think she has claws but in reality they'd still be her flesh (or bone if her control is that precise). I think the article meant she can copy basic physical super human traits to a degree. Super strength and speed? Sure but it'd probably still pale in comparison to the original depending on who she's copying. Which I think makes Sabertooth a good example. Yeah she can copy his basic abilities but none of them will ever be on his level. Sorry for the wall of text. Done nerding out
doesnt that mean technically she should pull out bone claws, since the adamantium isn't a part of wolverine...or does she get adamantium claws because it is physically connected to him?
@@moltres42 Even if she made bone claws, wolverine’s bone claws are capable of cutting through wood, stone, bone, and metal. That’s not normal for bones, or her.
COOLEST THING ABOUT MYSTIQUE Every anti-mutant man in the marvel universe has to pretend like they wouldn't smash. Because every man in the real world would hit that post haste default skin
Shes always been slightly superhuman in strength speed and dexterity as well as durability. Shes a weak super strength, but she is indeed super strong compared to a human. She can't copy powers exactly, but she can be creative using her own power and biology knowledge to mimic aspects of certain other people's powers...the power just won't work the same way as the other person. Its just basically rigging it.
The schizophrenia was due to brain abnormalities from shapeshifting, how did a psychic fix that?! Ugh. And Raven sometimes spends so long as a fake identity that she almost dissociates into that person. This has even bled into her own personality to the point that she often will take on psychological traits of people she's impersonated for long periods. Yes, I'm a nerd. Why do you ask?
The funny thing is that professional actors sometimes have the same problems, particularly method actors, of getting so into their character's headspace that the traits of that character end up bleeding back into the actor's persona. Take the dude who played Daredevil and ended up messing up an interview because he kept not looking at people's faces, since the blind character that he'd been playing for so long wouldn't have done so. It takes quite the mental fortitude to be able to shirk a longtime role without lingering aftereffects.
In the first X-men movie she mimics Wolverines claws, which has the sharpness to cut a wire. How ever, they could not mimic their indestructable nature so Wolverine just slices them off. I love that scene.
Mystique being Nightcrawler's father is such a great idea, and I'm so glad Claremont came up with it, but sad it never became a reality, because why the hell not! I do like in the past several years now that her and Destiny are officially a couple, acknowledged as bisexual, and were married before Destiny's death. The thing about copying Sabertooth is that her powers can closely replicate, but only to a degree. And Jennifer Lawrence as the best thing for Fox, but also ended up being the worst thing for everyone. Mystique was Fox getting an actress at the start off her meteoric rise, then became WAY TOO important, and with her burned out that it ruined the character's legacy they built up.
@@woodrobin The story was written in the 80s, if they had a main character whose father was a woman, writers would still use that fact for mildly transphobic jokes to this day.
So is tricking someone into believing you are one thing when you are not it a good example to set? I am assuming it is her not mentioning it kind of situation.
Maybe her plane also has shape-shifting abilities, but she forgot to turn it off one time and can't recall what it last turned into. "Ah, yeah, I totally wrecked it in a life-threatening battle. Haha."
She can copy physical abilities, like if she became Angel she can fly because he has wings. She can't teleport because that's a non-physical ability. So it heavily depends on who she is taking the shape of.
I think they should bring back the father idea but with a different/new character, just because I wanna see a comic book panel where it's Mystique birthday and she receives both a mother and a father birthday card.
Mystique was married to a woman named Destiny She's currently working on getting the mutant nation of Krakoa to resurrect Destiny but Charles and Magneto don't want people who can see the future on the island
I feel like the whole copying abilities sometimes maybe is for specifically things that are strictly part of the body. Like she can recreate wolverine's claws but not the metal around them (Thier fight in the first movie I think that was shown)
Because Norse Mythology wasn't published by a bunch of conservative pricks like Marvel Comics were, which is ironic considering Norse Mythology is a collective of myths that are over a thousand years old. Its the same reason much of Norse Mythology is ignored in Marvel stuff too, in Marvel Comics Loki has only children he fathered, not mothered, so no Slepnir, and in the MCU it doesn't seem he even has children.
@@lydiahood7725 you should check out “ragnarok” on Netflix, it’s a modern twist on Norse mythology (made by Norwegians) and I thought it was pretty cool, although it also has some high school/ teen drama parts that were a little boring
To my understanding, the biggest issue with Mystique being Nightcrawler's dad is that she would have to change more than just her appearance. While Loki has _Magic_ . Not to say they couldn't have written it anyway, just that it would have involved expanding the scope of her powers.
@@ericandrewscott1994 Considering how her powers work, I think altering her biology so she could conceive children as a man isn’t much of a stretch. And even if it was, it’s superhero comics so it doesn’t matter if it fits with real world science, we’re talking about a mutant shapeshifter here.
Jim Shooter as Editor In Chief at Marvel is who stopped Mystique and Destiny being Nightcrawler's biological parents or even blatant lovers though, Chris Claremont being an absolute legend meant that it was obvious to anyone who knew what to look for. The Comics Code Authority was also in full swing and they were every bit as terrible as you can likely imagined with a name like that. If you're not familiar with the CCA and their Gestapo tactics, look them up some time
Mystique went crazy at one point cause of an identity crisis from changing into so many people, she wasn't sure who the real her was anymore. I think it was wolverine and the x-men series.
To understand the schizophrenia part of mystique. Watch the ending of the episode of clayface first appearance in Batman animated series to understand the schizophrenia.
6:29 (?) this sort of thing happened with a character in Image Comics called Monster Girl, in human form she was a woman but when she transformed she did so into a male. Anyways she had a son with a female alien because she was in her monster form when they shacked up
@@TropicSpoon It's in the Wiki, I even legit double checked, Anna Marie LeBeau (Foster Daughter). He says in the video he was gonna skip it and went for Kurt. Mystique has like 6 kids not just Kurt.
So... I guess we won't get a Loki-mothered-a-horse-storline from marvel then? I mean... I get that Loki the marvel character and Loke the norse god isn't the same, but Disney could do well with an eight-legged horse...
18:10 And then Lawrence decided that scene didn't matter and wanted no more blue skin (Also, it's even worse bc (at least in the movies) she has to put a certain amount of concentration into staying in her more "human" form, but she's still doing it all the time)
Some method actors undercover agents and operatives have trouble with keeping or reclaiming their own personality after being someone else for awhile. So I think they should give a little bit of that trouble to Mystique. Not Schizophrenia just normal issues a person would really have. It would give her something else to bond with Rogue about since Rogue has that to a millionth degree.
Ngl not even a pride thing but if I had Mystiques powers I’d pretty much always take the form of someone or something that doesn’t catch any eyes and live as a ‘mutant where’s Waldo’
@@Sienisota no in the original Scandinavian myths, Loki had four major offspring. Zephyr, the 8 legged horse of Odin, Fenrir wolf(the wolf who kills, and is in turned killed by, Odin in Ragnarok) jormongander the world serpent (the one who kills, and is killed by, Thor during Ragnarok) and Hel, the Goddess of death.
I always found it baffling that in the comics and cartoons mystique was usually wearing some sort of cloak or leotard. While in the movies she's butt naked.
On a slight side rant: On her potentially having been a dad: That is a trope I hate with shapeshifters. If they are "dominant": They are a dad. They shapeshift into a man if having kids. If they are "submissive": They are a mom. They stay female/shapeshift into a woman if having kids. And that just strikes me the wrong way. (Also: Fans would more likely have eaten that shit up and done tons of... "content" xD I mean: They do that already! xD The internet is ironically extremely limited with their imagination.)
Isn't she both tho? Both a mother and a father? I'm sorry, I just don't get your point, can you elaborate? Edit : I do also think people would've been fine with her being a dad.
@@bbittercoffee Canonically: She is only a "mom" to my knowledge. (As in: She carried the child.) Using quotations as I am only referring to the biological aspect. As characters can have other pronouns. My rant was more of a general statement about shapeshifters as a whole. As if you look at shapeshifters (or magic users) in media (both online and "canon") it basically always boils down to the same thing: The most "masculine" character, becomes the "male". And the most feminine becomes the "female". I couldn't find a good list of characters that are shapeshifters+parents. But for example: Monster Girl. She is a tomboy, "hulk smash" character. She shapeshifts into a male to impregnate a female. But has no interest in becoming pregnant herself. Partially seeming as she is "too manly" to do so. If that makes any sense. Or just to use internet ships as an example: If you take any pairing, (canonical or not) people will assign which character "has the penis". And it's the "dominant" character, always. Ex: Marceline and Princess Bubblegum. Marceline is assigned as "the man" in that pairing as PB is more girly. It gets extra stupid if a universe can clone, or has magic to create children. Nope: Still gotta give one of them a dong /S A good example of "this effect" (at least how it affects fandoms) was Pidge from Voltron. The fandom assigned Pidge as a manly man, big dick player. Confident and dominant. Then: Plot twist: Pidge is a GIRL. Fandom went total 180 overnight. Assigned Pidge as a meek, shy and submissive. Insecure and tiny clam. I hope that made any sense. It's like... an elaborate gender stereotype. Except it's applied to genitals instead.
Doesn’t really make any sense that mystique doesn’t age, coz it was specifically stated that she can only look like others, which means her insides stay the same. So her body will still degrade.😂
14:15 explains why she couldn't have been Night Crawlers father if she doesn't gain any extra abilities when she alters her appearance she couldn't produce fertile semen But I am disappointed with that though because comics could make it work some how or even someone more creative than I am could've written it as such and that would've been a pretty great twist
She gains a deeper voice, ergo, she gains testicles. Mimicking fingerprints is far more absurdist then building functional genitalia. Sperm, no doubt, although whether she could produce additional ovum is a bit of a weirder question. The issue is the Y chromosome. Women have two X chromosomes, so presumably all of her sperm would be carrying one X chromosome or the other. So how could Nightcrawler be male? They could do it now. Nobody could stop them. An adorable little blue girl shows up and Mystique is like "fuck".
@@SamuelTBrooks the chromosome thing could be explained in one of two ways, she could be able to alter her genetics with her powers to an extent, or either she or Nightcrawler is intersex.
@@DevilmanEnvoy That implies she mimicks not an exact copy of her male target's vocal cords, but a set of vocal cords that produces his exact voice, while not being weighed down by his testicles. Why wouldn't she just grow the testicles?
@@tarri16 Wait, so like, Mystique is a transwoman, who's technically genetically male, but she identifies as female, so naturally her true form is female. But then she tried out sex as a man, because with that powerset, fuck it, do everything, and she accidentally fathered Nightcrawler. Yeah, that'd work too. The internet would have a heck of time with it, but they could and should do it.
I actually like when power set creep is adequately justified. She was willing to risk herself to save someone and gained additional refinement of her existing power set. Now I would disagree with them giving her the ability to become nearly 2D, since she doesn't have the bullshit internal organ explanation that Mr. Fantastic has. But being able to create skin flaps to act as a wingsuit would make total sense. Being able to manipulate her body to the degree she already could would make growing additional appendages like talons or wings fairly trivial by comparison. The only real problem would be the exchange of mass, but she'd already have to cope with that through something akin to a swim bladder in her torso anyway whenever she assumed the form of someone significantly larger than her.
The thing with copying sabertooth, it seems to me the intent was PHYSICAL abilities, could be copied eg her cells move around and change already so turning that into a healing factor, or making extra muscle mass or making claws, etc seems possible from a physical duplication standpoint, but psychic powers and energy projections aren't physical, so the cells have no clue how to do that? if she could clone dna down to the x factor level, she could doubtless do this, but that seems to be her limit, cellular copy, but no genes.
Okay so something I’ve noticed with these x-men ones is you keep getting annoyed when characters powers become stronger. This was an x-men story arc, basically every mutant got an upgrade through a second stage of their mutation, some mutants gained more control over their powers, others less, some gained cooler powers others gained the ability to hide their powers, I don’t recall how the story ended as I wasn’t ready every x-men book when it happened but eventually most of these characters lost a major part of their upgrades only retaining a bit of their upgraded form in future issues. I believe some mutants still have these upgrades today but most it’s a very minor aspect of the character only brought up when a writer needs it.
I do like the thought of mystique mimicking others powers, but only the physical attributes like wolverines bone claws but not his incredible healing factor
Beast is blue. Thanos is blue. Kang is blue. An entire race of kree are blue. Archangel is blue. Apocalypse is blue. Nebula is blue. Yondu is blue. There are lots of blue skinned people in the universe. He’s defiantly seen apocalypse so by his own logic he’s his dad
I disagree with the flash getting naked to change for the simple fact that he can phase through objects. I believe he just phases into his suit wearing his day clothes or phases out of one into the other when they are right up against each other thus keeping him hidden.
I wonder if Mystique actually is blue with yellow eyes. Those features may just allow better sight and physical capabilities like shapeshifting, night hunting, the enhanced strength, dexterity, agility and flexibility. So can she replicate metal skin not as complex as adamantium or vibranium? Can she be like Luke Cage or an near exact Colossus?
I guess she just forgot where she parked it, make's me wonder about Wonder Woman's invisible jet. You better be damn sure you remember your fob, and don't even think about locking your keys in it.
The author of the Topper novels, Thorne Smith, wrote what is likely the first ever body swap novel, (1931) with a married couple swapping bodies. AFTER the swap the wife gets pregnant AND gives birth before the swap back. Yeah in 1931. Oh and in the Topper novels, Topper was a young man and the ghost Marion was trying to get him killed because she wanted his ghost to join her. Thorne Smith novels are not at all what you might expect from that time.
6:44 Funny thing is that this was done in the fate franchise with the genderbend King Arthur being the father of Mordred. But then again a lot of it isn't "save" for kids anyway.
If you're wondering why I'm saying this, it's because octopuses(yes, that is an acceptable plural form) are known to be able to not only change colour to camouflage, but also texture and shape.
Early comic writers can't write about Mystique becoming a dad but ancient Norse mythology talks about Loki transforming into a female, mates, and gives birth to a child. I'm not sure whether we are getting more or less conservative now. :D
Norse mthology was written a couple hundred years before mystique was written there lol im pretty sure marvel wont do the whole loki giving birth to a horse in the comics anytime soon.
okay tbf, I think in the Jennifer Lawrence mystique era, it was actually her main character arc learning to be comfortable in her true blue form, so it did make sense she was normal. might have just been the writers coming up for a reason why she wasn't blue way better than they needed to tho.
superman has to accelerate his mind to go into super speed so unless he is actively turning on his super speed the flash would probly still be a blur at those moments.
It sounds like she can take on powers that are dependent solely on the person's biology, like sense of smell and cellular regeneration. She can't copy powers that involve magic/dimensional bs.
@Boobies Booty well like for sabertooth. The powers it said she "copied" was just his super strength/speed. But it was to a lesser extent than his actual strength. Which sounds like shes just using her power to increase her own strength by moving around her mass in such a way that it looks like she can copy powers too. But she cant shes just faking it.
I like that she can make claws to look like the ones Wolverine have, but they are not metal. Like, she can copy the fingerprints, why not have claws, right?
@@aquelegabriel he has bone claws that are coated with Adamtine or w.e
Remember in the first X-Men movie, she copies wolverine and his claws so he cuts hers off? Her reaction was sheer terror.
Looked more like pain to me, after all, the fake claws were a part of her, so it must have felt like her fingers were cut off or something.
she cant duplicate "powers" unless those "powers" are physical in nature. Ex. she may fly like Archangel when she copies his wings, but she cant copy phasing abilities of Kitty Pride. She can copy the strength and heightened senses of Sabertooth, but not the optic blast of Cyclops
C'mon, she could just change her eyes to fists. Same thing as Scott's powers, totally.
@@VelaiciaCreator That would be a hilarious and terrifying visual gag that I could get behind. :)
@@Tatariokan I'd certainly find her character far scarier if she could do that.
jennifer lawrence really just hated sitting for 8 hours being painted blue to be mystique. but yeah she shouldnt have agreed knowing the character
I was confused when I heard that she hated being painted like put her in a cgi suit
yeah, I heared that the make up process was SUUUUPER rough, so I can understand that she hated that. (I also think 8 hours for make- up every day is just too much to consistently ask of an actress.) I think they also found some ways to shorten the proces by a few hours for the sequals.
It was likely an acceptable grievance before she started the X-Men series because she wasn't famous or particularly noticeable. The problem comes when she wanted to explore other roles and movies(as most actors and actresses do when they "hit it big") 8 hour paint sessions and then spending the rest of that day or more in a row doing that became extremely restrictive on her schedule. Not to condone her actions, but she was in an opportune position to make massive growth in her career and the X-Men movies weren't conducive to that. I personally don't like her that much, but she did some stuff right so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@cjslime8847 nerds and fans love making fun of superman's cgi mustache cover up (I didn't even care).
Mystique having cgi skin would piss people off and cost A lot of money yet iron man and chris Evan's muscles everyone ignores being super fake mixed with practical trickery.
@@mehface Nope.
One of the best parts about the current X-Men stories is that Mystique's rage for Charles and Magneto not resurrecting Destiny is her driving motivation to eventually betray them and destroy their new Nation-State.
I think the wiki meant, she can emulate superhuman powers when it’s physical. Ie. You can disguise yourself to have wolverine claws but you can’t disguise yourself to fly
Hi Diamond,
Imo even that's a bit sketchy. Sure she can make you think she has claws but in reality they'd still be her flesh (or bone if her control is that precise). I think the article meant she can copy basic physical super human traits to a degree. Super strength and speed? Sure but it'd probably still pale in comparison to the original depending on who she's copying. Which I think makes Sabertooth a good example. Yeah she can copy his basic abilities but none of them will ever be on his level.
Sorry for the wall of text. Done nerding out
Yeah, like in the first xmen film when she fights wolverine and mimicked his claws
doesnt that mean technically she should pull out bone claws, since the adamantium isn't a part of wolverine...or does she get adamantium claws because it is physically connected to him?
@@moltres42 Even if she made bone claws, wolverine’s bone claws are capable of cutting through wood, stone, bone, and metal. That’s not normal for bones, or her.
@@moltres42 no she just makes her claws look like they are adamantium but she can't actually make them as such.
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COOLEST THING ABOUT MYSTIQUE
Every anti-mutant man in the marvel universe has to pretend like they wouldn't smash.
Because every man in the real world would hit that post haste default skin
One of my Marvel faves.
Even if by the odd chance Mystique isn’t their type. She can BE THEIR type.
Shes always been slightly superhuman in strength speed and dexterity as well as durability. Shes a weak super strength, but she is indeed super strong compared to a human.
She can't copy powers exactly, but she can be creative using her own power and biology knowledge to mimic aspects of certain other people's powers...the power just won't work the same way as the other person. Its just basically rigging it.
The schizophrenia was due to brain abnormalities from shapeshifting, how did a psychic fix that?! Ugh. And Raven sometimes spends so long as a fake identity that she almost dissociates into that person. This has even bled into her own personality to the point that she often will take on psychological traits of people she's impersonated for long periods.
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@@Gloomdrake I don't think it's misunderstanding and more so "it's comics so you have to take it with a grain of salt"
The funny thing is that professional actors sometimes have the same problems, particularly method actors, of getting so into their character's headspace that the traits of that character end up bleeding back into the actor's persona. Take the dude who played Daredevil and ended up messing up an interview because he kept not looking at people's faces, since the blind character that he'd been playing for so long wouldn't have done so. It takes quite the mental fortitude to be able to shirk a longtime role without lingering aftereffects.
No wonder she prefers to stay just blue lady
In the first X-men movie she mimics Wolverines claws, which has the sharpness to cut a wire. How ever, they could not mimic their indestructable nature so Wolverine just slices them off. I love that scene.
Mystique being Nightcrawler's father is such a great idea, and I'm so glad Claremont came up with it, but sad it never became a reality, because why the hell not! I do like in the past several years now that her and Destiny are officially a couple, acknowledged as bisexual, and were married before Destiny's death.
The thing about copying Sabertooth is that her powers can closely replicate, but only to a degree.
And Jennifer Lawrence as the best thing for Fox, but also ended up being the worst thing for everyone. Mystique was Fox getting an actress at the start off her meteoric rise, then became WAY TOO important, and with her burned out that it ruined the character's legacy they built up.
I feel like if Mystique was Nightcrawler's father it would have just been played for jokes.
@@woodrobin The story was written in the 80s, if they had a main character whose father was a woman, writers would still use that fact for mildly transphobic jokes to this day.
So is tricking someone into believing you are one thing when you are not it a good example to set? I am assuming it is her not mentioning it kind of situation.
At least it happened in the X-men: Evolution tv show
@@matthewbach5435 true my brain failed me today
Maybe her plane also has shape-shifting abilities, but she forgot to turn it off one time and can't recall what it last turned into.
"Ah, yeah, I totally wrecked it in a life-threatening battle. Haha."
Got blackout drunk and doesn't have a clue where it was.
I really liked the comic "Get Mystique" , it showed wolverine just hunting her down and how he just followed her sent
She can copy physical abilities, like if she became Angel she can fly because he has wings. She can't teleport because that's a non-physical ability. So it heavily depends on who she is taking the shape of.
I think they should bring back the father idea but with a different/new character, just because I wanna see a comic book panel where it's Mystique birthday and she receives both a mother and a father birthday card.
Mystique was married to a woman named Destiny
She's currently working on getting the mutant nation of Krakoa to resurrect Destiny but Charles and Magneto don't want people who can see the future on the island
I feel like the whole copying abilities sometimes maybe is for specifically things that are strictly part of the body.
Like she can recreate wolverine's claws but not the metal around them
(Thier fight in the first movie I think that was shown)
Why couldn't Mystique have been Nightcrawler's dad? Loki was Slepnir's mother.
Because Norse Mythology wasn't published by a bunch of conservative pricks like Marvel Comics were, which is ironic considering Norse Mythology is a collective of myths that are over a thousand years old. Its the same reason much of Norse Mythology is ignored in Marvel stuff too, in Marvel Comics Loki has only children he fathered, not mothered, so no Slepnir, and in the MCU it doesn't seem he even has children.
i keep forgetting that part, poor loki
@@lydiahood7725 you should check out “ragnarok” on Netflix, it’s a modern twist on Norse mythology (made by Norwegians) and I thought it was pretty cool, although it also has some high school/ teen drama parts that were a little boring
To my understanding, the biggest issue with Mystique being Nightcrawler's dad is that she would have to change more than just her appearance. While Loki has _Magic_ . Not to say they couldn't have written it anyway, just that it would have involved expanding the scope of her powers.
@@ericandrewscott1994 Considering how her powers work, I think altering her biology so she could conceive children as a man isn’t much of a stretch. And even if it was, it’s superhero comics so it doesn’t matter if it fits with real world science, we’re talking about a mutant shapeshifter here.
Rebecca Romjin was so awesome as Mystique.. I still miss her.
Jim Shooter as Editor In Chief at Marvel is who stopped Mystique and Destiny being Nightcrawler's biological parents or even blatant lovers though, Chris Claremont being an absolute legend meant that it was obvious to anyone who knew what to look for. The Comics Code Authority was also in full swing and they were every bit as terrible as you can likely imagined with a name like that. If you're not familiar with the CCA and their Gestapo tactics, look them up some time
I think in the first X-men movie she changed into Logan and had claws that looked like his, but weren’t as strong. I might be wrong though.🤷🏻♂️
Mystique went crazy at one point cause of an identity crisis from changing into so many people, she wasn't sure who the real her was anymore. I think it was wolverine and the x-men series.
I wish that it is revealed that Christine Everhart was Mystique all along.
Dude.. thats a lot of tin foil.
I like it though.
To understand the schizophrenia part of mystique. Watch the ending of the episode of clayface first appearance in Batman animated series to understand the schizophrenia.
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6:29 (?) this sort of thing happened with a character in Image Comics called Monster Girl, in human form she was a woman but when she transformed she did so into a male. Anyways she had a son with a female alien because she was in her monster form when they shacked up
The Comic Code Authority has robbed us of Daddy Mystique.
Mystique can catfish me anytime.
AW MAN, I'M KINDA SAD YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT SHE'S ROGUES ADOPTED MOTHER!
Well he is reading from the wikipedia so if it's wrong fix it
@@TropicSpoon he might have mentioned it and it got edited out or he just didn't say it at all
@@TropicSpoon It's in the Wiki, I even legit double checked, Anna Marie LeBeau (Foster Daughter). He says in the video he was gonna skip it and went for Kurt. Mystique has like 6 kids not just Kurt.
Maybe he didn’t know Rouge’s real name and saw that name without realizing it was her
@@orangecrisis8568 Probs
So... I guess we won't get a Loki-mothered-a-horse-storline from marvel then? I mean... I get that Loki the marvel character and Loke the norse god isn't the same, but Disney could do well with an eight-legged horse...
The eight legged horse was seen in the first Thor movie for a split second when Odin saved everybody from the ice giants .
@@badvillager9487 so it basically already happened...
@@thekingofcookies4877 I'm not sure, but I think someone said that in MCU, Slephnir the 8 legged horse is a magical construct.
@@Gloomdrake just use Moviecrumbs
9 min odd.... I know it's the movies but having Ian as magneto say, "you were beautiful", when she lost her powers. proper burn.
In the animations of justice league, I'm pretty sure they show superman looking away everytime the flash changes using superspeed
'Mystique hates her own appearance and will never look at herself in a mirror.'
Sooooo...she's Mumm-ra?
So she doesn’t know how hot she is?
The fact that mystique being a dad was nixed but Wanda in am incest angle didn’t……fr
Yeah, seriously....
If I'm correct, the incest thing happened after the comic book code was discarded.
@@r.cdahuman7682 well yea
Got a chuckle out of them still using the background from last episode about the Phoenix Force.
18:10 And then Lawrence decided that scene didn't matter and wanted no more blue skin
(Also, it's even worse bc (at least in the movies) she has to put a certain amount of concentration into staying in her more "human" form, but she's still doing it all the time)
Mystique can make her skin feel like anything...
Me:
Bubblewrap 🥴
Thank u! She is so overpowered and so underappreciated
Some method actors undercover agents and operatives have trouble with keeping or reclaiming their own personality after being someone else for awhile. So I think they should give a little bit of that trouble to Mystique. Not Schizophrenia just normal issues a person would really have. It would give her something else to bond with Rogue about since Rogue has that to a millionth degree.
if it ever comes up again: her name is spelled Romijn but pronounced Romaine, like the lettuce
I really wish she had that night crawler dad thing cuz it reminds me so much of loki in norse mythology how he gave birth to odins horse
Ngl not even a pride thing but if I had Mystiques powers I’d pretty much always take the form of someone or something that doesn’t catch any eyes and live as a ‘mutant where’s Waldo’
I like how blue skin is an unusual feature but yellow eyes aren't
Says the quirkless kid with green hair, Deku😆
I love Mystique in her natural form, I agree it's a shame she doesn't
Any straight guy who wouldn't think she's hot normally is out of their mind.
In the comics she does
Mistique could've definitely be a dad, I mean way back in the old Norse tales Loki was a mum... Because horse.
I think Loki was also a mum when he spent few years disguised as a milkmaid. Got actual human children, but they were never named in the myths.
@@Sienisota no in the original Scandinavian myths, Loki had four major offspring. Zephyr, the 8 legged horse of Odin, Fenrir wolf(the wolf who kills, and is in turned killed by, Odin in Ragnarok) jormongander the world serpent (the one who kills, and is killed by, Thor during Ragnarok) and Hel, the Goddess of death.
I can only use the bathroom if I watch a fact fiend video
Mystique canonically gave birth to Wolverine's & Xavier's children: Raze Darkholme and Charles Xavier Jr.
they used that mental breakdown plot line for Rogue in XMen Evolution.
Like mother like daughter I guess
So she hooked up with Wolverine and Daken? Damn Raven keep it in the family much.
She's had a baby by Wolverine too. His name is Raze. Her son with Xavier is Charles Xavier Jr.
Mystique is totally a a mguffin character in the right hands
I always found it baffling that in the comics and cartoons mystique was usually wearing some sort of cloak or leotard. While in the movies she's butt naked.
I guess she can shapeshift her clothes, or just create them. And you can thank Bryan Singer for her not having them.
On a slight side rant: On her potentially having been a dad: That is a trope I hate with shapeshifters.
If they are "dominant": They are a dad. They shapeshift into a man if having kids.
If they are "submissive": They are a mom. They stay female/shapeshift into a woman if having kids.
And that just strikes me the wrong way.
(Also: Fans would more likely have eaten that shit up and done tons of... "content" xD I mean: They do that already! xD The internet is ironically extremely limited with their imagination.)
Isn't she both tho? Both a mother and a father? I'm sorry, I just don't get your point, can you elaborate?
Edit : I do also think people would've been fine with her being a dad.
You dare to suggest Mystique isn't a switch.
@@bbittercoffee Canonically: She is only a "mom" to my knowledge. (As in: She carried the child.) Using quotations as I am only referring to the biological aspect. As characters can have other pronouns.
My rant was more of a general statement about shapeshifters as a whole.
As if you look at shapeshifters (or magic users) in media (both online and "canon") it basically always boils down to the same thing: The most "masculine" character, becomes the "male". And the most feminine becomes the "female".
I couldn't find a good list of characters that are shapeshifters+parents. But for example: Monster Girl. She is a tomboy, "hulk smash" character. She shapeshifts into a male to impregnate a female. But has no interest in becoming pregnant herself. Partially seeming as she is "too manly" to do so. If that makes any sense.
Or just to use internet ships as an example: If you take any pairing, (canonical or not) people will assign which character "has the penis". And it's the "dominant" character, always. Ex: Marceline and Princess Bubblegum. Marceline is assigned as "the man" in that pairing as PB is more girly.
It gets extra stupid if a universe can clone, or has magic to create children. Nope: Still gotta give one of them a dong /S
A good example of "this effect" (at least how it affects fandoms) was Pidge from Voltron. The fandom assigned Pidge as a manly man, big dick player. Confident and dominant. Then: Plot twist: Pidge is a GIRL. Fandom went total 180 overnight. Assigned Pidge as a meek, shy and submissive. Insecure and tiny clam.
I hope that made any sense.
It's like... an elaborate gender stereotype. Except it's applied to genitals instead.
@@Poldovico Having seen the internet in the 90's: They would have loved it.
Those conservative moms though... xD
Their angry screeching is law.
@@SamuelTBrooks she most likely is whatever the F she feels like at the moment xP
i remember at one point in the cartoon she made herself wolverine with his claws but his claws cut thru hers so they just looked like it.
I love the fact that the movie clip was edited in twice
Oh, God. Imagine the things deadpool would be doing with a shapeshifting girlfriend.
Doesn’t really make any sense that mystique doesn’t age, coz it was specifically stated that she can only look like others, which means her insides stay the same. So her body will still degrade.😂
14:15 explains why she couldn't have been Night Crawlers father if she doesn't gain any extra abilities when she alters her appearance she couldn't produce fertile semen
But I am disappointed with that though because comics could make it work some how or even someone more creative than I am could've written it as such and that would've been a pretty great twist
She gains a deeper voice, ergo, she gains testicles. Mimicking fingerprints is far more absurdist then building functional genitalia. Sperm, no doubt, although whether she could produce additional ovum is a bit of a weirder question.
The issue is the Y chromosome. Women have two X chromosomes, so presumably all of her sperm would be carrying one X chromosome or the other. So how could Nightcrawler be male?
They could do it now. Nobody could stop them. An adorable little blue girl shows up and Mystique is like "fuck".
@@SamuelTBrooks or she could just be using her shape shifting to alter the length of her vocal cords.
@@SamuelTBrooks the chromosome thing could be explained in one of two ways, she could be able to alter her genetics with her powers to an extent, or either she or Nightcrawler is intersex.
@@DevilmanEnvoy That implies she mimicks not an exact copy of her male target's vocal cords, but a set of vocal cords that produces his exact voice, while not being weighed down by his testicles. Why wouldn't she just grow the testicles?
@@tarri16 Wait, so like, Mystique is a transwoman, who's technically genetically male, but she identifies as female, so naturally her true form is female. But then she tried out sex as a man, because with that powerset, fuck it, do everything, and she accidentally fathered Nightcrawler. Yeah, that'd work too. The internet would have a heck of time with it, but they could and should do it.
I actually like when power set creep is adequately justified. She was willing to risk herself to save someone and gained additional refinement of her existing power set. Now I would disagree with them giving her the ability to become nearly 2D, since she doesn't have the bullshit internal organ explanation that Mr. Fantastic has. But being able to create skin flaps to act as a wingsuit would make total sense. Being able to manipulate her body to the degree she already could would make growing additional appendages like talons or wings fairly trivial by comparison. The only real problem would be the exchange of mass, but she'd already have to cope with that through something akin to a swim bladder in her torso anyway whenever she assumed the form of someone significantly larger than her.
Monster girl from invincible does get written as the father of a spawn. Take that mainline comic books
The thing with copying sabertooth, it seems to me the intent was PHYSICAL abilities, could be copied eg her cells move around and change already so turning that into a healing factor, or making extra muscle mass or making claws, etc seems possible from a physical duplication standpoint, but psychic powers and energy projections aren't physical, so the cells have no clue how to do that? if she could clone dna down to the x factor level, she could doubtless do this, but that seems to be her limit, cellular copy, but no genes.
Basically,
Aliases: Yes
Okay so something I’ve noticed with these x-men ones is you keep getting annoyed when characters powers become stronger.
This was an x-men story arc, basically every mutant got an upgrade through a second stage of their mutation, some mutants gained more control over their powers, others less, some gained cooler powers others gained the ability to hide their powers, I don’t recall how the story ended as I wasn’t ready every x-men book when it happened but eventually most of these characters lost a major part of their upgrades only retaining a bit of their upgraded form in future issues.
I believe some mutants still have these upgrades today but most it’s a very minor aspect of the character only brought up when a writer needs it.
4:37 except for the scene(s) in X3 where she has lost her powers
Mystique can't be Nightcrawler's dad, but Monster Girl sired an alien hybrid child as the father. Then again, different target age groups.
I do like the thought of mystique mimicking others powers, but only the physical attributes like wolverines bone claws but not his incredible healing factor
Beast is blue. Thanos is blue. Kang is blue. An entire race of kree are blue. Archangel is blue. Apocalypse is blue. Nebula is blue. Yondu is blue. There are lots of blue skinned people in the universe. He’s defiantly seen apocalypse so by his own logic he’s his dad
Thanos is purple and Kang isn't actually blue, it's his helmet. He is just a white guy when he takes it off.
@@thekingofcookies4877 oh thanks
15:40 I’m so pissed neither of them said ‘That’s so Raven.’
Rogue with mystics powers I swear that happened in mind the cartoons
Mystique ship is like that invisible car in Megamind
Mystique would be the ultimate, A-number-1 in the sheets
I disagree with the flash getting naked to change for the simple fact that he can phase through objects. I believe he just phases into his suit wearing his day clothes or phases out of one into the other when they are right up against each other thus keeping him hidden.
exactly what a coward would say stop trying to hide flashes penis from us
seeing Karl get mad about homophobia is rly uplifting ngl
Title Alternative: “Mystique is ALWAYS NAKED”
That is sort of common knowledge at this point
I wonder if Mystique actually is blue with yellow eyes.
Those features may just allow better sight and physical capabilities like shapeshifting, night hunting, the enhanced strength, dexterity, agility and flexibility.
So can she replicate metal skin not as complex as adamantium or vibranium?
Can she be like Luke Cage or an near exact Colossus?
imagine a person but their skin looks and feels fried. like a human pork rind. but they're totally okay
Morph! Morph! Morph! Morph!
Either that was a really clever intro or I am just really slow but either way I loved that set up
I guess she just forgot where she parked it, make's me wonder about Wonder Woman's invisible jet.
You better be damn sure you remember your fob, and don't even think about locking your keys in it.
Oh no the green screen is ripped at the top left
Lunch time hell yeah
You could do a wiki weekend on Miss Marvel Kamala Khan. 😁
Jennifer Lawrence cries in every role. Mystique, famous for crying ALL the time 🙄
Love his shirt on this one
In the "Invincible" comics the character "Monster Girl" fathers a child while in monster form.
As soon as I woke up, damn.
As Mystique... has gotten the same status quo, shit on a stick treatment by the internet as every single shapeshifter~
The author of the Topper novels, Thorne Smith, wrote what is likely the first ever body swap novel, (1931)
with a married couple swapping bodies. AFTER the swap the wife gets pregnant AND gives birth before the swap back.
Yeah in 1931.
Oh and in the Topper novels, Topper was a young man and the ghost Marion was trying to get him killed because she wanted his ghost to join her. Thorne Smith novels are not at all what you might expect from that time.
this scene was so good that they must show it at least 2 times xD
6:40
if Loki can give birth to a six legged horse then Mystique can be Nightcrawler's dad!!!
6:44 Funny thing is that this was done in the fate franchise with the genderbend King Arthur being the father of Mordred. But then again a lot of it isn't "save" for kids anyway.
@@Poldovico Exactly. And seeing that they are not pulling a disney now that the franchise pretty big is also a good sign.
So Mystique is just the ultimate octopus?
If you're wondering why I'm saying this, it's because octopuses(yes, that is an acceptable plural form) are known to be able to not only change colour to camouflage, but also texture and shape.
In capitalist America, something something tentacle hentai
Early comic writers can't write about Mystique becoming a dad but ancient Norse mythology talks about Loki transforming into a female, mates, and gives birth to a child. I'm not sure whether we are getting more or less conservative now. :D
Norse mthology was written a couple hundred years before mystique was written there lol im pretty sure marvel wont do the whole loki giving birth to a horse in the comics anytime soon.
*morphs into Patrick Stewart* Acting.
okay tbf, I think in the Jennifer Lawrence mystique era, it was actually her main character arc learning to be comfortable in her true blue form, so it did make sense she was normal. might have just been the writers coming up for a reason why she wasn't blue way better than they needed to tho.
I'm blue da ba dee da ba daa
she kinda reminds me of the asari from mass effect
superman has to accelerate his mind to go into super speed so unless he is actively turning on his super speed the flash would probly still be a blur at those moments.
I'd love to see you guys do a wiki vid on gambit
Pretty sure the flash phases into the costume so his not naked.