UK TRAIN CRASHES - NO KNOWN CAUSE - MOORGATE 1975
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- UK Train Crashes - "No Known Cause" - Moorgate 1975 - Narrated by Nick Chilvers
The fourth video in our new series focuses on the events surrounding the Moorgate Underground crash in 1975 and the investigation into the cause by detectives.
Next to nothing was known about trauma then, and this was not a physiological seizure, but psychological fugue. One of the causes of that is PTSD, and we know he was both traumatised by his wartime experience and had had at least one of the traumas reactivated in the weeks before the crash. If that had retriggered, he may well have found himself mentally incapacitated - we now know that cognitive function has no say in this, it's part of the Innate Alarm System which Ruth Lannius' team tracked a couple of years ago. It goes nowhere near cognition.
Interesting theory! I doubt it was suicide, it sounds unlikely
I bet the driver did in on purpose. Here's why:
1. People at the station who were waiting for the train saw the driver upright, standing at the controls, looking completely in control.
2. Lesley Newson's body was found with his arms on the controls at the moment of impact. He didn't even tried to instinctively protect his face with his hands.
3. He was a WW2 veteran. He was at Dunkirk. God knows what horrors he lived throgh and what effect this had on his mind.
His intention to buy a car later that day might have been a prefabricated distraction for the inquiry to bite on.
Or London Transport covering it up to shift blame onto the dead driver. The line was scheduled to go to British Rail and I think they had stopped spending money on it. This isn't the usual Northern Line but what was to be the Northern Heights project which was cancelled due to lack of money after WW2. The line by the 1970s after the Victoria Line was built no longer went to Finsbury park. So it went from Drayton park to Moorgate, weird line.
When did this air, please?
I think from the narration toward the end, he said about the crash 22 years ago, this would make this programme 1997 / 98.
Just wondering why no regular passenger using that route never used use one of the cars emergency handles if it wasn't slowing once in the platform at the stated 35mph speed, Doubt it would have prevented over running into the end wall but it would have soften the impact 💥Also the same question as why didn't the guard use an emergence brake the instant it went over that junction at speed or at the very least once his car was in the platform? Moorgate platforms are longer than the length of train that was being used. All very strange🤔
Along with what @user-ub2hn3tm6m said, the guard, named Bob Harris, was only 18 years old and rather inexperienced. It was also noted by some of his coworkers he seemed relatively lousy and uncareful (contrasting to L. Newson)
20:07 What photographs ???
I don’t think they’ll ever be in the public domain. They’ll be held in police/ investigation archives.
He practiced it the trip before
The one thing that makes me somewhat doubt the conclusions of what happened is where the accident happened.
I mean, if this driver had this 'seizure'? Of ALL the stations for this to happen at...it happened to be at this one station that had a dead end wall in front of it.
I am not saying he did it deliberately.
But the coincidence is too great for me to just assume it was a 'seizure'.
But - sadly - we will probably never know the truth.
That is a very good point, it seems that every theory put forward has an equal amount of evidence against it.
Well he was my dads uncle and my dad was young at the time and says he was happy and never looked like he was depressed and had worked on the tube for many years so I’m not sure what went on I am not saying it wasn’t suicide it defo could be. It’s just a weird story and we will never know what happened or what went through his mind that morning
@@aaronwallace4277 my condolences.
As far as i have read, this has all the hallmarks of a suicide. But the experts seem to disagree to this day!.
@@aaronwallace4277 I would never say that this particular case was a suicide. But I would just say that suicidal people are sometimes very good at concealing how they feel..
Suicide
The brakes failed as the trains had been swapped because of the brake failure, with the broken one supposed to have gone to the yard for repair.
Why do you think the government has sealed the case and all the files until 2051?
Too right M.M. Mr. L. Newson was sat upright staring straight ahead with his hands on the controls, he was experiencing brake failure and he didn't have time to figure it out or do anything about it.
A driver who accidentally hits the gas instead of the brake, will in some cases just press the throttle harder convinced it is the brake. Similarly, if your pressing a brake and it doesn't work, you just press harder. His fixed stare looking straight ahead was him trying to stop the train until the last micro second, he didn't raise his hands to protect himself because he was doing his job, driving the train, only this train was buggered.
The guard really needs looking at, he was the one who reported Mr. Newson had overshot stations in the preceding weeks, yet he didn't report it at the time or write it in his log book. The labour government of the day swept it all under the carpet, except now the blood stains are starting to seep through.
Rubbish
So why did all the mechanical examinations come back as the brakes were fully functional if it was "buggered"
This is sadly an inaccurate explanation. The post crash examination of the train showed that the brakes had nothing wrong with them, and the post mortem x-ray along with examination of the controls both showed he had not moved the brake handle at all in an attempt to stop the train. If he had realised brake failure was imminent, he could have instead raised his hand off the dead man's handle, which would use a separate system of activation meaning the train could have still stopped.
I think the driver killed himself to be honest!!
so why did he have money in his pocket intending to go and buy his daughter a car after e finished his shift?
where was the suicide note?
The Driver committed Suicide!
so why did he have money in his pocket intending to go and buy his daughter a car after e finished his shift?
where was the suicide note?
@@Thebigdog_1984 He knew his daughter would get the money is why !! lt had her name written on it !! He don't need a suicide note !!! Maybe the wife would lose some of his pension if it was a suicide ?
@@Sam_Green____4114 he didn't even raise his hands from the controls.