You're asking the question we were all thinking. If you have one machined side among multiple parts, I imagine you could lock down that half and get some reasonable repeatability. I wanted to se him run a mic across that second part to see how close to parallel it was to the machine.
it's not made for any kind of repeatability )) it's for holding odd shapes for quick jobs. if you want repeatability on odd parts then mill yourself a set of soft jaws.
An interesting device. They list the price on their site for the bundle you showed at $7700. Parts are very pricey as well. Hard to justify this for that price. Seems like a similar idea to a fractal vice.
Ding! I immediately thought of a fractal vise. I can see where this would be more useful in a production environment, though. You could bump the part around and get it to indicate true along a given axis before locking it down tight...then bust out 50 parts. I don't think you can lock down a fractal vise... Plus there are a bunch of chip-magnet crevices just waiting to cause trouble!
I would have been interested to see how true the features on the second workpiece were when it was locked down, and how repeatable the that trueness was when removing and replacing parts on a production run
I guess it’ll depend on the production volume (for CNC, anyway) Round 20 to 100 of the same part for a one time production run? Not worth the jig, but this finger vise will come handy. 250-1000 of a part that may possibly be produced again another time? Jigs, hands down, both for making the raw stock and for the actual machining of the parts. Naturally this will vary according to need, tooling available and budget, so these are just my two cents.
This is likely sponsored content, so there's likely already an agreement in place on the (minimum?) number of videos we'll be seeing with these vise jaws prominently shown
When are you going to make something Adam? You could literally build anything that you wanted with the machinery and workshop you have! It would be a crying shame not to make some awesome stuff
I have been eyeing these for a minute. Glad you did a review. Oddly enough, this is NOT a new idea. Hand Tool Rescue did a restoration of a fractal vise a year or so back, and while the mechanism is different the idea is identical.
The channel "make everything" just released a video of him fixing up a similar vise to this one that uses small ball bearings behind the fingers to help them conform to shapes. It's pretty cool.
Ha ha it's getting a bit ridiculous now all those really expensive machines that hardly any of us could dream of owning and you are not even wearing the paint off any of them
Give me a break! Yet another unboxing video! When was the last time Abom did production work needing repeatability? See Hand Tool Rescue break down and rebuild a Fractal Vise. Much more enlightening.
I saw a similar system for hydraulic turning-chucks years ago, not sure how good it worked. But this here is really well designed, i like the "parallels" - feature. Good product!
Seems like it is best suited for CNC work. Others have questioned the ease of aligning critical features to an axis. I can see that being tricky on a conventional mill. With CNC, you can just indicate the location of two features and the tool paths can be adjusted by the software to match the alignment. You don't even need to worry about repeating the setup for a new batch next month. Just set the first part, indicate its position, and off you go.
That is really cool. It looks like it indexes and holds odd shapes at the same time so that multiple parts can be machined one after the other with out re-fixturing. Nice. Expensive but nice. Adaptix should appreciate the way you rep their product. Great job.
I use the great granndad to this vise on my Carlton radial arm drill. It works good. Mine is more convenient to use since it does not require tools to adjust. I would not think it to have the positional repeatability to do part to part and be within .001" but you could probably get within .010"
Maybe when he realizes the channel is going downhill fast and needs to get the attention of the people again with the content that made the channel big.
Interesting setup. My doubt is that if you need to align a pre machined feature likte the holes in the last piece you've put in the vice how are you going to be sure that those holes ale lined up with , for example the x axis? I think for that purpose a pocket in soft jaws or a fixture plate with some pins would be much more repeatable.
Very neat system. I noticed that when clamping the sliding jaws on your second part that the upper surfaces of the part were not parallel to the X axis of the table. The irregular part was firmly held but if there are features that need to align with the machine axes there may be additional setup steps to indicate and bump your part into alignment before locking the sliding jaws.
Just click your heels together 3 times! I need a new vise, I need a new vise, I need a new vise! Wasn't that easy? Now for the CNC machine...... But you'll have to settle for a used fork lift, can't work miracles! Sorry!
@HM I think the forklift was for Abby! Giggle, Giggle, snort, snort, cute! At least he got a NEW battery, really sweating that one knowing how tight money is. Have I told you about supporting me on Patreon...........
That's quite a neat way to clamp parts with unusual shapes. Can't help but wonder it the fingers will apply the same pressure on each area of the same shape with a standard tolerance or if they will need to be loosened, adjusted, and re-torqued for each part?
Real work being done at Cutting Edge Engineering. Kurtis is dissatisfied with his quick change tool post. No unboxing video here. So he has designed and is crafting a new one from scratch. Real machine work, by an actual machinist! Go figure!
Yeah Jerry This channel has really changed. A lot of unboxing videos but I hope Adam will get back to doing real work after he has this ultimate shop completely set up and running. Can't really blame him, who wouldn't want to have this shop and space with everything he is amassing in there.
@Ali Retard But he has already run out of space! He will have to park his fork lift outside to get into the shop. And why he didn't put the office on a mezzanine instead of taking up valuable floor space for storage?! The whole shop is a mystery. If he has all these resources, why rent? Why a space with no expansion. He already stated he will keep the old shop open and go back and forth?! It's why folks keep asking questions.
Pretty cool tools. I'd be interested to see how it deals with an oddball piece that has a definite axis or centerline and how you make sure that axis is aligned with the axis of the mill.
I don't know if I would ever machine enough standard soft jaws to balance that price-tag (I could buy 9 more Kurt DX6's for that much) but they are cool. All the money aside, what would be really cool would be a cam plugin for Fusion360 where you could put a pin in the chuck of a CNC and it would bump each jaw into place based on the geometry of a second op part shape. It might open another market for them since this has no rotational accuracy when forming itself to a part. More of a NYC-CNC thing for John maybe.
How parallel were the straight features? Might be worth trying some preload on the jaws, to get a more even pressure. Definitely has benefits for production work, where making a holding fixture is not practical. Going to be hard to justify the cost.
This looks like a really useful system. It's pricey, but if you deal with a lot of irregular shaped work pieces in a production shop, not having to make and switch out custom jigs nearly as often could save a tremendous amount of time. It's probably not terribly cost effective for a home shop though.
Yeah if I regularly dealt with the same components I'd probably invest some time in building a library of custom fixtures to have at the ready. But if the jobs are super varied and it's rare to get the same exact job repeatedly then this could definitely save some time
Build one similar, looks to be doable in a home shop. Not even too hard to use existing vise and remove the jaws. This system isn't new !!! Also, why did they make the clamping portion so high off of the vise table. Creates a very large moment.
@@shawnlund If you have a pre-machined part you could set up the jaws to hold it, then tram the entire vice into position off the part. Doing that, you'll have a repeatable, oriented setup.
Nice system with lots of moving parts. It looks like it's made for a clean and careful machinist. No dead-blow hammers allowed with that pristine setup. I would like to see their repeatability of the setup with an indicator.
I miss seeing the photo of you, your grandpa, and your dad. This is the first time you didn't include them that I've seen, and I've watched you grow for years. Great content Adam, keep it up!
I love learning. So the half sphere has its rounded side pushing into the work-facing component, and the flat side pressed against the sloped face of the hook that's bolted to the clamp, or part of the moving block that slides in the clamp, to provide both inward work-holding force, and downward press-jaws-to-reference-surface force, through a single point of contact against the inside of the jaw? This explains why my dad was so insistent about never leaving things sitting against that bottom surface in the throat, or sitting on the tail behind the moving jaw.
I've seen these or something like them on Instagram ads. I've always wondered how machined surfaces fare in those after they've been clamped onto those steel pins. Can't wait to see you put them to use. 🙂
Adam you need to check out your buddy Eric's channel (hand tool rescue) where he restores a very old version of one of these adaptable vises by a company called Mantle and Co from the 20s. Each jaw had 15 individual swiveling pieces with a total of 30. Its amazing how what you bought has roots and inspiration from a century ago.
Interesting tool and will be useful with odd ball jobs. I wonder if there is a way to integrate the torque requirement in to the nut to tighten the moving fingers. That way you wouldn’t have to have a torque wrench, just grab a regular wrench to tighten then the nut slips when it is to the correct value.
Interesting design, but isn't there a problem? Unless I'm missing something, how could you determine if any part of your part was trammed with your mill?
I mean, you could tram it then adjust the fingers. That second piece had a straight area you could tram and then bump before you tightened the fingers. If there is no straight area, you were going to have trouble tramming it anyway.
You definitely get some really cool stuff I can see where that would come in handy as for cleaning up I’m sure if you are in a production run the coolant and air would help. If I had one I would definitely put it through its paces
@@ptv1250 I guess it depends on the shop. If you're regularly dealing with odd shaped parts that are always different, these could make sense. Like if you deal with a lot of repair/replacement jobs on customer components. If you do anything more in bulk, or you tend to have orders for a few of one part with a bunch of components you do regularly, then yeah machining your own soft jaws makes sense so you build up a bit of a library
@@xxn0cturn3xx As a machining business owner, there's investing in the right tools, and there's flushing money. Most owners are going to want to buy 2x double station orange vices with 10 soft jaws over this.
How does it clamp the jaw segments? Are they just squeezed together when you tighten the clamping bolt, or is there some eccentric shaft and holes that push them against the bottom surface?
At a cost of up against $8000, how expensive would it be to machine a makeshift "negative" form for your vice, to hold a given shape ? Of course this depends on the amount of frequent changeovers you have, if you do 1 piece at a time, or "mass production" of hundreds. At work, we have changeable holders that can be set in the CNC machine with a precision of 1/1000 mm. Similar idea. Saves a lot of changeover time to find the zero point.
Awesome vice, I assume if you got a machined part as reference you could indicate that before torqueing that part of the vice with red knobs hand tightened , or say you got an unever part with marked out reference in relation to unevenence section in part..........
While i think this is an Amazing product i could not help but notice when you had the item "Snug" you can see air between one of the nubs and the test part you did last. Seems like a good product tho, but, i feel you may want to pay close attention to make sure part is secured before machining on it.
@@seancollins9745 Sure, if there wasn't an industry accepted, cheaper, quicker, more process reliable and more accurate alternative. Put it like this: if they were good value for money, they'd be everywhere. The fact I've never seen them in any shop says more than this ever could.
There are much smaller vintage vices you can see videos of people restoring on here that have a reservoir of tiny oiled BBs that take up the space as the vice fingers are pushed into it. As the highs on the workpiece push into the vice face the other fingers push into the lows. They also have levers to reset the fingers back out flat.
It looks like the torque setting on the drill / driver already meet or exceeds that of the supplied tool, Damage to the fittings on the fingers may occur with excessive torque.
Cool.. Would love something like that for when my friend brings odd shaped parts that need a little bit of milling or drilling - brake caliper for a motorcycle for example - not straight edge anywhere.
@@richardjones7249 Well, that's why I said "Would love" rather than "heading out to buy one right now". And yes, very, very much "mates rates" - as in typically "you buy me a beer/food some day later".
That setup looks good. Have you ever seen a setup that has a chamber behind the fingers half filled with mini ball bearings that move allowing the fingers to self align? Flip a lever and they return to the start position. There's also an 1800's fractal self aligning unit that can hold an egg or crush square tubing. Mesmerizing to watch it work. If you ever want to challenge your skills... Make one.
I have to say that your videos are so well put together and so informative that I really love watching them ... and I work in electronics :-) Great work and I wish you all the success in the future!
This vice will only be good for facing the flashing on 2.5d parts on your CNC mill. You couldn’t insert a part and expect it to be parallel with the vice itself. How could you do any mill work when you have no idea how your part is really oriented?
Much happier when this Chanel actually made some chips. This new workshop is just one big advert in my opinion. Bring back the old stuff.
Would be interesting to test with an indicator how repeatable the part position is
You're asking the question we were all thinking. If you have one machined side among multiple parts, I imagine you could lock down that half and get some reasonable repeatability. I wanted to se him run a mic across that second part to see how close to parallel it was to the machine.
Yup... We're all thinking it. It almost seems like the vice section needs to be on a lockable rotating base.
For repeatability, might you want an end stop in place?
From what I saw I would say not that accurate. Good for a one-off operation, but not for a batch in my mind.
it's not made for any kind of repeatability )) it's for holding odd shapes for quick jobs.
if you want repeatability on odd parts then mill yourself a set of soft jaws.
An interesting device. They list the price on their site for the bundle you showed at $7700. Parts are very pricey as well. Hard to justify this for that price. Seems like a similar idea to a fractal vice.
Ding! I immediately thought of a fractal vise. I can see where this would be more useful in a production environment, though.
You could bump the part around and get it to indicate true along a given axis before locking it down tight...then bust out 50 parts.
I don't think you can lock down a fractal vise... Plus there are a bunch of chip-magnet crevices just waiting to cause trouble!
I don't know, that sounds like a pretty reasonable price for a precision tool/instrument that is meant to last.
I would have been interested to see how true the features on the second workpiece were when it was locked down, and how repeatable the that trueness was when removing and replacing parts on a production run
@@Bluswede If you're doing large scale production, wouldn't it make more sense to make a custom jig for each part?
I guess it’ll depend on the production volume (for CNC, anyway)
Round 20 to 100 of the same part for a one time production run? Not worth the jig, but this finger vise will come handy.
250-1000 of a part that may possibly be produced again another time? Jigs, hands down, both for making the raw stock and for the actual machining of the parts.
Naturally this will vary according to need, tooling available and budget, so these are just my two cents.
Please bring back the videos of you actually working on things.
I think the real proof will be how many videos we see going forward where Abom actually uses this tool.
I don't think anyone really expects to see that. Probably yet another unboxing video!
He has been using it for a couple of weeks on Facebook.
This is likely sponsored content, so there's likely already an agreement in place on the (minimum?) number of videos we'll be seeing with these vise jaws prominently shown
reminds me of the "fractal vice" that hand tool rescue restored last year. very cool concept with both vices
Yeah, but waaaay more simple mechanically than that system was.
It's their version of the fractal vice. Old idea reborn but maybe tweeked enough to not infringe
When are you going to make something Adam? You could literally build anything that you wanted with the machinery and workshop you have! It would be a crying shame not to make some awesome stuff
I have been eyeing these for a minute. Glad you did a review.
Oddly enough, this is NOT a new idea. Hand Tool Rescue did a restoration of a fractal vise a year or so back, and while the mechanism is different the idea is identical.
The channel "make everything" just released a video of him fixing up a similar vise to this one that uses small ball bearings behind the fingers to help them conform to shapes. It's pretty cool.
@@bendingsands87 I recently saw that same video, where the ball bearings equalized the force between the segments.
I didn't realise they still did infomercials
“But wait there’s more”
Adam is the reincarnation of Ron Popeil, remember the Ronco Rotisserie on late night TV?
Ha ha it's getting a bit ridiculous now all those really expensive machines that hardly any of us could dream of owning and you are not even wearing the paint off any of them
That is a sweet vise. I must say every time I see you start a socket cap with that impact driver I get a shiver.
More adds than the Super Bowl on this one
Give me a break! Yet another unboxing video! When was the last time Abom did production work needing repeatability? See Hand Tool Rescue break down and rebuild a Fractal Vise. Much more enlightening.
"another great addition to the shop"
It didn't click with me until you showed taking the part out and putting it back in. The repeatability for irregular parts like this is so cool!
I saw a similar system for hydraulic turning-chucks years ago, not sure how good it worked. But this here is really well designed, i like the "parallels" - feature. Good product!
I think that the gloves are to stop the machines getting dirty? Awesome showroom though
I would like to see a measurement what the part does in z-direction once the whole thing is tightened down.
Seems like it is best suited for CNC work. Others have questioned the ease of aligning critical features to an axis. I can see that being tricky on a conventional mill. With CNC, you can just indicate the location of two features and the tool paths can be adjusted by the software to match the alignment. You don't even need to worry about repeating the setup for a new batch next month. Just set the first part, indicate its position, and off you go.
So impressed by the adjustable clamping of unparallel objects surfaces.
Adam are you related to Ron Popeil by any chance ?
lmao
Either Ron Popeil or Billy Mays from OxyClean.
The Adaptix vise oozes quality. A very impressive piece of kit.
Welcome back to the showroom with yet another unboxing for your viewing pleasure. I thought this was a machinning channel?
An incredible evolution of the fractal vise, very cool
Have you seen hand tool rescues channel fractal vise restoration?
Works just like the old antique fractal vise. Pretty cool!!!
That's a pretty sweet setup there. The possibilities are endless.
That is really cool. It looks like it indexes and holds odd shapes at the same time so that multiple parts can be machined one after the other with out re-fixturing. Nice. Expensive but nice. Adaptix should appreciate the way you rep their product. Great job.
Can I ask what sort of work you going to do on the flex cnc 👍
None whatsoever, its all about the money!
^^^agreed^^^. It’s just a dust collector at this point.
A question I would expect Flexarm to ask prior to delivery...
I use the great granndad to this vise on my Carlton radial arm drill. It works good. Mine is more convenient to use since it does not require tools to adjust. I would not think it to have the positional repeatability to do part to part and be within .001" but you could probably get within .010"
Brian - could you post a short video of that on your channel? :-)
looks nice! but will we ever get to see all of the "new" machines and things do actual work?
Maybe when he realizes the channel is going downhill fast and needs to get the attention of the people again with the content that made the channel big.
@@slavikspakoina Couldn't agree more.
Come on Adam, starting cutting chips
Go watch Curtis from CEE in Australia Adam your channel used to be good to watch but you seem to be becoming a shop window for new machines and tools
Interesting setup. My doubt is that if you need to align a pre machined feature likte the holes in the last piece you've put in the vice how are you going to be sure that those holes ale lined up with , for example the x axis? I think for that purpose a pocket in soft jaws or a fixture plate with some pins would be much more repeatable.
Put an indicator on the end of that second piece and see how repeatable the placement is...
That soft-jaw system looks awesome!
wow.....your industry has some of the coolest tools and parts! very cool
Very neat system. I noticed that when clamping the sliding jaws on your second part that the upper surfaces of the part were not parallel to the X axis of the table. The irregular part was firmly held but if there are features that need to align with the machine axes there may be additional setup steps to indicate and bump your part into alignment before locking the sliding jaws.
my thoughts exactly
wow, this will be a nice addition to the shop though the price will be out of reach for many small / home shops. $7000!!! 🙀
Just click your heels together 3 times! I need a new vise, I need a new vise, I need a new vise! Wasn't that easy? Now for the CNC machine...... But you'll have to settle for a used fork lift, can't work miracles! Sorry!
@@jerrylondon2388 😂 or ask Abom for his when he gets bored of it.
@HM I think the forklift was for Abby! Giggle, Giggle, snort, snort, cute! At least he got a NEW battery, really sweating that one knowing how tight money is. Have I told you about supporting me on Patreon...........
Brilliant ! Love watching Adam walk us through many things.
That's quite a neat way to clamp parts with unusual shapes. Can't help but wonder it the fingers will apply the same pressure on each area of the same shape with a standard tolerance or if they will need to be loosened, adjusted, and re-torqued for each part?
Real work being done at Cutting Edge Engineering. Kurtis is dissatisfied with his quick change tool post. No unboxing video here. So he has designed and is crafting a new one from scratch. Real machine work, by an actual machinist! Go figure!
I agree, love watching an actual working machine shop. Check out Inheritance Machine, he makes his own tools too.
I agree 👍
Yeah Jerry This channel has really changed. A lot of unboxing videos but I hope Adam will get back to doing real work after he has this ultimate shop completely set up and running. Can't really blame him, who wouldn't want to have this shop and space with everything he is amassing in there.
Just got Kurtis's tool post video on now. Very interesting.
@Ali Retard But he has already run out of space! He will have to park his fork lift outside to get into the shop. And why he didn't put the office on a mezzanine instead of taking up valuable floor space for storage?! The whole shop is a mystery. If he has all these resources, why rent? Why a space with no expansion. He already stated he will keep the old shop open and go back and forth?! It's why folks keep asking questions.
Must touch.
Отличное приспособление для крепления деталей с фасонной поверхностью!👍👍👍
Pretty cool tools. I'd be interested to see how it deals with an oddball piece that has a definite axis or centerline and how you make sure that axis is aligned with the axis of the mill.
Would there be any difference?
@@LeglessWonder Maybe. Say you need to widen a slot in a part, the axis of the slot should line up with the axis of the machine.
Guess you could indicate in the entire vice (measuring the feature on the part).
This vice does not allow you to know the true orientation of the part. It’s not meant for doing machine work on oddly shaped parts.
@@shawnlund What exactly is it for then?
yeah but how are you getting the part trammed in?
I don't know if I would ever machine enough standard soft jaws to balance that price-tag (I could buy 9 more Kurt DX6's for that much) but they are cool. All the money aside, what would be really cool would be a cam plugin for Fusion360 where you could put a pin in the chuck of a CNC and it would bump each jaw into place based on the geometry of a second op part shape. It might open another market for them since this has no rotational accuracy when forming itself to a part. More of a NYC-CNC thing for John maybe.
Good idea. I would love to see someone make a powered version. Like the flying sliders sound recording desks used to have
How parallel were the straight features?
Might be worth trying some preload on the jaws, to get a more even pressure.
Definitely has benefits for production work, where making a holding fixture is not practical.
Going to be hard to justify the cost.
This kind of "adaptive" vise is something I have seen very old versions of, but the exact setup with the straight bars I have not seen before.
This looks like a really useful system. It's pricey, but if you deal with a lot of irregular shaped work pieces in a production shop, not having to make and switch out custom jigs nearly as often could save a tremendous amount of time. It's probably not terribly cost effective for a home shop though.
Those things make Erowa stuff look cheap!
Yeah if I regularly dealt with the same components I'd probably invest some time in building a library of custom fixtures to have at the ready. But if the jobs are super varied and it's rare to get the same exact job repeatedly then this could definitely save some time
How would you ever know the parts orientation? There is zero ability to properly orientate the part in the vice.
Build one similar, looks to be doable in a home shop. Not even too hard to use existing vise and remove the jaws. This system isn't new !!! Also, why did they make the clamping portion so high off of the vise table. Creates a very large moment.
@@shawnlund If you have a pre-machined part you could set up the jaws to hold it, then tram the entire vice into position off the part. Doing that, you'll have a repeatable, oriented setup.
Interesting device. Basically a beefed-up countour gauge. I wonder how much force it can apply before risking failure, though.
Nice system with lots of moving parts. It looks like it's made for a clean and careful machinist. No dead-blow hammers allowed with that pristine setup.
I would like to see their repeatability of the setup with an indicator.
I miss seeing the photo of you, your grandpa, and your dad. This is the first time you didn't include them that I've seen, and I've watched you grow for years. Great content Adam, keep it up!
I love learning. So the half sphere has its rounded side pushing into the work-facing component, and the flat side pressed against the sloped face of the hook that's bolted to the clamp, or part of the moving block that slides in the clamp, to provide both inward work-holding force, and downward press-jaws-to-reference-surface force, through a single point of contact against the inside of the jaw?
This explains why my dad was so insistent about never leaving things sitting against that bottom surface in the throat, or sitting on the tail behind the moving jaw.
I wonder if it matters if the pins aren't installed in the same blocks they were in when the tops were milled?
I've seen these or something like them on Instagram ads. I've always wondered how machined surfaces fare in those after they've been clamped onto those steel pins. Can't wait to see you put them to use. 🙂
Nice jaws. Hope they clean out pretty easy after use. I got a lot of Wera tools. Great quality tools.
Do they have brass inserts to make it a real soft jaw?
did you try to indicate the straight, flat section of the second test piece?
Reminds me of an old fractal vice I saw on another TH-cam restoration channel who's name I forget.
Showed up "5 minutes ago" and there's already 469 views! Amazing. Thanks, Adam. I very much enjoy all your videos!
Very useful, especially in a mechanical application with vehicle parts.
It kind of reminds me of the Fractal Vise that Hand Tool Rescue restored a while back.
A very similar, but more modernized version.
Adam you need to check out your buddy Eric's channel (hand tool rescue) where he restores a very old version of one of these adaptable vises by a company called Mantle and Co from the 20s. Each jaw had 15 individual swiveling pieces with a total of 30. Its amazing how what you bought has roots and inspiration from a century ago.
Nothing really New under the sun they say.
That's a pretty slick vise jaw I did some billing years ago when I worked for one place I haven't done it in forever but that would have been nice
I think coolant and swarf would be a problem? Thanks for your time
Pete in South Carolina
Interesting tool and will be useful with odd ball jobs. I wonder if there is a way to integrate the torque requirement in to the nut to tighten the moving fingers. That way you wouldn’t have to have a torque wrench, just grab a regular wrench to tighten then the nut slips when it is to the correct value.
Cool Vise. Very similar to a Fractal Vise designed about 100 yrs. ago.
Interesting system! How do you ensure that the centreline or previously machined features of a part remain parallel to the X axis if required ?
Interesting design, but isn't there a problem?
Unless I'm missing something, how could you determine if any part of your part was trammed with your mill?
I mean, you could tram it then adjust the fingers. That second piece had a straight area you could tram and then bump before you tightened the fingers. If there is no straight area, you were going to have trouble tramming it anyway.
Putting any in the CNC?
Saves you from having to make a custom machining fixture at least. I used to work in a different part of Norgren, weird to see the logo on TH-cam.
You definitely get some really cool stuff I can see where that would come in handy as for cleaning up I’m sure if you are in a production run the coolant and air would help. If I had one I would definitely put it through its paces
Way cool especially for parts that require custom fixtures. The repeatability is fantastic, but for $6,000 - it had better be.
can buy a lot of soft jaws for 6,000
$6,000 wouldn’t take too much time savings from not having to make soft jaws to pan out over a year or three
@@ptv1250 I guess it depends on the shop. If you're regularly dealing with odd shaped parts that are always different, these could make sense. Like if you deal with a lot of repair/replacement jobs on customer components.
If you do anything more in bulk, or you tend to have orders for a few of one part with a bunch of components you do regularly, then yeah machining your own soft jaws makes sense so you build up a bit of a library
pocket change for a company that makes thousands per year, you all talk like these tools are made for the average joe.
@@xxn0cturn3xx As a machining business owner, there's investing in the right tools, and there's flushing money. Most owners are going to want to buy 2x double station orange vices with 10 soft jaws over this.
It's a new version of the old fractal vise but the old one didn't need all the setup and torquing.
In the first example, weren't the center "hard' pairs supposed to be in contact before the movable fingers? As in the 2nd example.
Anyone know the reason for the black gloves? I'm all for protection against toxic substances, but setting up a vice?
At this point he's just cosplaying a machinist. Dude is a machinist furry.
I can see many car part needing to be in that fixture. Thanks for sharing.
Did I read that correctly? IMI Norgren? Industrially I use a long of there frl's and other pneumatic components.
Useful in a multi run parts job but the swarf will build up. Shame it won't be used to what it is ment for.
This makes me think of all of those times you've had to clamp things like carburetors to do broken screw extraction.
How does it clamp the jaw segments? Are they just squeezed together when you tighten the clamping bolt, or is there some eccentric shaft and holes that push them against the bottom surface?
At a cost of up against $8000, how expensive would it be to machine a makeshift "negative" form for your vice, to hold a given shape ? Of course this depends on the amount of frequent changeovers you have, if you do 1 piece at a time, or "mass production" of hundreds. At work, we have changeable holders that can be set in the CNC machine with a precision of 1/1000 mm. Similar idea. Saves a lot of changeover time to find the zero point.
I wonder if you should be tapping down on the part as tradition when just sitting on parallels.
Awesome vice, I assume if you got a machined part as reference you could indicate that before torqueing that part of the vice with red knobs hand tightened , or say you got an unever part with marked out reference in relation to unevenence section in part..........
I was wondering why no one did manufacture fractal vices anymore. Not wondering no more. Cool piece.
You mentioned that you thought this vice would have a place in manufacturing. Do you have plans to manufacture products in the future?
An awesome piece of equipment. But i guess it would cost more than my whole workshop. haha.
Regards.
Steve.
Indicate a piece in, then remove and replace to check how accurate it is.
While i think this is an Amazing product i could not help but notice when you had the item "Snug" you can see air between one of the nubs and the test part you did last. Seems like a good product tho, but, i feel you may want to pay close attention to make sure part is secured before machining on it.
OMG..those jaws are $7K....that's crazy
lol that's like a 2 year salary in my country
That's crazy , on the high side I expected this to cost around $1500
Since you already need a Kurt... $7K is an awful lot of soft jaws
@@canonicaltom Spindle time is worth about $100 hr, it's actually a pretty good deal
@@seancollins9745 Sure, if there wasn't an industry accepted, cheaper, quicker, more process reliable and more accurate alternative. Put it like this: if they were good value for money, they'd be everywhere. The fact I've never seen them in any shop says more than this ever could.
There are much smaller vintage vices you can see videos of people restoring on here that have a reservoir of tiny oiled BBs that take up the space as the vice fingers are pushed into it. As the highs on the workpiece push into the vice face the other fingers push into the lows. They also have levers to reset the fingers back out flat.
We see vertical movement of the jaws while inserting the tips. How is that addressed when setting up parts?
That is a really neat vice, I can see a lot of potential for the unit in a CNC production shop.
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It looks like the torque setting on the drill / driver already meet or exceeds that of the supplied tool,
Damage to the fittings on the fingers may occur with excessive torque.
I'd be curious to see the process of indicating certain features of the part to parallel with the mill with this vise. Could be a real PITA.
Great solution for a common problem!!!
Looks more like a solution looking for a problem to me.
Cool.. Would love something like that for when my friend brings odd shaped parts that need a little bit of milling or drilling - brake caliper for a motorcycle for example - not straight edge anywhere.
But would you fork out $7k so that you could clamp your friend's jobs easier, presumably at 'mates rates'?
@@richardjones7249 Well, that's why I said "Would love" rather than "heading out to buy one right now". And yes, very, very much "mates rates" - as in typically "you buy me a beer/food some day later".
So, after all that setup, do you get to keep them or just try them?
"88.1 Nm" on the dial on the side... do you need a torque wrench accurate to 0.1% to use this vise in you're using metric?
That setup looks good.
Have you ever seen a setup that has a chamber behind the fingers half filled with mini ball bearings that move allowing the fingers to self align? Flip a lever and they return to the start position.
There's also an 1800's fractal self aligning unit that can hold an egg or crush square tubing. Mesmerizing to watch it work. If you ever want to challenge your skills... Make one.
I have to say that your videos are so well put together and so informative that I really love watching them ... and I work in electronics :-) Great work and I wish you all the success in the future!
Those amongst us who hasn't had a part in the past that these jaws would not have been a great help making an easy set-up on just ain't doing much!
Hand tool restoration restored the grandfather to that vice
This vice will only be good for facing the flashing on 2.5d parts on your CNC mill. You couldn’t insert a part and expect it to be parallel with the vice itself. How could you do any mill work when you have no idea how your part is really oriented?