Fantasy WC3 patch - implemented! Crazy changes! Taurens CANNOT BE SLOWED! - Grubby
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2024
- Someone just created a Warcraft 3 map that includes all the changes that I detailed in my recent patch "Wishlist" video, and I'm here to try MY version of the new Taurens, Windriders, and more!
Fantasy WC3 patch - implemented! Crazy changes! Taurens CANNOT BE SLOWED! (Game played on 9-May-2024)
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Blizzard did what!!!! This patch is crazy!!!!!
game crashing patch
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
@@samchapermann caught in a landslide! No escape from our misery!
Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see..
Yeah, I'm just a poor boy...
It’s crazy that blizzard actually implemented these changes on the actual game of Warcraft 3. Thank you grubby for bringing this to all of our attention
They didn't, a user did this
@@FollowGrubby that isnt what Grubby said, he clearly said that Blizzard NYSE:ATVI filed with the SEC that this new expansion because it will send their stock price to the moon. His exact words
@@FollowGrubby A user named Blizzard right?
Give Ogre Mauler merc bash (5%) so they can do special animation, and its ogre now can be a thing.
I really NEED Grubby to comment on Lynn beating Happy 2-1 with Wyvern
Minor aesthetic nitpick, but it seems like the tauren range increase makes it so targets are just *barely* beyond the physical appearance of their attack. If it's possible to increase their model scaling in-game, without necessarily increasing their collision radius, that would make it feel more congruent with their new range. It might be wacky to nitpick a fan-made map for a theoretical patch for a 20-something year old game but what else are youtube comment sections for?
Honestly quite easy to implement, and deserved too, since taurens are much smaller than a TC
What about making the Wind Rider have unarmored as armor type instead of gaining one armor point? This will decrease the incoming damage of piercing from 200% to 150% and magic from 125% to 100%, but increasing siege from 100% to 150%. Gargoyles have unarmored and even higher movement speed, and they seem quite balanced.
Yeah i think this would help them more than anything. And it still makes sense, the wyvern does look pretty naked. :)
That is actually awesome, that you can adjust the changes by yourself! The community could do a much better job than blizzard balancing stuff and make it more fun
The world editor for warcraft 3 is fairly intuitive to use, I'd highly recommend giving it a try! I used to mess around with it quite a lot reskinning the original races to look and attack differently so i could play against a functioning ai of it. The only difficulty i found with the editor is damage which is represented via dice values.
i mean... why is this a surprise, do u not know custom maps exist? these changes are nothing compared to some good custom maps
@@michalvrabec454 you think everyone knows that? I don’t care about making maps. And I don’t play custom maps so yeah.
@@Samsemillya custom maps are like... the most iconic thing about warcraft, many people play warcraft just for the custom maps, without custom maps I myself wouldn't be playing or caring about warcraft
@@michalvrabec454 nice to hear, well for me it’s the rts part of the game, and not the custom maps.
Windriders need a bigger overhaul. If their big problem is they’re too easy to spam at T2, and therefore need to be weak for T2 rush not to be OP, then move to T3 and give them a ton more hp. Make them kind of an orc equivalent to gryphons, but with more potential for cheeky surprise transitions since they dont need their own building.
Gonna copy my comment from when he was ranking Orc units - Basically, why not both?
- Honestly think they should give Wind-riders the berserker-destroyer treatment. Make their current form weaker, less pop dmg & hp, and come out earlier. Give them a T3 upgrade that allows them to morph or "grow" into Wyvern Matriarch riders, like a Destroyer would, that would be a stronger, tougher, and higher pop version than the current values.
Also from a comment in the orc tier list: Wyverns should lose the slow venom ability and instead gain a T3 upgrade, Corrosive bile, that decreases the armor of units it hits. That way it can play either a supporting role or act as a counter to heavy armor when massed, similar to other T3 flyers.
I definitely noticed the taurens catching up faster to the dryad slow poison. The extra range and the slow reduction makes it less kiteable especially when the terrain isnt as open. I like it
That purge on friendly fire is crazy, something new to learn about wc3 every stream
This is awesome that someone was able to implement several changes from your fantasy patch ideas.
i did figure 2 ways to make witchdoctor more viable:
1.
new abilety - mimic totem
a totem that lasts 30 seconds, has 5 hp and other atributes depending on the totem it copies
mimic totem mimics the last totem you cast with this witch doctor, it will mimic the name, cooldown, visebilety, mana cost and aperance of the other totem but not have anny of its other effects (no Los, stunn or healing but will cause spell effects as if it does) if a mimic totem is dispelled it causes a mana burn on the target ecual to twise its own cost to the dispeller, if it is mindcontroled it stunns the controler while still alive
the goal here is to create counterplay to dispelling with counterplay posible from the oponent, the mana burn can be counterd buy the games myriad mana restoraion options and the mind-control stunn can be counterd buy anny other unit attacking the now firendly totem.
obviusly the abilety is meant to cause some amount of mind-games the rather short duration and duplication of recent totems are hints as to its true nature but unlike static totem you dont counter it with detection, you counter it buy ignoring the right one as if you do its just wasted mana to the orc player
2.
combine the spirit lodge upgrades
this one is rahter simple, witch doctors and shamans get uppgraded together so investing is a witchdoctor or 2 is a far smaler loss and may be worth it if you can get some amount of value from their abileties
A longer comment. I hope, TH-cam doesn't delete it. They don't like long comments:
Another suggestion for the DL, basically a rework of vampiric, and a radical one, that totally could backfire.
Maybe just as inspiration to rework vampiric aura to make DL better during the early game, especially with fiends, but weaker with gargs vs air lategame:
Maybe DL aura should be different in general, and units nearby the DL should get a part of the dmg he deals, as HP, while he himself gets percentage of the dmg he deals as heal than units nearby.
F.e. if he deals 40 dmg, lvl 1/2/3 vampiric gives units nearby 6/9/12 per hit, and the DL gets 9/13/18 or something like that. Just an example.
Or units nearby get a certain percentage amount of their base HP, or of their missing HP, so units with more missing HP get more heal. But that could make f.e. abos very tanky, but you could play around it with hex or stun against the DL. He would have to attack to lifesteal for his army.
It would also heal ranged units, and allow to heal up ghouls and fiends outside of the battle, so the DL is stronger EG. You just go to creeps, kill all except 1, and just the DL attacks it to heal nearby units up.
It could make Gargs with the DL in lategame weaker. With the current DL, they often times just don't die against NE air, because of their high AA dmg. Depending on how the new DL aura is designed, they would heal far less, and wouldn't heal, if the DL can't attack. He still has his other, strong abilities, his high AoE dmg, maybe the best ult in the game, so imo buffing vampiric aura early game and nerfing it latd game, especially for air, is fine.
Also DL would have to stay in fights more to heal other units, so control would be more important. With 1 necro and unholy fury or what this spell is called, he could heal up an army very fast, so this change could lead to some fun, interesting strategies.
The higher lifesteal for the dreadlord himself would allow him to fight longer. With ghouls, it depends on how much percentage of the dmg the dreadlord deals they get, or if they get a percentage of their base HP, or of their missing HP. Imo they shouldn't be stronger, and if the DL himself steals more life, he can tank better f.e. for DL fast expand with ghouls.
Like I said, the healing should work on all allied units, so it would allow the UD to heal up better if they have a DL, f.e. like I said by going to a creep, and you attack it just with the DL, and have hurt units nearby. That could make the DL better as hero, especially as first hero, if you play smart.
One of the reasons for going DK instead of DL as first hero is the strong heal, and DL could offer this outside of fights, if he heals the army up on a low lvl creep.
If it's done the right way, and units don't get too much lifesteal, but still enough, ghouls shouldn't be stronger or weaker in real fights, as long as the DL is in the fight and not stunned or hexed, but outside of the fight, the DL could heal up ghouls, and especially fiends, gargs and other heroes outside of battles far better.
So changing the DL vampiric aura in general could be interesting. Maybe it would make him totally op in some scenarios, and useless in others, but I think, it would make him stronger in the early game and a bit weaker in the lategame, especially with air, but also stronger with ranged units, because he could heal them, too.
Just an idea, and, like I said, a radical change, but maybe something interesting to try, or, at least, to use as inspiration to change the DL 🤷♂️
Edit: it could be around 1%/1.5%/2% of max HP per DL hit, maybe a bit more or less. Ghouls would heal around 3.4 HP per hit on lvl 1, 7 HP per hit on lvl 3. The DL hits around 0.75 times per second.
That would mean, per second you get on lvl 1/2/3 around 0.75%/1.125%/1.5% HP regen.
Ghouls would heal around 2.6/3.7/5.1 hp per second, fiends around 4.3/6/8.1 per second. To compare it, now ghouls heal for 2/3/4 per second, without any upgrades, if they attack, and ofc for more with upgrades. So they would get around 30% more heal early game, around the same amount compared to ghouls with all crypt upgrades, and slightly less than ghouls with all upgrades, crypt and attack.
Abos could heal up to 16 HP per second with aura lvl 3 in my example, gargs would heal far less, but Wyrms would heal a lot, so they could become a thing.
Just to give some numbers. It would change the play style a lot, and would make him far stronger early in the game, but vampiric would be better to counter lategame, and invul on DL could be good to keep the healing up, aswell as everything that increases attack speed. Maybe you also could make him agi hero, like an agile hunter, so a total rework and imo more fitting than strenth, but that could make him too strong 🤷♂️
i really love this! You playing test versions of your own thought up patch is so damn interesting! I really love the conecpt of it i hope it becomes a thing! Not only on your channel :D MORE FANTASY PATCHES!!! xD
The Tauren changes are a good start, I still think they need a new attack of some kind. Wind Riders being made of glass would benefit from an evasion passive of some kind.
Tauren pulverize should have an area the size of the entire map and deal 999,999 damage. But, it also does friendly fire.
Ork never GGs after this, can only draw 😅
And the upgrade changes the taurens weapon model into a nuclear warhead
Taurens should get a small movement buff, they are so slow
Should be as fast as knights
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'Praise your sword, master!' now with 6-some% more EHP!
''ready to soar, master'' ????
@@caelhustlermahdi7713 Ive heard it wrong for 20 years xD
Honestly i would love if the HP regen from DK Unholy Aura was moved to DL Vampiric Aura.
DKnight already has so many amazing tools while Dreadlord is bottom tier.
Moving the HP regen from one aura to the other would make DK a tiny bit less mandatory.
Death Pact is not as useful, even the ultimate, not as much. On the other hand, all the skills of DL are usable. If they were both lvl 10, people would pick DL a lot more.
@@TheUnkowfair point, but lvl 10 heroes are rarely a thing.
I think this is way better since dreadlord has lifesteal.. if you add hp regen to that.. imagine a early ghoul rush with vamp aura (with hp regen). It would outplay anything
Maybe DL aura should be different in general, and units nearby the DL should get a part of the dmg he deals as HP, while he himself gets more heal than units nearby. Maybe it doesn't need a change, but he is very strong with gargs, they often times just don't die because of their high AA dmg, and if they would get some of the DLs AA dmg instead, they would be weaker against NE and the DL would have to fight.
The higher lifesteal for the dreadlord himself would allow him to fight longer. With ghouls, it depends on how much percentage of the dmg the dreadlord deals they get. Imo they shouldn't be stronger, and if the DL himself steals more life, he can tank better f.e. for DL fast expand with ghouls.
It also would allow the UD to heal up better if they have a DL: You go to a creep, you attack it just with the DL, and have hurt units nearby. That could make the DL better as hero, especially as first hero, if you play smart. One of the reasons for going DK is the strong heal, and DL could offer this outside of fights, if he heals the army up on a low lvl creep.
If they do it the right way, and units don't get too much lifesteal, but still enough, ghouls shouldn't be stronger or weaker in real fights, as long as the DL is in the fight and not stunned or hexed, but outside of the fight, the DL could heal up ghouls, and especially fiends, gargs and other heroes, far better.
Ghouls and Abos can eat corpses to regen, but for ghouls, there often times aren't enough corpses outside of the battle out on the map, far away from graveyard.
So changing the DL vampiric aura in general could be interesting. Maybe it would make him totally op in some scenarios, and useless in others, but I think, it would make him stronger in the early game and a bit weaker in the lategame, especially with air, but also stronger with ranged units, because he could heal them, too. 🤷♂️
this is super cool! i see a lot of potential here for something
I always regret that Orc doesn't have big magic damage dealing unit like all other races. To keep the individuality of the race I'd like that to not be an air unit like Chimeras, Frost Wyrms and Griffins. To adress this and the known problems of Taurens I suggest: Shamans can sacrifice themselves to enhance a Tauren with their magic ability which makes their damage magic and gives them spell resistance (similar to mountain giants after research).
Yeah, there are also lesser known slow items. Though I think orb of slow is the only arguable thing to make a cool exception for with this Tauren buff, like an Achilles heel item making it all the more precious of a treasure to try and nab at the merchant when having a choice between that or something else. (Basically makes a very rare cool item far less useful if it gets the nerf by the ability, but makes it incredibly more sought after a treasure) but there is also slow poison to make nerfed by the awesome "Slow resistance" might of the tauren.
Make Tauren Mighty Again!!!
Amazing patch. Thanks Blizzard for that!
Tauren with sneakers on 😂😂😂
I've been doing this decades ago. My friend who was more into big army RTS games got to play WC3 with me because of it.
Seemed to me that Priestess of the Moon was smaller than normal even before being Hexed; this was not long before the crash. Wonder if this is related?
I was thinking that for Bestiary units in general, including Wind Riders, Orc needs something like an Animal War Training at Tier 3. This would work like Human Animal War Training, but on all Bestiary units, and not as big an increase in hit points (but also not as expensive, although still taking about the same amount of time).
This will be great!
I really liked that your changes are subtle and realistic. Now, why did the NE not show the new potm :' )
Wyverns starting with 0 armor is one of those cases were someone thought they needed that nerf otherwise they'd be too good and they went too far. Like Gargoyles have 3 with unarmored, how does that make sense.
Grubbs, whats your oppinion on allowing Kodo to have attack and armor upgrades?
OMG blizzard thank your for listening to feedback
Have you ever played a game where your 5 starting workers are one of each race? Could make some weird builds.
One thing you could look at, is bears, and how fragile they often are, especially vs UD.
Another thing is, destroyer vs NE and humans. I feel like that they are too strong against summons. They can dispell water elementals, and also gain mana, and maybe they shouldn't gain mana from summons, just from spells. You could, at least, summon water elementals and treants to fight the UD, and vs water elementals he would have to use 2 dispells to destroy them, and wouldn't gain mana, or 1 to weaken them, but then they still could fight a bit. Water elementals feel like such an important part of the human army, and destroyer can be very strong.
However, while imo the Hu vs UD is kind of okay, even without changes, the UD vs NE seems very UD favored, and imo a lot of it has to do with weak bears.
So maybe the MG change and having 1 MG with the bears will fix it, maybe some other support unit needs a buff or an ability to support bears, or maybe even bears need a buff to survive longer vs UD.
Maybe a bit spell or magic resistance against coil nova + fork lightning + destroyer. Everything else would still be as good against them as before.
It's just something, I see a lot: That bears die very fast against a lot of things, especially UD, but not just UD, and that as pretty expensive, 4 food unit, and especially against spells and magic dmg. So maybe they need either changes, or a unit you usually play with bears, like dryades, should be able to give them some kind of support, like giving them some spell and magic resistance the same way inner fire works, or the MG ability can fix it, but imo it would be interesting, to try it out.
But bears being a bit weak compared to f.e. abos and knights and even taurens is just my opinion. Just weak as fighters, weak especially against UD and heroes and certain units, because their spells are very strong, sometimes close to too strong, especially as healers and support against an enemy without a lot of dispell, and that makes it hard to justify a buff as fighters 🤷♂️
Grubby, have you ever discussed the idea of community made patches in W3C? It'd be so easy to implement and the possibilities are endless. Maybe they could have their own separate matchmaking for "experimental" patches similar to the PTR. It just seems to me like waiting for Blizzard to patch the game is a slow and painful process with unexpected results and we've had the the ability to modify the game ourselves thanks to the wonderful World Editor all of this time. All it requires is community coordination and W3C is the PERFECT platform for that.
Remember when Dryads used to be immune to Pulverize?
I like the part where Undead used the Statue
Reconnect button would be a great change
Buffing tauren is good
But what about frost wyrms
I think freezing breath should also give them extra damage to buildings and enable area slow on air units
I think scout owl would be better if it had hp and some active spell. For example: keen eyesight: give more range for ranged air units for some seconds or sonething like that... Dont like that leap abbility neither, should be better something like varus (from lol) abbility hail of arrows ( doing some low dmg and antoheal and slow in certain area) that would be rly useful... For taurens would be cool that totem has 1 more upgrade that gives some def stats like magic res and ms to all taurens near totem...
Having the influence to change a game is a great thing. Just dont do it towards extreme stuff that only few people will enjoy.
Im all in for creating more options, but not new opnstuff, that will end up railing the game even more.
The point of Wind Riders is their long poison ... the idea is to spread them all over the map and attack from any point possible and trade 1 blow then run away while the poison does it's work.
I know almost no one does that because it's not very viable ... and this change may be nice for them, but a bit further beyond and they will lose the only perk that they have ... that armor will not make them usable, just more bearable to play with ... maybe they need more movement speed instead of armor or at least faster projectile attack point (as it takes like forever to throw that spear).
They can be fun if played in the style of Abomination (disease for everyone), just on a target per target basis.
If only we had an attack only once command in Warcraft which we could queue ...
Wyvern poison also has never been thematic with the orc aesthetic. A dryad hitting you once and running away while you die fits, but an orc?
Orcs that utilize the capabilities of a wyvern yes. Not all Orcs are warriors, there are warlocks, hunters etc. Not all are brainless thugs, some are more than capable for cunning combat strategies. What about their first hero, the Blademaster? If he had an orb of venom ... hit and run with WW would be more than OP.
Poison fits orcs/trolls perfectly. @@ambion19
Plus, one more very useful strategy is while you are battling with your opponent, they can do the same hit-n-run for the neutral camps ... so for example, while the hero like BM is busy harassing, the Wyverns are poisoning their own neutral camps (by hitting everyone once before they travel towards the enemy), then the BM just comes to collect the exp/goods.
Just like with disease, the priest autocasting heal burns mana, so the opponent has to be careful about overhealing.
Even many of the counters for Wyverns are counterable by having other supportive units.
They go great with BM, TC, Wolf Raiders (Ensnare while running away, or just ignore the ensnared target while poison finishes the job), Shamans for extra attack speed (faster spread) etc.
Problem is, they are virtually useless for the grand/final battles, but so are many other units which find their usage elsewhere.
wow cool!
Since WC3 is pretty much also an RPG, whats your opinion on ability scaling based on stats bonuses? Or even abilities that can debuff those like in DnD(example, Warlock's Hex:*insert main stat here)
It shouldnt change their Max Health, Mana nor Armor rating, but may affect other stuff like attack speed, normal attack damage bonus and mana regen?
That is awesome. Blizzard should be all over innovating the game. Someone at Blizzard sign this man up 🤣
Tier list of all summonable units and mercenary units? Tier list of buildings?
Crazy how you said potm got new ability but he didnt even play as her lol.. i was trying to see leap
why did you cut out undead changes in the intro??
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What if taurens also get some status resistence combined with the Slow?
Dripped taurens
Crashes are every modder's nightmare :D
why do hippo riders have 30 sec mount! they are NEVER EVER seen! Blizzard is taking FOREVER to balance the oblivious!
Kind of how balance patches should be done. Minor changes. Not flashy, which is why Blizzard doesn't operate that way.
I still can't believe BLizzard addes Tauents to T1 and gave them upgrade that makes them grant 0 xp after kill!
Went from "i dont see taurens being that strong" to "unstoppable"?!
lots of placebo here. 1 armor is margin of error difference. it's like 6% less damage. you will barely notice it. it needs like 3 armor to be noticeable.
True, and they even nerfed their damage by way more than 6% (2 less damage) and poison damage. All in all feels like a nerf. And really, 5 secs diff from Chims production? like that's ever a problem against someone who's had 15 mins of building to reach chimera!
Totally agree. they are trying to balance the game like LoL. It just doesn't work in an RTS
You'd think that, but look what little it took, stats wise, to make head hunters viable
@@moohypunter6177dmg is 34 - 42 now, so ~38, and it was ~40. So dmg decrease by 5%, not by way more than 6% 🤷♂️
It’s so stupid obviously all they need is more hp so that one breath of fire or bat can’t kill 8 riders at once..
Change windriders to medium armor. change huntresses to heavy armor, Change raiders to get evasion 15% since they soo faast
Someday I'll see someone give Grubby a greater than three amount of love...
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Но tauren если ближе стоит то урон же больше от дробления. Против врагов дальнего боя это плохо
TC is also a taurun, meaning that he should get the speed debuff resist too, if not how could he be a hero of his own race, if yes he becomes a bit overpowered. So I guess that this patch will never become real :p
TC also doesn't have pulverize, I don't see how that's mandatory.
@@lagg1e You've got me there, completelly changing my mind.
So if we can consider his war stomp as an enhanced version of pulverize, should we consider that his aura is an enhanced version of resist slow? hahahahaha
yeah i mean why not just ask mappers who have a lot of free time and are willing to help to do patches for u? but i'm not sure how this works, u cannot play ranked custom maps right? so basically u would play custom maps just for fun and not for the rank which I guess is not what u want
u could do most of these changes yourself cuz it's easy to just change values in WE, WE is only hard to use when u want to do something more complex like creating a new and cool ability
if the game crashed it most likely means the mapper didn't do something properly
OMG BLIZZARD DID WHAT??
Next experiment
Hey Grubby, if I make a map with a "draft" mode start for WC3, would you feature it?
You would have 60 seconds at the start of the match to build a free Altar, Barracks, and Farm + Tower. You get your hero at 00 seconds, and you can make up to free units up to ~20 population within that first 60 seconds. Tavern Heros are unlocked at 00 as well, but you can't move more than 1200 from your town hall for the "draft" time.
Grubby for wc3 council
potm should have arrow of elune
More attack range on Taurens means they position worse for their AOE, no?
Depends if the epicenter originates from Tauren or attack point. I don't know actually where it originates from
@@FollowGrubby great point yeah, somethign to look out for when adjusting this i suppose.
NOOOOO I WAS WORKING ON THIS TOO AHHAHA
I think windrider need 1 more armor lmao
completely out of the question but new race when?
Iran did WHAT???
Noo that patch is inmbalanced
new blizzard does seem to actually listen to the community. weren't slow resistance your personal proposal?
Again, this is not by blizzard but by a user
@@FollowGrubby ah, alright, I'm just slow
Too bad the game crashed. I love the healing wards. Gg
Свиток маны добавить оркам на т3, как у людей лечебный
no bulwark :(((
You were way too conservative, considering you got modders willing to help you should get a little more crazy
The intent of the 'patch' Grubby made was just "changes I'd like to see on live", he never intended for modders to actually make it real.
I'd really love to see something useful instead of Far sight. How about a passive, that gives FS say 1/2/3% chance to cast lvl 1 chain lightning on attack?
I hear you like slots machines so we gave you a 1% chance to win the game in a steategy game. Good thing you're not a game dev, your suggestion is terrible.
How about far sight reduces the vision of enemies within the effect?
@@silviuvisan505 lvl 1 chain lightning wins strategy games? or you mean blizzard have to remove all %-abilities, like crits, purge from orb or dodge? what's so terrible?
What's terrible is that you can't strategize around such a low chance but when it does happen eg. 1-3 times in a row it'll make the user run away with that game, making it feel like crap for the opp.
I don’t know farsight is fine. It’s a 50 mana map hack.. it’s better than many abilities like devotion aura for example or searing arrows
Look at the first comment.
Talk about booty bay
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Grubby fell off 😭😭
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FIRST COMMENT WOO
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No difference for the gameplay. Useless changes