Personally, while I know the indie approach isn’t for everyone, and I know that it will be a struggle for me especially due to my poor management skills, but I am determined to take the indie route. I’ve heard of too many stories of creators getting screwed over or at least being severely limited to trust any major corporation with my creative vision. I want to put my trust in other creatives with just as much passion as me instead.
The issue is more that a platform like YT could have been the platform for independent animators, but they sunk that boat when they changed it to minutes watched instead of views.
There are some really good indie animation studios out there, my favorite being Cartoon Saloon. I love all of their movies. I personally think indie could be the possible way to go, especially for original creations. At least you can create your own animation team and you won't be pressured or creatively mitigated by corporate mandates.
Im an optimistic person... But also a realistic one... Indie animation for a series won't reach the heights of what a group can achieve. It's sad what happened with Netflix and some other group is gonna have to open new doors for indie animators to animate ambitous animations and storytelling.
It really is a massive shame that so many great shows get cancelled by networks which either has the show rush things without developing like the creator(s) wanted or had the show end with a non satisfying ending or without an ending period. I personally am starting out in animations and plan to do them without a network and this video definitely solidifies that mindset, I feel that going indie will do many content creators good so they can see their projects through without interference. In short great video, I strongly agree.
Yeah we should go indie. Build your own team and make animations in your own time. It may be harder, but at least you’re not under the rule of stupid corporations.
"Build your own team and make animations in your own time." Ok, what to do, if you don't have any money - I work on my animation project, and so far, i want to do as much as I can alone, since i don't have money... But here's two problems: 1. I would have to find voice actors - I don't have money for professional studio and other things like that, and i can't dub every character, since there are around 12-13 of them... For context, i'm not from america - I'm from poland, and there are groups on facebook, like "non-profit work in films", but they usually don't like working in animations, if your project is animated, then they either would be like "did you think about doing this as live action" or "did you think about doing this as stop motion" And if you say "no" to these two things, they only be like "ok, good luck, but i pass" 2. Even if I somehow find people to help me work on this, there still another problem - Where to publish this animation ?- I know that the first answer would be "youtube", but my script has so much...let's say explicit content, that it could not be posted on youtube, or either it would be age restricted (at best) or removed and I would get strike or something worse (At worst)
@@tygra2886 1. Dude get a job if you have no money. Are you a kid? Because if you’re an adult thinking like that, that’s pretty pathetic ngl. Get a job and learn how to manage and invest your money into your cartoon/yourself. If you want to animate solo that’s fine, just know it’s going to take you years to get one episode out there so you will need a team. If you want to do small projects that will last a few minutes, that’s what most solo animators on TH-cam do. 2. For the explicit content, just put 18+ on it. That way you won’t get a strike and stuff most likely. You’ll only get a strike if you don’t put the video for 18+ viewers only and if you don’t put a disclaimer at the beginning of the video. It’s that easy.
@@inhuman_human6790 " Because if you’re an adult thinking like that, that’s pretty pathetic ngl." I'm 24 years old. I tried to search a job, but the problem is - Most jobs either: a) require 2 years of experience in the similar job (even entry level ones, or even the ones that don't require some big skills or knowledge) or B) you earn around $400 Monthly (most jobs offered by labor office are like that) - It's impossible to live in my country for $400, let alone create an animation (i would have to work for, idk, 10-20 years in job like that to earn money to even create something low budget) And when it comes to work in the local grocery stores or something like that - It's also impossible for me, because to get the job in these shops, you have to be recommended by other worker - And the CVs forms on their 'career" sites are basically fake... The problem is - i have ASD, i don't have friends IRL or anyone from my family, who is working in a shop like this... Also, I'm the only person from my family, who didn't pass final exams - I wasn't allowed to participate in my final exams, so because of that, many jobs or schools are closed for me - I can't go to, idk, some college that teaches animation. My sister had a luck to be in the year, in which her finals were cancelled due to some change in law, My mom passed that exam and was offered a job immediately, my father went to a college, and through few jobs, Only I don't have a luck so far - I graduated sound engineering school in 2020, 2 days before the pandemic, and then it also turned out that i wasted 2 years for school, because there are no jobs in sound engineering, and, at least in my country, the whole sound engineering/sound design/mixing industry is crony - The Friends literally hire friends, and If you work alone, if you don't have an equipment and studio for at least $25000, you wouldn't be allowed to work by other sound engineers - If you even want to start, and you don't have a "newest computer, Monitors etc", they would do everything to tarnish your reputation, for non existent "spoiling the market" I talked with them, and they literally said to me that "I should work for 15 years for free, and then "maybe they would allow me to work"
@@tygra2886 Sir. Lemme ask you something. You see Jeff Bezos? Steve Jobs? They all dropped out of college and did amazing things. I don’t think differently of you. You can be just as great as them. You don’t need recommendations from a coworker to get a job. Who on earth told you that lie? I get many jobs just by going in with confidence. You don’t even need a college to learn animation. You teach yourself and you can even buy courses online and books. Teach yourself dude. Don’t rely on others. At the end of the day, you can only rely on yourself. Look out for your well being. And dude who cares if friends hire friends. There’s always a way for you. I feel like you’ve given up in a way and I know how difficult it must be. But trust me, there’s always a way. The local grocery store may not pay much, but at least you’ll get some sort of payment. I assume you don’t pay any bills, so save up. You will never start big from the start. Every great person started small. For example, a baby starts small and then it grows up. The only way it can grow up big and strong is if you teach them how to take care of themselves. You raise it to be mentally strong and physically strong. And you lead it not just by words but by example. My point is things start small. Your engineering career and your animation career. They start small, but if you feed it and lead it and bring life to it, it will grow guaranteed. It will happen and it won’t happen right away. It will take time. It will take persistence. You are smart I know this. Very intelligent. Who cares about those exams man. You already have all the knowledge for what you’ve studied. School is based off of how much you remember of what they taught you. Just because you didn’t pass the exams doesn’t mean you are an idiot. It just means you didn’t remember everything because not everyone can remember that much information. Especially for sound engineering. Listen, I believe in you and I have never met you in my life, but for some reason I feel as though you have the potential to be amazing dude. But you assume too much and assumptions is the fools mindset. Stop relying on those people and take matters into your own hands. Get that job and save up. Even if it’s only a little. Jeff Bezos worked at McDonald’s when he was younger and now look at him. A multibillionaire. And Steve Jobs started a company that became the first trillion dollar company. And the same can happen for you but that’s way down the line. Start off small. Set small goals. Things take time, but with persistence and dedication to your dream you will make a way. You will. Guaranteed. Don’t give up yet man. You’re only 24. We still have many years ahead. I’m young like you. Don’t rush the process either. Just go with the flow. Create a vision board or write it down and look at it everyday and work towards it step by step. Small goal by small goal. You can do it. Your worth and potential is far beyond an exam. Have fun buddy.
@@inhuman_human6790 "You see Jeff Bezos? Steve Jobs? They all dropped out of college and did amazing things. " There is one thing - They did not lived in poland... In poland, if someone works better, has some new ideas, creates something or even earns more money than other people - People would like to destroy him, or "equal" him down...To their level... For example, Uber - It was an alternative to taxi, and i think that in US, it probably works ok (IDK, i never was in USA, but i never heard about some big protest to "shut down" Uber Completely) My sister uses it, and she likes it... But when the uber entered poland, The taxi drivers and the taxi driver unions were furious and acted agressive... They were furious that "they had to go through to obtain the licence to be taxi driver and go pass exams, and "the uber drivers don't have to do this" - Instead of fighting to get rid of oudated tests and licences (My dad literally had to memorize every street in a city, to pass that test - Even when we have GPS - That's why they are outdated), they wanted to equate Uber drivers to their level, and wanted them to be treated like "taxi drivers", so they would have to go through that outdated tests and "pay taxes durr hurr" They went as far as to attack uber drivers, or pour the buckets of excrement on their cars And that's just one out of many examples - This was about just apps or organizations, but this could happen to even normal people, who have some good ideas... And in poland, You would learn this from the very young age - I remember that back in the first class of Primary school, we were learning letters of the alphabet... 1 for a lesson or even a week... for context, I learned to speak when i was around 2,5-3 years old (i remember that i learned when i was 3 years old, but some of my aunts and cousins remember me talking at around 2-2,5 years old, and it wasn't a simple "mama", "papa" or some sounds, but they said when i was 2-3 years old, i was already able to make complete sentences) when i was around 4, i learned to read, and when i was 5, i learned to write... So during school, i was just bored, and decided that i would go, and started filling out the textbook forward - Teacher noticed that, asked me what i was doing, I said that I'm filling the textbook forward, because i already learned that stuff and i know it... And my teacher said that "Maybe you know, but the other kids don't" in the end, I had to write 50 times something along the lines of "i will not fill out the textbook without a permission of a teacher", and erase half of the textbook, because i had to be "equal" to other kids, who couldn't even read a full sentence, at this same age as mine. I was basically punished because i knew more. Jeff bezos might have worked in Mcdonalds, but this wasn't in poland, as i said...
This is something I agree with on the surface, but as an artist in the industry myself and who lives in LA with LA rent prices and standards of living, it’s kinda important to me that I’m working with a wage that can support me. It’s so sad because when I first came out here I was starry eyed like and had the mentality of “Ill never sell out! I want to create stories first!” I moved here after getting my first job at a union studio in Jan 2019 and had my first bout of unemployment that same year in November that lasted six months of trying to land my next gig (conveniently the pandemic hit that same time I was looking for work). I had to work part time at a restaurant (which ended up being nuked during the pandemic) and a hardware store, both virtually down the street from the Studio I had been at the year prior. I ended up learning a harsh lesson about the industry and I’d never been so close to having to pack up and go home to my parents (it was also the first time I’ve been away from home on my own as an adult). But I learned a harsh lesson about myself too, that I wanted stability more than anything else. But I also want to work in animation, or rather, feel like I can only work in animation. I just happen to be ok enough at it that I’ve worked in the industry for over 3 years now, and I’m not really qualified enough to work in anything else that would pay close enough to a living wage, let alone all the benefits that come with an in union gig. And the one thing that a lot of these studios have a connection to is the Animation Guild Union that protects our access to good wages and healthcare. These things aren’t easy for independent studio commonly provide. Like you said, it depends on the person. Many older artist in the industry who are already established and have homes and lots of money and savings can totally go the route of doing animation purely for fun where they can afford to always go out of union for gigs. But in the current world we live in, for a lot of artists, we have to do work first for whoever can pay us or provide for use the benefits we need for our living and we have to separate fun work and collabs on the side when we can. I just wanted to offer that perspective. I know there’s a lot of fans of yours on this channel who don’t work in animation and have no idea how fragile it is and the people who work on its rights are and why. The truth is, when there’s a a creative based industry controlled by people at the top of billion dollar companies, they’re going to be exploited. But at the same time, from what I know from my other friends in the industry, even if they cross out of union for work, when their healthcare hours start to run low, they always try to come back in at least for 400 hours. That’s an unfortunate symptom of a post-capitalist society that breeds dependence on corporations. (oh shit uh, also to anyone reading this, if you happen to go to my profile to see what this “animation industry insider’s” stuff looks like, this channel I’m on mostly has suuuuper old art from when I was 13 on the early internet. I don’t take it down because I don’t wanna censor my old child self somehow? but at the same time look at it as even a 13 year old who draws cringey KH meme art like that can eventually learn how to draw ok enough to work in animation lol)
Amen man, exactly these problems are why I planned out to always be at least part time employed in a company to pay for rent, food, bills n stuff. And the other 1/4 of my time I spend on building my own company since it’s unstable and only for additional income. Especially for old age pension it’s extremely important that you have had a full time job long enough before so that you won’t end up on the streets.
I'd like to think so. I'm inspired by many animators on TH-cam, yourself included, as I animate my YT channel series' pilot. TH-cam might not be the place to gain a career production wise as they tend to want short, easy-to-produce content, yet it is the largest viewing platform seen yet. So, it is the way to gain a following and an avenue to other forms of revenue. I just don't see how -- unless you own a studio -- you can create a story of your own through established companies nowadays. They have almost all the control, and the actual creators of shows have to leverage themselves and their work ethics to even be able to put up a fight against any form of compromise over their own works of art. So, I do believe indie production is the way to go nowadays.
This is such an interesting topic! Now a days, it is becoming more apparent that artists are seeking to attune into their independence to create their own projects. Along with the collective of other like minded artists! I think this is a great move for many others who not only want to bring their own vision to the fray in the world of animation. But, to also, create, refine, and redefine what Animation really can be for the individual on a microcosm level! :)
I'm a young animatior, and though I may not be as knowledgeable about the animation industry as others, but I feel like indie is the way to go. What I know as of now is that studios can put alot of restrictions on a show and cancel a show anytime they please. Examples being: Owl House, Final Space, Samurai Jack(Before Revival), etc. And the problem with that is most show have to rush like Star Vs The Forces of Evil. Futurama had gotten threated to be cancelled multiple times during it's time airing causing it have multiple series finales. And yes it is harder to make a show on the internet and get people to watch it but some things are easier then if you were making your show on the internet. For example you can meet some really talented people on the internet if that be on discord or anywhere else. And it will be easier to get people on the team, sometimes you don't even need to pay them. Really if you do: •You can start anytime you want •Cancel the show anytime you want •No restrictions •Pretty much anyone can watch your show •As the show gets more well-known you can start hiring people to do dub or something like that •You can keep your fans updated about the show easier •Its a great way to make a pilot •Easier marketing There are many indie cartoons and not just 2D. Helluva Boss, Ollie and Scoop, Meta Runner, Castle Dark, Interstellar Rangers the list goes on. You could probably make an indie movie. So even if you don't make a whole show on the internet I would make a pilot on the internet bc you don't even know when your show will even get green lit, if you do give it to a company, aside from other reasons. And hey you mean end up being as lucky as Olan Rogers. I'm making a show on YT currently as YT is a great place to share your animations with the whole world, as the animation community is one of the best communities on the platform. This is the longest comment I have ever written 🤣
I think the ideal is small or smallish studios that have a passionate and agile staff willing to take risks, that listen to their fans for feedback, and then license out their works to people for distribution.
3 years ago I decided some day I'd make my own animation of an story I was working on. I'm still practicing but I'm definitely gonna do It once I'm ready!
Recruit us. This comment section is richer than all the gig platforms on earth for raw animator power. Lets get independent together. Start that studio. We already work for free because we cost so much to pay.
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look at helluva boss. they have all the time they want to produce a lovable episode appreciated by their fans, and they don’t have insane corporations putting the animators on a leash. yeah, it’s gonna be way harder, but i’m pretty sure i’d be happier if i can work on something i enjoy and have my own time to work on it
As someone who did try to set up a studio and go independent it is pretty tough and taxing, video pretty accurate. I think the biggest issue is just how YT isn't very receptive to Animation, with how long it can take and all the inactivity and algorithm as well as minutes watched. If it was still the same in the past with money from views of videos then YT would have been a forefront platform for indie animators and was partly why I did want to do an indie project, but the YT changes completely sunk animation sector that could have really grown. I think the biggest issue I had with it was how lonely it is but still did manage to a chunk of work for it and be able to work on it more background with a normal job, a team would have been quite fun, and it can help so it probably in the end is better to work in a team or if you go individually then you need to maybe stick to smaller stuff and be flexible to feedback.
Great talk. I've been meaning to become more interdipendent artist but I feel I also need a bit more growth being dependent. Its a bit hard for me considering I'm still in school and a good chunk of my projects aren't fit with the branding I have in mind (I want to do more 2d but I'm doing a lot of 3d) maybe I need to push a bit more and talk to others. Sometimes in social media can feel lonely because being stick in our own bubbles is so easy. Maybe I'll find out how to output for me and others soon enough. Love your videos with this introspection!!! We need more people like you in the industry!!!
I hope the Owl house fandom saves the show, because I felt in love with the story and the characters, even the secondary characters has his own magic touch, and I think if the owl house animators open a patreon or something like that , people would let them the freedom who deserve to end the story like the animators want
Where are struggling animators supposed to go, then, when the big corporates are just gonna do away with animation? You can't just do independent animation when your own work doesn't even pay the bills.
I honestly think we're about to enter a golden age for indie animation and animation in general. Never before has the knowledge and technology been so accessible and so affordable. Seriously, most people can self-learn animation within 3 years time for less than $500 worth of online courses. Look at what happened to indie gaming in the late 2000s and 2010s and look at where it is today. Who would have thought that so many independent studios would thrive so well. I don't know how or when, but a gold-rush for animation will come soon. Especially when movies like Spider-Verse or shows like Arcane and Love, Death and Robots are breaking ground. All you animators just keep sharpening your skills and ideas and be ready.
When you were talking about communities it reminded me that I would love to see a discord server from you! Knowing how your channel is all about sharing experiences and learning how to be an animator. It would be awesome to finally have a place where animators hang out and help each other.
This is a great video, I'd largely call myself independent, but I find myself drifting into dependent thoughts often but find the corporate machine very intimidating, but after seeing this, I'm going to try cultivate a more inter-dependent mindset! That being said two things you only touched are big struggles for me, Money, and more importantly, reaching out to the community, the intriguing thing is that I feel these two problems sort of solve themselves. I really struggle to complete stuff quickly, and I get this horrible imposter syndrome as a result and can ironically only stay motivated with longer projects, stuff I can chip away at, so as a result I don't feel "worthy" of interacting with the community because I don't have enough stuff to show off, but at the moment I'm saving up to get some help with a project I've been working on with some friends, and once I have some cash to budget out, I'll feel like I have something to offer, a starting point to interact with, rather than just "Hey, can someone help me?" Overall, this video has encouraged me to make the jump with this!
I was considering doing Inde animations in the future, honestly it sounds a little more better. But yeah, personal projects are something I also could do.
Hey man, if by any chance you see this, this video was very, very helpful for me. I want to make my own series and I am working on it right now, but I'm still kind of a newbie, and most importantly I don't know too many places or communities that I can get feedback with. But I'm learning one by one, and your video was a great help. Thank you!
Would love to go indie! It takes a long time, but you have all the freedom to do what you want. Even I can just make one pilot episode in the future, that would be enough for me
You know, i always enjoy your videos, cause it always seems they hit the spot at perfect time; i was really sad cause of Netflix situation, had a dream of working there, and well....i currently work on my own indie project, and thought - why not? Why not take it seriously?..🤔
I wish folks would get together and create their own properties. And these properties like Bone would be Kickstarted and made. Jeff Smith's Bone is one cancelled but I don't see how he couldn't do a Kickstarter and earn 3 million - and just pay an anime studio to get a whole season done and just deliver it to fans. Average cost of an anime episode is 100K. You telling me folks with clout can't do that?
Im in a similar situation to whats happening at Netflix. It sucks. This is why Ive decided to start working harder on my indie game. I just dont think I can trust the animation idustry to take care of me in the long term.
Indie is a double edge sword mostly because you will get lone wolf habits that will make you harder to be employed on a team. There is also a stigma for generalists that they are a Jack of all trades master of none but in some cases it's Jack of all trades has spend years learning and is intimidating for the team to grasp his full potential so it's just sent out to do menial tasks until some problem occurs to get them out of the situation by working 72 hours with no break. Not happened to you?
Okok I agree with the community part, I just dont know what i need to do to create an animated proyect Should I stop animate my cartoon pilot and start make cómics to build a community? Or should I still full focus on my cartoon animated pilot? Or should I overwork on both pilot and cómics even if it is to much?... Im lost all I want to do is to see my own proyecto alive but I dont know how...
But I’m a 13 yr teenager and things are really hard for me with the backgrounds, animators, storyboarders, etc.. but can I still make a project at this age
I've always wanted to create animated stories, but I cant draw. My "gift" or talent is in writing and planning/outlining and character creation. Where could I find artists to work with?
so i was sitting down drawing while listening to this and then at 5:11 i hear you say among us and i just jump out of my seat because before that i was kind of zoning out listening but not really
plot twist, they're not capitalist studios. In fact, most studios are losing money because they didn't follow capitalist rules. Because if they did, they wouldn't be losing money.
dito sa pilipinas, karamihan ng animator ay pamilyadong tao lalo na yung mga beterano. wala na sa isip ng iba sa atin yung paggawa ng sariling animation project. payment stability na lang.
Another helpful video, i gotta ask does anyone know how to be a part of animation community. Where i can find more animators, pages or groups? Kind of isolated freelancing for a long time.
I'm a little cynic but I'm just gonna say that Indie Animation to me is only possible if you are basically fucking rich. Rich enough to afford a team to pay, found your own company, etc. I'm poor as fuck. I want to create my own shit but I'd bankrupt myself trying. It's easy for someone who has the financial means or has no actual desire to create to tell someone to just "go Indie" like it's that easy. Well I don't and I do, and I honestly don't see any path of hope for my projects to ever become a reality.
I don’t fully understand why people are devastated about shows being canceled. Do they not pay animators for all the work they’ve done once a show is canceled?
I’ve been in a handful of canceled shows and productions. I spent a lot of my time and effort on them, but sadly it’s work I can’t show (or can never show) due to ndas and all. Credits on productions go a long way, it’s another proof of your resume. It’s more than just getting paid
That sadly doesn't factor in drive and determination to make a risk that isn't guaranteed to work. Especially considering we don't know how much of a struggle making hazbin/helluva work Also, vivzie had a team and years of smaller projects to help make that happen. She was in the right place at the right time and had a bit of luck that went into it. Sadly not everyone is gonna be afforded that help. Still. No reason to not try
Everyone has their own Conditions. Comparing the circumstances of one person does not apply to other people. I think that attempt is great to make your own project. But even if someone does manage to make a super ambitious project, it doesn't mean it'll reach the same sort of audience that Hazbin Hotel has. So many factors. But I do think other people should make the attempt if they believe they could make something valuable.
Personally, while I know the indie approach isn’t for everyone, and I know that it will be a struggle for me especially due to my poor management skills, but I am determined to take the indie route.
I’ve heard of too many stories of creators getting screwed over or at least being severely limited to trust any major corporation with my creative vision. I want to put my trust in other creatives with just as much passion as me instead.
So true! I value personal creativity and liberty the most!
The issue is more that a platform like YT could have been the platform for independent animators, but they sunk that boat when they changed it to minutes watched instead of views.
@@Henbot true that
I think I could be a struggle for me because I'm just kinda
Lazy to make storys...
@@fantasticbirdblue me too haha
Animation MUST be saved!!!
There are some really good indie animation studios out there, my favorite being Cartoon Saloon. I love all of their movies. I personally think indie could be the possible way to go, especially for original creations. At least you can create your own animation team and you won't be pressured or creatively mitigated by corporate mandates.
I wonder if indie animation can save IP’s too
Im an optimistic person... But also a realistic one... Indie animation for a series won't reach the heights of what a group can achieve. It's sad what happened with Netflix and some other group is gonna have to open new doors for indie animators to animate ambitous animations and storytelling.
I believe in god and afterlife... but I'm also an atheist =P
If I do get into the industry, my plan is that any original material under my control will probably be indie
It really is a massive shame that so many great shows get cancelled by networks which either has the show rush things without developing like the creator(s) wanted or had the show end with a non satisfying ending or without an ending period. I personally am starting out in animations and plan to do them without a network and this video definitely solidifies that mindset, I feel that going indie will do many content creators good so they can see their projects through without interference. In short great video, I strongly agree.
Yeah we should go indie. Build your own team and make animations in your own time. It may be harder, but at least you’re not under the rule of stupid corporations.
"Build your own team and make animations in your own time."
Ok, what to do, if you don't have any money - I work on my animation project, and so far, i want to do as much as I can alone, since i don't have money...
But here's two problems:
1. I would have to find voice actors - I don't have money for professional studio and other things like that, and i can't dub every character, since there are around 12-13 of them...
For context, i'm not from america - I'm from poland, and there are groups on facebook, like "non-profit work in films", but they usually don't like working in animations, if your project is animated, then they either would be like "did you think about doing this as live action" or "did you think about doing this as stop motion"
And if you say "no" to these two things, they only be like "ok, good luck, but i pass"
2. Even if I somehow find people to help me work on this, there still another problem - Where to publish this animation ?- I know that the first answer would be "youtube", but my script has so much...let's say explicit content, that it could not be posted on youtube, or either it would be age restricted (at best) or removed and I would get strike or something worse (At worst)
@@tygra2886 1. Dude get a job if you have no money. Are you a kid? Because if you’re an adult thinking like that, that’s pretty pathetic ngl. Get a job and learn how to manage and invest your money into your cartoon/yourself. If you want to animate solo that’s fine, just know it’s going to take you years to get one episode out there so you will need a team. If you want to do small projects that will last a few minutes, that’s what most solo animators on TH-cam do.
2. For the explicit content, just put 18+ on it. That way you won’t get a strike and stuff most likely. You’ll only get a strike if you don’t put the video for 18+ viewers only and if you don’t put a disclaimer at the beginning of the video. It’s that easy.
@@inhuman_human6790 " Because if you’re an adult thinking like that, that’s pretty pathetic ngl."
I'm 24 years old. I tried to search a job, but the problem is - Most jobs either:
a) require 2 years of experience in the similar job (even entry level ones, or even the ones that don't require some big skills or knowledge)
or
B) you earn around $400 Monthly (most jobs offered by labor office are like that) - It's impossible to live in my country for $400, let alone create an animation (i would have to work for, idk, 10-20 years in job like that to earn money to even create something low budget)
And when it comes to work in the local grocery stores or something like that - It's also impossible for me, because to get the job in these shops, you have to be recommended by other worker - And the CVs forms on their 'career" sites are basically fake...
The problem is - i have ASD, i don't have friends IRL or anyone from my family, who is working in a shop like this...
Also, I'm the only person from my family, who didn't pass final exams - I wasn't allowed to participate in my final exams, so because of that, many jobs or schools are closed for me - I can't go to, idk, some college that teaches animation.
My sister had a luck to be in the year, in which her finals were cancelled due to some change in law, My mom passed that exam and was offered a job immediately, my father went to a college, and through few jobs,
Only I don't have a luck so far - I graduated sound engineering school in 2020, 2 days before the pandemic, and then it also turned out that i wasted 2 years for school, because there are no jobs in sound engineering, and, at least in my country, the whole sound engineering/sound design/mixing industry is crony - The Friends literally hire friends, and If you work alone, if you don't have an equipment and studio for at least $25000, you wouldn't be allowed to work by other sound engineers - If you even want to start, and you don't have a "newest computer, Monitors etc", they would do everything to tarnish your reputation, for non existent "spoiling the market"
I talked with them, and they literally said to me that "I should work for 15 years for free, and then "maybe they would allow me to work"
@@tygra2886 Sir. Lemme ask you something. You see Jeff Bezos? Steve Jobs? They all dropped out of college and did amazing things. I don’t think differently of you. You can be just as great as them. You don’t need recommendations from a coworker to get a job. Who on earth told you that lie? I get many jobs just by going in with confidence. You don’t even need a college to learn animation. You teach yourself and you can even buy courses online and books. Teach yourself dude. Don’t rely on others. At the end of the day, you can only rely on yourself. Look out for your well being.
And dude who cares if friends hire friends. There’s always a way for you. I feel like you’ve given up in a way and I know how difficult it must be. But trust me, there’s always a way. The local grocery store may not pay much, but at least you’ll get some sort of payment. I assume you don’t pay any bills, so save up. You will never start big from the start. Every great person started small. For example, a baby starts small and then it grows up. The only way it can grow up big and strong is if you teach them how to take care of themselves. You raise it to be mentally strong and physically strong. And you lead it not just by words but by example. My point is things start small. Your engineering career and your animation career. They start small, but if you feed it and lead it and bring life to it, it will grow guaranteed. It will happen and it won’t happen right away. It will take time. It will take persistence. You are smart I know this. Very intelligent.
Who cares about those exams man. You already have all the knowledge for what you’ve studied. School is based off of how much you remember of what they taught you. Just because you didn’t pass the exams doesn’t mean you are an idiot. It just means you didn’t remember everything because not everyone can remember that much information. Especially for sound engineering. Listen, I believe in you and I have never met you in my life, but for some reason I feel as though you have the potential to be amazing dude. But you assume too much and assumptions is the fools mindset. Stop relying on those people and take matters into your own hands. Get that job and save up. Even if it’s only a little. Jeff Bezos worked at McDonald’s when he was younger and now look at him. A multibillionaire. And Steve Jobs started a company that became the first trillion dollar company. And the same can happen for you but that’s way down the line. Start off small. Set small goals. Things take time, but with persistence and dedication to your dream you will make a way. You will. Guaranteed. Don’t give up yet man. You’re only 24. We still have many years ahead. I’m young like you. Don’t rush the process either. Just go with the flow. Create a vision board or write it down and look at it everyday and work towards it step by step. Small goal by small goal. You can do it. Your worth and potential is far beyond an exam. Have fun buddy.
@@inhuman_human6790 "You see Jeff Bezos? Steve Jobs? They all dropped out of college and did amazing things. "
There is one thing - They did not lived in poland... In poland, if someone works better, has some new ideas, creates something or even earns more money than other people - People would like to destroy him, or "equal" him down...To their level...
For example, Uber - It was an alternative to taxi, and i think that in US, it probably works ok (IDK, i never was in USA, but i never heard about some big protest to "shut down" Uber Completely)
My sister uses it, and she likes it...
But when the uber entered poland, The taxi drivers and the taxi driver unions were furious and acted agressive... They were furious that "they had to go through to obtain the licence to be taxi driver and go pass exams, and "the uber drivers don't have to do this" - Instead of fighting to get rid of oudated tests and licences (My dad literally had to memorize every street in a city, to pass that test - Even when we have GPS - That's why they are outdated), they wanted to equate Uber drivers to their level, and wanted them to be treated like "taxi drivers", so they would have to go through that outdated tests and "pay taxes durr hurr"
They went as far as to attack uber drivers, or pour the buckets of excrement on their cars
And that's just one out of many examples - This was about just apps or organizations, but this could happen to even normal people, who have some good ideas...
And in poland, You would learn this from the very young age - I remember that back in the first class of Primary school, we were learning letters of the alphabet... 1 for a lesson or even a week...
for context, I learned to speak when i was around 2,5-3 years old (i remember that i learned when i was 3 years old, but some of my aunts and cousins remember me talking at around 2-2,5 years old, and it wasn't a simple "mama", "papa" or some sounds, but they said when i was 2-3 years old, i was already able to make complete sentences)
when i was around 4, i learned to read, and when i was 5, i learned to write...
So during school, i was just bored, and decided that i would go, and started filling out the textbook forward - Teacher noticed that, asked me what i was doing, I said that I'm filling the textbook forward, because i already learned that stuff and i know it...
And my teacher said that "Maybe you know, but the other kids don't"
in the end, I had to write 50 times something along the lines of "i will not fill out the textbook without a permission of a teacher", and erase half of the textbook, because i had to be "equal" to other kids, who couldn't even read a full sentence, at this same age as mine. I was basically punished because i knew more.
Jeff bezos might have worked in Mcdonalds, but this wasn't in poland, as i said...
This is something I agree with on the surface, but as an artist in the industry myself and who lives in LA with LA rent prices and standards of living, it’s kinda important to me that I’m working with a wage that can support me. It’s so sad because when I first came out here I was starry eyed like and had the mentality of “Ill never sell out! I want to create stories first!” I moved here after getting my first job at a union studio in Jan 2019 and had my first bout of unemployment that same year in November that lasted six months of trying to land my next gig (conveniently the pandemic hit that same time I was looking for work). I had to work part time at a restaurant (which ended up being nuked during the pandemic) and a hardware store, both virtually down the street from the Studio I had been at the year prior. I ended up learning a harsh lesson about the industry and I’d never been so close to having to pack up and go home to my parents (it was also the first time I’ve been away from home on my own as an adult). But I learned a harsh lesson about myself too, that I wanted stability more than anything else. But I also want to work in animation, or rather, feel like I can only work in animation. I just happen to be ok enough at it that I’ve worked in the industry for over 3 years now, and I’m not really qualified enough to work in anything else that would pay close enough to a living wage, let alone all the benefits that come with an in union gig. And the one thing that a lot of these studios have a connection to is the Animation Guild Union that protects our access to good wages and healthcare. These things aren’t easy for independent studio commonly provide.
Like you said, it depends on the person. Many older artist in the industry who are already established and have homes and lots of money and savings can totally go the route of doing animation purely for fun where they can afford to always go out of union for gigs. But in the current world we live in, for a lot of artists, we have to do work first for whoever can pay us or provide for use the benefits we need for our living and we have to separate fun work and collabs on the side when we can.
I just wanted to offer that perspective. I know there’s a lot of fans of yours on this channel who don’t work in animation and have no idea how fragile it is and the people who work on its rights are and why. The truth is, when there’s a a creative based industry controlled by people at the top of billion dollar companies, they’re going to be exploited. But at the same time, from what I know from my other friends in the industry, even if they cross out of union for work, when their healthcare hours start to run low, they always try to come back in at least for 400 hours.
That’s an unfortunate symptom of a post-capitalist society that breeds dependence on corporations.
(oh shit uh, also to anyone reading this, if you happen to go to my profile to see what this “animation industry insider’s” stuff looks like, this channel I’m on mostly has suuuuper old art from when I was 13 on the early internet. I don’t take it down because I don’t wanna censor my old child self somehow? but at the same time look at it as even a 13 year old who draws cringey KH meme art like that can eventually learn how to draw ok enough to work in animation lol)
Amen man, exactly these problems are why I planned out to always be at least part time employed in a company to pay for rent, food, bills n stuff. And the other 1/4 of my time I spend on building my own company since it’s unstable and only for additional income.
Especially for old age pension it’s extremely important that you have had a full time job long enough before so that you won’t end up on the streets.
This video filled my dark soul with light
Is that a DMC 1 reference?
I'd like to think so. I'm inspired by many animators on TH-cam, yourself included, as I animate my YT channel series' pilot. TH-cam might not be the place to gain a career production wise as they tend to want short, easy-to-produce content, yet it is the largest viewing platform seen yet. So, it is the way to gain a following and an avenue to other forms of revenue. I just don't see how -- unless you own a studio -- you can create a story of your own through established companies nowadays. They have almost all the control, and the actual creators of shows have to leverage themselves and their work ethics to even be able to put up a fight against any form of compromise over their own works of art. So, I do believe indie production is the way to go nowadays.
This is such an interesting topic! Now a days, it is becoming more apparent that artists are seeking to attune into their independence to create their own projects. Along with the collective of other like minded artists! I think this is a great move for many others who not only want to bring their own vision to the fray in the world of animation. But, to also, create, refine, and redefine what Animation really can be for the individual on a microcosm level! :)
I'm a young animatior, and though I may not be as knowledgeable about the animation industry as others, but I feel like indie is the way to go.
What I know as of now is that studios can put alot of restrictions on a show and cancel a show anytime they please. Examples being: Owl House, Final Space, Samurai Jack(Before Revival), etc. And the problem with that is most show have to rush like Star Vs The Forces of Evil. Futurama had gotten threated to be cancelled multiple times during it's time airing causing it have multiple series finales.
And yes it is harder to make a show on the internet and get people to watch it but some things are easier then if you were making your show on the internet.
For example you can meet some really talented people on the internet if that be on discord or anywhere else. And it will be easier to get people on the team, sometimes you don't even need to pay them.
Really if you do:
•You can start anytime you want
•Cancel the show anytime you want
•No restrictions
•Pretty much anyone can watch your show
•As the show gets more well-known you can start hiring people to do dub or something like that
•You can keep your fans updated about the show easier
•Its a great way to make a pilot
•Easier marketing
There are many indie cartoons and not just 2D. Helluva Boss, Ollie and Scoop, Meta Runner, Castle Dark, Interstellar Rangers the list goes on. You could probably make an indie movie.
So even if you don't make a whole show on the internet I would make a pilot on the internet bc you don't even know when your show will even get green lit, if you do give it to a company, aside from other reasons.
And hey you mean end up being as lucky as Olan Rogers.
I'm making a show on YT currently as YT is a great place to share your animations with the whole world, as the animation community is one of the best communities on the platform.
This is the longest comment I have ever written 🤣
I think the ideal is small or smallish studios that have a passionate and agile staff willing to take risks, that listen to their fans for feedback, and then license out their works to people for distribution.
3 years ago I decided some day I'd make my own animation of an story I was working on. I'm still practicing but I'm definitely gonna do It once I'm ready!
Recruit us. This comment section is richer than all the gig platforms on earth for raw animator power. Lets get independent together.
Start that studio. We already work for free because we cost so much to pay.
Is 1000$ usd per 1 min of animation a good rate?
@@calebwest3797 depends who is paying who for what
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look at helluva boss. they have all the time they want to produce a lovable episode appreciated by their fans, and they don’t have insane corporations putting the animators on a leash. yeah, it’s gonna be way harder, but i’m pretty sure i’d be happier if i can work on something i enjoy and have my own time to work on it
As someone who did try to set up a studio and go independent it is pretty tough and taxing, video pretty accurate. I think the biggest issue is just how YT isn't very receptive to Animation, with how long it can take and all the inactivity and algorithm as well as minutes watched. If it was still the same in the past with money from views of videos then YT would have been a forefront platform for indie animators and was partly why I did want to do an indie project, but the YT changes completely sunk animation sector that could have really grown. I think the biggest issue I had with it was how lonely it is but still did manage to a chunk of work for it and be able to work on it more background with a normal job, a team would have been quite fun, and it can help so it probably in the end is better to work in a team or if you go individually then you need to maybe stick to smaller stuff and be flexible to feedback.
Great talk. I've been meaning to become more interdipendent artist but I feel I also need a bit more growth being dependent. Its a bit hard for me considering I'm still in school and a good chunk of my projects aren't fit with the branding I have in mind (I want to do more 2d but I'm doing a lot of 3d) maybe I need to push a bit more and talk to others. Sometimes in social media can feel lonely because being stick in our own bubbles is so easy. Maybe I'll find out how to output for me and others soon enough. Love your videos with this introspection!!! We need more people like you in the industry!!!
I hope the Owl house fandom saves the show, because I felt in love with the story and the characters, even the secondary characters has his own magic touch, and I think if the owl house animators open a patreon or something like that , people would let them the freedom who deserve to end the story like the animators want
Where are struggling animators supposed to go, then, when the big corporates are just gonna do away with animation?
You can't just do independent animation when your own work doesn't even pay the bills.
I honestly think we're about to enter a golden age for indie animation and animation in general. Never before has the knowledge and technology been so accessible and so affordable. Seriously, most people can self-learn animation within 3 years time for less than $500 worth of online courses.
Look at what happened to indie gaming in the late 2000s and 2010s and look at where it is today. Who would have thought that so many independent studios would thrive so well. I don't know how or when, but a gold-rush for animation will come soon. Especially when movies like Spider-Verse or shows like Arcane and Love, Death and Robots are breaking ground.
All you animators just keep sharpening your skills and ideas and be ready.
When you were talking about communities it reminded me that I would love to see a discord server from you! Knowing how your channel is all about sharing experiences and learning how to be an animator. It would be awesome to finally have a place where animators hang out and help each other.
This is a great video, I'd largely call myself independent, but I find myself drifting into dependent thoughts often but find the corporate machine very intimidating, but after seeing this, I'm going to try cultivate a more inter-dependent mindset! That being said two things you only touched are big struggles for me, Money, and more importantly, reaching out to the community, the intriguing thing is that I feel these two problems sort of solve themselves.
I really struggle to complete stuff quickly, and I get this horrible imposter syndrome as a result and can ironically only stay motivated with longer projects, stuff I can chip away at, so as a result I don't feel "worthy" of interacting with the community because I don't have enough stuff to show off, but at the moment I'm saving up to get some help with a project I've been working on with some friends, and once I have some cash to budget out, I'll feel like I have something to offer, a starting point to interact with, rather than just "Hey, can someone help me?"
Overall, this video has encouraged me to make the jump with this!
Screw Netflix, I'm working on my own indie project, problem is, it's going to take 4 years to finish. But I'm in it for the long haul!
I was considering doing Inde animations in the future, honestly it sounds a little more better. But yeah, personal projects are something I also could do.
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Hey man, if by any chance you see this, this video was very, very helpful for me. I want to make my own series and I am working on it right now, but I'm still kind of a newbie, and most importantly I don't know too many places or communities that I can get feedback with. But I'm learning one by one, and your video was a great help. Thank you!
Would love to go indie! It takes a long time, but you have all the freedom to do what you want. Even I can just make one pilot episode in the future, that would be enough for me
You know, i always enjoy your videos, cause it always seems they hit the spot at perfect time; i was really sad cause of Netflix situation, had a dream of working there, and well....i currently work on my own indie project, and thought - why not? Why not take it seriously?..🤔
As an Indie Animator, I hope we too can make it big someday.
I wish folks would get together and create their own properties. And these properties like Bone would be Kickstarted and made. Jeff Smith's Bone is one cancelled but I don't see how he couldn't do a Kickstarter and earn 3 million - and just pay an anime studio to get a whole season done and just deliver it to fans. Average cost of an anime episode is 100K. You telling me folks with clout can't do that?
Im in a similar situation to whats happening at Netflix. It sucks. This is why Ive decided to start working harder on my indie game. I just dont think I can trust the animation idustry to take care of me in the long term.
Sadly, animation studios/companies nowaday are all Mr. Krab :c
Listening to your videos is my therapy
Thank you Toniko!
8:49
Just Savin this
Very inspiring
Loool the DMC reference
Indie is a double edge sword mostly because you will get lone wolf habits that will make you harder to be employed on a team.
There is also a stigma for generalists that they are a Jack of all trades master of none but in some cases
it's Jack of all trades has spend years learning and is intimidating for the team to grasp his full potential
so it's just sent out to do menial tasks until some problem occurs to get them out of the situation by working 72 hours with no break. Not happened to you?
Tanks for sharing your experiences
Well there other way then just making project from other studios like they can try a web series like helluva boss, meta runner and other stuff
Hey, has anyone watched the Rhino and The Redbill pilot?
Thanks for sharing.
Okok I agree with the community part, I just dont know what i need to do to create an animated proyect
Should I stop animate my cartoon pilot and start make cómics to build a community?
Or should I still full focus on my cartoon animated pilot?
Or should I overwork on both pilot and cómics even if it is to much?...
Im lost all I want to do is to see my own proyecto alive but I dont know how...
Haven’t watched the video yet, but am pretty confident the treatment of toh is going to be mentioned in the video
Remember all those multi billion dollar media pubshers were all idie once.
But I’m a 13 yr teenager and things are really hard for me with the backgrounds, animators, storyboarders, etc.. but can I still make a project at this age
RIP Wings of Fire series…
I've always wanted to create animated stories, but I cant draw. My "gift" or talent is in writing and planning/outlining and character creation. Where could I find artists to work with?
I would love to have my xenomon share universe as a indie cartoon but I don't know the right animators or talent or money to do it
great video
so i was sitting down drawing while listening to this and then at 5:11 i hear you say among us and i just jump out of my seat because before that i was kind of zoning out listening but not really
I don't wanna work alone. But I also hate capitalist studios. 😭
We gotta band together and make our own animations together!
plot twist, they're not capitalist studios. In fact, most studios are losing money because they didn't follow capitalist rules. Because if they did, they wouldn't be losing money.
@@GeekHazu This is a “No True Scotsman” argument. Capitalism always works, because if it doesn’t work, it isn’t capitalism!
@@thegeekclub8810 well, the facts are on the table in these modern days, you can deny it or accept it. good luck with communist studios then.
dito sa pilipinas, karamihan ng animator ay pamilyadong tao lalo na yung mga beterano. wala na sa isip ng iba sa atin yung paggawa ng sariling animation project. payment stability na lang.
Another helpful video, i gotta ask does anyone know how to be a part of animation community. Where i can find more animators, pages or groups? Kind of isolated freelancing for a long time.
Is mindset something that can be cultivated or is it born/ organically learned?
Well . . . If you are in Ontario, I have a blender studio that allows remote work
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I'm a little cynic but I'm just gonna say that Indie Animation to me is only possible if you are basically fucking rich. Rich enough to afford a team to pay, found your own company, etc. I'm poor as fuck. I want to create my own shit but I'd bankrupt myself trying. It's easy for someone who has the financial means or has no actual desire to create to tell someone to just "go Indie" like it's that easy. Well I don't and I do, and I honestly don't see any path of hope for my projects to ever become a reality.
8:53 oh my god🤣
no discord server yet?
Hi, puppy! =D
What program is he using? I’m not an animator
Lol Netflix started heavily outsourcing their work to cut costs I guess.
I don’t fully understand why people are devastated about shows being canceled. Do they not pay animators for all the work they’ve done once a show is canceled?
I’ve been in a handful of canceled shows and productions. I spent a lot of my time and effort on them, but sadly it’s work I can’t show (or can never show) due to ndas and all. Credits on productions go a long way, it’s another proof of your resume. It’s more than just getting paid
I just wish the tax system in the US wasn't inherently built to work against freelancers and indie projects.
Midnight- productions pays 1000$ usd per 1 min of animation.
Do it your self, never sell out. Giga corporations are soulless and their animation shows it.
me and the boys fishing out racist slurs
Wauu
If VivziePop can do it, so can others.
That sadly doesn't factor in drive and determination to make a risk that isn't guaranteed to work. Especially considering we don't know how much of a struggle making hazbin/helluva work
Also, vivzie had a team and years of smaller projects to help make that happen. She was in the right place at the right time and had a bit of luck that went into it. Sadly not everyone is gonna be afforded that help.
Still. No reason to not try
Everyone has their own Conditions. Comparing the circumstances of one person does not apply to other people. I think that attempt is great to make your own project. But even if someone does manage to make a super ambitious project, it doesn't mean it'll reach the same sort of audience that Hazbin Hotel has. So many factors.
But I do think other people should make the attempt if they believe they could make something valuable.