Are Feral Carnosaurs Any Good in Patch 5.1? - Lizardmen Unit Focus
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- It's time to look at the updates to the Feral Carnosaur, biting bigger and badder than ever! Take that, power creep! Wait, that means Lizardmen joined the power creep. Oh.
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I'm curious how they could rework that stuff without taking away from the Oxyotl campaign everyone compares the others to.
Careful with what you wish for
Total war got me into warhammer fantasy and when the lizardmen came out I immediately fell in love . Still are my favorite to date. As always loving the unit videos. It gives me a deeper dive into them as well as keeping me up to date!
Glad it helps, Lizardmen getting a little more competitive with the neighbors is good for everyone I think.
Power creep has definitely taken a huge chunk out of their glory days, but carnosaurs are still a pretty good unit. Need proof? To this day a Primeval Glory doomstack of these things is still a huge pain in campaign. Only thing I'd say they really needed changed is either more missile resist or more health. But I'd probably say that for most single entity monsters. The impact of a huge expensive beast in TWW just doesn't hit the way it does in tabletop.
They'd have more of an impact if I wasn't playing Ultra size, but that's popular and good for TH-cam so oh well.
@@OffToBattleisnt ultra standard now? I thought everything was balanced around ultra
The biggest issue with lizard Dino's is that they have an abundance of heroes that do it better, and can be acquired earlier than the recruitable ones from the building chain. How often does anyone actually go about recruiting Feral Carno's in their campaigns? I think if they got knocked down to a T4 building it would make a world of difference.
i usually just rite of primeval glory around the start and add them to my main army and disband any bastilidons or stegodons if i cant afford their upkeep
Well you can get the heroes but they take a long time to grow. I certainly have recruited them in the past straight from the building... but I think everyone's favorite method is still to break up a Primeval Glory army if it has like, 4 of them, so you have two in two armies or one in four armies.
Yeah I've done that exact thing too despite liking the other dinos
Giants need to come down a tier too
Yeah especially kroq gar can recruit stacks full of carno mounted heroes before he unlocks the feral ones. And they have massive buffs.
I like these as general purpose problem solvers. While on paper they're monster hunters, they're great into just about anything if you need it dealt with badly enough. The best part about them is their speed and responsiveness, they can be on something in a couple seconds from pretty much anywhere in an emergency; they can save lords and heroes, rear charge and terror rout elite infantry away from Saurus, ward off cavalry or else make that charge theor last, knock over artillery in under thirty seconds from the start of a battle, and pick up some archers for a snack on the way back. They can multitask beautifully by wobbling between those tasks and others, and charging through lines then disengaging on the way to something else, juke artillery or even guns and arrows, and weave between units to be equal parts hammer and scalpel. I don't think they doomstack especially well, but they're one of my favorite units to stick into an army almost regardless of composition to get things done, and they're easily my favorite unit to get control of in multiplayer campaigns, where I can just micro one for the entire fight.
They hit that beautiful tactical balance of being able to outfight anything they can't outrun, being able to outrun anything they can't outfight, and being better at running and fighting combined than almost any other unit. Only the Bloodthirster really threatens them, and even then, the Bloodthirster won't make it through cleanly, or at all if the Carnosaur has support.
Pretty much the only things wrong with them is that a Scar Veteran on one is just better in every way but ease of recruitment, and they do need a bit of micro to really pull weight, leading to diminishing returns past like, 2 if you're not a micro wizard.
Feral Rage makes stacking them full of its own annoyances but they definitely have lots of upside. I'm sure given freedom of choice I'd break up a Primeval Glory army between 3-4 others and send one Feral Carnosaur to each. Definitely a panic button for certain large entities getting loose.
They are a really good unit- good at what it is designed to do. It is not the best anti-large unit in the game, but its pretty strong in the role. It was just buffed in 5.1 with Weapon Strength, which allows the unit to be a better anti-large tool. I think that their HP should be buffed to 8500 and their Leadership should be at least 70 to make them less prone to routing. Otherwise, I totally agree with your assessment- this guy is a scalpel, meant for a hit and run, not staying in a fight for long periods of time. Dread Saurian he is not, but they are the fastest and cheapest anti-large melee option on the Lizardmen roster.
Yeah, I've always liked them, proverbial warts and all.
i reckon the carnosaur should come with the hunger since u can recruit them till tier 5
The cheat for that is to pay the piper (the 12,000 gold) for a Primeval Glory army... though that's not a guarantee of getting them.
@@OffToBattle with their rework coming when slannash dlc comes out they proberly gonna get a building tier lowered
In launch wh2 it was great versus infantry also.
Especially with old cold blooded that heals units
Well yes, but Oracles almost make up for losing that.
I like the balance with the Dinosaurs. The Carnosaurs are great, but they're not necessarily always the best choice.
Definitely not always best, not armored enough for some jobs, regular stegadons are better against infantry spam.
Is it me or did they buff its attacks speed too?
The attack interval is the same, but that doesn't say anything about the speed of the animations. I haven't played lizardmen enough lately to say for sure.
Heyho! Nice video :)
I did not comment the last videos. But i watched them today. Nice that you did the whole ogre roster and now the carnosaurs :D. Good videos as always!
The problem is the carnosaur suffered from powercreep. It got less good over time. He can still do very well when he get the chance to do so.
But do i recruit them? Definetly no.
The only one i recruit is the regiment.
He got the same "problem" like the stonrhorn. Why should i recruit them as an unit if i can get them as an hero. And the heros on a carnosaur perform a lot better and are quite good! I love them. But i use them only as mounts 😅🤷🏻♂️
But still, they can be effective if given the chance.
I also got another video series idea that could intrest a few people. Maybe you could save the idea for future content. :)
I am talking about dragons. All of them. Star dragons, Sun, moon, forest and black dragons. The high elves can recruit 3 of them and can use them as mounts(even the fire mage hero can get one), the woodelves can recruit the forest dragons and get them as mounts and same goes for the black dragons of the dark elves. And dont forget abount the undead dragons, the chaos dragons and the weird norscan ones 😂. I think they are very good and versitile single entity monsters. And i feel like they are also very good as normal units. They can do a lot of work. One of my favorites in game.
The great eagle are also very ineresting (mount and normal unit, but i think they are only good as mounts) and the 3 phoenix variants also. But i am mostly interestet in the dragons. But there is a lot to consider. A lot variants, lords and a lot races to try to get a proper picture of them.
Only wanted to give you the idea!
Keep up the good work! :)
I've done videos on the eagle and the phoenixi, just search for them, but I haven't gotten deep into the dragons ever. I might well do just that after update videos on Terrorgheist and the Vampire Coast version, they've been improved which helps them fight power creep. Thanks for the input!
@@OffToBattle Oh, i will watch them later, thanks mate!
@@itsjesus9362 Cool. I think last time Legend of Total War did a video with a pyre phoenix he called it a fire chicken... ha.
middle of the road unit in all reality. But top tier mount
If it's hitting its preferred prey it's not at all bad.
Have you done one of these for reworked Frost Wyrms yet?
Not yet, no. I was doing a looong Kroq-gar campaign post-hotfix, so that's gotten me over the hump for a bunch of things related to his faction. Haven't looked at the Frost Wyrms, but I understand their hitbox got adjusted to reflect reduced size?
@@OffToBattle Ah fair enough.
Correct, they were also given an anti-large bonus (for some reason, idk why. You'd think given their animations they'd want anti-infantry).
@@MandalorianRaider Hm, curious.
JURRRASSSIIC WAARRR LOL
Certainly gives off that classical vibe.