3D Printers on Kickstarter - Where are they now?
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- Let's revisit some of the 3D Printer crowdfunding campaigns I analysed over the years and see if you should have backed them... or not.
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Oooooh...everyone back my kickstarter campaign for a revolutionary new 3d printer! It has 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms, in a really nice neighbourhood....er...I mean....its an amazing printer with never before seen features! Upgrade to the premium version to get an additional 2 bedroom guest house....er....I mean even more features....print food, money, metal, crypotocurrencies....
That comment cracked me up. “He thinks PLA is plastic”.
+Hackintosh he sure told me!
How did you forget the Tiko! What a nightmare...
Wow, a reviewer who actually goes back and checks on the progress of products he reviewed! Good, professional attitude.
Woah, you don't block ads on youtube. The hero we need
It'd be pretty hypocritical of me! :P
When Angus is laughing as he says "Let's get started", you know it is going to be a good video! :D
Ha ha. I thought the ad at 7:50 was on my computer and tried to click it away.
I was sure immediately when I fell for it that I would find at least 1 comment pointing it out.
Yes please go over this year's campaigns! I love these videos!
Yes, this is a great series, continue - you're the voice on this.
I’ve been burnt far too many times on kickstarter and indiegogo. I’ll never back another item on either of those services. Weird thing is, I actually got the 101 hero, and that was one of the few things I thought I would never get!
I never thought the 101hero would arrive either. It's such a curious machine that I'm happy with my purchase even though it sucks. To have nothing at all be delivered for some of these more expensive projects though... inexcusable.
I got my 101hero as well, and as for you guys, I didn't expect it one day ! It's a shit for sure but we can find a few tutorials on how to upgrade it, by replacing almost everything !
Your advice about kickstarter being little more than a donation is so spot on I wish I could like this video twice. Great advice!
Hey, Thanks for the content
I've been 3D printing for the past 3 months and your videos have helped so much, Been using a Cocoon Create. Probably the most well thought out and put together videos out there.
My friend Kickstarted the SparkMaker, still waiting on that one to deliver though.
I picked up the Trinus, in part from your positive review. It was my first (and so far only) 3D printer. It works, I can print but I found reliability to be a big issue, which is another thing that you can't gauge for a Kickstarter campaign. Still, it was cheap enough to push me over the edge and it's been enough to get my feet wet so overall pretty happy :)
I didn't find the video usefoul, i found it awsome and informative. Thank you. Love your channel.
So what about OLO/ONO????
turns out they just shipped out the first 9 units a few days ago
Scam, bruh. Money grab.
I enjoyed this video! I remember many of those campaigns. I have many times been tempted to "pledge", but my gut feeling and available money has stopped me. Also since many of the campaigns ships after a year or more, their sellingpoints and features might be outdated when, and if, they hit the market.
Love my Moai! Thanks for pointing me in that direction Angus. It's a very reasonable machine for the price.
How did you make this without mentioning the Tiko?
There was already so much drama... TIKO is a disaster deserving of its own entire video.
Yep, I was stung with that one, and also stung with the "ready to ship, pay shipping money now" on the same project. Kickstarter won't answer any questions on the project at all, real shame as mostly my Kickstarter experience has been great.
Maker's Muse - I look forward to the Tiko video, if you ever decide make it.
Those guys were such _idiots_ it was almost stunning ... !
Maker's Muse I was a lucky early bird who received a Tiko. Let me know if you want it to see how bad they are...
There is a good video by @JAT.MN in which he analyzes why the tiko3d campaign failed.
What was also bad in the last time were the several mk42 campaigns.
The GB located campaign was bad because the bed were mostly unusable because they were too much bent.
(when you got one)
And the one from @jjacobsensnake were produced but (looks like mostly) not sent out.
And he stopped communicating with the backer when he got all the money.
There actually some guy who want to make quick cash:
www.indiegogo.com/projects/origin-prusa-i3-mk2s-clone/x/8072847#/
(he had also a mk42 heatbed campaign before)
Those campaigns don't get any support because the trust in crowdfunding is gone.
At the early mk42 campaigns there was no source for the mk42 but now you can get it from orballo printing in spain with a really good quality for 60€ -> AND YOU GET IT ...
I was one of the backers of the peachy printer. So hyped all the time and after 3 years the house was build. wow.
Maker's Muse , I’m not collecting money but I am going to be designing a 3D printer, literally like never before. I’m starting with making my own motors, so different than a servo and a stepper but better than both. And another feature I can’t mention here that is a game changer, my motors are going to give me less than micron accuracy with fast speed. I want your input... if your willing to keep quiet and not take my ideas
progress?
@@Reach3DPrinters been put off on the back burner (lol) I have a very inventive mind, most of my ideas I never carry out cause of no free time and or the money and time to do it. But I never forget my ideas....
I'm a truck driver,... drive,sleep,drive,sleep...
No free time. If certain things happen in the stock market and I can do very well off of dividends and not have to work anymore, I'm going to build all my ideas.
Oh also outside of my motor design,
I thought of a printer / cnc mill design that has no linear parts, everything is radial movement. And all the parts are flawlessly symmetrical. Meaning like a slice of a pie, do you want 3,4,8,32 etc slices bolted together, less slices bolted together means larger prints/mills and more precision accuracy.
... But whats im getting at is a "parent" can create a "child" much larger than it's self.
@@davidprock904 I bought some NIO a couple months ago... it just started taking off this last couple weeks. My TSLA stock is also doing pretty well this last year!
The future of locomotion is electric. These companies will take control of the auto market within 5-10 years. If you can throw a few hundred into NIO, I would recommend it while its still fairly cheap, but of course, thats the stock market, no guarantees. Tesla is a pretty safe semi long term bet though.
What about the tiko?
Grate job keep it up and wood love to see your thoughts on the mp mini Delta
Saw your tab open for the M3D Pro - what happened?
Very interesting information. Thanks Angus
Also to add to the trinus, Kodama are also adding upgrades to the store such as a leveling bed, new extruder design, and new pcb.
Hey Angus, can you do a video on the new 3d printers boards that are coming out (GearBest, Aliexpress, etc)?
Heck Angus, as a Cetus3D MK1 owner I didn't get burnt at all and I don't think I've come across any Cetus owner that feels that they were burnt. The "problem" that you mention with the MK1 Cetus had various solutions via the community and eventually by Cetus who offerred a low-cost fix kit to the arm lowering on power down. MK1 Cetus owners burnt? definitely not! I am still so pleased with my MK1 Cetus. I'm quite shocked that you'd describe Cetus KS backers as being burnt with what they received.
True, 'burnt' was an overstatement! The Cetus is still one of the best budget machines i've tested, period. The MK2 is substantially improved however.
I agree, I'm quite happy with my purchase of a mark 1 extended and it is generally my go to printer over my Up2 plus
I would also say while I love my Cetus I've since scrapped their CPU on my MK1 and replaced it with tinyfabs replacement smoothie based CPU. And its fantastic. My main complaints about the Cetus MK1 in stock form still relates to the MK2 and its honestly the Up/Cetus Software and slicer its so limited and constricting it makes the printer less fun to use. You can use Simplify 3d with a stock Cetus but its not a easy process for newbies and people just starting to 3d print so I would recommend if anyone who already owns a 3d printer get a Cetus they upgrade to the Tinyfab CPU as well.
jonathan anderson I think a lot of people are perfectly happy with the stock Cetus and the Cetus slicer. It’s perfectly possible to use other slicers without the tiny fab unit. I’m not knocking the excellent tinyfab option, but that’s what it is - an option for some people - definitely not an essential update.
I've been looking into getting a 3d printer and I keep coming back to the Cetus MK2. Would you recommend it for a first time 3d printer. I would be wanting to print TPU alot for my quad. I'm in NZ or I would probably get the MP mini2 but shipping is horrendous.
Great video with some important tips about when (if ever!) to risk some money on a Kickstarter 3D printer (from another one of the many who lost out on the Tiko).
Hi, your video is really usefull for me thanks. What about now on kickstarter?
Don't forget the ONO/OLO phone-based resin printer - they keep coming up with excuses why their printer hasn't shipped yet.
Still waiting to see what the outcome is for that one... might get its own video!
Maker's Muse yes please! Maybe if they watch your video they'll explain something more, as it happened the last time.
Maker's Muse When friends asked me if they should back Ono, I told them : "How much will you miss your 100€ if they don't deliver?" They backed it anyway but at least they're not too bitter about it ^^
ONO/LO was my first and last kickstarter experiance. A $250 lesson rearned (two (nonexisting) units plus (nonexisting) extra resin).
yes please make another video about them...
What do you think about Kudo3d Bean? They have 2 already succesful products and this suppose to be a cheaper but still high resolution sla machine
Do this again, love it :)
Hi Angus, we have a form2, and its great, but I want to get an FDM to go with it. I need it for work, and not as a hobby, so im looking for something that is fairly plug and play and I won't have to fiddle with. I know the Markforged printers are known for being good professional printers, but we cant spend ten grand on an FDM printer. Do you know of any printers around the 1500-2000usd mark that I can just use every day without having to fiddle with it or experiment? Thanks.
Thanks for sharing 😀👍
I actually got my Moai thanks to your review when I was just about to buy a Wanhao Dup i3, I am very happy that I went with the SLA printer in the end though since I am a character artist and it can do some amazing figure prints! Thank you for that helpful review!
Also, did you forget about the Tiko? :) Another colossal flop from last year, I had backed one at the time... eurgh.
Great vid! Would love a vid on 2017 KS offerings. I backed the buildone myself and am quite concerned about it. Would love to know your thoughts!
I wonder where the BuildOne printer kickstarter will end up on this future list.
What do you think about the snapmaker 2.0?
I bought into the Minitoy....it works but I have such difficulty and need help and there is no one to help. Tried community boards but little help. Wonder if I should just toss it and keep the 10 spools of filament to use perhaps with a 3d pen....so fustrated.
Also to add to the drinks, Kodak's are also adding upgrades to the store such as a leveling bed, new extruder design, and new pcb.
More of this please
Just recently salvaged the motors from my Tiko and threw the rest in the trash :p
Hope they're at least useful for some other projects!
It's a shame, I actually really like the Tiko....not because of how it prints.....no...it's just....awful. Aesthetically, it's gorgeous. It's surprisingly low power and the fact that it had/has/had Wi-Fi...was pretty neat! I tore mine apart and disappointingly it uses a Texas Instruments chip which, to my knowledge, uses proprietary software you must purchase to reprogram it...so it's cheaper to make another board for it...legitimately. (I am actually doing that by the way, based off of the Duet Wi-Fi 1.03 so it maintains as much of the original aesthetics as I can manage.)
I am a CNC Machinist and a passionate maker, I'm going to try to fix mine. I'm going to see if I can give it what it should have had out of the box reusing as much as possible yet quickly scrapping parts if they are not sufficient. If I'm successful I'll release all the files so those that hung onto those can fix their own...it's mainly a challenge to me. Wtf is wrong with me? 😆🤓
lilelbee423 awww. Pity to just throw the rest out.
low power is generally not a good thing for 3d printers
hansdietrich83 That's not completely true because it entirely depends on [why] it is low power. Is it low power because the motors are more efficient? Is the print environment well insulated?? A printer using a ton of power does not equal a good or high-quality machine, it could be because the components are terrible and there is a lot of friction to overcome when the machine wants to move. Not sure you thought about that. If a computer sucks up a ton of power, is that good? No, not particularly. It depends on a lot of variables.
I've had my Trinus for about a year now, and I'm still happy with my purchase. I've used it for printing Christmas presents, knick-knacks, and normal printables. For the price, the build volume is quite small, but as long as you are inventive you can get around that limitation. The max speed is about 70mm/s, which is a lot slower than belt driven printers.
The main redeeming quality for the Trinus, in my opinion, is the precision and durability of the metal parts. Prints rarely fail and if they do, its due to user error and not any quirk of the printer itself. I'd love if they came out with a size expansion for the print volume, and due to the modular nature of the printer this would be quite easy to achieve.
Looking back I would have bought an Anet A8 or something a bit faster, but the Trinus is great for printing things while you are away at work, and the metal construction is less of a fire hazard.
Last night I dreamt that you were at a maker's faire in Norway, and you gave advice to people on how to improve their print results. But, even though I had plenty of problems with my prints, I was too lazy to walk the hundred metres to the fair to talk to you. Most exciting dream ever!
@Maker's Muse Do you ever had the occasion to try any italian made 3D printer such as WASP or SHAREBOT?
I haven't seen you mention it but I'm wondering what you think of the sparkmaker. It seems like people should be getting their printers within the next month but who know what will happen
Oh cool an iDubbbz vide... hang on a second!
Hah! I love that guy, but I think he's evolved past Kickstarter at this point :P
Maker's Muse Yeah, but still love binge watching his older KickStarter videos.
Hi Angus! Brief question: ever heard of the SnapMaker 3-in-1 printer from Kickstarter? 3-in-1 because there are three exchangeable modules for 3D-printing, laser engraving and CNC carving. It is currently shipping (mine will arrive in a few weeks), but I'm wondering if you ever plan to do a review or get one...
Question: Have your thoughts about Gambody change over 10 months or so?
Love the "Should you back it" series.
It's been about a year. Are you going to do another one of these?
This was pretty fun! Could you review some more kickstarters? I really like hearing about new ideas as well as tragedies haha, Dobot M1 is an interesting new SCARA 3D printer that is about half a year behind in it’s release but also released the Dobot Magician, thoughts? :3
It's still baffling to see so many people still backing kickstarter campaigns that are over-hyped but have obvious red flags. I mean, failed kickstarter campaigns have been popping out for years now... surely people should know better. A bit of patience, healthy skepticism, and online research could have saved the money they now lost to these campaigns.
BTW, good video Angus. Keep up doing this series! :)
As the phrase goes, there's one born every minute. There are people who don't know about these failed campaigns, don't read up on what they're buying, and go "ooh, shiny!". They also don't pay attention to the fact that KS is not a "buy it", it's a "donate your funds and perhaps get a return".
There are things that have better track records. Board games for instance are consistent. I find many products have a few issues that make it difficult to trust though.
and kickstarr website is poopy to navigate
I agree Ninja, I have backed mostly board games and never have one been missed, some delayed but always deliver. I also enjoy seeing them on shelves, you get a sense of, I helped put them there.
Video games like the 3D printers tho, grumble lol.
Ezra, I think most of those tend to be noobs at it, I find that as they experience their first loss in a failed campaign they quickly learn their mistake.
Can you review the tronxy x5s?
Well the OLO/ONO is what brought me to your channel (to correct you on some things you got wrong in a late night recording/uploading session, which you acknowledged) but after checking out some of your other videos I decided at the last miute to bail on that project and trust someone I didn't know but who seemed to know better (so, THANKS). I've been a subscriber to your channel since then and I watch 'almost' all of your new videos as well as refer back to your old ones every now and then. I even bought your eBook.
As for Kickstarter 3D printers. I've backed 4 to the end now (as in actually paid the cash and not bailed before the campaign ended) and received 3 of them (the 4th being Tiko). None have been any good. There's so much available now I don't see why anyone would bother with KS for this type of product anymore. The risk of loosing your $$'s completely or getting a dud is way too high.
Yes, please make a vid of the current offerings and what you predict will be a winner or loser. Cheers!
What about the Tiko?
Pretty pissed that flopped.
Was one of the lucky few to get a Buccaneer. If you did your printers dead now anyway as it required you to log into there server to use meaning when they shut down the printer became unusable. I am currently replacing the internals to make it somewhat useable.
Yeah I got sent one too and it was broken even before their site went down. Such a disaster.
You could make a checklist from your experiences that could be considered when starting, or financing a kickstarter project.
A checklist would force the campaign to consider doing the important stuff.
I spent $1900 on the 2015 Kickstarter for the Glowforge laser cutter. It was supposed to ship in summer 2016. I just got it about a month ago December 2017 after many many delays. I'm glad I did it now, but it I knew it was going to be over a year late, I probably would not have bought it. That being said it is a great tool and it mostly does what they promised, although the instruction book is almost nonexistent. They seem to be counting on people in the forms to substitute for documention.
Tiko, that is all ;-; now got a pursa i3 mk 2 (need to upgrade to the S or 2.5 soonish me thinks)
An interesting follow up to this video and to give the perspective of the people who ran one would be to have a chat with the folks at Eora scanners as they have now delivered the bulk of their units, about 18 months late. As they are reasonably local to you it would be too hard to achieve.
I backed the Trinus by Kodama and I still use it to this day, have had to replace a few items but it is still a great printer
iam a baker of the Obsidian 3d and still no printer or shipping date yet
What about the ULIO 3d printed 3d printer?
Didn't you review the Cel Robox ? If i recall correctly it was a kickstarter as well. I had the (dis)pleasure of working with them, they did get some things very right and some not so much ... results when working where stunning with ABS (seriously, it made ABS EZ).
Flux 3DP was a very successful and high quality delta that also does drawing, laser etching, scanning, and paper cutting.
Ahhh the Buccaneer, I was on the verge of buying one during the campaign. So glad I didn't! Although the Two-Up I ended up getting wasn't such a big improvement!
The TIKO delta 3d printer was the first project I've backed that failed to ship (at least, it didn't ship to me; as far as I know only a handful of backers got anything). I've backed a LOT of Kickstarters, and that was the only 3d printer I tried. I almost backed the Snapmaker 3d printer/CNC/Laser engraver, but then I discovered the CR-10.
Yes please! I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about the KS 3D printer projects coming out this year. :D
Angus, what do you think of the BuildOne Kickstarter project? It launched just before the Obsidian ;)
I'm waiting on my Build One printer. I think I'll get it.
I backed the Reach 3D Kickstarter printer in March 2016. They delivered mine in October of 2016 and eventually they delivered to every backer. I'm still using the printer.
I backed the Reach 3D Printer... and I use it daily! It’s a great Printer and has terrific support via Google+! It’s too bad Angus or Joe Telling (@3dprintingnerd) never reviewed them!
Hello, and ONO Printer? Can you discover what they are doing? Regards
I must have missed this video Angus so just caught it today, i also backed the 101 hero and received it (i know could not believe it !!) on opening the box i quickly shut it and put it up for sale on the web as i knew this was gonna be trouble.....on the bright side i got my money back from the sale but the recipient had to fix the board due to bad component placement although on a good thing the manufacturers did offer to send a new complete board if i wanted...
Yeah 101 Hero was a weird one. I like what they were trying to do but they were about 50% of the way there.
I nat the moment I saw you upload
i got the anet a8, good printer but has some room for improvement, luckily i am eager to make those improvements.
Angus, I backed the Craftbot back in 2014, it finally got to me in Jan 2015, about 5 months after their estimated shipping date. Which, in all honesty, is pretty amazing. Since the printer they shipped, despite some initial issues, turned out to be a fantastic work horse. I am still using it today (it's printing right now!) But back then I had different expectation of Kickstarter projects. Nowadays, if a crowdfunded hardware campaign delivers within 1 year of their estimated date, I think that's on time. And this is frankly the problem with crowdfunding 3D printer campaigns these days. Unlike back in 2014, there are so many fantastic printers available that won't break the bank these days. Also, since most hardware campaigns are years late in delivery, chances are, whatever nifty feature that was unique in some campaign video is probably going to be standard feature by the time you actually get your campaign reward. So yeah, I totally agree that people should think of crowdfunding as just a donation.
What about the the ONO/OLO printer
I backed the rigidbot about 4yrs ago I think, took a while but I eventually got it and still use it, I've just backed the Sparkmaker a few months back and they are gearing up for delivery now so I seem to be doing ok with my Kickstarters so far
And I've got it now :)
My brother in law actually got a Peachy printer. I think he even managed to print a few simple things with it. It never worked well though.
...I was so close to backing both the Buccaneer printer and the Peachy printer. So glad I kept myself from backing.
Have you reviewed Milkshake 3d?
Kickstarted board games have been a good experience for me, though they fell into the same part, they had a proto type and were testing suppliers of the cards before even creating the campaign. I knew it was a donation and I keep seeing them at the conference so it seems like they are still making games which is cool. What they are doing is also a bit harder to have fail to be honest. Also pre orders, i am talking about actual preorders ie video games are a terrible idea.
good vid mate
What about the ONO or OLO?
Backed 5 makerbot 3d printer few years back.. never been so regret in my life
Another video on the subject would be nice
angus! i miss your videos. i hope you are surviving the fires ok. thinking about y'all from california
i got my cetus because of Maker muse, i was one of the very first 10 to get it and i freaking love it , its a wonderful machine that gets almost no love
Are you planning on reviewing the MP select Mini/ Malyan M200? I ask because of how much you seemed to appreciate it during your 'printers under $350 that don't suck' video. That and I really want to get one, but am a little hesitant. Thank you for all the detailed and insightful reviews
Nathan Staley I bought malan m150 over a year ago from cyber Monday sale for 183e it has worked like a dream eversince, maybe few little extruding problems (easily fixable) but those were my fault.
Lasse u I don't suppose you have put exotic filaments through it? Not just PLA and ABS.
Nathan Staley PETG and TPU has worked fine, haven't tried ABS yet because PETG has similar properties. Wooden PLA (Coolido) looks also great.
Lasse u oh wow, I expected things like HIPS, not TPU's. As far as I could tell, TPU is near impossible with a Bowden style and stock parts. That opens up my choices a lot.
M150 is direct drive, but i have heard it can be done with bowden as well, it might be harder but not impossible, it just needs some tweaking.
Hope to receive my Snapmaker within now and a week time. I always had the same vision, I never bought the Snapmaker, but donated them and got a Snapmaker as a reward. That's what it is. And being supportive to a company would help better than the no-brain complainers expecting premium stuff.. A lot of blabla but totally 0% brain to think they've supported a new company instead of wanting and expecting the BMW under all 3D printers. I've a good relationship with people behind Snapmaker, I believe they are one of the few companies that could survive the 1st generation wave into the next generations.
I got mine on December 27...I love the silly thing, even if my wife hates the noise going at all hours of day and night :)
Same here. Received mine last week, and other than bed adhesion issues, Its been a pretty good 3D Printer. I'm waiting for the enclosure to play with the CNC and Laser print heads. The software is also pretty good for beta quality.
This is more informative than anything. Never knew Kickstarter was that way, it seems like a prime breeding ground for elaborate scammers.
Definitely waiting on the ONO/OLO with bated breath... that at least has a revolutionary method of light projection. Although the backers are pretty pissed at the 4 year delay.
3 years later, I still don't have my obsidian XD
Same...
RIP Kodama, RIP anyone who backed the Obsidian
And Tiko?
Did you ever look at the Sculpto (from Denmark)? It was a kickstarter project, but is now a proper company, and the 2nd generation is out now (Sculpto+). I would be very interested in hearing your opinion about this 3-400 USD printer, with a very different design than any other I have looked at :-)
I've got a couple unusual 3D Printers, one that was actually an initial Kickstarter. I have a Dobot MOOZ 2. Now I did not buy it during the Kickstarter campaign but a few years afterwards buying on Amazon. Amazon had these for around $300 for a small build plate but it does 3D Printing, Laser and CNC. I do have to tell you that I have compared prints vs. a neighbor that has an original PRUSA and he is shocked that I get better prints than he does at similar CURA settings. So, for $300 I made out well. AND to top it off, not sure if I got a refurbished unit BUT I bought a second one that I have set up exclusively for Laser work, the second one I got for $189. Now the second machine I have is a Sindoh. I am not a fan of the autoloading cassette and I have had problems with that but, fortunately, they now allow for open source filament and, as long as you are careful loading the filament and you don't buy the cheapest filament the machine works well. I have had filament jams in the extruder and that requires open heart surgery where the Dobot MOOZ is much easer as all you have to do is open the print module vs. opening the side panel, removing the extruder gear assembly and then, finally clearing the filament jam. I do not have other Boden product but, I assume that filament jams are a pain in those machines as well. The Dobot is much easier when jams occur. A similar machine seems to be the snapmaker but they are very costly so I went with the Dobot.
would really like to see more SLA printers hoping in the next year costs come down on them 200-300$ range would be worth considering for me so sla kick starters would be awesome for reviews (any high def printer really but sla is the king of detail right now)