Another Driver Passes with a Horn When Will La Mesa Fix This?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2024
- When will the @CityofLaMesa put some kind of real infrastructure in these 3 blocks so people on bikes aren't constantly at the mercy of drivers' fragility? We're on Lake Murray Blvd from Marengo to El Paso. It's an unavoidable portion of my daily commute, and I know from one of the city's engineers in a public meeting that there's room here for some kind of option. There just doesn't seem to be the will to do anything, and it's maddening.
Thanks for watching.
These videos can be scary, but please know that my goal isn't to deter people from riding bikes in San Diego, but to show the real-world conditions. Sometimes it's pleasant, sometimes it's just fine, and other times there's tension and conflict.
The roads in San Diego should be safe and accessible to everyone without the use of a car. My hope is that these videos help those in power make better decisions for all our safety. I also believe that the more people who decide to ride, the safer the roads will become.
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the thing about riding in the sidewalk is that it isn’t as safe as you think since cars can just enter and pull out of driveways mindlessly and still run you over
Yes! In addition to the people walking on it, we also have less visibility for people pulling in and out of driveways. There's room for pedestrians, and drivers, and there's room for people on bikes, only someone other than a little sign and some paint needs to let drivers know that.
There's a lot of TH-cam out there about how we handed out society over to the auto industry in the mid-20th century, and it's a real struggle to take it back for people.
bruh I have been riding bikes on sidewalks for 37 years. Zero close calls. I can't count how many close calls I had in the street. This is the usualy annoying bike rider comment. You slow everybody else down, but somehow, they are supposed to be the ones to blame. Get over yourself.
I'm glad you've been comfortable on sidewalks (even though I don't believe you), and have been able to avoid people with strollers, walking dogs, or just walking, as well as cars pulling in and out of curb cuts. On this road, I'm not slowing anyone else down, as there's a whole other lane to be used. And even if I am slowing drivers down: good. What's your hurry? Is that chair not comfy enough?
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego see? You only thinks of yourself. "Frick EVERYBODY behind me, I'm the only one that counts"
Maybe everyone should focus on the people who decided to use the bike lane as parking.
I'd love if people stopped storing their cars in bike lanes.
Some drivers are just entitled assholes
And they're often on this part of Lake Murray Blvd, where the City of La Mesa put a break in the bike lane, and thought "sharrows" would be enough
As usual, it was a junk car, with a junk driver.
funny part is its drivers in CA are required to change lanes to pass a cyclist if a second lane of travel exist. anyways man I love to see your content, please keep it going!
It amazes me how absolutely stupid some drivers are. I’m not a cyclist but I’m aware it’s the same laws and road whether you have 2 wheels or 4 wheels or 18 wheels. Stay safe out there!!
I appreciate this point of view!
I'm a rider also, but I heard that as more of a short "I'm here" honk, not a lay on the horn a**hole honk.
I have a hard time regarding any honk as friendly. When there's room to pass, there's just no need for it. Maybe if cars had bike bells, they wouldn't sound so aggressive. In fact, there's a court case about this moving up to the Supreme Court, I think. The law states, “no person shall sound such bell, gong, horn, whistle or other device for any purpose except as a warning of danger.” More detail are here: www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/california-law-car-horn-speech-18112920.php
In short, since there's no danger here, no warning is necessary. The driver is choosing to make it dangerous by honking to express their frustration in having to move.
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I had to drive for work this week and wished my rental car had a bell! Tons of phone zombies walking crisscross in parking lots, and honking seemed like overkill.
Everybody's different
san diego, riding bikes in, is back at it
Sorry for the slow-down. Between the weather, and coming down with a little sick, haven't been riding as much.
Where I live the city made certain sidewalks wider ,one side is for walking ,other is for bikes. Even without it in other areas ,ppl still ride on the sidewalks . that's in part ,why the city changed it.
Narrow sidewalks are designed for pedestrians, and they're not safe to bike on. But I think you're proposing an excellent design option. If this stretch of Lake Murray Blvd had a widened sidewalk with an incorporated bike path, there's still room for street parking, and a single lane in each direction, which would give everyone safe spaces.
I would have stopped, you are a better man than me.
I mean, I need to get to work. Also, I'm not sure what would be gained by having a confrontation in the middle of a road that already isn't safe for me.
do you think he was just making you alert of prescence like bus drivers in India do?
I doubt it. When there's plenty of room in a whole other lane, this isn't about simple communication. This person feels they shouldn't have to suffer the burden of looking over and changing lanes. That's a pretty difficult thing for some drivers to do.
Where i live we built a really nice expensive bike path that everyone likes however the hardcore cyclists refuse to use it and favor the road directly next to it instead. I never understood it. I ride my bike on it just fine.
The "hardcore cyclists" seem to get bent when other people gain access to the roads with bikes. I've heard too many guys (and it's just about always men) who see a family going to the park or a commuter as someone's who's "in their way." They're just drivers on bikes.
Well done mate. Around my area, Cranbourne Outer South Eastern Melbourne, Australia there is NO BIKE LANE ANYWHERE WHICH IS SAFE! Due to the distance between most conveniences EVERYBODY DRIVES. I've seen new urban developments popping up here with no footpaths connecting those new suburbs to the local shopping precinct. Familes need to drive to access basic nessesities. Even the public bus service around here is pathetic. Some buses only run one way in the afternoon, ONCE A DAY! Most people drive 'WANK UTES'....or utes which are never used for any type of trade. Many of them are driven by soccer mums who cannot even see over the dashboard. And tgese people speed everywhere! There's length of tarmac outside my property approx 400m long on which people regularly accelerate from a standing start to 20kms over the speed limit before requiring to slow down at the upcoming roundabout. It's the wild west(east) out here. Ride a bike? No way! Walk on ungraded un safe and boggy nature strips? Nup. I've watched motorists drive towards pedestrians around here to try and scare them. It's f√cking nightmare.
The longer I ride around, the less I blame some individual drivers, and the more I see it as systemic problems. People don't drive because they love driving. They drive because they feel it's the only safe option they have. If we placed more conveniences near where people live, and gave them safe sidewalks and bike paths and reliable transit, they'd drive less.
We are a society built on motor vehicles. Unfortunately the fact that you want to commute by bicycle IS an inconvenience to those who got stuff to do. There are almost never people walking the distances you're biking and riding on the sidewalk would be a safe alternative. Don't piss and moan because you want the same rights as a vehicle that weighs 3000 lbs and is significantly more powerful than your legs
Respectfully, @NFSCAMARO, society was stolen by motor vehicles, at least out here. These roads belonged to people on bikes and other transportation before cars came around. But that's okay. The challenge we're seeing in this video literally a 3-block stretch. The residents here would benefit from better infrastructure, within one mile of this spot. I'm not pissing and moaning. I'm riding. The driver seems to be the one who can't keep it contained.
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego because after the war America didn't invest in their transportation network the way other countries did. I'm not saying you're wrong for wanting to bicycle. You're just in the wrong place for it. California in general is a cesspool for drivers
I actually don't find it too bad for biking. The difficulties in driving is what got me to biking in the first place. Yes, American has invested much more in cars than in transit or bike lanes, and that's a series of mistakes that are becoming more and more evident these days. CA is actually ideal for a retro-retro-fit, since our weather is magnificent, and ebikes are solving the problems of hilly terrain. Driving here sucks. Turns out, biking can be much better!
Oh no, a three second inconvenience… how ever will drivers survive?
or drivers could just OBEY THE LAW by sharing the road.
I’m not sure I understand what he did wrong? He seemed to pass you in the passing lane and gave you a lot of space. Doesn’t seem like the person did anything different than if you were a car driving in that lane. Idk if you drive a car or have driven a car but this is going to happen to anyone that is going that slow regardless of vehicle. If you drive or ride at such a low speed people are going to be pissed at you. I imagine a car that is doing what you are doing will actually draw even more ire and probably a lot of expletives instead of just a horn. You also have to keep in mind that traveling so far under the speed limit like you are doing is also a great danger to everyone on the road just as traveling an absurd amount over the speed limit. W
Yes, if I were in a car going 15mph, a driver behind me would honk, but surely you and everyone else understand that that reaction would be because a car can go much faster. I'm on a bike going as fast as I can SPECIFICALLY in the space where I'm supposed to ride. Equating going 15mph on a bike and going that same speed in a car sounds like what we call "false equivocation." If you're trying to have this conversation in good faith, you can see the differences, right?
But if you're going to defend drivers having tantrums with their horn instead of just changing lanes and calmly passing, you're at the wrong channel. But thanks for watching.
Imagine a loader or a backhoe driving up that hill at 15mph in that lane. Nearly every driver would just switch lanes and pass, no issue.
Now imagine a horse-drawn carriage with two horses, climbing up that hill, doing about 15mph with people inside. Nearly every driver would just switch lanes and pass, no issue.
Now imagine a car with an ignition problem trying to get up that hill, doing 15mph with hazard lights on. Nearly every driver would just switch lanes and pass, no issue.
For some reason, a cyclist doing 15mph uphill in the right lane with well marked sharrows just pisses many motorists off, a lot more than any of the situations above. And people immediately blame the cyclist and say he shouldn't be there, or that he should go faster, or that he should just accept the abuse.
It's a road. It can be used in many different ways. Not only that, it's a surface street, so there are bound to be drivers entering and exiting, slowing down traffic all the time. A licensed driver made a pact with the state government that they would be careful and not be abusive to others on the road. The dude was out of line.
Do you honk at parked UPS trucks? At stopped buses?
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I’m stating that people are mad because you are going to slow. People that do this don’t particularly care that why you are going so slow, just that you are in the way. I don’t know if you are not from around here or what but people traveling that slow regardless of reason, outside of maybe an oversized truck are considered assholes here. It’s been that way all my life.
What you are doing by being so slow in a traffic lane is basically riding around giving people the finger. Personally, I just go around bikes when it is safe and don’t honk. I would just laugh it off even if someone was literally going 10 mph giving me the finger. You have to consider that a lot of people aren’t like that though and they see what you are doing in those terms. To them, what you are doing is interpreted the same way as if someone were rolling coal on you.
Right or wrong you can’t expect to act in a manor that is perceived in such a way and expect people to just treat you nicely. If you are antagonizing people like that it’s no surprise they don’t treat you well.
@@OnYourLeft nah, people definitely get pissed at backhoes or people having car issues if they are going slow. I’ve seen people honk or make angry gestures at people traveling slow for all sorts of different reasons.
When I was in the Navy in the early 80's I lived 3 miles off base and 3 miles from Oak Harbor with my bike being my only transportation. Whenever I rode I would always stay to the right of the lane as safely as possible. I rarely ever had anyone give me flack because I was being courteous to the cars around me. The problem I see with modern bike riders is they act entitled while taking the whole lane regardless of traffic conditions without regard for the cars they share the road with all I see is that they are only contributing to the hate that they receive. Courtesy goes both ways.
No one should ever ride in the door zone, because drivers can't be trusted. And why ride to the right when the lane is clearly marked as a shared lane? On this overbuilt road, there's a whole other lane for drivers to go around.
In this video we clearly see the rider doing the safe thing. Taking the lane to prevent close passes. The thing about drivers today is they think the road is only for them and they really have a Napoleon complex. In the USA, driver's licenses are too easy to get.
I dont get why you couldn’t move over where there are no parked cars when you can see traffic coming up behind you. It would be safer for everyone.
Where cars are parked it's obviously not possible. Entitled riding like this gives us bikers a bad name.
First, I'm not watching behind me when I ride. I have a small mirror on my sunglasses, but unless I'm changing lanes, there's no reason for me to be watching behind me. Second, it's not safer for me to weave in and out of a parking area. The only person who is making this not safe is the driver who refuses to use the space they have in the left lane. But thanks for watching!
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego no reason to be looking behind you? Really? Staying alive by being aware of your surroundings isn't a good enough reason?
Like I said, I have a mirror. And I'm clearly aware of my surroundings. I'm aware that there's a whole lane to the left of me, so drivers can use it without getting in my face. I can watch people come up behind me all day long, and not have to move because there's a whole other lane. Again: the driver is the problem here.
@RidingBikesinSanDiego the cemetery is full of bikers who had right of way.
That's a clever thing to print on a bumper sticker. Most of the arguments drivers are throwing around here boil down to "you should be scared of cars," just appeal to fear after appeal to fear, completely abdicating drivers' responsibilities. It's a bad argument.
Why not ask drivers to be just as aware and responsive as you're demanding a person on a bike be? (And I don't disagree with you that I should be looking around. I am.)
The cities giving a whole lane to bikes going 15 mph in a 40 mph zone are stupid. Get a new hobby everyone hates you, or ride at a park
Take it up in therapy, @awcm1507. You'd be a better person if you weren't driving a car. journals.scholarsportal.info/details/02724944/v91icomplete/nfp_ottcgiroiumb.xml
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego try that shit in st louis city you gone die lmao
The channel is called Riding Bikes in San Diego. Come visit sometime. Maybe it'll help you calm down.
Yes, having to slow down for five seconds to avoid killing someone is absolutely a valid reason to hate them. Speaking of hobbies, can you walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded? Most people that hate cyclists and runners using the road generally can’t which tends to be part of the actual reason for the jealousy, err, hate..
Stop acting like an entitled brat. Learn to be courteous and kind. You are supposed to SHARE THE ROAD.
You are not a car. The problem is people parking in the bike lane
This road where we are doesn't have a dedicated bike lane. Those cars are parked in space that's made for parking. From Marengo to El Paso, there's a gap in the bike lane, and people on bikes are to be where I'm riding.
I still don't understand why bikes aren't on the sidewalk. IF you come across a pedestrian, you slow down and handle it. Instead, you'd rather be in the road where you could get ran over...? So dumb.
I still don't understand why driver aren't changing lanes. IF you come across a person on a bike, you slow down and handle it. Instead, you'd rather be honking where you could get ran over...? So dumb.
They should be. The sidewalk is a much better place for bikes. I don’t understand why some bikers have some kind of fetish for riding in the road. To me, the solution is to not ticket people on bicycles for riding on the sidewalk.
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Nice try... Lol
All a non-issue if a non motorized vehicle wasn't where the motorized vehicles belong.
Bicycles are still considered pedestrian traffic... Pedestrians belong on the sidewalks.
Again, so dumb.
If you want to be in the road like a big boy, you should need to meet all of the same requirements of the road. This really isn't hard. Lol if I were on a bike, I wouldn't want to be in the road with thousands of pounds of killing machines zipping past me. 🤷♂️
Once again, the sidewalks are not designed for people to ride on, and they come with other risks and dangers. In some places, it's specifically not allowed. And this road literally has bikes painted in the lane I'm in. You're angry at the design, not me.
Oh, @briser12, with your big boy car. Is it really so hard to just change lanes? You're going on here about the requirements on the road. Whatever you think someone "should" do, this is how the road is designed. You and the other drivers might just have to deal with it...without violence.
what an inconvenience to be spatial aware of your surroundings, your on a bike anyway? are you in a rush or something? get a car then LMAO
I'm in a lane with bikes painted on it, where there are signs that say "Bike May Use Full Lane." But go off.