Living with 19,400 Vehicular Homeless people in California
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- It seems like we constantly hear that homelessness is on the rise. There is a new term for people like me who live in their vehicles. They call us "vehicular homeless"
I would argue that I'm not actually homeless. I have a home and I love living here. Do you think we are going to see a lot more people living in their vehicles?
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“There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.”
― John Adams 1826
Yes , modern times slavery is done through finances
Yes !! JD was a God Send, but these modern 'Debt Traps' are cunning and diabolical
Well, well, it’s sounds so familiar .
And this is one of the reasons why they do not teach history in high school anymore
I don't think John Adams actually said this but I still agree
I'm working two jobs to pay my rent & I'm tired paying 2k monthly for place that I hardly stay ..living in a car is make sense to me
Exactly! So many folks are right there with you.
Get a sprinter van or ram 🐏, now u can travel, live and enjoy freedom forever
Im about to buy a damn van!
Just move to other county where life is better
@@bobwreck3775I am on the hunt for a decent minivan .. going to serve my purpose for living .I will put a 16 inch high top from Fiberine on it.
For the lady struggling for food, there are so many free food boxes and food banks that you can get free food. Call your local representative and be nice because it’s an aid or intern. Tell them you are food insecure and need help with food and utilities. Be nice as they are just aids but will help you.
I agree!
In one of my Facebook groups I posted "If the bottom ever falls out, and if you had to choose, make sure your car note and insurance is paid". The flack I received was harsh and swift. I stand by what I said.
most folks can not mentally prepared to change their lifestyle
Your advice makes sense for any number of reasons. Good for you for holding your ground.
People who would get mad at that statement are truly ignorant.
There can be some medium point you could start downsizing and putting things in a climate controlled affordable storage facility.
I choose the one that has a unit with a 10 foot wide door and 5 feet deep because it is so easy to use.
And then from there I downsized to a 5 by 5 foot storage unit... With braces on either side of the unit and a plywood platform ($39 for the frame & plywood platform)created a 2 level storage space. Luckily in Minneapolis that size unit is only $12 a month. Most people like to think that the biggest deterrent to living in their Ford transit or a vehicle that's very easy to inconspicuously park.
is to downsize their stuff and get a very comfortable bed. I went to Original Mattress factory for $410.
I have a very comfortable pillow top mattress that is about 27 inches wide. I'm 5'4" so my bed is 64"long. A $600 pass through portable solar generator is enough for my fan. Pass through means it can be generating energy from the sun while I am using energy on my fan..etc. It is so cool It opens up like the suitcase exposing the solar panels.
Good advice. They'd be the people who will be forced to go to one of those fema camp "homeless shelters" where the criminals rule and reign.
"I didn't feel like a homeowner I felt like I was having a second job maintaining the property"
Right on, well said!
Ain’t it the truth!
You're right I have had my own house since I was 25
But it is a second job maintaining..
And you never own it. If you quit paying property taxes eventually you will be removed from the property. Smh
That would be like someone having a kid and saying I feel like I have a second job as a babysitter. Or someone getting a dog and saying “I feel like I have a second job as a dog walker.”
It’s called responsibility and that comes with work. Everything in life requires work. Everything. Even being homeless like he is requires him to drive around to eat, sleep and anything else he does. lol changed, tire changes, checking on other things in his car. All of this has to be done or he won’t even have a van to sleep in.
I can hear you...
Still, only after one realizes the "American dream", and finally has a property to his name, the other side of the story becomes more obvious. Speaking for myself, it was a rude awakening when I understood that there's no end in sight of endless streams of chores, obligations and payments...
I still owe my property tax of last November, and the county has been adding penalties and fines...
You are NOT homeless if you don't have a permanent fixed location to sleep in at night.
You are houseless.
Thank you, I agree
potato potatoe
Historically nomads and settlers have always been in conflict. Governments have also struggled with nomads because they can't exert control in the usual ways. I don't think that will change in the current broken system.
I agree, it always comes down to money and control. that will be the struggle until the end of time
Anytime you do things off-matrix you are viewed as a problem rather than a solution by the sheeple.
@@jashannon You're considered a problem by the current establishment elite, who then use propaganda to manipulate the sheeple into agreeing. Subtle difference, but an important distinction, IMHO. For clarity if for no other reason.
@@jashannon you nailed that! Sheeple don’t like to see others stepping outside the matrix
@@nomadbrad503 You have to glorify and romanticize this lifestyle to be able to cope sleeping in uncomfortable small quarters and poop in a bucket. So, we use language like "sheeple", and "off-matrix". But props to you for spending time with your dad, that is awesome and is undeniable advantage of the nomad.
Glad you made the vid.
The reason ca has that specific wording is because they want to TAX your HOME.
They aren't allowed to since you don't have a "fixed address" and therefore can't hit you with property tax.
Leaving CA has become high on my priority list...
I agree with you!
What state would be better than California?
@@skiesthelimit1336 I don’t remember the list, but Texas was on it as were three other states. Google best states for living off grid or homesteading. Those are the ones that are friendly to living unconventionally
Considering some of us pay almost 700$ annually on vehicle registration, consider that our "housing tax"
@@tacoponcho Right? No kidding... My truck registration was 790, RV was 310. DMV cleared me out for a solid 1100 lol (not to mention I own a house...)
The key for Nomad Brad is: He has a homebase. His parents. Even if he has siblings. Having a family support system is SO important in establishing this VanLife making VanLife less stressful. Makes me wonder why the Family is so ridiculed these days. God bless
family is so important
I’m 70 and doing well, I reckon I’d do vanlife if I were younger. Worth remembering that many people and families in houses are not happy, as the man says. I predict there will be millions doing this soon. I agree with everything he says.
I agree, there will be a flood of normal folks leaving traditional housing
Everything is more expensive under Bidenomics with rent's an mortgages an food going up
As someone who will never be able to afford a house, I would trade places with you in a heartbeat.
"The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider freeways , but narrower viewpoints. We spend more but have less, we buy more but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge but less judgment, more experts yet more problems, more medicine but less wellness." ~George Carlin
very wise words
Thanks for this post-miss George-he was brilliant IMO!
Thank you Lord Jesus for the gift of life and blessings to me and my family $14,120.47 weekly profit Our lord Jesus have lifted up my Life!!!🙏❤❤❤
I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??
Hello how do you make such monthly ?? I'm a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.
Isaiah 45:3 speaks of a transference of riches from the heathen to the righteous... I will give you the treasures of darkness and the riches hidden in secret... I receive this for my household in Jesus' name. Amen!
What a testimony!!! 🙏🙏🙏 I'm genuinely curious to know how you earn that much monthly
Well, the investment-advisor that guides me is..
I hope that laws are relaxed allowing areas for more people to park safely without the threat of being ticketed or fined.
I hope so to, the numbers are growing.
Me too! That part is extremely stressful!
the usual places are tightening up based on what I have seen out there. Rest areas limiting the time you are in the parking lot. The same goes with walmart parking lots etc.
@@macross5000 yes, they are trying to squeeze us, but we have huge numbers that are growing every day. I don't see how they can stop is
@@nomadbrad503 I think, you don`t understand how this works. The fact that van people are multiplying works against you, not the opposite way around. Soon there will be no free parking for you and you will be only allowed to stay in specially built and certified parking places, and the cost will be the same as living in a cheap apartment. This has been happening all the time - they will make you pay. For example when there where a very few cars out there, there was almost no rules, no restrictions, not taxes, no insurances, etc... But look how regulated (and some times over-regulated) car operation and ownership is now. No one is interested in you living for free, they will found a way to make you pay, and the more your community will grow, the sooner it will happen and this "van life tax" will be higher, and regulations/restrictions will be harsher.
Great video! Very well done. I’ve been living in a rig for 12 years and I really like it. I had a house in NY. $500/month or more in property tax. And, just like you, it felt like a second job maintaining it and the yard. Eventually I didn’t see the value in it. Now I restore historic buildings in Colorado in the summer and play guitar gigs, kiteboard, and rescue dogs in Southern Baja Mexico in the winter. The really unfortunate thing is that, not only is the government not making it easier for people to live in their vehicles, they are actually making it harder! I’m seeing more and more laws passed that make it illegal to sleep in a vehicle! In Clatsop County Oregon, a police chief told me that if you own an RV and it’s parked in your own driveway, it’s illegal for you to sleep in it. It really sucks that you’re made to feel like a criminal by choosing this way of life.
im happy to hear that you figured it out so long ago! the government wants everyone paying maximum rent and taxes which is why they despise anything that reduces those fees
They can pry my keys from my cold dead fingers.
Essentially, if they manage to pry them from my fingers and wrestle me into cuffs and jail me for insubordination of societal duties, I will still rebel and choose this life once again.
The Government is the extended arm of the Elite and thereby a tool for that elite to prevent people from being free. Since the Elite owns almost all assets in your country they strive to keep people dependent so they can continue capitalize on the mass of ordinary citizens. When the Government implements fines and fees on living in RVs making it difficult to be free they doing it on behalf of big real estate owners and landlords to keep up demand on rented housing and the idea of owning your own house which in turn also benefits the Banks and the Finance sector and its owners and executives since owning your house or appartment offen equals owing a lot of debt.
Imagine what would happen if for instance 20% of the American population lived in RVs. The value of real estate property would drop and so would the profitability of the housing sector. In addition the huge profits of the bakning sector would soar.
and that is because the reality is people just drop their busted RVs all over and live there ruining peoples property values and peaceful living. Seaside and other locations have a massive problem with random yahoos from out of state just plopping their shit buckets in the worst locations for everyone lese but great for their care free (bullshit) lifestyle. For every middle class person trying to be trendy there are hundreds who are addicted to drugs who sleep in high on opiates and and leave their surroundings in disgusting messes. We don't discuss illegal garbage dumping, human waste dumping, the huge mental health issue.
I don’t think it’s a choice for many, that’s only thing they can afford, and the fucking government still want to give your ticket for not being able to for life how fuck up is that?
The vid of you and your dad working together was really precious!!
thank you! it's during those moments when i realize that i made the right decision
Yup, dad has your back
I have been living out of my vehicle full time since 2020 and actually love it. We (Vanliferrs) actually consider ourselves “Unhoused”… not homeless.
I was born and raised in Los Angeles County and things just got EXTREMELY expensive so for me… something had to change. I refuse to spend what money I DO have, on rent or a high mortgage.
I already had a 2020 Chevrolet Silverado but purchased a Four Wheel Camper and made it my new home. My Hawk-style 4 Wheel Camper has absolutely EVERYTHING I need so I don’t miss paying crazy rent prices.
I am planning to buy my own land once money is saved up. Until then, I’ll continue working remote and using my VA Disability payments I receive every month. It’s not much… but it works out just fine for me.
im glad to hear that you have found a solution! keep saving and youll get that land soon enough
Same here👍👍
Los Angeles county too here. I'm 36, never married, homeless since the pandemic, and living in an old Toyota Sienna minivan now, despite working, and not addicted to drugs.
@@Network126 hey brother, I’m sorry to hear that… but I’m glad you’re doing okay. It sucks that so many of the American people have to resort to living like this because inflation is through the roof.
Try to stay positive and don’t ever lose sight of what it is you are looking forward to doing. Things don’t JUST happen… we MAKE them happen. I wish you the best out there and remember… you’re not alone in this.
Where do you park? I tried sleeping in my car, but it’s incredibly uncomfortable not knowing who is roaming out there at night. I would wake up with every little sound and nearly have a heart attack when I heard footsteps around my car. Not worth the stress.
Great video! Showing reality. I am at a rest stop right now, traveling through 10 states & there are approximately 20 different vans parked around me. Lol Pull in, sleep a few hours, go enjoy nature… repeat
yes! thats what i love this lifestyle...enjoy nature, sleep, repeat. you said it right!!
Speaking the truth.
Homeownership is connected to debt slavery. You are just taking care of that home for the banking cartel. Unless you own it outright. But you still have e to pay the taxes. You will never own it anyways.
How do you pay for everything? And how much do you make a month ?
I’ve got a camper van for fun trips, love it. If I was younger, I’d live the van lifestyle for sure.
im glad you're getting out!
We moved to the Philippines. We just use public transit. Life is good here.
im happy to hear this!
The lady who's taking care of her elderly father.She could apply to be his care giver.That would help requite a bit
For those of you who are single and have a college degree. If you have no criminal background I recommend you teach english overseas
That's going to help with student debt .
yes you can have decent life in PH with your pension, if you stay in US you will be homeless and its not even enough
I'm glad to hear the Philippines is working out well. I meet people from the Philippines who move to New Zealand, and I just don't understand it. Our cost of living is so high and our wages so low. They dream of a better life in NZ, only to realise they spent all that money moving here and life is worse. Plus it's so cold here that heating is another major expense people from the Philippines didn't factor in because they're used to a warm climate.
You know, honestly?I moved to taiwan twenty years ago.
For 300.
A month ago you could get a nice studio. It's a fully furnished studio.
I came back to the States like 10 months
I had to take care of a few things. I had to renew my passport and deal with my student loans.
I'm going back to Taiwan.
I graduated in 2003
I have only fifteen months to pay off twenty thousand u s dollars.
I'm hoping.
I'll be able to pay it off.
I never have credit cards. They're not necessary in taiwan.
I truly don't know how americans live, especially in blue states.
My suggestion is if you have a debt, try teaching overseas.
I love teaching. If I could keep up teaching America, vould get a teaching credential and a masters.I would do it
It's too expensive and I'd like to pay off my underground degree.
I'm so sorry.Americans are having such a hard time.
You know it's hard for people and I want to but They work together and help each other
They try really hard to only spend what they need.
This new #vanlife concept is quickly becoming a new way of life for several years to come and I have lived in apartments and homes for the past 50 years. I am on the verge of moving into a vehicle as a viable option as half of all of my income is going into my apartment.
i hear this story often. It will be nice for you to cut the cost of your monthly overhead 😎
I’m a landlord and my husband and I always say it’s sad that America doesn’t allow people to be poor or live humbly. I can’t legally provide affordable housing. We would love to buy affordable dilapidated land and put affordable, but modest tiny houses on it for those with income need, but that isn’t allowed in our Democrat run cities where they think they know better. They don’t. Democrats in Chicago for example have raised the cost of gas on everyone and this hurts the poor. The poor can’t afford to even pay someone to drive them to work as in paying for the same gallon of gas means multiple different taxes from state, to Federal, to the business taxes that pass down it’s buys and people need to realize that. It’s just ridiculous. It’s also ridiculous how much government help people need, because of how much government help people get (one in two children and one in four adults) drives up costs till everyone is equally poor with nothing that feels worth working for it’s as if this is dystopian communist novel. I’ve had increase rent on units by the hundreds and I am not making any more money. My husband and I live most humble in our unit that we couldn’t rent out for cash flow without an expensive remodel. But our taxes are up and city building keep getting lavish remodels and I do need my rental units nicer than my home or I can’t cash flow. 🤷🏽♀️ Irony is as the property owner I couldn’t afford to rent my own home and our family of six would barely be able to afford, renting one of our one-bedrooms and that’s what tax and government policy induced inflation has done. Those who should be upper middle class with their assets are actually just above the poverty line right now freaking out over 25% inflation to 100% inflation at the dollar tree right along side everyone else as food costs become a worry too and my only option is to make what I rent nicer so I can continue to cover costs.
@@SRose-vp6ew thank you for sharing your story. I’m happy that you have housing for your family. The government will have to address this issue at some point, there will be no one left to rent their high priced units
Consider yourself lucky that your rent only ate up half your income! My rent went from $1,185 per month to $1,800 per month within the last 3 years. I finally got out of it and am rooming with a family member for much less now thankfully. It's insanity out there to try and stay afloat.
@@IKARIANOFFICIAL yikes, I’m sorry to hear that but happy you found a solution 😎
Yeah I figured this out back in 2017, I've been living in a van ever since, and part of it started when I found Bob Wells
bob wells got me started too! I really appreciate all he has done for us nomads
I lived in 96 Dodge prime Time van for five years.
2017 I inherited enough money to pay cash for a house……. I purchased Travato 59K instead. 👍
(before they doubled in price!)
I'm 36, never married, homeless since the pandemic, and living in an old Toyota Sienna minivan now, despite working, and not addicted to drugs.
@@Network126I lived in a 2012 Toyota Sienna in OC for 7 years.
Was working full time a lot of that time.
Saved $$
Bought gold and silver.
Went to Asia on a lifetime adventure (2x’s) All because I would not pay 1200 plus a month for a shittiy apartment.
Lol
Living in the mountains of Arizona now- Cali is out to screw you asap.
@@Network126at least you’re trying and that’s all you can do.
It pains me to see people held hostage by a home they can hardly afford. I admire the people who have the courage to downsize - shed all the meaningless stuff - and live a happier, less stressful life. Kudos to them!
thats a good way to say it " held hostage by a home" downsizing and shedding the stuff can open you up to so much more happiness
What is so weird - is that this is a newer phenomenon. I am a grandma & I do not remember ever hearing or reading about anyone living in a vehicle. There probably were some - just wasn’t common. Hope it was due to there being lower rent places being available. We need to come together to stop the outrageous rates.
@@davisholman8149 it’s a combination of rising prices as well as current technology making it possible to live very comfortably in a vehicle. This would not have been the case 30 years ago
Being a nomad is not being homeless. Living in a vehicle and traveling or going from air b n b to air bn b and traveling is just having more temporary housing or mobile housing.
I’m going to live in an Rv most likely. RVs are usually viewed more positively than people living in vans. We need to change people’s thinking. There are so many different ways to live. Some people also live in boats etc.
exactly!
I view people living in vans more positively. An RV is huge and clunky and it's impossible to be stealth.
I lived on a boat for 12 years. I loved being on the water and cooler summer temps. Fewer and fewer marinas are excepting liveaboards, very hard to get in and they can ask you to leave without any real notice.
Great video. What do we do about people who park overnight in front of a home and dump their garbage on the lawn or curb when they leave in the morning? What do we do about older folks who are afraid of a stranger parked in front of their home and possibly watching so that they can break in? I want there to be good and safe places for van/car like folks to park, but that has to be paid for by someone. Should homeowners have to pay for it through their property taxes? One of the freedoms that car/van life provides is freedom from responsibility. But those responsibilities shouldn’t get transferred to others.
I agree with you. I never park in residential. Always business/commercial, I don’t feel right parked In Front of someone’s house
Been fulltime in my rig since '21. There is no reason a van person should park in a residential neighborhood. My opinion is it's just not cool to infringe on the paying homeowners and abuse their neighborhood.
@@richardstromboli8485 I agree with you!
We don't. We have too much respect and have been in their shoes. We park in 24 hr parking lots. We now see a lot of 1llegal 1immigrants living in their cars leaving trash everywhere. We pick it up for them because we know business owners will think it it's us when it's not. They put cardboard over their windows and play mariachi music full blast and I had to have a serious talk w them that they must be discreet and clean up but they don't. They don't care. We.keep to ourselves and don't bother anyone.
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Im 72 and have to work so my husband can e retired, sitting in a recliner watching t.v. realistically he would never live in a van, but if he passes before me, I will sell everything and travel in my twilight years. I want to enjoy life before i die
I sure hope that you get to travel!
Why wait?!? Buy your camper and hit the road!
Excellent video! Thank you. It’ll be three years this June for me. No regrets except that I wish I had done it sooner.
Congratulations on 3 years! thats the 1 thing I hear the most, people wish they started sooner. glad I caught on at a young age...but now kids in their 20's are catching on. makes me hopeful for the next generation
I live without internet expense. I use public wifi or no wifi. I drink the cheapest coffee you can buy from outlet store. I have prepaid cell with very little data. I feed myself very well on less than $10 a day. I buy clothes from thrift stores (and I dress well!). I have $$$$ left over at end of month. Make financial sacrifices. Go without things you think you need. Frugality is the way to go. By the way, I am in Oregon.
you're doing it right!
One little side benefit. Van people are generally more sociable you actually get to know your neighbours even if just for awhile until moving on. How many apartment dwellers, and home owners never know their neighbours.
Exactly! Most homeowners / apartment renters never talk to their neighbors
Brad, this is your best video so far, informative, articulate, concise, under 10 mins is perfect in my opinion!
Thank you for the feedback, I really appreciate it. I have been looking for the best video recipe
I watch the California laws towards RVs and van life now they're starting to put up no parking signs for vehicles over 7 feet high and over 20 feet long (obviously targeting van lifers) and that's in areas where they do allow parking many places new signs are up saying no parking and even no stopping
yes, I have seen these signs
Bay Area Ca uses the term unhoused instead of homeless, not that a different label has a different meaning unless you like it more. Props to you for living in a van, the technology makes is so attractive now. batteries, solar, plumbing and heating are so good now a van is a solid living space.
yes I agree, the technology is really what makes this life enjoyable. Youre not missing much as far as comfort and connection
Bay Area uses the term “unhoused“ for everybody who is on the street as well. Although I do agree that Vanlife folks are in a much different category, generally not consumed by vicious drug habits, mental health and erratic and aggressive behavior and violent.
Cali spend 600million to come up with that term- it didn’t change a thing. They are homeless.It doesn’t matter if they are strung out or just can’t afford rent- they are homeless.
Just because Cali changed the words- it doesn’t help the actual people. They just want their voters to believe they helped them..
Another example is the word immigrants.
Immigrants are people that come here though the US immigration service. They pay fees, they have to get a physical, they have to be vaccinated. They can’t be criminals-
Everyone else that comes here bypassing that process is
ILLEGAL ALIENS.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
BTW- this 10 million illegals put a huge pressure on rentals-
Especially in California- so expect rents to go up for the next 10 years at least.
Look around any town-city in California, do you see illegal immigrants on the streets? Not as many as you see white people. Point is - the middle class just got kicked into the street- section 8 for the illegals while everyone else needs to come up with $$ every 30 days
Ive been living in my vehicle working for years and i havnt been able to get out of the situation thru the trama that has been inflicted on me by ticketing and law enforcement. They dont care about the homeless. Everyone is a paycheck away from homelessness.
yes, even a lot of homeowners are 1 paycheck away from homelessness
I am living in my van for the past 10 years, I started living in a van because it was my only way to feel free and travel while not needing too much money to survive. Then Van Life somehow also became my job and I was able to monetize my lifestyle. I was thriving in 2019 but then the pandemic happened and ruined EVERYTHING. Politicians ruined everything and anything good that was going on in the USA. I don't feel free anymore, I make less money than ever and I keep getting tickets and harassed left and right by tweakers on the streets. The streets are full of drug addicts and homeless with mental problems, it's so sad to see this in the first world, it shows we are not even close to first world. Van life is not even safe for a single female anymore, not in Tweaker Ville aka the American dumps! The American dreams is now the American nightmare.
Ahh I’m sorry to hear this. I can imagine your experience is much different as a female. I agree with you, America is no longer first world. Many Latin American countries have higher quality of living with much less money required
I'm 36, never married, homeless since the pandemic, and living in an old Toyota Sienna minivan now, despite working, and not addicted to drugs.
What state are you in ?
Try a nicer part of town. Park in an apartment complex at night, and a gym or nice park during the day. 😊
Look online for parking space , some times people rent there gated space for $60/month at condo or apartment
I am just loving your channel Brad. I have been watching Van life videos since before the pandemic. You have quickly become one of my favorite channels after just finding you a few weeks ago. I am finally pulling the trigger and building my Van. I am recently divorced , we sold our house and split the profits. My kids are all grown and living their life so I am primed for Vanlife! I drove semi trucks for 12 years over the road so I am used to sleeping in a vehicle.
Im happy to hear this, you're in the perfect place to start your vanlife journey 😎
May you find your peace.
You’ll be more ready than most. I was Not ready 😂
I would never have guessed you're 38. I'm 39 almost 40 and seriously considering doing either a van or a trailer. My one bedroom apt is currently almost $1500/month. I can afford it no problem but it still kind of hurts to pay every month. I've always kind of bounced around from place to place in the past anyway so a van might be just what I need to get out of this funk I'm in.
I hear you brother. That monthly rent gets oppressive after a while, especially considering that you cant do much with a 1 bedroom other than cook, sleep, and watch tv. you can do all that in a van, and you get to travel to awesome places 😎
Do it....
Do it now while you can since everything is always skyrocketting! 👍
@@dolphinlover4864 absolutely! Do it now
For that much (per month) you can get a decent rig (depending on your credit,) by financing it.
After few years it’ll be all yours; unlike the apartment that’s rented.
Another words, it’s better to spend say same $1500/m for an RV of some sort (to be comfortable to live in,) than throwing it away on rent; money you’ll NEVER see again.
And if you can no longer afford to pay that rent, you’ll be out on the street with NOTHING.
Of course the cheaper way to go is to buy used van, then convert it yourself. While saving the rest of the hard earned money, for either a house one day, a piece of land somewhere, or just travel.
For and a half years ago, I separated from my wife and started living full time in my 2004 Toyota Highlander. I didn't know it at the time, but it turned out to be the Best thing I've ever done!
Funny how, sometimes, a nightmare can lead us to where our dreams come true!
I don't plan on ever living in a house again. My expenses are minimal and I'm debt free. I travel at will and although I don't own much, I Love everything I have and cherish every moment spent with family and friends.
I'm in control of my money and not the other way around...
for some people, including myself, vanlife was the best decision! congratulations
Where can a vanlifer park without getting ticketed or kicked out by the police?
As far as where to park...
We have to remember that "Stealth" is The Art of hiding in plain sight. That means we remain respectful and arrive Late and Leave early. We don't treat our sleeping place like a campground and unpack or cook outside. We keep our volume down and we keep our vehicles clean and free of anything that screams "HOMELESS" because we're not...
We're Houseless by choice. We Never leave a mess and we'll even pick other people's trash so that we leave the place better than when we arrived...
With these things in mind, you can park almost anywhere you choose because you won't be seen.
I often sleep in 24 hour gym parking lots. I'll look for mall or shopping parking lots across the street from apartment complexes because they often allow the tenants to park there due to the lack of parking at the complex.
What do you do for work? Happy that it’s been a blessing for you. it sounds really nice if you can hack it.
@@Thx392 For work, I deliver for the different food and grocery delivery companies. I also have some long time customers who still call me for home repairs. I'm a retired general contractor and I still do handyman repairs.
I make more than enough to live the lifestyle of my dreams and have a bit left over.
I own a farm in Tennessee and a beach house in Florida, I’m happiest traveling in my van every summer in Colorado, Utah, Oregon or California. I spent a month last summer on the coast of California and heading back again in June.
What a great comment, this says it all ❤️
I can't imagine owning two homes and being able to afford to travel extensively. I honestly don't understand how people manage it
@@Wendy-je6cz I was lucky and bought a rental house in Texas in 2006, I sold it in 2018 and used the proceeds to buy the farm in Tennessee cash, the carrying costs are only $1k a year. I just bought the house in Florida a year ago, it’s a 2/1 built in 57’. My mortgage is $1400 and I have a roommate that pays $750. So even with utilities it’s only $1k a month. When I travel I sleep in my minivan, I did 6 weeks out west last summer, and the whole trip was $3k. Gas is my biggest expense $1200-$1500. I stay for free, and cook my own foods for the most part, I don’t spend a lot of money eating out. This summer I’m doing Oregon and Washington for a month. I live a really comfortable life making $60k a year and only working 6-7 months out of the year. I keep my bills low and don’t buy unnecessary stuff, I’d rather use my money to travel.
@@jeremyking3986 Thank you for sharing your story, I admire your gumption and ingenuity!
I lived in my Honda Pilot from 2010-2022 and had a blast but I’m getting old now and went back to apartment living for 1 reason. Security. It’s just not as safe for seniors nowadays and that’s unfortunate but true.
I hear ya, so sad
Yes, and if you had a house for the last 12 years, it would’ve doubled. And then he wouldn’t be paying rent but have an asset. Hope you enjoy those 12 years living in a tin can
Good for you young man. I will never pay rent ever again and I am 62. I don’t know why I ever thought that I needed a foundation under my feet. Just make sure you budget a huge emergency fund. It will grow big over years if only used for real emergencies.
I agree with you! Big emergency fund is necessary ❤️
I am a CDL holder so you can get a job driving OTR. In return, you’ll get a free place to live and be able to see the country while getting paid
yes! trucking seems to pay well and offer that freedom
Great video! I've been watching the rise of homelessness in my community for the past few years. Nationally, I read and view reports on the rise and effects on families. I just mentioned in the comment section of a RV-lifer in Canada that many US cities and States are restricting living in vehicles. I see more signs for businesses in my town prohibiting overnight camping/ sleeping in vehicles. Until folks who live in their vehicles- cars, vans, RVs build a political constituency (lobby group) to push back, I see more restrictions coming. Let's face it. It's all about $$$ economics. And although car, van and RV-lifers don't pay property tax, they do contribute/ pay a host of other local, State & federal taxes-- gas, sales tax, income, vehicle registration, etc. They should have the right to be nomadic if they so choose.
I agree, they should have rights to be nomadic if the choose
I chocked up when you were with your dad. We own a home (simple and small) and live way below our means and are minimalist want-to-be 😂
This was a great video, forwarded to my daughter in law
Yes. Too many people just work their lives away while their parents grow older and their children grow up. One day they look around and everyone is gone.
a good portion of the public land that used to be free for camping has been shut down because of people living on it past the 14-day stay limit they would stay for months at a time and now no one can use it....didn't go to work or anything they just squatted on the land
I know, its terrible
Main stream media only reports the narrative of their owners. The reasons so many choose van/camper life is largely by choice, because it offers alternatives they prefer over those of a stationary residence.
You’re right about that!
Thank you for this video! Very insightful and eye opening to the lack of understanding many have about the benefits/reasons for vehicular living.
Glad it was helpful!
I’m currently living in my own home but spending my savings which will run out in a couple of years. So I’m concerned about becoming a van dweller as well. I know my kids want me to stay in this area because I still have my grandson that’s only 10 years old and we enjoy each other’s company a lot, but I will be forced out of my home. And I will be turning 72 in a couple of months. I worked all my life to try to make sure that my kids had a better life than I did as a child.
im so sorry to hear that you will be forced out. hopefully you are able to find a good solution. maybe your kids will have a space for you
@@nomadbrad503 thank you for your suggestion. I do have a brother who lives off grid in Arizona where I can stay. It means moving away from my kids and grandkids but if that’s what I have to do then most definitely will do.
@@maehay4065 off grid in Arizona is not a bad choice !
Find a way to share your house. Maybe a room for Air bnb
@@LilyGazou that’s a good suggestion
love seeing those old gas/diesel schoolbuses, can you imagine the stress of having an electric bus with absolutely no where to plug in, what a nightmare that would be
same here! fuel over electric
i think it is best to have many areas where vanlifers can rest overnight or have the option to do long-term parking with reasonable fee. The problem with free parking and the increasing of vanlifers could draw attention of criminals. Cars are not like houses. They can break in in the middle of the night or when you leave your car. It is really dangerous and my van had been broken in couples of time, and i have to say it is not good all at.
im sorry to hear that you had brake-ins. A safe parking space would be great
Im doing vanlife myself, i was going to get an rv but the condition wasnt solid enough to have my daughter in. I got a van to travel home instead of the Corolla i sold to buy the rv, and it been going great! Im actually documenting it on my channel. Much love man great video
I’m happy to hear that you have found a good home on wheels!
That location next to Mission Bay is nice; it’s essentially a resort. It has a free dump station. I could live there in my camper for sure.
you got that right💪🏼
People in Cali still vote for the same shit so happy camping .
Yup
I don't vote for communists here. But most do.
So, the people living off the freeway in Texas, in the bushes... who voted for them...Californians? Because Ive seen them, they have homeless there.
And Portland...did the californians vote for Oregons homeless, too? Last time inwas in Florida, where were homeless near the hotel... California again?
@@user-ii3vn8tn3q typical democrat in Cali.
@@AndyF.525 💋
Crooked rent is to blame !! Govr will find a way to either regulate or tax nomad living
I agree
I find it hard to believe there are under 20,000 people living in their cars or RVs in CA , I'd imagine it to be double that number... there's probably hundreds just living at the Slabs alone.
You’re correct. This was the number for LA county alone
You read the square footage of the apartment. You mean it is going for almost 2000 dollars now, and you were paying 900 in 2009 -- quite expensive for that time, too, I might add.
thanks for watching 😎
We are not "home owners." The homes own us. Between horrific mortgages, taxes, unimaginable insurance, home repairs, appliance replacements, painting, replacing/painting decks and areas of damage, roofing replacement and repair, windows, insulation, air conditioning and heating, etc. we end up working just to "own" this house. This doesn't include yard maintenance, pool maintenance, fireplace/chimney cleaning, oil heating repair, and the list goes on. And HOA? Yes, maybe that too. Then we have our cars.....oh, don't get me started. And for all this we get to work dawn 'till dusk on one job, while our husband/wife/roommate works another, and it takes every penny just to have enough for food each month.
So what are we doing? We are maintaining a white elephant that we only have a passing acquaintance with. We are never there, don't have family time, no one is home all day except the dog and cat, who are dying of loneliness. This is no life. We are slaves to these monsters. And even if the house is paid off, those other things don't go away. People who don't have mortgages are struggling too. Some aren't making it, forcing them to sell. Was that the plan all along by our governments?
Yes! I lived that life and completely agree. the home owns you
Yes. Agenda 21.
We’ve never been hassled at all over 2yrs of living in our van. Having said that, we’ve intentionally STAYED OUT of California. It’s unfortunately swirling down the bowl. 😂
Nice! I haven’t had any problems in California yet. Fingers crossed
Never been talked to in Ca. Obviously not going where the homeless are.
Property tax is generally used to pay for public services and maintenance. Do you feel that those in non-traditional housing should also be taxed twice a year as well or should only those in traditional housing shoulder these cost used by all?
im happy to financially support the community that im living in
No way. How about taxing the 1% that own over 80% of our stocks in the U.S, they paid on average 18% in taxes. They are the problem!
@@ALTHALLOFFICIAL everyone should pay the same flat tax. That would level the field
Won't mention the names of the CA state park campgrounds. Folks buy an annual day pass, hang out in day use during the day and then go park somewhere else at night. Mostly vans, class Bs, small TTs
great tip! ill look around 🧐
Led the VanLife in the early 80s and never considered myself homeless. It was a living choice like it is now even more so, for many.
I agree with you!
That Brew looked lit AF.
thank you! bought a cheap espresso machine and the brews are just as good as $6 coffee shop lattes 😎
Thank You for creating & sharing this video, @nomadbrad503 🕊 It’s insane, the damn rents are so high! We’re _ALL_ in extreme housing stress with no end in sight 😔
you're so welcome, I hope it wakes some people up to finding solutions
We need more places where people can legally park, we need help for people who can’t afford to fix their van or rv if poor, to get tires and repairs. We need infill parking for good quiet clean van lifers and rv ers. Cheap weekly, monthly and three months spaces. In fill lots, and more camp ground. Ban private equity and foreign national buyers buying up all our real estate.
I agree with you!
These are my thoughts exactly! This sounds like a win-win solution for everyone. There are plenty of empty parking lots that could be converted to livable spaces for vans and RVs.
I sold everything and bought and live in an rv and you know what? I love it!!!!!! Wish I'd done this along time ago!!!!
hell yes! im happy to hear this 😎
I work six days a week and make what used to be good money. Rents continue to skyrocket. I imagine I will be living out of my car. It’s unsafe and cruel.
I’m sorry to hear this. A lot of people are going the same right now.
Tiny houses on wheels are another big alternative as they can be designated as RV's. For anyone who has never heard of that check out the many tiny house channels on TH-cam. My favs are Living Big in a Tiny House and Tiny House Expedition.
tiny houses are a great alternative if you have somewhere to park it. and they're cheaper than some custom van builds
If you don’t have a way to bathe and use the bathroom in your rig, you ARE homeless. You just have a sleeping and eating site.
That’s my biggest criticism in van life. A gym being your primary source of waste disposal and grooming means you’re homeless
thanks for clearing it up 😎
@@nomadbrad503😂 awesome response
Long haul truckers sleep in their truck, eat, shower, etc at truck stops. What's the difference?
That I know of, there are no free gyms. So, folks that chose to shower and use the bathroom there are paying to do so. Hopefully , they can get in a workout at the same time. It's a win/win.
I think we need to come up with different terminology for those that chose to live alternatively.
And happy....doing exactly what we want...
Getting to know my neighbors has never interested me.
Hey Brad. Cool Documentary video. 🙌 I'm a van lifer too. Well full timer RV'er now. Not long moved back to California from the UK. Tons of van lifers there too. And mainland Europe. It's worldwide now. Been living the lifestyle since 2017. No regrets. Love it
Very cool! I’m glad you have found success doing it internationally as well 💪🏻
@@nomadbrad503 thanks Brad. Keep up the good work buddy
Everything you said it makes a lot of sense, and since we live in a big country these applications are very possible.
exactly!
My property tax and homeowners insurance nearly doubled in the last year plus auto insurance increased by 25% ,this is getting ridiculous!
yes, rising property tax an insurance are hurting all the homeowners
Nomads hundreds of years ago was the only way of life, today is done with convenient gadgets as: Smart phones, tablets portables stoves, and of course a mobile home! The best advantage mobil home vs one home in a building is you do not have to stay even when your neighbor is a problem.🎉
Absolutely!
Great video Brad 👍. Thanks 👍😊
Glad you enjoyed it 😎
👍 so sad - so many people lost their home . greetings from Shanghai ! 🌎
Hello, thanks for watching
Amazing Video ❤ From The Wise Nomad Brad. Love That You Broke Down The Housing Now A Days. Sadly When U Are Working You Don't Feel Like Ur Livin In The Land Of The Free. Glad To Have Freedom Back🤗. You, Ur Channel And Ur Community Is Growning. Keep Up The Amazing Content.🎉
thanks King! I appreciate you 😎
Nicely done Brad. If the news would just listen to these sorts of blogs they might understand how and why we do what we do. And then they need to watch the blogs of folks who are forced into this life because of things that have happened to them. Nice video......
thank you, I agree. the answers are right in front of them
I am lucky that I paid off my house when I did, but it is still hard my electric bill was 80 a month 16 years ago, just paid one for 349, gas is also crazy and I am old enough to remember when a phone bill was 18 bucks, just paid 180
yes, everything goes up even insurance and taxes. no one can escape it
Some people would look down on this but i see it as a very smart technique
I agree with you!
Great video! We are a family of three with a home on wheels and we camp as much as we can. I would love to live on the road, but homeschooling is not an option. 😊 When we retire, we will keep a home base and travel. I love seeing people get outdoors and away from the expensive housing. We own our home and have no debt, but we are about 7 years from full time retirement. Get out of the house and away from screens to see what nature has to offer, even if its only as a weekend warrior!!
Yes, get out into nature! im glad youre doing it 😁
Amen, great video, to the point and family and friends should be first in this crazy life, working till late Nov, Dec then heading to AZ cal for the winter, your vanlife nomad friend, hello from Eugene 😎
hey jeff! absolutely! family and friends first 🙏🏻
In 1987 I has been a luxury homeless in LA , was the way I feel it , now looks like the end of surviving poor people , some goes well some other looks like a nightmare
i agree there are 2 sides to to the story
I’m one them too. Although I might say that some really abused the privileges with garbage and not maintaining their area 😢
Did I mentioned the drinking and loudness? Really enjoy this freedom and peace, wishing a much longer time for this.
I agree with you, not everyone respects public spaces
Just wait, pretty soon it will be illegal to sleep in a vehicle anywhere. Already is in some places. Only exception will be some brand name motorhome and only if you're in a paid campsite. It really bugs the heck out of the PTB (powers that be) that anyone is living rent free and not contributing to property taxes in any way.
And unless something is done about the real estate industry (not likely as too many people making a killing off of a person's need for shelter) nothing's going to change.
I agree they don't want us living without extreme debt. But there are so many people living in vehicles. it will be interesting to see what plan they cook up. maybe theyll create a living in your vehicle tax 🤣
I remember when obama charged me $400/year for NOT having health insurance.
@@nomadbrad503 Now don't go giving them any ideas about a "living in your vehicle tax".
And don't get me started about getting penalized for choosing not to buy health insurance. Yikes.
@@dianabanana6724 haha im sure im not giving them any ideas. surely this is already on their " new taxes" bingo card
It already is illegal to sleep in your vehicle, but it’s not really enforced.
Its too bad that there are some bad apples living in their junk vehicles parked outside of homes and leaving trash all over. That ruins it for all.
I agree, everyone should avoid parking in residential
I enjoy living in a big beautiful home with a heated pool and a jacuzzi off the coast.
that sounds lovely
Me too! Life is good. 👌
Brother Brad, a very valuable video, did a really great job and a you are a really good guy. You are providing able service to people who look at inspiration, wisdom, positivity, transformation, and in many cases peace from choosing nomadic life. We did for 21 months in a choice San Diego area. For now, we are back in our house, but we spend lots of time in the camper and totally love it, prefer it, I need to be in the house quite a bit for the time being. So happy for you, eager to continue seeing your great work, and hopefully cross paths one day :)!!
I appreciate that! thank you so much
I think it depends what fits your lifestyle. It’s nice not to pay rent or mortgage but some people like a house or land for investment purposes. I agree with the traveling and go where you want when you want. I lived in my car for 2 1/2 years in the past and I loved it. The freedom of not being tied down is the best!
absolutely! nothing wrong with owning a home or land as long as it doesn't own you 🙏🏻
Seems like all the parking areas will eventually get filled up with vehicle dwellers
It might happen, people are realizing the housing scam
Driving home in traffic from work today on the 5 South got a glimpse of the box truck 😅
no way! I was at work too 😂 editing my next youtube video
Please Add an Atmospheric Water Generator and do a video on that. I want to see enough water being made from air to satisfy cooking, cleaning and a couple quick showers. The small units make about 8 to 10 liters per day which is more than sufficient. I think possible two additional 400 watt solar panels would be sufficient to power the unit. With water satisfied and energy needs satisfied, you are essentially free from the tap.
I love that idea!
I think "living in" and sleeping in would also be two different things. If you were living your life like most everyone. Working, using free wifi at library McDs, showering at the gym etc
.. then just sleeping in the van would be easier? The fact that even that situation gets people mad makes you wonder.
you're right. its more of a sleep situation. It is interesting to see how angry people get about this subject. I think its folks who are mad that you're not stuck in the same misery as them
@@nomadbrad503It's because we saw the writing on the wall that we pivoted before it damaged us It's like crabs in a barrel mentality
People are People. It's nobody's business but yours what you do; unless your harming someone else.
I agree with that!
Homedweller scum: "Looking at homeless people makes my eyes hurt."
It’s really hard when you’re a door dasher full time but you’re van breaks down and you can’t door dash to make your money to live on. My girl is broke down in her van in a parking lot and she can’t work, doesn’t have mechanical help. Oh boy. Very stressful. 😢
Yes, that’s very stressful. No matter what lifestyle you choose, gotta have an emergency fund. Everything is expensive
I spent about a dozen years living and working in a truck to rebuild from being broke (divorce) to being retired in the Philippines debt free (almost, just bought a used car with a 2 year 0% interest loan). I too lived the "American Dream" with the big house, big car payments, credit card bills and taxes when I was in tech for 25 years. I had all the comforts of home in the sleeper of a truck. I've also lived in the V berth of a sailboat, slide in truck shell and converted 6 x12 cargo trailer. Less stuff, more freedom..
im with you on that! " less stuff, more freedom"!
I do live in the Philippines 🌴 I worked in El Paso, Texas doing Lawn and Tree service. Lived in my work truck . That was 2015. I saved money, built a house on the west coast of Cebu. Never could have done it, if not for living in my truck.
Brad, following our ground-swell of national van dwellers, from the 'establishment' there will next emerge a more organized complaint (without analysis, without intent to understand and/or be factual), that we're not behaving as they need American society to perform. Complaining we park in their .... blah blah blah, where is our sewage going? we don't have jobs, don't pay the local property or income taxes in the municipalities to which we 'camp', We don't pay into social security. Realtors and landlords will of course pitch-in and side against us because we were their captured customer.
I really think we should ID a county somewhere in each State, buy a plot of land and hang the required shingles, build a community in each site with a charter to adhere to local laws and zoning. You'd be able to claim an address through our own municipality. Basically make a town and run our own city council ...> sanctuary for nomads. They buy a small % of our acre, sign the charter, then take of in their vehicles and see the country on our terms
I love this idea! lets do it 💪🏼
I’m ready for that.
I want land to have animals, grow some food, people can come and go as they heed to, elders who want to settle in can stay there, families can homeschool.
@@LilyGazou that sounds great!
Social security's paid in payroll taxes if you work and do van life you're paying social security
@@enhancedutility266 thanks for this point.
There is a Congress person essentially commenting, we are a negative demographic, a stereotype, reputation (among other complaints) of likely not contributing to our nation's Social Security pool, as we are thought to be mostly applied to contingent, part-time and/or self-employed jobs, where the employer does not need to deduct 6.2% SS from your payroll and in that case the employer also does not need to duplicate their 6.2% matching obligation.
But certainly not in my case where I have 52 years of contributing 6.2% and my employers matching another 6.2%.
So I understand the complaint that Nomads are a likely a reason SS faces collapse of the required money poo. But we definitely need to identify our leadership (U.S. Congress & State governances) for allowing employers (corporate organisms) to engineer the huge increase in jobs, 30 hours and over, where they can avoid paying, committing to their 6.2% obligation.
Many ways to address this neg. stereotype. I was thinking a Nomad collective might organize a monthly effort to contribute their capabilities; e.g., donate time/parts for a retired, handicapped 'Needy' to receive repairs, updates, safety of a suitable solar system on their rig. The Nomad Community contributes time/efforts, results = Goodwill. And society acknowledges our Nomads are a community plus, not deadbeats.
Just for comparison,...I live in Ohio, my current apartment , 950 square ft, 1 bedroom in 2011 was 550 /month.
Today, 675.00 I've been in driving related occupations my whole working life , I drove tractor trailers over the road and regional
for 26 years. I just really like the mobile lifestyle.....I'm now in the process of selling & donating personal possessions
and comparing Box trucks to Vans to decide on my next home. You do a great job Brad-casting from your Box Truck !! 😎✌
good stuff man...Keep on Truckin !!
Uhaul sells excess inventory...not used trucks.
Go to their website...search in your area first, then cast out from their.
Look for 4 star rated trucks. Whatever they are asking...offer 3/4 of that. Tell them your buying it for business equipment.
Their out of Phoenix AZ so talk to the corporate office about whatever inventory your interested in.
It's not like buying a used car...trust me
this is the truth!
I appreciate you! Hope to see you on the road
@@GBuds_RVremodel ...thanks for the tip on
talking to corporate & 75% offer...
not like buying a used car...👍
Brad I would do what you are doing if I wasn’t 67 years old and in better health. This country needs to get serious about affordable housing!! And some Tiny Homes are really expensive. I think RV living or Van Life is the way to go if you’re footloose and fancy free. Also cities should make places for Truck lives or RV’s a place to park so they won’t be out on the street. Just my thoughts!! Love your videos!!
At the beginning of your vid.i was about to give you blowback being a 7 yr full time vanlifer.
But. Watching the entire episode.
Good job.
thank you! im trying to show that we are regular people, not all trashy
I would HATE to live in a vehicle! I have to use the restroom and i need a kitchen and a garage. I need a new home, but I am blessed to have a humble abode.
blessed 🙏🏻
Great video, maybe you should send this to the news that says they don’t know why in increase of so-called homelessness has increased.
lol i know! honestly, i think they do know, the just dont want to address it.
Please be respectful of people that still live in a house and do not park/sleep/live in front of someone's home. Plenty of places to sleep if you are choosing this life. Residential neighborhoods should not be one of them.
I agree! No need to park in front of houses
@@Melody-pv4sg Just FYI. Plenty of pervs operate out of a vehicle, and if you think people are going to turn a blind eye to unknown vehicles on their street with their children going back and forth to school every day, your hold on reality is a little shaky. No one has a right to swing their fist past the point where someone's nose begins. Arrogance doesn't endear you to anyone -- so don't be.
@@Melody-pv4sg FYI- IT IS illegal to sleep in vehicles overnight in residential neighborhood! Look it up!
@@Melody-pv4sg in San Diego where I live in a house, it is. Always has been. Last night at 3:45 am an old loud motor home pulled in to bed down but not before revving the engine for about 10 minutes. One of 5 sleeper vehicles on the block today.
@@Melody-pv4sg fyi neither to YOU
My wife and I purchased our first home, almost 10 years ago, on a quiet street, about an hour south of Toronto, Ontario.
We have several older neighbors who cannot physically maintain their yards...so I help them. I does take up an hour here and an hour there through my week + my own yard...but that's what the neighborhood is about. Taking care of each other.
Bless you for helping the neighbors. Humans used to help each other, glad you’re keeping it going
Hello Brad,
Quick question: when you bought this box truck, was the original u-haul vinyl graphics still underneath the solid white vinyl coating?
Lol, on mine the original can be seen underneath rising up through and I ain't happy with it. Gonna rid the problem eventually, was just curious if your rig started out with the "retirement" garage just throwing a cover over it.
Yes, both of my uhaul trucks were like that. You don’t notice it as much now that I have the new wrap installed