Metabo HPT's New High-Torque Sleepers in 3/4" & 1/2"
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The new Metabo HPT WR36DGQ4 1/2" High Torque and WR36DFQ4 3/4" High Torque impact Wrenches take on M18 1/2" and 3/4" High Torques on today episode. Bringing some updated spicy specs, without much visual change so pay close attent to model numbers, these new intros aim to steal Milwaukee's Gen 3 2967 thunder before it even officially drops!
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Do you think M18 Gen 3 will beat these, everything on screen? We'll find out!
The creator of this channel works in product development for Astro tools. Always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
Can you guys test the Katana 1/2 gun?😂😂
sooo, when will you fellows be updating the TTC google sheet?
I will say whilst the claims may not match at present, this may be worth testing again in the near future, as Hikoki in Japan have also just release their 2nd gen batteries (BSL36A18X fo 2.5 AH; BSL36B18X for 4AH on 36v tools respectively). As this battery was supposed to be relseased (but for some reason has been delayed), this may have been tested with their new battery. Still, I love seeing them around and can't wait to see what more they have in store. Thanks!
@@RR-fi4oh It IS updated. Hit refresh or somethin
@@TorqueTestChannel sorry, I have tried following the link, refreshing the file, etc. None of the recent battery comparisons are showing for me.
Metabo HPT is the most underrated tool brand out there
Yup, this is why most of my power tools are now Hikoki
Man I’d agree they are some of the best tools out there durable as hell but the disjointed relationship between hikoki and mhpt is an annoying inconvenience because you never know when or even if they are going to release a specific tool say the barrel grip for instance or the new “high torque hammer drill dv36dc which is phenomenal or the wr36dh new compact impact wrench or the new vacuum and those are just recently released tools w haven’t seen a word of and even employees at mhpt haven’t heard of a lot of the hikoki releases which is nuts to me but I do really love some of their tools
They are really comfortable in your hand too… also hitachi always made the best chop saws for years
If only they called it Hikoki here in the US. Reusing the Metabo name is just dumb.
@@pleappleappleap agreed because there is already a highly regarded metabo company
Bonus weekly video yeah!
"But I do speak torque" 😄 Me too! Another great video. Thank you!
Metabo is surely stepping up their game. Thank you for your time and review Friend!
It's not a Metabo (German brand), but a Japanese Metabo HPT (a.k.a. HiKOKI outside North America and formerly Hitachi Koki). Although Metabo is now owned by HiKOKI/Metabo HPT. But they are entirely different brands with differeret tools, battery platforms and different colors.
@@ITubeTooInc not confusing at all! :D
In UK in 90' s, was given a worn out metabo 240v, 4.5 inch angle grinder. Still best I've Eva had ..👍 used daily😊
I wish they would go back to naming their tools Hitachi instead of confusing people with Hikoki/Metabo HPT depending on where you are from.
EDIT: I guess they were so excited with the purchase of Metabo they wanted to advertise the Metabo name in all the tools and just suffix it with HPT so you know its "Hitachi Power Tools"
@@user-lp7dd7dz9mthey can’t use the hitachi name anymore, hitachi doesn’t own the company anymore
Hitachi Koki (Hikoki), Metabo HPT (Hitachi Power Tools).
Not confusing at all. Haha. But I did read that they could no longer use the name Hitachi for licensing reasons when they were purchased along with Metabo. So that's the reason for the alphabet soup. I think they could have just used Hikoki globally but they wanted to exploit the brand recognition of Metabo.
I’m confused though because like he said the Hikoki version of the WR36DF is listed at 2100 nm on their website and Amazon Japan
But the Metabo HPT variant of the same model (WR36DF) is at 2400nm, so the American version has 300 more nm even though it’s the same model?
When they were doing the name change
"Hikoki" didn't test well in US so they got scared and went with Metabo HPT
They should have just went with Hikoki across the board
Still love the tools though-i dont care what they call it
I just want great tools at a great price, warranty etc
It would be interesting to take some of these impacts that have a high wrist break score and fixture them in place to see just how much power is lost through the plastic to meat interface.
I have that 3/4 drive Metabo . It is a beast but you have to be careful . My helper ruined a steel 10" flange ring and butterfly valve with it . I dont think most people realize what 900 ft-lb really is .
Hitachi always made great tools back in the day and usually at a reasonable price point... They introduced the sliding miter saw in the US back in the 90's...
Metabo was a premier German tool company specializing in drills back in the day also...90's
Great video 👍
Metabo HPT doesn't have much to do with Metabo. Metabo HPT = Hitach, Japanese. Metabo = Metabo, German. They have the same parent company, but they aren't remotely compatible.
And reusing that well-known name was just DUMB.
@@pleappleappleapi agree it was dumb but as a mhpt fan that’s not exactly true, if you look at a lot of their mhpt hikoki offerings vs metabo Germany there are uncanny similarities such as the hikoki tracksaw, they are practically the same so is the vacuum from each as well as some of the lights radios and impact wrenches and even the batteries using the same parts bins and some are nearly identical
@Jeff-rk8hq alot of the tools are just reshelled from metabo offerings, snapon do this aswell, the brushed 1 handed reciprocating saw is used by all 3(4) brands, even as far as the snapon unit having metabo printed on the motor 😂
I've had the gen1 3/4 and it has broken loose everything i have thrown at it in then last year!
It's probably best to go with the 3/4" and get the 1/2" adapter.
Been waiting for you to do the Metabo 3/4 inch stuff. I have a 1st gen I use at work that I love!
Certainly impressive numbers. Cant wait to see the MILWAUKEE 2967-20 VS DEWALT DCF961 battle!
Thank you for keeping us updated on all the cool new stuff!
Thank you guys for all your hard work. I really enjoy your videos.
After seeing shop tool reviews I’m so patiently waiting for you to get your hands on the 2967
Just a little of my experience. The snapon 9080 will hit harder in the real world and remove stubborn fasteners. But, I've broken the insides of the 9080 twice within a month, can't hold itself together. I bought a dcf 900 as a backup, and on the board, it's powerful but not as much in the real world, comparable to milwaukee. And yes I've owned milwaukee. I haven't found the ultimate cordless tools yet. I've had more luck with air tools over the years. Heavy equipment tech. I have actually liked the snapon 14.4 line, though.
The DeWALT is a weird one, sometimes it absolutely eats, other times it just shakes about
You're just a little Snap-on boy
2 video weeks are awesome
Your channel is very addicting, I really enjoy your content. Thanks!
Milwaukee is falling behind pretty badly the last couple of years - even when they come out with their next-gen, it's behind out of the gate. Seems like they've turned their backs on automotive related tools and have been putting more time/energy into other sectors, like lawn care. I'll have to start contemplating switching platforms.
I mean, the mid torques are still pretty spicy. And what kinds of situations do you run into where the existing tools don't get the job done but a more powerful tool would?
I agree l, I have Milwaukee and their tools are falling behind, but they still get the job done. Up until a couple months ago(started welding) I used DeWalt tools at work and they were good, but they didn't last at all. At one point we broke 2 DeWalt mid torque XR impact wrenches in a week, we were literally breaking them faster than we could get them, and we usually kept extras on the shelf to grab when one breaks. The DeWalt batteries seem to hold up better in the long run, but dang, we literally have 3 totes that are labeled DeWalt warranty returns. Thank goodness the company bought the tools for us lol.
@@omaristephens2143 I have the stubby, mid, and high torque. Last weekend, I did the front brakes on my wife's Prius. The mid could not take the caliper bracket bolts out. A friend had my high, so I used a breaker bar. It was last torqued to 107 ft lbs, albeit about 3 years ago (Prius hardly uses the fronts). Pretty sure, based on the reading on TTC, the DCF891 would have had no problem for a mid.
The main issue, for me, with switching is that I'm so entrenched in M18 (as far as total tools). I might pick up the DCF (with battery/charger) when it goes on sale, and SLOWLY migrate (or the DCF might end up being my only Dewalt).
@@wty1313 Are you somewhere with salt/rust? I'm in California, and my mid-torques (Gen 1 and Gen 3) will both remove a staked axle nut, no problem. I definitely realize my situation isn't representative, though.
@@omaristephens2143 New Hampshire
I have got the german metabo high torque the ssw 1750 that thing is the most powerful thing i have used yet. Would appreciate it to see you testing it and it will not disappoint
Yesssss
Have you tested it with the ac adapter they make to see if it's any better than on battery power?
I hate the fact that more honest tool companies are being forced to fudge numbers just to look on par with other offerings...
This is a trend we're starting to see and we hate it too, but also understand it
@TorqueTestChannel oh yeah I understand it too. Eventually we will see impacts rated for 2k+ but not break 1000.
I really appreciate your channel doing this work for us. Consumer reports back in the day was the only way to see if products were worth it and frankly, the cost of that subscription wasn't really worth it. Thank you for doing your part to keep the public informed!
These guys help big time with the "proper assesment and allocation" of my limited resources 😂
It will be interesting when the new DEWALT XR DCF 961 comes out see what it does Especially when they make it in 3/4 and I want Milwaukee M18 Fuel 2967 made into 3/4 too
If they’d given an accurate torque claim they would have beaten Makita on your list. I guess Makita could do that too!
A bonus video?!? Merika, fuck yeah! And I'm not even Merikan 😂😂😂
There are very few applications where forward torque is important. Most fasteners that would require a lot of forward torque would require an accurate torque specification.
True, there are some applications that benefit from that though, like drilling. Which is what the Milwaukee, Klein (DeWalt) and Makita 7/16 impact wrenches are made for, which is great except for the specialty trades tool tax they slap on to make say the Milwaukee a worse deal than buying the Metabo and 7/16 hex-1/2 square adapters. But I digress
thanks man for these tests so much
"I do speak torque..." Well played sir!
When do you think new Milwaukee vs Dewalt Dcf961 is going to happen? I think many people are really looking forward to that. Also, i know it has been suggested before, but if tested for decibel level on the impacts, more so air impacts, that would be great for comparisons. Thinking about the Astro 1894 G2, but seems loud in specs. The Aircat 1125 impact looks like a great newer tool, supposed to be 3.8ish pounds, would love to see you test one. Maybe the aircat airhammers, and high torque long handle air ratchets too.
I wish they were called hikoki here as well.
Very interesting test! Thanks!
I wonder if there is a way you guys could start doing long term tests to try and get a better idea of how these tools hold up with time.
We do use these things, but eventually it's like everyone we work with and know has high torques and we can't all use them all enough to break them. We've even tried sending out 6 to people who use them everyday with a prize for the 1st 2 people who break them with no feedback in a year lol
@@TorqueTestChannel I’ll test out the 1/2 metabo and give feedback 😉 lol. been using their mid torque 36v for a while now. Only high torque I have is Astro gen 1 and considering the gen 2. Love the videos! Looking forward to more.
@@TorqueTestChannelWow! That's really cool of you guys. Is it still available to the participants? Like is it still ongoing?
i use these all the time at work. the 1/2 in likes to snap the square, and one of the 3/4 stopped working
@@TorqueTestChannelthat’s an awesome incentive lol at my job our 3/4 DeWalt 899s never last us longer than 3 months! We had one last us a week!
Maybe a fair bit of marketing going on, but both churn out decent lb/ft or Nm torque. 'Giving it the beans' trade mark TTTC !
Pulled the engine & gearbox out as one unit on the worlds filthiest LR Discovery yesterday, in the pouring rain, outdoors, in a big hurry. Had my Dewalt 1/2" along for the ride. Without it, no way was that task getting done. A real good impact is not a luxury, it's essential. These Metabo's look like contenders.
Yeah, lags do get chewed up if you reef on them too much and also another concern is self tapping concrete screws. Those things run a fine line between just right and stripped out.
If you read the manual/marketing, the 36v tools are built with a 1400w motor, the 2.5/5ah batteries will only run the tool at 1100watts, the larger 4/8ah batteries allow you to run the tool at the full 1400watt. My understanding is that they throttle the tool to save the smaller batteries because the 18650 cells cant sustain the discharge rate. Ill back this up from my own personal experience, been running the same batteries for the last 5 years in a fairly severe environment and haven't had a 5ah battery go bad yet.
Always good stuff... thanks
Sounds like a steal. Can you do a heat stress test, like run 4-5 batteries with high capacity through it and see if it catches fire or shuts down safely?
Very informative!
Can you swap the anvils over and see if it makes a difference? would be super interesting!
Hyper tough just came out with a 12v 3/8 impact wrench. I’d love to see it tested and also their 3/8 Rachet. I’ve seen good performance from the Rachet from other testers and the brushless 1/4 impact is also not terrible. Could be a good solution for weekend warriors or light duty workers like me.
Would love to see a test on whether using a gloved hand to apply tension to the socket makes any difference. I do it all the time thinking it makes a difference, it certainly makes the impact easier to hold when doing stuff up to "FT" levels of torque. I know about the safety aspect of sockets exploding, 95% of the bolts I do are M24 and go though about 4 sockets a year, they all split over time. If anyone can recommend a make that will last the power of a makita 3/4 xgt, not snap on, never seen a van and not going to track one down for one socket
Great Work TTC!!! Bringing us what others won’t. Shake it up!! How do I go about sending you my Flex 5” Angle Grinder for ranking? It would be an HONOR!
We've bought one. Just haven't bought a bunch more yet
@@TorqueTestChannel Awesome! Thanks and can’t wait!!
metabo hpt has the ace up its sleve though of the ac adapter so if you are doing alot of lags on a jobsite that you have an outlet you can go basicallly non stop
Finally a release!
I don't remember ever having any German/Japanese tool brands that disappoints... Too bad they are not in more stores.
Who did your intro graphic sequence? I dig it.
Can you do more teardowns of the impacts you test?
Doing a tear down on next weeks tool & vid!
@@TorqueTestChannel great
Oh, neat. Didn't realize Metabo offers wine vouchers with their tools
Paws off, it's my free ($180 shipped) wine!
@@TorqueTestChannel If you get enough free (shipping charge) wine vouchers, you should really do a wine showdown
@TekDrgn bruh you don't even know! We got a spreadsheet for wine too
Tannin Test Channel
Just watched a couple videos on the new skill 20 v mid ... super impressive for price point especially
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I really want to see another IR 1" video. Perhaps an extented torque test? Like 20 or more seconds to see if it actually can reach the advertised torque nunbers? Maybe torque a large bolt to the 3000ft/lbs and see if it can remove it?
What ever happened to that Dewalt impact wrench that you got right after the dcf900 came out?
I can't wait until ITT releases a Hart 40v impact that can use the battery from my 40v string trimmer.
I would love to see you test Mag Drills! both corded , evolution, fein, milwaukee and cordless Fein, milwaukee dewalt
I really want to see a test of the Central Pneumatic 62355, 62396 1 inch impact. I have one and I'm pretty impressed with it. I bought it to see if it would remove the monster piston retaining nuts on some hydraulic cylinders I'm working on. I had tried previously with a 4 ft cheater bar on a 3/4 inch drive breaker bar and I couldn't get the thing to stay put. It started to rip the vice bolts through my work bench so I stopped. I broke one of those breaker bars previously in the 1200 ft-lb area so I know I wasn't quite putting that through the nut (breaker bar didn't break, the vice did), but it can't be too far off of a thousand that I was applying to it. This impact got it off there instantaneously, and that's through 1/4" fittings on 3/8" hose.
Awe no gen 3 Milwaukee half inch! I was hoping you had it in this video!!
Not to mention the no fuss Lifetime Warranty! I'll be hunting down some deals on these soon.
And IP56 rating!
A word of advice to ya tho to avoid annoying warranty claim situations would be to be careful assuming that all cordless mhpt tools have the lifetime lithium ion tool warranty because i assumed that and I confirmed this with a rep and sadly their grinders only gave a one yr warranty even the new dv3615dvf 6” beast so that’s definitely a con in my book. Don’t get me wrong I really love mhpt but their marketing and corporate structure being so disjointed and such a huge disconnect from country to country, varying with each arm of the brand
@@Jeff-rk8hq yeah I noticed it doesn't apply to ALL the tools just the ones marked on the box. Batteries are usually 2 years which isn't bad.
Just in from dewalt. That giant high torque that gets that turbo kick after 4 seconds is confirmed. It was real all along.
Hyper tough has an impact wrench is it any good ?
those 10s li-ion systems are really bringing a lot of sauce.
Can you test manual impact drivers? thx
Have you heard about AMPShare Powered by Bosch batteries. A battery standard that fits multiple brands. It might be interesting to hear about that in a future video.
3:45 WTF, did the they put a rafter hook big enough to hold a 2x4 on this tool?!? What is their intended market for this, auto mechanics or framers driving in lag screws?
Yes, it's a 2x4 hook - they even put it on their smaller impacts. It looks stupid. People do use them for large concrete footers and such, but nothing up in the rafters that i can think of, though that's not my arena
I’m surprised you guys didn’t get the new Milwaukee impact just released 🧐. Hope Milwaukee send you one to start testing it 🤙
We don't accept tools from brands is all
There's a new one? Good, I was thinking Milwaukee was getting lazy letting everyone beat them
you should test tools with different batteries of the same type because of different grade of hardware in the battery
I kinda like the rubber nose cone protection
What are these tool used for in day to day life?
Test some rigid stuff is there a big difference across the tti line up
I want to se the insides of the Ingersoll Rrand 1" and Rambo Millwaukee 1"
You should do a how to video on how to make that makita battery you built recently
We mostly go over everything here: th-cam.com/video/ECMC9cauiSY/w-d-xo.html
if you are not 100% confident around batteries you shouldn't do it, for your own safety. you could easily burn your house down for eg
Tell us more about the $100 wine voucher!!!
Ive never seen somthing battery powered that can bust such a big nut!
Nice video💥 Dewalt is the new king of this era
These companies need to be held accountable for their fake claims.
Padu sobat🎉🎉
what happened to the Hercules ultra torques?
Every morning I check for the new milwaukee high torque
Makita released their new high output batteries, would be interesting to test.
Didn't release 'em here yet though
@@TorqueTestChannel 👍
Hi, I don't know if this is possible for you but if you can get your hands on some Lidl Parkside tools, especially the impact wrenches, I would be super interested to see on how they compare to the more Popular brands. They are a budget tool brand here in Europe and they have some great deals in my opinion.
We've looked into it and and even ordered, then they cancel our order because it includes batteries and they cant ship by plane.
@@TorqueTestChannel Damn, that's a shame. I appreciate the effort you put into making these videos and making the process of choosing tools much easier for us. Keep up the great work!
I just bought the red boy high torque, first non air high torque I've owned, and I'm shocked at the desire to jump off bolts this thing has.. works great though. broke my 24mm impact socket I've been beating with my earthquake 1/2" air for 20 years.
Have you tested an of the Earthquake impacts? I've seen them at Harbor Freight.
Yeah, their 3 different air models and cordless 1/2".
Can you get your hands on the German Metabo High Torque in 1/2" and 3/4" ? I`m really interested how they compare.
You should get an adapter made for XGT 40v batteries to see how much torque the extra voltage adds.
You should do a video on seesii's cordless wrench
We've done 4 :p will buy more tho
@@TorqueTestChannel looks like they are sold out. I can send you mine to test if you would like.
Do you know if dewalt is going to make a 3/4 dcf961?
Yes. Next year
@@TorqueTestChannel I'll be saving up for that bad boy 👍
says lifetime warranty i wonder how hard it would be to warranty the tool
Dont forget metabo is part of the CAS (its a program for cross compatible batteries with over 30 brands participating)
This channel rules
I would really like to see how the compact impacts from Seesii would do on the dyno. Also maybe the drills from Ikea just to see if theyre better than a Black&Decker 😂
This just proves how much the Makita XGT is of a beast!! That impact hit 1,000 Ft/Lbs 2 YEARS AGO!! I want one… 😂
I thought the same thing when I heard how old the model was. Impressive indeed.
Heavy machinery tire removal? Is that what you need those mega numbers for?
A 150 ft-lbs spec bolt that's seen road salt for 10 years an now is 11ty tight and you can only access with an extension and swivel that reduces your torque by 70% takes ALL OF IT
@@TorqueTestChannel Thanks for the reply and videos.
Awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😊
Thanks for looking into my comment
I'd like to see you test the Seesii 3/4" I saw on amazon....see what i did there.
Nice video, Im team green!
I really like my Metabo-HPT tools, but I wish they'd just gone with the HiKOKI name in the U.S. It's confusing and strange and maybe we'd get the new tools faster if they didn't have to go through rebranding first. I'd be okay if Koki Holdings just changed the name in the U.S. One more example of the marketing department making a mess of things.
In Europe Hikoki advertises the 3/4" with 1900/2400 nm, 1/2" with 1400/2000 nm so exactly the same as Metabo HPT. Kinda weird, Hikoki isnt known for a lot of marketing wank really.
Could you do some low torque rankings? Looking for some cheaper options and am wondering if anything stands out.
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Dcf961 coming soon?
Hercules Ultra Torque is now 189.99 and I finally got it for 152 after coupon with a recent coupon. Just a heads up since I noticed the spreadsheet. Also, was it ever tested with the 12AH battery?
I have the Ultra Torque and 2 12AH batteries(good sales). While I haven't used them extensively yet, I know the Ultra has tested EXTREMELY well on this channel. It was tested up to 2kft-lbs breakaway. Of course, this was well above what stats for it state, but it is an absolute beast in the real world. My Earthquake XT 3/4 impact, is still bringing the beans as well. The Herc 1/4th impact with the 12 ah is.. Crazy strong.. and heavy. I'd recommend the 8 ah, but the sales have been too good on the 12.
There is also a 3/4 Herc Ultra in the pipeline. Eta unsure.