I used to live on a street in San Diego that had about 10 bars within 3 blocks . There was a mix of surfers, bikers and Navy guys . Almost every one on one fight turned into a brawl, and when 2 guys went to the ground somebody else started kicking one of them in the head . For self defense you want to use your grappling to NOT go down and if you do , to get back up asap. Any take downs would ideally be from positions outside the elbows or knees so they can't pull you down with them. I assume everybody has a knife , because I do too. When I teach classes I have all my students wear training knives and to pull them out during drills and grappling . It changes things big time . I agree there is great value in knowing some JJ for the exact reason you state and the real reason it was invented . For when you FIND yourself on the ground . Martial artist often fall into the trap of training to fight other trained fighters when thats HIGHLY unlikely . They forget to train against somebody flailing wildly as hard as they can and crashing into you . We put out plastic patio furniture ,cardboard boxes , plastic bottles and folded up mats to trip over and wear our street clothes . You move totally different in a pair of steel toed work boots and a Carhart jacket !
@@BradYaeger exactly my point for boxing if you can understand spacing and have fast hands and good cardio with an understanding of wrestling to at least be able to stay upright when grabbed, that to me is ideal for real life scenarios.
@@tyleredwards9382 Agreed . And a point almost every seasoned bouncer will tell you too. I mean what art has dedicated more real world , full contact time to the science of knocking people out ?
I started Jiu Jitsu seven years ago, not too much time had passed from when I began that I realized that the Gi wasn’t for me, stayed doing NoGi and almost always started from standing, plenty of takedown work. Twice a week I train grappling, and once a week MMA. I don’t care about the Gi, the belts or what people think. And I agree, grappling is plan B. Striking comes first.
That's so true about how jitz competitions are called "fights". I went to a few jitz tournaments back in the day and won with a heavy wrestling background and a handful of submissions after a couple years of training. The craziest part was how even the high level jitz guys who were non-wrestlers viewed the competition as a fight, whereas the wrestlers viewed it as just another weekend in a gym covered in wrestling mats, and if these matches are considered fights, then most wrestlers have about 1000 "fights" by the time they are in their 20's and any one purple belt and below perhaps seven brown belts will have a really hard time in a no-gi match if they're a non-wrestler.
@@thewildworldofneonthomas5152 ya man the toughness you get from wrestling is unrivaled. I don't consider anything that doesn't involve acute impact and knockouts as an integral part of the match a fight but man when I was in the cage I hated fighting and training with wrestlers the most. Zero quit and crazy tough. There's a reason why if you're an NCAA guy you can't enter a white belt BJJ tournament even if you've never stepped into a jitz school
@tyleredwards9382 that's 💯 true...I tell the kids on my wrestling team that the most beneficial aspect of wrestling is the way that it takes away the ability to quit, it removes it from your character. I agree with you about fighting wrestlers, even as one I preferred to fight non wrestlers in the cage. We had a solid group of wrestlers fairly fresh outta college and we transitioned to no-gi grappling and weren't allowed to compete in white belt divisions, but even if they had allowed it ,I don't think any of us would have done so based on pride. But this was back in 03'-08' so it was still easy to go win open tournaments with wrestling and a few submissions. I think it'd be hard to do so with the amount of high level grapples nowadays.
@thewildworldofneonthomas5152 nah bro NCAA level guys still aren't allowed to compete with white belts you gotta go blue and up which is kinda crazy to me. But even still my money is on the wrestler until you get to a good purple belt level or a guy that also has a wrestling background. The lame thing is a lot of rule sets are calling things like last drops slams and trying to get rid of that but ya man to me every 1 year of well coached wrestling is like 2 years of well coached BJJ for grappling purposes
@tyleredwards9382 that's what I'm saying about not being able to compete in white belt divisions, it wouldn't be fair to do so, and I don't think it's fair even in blue belt nogi. At least it wasn't close to 20yrs ago, and I'm just assuming that the lower belts and the sport in general, has improved and grown to a point that a wrestler can enter opens and win them with wrestling alone.
Boxing is a huge advantage because most people can't even use their legs to strike effectively, add some takedown defense and you probably have more confidence than 90% people in the world. The thing that I don't like/enjoy BJJ and wrestling is the posture, I prefer Judo, also takedowns without going down to the ground is really important to me.
@@JohnSmithisnotme nothing wrong with judo. Just have to realize nobody in the streets are going to wear Gis and not everyone is going to be able to be thrown.
bros im just scared of getting shanked in the neck. have you seen some of those vids. sometimes i wish I could fight a dude but I just don't wanna get stabed or my head bounced off the concrete. shits scary ong
I agree that JJ has morphed too far into sports competition rather than practical application. As a parent I’m making sure my child learns boxing and wrestling as well as JJ because I want her to have a complete understanding and eventual mastery of just controlling someone
Don't try to raise a man. At best, you'll get her hurt from overestimating herself in a situation where she should have ran away and would've been 100% safe. Worst case is you'll get her to have any identity crisis at a young age and end up confused and wanting hormone replacement.
Man thank you i appreciate this. I'm new to BJJ. I enjoy but i have definitely been thinking on some of these. Concerned About it. I appreciate your insights.
@@christopherkochis9011 of course! And if u love BJJ and enjoy it, I hope this doesn't dissuade you from doing it! It's still beneficial, great for your body, mind and soul and helps keep you in great shape! I just have my thoughts on how it's being marketed to people recently and it's practical uses.
Totally agree with you on points made in this vid. I think Muay Thai needs a little more credit. True, kicks probably aren’t ideal in a street fight, but being able to fighting in the pocket is a good advantage. Catching someone with a painful elbow is a game changer. And being comfortable clinching and dealing damage from there is key. And you’ll still have decent enough hands if you train Muay Thai. You can sweep too if need be. That little bit of grappling from Muay Thai is nice too. But back to your point, boxing definitely prepares you well to move in space and punch well
@@fishinforfun3359 I absolutely think Muay Thai is very useful for sure. I'm bias towards it but you also have to be careful clinching because a traditional Thai clinch is great but it has both your hands clasped on the neck or back of the head and if you pull them down to throw knees usually people are just going to try to wrap you up and football tackle you so you better land a clean knee immediately if you want to remain standing. Kickboxing in all it's forms will always be my first love but I'm not gonna use a Thai plumb against anyone that may try to grapple with me. I think a good low risk kick that doesn't require much pivot is that Jon Jones style front kick to the knee which you definitely won't get in boxing. I just think generally for a striking sport boxing is more universal as far as how it translates to real life scenarios.
Great points. I think the most useful aspects of BJJ are sweeps, reversals, simple locks and chokes like armbars and triangles, and general body faculty when finding yourself grounded. Basically tools that can help you avoid getting immediately squished , immobilized or knocked out from top position, and hopefully be able to get back up. Of course, for self defense, you'll want to have more reliable and proactive skills in addition to these things. Boxing obviously is great for anybody. But it doesn't have to be boxing. Kickboxing, Muay Thai, okinawan Karate, Kyokushin - they all have good movement on the feet, great conditioning, good basic blocks and parries and powerful strikes, more than enough to nail a guy real good and avoid getting KOd first. I'd suggest Judo or Greco-Roman wrestling over folk or freestyle. Below the waist stuff like double legs, low crotch, and generally anything that has you exposing the neck, going down with your opponent or your knees touching the concrete cand end up very nasty. Judo and Greco-Roman on the other hand are brilliant for staying on your feet (which should always be your goal) and include immensely explosive and powerful throws that can potentially knock the opponent out or beat all the air out of their lungs without even having to strike. Not sure I'd recommend grappling to women. Grappling is commitment, and the closest range in combat, in situations where your highest interest will probably be in disengaging. Add in the fact that you'd probably be going against someone who outweighs you by a very significant margin, and can easily power through a whole bunch of technique you might have. Quick, painful strikes to vital targets from a long distance, and a fucking good sprint might be more useful.
@@honigdachs. My recommendation for BJJ being good for women is because they can be put in unique awful positions that BJJ with wrestling could help with a stronger dude on top of them. Also I agree any striking is better than no striking but boxing especially for women doesn't rely on things like high kicks like various styles of karate and TKD or whatever and I this generally if you focus on less things to improve you can get adequate much faster at it for self defense.
Kyokushin is great, it has the traditional karate connection and functional conditioning. Most other practitioners I've met are open minded to other combat sports.
@@JohnSmithisnotme ya here's the thing it's better than nothing for sure but my buddies dad runs a kyokushin class out of the rec center. It's a fine martial art but the practical use of the striking (fists to the body to set up kicks to the head) isn't great practice for real life. I like Karate but my point stands, it's not supposed to be what can work, it's what is most effective based on my hand to hand combat experience.
@@tyleredwards9382 The kyokushin sport gameplan is not realistic of course, that is why I also said that Boxing is the most effective for self defense because most of time people who are bare handed is going to hit with their fist rather than their shins. While the KK sport isn't the most effective for self defense, it still has benefits which it provides a ruleset to spar without gloves and shinpads with full intensity.
I trained Japanese Jujitsu before I switched to a BJJ school because it was closer to my house. Japanese Jujitsu does throws and ground game. Dutch Kick boxing is my favourite for self defence.
After 4 years of doing jiu-jitsu, I found myself afraid of starting a match on my feet, so I started training judo and now I look forward to start on my feet.
You bring up a lot of great points. I especially like how you pointed out there is less barrier for entry for anyone who wants to learn wrestling because it is taught in high school. In addition to the grit and toughness you describe, wrestling also makes the wrestler incredibly well balanced. Anyone who had trained against a wrestler in BJJ can confirm they are very difficult to sweep. One topic not discussed, perhaps it's more niche and less commercialized, it's Judo. I could make a case that Judo, offers the conditioning and explosiveness of boxing and wrestling with the technical submissions in BJJ. I like it slightly more than wrestling because the upright posture keeps the head in a safer position. I like it less because it's highly technical and won't translate as quickly for beginners who start later in life to real world situations. I can't comment much on boxing because I haven't studied it. But I have been punched by a boxer and it's not easy to get close to one who knows how to move. That's my opinion as someone who studied Judo as a child, wrestling in high school, martial arts in the military, and BJJ (currently a black belt).
@@arturofernandez725 yo that is a good point. In my first gym when my sensei had a striking background with traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu, he really taught it the old school way where judo is under that umbrella and incorporated with traditional Jiu Jitsu. For me I think throws, hip tosses and stuff like that are really great but also requires you to get in very close and also works a lot better in Gi with the grips. I know they can be modified to like head and arms or whatever rather than a collar tie but for me I think wrestling can work a little better for smaller people or people who don't want to take chances having to get perfect leverage and positioning when you can get an ankle pick or shoulder shrug to the back in wrestling but it's definitely not a bad point! I love judo.
@ I don’t do that buddy. I own an airport in Durban & import Glock. Teach Gracie barra since 05 & ipi gets me municipal rights to own the inspection of the airport expansion for commercial cargo here in Durban SA. Jeez Pinkman , I was just being nice , you look so much healthier , no need to be so touchy , send me a P.O. Box, I’ll send you a x box game as an apology - what’ do you like ? Cars ? Tier 1 operator ? Or WWE game ?
@WeinspectwhayyouExpect I don't game but thanks. Idk why you felt the need to disclose your choice of fire arm but you must have good taste because I own the same. Congrats on your airport and BJJ accomplishments. Stay blessed brother
You Definitely have alot of good points. I Have some stand up with a decade of Wrestling experience and been training BJJ for a year now. I've always said unless your a giant, have training or have a weapon.. You're Cooked.
@@sensei6lack506 ya man weapons are scary. I'm 6'1 190ish and I still don't take anyone for granted. Everyone is capable of violence. It's just better to stay training, and focus on de-escalation
It really just depends on the school. The Gracies are still teaching the self defence first. To the point that they admit there are better schools to go to if you want to compete in the sport. I went to a school that focused very much on stand up and striking your way in, getting a take down, and getting on top and holding it there. My kids go to one now that seems very sport focused, with very little strength and conditioning.
Kinda agree with this but id still say Muay Thai + Wrestling. Im a MT guy as well and biased but just think the clinch is so nice for the streets and self defense. But if i would to start from scratch and I want a full arsenal of self defense it would be boxing/wrestling for sure.
@mike8147 wrestling boxing and judo is all you need to know how to fight... sport bjj will get you killed on the street... judo and wrestling start standing and who in rhe hell is going to spin on their backs for a triangle choke or baronbola
This is a disingenuous conversation. 1. The average person isn’t fighting at bars and night clubs. 2. If the average person finds himself in a physical altercation, it’s not going to be against a seasoned fighter. The average person whose 30 and older who then finds himself in a altercation at Walmart that trains three times a week in BJJ is vastly more likely to come out of that situation unscathed or much less prone to injury or harm. It’s not about being able to “fight” so much as it is the ability to AVOID a fight, or maintain a sense of control over an individual until you can disengage or others get involved. The beauty of BJJ is that it teaches the average person how tough THEY AREN’T, and that’s what saves most people from even getting into a fight.
@@ASISEEITPODCAST you're an ex cop and ex military (thanks for your service) you should know the legality abd complexity of performing a BJJ technique that could lead to choking someone out or worse or breaking something via submission vs a quick strike to end a situation. Respectfully, You're missing the point. Duh BJJ is better than nothing against untrained people but it's still not better than boxing or wrestling WHEN AVOIDING CONFLICT ISN'T AN OPTION. Of course that's the easy thing to say... Just don't fight but it's not always an option
@@riggsreacts thanks man that's good advice. In general I don't put much effort into thumbnails but I know that's a big thing for getting more views! Appreciate the view bro!
@tyleredwards9382 hell yeah. Saw a dude head split before from hitting concrete. From that day I have zero time for street fighting tbh and people who start shit like that. Very reckless of life
Not at the gym I roll. Even tho jits is a bigger pull there, when I first walked in and asked what they thought I should do for self-defense, they told me the MMA striking class. Granted their foundation system for the sticking class is still jits.
Ya regardless of climate or location I think the only place you should use BJJ is if you unwillingly wind up on your back or are a cop or something trying to restrain someone. But ya bro I've slipped throwing high kicks in my garage in California where we have no snow. Can't imagine it being good for anywhere cold as far as ROI goes.
I totally agree with you... In my opinion, Boxing & Wrestling help you build the most important tools you need to survive the fight game. But Wrestling is primarily a high school and collegiate sport. I regret not pursuing it when I had the opportunity back in high school. Another good combination is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai. Although, you should expect to take a little more damage, just relying on these? Judo is another great system. If you can find an MMA gym featuring all those systems? In theory, you can become an unstoppable fighting machine. All the tools are there. Combat Sambo is as close to a perfect system as you can find. It cherry picked usable techniques from wrestling, jiu jitsu and judo... plus it has striking.
@@bjjthaiboxing ya bro combat sambo to me is the highest level martial art for fighting because they just stole all the good shit and left out the rest. I do like judo as well and my original sensei explained to me that judo wasn't always it's own thing and since we learned Japanese jits it was incorporated with it as an integral part of it. The only thing id say that leans wrestling over judo is because the stance is lower and doesn't rely as much on perfect position and leverage it can be more effective for smaller weak people.
@tyleredwards9382 Judo was the first martial art I trained when I was kid. I think it's a great fit with BJJ. I don't subscribe to the techniques called "pulling guard & jumping guard." Its not smart on the street, so I don't make it a habit in the gym. Especially since Judo has a plethora good takedowns. And similar to your reference of a double leg takedown on the street... A Judo throw on the street and it's game over. LOL We also appear to be like minded regarding Muay Thai vs Boxing... Muay Thai expects you to absorb a lot of your opponent's strikes. Every time they hit you make them pay! I'm 58 years old. I would much rather slip those punches and use good foot work to change my position and not absorbed a God damn thing! Granted, I've watched a few Boxing vs Muay Thai competitions... And the Muay Thai guy just destroys the boxer's legs. Muay Thai gives you more tools to work with, boxing definitely focuses more on self-preservation. At the end of the day... I don't want to be the tough guy. I want to be the smart guy!
@@bjjthaiboxing Fully agree! I coach both Muay Thai and boxing and the bobbing and weaving is not coached too much with Muay Thai because any time your head gets out from behind your gloves you have to worry about the high kick but I think you can combine them as long as you understand the problems with Philly Shell or a low gaurd in boxing when knees and kicks are involved. You just gotta know when to implement one vs the other and ya bro originally Jiu Jitsu and judo were the same martial art which is why I think throws can flow so smoothly into submissions. Also don't give up on wrestling man there are some great MMA gyms out there with good wrestling coaches as well as wrestling clubs that anyone can join for free!
Gracies literally did a video on this 8 years ago. You need jiu jitsu in a scenario with multiple attackers to get back up. Vid is Street Fight vs Multiple Attackers (And the Biggest LIE in Martial Arts History)
@@SquaredbyX I mean idk if you've been jumped before but once you're on the ground if it's multiple people yes scrambling is the only way out but most likely at that point you're getting beat down and it's better to cover your head and curl up. Also I did say to literally pop the first guy if it's too late and run. I just watched that vid and I agree except when they said "and if you are on the ground against your will what's the only defense you wanna have? Gracie Jiu Jitsu" as if to say Machado tenth planet and others aren't as good. 😂. Generally I agree though.
@@rob1996ization that is the key to success in the cage bro. Also it will pay dividends if you compete against a school that uses guard pulling techniques and doesn't focus on passing or having good control or hips. Hell ya dawg ⚡⚡⚡⚡
@@tyleredwards9382 unless you are some kind of guard magician the best way to win a bjj competition is to score a takedown, gain top control ( side -> mount ) and then worry about sub, thats how my school teaches to fight, standing ? takedown, bottom ? sweep/standup ASAP
Look for sambo gyms. The northeast has a surprising amount of talented atheletes. So does texas, south carolina has one too. Combat sambo is the truth if you don’t want to be an mma fighter for a living.
@@liammorris7324 ya bro trust me I've looked around me and currently work at an MMA gym but would totally pay fees elsewhere to join a combat sambo gym. They just don't really exist in southern California
BJJ is 20% of fighting. Unless you are on the ground, then it is 100, LOL. But seriously, wrestling is nearly 30% and striking is a full 50% of fighting. If you really want to be the best fighter (self defense) possible start wrestling in high school or before. Then train in striking, boxing or MT. BJJ would come next. I will say, the best wrestling club in my area is in a BJJ school. As I got older I started training in weapons. 2 years of blade training a solid 2 years of regular gun training. When I was growing up more than 40 years ago there were way more fights than today, but now at age 62 I always carry weapons. Most importantly, I do everything possible to avoid fights. Interesting, I hold a black belt in Japanese JJ, but it came from a guy (I used to prep him for his fights) who was an MMA pro, fought in Bellator. I don't belt anyone who does not have decent stand up.
@@Dr.SeanReed-DatingCoach ya I like the old traditions of Japanese OG Jiu Jitsu. I love how striking and judo is heavily incorporated. BJJ can be 20 percent if you're able to fight on the ground but from the unfortunate real world experiences I've had the guy who hits the pavement has very little to no chance left which is why I prioritize disciplines that prioritize standing at all costs or at a minimum being on top because you can say fighting on the ground is 100 percent BJJ but that's not accounting for kicking stomping or just pounding on a grounded person.
@@tyleredwards9382 I started wrestling in 8th grade and trained in MMA for 17 years (Renzo Gracie blue belt, boxed in the D'Matto camp...my coach was Mike Tyson's stable mate). My first BJJ school, right before we became affiliated w/ Renzo trained A LOT of standup. The school had many high level wrestlers and an Olympic Judoka, many guys fought pro, and all of us had a lot of street fighting background (not proud of this...I was a drunk a hole when younger). Probably our best guy was Jay White who won the BJJ Pan Ams twice and then fought pro. Made it to Bellator. We also trained in Kyokushin Karate...very hard core. But my first school was generally much better for self defense. I would say we did nearly half of our training on the feet. BJJ was much more oriented to a real street fight back then. Having said that, a lot of BJJ schools where I live also have good striking and wrestling programs. They know that BJJ alone is not enough.
@@irateindividual8086 I think they use 2 different methods to accomplish a similar thing and judo is crazy useful. Id still give the edge to wrestling because I've seen Judo guys in competition get blown up by wrestling BUT ya bro judo is fantastic if you don't have access to wrestling. Just keep in mind that a lot of grips involving a Gi don't translate to T shirts or shirtless guys so modify your throws by using under hooks and wizards rather than collars
@@tyleredwards9382 Thanks for the reply man, interesting comments RE wrestling can definetly see how it would depend on relative size/strengths of the individuals involved!
Just because we train bjj, doesn't mean we're really bjj people. We're hobbyists. 9/10 we're not getting into a fight. We're chic fil a soccer dads. Next point being able to box is absolutely necessary. But very few people can box. Boxing is a demographic, generational thing. Those of us who grew up under the poverty line, generally urban, can box. Because the boys and girl club had a boxing ring and platform. Not too mention corner gyms. So all the boys develop a Boxing base until they realize they don't want to put in that work. Absolutely nobody is wrestling because thats way too physical and hard. So let's circle back real quick. Bjj is 100% effective in all areas...if you are NOT delusional. If you're a solid weightroom guy with decent hands and you understand you're not some bjj stud...you will be fine in a fight....because your bjj is not something that made you absolutely unrealistic...it enters the same realm as your basic Boxing you picked up young. Essentially this is the case for everything you train. Bjj, Boxing will at a non delusional level will have you be able to hold your own. But if you cross that line as a hobbyists ( 99.9 % of the community) then we get to the point he's making in this video. He's correct. Hobbyists need to dial it all the way back.
@@Jimi1124 I read this novel and absolutely agree with you. I think it's fine if you are a soccer dad trying a hobby like BJJ to stay in shape but even if you get to purple belt or whatever and have success in that platform, it still isn't going to make you sufficient at defending yourself or family if needed. BJJ gyms used to have an edge and some still do but if all they are are competition based gyms that don't use heavy wrestling, start every roll on the knees, and encourage guard pulling or rolling into a leg lock, none of that is going to translate to real life and they should be clear about that.
@tyleredwards9382 i agree. When I say we'll be fine....I don't necessarily mean successful. There's going to be a winner and a loser. What i mean is.....well...I'll speak for myself....there's absolutely nothing that's going to shell shock me from striking, to grappling, to certain levels of armed conflict. Been in it long enough to understand the levels....and exactly where I am. I try to explain this to people...but they all think they will do this or that...having never been stomped, shot at, knife drawn...you name it. That's why chic fil a dads, soccer dads like me....must stay in our lane. I don't care who I square up with on this earth....I have encountered enough to know my years of various training will have me able to respond just fine.....lol....I might not win....but I know there are numerous things I can do....and alot more I can't even come close to doing. We're hobbyists....as long as we never forget that...our years of striking, grappling, handling weapons, will have us more than fine.......win, lose or draw....but the minute we think we're anything other than casuals....its over.
I’m a black belt in Bjj and I carry. If I had equivalent training in boxing or wrestling I’d still carry. All points made in the video are valid except that carrying is pussy. If we are talking about self defense, it’s the end all be all. Nothing pussy about ending a fight before it begins or protecting your self from even more serious danger.
It's the "in" thing to shit on BJJ right now, but all 3 BJJ gyms I have trained at taught takedowns/defense. BJJ is just another grappling style, as is Wrestling and Judo. None of them have all the answers, despite how awesome they are. Combine one of them with Muay Thai and you are pretty well covered.
@@ThePimpedOutPlatypus I'm not shitting on it. I still partake in it from time to time at my gym I teach Muay Thai at. My point was it's being marketed as the best martial art and really by some really big trusted personalities. Our gym teaches takedowns too but if some middle schooler asked me what would make them more capable 4 years of BJJ or 4 years of highschool wrestling or 4 years of boxing even id put BJJ at the bottom of those.
Bro do you realise BJJ fighter can also punch, kick and push too? We have fists and feet, also head , elbow and knee. And many of us come from the streets and have large experience in street, school, party fights. And...the BJJ we teach here we dont teach to non-brazilians.
@@Xaturia so you're from Brazil, you don't teach BJJ to non Brazilians, and you have fought in the street. That's fine. This video may not apply to you but in the states especially, sport BJJ is being prioritized over the true intent of the martial art. If you think your "party fights" is a good background for striking good for you, but there's a plethora of videos on TH-cam that are titled "street fighter storms dojo." Spoiler those guys usually get their ass whipped. Also just because someone "can punch" doesn't mean they punch well. I'll take my chances as a Muay Thai guy if I have to against a "guy from the streets" any day and I'm sure as hell not going to engage in grappling on concrete. 😂
@@tyleredwards9382 Sorry, i wasn't very clear. I was a striker before begining BJJ. From my 11y to 24yo i competed in Karate, Taekwondo, Kickboxing (bare knuckle also) and Muay Thai. When i sayed we don't teach BJJ to non-brazilians i was saying we don't teach real BJJ ith malice to you. Same way you don't teach real JAZZ to us for exemple, or japanese don't teach real Judo. Like a martial artits brother, if may i recommend someting, search for Chute Boxe and Pitboys story early in the 90'. Oss from Brazil, bro. Wish you success on this project.
@tyleredwards9382 I love Roger. But Gracie "combatives" is "real life" scenarios. So to say it doesn't work, I disagree. #1 Avoid a fight at all costs. However Id put an old school Gracie against any form of fighting. Form against form, my money is on the Gracie. Its harder to knock someone out than you think.
@@fightingismylife6233 I respectfully still take boxing and wrestling over what I know of Gracie but ya of course if you can avoid fights do that. I agree with you there
@@eddiehazard3340 wrong about what exactly? What part of my vid are you referring to because I do talk about Muay Thai and the effectiveness of BJJ plus wrestling.... Maybe you didn't get that far
@@tyleredwards9382 the clickbait title, bro. the clickbait title. I rank it right up there with Rokas recent "JIUJITSU RUINED MY LIFE AND CRIPPLED ME"... just clickbait titles... bad info.. Of course, at least you are more on point in the video. But the title.. sigh.. much damage done.
@eddiehazard3340 we don't have to agree and the thumb nail and the title are designed for you to click but I do feel that in large BJJ is being falsely marketed as the best self defense martial art. As far as my info being bad I've been a martial artist for 20 plus years, competed, and coached so I don't really feel like I'm misleading with my information. It's cool that you don't agree though. Maybe you have successfully used BJJ in a real world scenario but I still think striking and wrestling is far superior for anything off the mat.
@@tyleredwards9382 I've also coached in my own gym..only 10 years..it was a Straigbht Blast Gym affiliated training group under Matt Thornton... Your title is just wrong bro. Every martial art says its the best one. Aikido says it. Boxing says it. Muay Thai says it. Krav Maga says it. Sambo says it. None of them are the best martial art (Possibly sambo...but..) I agree striking and Wrestling are far superior...most def. I base most of my coaching around those two. Truth. But we sub wrestlers all the time, until they get bjj experience.. You just can't leave it out. But the title is still misleading clickbait. (shrug) You want to make money on views - so you keep it. I get it. (shrug)
@eddiehazard3340 it sounds like we fundamentally agree if striking and wrestling are superior and my point is they are lying about it being the best use for fighting and more importantly self defense. I appreciate your educated input. As far as making money I haven't made a cent from TH-cam and film most of my content on my galaxy with my Temu ring light so I'm not really money motivated on here. Just want to entertain and educate when I can. I appreciate your opinion and engagement though.
As a dude that trained traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu I tend to agree although I still maintain having hands and good footwork with balance and leverage is the best formula to defend yourself in a fight
@@tyleredwards9382 I think by Jiu Jitsu, he's referring to the true hybrid grappling art (submission grappling) that it's evolving into with emerging rulesets like ADCC and CJI. This is Jiu Jitsu, not the stereotypical, guard-pulling heavy BJJ.
@@markdaniels4178 I think it depends on who you ask I definitely think it started as a martial art but today ya it's been pretty commercially pushed as a sport
Hahaha I love that I found the most trash show on youtube. For sure lean into that vibe, everyone's always trying to be cool. This is a good change of pace
@@StevenOyston thanks bro! I appreciate the love! I don't have big TH-cam channel money so I'm trying to be a black belt with my ring light and Samsung for the content
I’ll agree that Jiu Jitsu has become a sport rather then a self defense martial art system. However, I do it for the challenge. It’s still one on one physical battle between 2 men. Stand up skills most definitely are better in a fight on the street but an untrained person will most likely lose against someone that trains jiu jitsu. The argument about if the opponent has friends is moot in my opinion. You’re fucked regardless of what discipline you practice. The best defense is to not be there in the first place. I also think a Jiu Jitsu tournament or super fight is appropriate to be called a fight. The same with a wrestling match. If two people are in a physical confrontation then it’s a fight in my opinion. I don’t think the lack of blows makes it less of a fight. One is trying to subdue the other. Especially if the opponent is trying to break a limb or choke you unconscious.
@@Discipline_equals_freedom interesting take and I agree with most your points. The only push back id offer is wrestlers wouldn't call wrestling matches fights because they know it's a wrestling match and they also aren't referred to as fighters interchangeably like boxers, Thai boxers, mixed material artists and kickboxers are. Advancing position alone isn't enough to win a fight but it is enough to win in BJJ or wrestling but if that's your loose definition then it is what it is
@ no doubt wrestlers aren’t called fighters. It’s just my opinion that when 2 men are in a physical confrontation how isn’t it a fight. One fighting to control and dominate the other. Fighting each others body and strength. I’m talking at the core level not the accepted definition to which I agree with you. All I know is it sure feels like a fight when I’m rolling with dudes that could be my son. Jiu jitsu is frigg’n hard.
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I used to live on a street in San Diego that had about 10 bars within 3 blocks . There was a mix of surfers, bikers and Navy guys . Almost every one on one fight turned into a brawl, and when 2 guys went to the ground somebody else started kicking one of them in the head . For self defense you want to use your grappling to NOT go down and if you do , to get back up asap. Any take downs would ideally be from positions outside the elbows or knees so they can't pull you down with them. I assume everybody has a knife , because I do too. When I teach classes I have all my students wear training knives and to pull them out during drills and grappling . It changes things big time . I agree there is great value in knowing some JJ for the exact reason you state and the real reason it was invented . For when you FIND yourself on the ground . Martial artist often fall into the trap of training to fight other trained fighters when thats HIGHLY unlikely .
They forget to train against somebody flailing wildly as hard as they can and crashing into you . We put out plastic patio furniture ,cardboard boxes , plastic bottles and folded up mats to trip over and wear our street clothes . You move totally different in a pair of steel toed work boots and a Carhart jacket !
@@BradYaeger exactly my point for boxing if you can understand spacing and have fast hands and good cardio with an understanding of wrestling to at least be able to stay upright when grabbed, that to me is ideal for real life scenarios.
@@tyleredwards9382 Agreed . And a point almost every seasoned bouncer will tell you too. I mean what art has dedicated more real world , full contact time to the science of knocking people out ?
@@BradYaegerright on the money!
I trained with an SASR guy, and he focused on taking out opponents fast.
1. Learn striking
2. Get good at takedown defense
3. Get good at wrestling up from the ground
4. See #1
@@JFrazier918 THIS 🤌
I started Jiu Jitsu seven years ago, not too much time had passed from when I began that I realized that the Gi wasn’t for me, stayed doing NoGi and almost always started from standing, plenty of takedown work. Twice a week I train grappling, and once a week MMA. I don’t care about the Gi, the belts or what people think. And I agree, grappling is plan B. Striking comes first.
@@mr.saturn7833 smart man
That's so true about how jitz competitions are called "fights". I went to a few jitz tournaments back in the day and won with a heavy wrestling background and a handful of submissions after a couple years of training. The craziest part was how even the high level jitz guys who were non-wrestlers viewed the competition as a fight, whereas the wrestlers viewed it as just another weekend in a gym covered in wrestling mats, and if these matches are considered fights, then most wrestlers have about 1000 "fights" by the time they are in their 20's and any one purple belt and below perhaps seven brown belts will have a really hard time in a no-gi match if they're a non-wrestler.
@@thewildworldofneonthomas5152 ya man the toughness you get from wrestling is unrivaled. I don't consider anything that doesn't involve acute impact and knockouts as an integral part of the match a fight but man when I was in the cage I hated fighting and training with wrestlers the most. Zero quit and crazy tough. There's a reason why if you're an NCAA guy you can't enter a white belt BJJ tournament even if you've never stepped into a jitz school
@tyleredwards9382 that's 💯 true...I tell the kids on my wrestling team that the most beneficial aspect of wrestling is the way that it takes away the ability to quit, it removes it from your character. I agree with you about fighting wrestlers, even as one I preferred to fight non wrestlers in the cage. We had a solid group of wrestlers fairly fresh outta college and we transitioned to no-gi grappling and weren't allowed to compete in white belt divisions, but even if they had allowed it ,I don't think any of us would have done so based on pride. But this was back in 03'-08' so it was still easy to go win open tournaments with wrestling and a few submissions. I think it'd be hard to do so with the amount of high level grapples nowadays.
@thewildworldofneonthomas5152 nah bro NCAA level guys still aren't allowed to compete with white belts you gotta go blue and up which is kinda crazy to me. But even still my money is on the wrestler until you get to a good purple belt level or a guy that also has a wrestling background. The lame thing is a lot of rule sets are calling things like last drops slams and trying to get rid of that but ya man to me every 1 year of well coached wrestling is like 2 years of well coached BJJ for grappling purposes
@tyleredwards9382 that's what I'm saying about not being able to compete in white belt divisions, it wouldn't be fair to do so, and I don't think it's fair even in blue belt nogi. At least it wasn't close to 20yrs ago, and I'm just assuming that the lower belts and the sport in general, has improved and grown to a point that a wrestler can enter opens and win them with wrestling alone.
@thewildworldofneonthomas5152 ohhh my bad. I misunderstood the first statement. Ya agreed
Boxing is a huge advantage because most people can't even use their legs to strike effectively, add some takedown defense and you probably have more confidence than 90% people in the world.
The thing that I don't like/enjoy BJJ and wrestling is the posture, I prefer Judo, also takedowns without going down to the ground is really important to me.
@@JohnSmithisnotme nothing wrong with judo. Just have to realize nobody in the streets are going to wear Gis and not everyone is going to be able to be thrown.
bros im just scared of getting shanked in the neck. have you seen some of those vids.
sometimes i wish I could fight a dude but I just don't wanna get stabed or my head bounced off the concrete. shits scary ong
@Testoider you can bro. Just join a fight gym and enter a fight
I agree that JJ has morphed too far into sports competition rather than practical application. As a parent I’m making sure my child learns boxing and wrestling as well as JJ because I want her to have a complete understanding and eventual mastery of just controlling someone
@@djtednam you sir are molding a very capable young woman! Good on you bro 👍
Judo
Judo over bjj
Don't try to raise a man. At best, you'll get her hurt from overestimating herself in a situation where she should have ran away and would've been 100% safe. Worst case is you'll get her to have any identity crisis at a young age and end up confused and wanting hormone replacement.
Man thank you i appreciate this. I'm new to BJJ. I enjoy but i have definitely been thinking on some of these. Concerned About it. I appreciate your insights.
@@christopherkochis9011 of course! And if u love BJJ and enjoy it, I hope this doesn't dissuade you from doing it! It's still beneficial, great for your body, mind and soul and helps keep you in great shape! I just have my thoughts on how it's being marketed to people recently and it's practical uses.
Totally agree with you on points made in this vid. I think Muay Thai needs a little more credit. True, kicks probably aren’t ideal in a street fight, but being able to fighting in the pocket is a good advantage. Catching someone with a painful elbow is a game changer. And being comfortable clinching and dealing damage from there is key. And you’ll still have decent enough hands if you train Muay Thai. You can sweep too if need be. That little bit of grappling from Muay Thai is nice too.
But back to your point, boxing definitely prepares you well to move in space and punch well
@@fishinforfun3359 I absolutely think Muay Thai is very useful for sure. I'm bias towards it but you also have to be careful clinching because a traditional Thai clinch is great but it has both your hands clasped on the neck or back of the head and if you pull them down to throw knees usually people are just going to try to wrap you up and football tackle you so you better land a clean knee immediately if you want to remain standing. Kickboxing in all it's forms will always be my first love but I'm not gonna use a Thai plumb against anyone that may try to grapple with me. I think a good low risk kick that doesn't require much pivot is that Jon Jones style front kick to the knee which you definitely won't get in boxing. I just think generally for a striking sport boxing is more universal as far as how it translates to real life scenarios.
Great points. I think the most useful aspects of BJJ are sweeps, reversals, simple locks and chokes like armbars and triangles, and general body faculty when finding yourself grounded. Basically tools that can help you avoid getting immediately squished , immobilized or knocked out from top position, and hopefully be able to get back up. Of course, for self defense, you'll want to have more reliable and proactive skills in addition to these things.
Boxing obviously is great for anybody. But it doesn't have to be boxing. Kickboxing, Muay Thai, okinawan Karate, Kyokushin - they all have good movement on the feet, great conditioning, good basic blocks and parries and powerful strikes, more than enough to nail a guy real good and avoid getting KOd first.
I'd suggest Judo or Greco-Roman wrestling over folk or freestyle. Below the waist stuff like double legs, low crotch, and generally anything that has you exposing the neck, going down with your opponent or your knees touching the concrete cand end up very nasty. Judo and Greco-Roman on the other hand are brilliant for staying on your feet (which should always be your goal) and include immensely explosive and powerful throws that can potentially knock the opponent out or beat all the air out of their lungs without even having to strike.
Not sure I'd recommend grappling to women. Grappling is commitment, and the closest range in combat, in situations where your highest interest will probably be in disengaging. Add in the fact that you'd probably be going against someone who outweighs you by a very significant margin, and can easily power through a whole bunch of technique you might have. Quick, painful strikes to vital targets from a long distance, and a fucking good sprint might be more useful.
@@honigdachs. My recommendation for BJJ being good for women is because they can be put in unique awful positions that BJJ with wrestling could help with a stronger dude on top of them. Also I agree any striking is better than no striking but boxing especially for women doesn't rely on things like high kicks like various styles of karate and TKD or whatever and I this generally if you focus on less things to improve you can get adequate much faster at it for self defense.
Kyokushin is great, it has the traditional karate connection and functional conditioning.
Most other practitioners I've met are open minded to other combat sports.
@@JohnSmithisnotme ya here's the thing it's better than nothing for sure but my buddies dad runs a kyokushin class out of the rec center. It's a fine martial art but the practical use of the striking (fists to the body to set up kicks to the head) isn't great practice for real life. I like Karate but my point stands, it's not supposed to be what can work, it's what is most effective based on my hand to hand combat experience.
@@tyleredwards9382 The kyokushin sport gameplan is not realistic of course, that is why I also said that Boxing is the most effective for self defense because most of time people who are bare handed is going to hit with their fist rather than their shins.
While the KK sport isn't the most effective for self defense, it still has benefits which it provides a ruleset to spar without gloves and shinpads with full intensity.
I trained Japanese Jujitsu before I switched to a BJJ school because it was closer to my house.
Japanese Jujitsu does throws and ground game.
Dutch Kick boxing is my favourite for self defence.
@@adhdmed nice bro! Sounds like we have a similar background
After 4 years of doing jiu-jitsu, I found myself afraid of starting a match on my feet, so I started training judo and now I look forward to start on my feet.
@@Alee869 that's dope! Good luck!
start blasting doubles on open mats
I love old school jiu jitsu, that we start on feet. People nowadays dont training distance.
@@sergiocortinhas6742 ya man I miss his pure and practical it was 10 years ago
You bring up a lot of great points. I especially like how you pointed out there is less barrier for entry for anyone who wants to learn wrestling because it is taught in high school. In addition to the grit and toughness you describe, wrestling also makes the wrestler incredibly well balanced. Anyone who had trained against a wrestler in BJJ can confirm they are very difficult to sweep.
One topic not discussed, perhaps it's more niche and less commercialized, it's Judo. I could make a case that Judo, offers the conditioning and explosiveness of boxing and wrestling with the technical submissions in BJJ. I like it slightly more than wrestling because the upright posture keeps the head in a safer position. I like it less because it's highly technical and won't translate as quickly for beginners who start later in life to real world situations.
I can't comment much on boxing because I haven't studied it. But I have been punched by a boxer and it's not easy to get close to one who knows how to move.
That's my opinion as someone who studied Judo as a child, wrestling in high school, martial arts in the military, and BJJ (currently a black belt).
@@arturofernandez725 yo that is a good point. In my first gym when my sensei had a striking background with traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu, he really taught it the old school way where judo is under that umbrella and incorporated with traditional Jiu Jitsu. For me I think throws, hip tosses and stuff like that are really great but also requires you to get in very close and also works a lot better in Gi with the grips. I know they can be modified to like head and arms or whatever rather than a collar tie but for me I think wrestling can work a little better for smaller people or people who don't want to take chances having to get perfect leverage and positioning when you can get an ankle pick or shoulder shrug to the back in wrestling but it's definitely not a bad point! I love judo.
Jessey pinkman ? Happy to see you’re healthy & off the meth man . Stay strong bro
@WeinspectwhayyouExpect them breaking bad residuals got me living good. I'm sure you're doing great loving life inspecting property though. God bless
@ I don’t do that buddy. I own an airport in Durban & import Glock. Teach Gracie barra since 05 & ipi gets me municipal rights to own the inspection of the airport expansion for commercial cargo here in Durban SA. Jeez Pinkman , I was just being nice , you look so much healthier , no need to be so touchy , send me a P.O. Box, I’ll send you a x box game as an apology - what’ do you like ? Cars ? Tier 1 operator ? Or WWE game ?
@WeinspectwhayyouExpect I don't game but thanks. Idk why you felt the need to disclose your choice of fire arm but you must have good taste because I own the same. Congrats on your airport and BJJ accomplishments. Stay blessed brother
You Definitely have alot of good points. I Have some stand up with a decade of Wrestling experience and been training BJJ for a year now. I've always said unless your a giant, have training or have a weapon.. You're Cooked.
@@sensei6lack506 ya man weapons are scary. I'm 6'1 190ish and I still don't take anyone for granted. Everyone is capable of violence. It's just better to stay training, and focus on de-escalation
Youre right bout that, can't underestimate anyone... and avoiding Fights is always 1st line💯
@@sensei6lack506 yea man a lot of dudes think they just see red and bodies start dropping though haha
@@tyleredwards9382 Ohh Brother...😂😂
Very good assessment!
@@ottoclark thanks bro!
It really just depends on the school. The Gracies are still teaching the self defence first. To the point that they admit there are better schools to go to if you want to compete in the sport. I went to a school that focused very much on stand up and striking your way in, getting a take down, and getting on top and holding it there. My kids go to one now that seems very sport focused, with very little strength and conditioning.
@@Yourmomma568 haven't been to a Gracie gym in a minute but that's encouraging to know.
I always felt like effective self defense needs to incorporate striking and grappling and must be stress tested regularly
@@richardbigham4138 ya man otherwise how would you know?
Kinda agree with this but id still say Muay Thai + Wrestling. Im a MT guy as well and biased but just think the clinch is so nice for the streets and self defense. But if i would to start from scratch and I want a full arsenal of self defense it would be boxing/wrestling for sure.
@@mike8147 💯💪
@mike8147 wrestling boxing and judo is all you need to know how to fight... sport bjj will get you killed on the street... judo and wrestling start standing and who in rhe hell is going to spin on their backs for a triangle choke or baronbola
This is a disingenuous conversation. 1. The average person isn’t fighting at bars and night clubs. 2. If the average person finds himself in a physical altercation, it’s not going to be against a seasoned fighter. The average person whose 30 and older who then finds himself in a altercation at Walmart that trains three times a week in BJJ is vastly more likely to come out of that situation unscathed or much less prone to injury or harm.
It’s not about being able to “fight” so much as it is the ability to AVOID a fight, or maintain a sense of control over an individual until you can disengage or others get involved. The beauty of BJJ is that it teaches the average person how tough THEY AREN’T, and that’s what saves most people from even getting into a fight.
@@ASISEEITPODCAST you're an ex cop and ex military (thanks for your service) you should know the legality abd complexity of performing a BJJ technique that could lead to choking someone out or worse or breaking something via submission vs a quick strike to end a situation. Respectfully, You're missing the point. Duh BJJ is better than nothing against untrained people but it's still not better than boxing or wrestling WHEN AVOIDING CONFLICT ISN'T AN OPTION. Of course that's the easy thing to say... Just don't fight but it's not always an option
You should make a part 2 to this with a better thumbnail this was a great informative video🤙🏾
@@riggsreacts thanks man that's good advice. In general I don't put much effort into thumbnails but I know that's a big thing for getting more views! Appreciate the view bro!
@@riggsreacts also side note I just subbed your channel great content bro 💪
There are just so many variables man when it comes to the street fight question
@@thegoldenthread-greatstori6795 yep there is but I think being able to quickly disengage and run is pretty universal for survival in the streets
@tyleredwards9382 hell yeah. Saw a dude head split before from hitting concrete. From that day I have zero time for street fighting tbh and people who start shit like that. Very reckless of life
@thegoldenthread-greatstori6795 ya man I'm glad I grew up
@@tyleredwards9382 nice man
Not at the gym I roll. Even tho jits is a bigger pull there, when I first walked in and asked what they thought I should do for self-defense, they told me the MMA striking class. Granted their foundation system for the sticking class is still jits.
@@woleadu2571 at least they kept it real with you
Interesting point about how kicking sports are a bad idea in icy climates. I always thought "parkas -> BJJ" but I never thought "ice -> boxing".
Ya regardless of climate or location I think the only place you should use BJJ is if you unwillingly wind up on your back or are a cop or something trying to restrain someone. But ya bro I've slipped throwing high kicks in my garage in California where we have no snow. Can't imagine it being good for anywhere cold as far as ROI goes.
Judo and boxing
@@markdaniels4178 judo is super effective too.
I totally agree with you... In my opinion, Boxing & Wrestling help you build the most important tools you need to survive the fight game.
But Wrestling is primarily a high school and collegiate sport. I regret not pursuing it when I had the opportunity back in high school.
Another good combination is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai. Although, you should expect to take a little more damage, just relying on these? Judo is another great system. If you can find an MMA gym featuring all those systems? In theory, you can become an unstoppable fighting machine. All the tools are there.
Combat Sambo is as close to a perfect system as you can find. It cherry picked usable techniques from wrestling, jiu jitsu and judo... plus it has striking.
@@bjjthaiboxing ya bro combat sambo to me is the highest level martial art for fighting because they just stole all the good shit and left out the rest. I do like judo as well and my original sensei explained to me that judo wasn't always it's own thing and since we learned Japanese jits it was incorporated with it as an integral part of it. The only thing id say that leans wrestling over judo is because the stance is lower and doesn't rely as much on perfect position and leverage it can be more effective for smaller weak people.
@tyleredwards9382
Judo was the first martial art I trained when I was kid. I think it's a great fit with BJJ. I don't subscribe to the techniques called "pulling guard & jumping guard." Its not smart on the street, so I don't make it a habit in the gym. Especially since Judo has a plethora good takedowns.
And similar to your reference of a double leg takedown on the street... A Judo throw on the street and it's game over. LOL
We also appear to be like minded regarding Muay Thai vs Boxing... Muay Thai expects you to absorb a lot of your opponent's strikes. Every time they hit you make them pay!
I'm 58 years old. I would much rather slip those punches and use good foot work to change my position and not absorbed a God damn thing!
Granted, I've watched a few Boxing vs Muay Thai competitions... And the Muay Thai guy just destroys the boxer's legs. Muay Thai gives you more tools to work with, boxing definitely focuses more on self-preservation.
At the end of the day... I don't want to be the tough guy. I want to be the smart guy!
@@bjjthaiboxing Fully agree! I coach both Muay Thai and boxing and the bobbing and weaving is not coached too much with Muay Thai because any time your head gets out from behind your gloves you have to worry about the high kick but I think you can combine them as long as you understand the problems with Philly Shell or a low gaurd in boxing when knees and kicks are involved. You just gotta know when to implement one vs the other and ya bro originally Jiu Jitsu and judo were the same martial art which is why I think throws can flow so smoothly into submissions. Also don't give up on wrestling man there are some great MMA gyms out there with good wrestling coaches as well as wrestling clubs that anyone can join for free!
@@tyleredwards9382
Cheers my friend!
Cmon bro, we all know bjj is invincible and helio gracie invented water
@@sliderx1897 😂 and Rickson made wine out of it!
@tyleredwards9382 after he walked on it
@@sliderx1897hilarious!
Best Combat Systems To Learn:
Catch As Can &/or Freestyle Wrestling
Muay Boron/Muay Thai
Combat Sambo
Boxing
Judo
All you need baby
@@Qualifiedmisanthrope good list bro! Expensive though unless you find one of those hidden gem MMA gyms with all that available.
Gracies literally did a video on this 8 years ago. You need jiu jitsu in a scenario with multiple attackers to get back up. Vid is Street Fight vs Multiple Attackers (And the Biggest LIE in Martial Arts History)
@@SquaredbyX I mean idk if you've been jumped before but once you're on the ground if it's multiple people yes scrambling is the only way out but most likely at that point you're getting beat down and it's better to cover your head and curl up. Also I did say to literally pop the first guy if it's too late and run. I just watched that vid and I agree except when they said "and if you are on the ground against your will what's the only defense you wanna have? Gracie Jiu Jitsu" as if to say Machado tenth planet and others aren't as good. 😂. Generally I agree though.
Bjj needs to define itself better. Alot of gyms only teach sport bjj
@@hikecampdrinkrepeat2162 and THIS!!!!!.... is the problem
I like training bjj but I have gravitated towards wrestling and gaining top control, then worrying about jiu-jitsu. Go Chargers baby ⚡️⚡️
@@rob1996ization that is the key to success in the cage bro. Also it will pay dividends if you compete against a school that uses guard pulling techniques and doesn't focus on passing or having good control or hips. Hell ya dawg ⚡⚡⚡⚡
@@tyleredwards9382 unless you are some kind of guard magician the best way to win a bjj competition is to score a takedown, gain top control ( side -> mount ) and then worry about sub, thats how my school teaches to fight, standing ? takedown, bottom ? sweep/standup ASAP
Look for sambo gyms. The northeast has a surprising amount of talented atheletes. So does texas, south carolina has one too. Combat sambo is the truth if you don’t want to be an mma fighter for a living.
Florida also has good sambo guys ive heard of some hitters down there
@@liammorris7324 ya bro trust me I've looked around me and currently work at an MMA gym but would totally pay fees elsewhere to join a combat sambo gym. They just don't really exist in southern California
@@tyleredwards9382 look for sanda/sanshaou theres one of those somewhere in cali i think.
@@tyleredwards9382 cali has a sanda/sanshou club. If you can find it that stuff is fantastic
BJJ is 20% of fighting. Unless you are on the ground, then it is 100, LOL. But seriously, wrestling is nearly 30% and striking is a full 50% of fighting. If you really want to be the best fighter (self defense) possible start wrestling in high school or before. Then train in striking, boxing or MT. BJJ would come next. I will say, the best wrestling club in my area is in a BJJ school.
As I got older I started training in weapons. 2 years of blade training a solid 2 years of regular gun training.
When I was growing up more than 40 years ago there were way more fights than today, but now at age 62 I always carry weapons.
Most importantly, I do everything possible to avoid fights.
Interesting, I hold a black belt in Japanese JJ, but it came from a guy (I used to prep him for his fights) who was an MMA pro, fought in Bellator. I don't belt anyone who does not have decent stand up.
@@Dr.SeanReed-DatingCoach ya I like the old traditions of Japanese OG Jiu Jitsu. I love how striking and judo is heavily incorporated. BJJ can be 20 percent if you're able to fight on the ground but from the unfortunate real world experiences I've had the guy who hits the pavement has very little to no chance left which is why I prioritize disciplines that prioritize standing at all costs or at a minimum being on top because you can say fighting on the ground is 100 percent BJJ but that's not accounting for kicking stomping or just pounding on a grounded person.
@@tyleredwards9382 I started wrestling in 8th grade and trained in MMA for 17 years (Renzo Gracie blue belt, boxed in the D'Matto camp...my coach was Mike Tyson's stable mate).
My first BJJ school, right before we became affiliated w/ Renzo trained A LOT of standup. The school had many high level wrestlers and an Olympic Judoka, many guys fought pro, and all of us had a lot of street fighting background (not proud of this...I was a drunk a hole when younger).
Probably our best guy was Jay White who won the BJJ Pan Ams twice and then fought pro. Made it to Bellator. We also trained in Kyokushin Karate...very hard core.
But my first school was generally much better for self defense. I would say we did nearly half of our training on the feet.
BJJ was much more oriented to a real street fight back then. Having said that, a lot of BJJ schools where I live also have good striking and wrestling programs.
They know that BJJ alone is not enough.
Would you say that judo would be an acceptable substitute for wrestling if that isn’t available (plus boxing of course)?
@@irateindividual8086 I think they use 2 different methods to accomplish a similar thing and judo is crazy useful. Id still give the edge to wrestling because I've seen Judo guys in competition get blown up by wrestling BUT ya bro judo is fantastic if you don't have access to wrestling. Just keep in mind that a lot of grips involving a Gi don't translate to T shirts or shirtless guys so modify your throws by using under hooks and wizards rather than collars
@@tyleredwards9382 Thanks for the reply man, interesting comments RE wrestling can definetly see how it would depend on relative size/strengths of the individuals involved!
Just because we train bjj, doesn't mean we're really bjj people. We're hobbyists. 9/10 we're not getting into a fight. We're chic fil a soccer dads. Next point being able to box is absolutely necessary. But very few people can box. Boxing is a demographic, generational thing. Those of us who grew up under the poverty line, generally urban, can box. Because the boys and girl club had a boxing ring and platform. Not too mention corner gyms. So all the boys develop a Boxing base until they realize they don't want to put in that work. Absolutely nobody is wrestling because thats way too physical and hard. So let's circle back real quick. Bjj is 100% effective in all areas...if you are NOT delusional. If you're a solid weightroom guy with decent hands and you understand you're not some bjj stud...you will be fine in a fight....because your bjj is not something that made you absolutely unrealistic...it enters the same realm as your basic Boxing you picked up young. Essentially this is the case for everything you train. Bjj, Boxing will at a non delusional level will have you be able to hold your own. But if you cross that line as a hobbyists ( 99.9 % of the community) then we get to the point he's making in this video. He's correct. Hobbyists need to dial it all the way back.
@@Jimi1124 I read this novel and absolutely agree with you. I think it's fine if you are a soccer dad trying a hobby like BJJ to stay in shape but even if you get to purple belt or whatever and have success in that platform, it still isn't going to make you sufficient at defending yourself or family if needed. BJJ gyms used to have an edge and some still do but if all they are are competition based gyms that don't use heavy wrestling, start every roll on the knees, and encourage guard pulling or rolling into a leg lock, none of that is going to translate to real life and they should be clear about that.
@tyleredwards9382 i agree. When I say we'll be fine....I don't necessarily mean successful. There's going to be a winner and a loser. What i mean is.....well...I'll speak for myself....there's absolutely nothing that's going to shell shock me from striking, to grappling, to certain levels of armed conflict. Been in it long enough to understand the levels....and exactly where I am. I try to explain this to people...but they all think they will do this or that...having never been stomped, shot at, knife drawn...you name it. That's why chic fil a dads, soccer dads like me....must stay in our lane. I don't care who I square up with on this earth....I have encountered enough to know my years of various training will have me able to respond just fine.....lol....I might not win....but I know there are numerous things I can do....and alot more I can't even come close to doing. We're hobbyists....as long as we never forget that...our years of striking, grappling, handling weapons, will have us more than fine.......win, lose or draw....but the minute we think we're anything other than casuals....its over.
I’m a black belt in Bjj and I carry. If I had equivalent training in boxing or wrestling I’d still carry. All points made in the video are valid except that carrying is pussy. If we are talking about self defense, it’s the end all be all. Nothing pussy about ending a fight before it begins or protecting your self from even more serious danger.
@@TheKnowledgeofGoD I'm pro carry what I don't like is people starting fights knowing they have a gun or knife
It's the "in" thing to shit on BJJ right now, but all 3 BJJ gyms I have trained at taught takedowns/defense.
BJJ is just another grappling style, as is Wrestling and Judo. None of them have all the answers, despite how awesome they are. Combine one of them with Muay Thai and you are pretty well covered.
@@ThePimpedOutPlatypus I'm not shitting on it. I still partake in it from time to time at my gym I teach Muay Thai at. My point was it's being marketed as the best martial art and really by some really big trusted personalities. Our gym teaches takedowns too but if some middle schooler asked me what would make them more capable 4 years of BJJ or 4 years of highschool wrestling or 4 years of boxing even id put BJJ at the bottom of those.
Bro do you realise BJJ fighter can also punch, kick and push too? We have fists and feet, also head , elbow and knee. And many of us come from the streets and have large experience in street, school, party fights. And...the BJJ we teach here we dont teach to non-brazilians.
@@Xaturia so you're from Brazil, you don't teach BJJ to non Brazilians, and you have fought in the street. That's fine. This video may not apply to you but in the states especially, sport BJJ is being prioritized over the true intent of the martial art. If you think your "party fights" is a good background for striking good for you, but there's a plethora of videos on TH-cam that are titled "street fighter storms dojo." Spoiler those guys usually get their ass whipped. Also just because someone "can punch" doesn't mean they punch well. I'll take my chances as a Muay Thai guy if I have to against a "guy from the streets" any day and I'm sure as hell not going to engage in grappling on concrete. 😂
Copium. And doubtful authenticity.
@@AnthonyJohnson-hs3xs I was going to say ... Anyone who says they have street fight experience as a background....
@@tyleredwards9382 Sorry, i wasn't very clear. I was a striker before begining BJJ. From my 11y to 24yo i competed in Karate, Taekwondo, Kickboxing (bare knuckle also) and Muay Thai. When i sayed we don't teach BJJ to non-brazilians i was saying we don't teach real BJJ ith malice to you. Same way you don't teach real JAZZ to us for exemple, or japanese don't teach real Judo. Like a martial artits brother, if may i recommend someting, search for Chute Boxe and Pitboys story early in the 90'. Oss from Brazil, bro. Wish you success on this project.
@@AnthonyJohnson-hs3xs Hahaha ok....
You clearly do not know Gracie Combatives.
@@fightingismylife6233 I've only briefly trained at a Gracie Baja in my city
@tyleredwards9382 I love Roger. But Gracie "combatives" is "real life" scenarios. So to say it doesn't work, I disagree. #1 Avoid a fight at all costs. However Id put an old school Gracie against any form of fighting. Form against form, my money is on the Gracie. Its harder to knock someone out than you think.
@@fightingismylife6233 I respectfully still take boxing and wrestling over what I know of Gracie but ya of course if you can avoid fights do that. I agree with you there
No one martial art does it all.
Muay Thai - with clinch and trips, comes close.
Wrestling + JiuJitsu is awesome.
You're wronmg bro.
@@eddiehazard3340 wrong about what exactly? What part of my vid are you referring to because I do talk about Muay Thai and the effectiveness of BJJ plus wrestling.... Maybe you didn't get that far
@@tyleredwards9382 the clickbait title, bro. the clickbait title. I rank it right up there with Rokas recent "JIUJITSU RUINED MY LIFE AND CRIPPLED ME"... just clickbait titles... bad info.. Of course, at least you are more on point in the video. But the title.. sigh.. much damage done.
@eddiehazard3340 we don't have to agree and the thumb nail and the title are designed for you to click but I do feel that in large BJJ is being falsely marketed as the best self defense martial art. As far as my info being bad I've been a martial artist for 20 plus years, competed, and coached so I don't really feel like I'm misleading with my information. It's cool that you don't agree though. Maybe you have successfully used BJJ in a real world scenario but I still think striking and wrestling is far superior for anything off the mat.
@@tyleredwards9382 I've also coached in my own gym..only 10 years..it was a Straigbht Blast Gym affiliated training group under Matt Thornton... Your title is just wrong bro. Every martial art says its the best one. Aikido says it. Boxing says it. Muay Thai says it. Krav Maga says it. Sambo says it. None of them are the best martial art (Possibly sambo...but..)
I agree striking and Wrestling are far superior...most def. I base most of my coaching around those two. Truth. But we sub wrestlers all the time, until they get bjj experience.. You just can't leave it out.
But the title is still misleading clickbait. (shrug) You want to make money on views - so you keep it. I get it. (shrug)
@eddiehazard3340 it sounds like we fundamentally agree if striking and wrestling are superior and my point is they are lying about it being the best use for fighting and more importantly self defense. I appreciate your educated input. As far as making money I haven't made a cent from TH-cam and film most of my content on my galaxy with my Temu ring light so I'm not really money motivated on here. Just want to entertain and educate when I can. I appreciate your opinion and engagement though.
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@@martinortiz1173 My Guy right here! ⚡
Jiu jitsu is amazing for self dedense, Brazillian Jiu Jitsu is the weak one
As a dude that trained traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu I tend to agree although I still maintain having hands and good footwork with balance and leverage is the best formula to defend yourself in a fight
@@tyleredwards9382 I think by Jiu Jitsu, he's referring to the true hybrid grappling art (submission grappling) that it's evolving into with emerging rulesets like ADCC and CJI. This is Jiu Jitsu, not the stereotypical, guard-pulling heavy BJJ.
Jiujitsu was never good 🙂
@@sirpibble ooof can't agree with you on this one
Bjj is a sport
@@markdaniels4178 I think it depends on who you ask I definitely think it started as a martial art but today ya it's been pretty commercially pushed as a sport
No its a martial art. People like you who think its a sport are the reason why BJJ has gotten watered down.
@JEFFMAN90 bjj is a sport
Bjj is a combat sport
Bjj is not self defense
Hahaha I love that I found the most trash show on youtube.
For sure lean into that vibe, everyone's always trying to be cool. This is a good change of pace
@@StevenOyston thanks bro! I appreciate the love! I don't have big TH-cam channel money so I'm trying to be a black belt with my ring light and Samsung for the content
@tyleredwards9382 Craig Jones built an empire with just charm and steroids, you will go just as far.
I’ll agree that Jiu Jitsu has become a sport rather then a self defense martial art system. However, I do it for the challenge. It’s still one on one physical battle between 2 men. Stand up skills most definitely are better in a fight on the street but an untrained person will most likely lose against someone that trains jiu jitsu. The argument about if the opponent has friends is moot in my opinion. You’re fucked regardless of what discipline you practice. The best defense is to not be there in the first place. I also think a Jiu Jitsu tournament or super fight is appropriate to be called a fight. The same with a wrestling match. If two people are in a physical confrontation then it’s a fight in my opinion. I don’t think the lack of blows makes it less of a fight. One is trying to subdue the other. Especially if the opponent is trying to break a limb or choke you unconscious.
@@Discipline_equals_freedom interesting take and I agree with most your points. The only push back id offer is wrestlers wouldn't call wrestling matches fights because they know it's a wrestling match and they also aren't referred to as fighters interchangeably like boxers, Thai boxers, mixed material artists and kickboxers are. Advancing position alone isn't enough to win a fight but it is enough to win in BJJ or wrestling but if that's your loose definition then it is what it is
@ no doubt wrestlers aren’t called fighters. It’s just my opinion that when 2 men are in a physical confrontation how isn’t it a fight. One fighting to control and dominate the other. Fighting each others body and strength. I’m talking at the core level not the accepted definition to which I agree with you. All I know is it sure feels like a fight when I’m rolling with dudes that could be my son. Jiu jitsu is frigg’n hard.