Lucifer can control everything god created and in some point creating his own multiverse as well. Beyonder or its race is outside of gods creation so nice match up.
Not even pre retcon beyonder is close, he is easy to trick and lucifer is a trickster by nature, and lucifer is outversal +++, pre retcon beyonder does not even dwells with the concept of different layers outside the multiverse. And nowadays beyonder falls inside the whole creation of the one above all, he is a being of the second cosmos i think, less powerful than the first firmament, nemesis, etc
Secret Wars/Secret Wars 2 Beyonder would absolutely take Lucifer, but since then, writers who've wanted their own turn playing around with the Beyonder have established some limits on the character and now he's not considered quite as powerful anymore, which still feels weird to me. Historically, Beyonder isn't exactly hard to trick either.
What kind of logic is that? A plot device can literally be a character and often is. If that's literally your argument than beyonder wins easily, because of op plot device. Beyonder is TLT level or very near and Lucifer is about the same equivalent.
Lucifer is second to The Presence in DC which is basically God. So even though The Beyonder is crazy powerful, Lucifer's power is far greater and incalculable.
Beyonder was his own universe, outside of TOAA's creation. A being who dwarfed the totality of Marvel like an ocean dwarfs a drop of water. In other words a character brought in to rearrange the entire hierarchy of Marvel. Lucifer gets absolutely stomped.
And you for getting that the beyonder is second only to one above all who is basically God so the feelings neutral except the beyonder is much more power he ai t no angel demon but way above that brah
There is still oblivion which I think beyonder cannot destroy because he represents nothingness of void plus he exist outside of omniverse Oblivion is a nice matchup for lucifer and angels
I think some of the arguments are fishy, the disco beyonder was simply an avatar which was sent into Marvel so that he could experience these limitations, his stamina drain was that of a limited avatar his true form which is the beyond realm is highest level of outerversal by least and arguably omnipotent at the fullest extent stated by Jim Shooter
Actually Lucifer morningstar can manipulate any reality If a reality is a multiple universe Lucifer can alter it. Even if it is an Omniverse. The only weakness he has he can't created Existence if only he get it from his brother Michael or permission from his father. Plus Lucifer morningstar is a walking talking and thinking anti life equation. Meaning he can control any Lifeforce and extra dimension entity against their will. Even if their know their being control, their are powerless to do anything about it. Just like the other gods. That Lucifer himself was supposedly to be powerless convince and manipulate multiple deities to killed themselves. 😊
Thanks for being honest about the Beyonder Most people pretend he's far weaker than he is People argue like crazy because they are determined he's weak 😂
LOL The One From Beyond is MILLIONS of times more powerful than every being in the multiverse COMBINED that's including Lucifer Morning Star, The Presence, and The One Above All
Lucifer is the most overrated DC character. His entire continuity is completely incompatible with mainline DC and has no place on it. "God" doesn't exist in mainline DC, The Presence is something else entirely.
Death and Lucifer are both Angels 😇 😈 The Beyonder killed and recreated death 💔 stop it 🛑 Beyonder low Difficulty Literally by accident with Morningstar going all out 😮
So who wins?You also didn't mention that Beyonder can instantly teleport himself and others into the Beyond Realm and he views the entire Marvel reality as a drop of single water compared to him meaning he has no limit in there.I think Pre Recton Beyonder wins if he teleport himself and Lucifer to the Beyond Realm because only Beyonder has power in there and Jim Shooter aldo stated Pre Recton Beyonder would defeat The One Above All inside the Beyond Realm.Nice match up keep making those.
@@AronGirma nice. Elaine seee the creation similar to beyonder as a size of an ant . The main strength of Lucifer is he is extremely cunning and manipulative
Not even pre retcon beyonder is close, he is easy to trick and lucifer is a trickster by nature, and lucifer is outversal +++, pre retcon beyonder does not even dwells with the concept of different layers outside the multiverse. And nowadays beyonder falls inside the whole creation of the one above all, he is a being of the second cosmos i think, less powerful than the first firmament, nemesis (lucifer would be above those)
@@princevegeta2715The context with Beyonder is his power is beyond TOAA, since Beyonder is his own reality separate from TOAA's creation. Not that he's a function of TOAA's creation who has power akin to his creator.
Probably is Lucifer controls anything that exists, in or outside the universe. He can delete anything or anyone even the thought or memory. If it exists, it was created, if it is created it's literally his domain. Lucifer is just stupid in terms of power. But also has literally all of time in wisdom and omnipotents.
No.Beyonder has The ability to alter anything that exists in reality but lucifer morningstar is a divine Being that exists outside of The very reality itself
The beyonder did what he did because he was curious of what the heroes and villains would do. Lucifer knows what theyre going to do. Yall need to stop with this "pre retcon" beyonder bs lol. I dont you guys know what retcon is at this point.
would be better if we had Lucifer Verus Legion with all minds, he as multiple people can lucifer read Legion mind control him would be better story think
And Beyonder exists outside creation plus he views Marvel creation as a drop of single water compared to his realm called the Beyond Realm and he is fully omnisient in Marvel omniverse and Beyond he stated it himself.
bro you just proved you dont know shit. calling him dumb? bro what? how tf is beyonder dumb, but lucifer isnt? beyonder would dog walk lucifer. you are just a dc fangirl
The Beyonder would absolutely obliterate Lucifer. The Beyonder exists outside of everything, including the box of ideas. We're talking about a character who was casually destroying alternate realities just by thinking too hard. He erased the concept of death from the multiverse and then recreated it. The Beyonder is a million miles above TOAA because he represents the Editor in Chief on-panel. The TOAA represents the writer/artist. The EiC has the final say in EVERYTHING that goes to print. Lucifer is barely on the radar here.
First off, the presence didn't create the DC universe. He was created by outside entities to monitor existence. The Presence has told luci that himself...
Power is nothing without control. The Beyonder is pretty stupid as a character like literally he's kinda dumb in IQ. He gets drunk, questions existence and he almost got trapped by Dr. Strange. He's not the smartest guy out there. Lucifer on the other hand, intelligence is kinda his thing. He's tricked God's into killing themselves even when Lucifer didn't have any powers. Batman, Ozzymandias, Lex Luthor and even John Constantine himself couldn't match Lucifers intelligence. He's too cunning and manipulatemanipulative, he caused the fall of humanity by deceiving Adam and Eve.
@BARDOCK550 Yep Hence why I said if it's on pure power bro lol Saying that... The fight is Beyonders to lose because the Beyonder does have the pure power advantage But I'm not ruling Morningstar out, I agree with ya he could manipulate himself a win, for sure It could go either way for these reasons But purely on power it's a fairly easy win for the Beyonder
@@BARDOCK550He does all this as a new born experiencing new sensations, it is no reflection on his power, just his new experiences. Read up on Secret Wars, it is batsht crazy, and there has been no other character written in a Marvel page that has come close to PRB, TOAA included.
@@BossAJS K if your gonna be like this then you do you but first, let’s address the fundamental difference between the two. The Beyonder, while powerful within the Marvel Multiverse, operates on a level that’s ultimately confined by the rules and structure of his own reality. He’s been outsmarted and defeated by beings like Doctor Doom and Molecule Man, both of whom are far below Lucifer’s caliber in terms of intellect and power. Lucifer Morningstar, by contrast, exists as a conceptual being tied beyond the narrative fabric of DC itself, operating on a metaphysical level that far surpasses the Beyonder’s raw power. 1. Lucifer is not defined by raw strength; his defining traits are his intellect, cunning, and mastery of cosmic manipulation. The Beyonder has repeatedly shown naivety about the complexities of existence, being arrogant and unaware of the multiverse’s deeper truths. Lucifer would easily exploit these flaws, using the Beyonder’s ignorance and arrogance against him. Lucifer’s ability to manipulate reality, people, and even gods ensures that the Beyonder’s sheer power would be irrelevant in their battle. 2. The Beyonder’s power might be immense, but it’s tied to Marvel’s multiverse and its limitations. Lucifer, on the other hand, transcends those concepts, as he operates outside the boundaries of creation. Lucifer’s very essence is linked to the will of the Presence, a being beyond all definitions of anything, making Lucifer untouchable in a way the Beyonder could never comprehend. Lucifer doesn’t just play within creation; he stands above it, rewriting the rules if necessary. 3. While the Beyonder has lost to beings like Doctor Doom, Lucifer has consistently outmaneuvered entities of immense power, including the very forces of Heaven and Hell. Lucifer doesn’t need to “outpower” an opponent-he defeats them by understanding and manipulating the very essence of their existence. This makes him leagues above the Beyonder, who relies on brute force and hasn’t demonstrated the same level of cosmic awareness. And even if if he wanted to, that’s much too vulgar use of power that Lucifer would just see as ugly. 4. Winning isn’t just about raw power. Lucifer operates on a level where power becomes irrelevant. He could manipulate the Beyonder’s mind, turn his power against him, or simply maneuver him into a situation where the Beyonder’s strength is useless. The Beyonder has shown vulnerability when his opponents exploit his lack of knowledge, and Lucifer’s intellect ensures that such vulnerabilities would be exploited flawlessly.
@@SpiffyYuh bro you said all that and decided to minimalize the beyonder lol. the fact you put lucifer "worlds about" proves it all. you are a DC fanboy, clearly. i mean google has 1000s or articles on this and most go either way. so the fact you think its not a competition at all when beyonder exists outside of everything but TOAA, proves all i need to know lol. lucifer gets waxed by michael.
@@SpiffyYuh no where online agree with you. you seem to think marvels 2nd in charge is worlds below dcs 2nd/3rd in charge lol. they are equal overall. one has more power, the other has more mind control/manipulation. but they both have everything lol. ill stick to it can go either way but beyonder can not be killed. lucifer can literally fail and get hurt when chloe is around lol.
@BossAJS alright wingnut, if you're soo smart why are you using TV show lucifer? Chloe isn't even in the comics, if comcis lucifer saw TV lucifer, he'd call him soft. Plus marvel doesn't really have an omnivse it just has outside realms. Dc, has an infinite amount of omniverses that lucifer sees as a pebble
If you equal the 2 universes, DC and Marvel, then this is over. Lucifer takes it. He is the second strongest in DC. The beyonder isnt the second strongest in Marvel. Not even pre retcon Beyonder was second strongest. If you are biased, you might argue for Beyonder.
Elaine sees the whole multiverse of dc just as beyonder sees of marvel …so yes I would say lucifer is slightly more powerful even…at his peak he even reached the overvoid
@ m saying it was definitely push lucifer but he wins…cos technically lucifer would win against Elaine but would be gravely hurt and the perspective and powers of Elaine is similar to Pre-retcon beyonder who also happens to be dumb so yes ..He most definitely will
@@zane01235 No, i am a MARVEL DC COMIC trash fan, here is how we write our "plots". *Gives a name to create some stupid cosmic entity completely out of the a$$* *What powers shall we give it? Ok, we gonna give immortality, omni present, omni this, omni that, infinite, mega, super, supreme, invincibility, reality manipulation, reality warping, atom manipulation, all sorts of particle manipulation, immune to pain, immune to magic, HAS magic, immune to bla bla bla* Plot: No need for plot, the powers themselves ARE the plot. Then we create some weaker beings, some with one or two of these traits and we are gonna make comic books and discuss forever who is better than others, while the guys making these comics are making real cash of something that doesn't exist while dorks be on the internet spending countless hours debating who is the best ! PS: And the comics created on diff universes are even more stupid, it's just recycling the same crap over and over again, it's insane. Delete this comment so the reality hurts you and you don't want to face it.
Lucifer can control everything god created and in some point creating his own multiverse as well. Beyonder or its race is outside of gods creation so nice match up.
Not even pre retcon beyonder is close, he is easy to trick and lucifer is a trickster by nature, and lucifer is outversal +++, pre retcon beyonder does not even dwells with the concept of different layers outside the multiverse. And nowadays beyonder falls inside the whole creation of the one above all, he is a being of the second cosmos i think, less powerful than the first firmament, nemesis, etc
thanks bro
@@wabuth5058Lucifer only dwells in god's sphere (4th dimension)
@@KimjohanJapon he has been to the overvoid beyond monitors sphere, to destinys realm and beyond.
@@wabuth5058 just because he travel to the void doesn't mean he dwells on it
Even Constantine can travel in another realm
Secret Wars/Secret Wars 2 Beyonder would absolutely take Lucifer, but since then, writers who've wanted their own turn playing around with the Beyonder have established some limits on the character and now he's not considered quite as powerful anymore, which still feels weird to me. Historically, Beyonder isn't exactly hard to trick either.
Yes
Beyonder: "i have more power in the tinniest electron in my pinky than your whole multiverse"
Lucifer wins. Lucifer is a actual character in comics. Beyonder is more a overpowered plot device.
What kind of logic is that? A plot device can literally be a character and often is. If that's literally your argument than beyonder wins easily, because of op plot device. Beyonder is TLT level or very near and Lucifer is about the same equivalent.
beyonder is in comics also man. not sure what the hell you are lying aboutl. lucifer gets dog walked
Lucy stomps with extreme prejudice
Lucifer is second to The Presence in DC which is basically God. So even though The Beyonder is crazy powerful, Lucifer's power is far greater and incalculable.
Beyonder was his own universe, outside of TOAA's creation.
A being who dwarfed the totality of Marvel like an ocean dwarfs a drop of water. In other words a character brought in to rearrange the entire hierarchy of Marvel.
Lucifer gets absolutely stomped.
@zane01235 no.
@@zane01235 lmao please stop talking Lucifer stomps on The beyonder all day everyday.
And you for getting that the beyonder is second only to one above all who is basically God so the feelings neutral except the beyonder is much more power he ai t no angel demon but way above that brah
@OthmanjuniorKitine He was going to be the new God lol...
There is still oblivion which I think beyonder cannot destroy because he represents nothingness of void plus he exist outside of omniverse Oblivion is a nice matchup for lucifer and angels
I think some of the arguments are fishy, the disco beyonder was simply an avatar which was sent into Marvel so that he could experience these limitations, his stamina drain was that of a limited avatar his true form which is the beyond realm is highest level of outerversal by least and arguably omnipotent at the fullest extent stated by Jim Shooter
Yes thanks
Pre Retcon Beyonder> Lucifer> Ivory King Beyonders> Post Retcon Beyonder
Lucifer shaped the DC multiverse, Lucifer has the morningstar power.
not really if he did would able do anything he wants so why there no stories of him you have go back 40 years ago
And beyonder realms is deep sea compare to thats marvel multiverse is just a drop water. Just imagine how many drop need to create whole ocean
Actually Lucifer morningstar can manipulate any reality If a reality is a multiple universe Lucifer can alter it. Even if it is an Omniverse. The only weakness he has he can't created Existence if only he get it from his brother Michael or permission from his father. Plus Lucifer morningstar is a walking talking and thinking anti life equation. Meaning he can control any Lifeforce and extra dimension entity against their will. Even if their know their being control, their are powerless to do anything about it.
Just like the other gods. That Lucifer himself was supposedly to be powerless convince and manipulate multiple deities to killed themselves. 😊
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Lucifer's power is definitely a game-changer in any battle scenario.
Beyonder is outside The multivese
Morningstar would wipe the floor with the beyonder
Are you out of your mind?
Thanks for being honest about the Beyonder
Most people pretend he's far weaker than he is
People argue like crazy because they are determined he's weak 😂
thanks bro
Will of Presence makes Beyonder his puppet.
true. thanks
LOL The One From Beyond is MILLIONS of times more powerful than every being in the multiverse COMBINED that's including Lucifer Morning Star, The Presence, and The One Above All
thanks
If it were a drip contest, it'd be a Tie IMO.
Lucifer takes this with high-extreme diff. He's smarter and more skilled. If it is beyonder(from beyond realm), beyonder would win with no-low diff.
Totally get what you’re saying! Both characters are super powerful,
@@JohnKaung-ck2wh nah if it is pre retcon lucifer mid dif, if its post reconned lucifer wins no diff
One correction TOAA is not a abrahmic god the abrahmic god in Marvel is just another skyfather level being.
Yes
Lucifer can go in and out of reality and everything that god created. that includes beyonder too
he is far far stronger than beyonder
Yes
Lucifer is the most overrated DC character. His entire continuity is completely incompatible with mainline DC and has no place on it. "God" doesn't exist in mainline DC, The Presence is something else entirely.
The presence is basically god in DC universe
@@Sion-No1The Beyonder is above God
Death and Lucifer are both Angels 😇 😈 The Beyonder killed and recreated death 💔 stop it 🛑
Beyonder low Difficulty
Literally by accident with Morningstar going all out 😮
thank you! these dc fanboys just dont know who the hell beyonder is. lucifer has many weaknesses. and nothing he can do would touch beyonder
So who wins?You also didn't mention that Beyonder can instantly teleport himself and others into the Beyond Realm and he views the entire Marvel reality as a drop of single water compared to him meaning he has no limit in there.I think Pre Recton Beyonder wins if he teleport himself and Lucifer to the Beyond Realm because only Beyonder has power in there and Jim Shooter aldo stated Pre Recton Beyonder would defeat The One Above All inside the Beyond Realm.Nice match up keep making those.
@@AronGirma nice. Elaine seee the creation similar to beyonder as a size of an ant . The main strength of Lucifer is he is extremely cunning and manipulative
10:32 there's your answer
Not even pre retcon beyonder is close, he is easy to trick and lucifer is a trickster by nature, and lucifer is outversal +++, pre retcon beyonder does not even dwells with the concept of different layers outside the multiverse. And nowadays beyonder falls inside the whole creation of the one above all, he is a being of the second cosmos i think, less powerful than the first firmament, nemesis (lucifer would be above those)
@@princevegeta2715The context with Beyonder is his power is beyond TOAA, since Beyonder is his own reality separate from TOAA's creation.
Not that he's a function of TOAA's creation who has power akin to his creator.
It's always great to hear different perspectives on these epic matchups. I thanks
Probably is Lucifer controls anything that exists, in or outside the universe. He can delete anything or anyone even the thought or memory. If it exists, it was created, if it is created it's literally his domain. Lucifer is just stupid in terms of power. But also has literally all of time in wisdom and omnipotents.
Lucifer is mephisto in marvel and the beyonder kicks mephistos ass so the beyonder wins
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
No.Beyonder has The ability to alter anything that exists in reality but lucifer morningstar is a divine Being that exists outside of The very reality itself
Lucifer could talk Beyonder into killing himself and if he can't Lucifer will put him down or talk him into leaving.
True, Lucifer could probably sell ice to an Inuit! If anyone can turn the tables on the Beyonder, it's definitely the Prince of Darkness himself.
beyonder is Infinite dimensional
Lucifer is beyond the concept of dimensionality
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The complexity of these characters is what makes discussions like this so interesting!
Another great DC/Marvel match up between two op powerhouses. I’m going to go with Lucifer for the win
Thanks! Lucifer definitely has some incredible abilities that could give him the edge in this matchup.
@ Don’t mention it I couldn’t agree more with you
The beyonder did what he did because he was curious of what the heroes and villains would do. Lucifer knows what theyre going to do. Yall need to stop with this "pre retcon" beyonder bs lol. I dont you guys know what retcon is at this point.
thankls
I love people crying in comments defending Beyonder😂😂😂😂
much like the dc fan boys saying lucifer would win? bro cant do ANYTHING to beyonder. so im confused where he'd win?
@BossAJS 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Lumina-sd1en nice tears
Beyonder wins
Lucifer Morningstar is just to smart and manipulative
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! It’s always interesting to see how different characters' traits influence their battles.
this isnt a human fight. his smart bs does not matter. there is nothing he could do to beyonder. he could try, but nothing would happen.
would be better if we had Lucifer Verus Legion with all minds, he as multiple people can lucifer read Legion mind control him would be better story think
Yes thanks bro very
Lucifer would win. Not because of his omniscience only, but because as long as he is in creation
And the Beyonder is outside creation plus he views Marvel creation as a drop of single water compared to his realm called the Beyond Realm.
And Beyonder exists outside creation plus he views Marvel creation as a drop of single water compared to his realm called the Beyond Realm and he is fully omnisient in Marvel omniverse and Beyond he stated it himself.
nope Beyonder wins still
Lucifer is not omniscience
He got tricked by the basanos
Lucifer wins. I think he actually toys with the beyonder to amuse himself before destroying him.
Imagine Lucifer saying, "Hey Beyonder, let me show you a magic trick... it's called 'I win!'" 😂 The guy just loves to have fun!
Lucifer wins. He is highly manipulative and would never loose to someone as dumb as beyonder
EXACTLY so true 😊
bro you just proved you dont know shit. calling him dumb? bro what? how tf is beyonder dumb, but lucifer isnt? beyonder would dog walk lucifer. you are just a dc fangirl
@@BossAJSu didn’t disprove anything he said
@@337-Dfrmdazay he didnt say anything honest so theres nothing to disprove lol.
@@BossAJS u called Lucifer dumb. U mad a dishonest point
The Beyonder would absolutely obliterate Lucifer. The Beyonder exists outside of everything, including the box of ideas. We're talking about a character who was casually destroying alternate realities just by thinking too hard. He erased the concept of death from the multiverse and then recreated it. The Beyonder is a million miles above TOAA because he represents the Editor in Chief on-panel. The TOAA represents the writer/artist. The EiC has the final say in EVERYTHING that goes to print. Lucifer is barely on the radar here.
First off, the presence didn't create the DC universe. He was created by outside entities to monitor existence. The Presence has told luci that himself...
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Mike Carrey already debunked that lies
Read the sandman dream of the thousand cats so you can get an idea
one above all vs lucifer morningstar
thanks
easy clap for TOAA. yall dc boys need to stop. there is not a single power lucifer could muster to touch TOAA.
Purely on power the Beyonder wins with ease
Power is nothing without control. The Beyonder is pretty stupid as a character like literally he's kinda dumb in IQ. He gets drunk, questions existence and he almost got trapped by Dr. Strange. He's not the smartest guy out there. Lucifer on the other hand, intelligence is kinda his thing. He's tricked God's into killing themselves even when Lucifer didn't have any powers. Batman, Ozzymandias, Lex Luthor and even John Constantine himself couldn't match Lucifers intelligence. He's too cunning and manipulatemanipulative, he caused the fall of humanity by deceiving Adam and Eve.
@BARDOCK550
Yep
Hence why I said if it's on pure power bro lol
Saying that... The fight is Beyonders to lose because the Beyonder does have the pure power advantage
But I'm not ruling Morningstar out, I agree with ya he could manipulate himself a win, for sure
It could go either way for these reasons
But purely on power it's a fairly easy win for the Beyonder
@@BARDOCK550He does all this as a new born experiencing new sensations, it is no reflection on his power, just his new experiences.
Read up on Secret Wars, it is batsht crazy, and there has been no other character written in a Marvel page that has come close to PRB, TOAA included.
Lucifer extreme diffs. This dude at his peak reached the overvoid
True
Lucifer schools him
Beyonder would ultimately win this
True, but I wouldn't count Lucifer out just yet! I mean, he is the ultimate "morning star"
I think Lucifer is just leagues above the beyonder, so I dont think its gonna be hard for him at all
how is he leagues above? there is nothing he could do to beyonder. beyonder is #2 in marvel. keep lying
@@BossAJS
K if your gonna be like this then you do you but first, let’s address the fundamental difference between the two. The Beyonder, while powerful within the Marvel Multiverse, operates on a level that’s ultimately confined by the rules and structure of his own reality. He’s been outsmarted and defeated by beings like Doctor Doom and Molecule Man, both of whom are far below Lucifer’s caliber in terms of intellect and power. Lucifer Morningstar, by contrast, exists as a conceptual being tied beyond the narrative fabric of DC itself, operating on a metaphysical level that far surpasses the Beyonder’s raw power.
1.
Lucifer is not defined by raw strength; his defining traits are his intellect, cunning, and mastery of cosmic manipulation. The Beyonder has repeatedly shown naivety about the complexities of existence, being arrogant and unaware of the multiverse’s deeper truths. Lucifer would easily exploit these flaws, using the Beyonder’s ignorance and arrogance against him. Lucifer’s ability to manipulate reality, people, and even gods ensures that the Beyonder’s sheer power would be irrelevant in their battle.
2.
The Beyonder’s power might be immense, but it’s tied to Marvel’s multiverse and its limitations. Lucifer, on the other hand, transcends those concepts, as he operates outside the boundaries of creation. Lucifer’s very essence is linked to the will of the Presence, a being beyond all definitions of anything, making Lucifer untouchable in a way the Beyonder could never comprehend. Lucifer doesn’t just play within creation; he stands above it, rewriting the rules if necessary.
3.
While the Beyonder has lost to beings like Doctor Doom, Lucifer has consistently outmaneuvered entities of immense power, including the very forces of Heaven and Hell. Lucifer doesn’t need to “outpower” an opponent-he defeats them by understanding and manipulating the very essence of their existence. This makes him leagues above the Beyonder, who relies on brute force and hasn’t demonstrated the same level of cosmic awareness. And even if if he wanted to, that’s much too vulgar use of power that Lucifer would just see as ugly.
4.
Winning isn’t just about raw power. Lucifer operates on a level where power becomes irrelevant. He could manipulate the Beyonder’s mind, turn his power against him, or simply maneuver him into a situation where the Beyonder’s strength is useless. The Beyonder has shown vulnerability when his opponents exploit his lack of knowledge, and Lucifer’s intellect ensures that such vulnerabilities would be exploited flawlessly.
@@SpiffyYuh bro you said all that and decided to minimalize the beyonder lol. the fact you put lucifer "worlds about" proves it all. you are a DC fanboy, clearly. i mean google has 1000s or articles on this and most go either way. so the fact you think its not a competition at all when beyonder exists outside of everything but TOAA, proves all i need to know lol. lucifer gets waxed by michael.
@@SpiffyYuh no where online agree with you. you seem to think marvels 2nd in charge is worlds below dcs 2nd/3rd in charge lol. they are equal overall. one has more power, the other has more mind control/manipulation. but they both have everything lol. ill stick to it can go either way but beyonder can not be killed. lucifer can literally fail and get hurt when chloe is around lol.
@BossAJS alright wingnut, if you're soo smart why are you using TV show lucifer? Chloe isn't even in the comics, if comcis lucifer saw TV lucifer, he'd call him soft. Plus marvel doesn't really have an omnivse it just has outside realms. Dc, has an infinite amount of omniverses that lucifer sees as a pebble
Except persent " god" he is strongest ... but not byonder is not jumber 2 ... so lucy win .
Lucifer is beyond the Beyonder
PRB >>>>> both TOAA and Presence.
If you equal the 2 universes, DC and Marvel, then this is over. Lucifer takes it. He is the second strongest in DC. The beyonder isnt the second strongest in Marvel. Not even pre retcon Beyonder was second strongest.
If you are biased, you might argue for Beyonder.
Yes thanks
Elaine sees the whole multiverse of dc just as beyonder sees of marvel …so yes I would say lucifer is slightly more powerful even…at his peak he even reached the overvoid
So you're saying Lucifer could just swipe left on Beyonder and call it a day? 😂
@ m saying it was definitely push lucifer but he wins…cos technically lucifer would win against Elaine but would be gravely hurt and the perspective and powers of Elaine is similar to Pre-retcon beyonder who also happens to be dumb so yes ..He most definitely will
Beyonder is more like Dr manhattan to me
So im pretty sure Lucifer from DC woulf actually win against Beyonder
That makes sense because you know nothing about beyonder
I vote for wolverine in the shiny spacesuit to win.
Their both bad so who cares
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Lucifer EZ
Oh naw 😭
Lucifer could arguably win even without his powers 😂 since Beyonder is pretty naive and dumb tbh. Lucifer is too cunning and manipulative
Plus Lucifer is the second most powerful being in DC the beyonder isn’t even close to the most powerful in Marvel. No contest
I’m a Beyonder fan boy but even I know that Morningstar wins.
Haha, I love that you're a Beyonder fan but can still see the truth! Morningstar just has that unbeatable vibe, right?
DC, Marvel and comics are complete garbage, sh*ttiest written, looking characters and the plots are just garbage.
Pure American trash...
Are you a OPM fan? You know, with the power to one punch any opponent?
thanks bro
@@zane01235 No, i am a MARVEL DC COMIC trash fan, here is how we write our "plots".
*Gives a name to create some stupid cosmic entity completely out of the a$$*
*What powers shall we give it? Ok, we gonna give immortality, omni present, omni this, omni that, infinite, mega, super, supreme, invincibility, reality manipulation, reality warping, atom manipulation, all sorts of particle manipulation, immune to pain, immune to magic, HAS magic, immune to bla bla bla*
Plot: No need for plot, the powers themselves ARE the plot.
Then we create some weaker beings, some with one or two of these traits and we are gonna make comic books and discuss forever who is better than others, while the guys making these comics are making real cash of something that doesn't exist while dorks be on the internet spending countless hours debating who is the best !
PS: And the comics created on diff universes are even more stupid, it's just recycling the same crap over and over again, it's insane.
Delete this comment so the reality hurts you and you don't want to face it.
We're all adults here and you're a little child.
@@thealterist9762 Yes you are adult AF reading fkin comics lmao
Must be by American standards that is