Quick Test For Identifying a Bad Ignition Coil (Toyota Tundra)
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- These testing methods are very basic and can be applied to any car. Even without the ability to monitor misfire data, you can use trouble codes as your guide.
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Your videos have been a blessing to my life as well Danner! Never doubt that what you do has meaning my friend! And thanks for all the sharing in this comment string all! Touching stuff shared here! Peace to all of you.
How to tell it’s a secondary misfire is some good info. Looking back in diagnosing secondary misfires I noticed now they fit the description of how they’re characterized. Thanks for the video!
This was a great learning experience for me. I have the same 04 tundra but with the 6 cylinder. I also have the same problem, misfire on 2. When I got the truck, I was told that a plug blew so I bought the taping kit and took care of that part but I can get up in the morning and take the truck to the grocery store and it’ll run fine until I try to leave. It’s cross your fingers time! I did order everything I need, except plugs, they are new, to change them all.
I wish y’all were here in Lafayette, La., I certainly would be leaving my truck with you guys. I’m disabled and this is going to be hard labor for me and I have no one to help with it.
Thanks again. 17:13
Don't rule out a plug issue too. New means nothing these days.
i love this kind of work system where guys talks over to what the issues were and what to do about it...
People don't seem to understand that the main reason you can get it done so fast is because of the advanced tools and knowing how to use them. So when you call a technician, you're actually paying for his expensive investment in tools and his long hours he dedicated to training... and honestly, by the time you consider the drive time to get there, picking up all your tools, and the driving time it takes to get to the next job-- You've burned more than that hours pay, even if it only took you 30 mins to nail it down. When I did construction repairs, I always told them there's a 2 hour minimum; and I usually had 5 guys and charged $35 per guy. It's not even worth dragging out all the tools for less than that.
wow thanks for the supplemental explanation, really clarifies what SD already said... basically you want to get paid 1000$/hr for swapping coils. makes total sense.
@@rickdeckard1075 yep.. got'em
I always enjoy watching your diagnostic and learned something new thanks brother
This is a great example of seeing the forest through the trees for us DIYers. Why search for the coil connector diagram and then try to back probe or poke connector wires.....when you can change the suspected with another. Occam's razor can be the best tool sometimes.
Hey Paul I am back haven't watched any of your videos in quite a while just due to some different issues and having watch this when it reminds me how much I love watching you your diagnosis and your interactions with your son I think of my four favorite TH-camrs for automotive repair your number one buddy
Thanks so much and welcome back! You'll really like what my son Caleb has been doing with the edits. Professional level stuff imo
Good stuff Professor. Gotta intermittent misfire on a 2011 Sentra. The coils are under the intake manifold, whatta pita. Oh well that's the way the ignition coil crumbles. Happy Motoring.
Diagnosis time = tools & training are not free.
We need more tools & training continually.
Don't feel bad if it takes 5 minutes.
Simple but foolproof diagnosis.
You dan i’ve been watching you for years, and even though a lot of new guys have come behind you, i feel like you inspired them.At any rate good video, i’m actually going through this on my 08 vue 3.6…..Thank you!👍🏿😂
There are a lot of guys in the TH-cam automotive community who got there start with me 😊
Thank you! (My name is Paul Dannet btw)
Sometimes I feel pretty proud of myself, this would have been an easy diag for me, what I would consider common sense, but then theres times you diag things that are so out of my expertise its mind blowing. Working on a dodge Durango SRT 8 misfire issue now, not gonna lie, its kicking my butt. I can unplug 6 cylinders, injectors or coils doesnt matter which ones, and it doesnt make a differnce in the way it runs, also has perfect compression, perfect fuel pressure, all 8 injectors and coils have been tested, cam and crank sensor have been replaced, no change. We'll see what monday brings. Ate my lunch today
How are you testing the coils and injectors? Lab scope with an amp probe would be key
@@ScannerDanner injectors I bench test with a machine. Coils i used a kv tester to jump spark
Thats why I love snap on, don't have to mess around looking for info elsewhere
Thank you. And thank you Caleb
Great video buddy. I’m sold buying your book and getting the premium video subscription
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Paul/Caleb/Danner,
Another great video - thank you!
Paul (in MA)
Thanks a lot team Danner it's always great watch ignition problems
Love you how stress the point about why we charge for diagnostics cost at the end. Where is the best place to buy your book? Is it only available online?
From my website at www.scannerdanner.com
Thanks! I have an eBook and paper book
Paul you don’t normally use a HT extension to grab a secondary wave form, I thought I’ve seen you use one? Or back probe into the signal wire? I swap too i like ATS cause it’s fast like the snap on to get set up. I hate 4 wire coils lol
I have them, just didn't feel like hooking all that up 🙂
Love it, really quick diag😍
Thanks for sharing SD👍
Special Thanks to Caleb & James Danner👍
Stay Safe Guy's❤
hey danner I am very lucky to be one of danners watching you from Sudan
welcome my friend!
Don't feel bad about the diagnostic time,, I had to charge one hour diagnostic time just to let air out of a tire,, but that's what happens when it has twice the air pressure It should have in it, check engine light on ABS light on stability control light on TPMS light on
Sounds like it must have been a Honda.
Nice work, thanks for your videos!
Hey! At 4:23 where did you go to access all that data from the snap on scanner????!
When I cant get a reading on my modis edge with a COP Probe setting due to insulation I switch it to the mA scale and can get a decent signal to view. LMKYT
I almost replaced a ECM on a corolla because of no injector pulse #1Cyl from the ECM. The car would hardly move. I switched coils in case the ECU turned of the injector due to misfire code. The misfire and no injector pulse pulse moved with the coil. Replaced 1 coil. The car then was drive able but the #4 coil misfired under load. Then i had a 352 code in another coil. At first i only had a 301 and 1604 code. Replacing the battery fixed the 1604. The battery would drop from 12.6 to 10v with a headlight load. no voltage drop in the cables. Batteries don't seem to last 3 years anymore.
Just like going to the doctor. that will be 125.00 how will you be paying cash or charge card.
My generic OBDII scan tool counts misfires, not on a color touchscreen of course, but it was only $99
What if you did a current ramp on the coil(s)? Do you think you could’ve caught the miss with that?
Most likely not. Some secondary issues can be seen in a primary current ramp pattern but most cannot
Thank you for this video!
Great video Paul Danner
Worth every penny
Great video, great information, how come no one does a diesel MAF diagnosis? Like 4 gen Ram. looking forward to more knowledge!
Thanks for the video
Please tell me you stuck O2 sensors in it ??
Nope, downstream O2 faults (no downstream fuel control) and customer didn't want to spend the money
All a good sensor is going to do is tell the computer that the Cats aren't working.. if they're even there anymore. So what's the point?
Throttle actuator represents potentiometer thus its slider is accustomed issue. Just replace it with healthy one. To be honest I don't get what does ignition coil swap impact on engine performance. The issue just changes its residence, but still remains uncleared?
The misfire moved with the coil, it needs a coil.
The app code could have been set from previous hands under the hood, why would you change a perfectly good part without knowing?
@@ScannerDanner oh yes! Since the misfire has changed its location upon coil swap, it represents the solid proof of bad coil existence! Could the error codes uploaded obtained on the device be false? If so, this check testified coil issue.
@@khatokhato9350 yes, remember my brother was in there and had the fuel rail out twice for injector leaking issues. This is why clearing the codes, advising the customer on what we found was the best next step for that app code. The main issue was fixed which was replacing two coils
@@ScannerDanner Yeah I appreciate the value of your kind directives you passed me. Things are getting explicit.
@@ScannerDanner when you say 'misfire ' I reflected you were referring to accidentally swapped wires on the coils. But as I got later you were referring to failed coils. 'Failed firing' instead of misfire could be more relevant.
You are cool and good and like your video
Thanks Paul. Waiting for more videos . KIKE de taller Pit Lane Costa Rica.
I have a 1995 Maxima. Can you tell me what causes a weak spark( the spark is yellow). Can timing cause a weak spark? Thanks.
Yellow spark being weak spark is an old wives tale. When testing for spark with a small air gap, the spark will look yellow.
How far the spark can jump is the true test. Most should be able to jump almost a 1 inch gap when tested from the coil
We have years of experience , classes and training. Add in tens of thousands in tools. Cost of owning a shop or mobile service. There has to be a minimum charge just for looking at the problem. Doctors , lawyers and other suit people get paid for their time. We should be no different.
If anything, our jobs are harder. We cannot talk to our clients. We deal with owners who are not always forthcoming or third party with a scanner.
Paul, does your state even have emissions testing requirements? Also what is your opinion on the coils? If 2 are bad the rest will follow due to aging?
I would be checking the plug gaps but they claim to have new plugs in it.
We do and I would fail if the cat is missing like I assumed.
As for the coils, the owner just changed them all, but they were not new as you could see. No reason to sell all 8 but that'd be up to you.
Funny, that currently if the O2 sensors are bad, seeing that gas in my area is $5 a gallon, I would think for the sake of somewhat better fuel milage running a V8, the customer, you would think when presented to the customer they would have that fixed.
These were downstream cat monitoring only O2 sensors on this model. No fuel trim control based on them
@@ScannerDanner got it, they essentially they just monitor?
@@midnight-xpress1136 on this model and on most yes, but there are some (when a wideband O2 is used upstream) where the downstream can be used for some fuel control as well
Wow sounds like a 70's El Camino.
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Whats your opinion on walker o2 sensors vs bosh and others for jeep grad cherokee I know you said bosh sometimes is not compatible with chrysler and can cause problems from the gate ?
For Chrysler systems that use the PWM heater circuit you MUST use an NTK sensor or equivalent. All I can tell you is the Bosch sensors won't cut it here. They make good sensors, just missed the boat on these applications
@@ScannerDanner I ended up using the walker from oryleys over the bosh and no problems the bank 1 sensor 1 came back and long term adaption went back down from flatlined at 32 now at 3.9 so rough running is gone. O2 sensors seem to be one of the common checks for rough runners for me!!! Good day sir and good luck on the new vids
@@wrightsrrt871 sweet! Good to know, thanks for the info
Will the autel pick up miss fire's to .
My Autel BT906 will show misfire counters. Love it!
Yes sir
@@ScannerDanner thanks danner
Brothers, I have an 03 Sequoia that has a key ignition switch issue that I had fixed and now the immobilizer will not let the vehicle start. I do not know what to do about it. I have original key. I am the owner with the title buy the way. How do I get my vehicle to recognize the key again? It has 300,000+ miles on it but ran very strong before I pulled the ignition key switch.
It will need programmed
Just wondering what an Ohm test on the coils would have revealed..??
It would have most likely measured good. A resistance test of high current devices like ignition coils is often very inaccurate
how much does he charge an hour?
I hate when people complain about price. I always get signed approval on a written estimate, they know/knew the price up front! lol The think I am just pocketing that cash check or cc bill...businesses cost money to run. Fed, state and local taxes together make more per-hour than I do some times.
what snapon scanner are you using
Verus Edge
Wow, impressive!
I am surprised that tundra did not trigger coil code. That is what Toyota normally would trigger. Toyota many times will trigger coil code before any misfire actually. Interesting.
It’s likely that those coils are Amazon specials or knockoff eBay densos. Really common for these UZ engines. I went cheap for my sequoia a few years back and tried them. Got misfires within 10k miles. Dropped the big bucks on some legit densos and no problems for the last 65k.
Negative battery post could be cause of that misfire
So where do I get the Mitchell wire diagrams ? For 20 dollars? I believe
www.eautorepair.net/marketing/html/products.asp?VID=&Count=Y
Nissan has them buried under the exhaust. You have to take it apart and re assemble to try this test.
swapping coils is what I do at the dealership.
Might as well replace them all depending on mileage
They key is communication with your customer and clearly defining "needs" and "suggested"
@@ScannerDanner completely. If he installed all new coils I’d be wanting to put new oem ones back in. These days with this aftermarket garbage parts from new
@@terrybarkman3219 those definitely were not new, new to him maybe right? lol
pay the man!
📷 man very impressive 🎥 🎞 take care thank you 📷 man
KNOWLEDGEABLE Sir ScannerDanner
Thank you very much,take care Sir ScannerDanner
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
Awesome!!!
yo danner. my brother apparently went to school with you.
What's his name?
@@ScannerDannerboth Jim and Dan . I can't do last names here since it's the open internet
Good work I'm Pakistan
My work car maknical but and you best working what are join me and please tell me
How much first hour diagnostic
That depends on where you live and the market but I believe my brother charges around $120 for a typical diagnostic
@@ScannerDanner in AZ. Yes I'm sure u guys r in a different state also. But just needed that info. Also which state u guys in for diagnostic work. Please if u don't mind me asking. I always c that u and ur brother do excellent work to make sure u find the problems and fix it for customers.
What is the fee on electrical Paul $90
I dont charge my brother, but I believe he charges 120 for up to 1 hour of diag time
Как много текста, разговоров и пафоса в простейшей диагностике.
Lolololmfao, this guy got all kinds of grease all in that car lol...
It's grease all over the steering wheel and door panel lolololmfao...
This has happened to me one too many times, smh, wear gloves...
Now the upholstery needs to be cleaned, smh, lolololmfao...
whatever keyboard warrior
@@ScannerDanner 🤣 Truth hurts doesn't Scammer Dan...
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lol ;)
You're brother playing a role or does he really can't do basic troubleshooting?
No role playing, he just has 20 more cars in the lot waiting to come in and I was there for another one, so he wanted me to look at this while I was here
@@ScannerDanner You guys make a great team.
"quick test for identifying a bad ignition coil"...17 minute video
😅 that's quick for an SD case study
That's call swaptronics not testing
You don't know what to swap without testing first 🙂
The whole point in swapping is to TEST if the problem will move with the coil or stay on the same cylinder. Every fork in the road is another test.
That's called testing. Now he knows that the wiring to the coil is good. The injector is not the issue and the plug is firing. After this simple test he has direction.
Great videos I have recently purchased 2007 Toyota tundra 5.7 motor It has been at the Toyota dealership for 3 weeks 1st they told me I had water in my yes now very tell me I have 5 Coil packs that are not working How is this possible to have a perfectly running vehicle all of a sudden one day takes a s*** Irene on 2 cylinders on left side to on right side Any suggestions I would greatly appreciate PS pretty sad Toyota dealership cannot figure it out The Tech has been working on toyota for 25 year's thanks in advance
Quick test ? Lmao buncha garb
Was that silver bullet you were searching for not fast enough for you? Wrong channel. Scott Kilmer is probably a better channel for you
Just a heads up on a 2017 dodge journey for example , using an Autel scan tool , I had to exit specific make model and enter global OBD II to view misfire counts in mode 6. The data in mode 6 was plain English and I would just enter, exit and re-enter to get updated counts. Might be worth a shot on other vehicles that do not give misfire counters in live data
As always thanks for teaching Scanners Danner 🙏
Great Video as always Paul…
Used this test many times to verify coils
had a ford focus the other day I diagnosed with a bad coil put a coil off a f250 on so the customer can drive without a misfire until the oem coil showed up lol
something to keep in mind is low quality coils can cause issues such as voltage hits to ecm
please refer to ATS-Bernie Thompson for his case study on a 2010 Patriot with shitty coils causing issues…
Jordan
Great down n dirty diag. Nice when you can get to the coils/plugs... To bad you couldn't get a secondary waveform capture with that probe. Would have been cool for the video.. But hey not necessary in this case. Another awesome video Danner's!👍
Soo fun Guy you are
Great job Paul. By the way, how much cost a diagnostic like that. I’m a beginner diag guy here in Brazil, so this info can help me to figure out a fair rate.
As I said in the video, we charge a flat diagnostic fee whether it takes 5 minutes or 60
Figure the typical shop rate in your area, start out under that and as you build clients and get busier than you have time for....then you can raise the price. Just make sure you are profitable, saving for emergencies and expenses, and paying you taxes.
15:50 not to disagree but my $90 Autel battery tester / scanner shows misfire data from Toyotas just fine...
That's awesome
That was way more than a couple of years ago. I think
2019 I believe
I charge .5 to connect my Scanner. Tool updates ect are expensive. Minimum 1 hr diagnosis. So their automatically looking at 1.5 hr for diag. If you don’t like it go down the road. & I don’t care what the parts store or TH-cam told you
Very great case study I would swap coils aswell
Comment about diagnostic fees...
Way ok with it .. experience counts x10000s 5 minutes or 50 minutes accuracy is appreciated. Greatful for car fix didn't get charged diagnostic fee .. surprised by that....So what does a good customer do ??? She sends 3 x large pizzas from the companies favorite pizza place to thank the employees 😊😊😊😊 truth 😊😊😊
raw fuel from misfiring from a crappy coil can fault out an O2 sensor
Sure can
We're the plugs good?
Or changed?
I like to do a visual on the plug as I swap.
So there are COPs that cannot be scoped with an "induction" probe ???
So, the Renault 207 COP I could not get a signal out of last week to save my life might have been one of them ? Nurse!!!! I want to go home now! Please remove this Prozac IV.
COP coil on plug - sometimes will burn right through the insulation .
Also if you can remove the insulation , you can see the spring that goes from the coil to the plug , is arcing .
That cheap spring is designed to fail .
COP is actually a lie , there has to be something between the two ; it use to be a high quality spark plug cable .
Now it is just a cheap spring
Rewatching and just wanted to comment.
I've done coil swaps and the misfire goes away.
Then it's down to close up visual inspection for arcing, burn marks, corrosion on the spring or plug tip etc
And resistance checks.
And spark plug inspection.
I've been lucky & sometimes you talk them into plugs & coils bc they were installed at the same time originally, usually, and go bad near same times.
Excluding external damage etc.
Bad plugs ,makes bad coils. I agree Gregory Fairchild
@@overload3996 I try to tell people that all the time. If you throw a new coil on a bad plug you may just fix a symptom not the problem. A few months later you may smoke that coil again.
@@Troy_Built yes, also new wires over carbon tracked plugs.
There are always those variables when you start touching things. Intermittent problems can be the worst!
@@ScannerDanner could you better clarify this please.
Did u hear that ? Its gone ...its back.....when u rev it so it about ignition....
Big love
I say even if they call you in to test the battery, if they call you in, it's worth your time.
a next great one teacher. Question working on customer vehicle changing timing belt. but discover that crankshaft seal leaking ,should I charge for it too.
Yes but not for free.
Coil can be ok , the connection between the coil and plug can start to arc
Drinkin and wrenchin,-- drivin and scannin.. oh, the life!
Damn, that truck is rough. If I was a coil in that truck, I'd let go too. Lean cylinder stress those poor guys out?
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Scanner danner you are a true inspiration to us all. Because of you I've got a hole new outlook on how to work on my vehicles. So much so I've even bought a 2204a pico scope. I know it's not what you work with. But I'm eager to learn with what I have. I've seen alot of your videos and have learned alot. Thank you so much for what you do keep up the great work. Any advice you can give me about the scope I've got and what do you think my limits would be at this level in the game. Thanks again God bless
Thank you Dave!. Really appreciate this comment
About the pico, please post this to my forum, it's free to join and we can get you some more info on that model pico. I personally am unfamiliar with it but I've heard of issues with non automotive picos being used on a car
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I can get secondary waveform on toyota/lexus coils even using a relay with the resistor cut off. You could probably make it to adapt onto a wand style but i just hold the relay windings on the side of the coil and it picks up secondary
I also use the bosch type relay on toyota and Honda, heck even on spark plug wires
cool but what is wrong with truck that it burns the ignition coil
@scannerdanner. When you dont think your posts matter sometimes...Im here to tell you "they do"! I dont post but do watch you videos often. I have a 16' F150 and getting misfire under load. Saw the code P0305 (cylinder 5). I swapped the coil to number 4. test drove it, and the code moved to number 4. BAM. Ordered new coils and saved me a ton of money plus the satisfaction I get from doing it myself. There are so many people that do the same from your videos. Keep up the great work and a big THANKS!
Great diagnosis. Sometimes this is the quickest way to isolate a misfire. What would you recommend Paul for a good scanner to read live misfires? I know Ford has their "Forscan" software that can be used on a laptop. Is there a tool that works good across all manufacturers?
Forscan is Ford specific, but not done by Ford. It was created by a russian gentleman, and is no longer able to process payments due to the sanctions on Russia. Forscan lite for Android was still able to be purchased a couple of months ago and works well on Ford products, but I can't compare it to the full Forscan since I can't purchase a license for the computer anymore.
The misfire counters is manufacture specific, so it's not just based on what scan tool you're using.