Doctorate vs Masters | What Can a Psychologist Do That a Masters Therapist Can't?
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Thank you for making these videos! I am applying for some PsyD programs this years and your videos have been really helpful.
Glad they can help 😊and good luck on your journey!
Congrats on your engagement! And thank you for the simple contrast to PsyD and MA.
Great video! I appreciate that it was quick and to the point. I’m finishing up undergrad with a major in psychology, and I’m seeking out all of the knowledge that I can to decide on my next steps. Also, congrats!!!
Glad the information was helpful. Good luck on your journey 😊
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Thanks babe for always supporting me and my journey 🫡🌻
Love the video. One thing to note is that Texas is one of the few states I’ve seen that has full licensure for those without a doctorate. I’m in Michigan and you can only get a limited license.
California does as well. This state requires 3,000 supervised clinical hours before you can sit for the licensing exam. This will allow you to use the credential of LPCC (licensed professional clinical counselor).
You can become fully licensed in MI but need to complete a certain amount of supervision hours and complete the exam. I am fully licensed as a LMSW/LCSW.
Yay for videos coming back!! I always love learning new things, even if its something im not personally going towards as a career. Miss you terribly!!
Thank you Treana 😊! I always appreciate the support.
I got accepted to a PsyD program after completing my MS in clinical psychology; however, I decided not to go due to the cost of this particular doctoral program. I may try again in the future, but tbh, I am getting my supervision as an intern, and I’m set to make six figures (gross, not net) without getting the full pay ( a lot of supervised positions will do a split of the insurance reimbursement, so you might get 60-70% of what the insurance pays while your supervisor gets 30-40% of it). I can only imagine how much I’ll make as a fully licensed LMHC/LPC (LMHC in FL but I’m moving back to GA which calls the same license an LPC). I am interested in neuropsychology, and enjoy testing but the time to become a board-certified neuropsychologist is CRAZY. I kinda wanna just start my life already. I’ve already been in school forever lol. Also, I currently work as a psychometrist so I’m getting the testing experience without the responsibility of a clinical or neuro psychologist. The thing that sucks is I always wanted the doctorate (or thought I did), but I think my priorities have changed now that I’m no longer 18-20. Only thing that might be better imo is being able to do testing for a couple hrs and getting the same pay as a master’s level therapist does in a week seeing 15-30 clients (depending on your pricing). I’ve found that the mental health field doesn’t pay all that well at all unless you’re in private practice (which is what I’ll be doing). For some reason, our field is not as highly valued even tho mental health can affect literally every aspect of one’s life, including physical health. Anyway, I’m off my soapbox.😅😂thank you for the insight in your video!
I agree. I think it’s good to keep your priorities in mind while making these huge decisions. And awesome job of being flexible 😊. Appreciate your comment.
Yeah, I definitely cried when I decided not to go😭,but I think I made the right decision for the season of life I’m currently in.
Thanks for the info. Just started my grad program and this was very informative.
Thank you this really helped! I diddnt really want to do another 5 years and since a masters allows you to do so much I’m just going to do that!
Leo thank you for being so encouraging!! There are so many videos of ppl that already have their phd but are so discouraging and then I look up jobs and they all require those degrees!! 😅gonna start applying and see what happens!
You’re welcome ☺️ and you know what’s best for you and your goals. I wish you the best on your journey.
Becoming a therapist will be the only way to patch together my own personal life since my mom was meddling
AHHHH I just moved to Austin and am an lpc associate (SO close to being done) considering UT’s doc programs! This is just what I needed!
Yayy, he's back. Thank you!
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Thanks for the advice ! I’ll keep it in mind ❤
This was nice and succinct.
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Loving your channel, hope all is well💗
Thank you 😊. It’s going okay haha. Taking it one step at a time. Just feel like I never clock out. You know!
I can’t decide between LCSW or LMHC my end goal is children’s mental health and child life specialist.
Somthing to consider is what license is more recognized by the public in your area. Here in Texas, LPCs, LMFTs LCSWs , and LP are the standard. I’ve never heard of a licensed mental health counselor before, and most agencies won’t say in their job description they are looking for an LMHC here in Texas. TBH it’s almost always LPC or LMFT.
With that being said. It’s also what you want to focus on and your job duties. LCSWs primary focus and training are case management and looking at the system; with a secondary focus on psychotherapy and counseling theories . Whereas the others put more emphasis on counseling theory.
It comes down to how you see your role and helping
Hi! Can you list some good as well as practical PsyD programz in the US? thanks :-)
Hi there Leo! I am a student pursuing my Masters in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. I wanted to know if after completion of my graduate program, I can do my PsyD in clinical psychology and since I do not have my masters in the same, how challenging would/could it be to be shifting more towards the neurological realm. I would also like to understand if there is any particular concentration I should be taking if I plan on doing my PsyD in CP. Thanks in advance for the response. Appreciate the help
Hi 👋🏽 yes you should be good. Most PsyD program require a masters in a closely related degree. Clinical mental health counseling should fit that requirement. As for concentrations, that honestly depends on the places you apply to. I’d recommend looking at the PsyD programs brochure to get a since if what kind of candidate their looking for, contact a current graduate student in the program, and give the training director a call or email to ask questions.
Hello, I currently go to school in Texas and will be doing my post graduate studies soon here as well. I’m not interested in research but more of a clinical practice, which leaves me with 2 choices: MA in Clinical Psychology or a PsyD in clinical psychology. I know that here in the state of Texas if you pursue a MA in Clinical Psychology you qualify for an LPA license. I also know that if you meet certain criteria you’re able to practice independently as an LPA. My question is, if this is the case what’s the difference between a PsyD and a masters degree? Wouldn’t they fall under the same thing? I’m so confused lol. I hope you could help and thank you for the video!
Hi 👋 sorry I’m getting back to this so late. You might have gotten the answer you are looking for but I’ll still chime in lol.
So first off, you don’t need to go through a clinical program to be an LPC, LMFT, LCSW, etc. you can also go through a counseling program and also be a LPC, LMFT, LCSW, etc. I feel like the main thing people talk about is clinical programs but you can achieve the same goal with a counseling program. As long as they both are accredited. A PsyD is a doctorate degree. The main goal is to be a psychologist vs a therapist/counselor. So you’ll sit for a different licensure exam. When you graduate with a PsyD and pass the EPPP you’ll be a licensed psychologist (LP). When you graduate with a master you’ll take an exam for your specific license you want and were prepared for and would be called whatever licensure exam you’ll sit for. Hope this helps :)
It was helpful! Thanks :)
I want to study a bachelor's degree in psychology, but I am worried about what jobs will be waiting for me to get a bachelor's degree while I complete my master's or doctorate?😢
I feel you. I think some sacrifices might have to be made. Especially if you want to go for your masters or doctorate. If you truly are passionate about getting your masters then I’d say it’s worth being at a job you aren’t as passionate about as a stepping stone to get you to where you want to be.
Also it could be a good time to get some experience in other areas to grow and add to your application
@@leoscaletta5098 Thanks for your response
I will work on that
But I think it is stupid that there are no jobs for graduates of a bachelor’s degree in psychology, even though it is a general specialty, but it is not an excuse. Look at medicine, for example.
I agree! Im not sure why they don’t teach us theory, the practice of psychotherapy, treatment planning, case conceptualization, and practicum in those four years. If they did maybe they could make the masters more for specialist that want you to work with certain matters or populations. This is why new people need to come and conversational are had to push our field forward and reevaluate the system
Hello Leo,
Firstly i d like to thank you for all your videos, they are very informative.
Adding on, i just want to know if having a masters in clinical psychology is eligible for counselling?
As well as, does a masters in counselling qualify for a PHD in clinical psychology?
Thanks in advance
Usually doctoral programs require a masters degree in psychology or a closely related discipline of at least 45 semester hours from a regionally accredited institution. So, clinical psychology or counseling would be fine. Just depends on which one would fit the program more.
My PsyD program favors counseling psychology.
If you’re asking if you can provide counseling services after your masters in clinical psychology, then yes, as long as the program is accredited and prepares you to sit for a licensure exam (e.g lpc, LMFT, lcsw, etc)
Thanks for sharing!!
Hi my name is Andre Paul and I am currently a student enrolled in a psychology master’s level program at Rhode Island College. The program is research oriented but I am actually not solely interested in research.
I want to get my master’s degree and become counselor/therapist. Can I still become a therapist or a counselor with a master’s level degree in Psychology?
You might have your check with your state, but from my experience your program has to be an accredited program to be able to sit for your licensure exam.
Im from MA, if you wanted to be a therapist youd have to get a masters in counseling or a masters in social work. (LMHC - licensed mental health counselor, LSW - licensed social worker, or LMFT - licensed marriage and family therapist) all of these are three separate schoolings and different degrees. At the end of completing your masters in either one of these fields, you then have to do an apprenticeship for 1-2 years in order to later become licensed. Otherwise if you wanted to stick to masters in strictly psych, you would have to wait until your PHD or Psyd in order to become licensed and able to be an actual therapist. Masters in psych does not lead to becoming a therapist. Id speak to an advisor at your school to help you further.
@@dancedancedance2458 okay thank you so much this was very helpful. I wish I knew this prior because I assumed that anything psychology related would get my to counseling. I also very interesting in the CMPC or becoming a sports psychologist.
Great thank for the extra info. But again just checking with your state because here in Texas we don’t have to do an “ apprenticeship” we just have to gather 3000 hrs under a supervisor before being fully licensed
@@leoscaletta5098 thats actually what i meant, i didnt realize i was using the word apprenticeship loosely lol, woops
Thank you for this video. What are you called if you only have a masters? Can you only call yourself a psychologist if you have a doctorate?
In the US you can’t call yourself a psychologist unless you have completely your doctorate and have taken the EPPP. With a masters degree, you would use the title of the license you could sit for depending on your master (e.g LPC, LMFT, LCSW, etc). But there are places like in Mexico where you can call yourself a psychologist with just a masters.
Thank you for the video im still deciding if i want to go for my masters in clinical psychology and be a therapist or go for the psyd and be a clinical psychology i want to mainly do counseling so the masters seems appealing but i also want to be more well rounded and learn as much in psychology im in my 3rd year for my bachelor's degree in psychology
If you want to get the most out of psychology then a PsyD can be a good route. But yes you’re right if the end goal Is to see clients you can already do that with a masters and license. Good luck on your journey :)
Thank you very much for this video, I had a question while watching this video, is the supervision course included in the university program or not? Does that mean you don't pay extra money to the supervisor? Because in my country, the supervision course is not part of the university program and we have to pay extra money and get a supervisor after finishing our studies, which means that in my country, apart from the university tuition, we have to pay for the supervisor as well. I wanted to know Is your country the same?
It’s included in our course work. Unlike electives that you must pay for on the side, the supervision course is mandatory to also be accredited by the APA here in our country. So no, we don’t pay any extra money. I hope that answers your question 😅😊
thank you so much
Do you know if you can get licensed as a LPA then get the credentials (get your doctorate) and just upgrade your license without taking the EPPP again?
Not in Texas. You’ll need to go through a doctorate program as well. But check your states licensing board to be sure.
Thank you
Do they still have those clinicsl case studies
Not sure if this answers your question, but you look at a lot of clinical case studies for different things and classes. You don’t have to “staff a case” to get into the program if that’s what you mean, but during the program you will look at a lot of cases and be asked to come up with treatment plans, a diagnosis and differential diagnosis, do program evals, supervision, etc. you also sometimes look at clinical case examples at your practicum sites sometimes.
Love your video, Leo! Can one become a counselor or therapist with a master's in Counseling Psychology? I am currently a software engineer in India, and I want to pursue a master's in psychology abroad. However, I don't have any plans for a doctoral program. So, would a master's in psychology be sufficient, or is a doctorate mandatory?
Yes you can become a licensed therapist with just a masters degree. Just make sure the program is accredited 😊👍
@@leoscaletta5098 Thank you so much for your response 🙌
Hey please help me out
My question
Is it compulsory to complete graduation from canada only to get license in future???
I’m sorry my friend, I don’t understand your question. Are you asking if you need to graduate in order to get a license?
@leoscaletta5098 i m indian so i am asking is it compulsory to complete bachelor degree in canada only for getting psychologist license in canada??
I see, unfortunately I’m not familiar with Canada’s requirements. I’m in the United States.
This is really timely. Thank you for making this video .
I'm interested in MA Clinical psychology. ( any suggestion what area of clinical psychology at Masters level.)
Also, can you do a video on the other trainings a graduate of Masters in clinical psychologist can do if they don't have the time and money to study a doctorate degree.
I'm a prospective international students.
Lastly do you review SOP?
Thank you.
My advice is to find an area that you’re passionate about. There is so much you can do and areas in the filed you can explore that it’s worth maybe doing a video on. Thank you 😊
@@leoscaletta5098. I appreciate. Can't wait for the videos. Thank you for your great knowledge sharing platform.
Good Video
What of dream interpretation?
Dream interpretation can be a topic of discussion within a therapeutic conversation depending on the goals of the client. How you navigate the conversation will greatly depend on your theoretical approach. Typically, psychoanalysis and Jungian therapist do more dream analysis. Or I should say, being it into therapy without the client asking. I personally believe if the client would find it helpful to talk about dreams then we can explore them rather then Me making them talk about them.
Therapists can at least listen even if they don't know much about what goes on there. But people who have been doing that work more then 10 years tend to have a lot of experiences.
Hi! May I ask if having a Masters Degree (RPsy) can work abroad? Thankss!
Good question! I’d suggest making a list of all the places you’d like to apply to, then give their department a call and ask. Each program is different so calling would be best 👍
@@leoscaletta5098 okayy, thank you so much!
Hi Leo, I am a Texas resident and trying to apply for my Masters program in Counselling psychology. I am however a little confused about what is it the difference between pursuing clinical psychology and counselling psychology in terms of the course and in practice. I have been watching a lot of stuff online to see what differences lie and similarities b/w the two but I still stand confused as to if we 'diagnose' in the counselling program and assess or that is just in clinical psychology. Also, does clinical psychology program have an edge over counselling psychology in practice or in essence, it is the same. I am not able to find a lot of schools that offer the clinical psychology program in texas-some suggestions would really help. Thank ypu :)
Not from Texas so take this with a grain of salt. In general, clinical psychology will focus on the pathology of mental health. You would focus more on people’s DSM diagnoses and people with SMI (Serious Mental Illness). As well it will be more psychology focused (which is different from a counseling focus). Counseling is more interested in providing the treatment. Counseling has its roots in post WW1 and WW2 helping combat veterans adapt back to society, whereas psychology is rooted in philosophy in its origin and then became entangled with the medical community. Counseling, in its origin, has a more biopsychosocial holistic model of viewing the world and psych would have a more medical model. However, a lot has changed since the 2000’s. These programs have become more and more similar as research has continued to show that counseling theories are secondary to the counselor themselves and, most importantly, their clients. Now many programs will give a broad view to best prepare clinicians. There will be elements of social work, psychology, counseling, and systems therapy.
ALSO! Be very careful, the most important information you need to find is whether or not the program is accredited to provide you adequate educational requirements for licensure.
Sorry for the late response. But yes! @ohsnaptacular gave a great description and history. What that means for your training and program will be reflected in your course work. Clinical programs might make you take more classes or practicum sites that focus on psychological testing. “Clinical” psychologists usually find themselves at VAs or hospital setting due to the amount of testing and assessment. Whereas “counseling” psychologists might find themselves at University counseling centers or community counseling centers due to more of an emphasis on counseling/therapy. But as the previous comment stated, they both learn the basics of each and if the program is accredited then you should leave feeling confident to do both.
Do they still have kraken exams to get phd
I’ve never heard of “Kraken exams” before. So, I’d assume no 🤔
Thank you for this! I love to learn but also am not interested in testing... i'm not sure what to choose :(
Testing is a small part of it. You learn so many different things. Whatever you choose, make sure it brings you joy and are passionate about it. It will help you get through the rough times
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