Thank you Matt for featuring me on the show! It's a real honor. When I made the video, the season hadn't been concluded yet, so congratulations on twelve years of Welcome to the Basement as well!
Youre thinking of the movie Holiday Inn also starring Bing Crosby (and Fred Astaire) which has the first appearance of the song "white christmas"... thats the movie with the blackface scene.. White Christmas came after
Muppet Family Christmas is the best Christmas movie. We watch it every year at home: Fraggle Rock, Sesame Street, and Muppets all in one movie. Swedish chef singing Christmas carols, it's magical.
One of my absolute biggest pet peeves in movies is when a parent doesn't have a lot of free time to spend with their family, but it's because they're making sacrifices for the sake of their family, and the family just doesn't give a shit. And oh man, _A Muppet Family Christmas_ is my absolute favourite. Be careful of the icy patch!!
That was a super popular trope in 90s-00s movies. Tropes don't usually pop up for no reason so I guess the Gen X'ers-Boomers in the industry really had some angst about the previous generation being away so much? Iunno. Might be overthinking
I don't think it's about "angst", it's what writers do to enlighten kids about adult issues...you have to show examples of characters doing things kids might not like and then show them why they're like that, which offers some sort of wisdom to learn from a story. These days, you're not allowed to show any characters doing anything wrong in kids movies, unless they're some cartoonish 2D villain to just plain villainise, therefore no wisdom can be taken from a story. Like in the 90s I remember tons of tv shows having characters being weird about certain kinds of folk in society (to therefore learn and grow and change from...) which would not just be seen purely at face value and labelled as something bad and dismissed like today. In reality, you can't impart any kind of real wisdom and understanding of others without having characters that aren't just perfect role models. A character has to do things that can at least be seen as wrong or actually be wrong, in order for the character to then be shown learning why they are wrong to do or think something, therefore helping offer some insight to the audience into other people different from you. This is non-existent in tv or movies now because everyone is basically now conditioned to just see things at face value, judge them instantly and dismiss them. The only kinds of story this is in any way done now are very adult movies and shows about genuinely awful people, and it's oddly kind of only explaining why the worst kinds of mind end up that way, as if almost excusing and even glamorizing genuinely awful behavior. I also find a lot of even kids stuff now covertly celebrating villains and empires and "dark sides", which is the opposite of most movies in the past which were almost always about celebrating goodness.
There's sacrificing for the family, and then there's putting other things before the family. If I was in Mr. Frost's position, my reaction to being asked to cancel my holiday plans at the last minute would be: "Um, this is rather sudden, and I've got plans with the family. Can't we set this up after Christmas?" And if the answer was no, with no sympathy or explanation then I'd be concerned about what I was signing up for. How else are this people going to butt into my life at the worst times and expect me to just roll with it?
Muppet Family Christmas is my absolute favorite and frequently quote jokes from it. The TH-cam version I wat Ch has about ten seconds of a news promo over the credits taking about teenage overdoses lol
Muppet Family Christmas is my number one nostalgic Christmas movie/special. Had it on a tape with Willy Wonka and the Pee-wee’s Playhouse Christmas Special.
i think you were confusing white christmas for holiday inn, both christmas movies starring bing crosby. both have minstrel numbers but only holiday inn has blackface. minstrelsy was still loud and proud when white christmas came out, but blackface was beginning to be understood by white audiences as problematic, so even though the minstrel number in white christmas isn't fullout blackface, it still perpetuates racist stereotypes
I bought a DVD of “Holiday Inn” when I was in college (20 years ago) I remember watching that blackface scene and being jarred. Thankfully Bing was not an actual racist, but that number (in honor of Lincoln’s birthday!) was pretty…. wow
I remember my mom finding the DVD of Holiday Inn at Walmart after her mom had passed. She said it was grandma’s favorite Christmas movie, and mom hadn’t seen it all the way through (and I had never heard of it). Needless to say we were horrified, and definitely had questions about grandma
I remember when I watched Blair Witch shortly after it was released to video --- I was on a road trip with a bunch of my college friends and we convinced one of my roommates that it was actual found footage. Her reaction was hilarious!
Blair Witch. Watched it in my dark basement in my house in the woods. It was night time out. Scared me. Probably the last time I've been scared by a movie.
Apollo 13 didn't see it, lived it. Had to watch it for days, not knowing if the astronauts would live or not. Then the final reveal of the damage and saying how the heck did they survive?
I was hoping for the mutant killer snowman movie of the same name, but this will do. Seen it? God of Gamblers. You'll never look at mahjong the same way.
wow this movie is WAYYYYY older than i remembered. I thought this was an early 2000's bit, not old enough for Clooney to have ducked out to play BATMAN.
What are the rules of the reanimated snowman? From knowing that the harmonica brought him back to suddenly at the end he knows how to make himself human again. Was he figuring it out while having his monologue earlier?
I think the thing that The Blairwitch Project did worked exactly once. I thought it was really scary but found Paranormal Activity just silly. I did however grow up in the sticks and as any such kid you have at some point gotten lost in a forest, which can be genuinely scary. I have however never been afraid of apartments or demons. Even though this clearly is rationalization after the fact it makes it hard to tell if PA was just bad or not for me.
Jack Frost seems to conclude as though it were a version of 'It's A Wonderful Life' where George Bailey still dies at the end anyway. Very strange decision.
I don't remember Blair Witch scaring me but it did unsettle me a bit, and I don't think I'd seen that type of film before, the way it was shot made it very effective and I guess set off a whole subgenre of found footage in the mainstream for a little while. What bothered me more was that it encouraged bad faith attempts to make Blair Witch into something it wasn't. Not talking about people just trying to spook people out, but the sort of disingenuous "they're not telling you the whole truth" kind of stuff that we see a lot more often today. I guess if I wanted anyone to make a lifelike practical snowman it'd be the Henson company
Weirdest thing about this movie is that they have the guy die only when he decides to "do the right thing". What a weird message. If he had just continued to be that father that prioritizes work over family, he would have still been alive and a much better father than a dead one.
Passing off a franchise to someone else I get, but a major exception to this rule is George Miller. I don’t think anyone will make a Mad Max movie like he can
Fun Fact: This came out the same time as a DTV horror film also called Jack Frost which also about a man resurrected as a snowman, but kills people. It's fun, but there's a very poorly aged scene in it.
So was this like half a talent bomb? I mean, you had Michael Keaton, Kelly Preston and Mark Addy, and even the kid, Joseph Cross, went on to some pretty respectable roles. It's probably not got quite so much power to qualify. Maybe a talent grenade?
Can you imagine going through your entire life randomly hearing a phantom harmonica and you can't make it stop? I don't think that car crash was an accident...just sayin'.
I had bad motion sickness as well during The Blair Witch Project. Probably due to the fact that I ate 2 entire pounds of gummy worms during the showing. Not a scary movie at all.
Slightly disappointed it wasn't the other equally bad, but far more entertaining and far less family friendly "Jack Frost" that came out about the same time.
Think the best solution to stuff with blackface or whatever is to just have an edited version that you can opt into. Even make that the default version. I just can't help but feel like censorship like that is doing more harm than good, in the long run. Have to accept the past, warts and all.
Thank you Matt for featuring me on the show! It's a real honor. When I made the video, the season hadn't been concluded yet, so congratulations on twelve years of Welcome to the Basement as well!
Holiday Inn has the black face scene for Lincoln's birthday, not White Christmas.
Youre thinking of the movie Holiday Inn also starring Bing Crosby (and Fred Astaire) which has the first appearance of the song "white christmas"... thats the movie with the blackface scene.. White Christmas came after
You beat me to the punch
Muppet Family Christmas is the best Christmas movie. We watch it every year at home: Fraggle Rock, Sesame Street, and Muppets all in one movie. Swedish chef singing Christmas carols, it's magical.
I'd like to think Jack Frost's Snowman soul now haunts the Overlook Hotel.
9:10 he’s from the Stormlands of Westeros
I like that Matt and Adam decided to color coordinate their outfits for this episode
the spanish tagline is even funnier, its literally "papa is a snow doll"
All that’s running through my head now is “🎶Papa is a rolling snooooww….🎵”.
One of my absolute biggest pet peeves in movies is when a parent doesn't have a lot of free time to spend with their family, but it's because they're making sacrifices for the sake of their family, and the family just doesn't give a shit.
And oh man, _A Muppet Family Christmas_ is my absolute favourite. Be careful of the icy patch!!
That was a super popular trope in 90s-00s movies. Tropes don't usually pop up for no reason so I guess the Gen X'ers-Boomers in the industry really had some angst about the previous generation being away so much?
Iunno. Might be overthinking
I don't think it's about "angst", it's what writers do to enlighten kids about adult issues...you have to show examples of characters doing things kids might not like and then show them why they're like that, which offers some sort of wisdom to learn from a story. These days, you're not allowed to show any characters doing anything wrong in kids movies, unless they're some cartoonish 2D villain to just plain villainise, therefore no wisdom can be taken from a story.
Like in the 90s I remember tons of tv shows having characters being weird about certain kinds of folk in society (to therefore learn and grow and change from...) which would not just be seen purely at face value and labelled as something bad and dismissed like today. In reality, you can't impart any kind of real wisdom and understanding of others without having characters that aren't just perfect role models. A character has to do things that can at least be seen as wrong or actually be wrong, in order for the character to then be shown learning why they are wrong to do or think something, therefore helping offer some insight to the audience into other people different from you. This is non-existent in tv or movies now because everyone is basically now conditioned to just see things at face value, judge them instantly and dismiss them. The only kinds of story this is in any way done now are very adult movies and shows about genuinely awful people, and it's oddly kind of only explaining why the worst kinds of mind end up that way, as if almost excusing and even glamorizing genuinely awful behavior. I also find a lot of even kids stuff now covertly celebrating villains and empires and "dark sides", which is the opposite of most movies in the past which were almost always about celebrating goodness.
There's sacrificing for the family, and then there's putting other things before the family. If I was in Mr. Frost's position, my reaction to being asked to cancel my holiday plans at the last minute would be: "Um, this is rather sudden, and I've got plans with the family. Can't we set this up after Christmas?" And if the answer was no, with no sympathy or explanation then I'd be concerned about what I was signing up for. How else are this people going to butt into my life at the worst times and expect me to just roll with it?
You're forgetting Mark Addy's most famous role. Fred Flintstone in The Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas!
Matt definitely confused White Christmas with Holiday Inn. It's such a weird scene.
Wow Matt, you're amazing. You are truly magical to be able to use French to translate Spanish 😂.
This is the only way I wanted to “watch” this movie. Thank you both for taking it for all of us.
Full Monty guy was also the Robert Baratheon from Season 1 of Game of Thrones.
also the guy from A Knight's Tale
Also, the dad on the sitcom, Still Standing, costarring Jami Gertz. Ran for four seasons.
@13:00: Snow problem Charlie. ☄️
❄️❄️😅😆😂🤣🙃 ❄️❄️ 🔥 ☃️🔥
Yeah, Mark Addy.. The Full Monty, this... and nothing else! Seven Hells, Matt!
Right he was in Knights tale too.
Great seeing Adam on here. He did such a great job.
Just watched this last night for the first time, did not expect the plot to be what it was.
Adam, the legend of the pun-derdome, was meant for this episode
Adam's normal speaking voice is about 15% away from a killer Michael Shannon impression.
Totally loved David's video at the end!
Muppet Family Christmas is my absolute favorite and frequently quote jokes from it. The TH-cam version I wat
Ch has about ten seconds of a news promo over the credits taking about teenage overdoses lol
I like to watch this movie followed by Jack Frost 2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman (00) and pretend it's a direct sequel, lol!
That was a nice Thanksgiving film
Muppet Family Christmas is my number one nostalgic Christmas movie/special. Had it on a tape with Willy Wonka and the Pee-wee’s Playhouse Christmas Special.
Merry Christmas!
My favorite Christmas movie is Muppet Family Christmas! We recorded it off tv in 1988 (with commercials).
The most unbelievable element of this movie is that a major record label wants to sign a bar band full of middle aged dads
Adam! A pleasantly unexpected surprise! 😊
Great episode!
I really liked the jokes and puns. Must be the purple shirts.
"It Happened on 5th Avenue" is really good. Capra was supposed to direct it, but he blew it off to direct IAWL. Give it a shot.
happy holidays adam
I saw the title and first thought this was going to be about the horror film where Jack Frost goes around killing people.
Ken Mattingly (aka "the guy who couldn't go") just passed away back in October. He was definitely as much a part of saving Apollo 13 as anyone.
i think you were confusing white christmas for holiday inn, both christmas movies starring bing crosby. both have minstrel numbers but only holiday inn has blackface. minstrelsy was still loud and proud when white christmas came out, but blackface was beginning to be understood by white audiences as problematic, so even though the minstrel number in white christmas isn't fullout blackface, it still perpetuates racist stereotypes
I came to say this to be fair is a fairly easy mistake to make
I bought a DVD of “Holiday Inn” when I was in college (20 years ago)
I remember watching that blackface scene and being jarred. Thankfully Bing was not an actual racist, but that number (in honor of Lincoln’s birthday!) was pretty…. wow
Was just looking to see if this comment was made
I remember my mom finding the DVD of Holiday Inn at Walmart after her mom had passed. She said it was grandma’s favorite Christmas movie, and mom hadn’t seen it all the way through (and I had never heard of it). Needless to say we were horrified, and definitely had questions about grandma
Black face isn’t really that problematic. I think we can all agree on that now
Mark Addy was also in "A Knight's Tale" with Heath Ledger. And, I kind of like the sitcom he and Jamie Gertz starred in as well.
🎵Papa was a man of snow...wherever he laid his ice was his home...and when he died, all he left us was all cold🎵
we grew up with a claymation christmas taped from tv and also had some real 80's tv gems 😊
Ahh man I thought it was the killer snowman one
Seen it: Dead Man's Shoes (2004)? It's quite a thing...
Adam! Did he edit this one? :P
Adam looks like a certain Welcome to the Basement Hall of Famer. Seems like weve had an unexpected Shandangdo in the basement.
I can’t believe Randy Newman created a song for yall!! 😂
My favorite line - Matt, "Jesus, these kids are monsters." Amen brother
I have the same shirt Adam is wearing ha
I remember when I watched Blair Witch shortly after it was released to video --- I was on a road trip with a bunch of my college friends and we convinced one of my roommates that it was actual found footage. Her reaction was hilarious!
Now all I want to do is writed a "Papa was a man of snow" paraody song to the tune of "Papa was a Rolling Stone".
I think this would make a great double bill with 2017's The Snowman. Who's with me?
*Papa Was a Man of Snow*
*Whenever he laid his hat on his dome*
*And when he diiiieeeed*
*he…* came back as a snowman that looks like George Clooney
When snowman dad showed up I remembered what this movie was
The snowman looks like the Gilbert Gottfried smoke alarm commercial.
“The more smoke I see, the more noise I make!” [Proceeds to cough up a lung.]
@@Gappasaurusyou got it!
@15:26:😯
Blair Witch. Watched it in my dark basement in my house in the woods. It was night time out. Scared me. Probably the last time I've been scared by a movie.
Apollo 13 didn't see it, lived it. Had to watch it for days, not knowing if the astronauts would live or not. Then the final reveal of the damage and saying how the heck did they survive?
This came out around the same time as the horror movie Jack Frost. I rented both as a kid. This one is a tad better.
Wait hold on, theres a BLACKFACE scene in White Christmas? This is my favorite Christmas movie, how the hell did i miss this?
I was hoping for the mutant killer snowman movie of the same name, but this will do. Seen it? God of Gamblers. You'll never look at mahjong the same way.
This movie seems like such a snooze that not even Henry Rollins as a semi-unhinged hockey coach can motivate me to watch it...
MR. SNOW MOM
"Jack Frost 2.
A new Dad"
I’ve watched white Christmas a few times over the years had no idea it had a black face musical number
that was in the movie Holiday Inn
wow this movie is WAYYYYY older than i remembered. I thought this was an early 2000's bit, not old enough for Clooney to have ducked out to play BATMAN.
Adam reminds me of Michael Shannon a little bit)
Apollo 13 is one of the only movies I could ask any guy if they like, and the answer is always yes. It's just perfect unlike Jack Frost.
What are the rules of the reanimated snowman? From knowing that the harmonica brought him back to suddenly at the end he knows how to make himself human again. Was he figuring it out while having his monologue earlier?
László Kovács worked on this movie. That means there's one degree of separation between this movie, Easy Rider, and also Ghostbusters
I know you dont normally talk about tv shows, but what do you think about Columbo? In my opinion, it's one of the best TV shows ever
Jacks buddy Mac is King Robert Baratheon
I think the thing that The Blairwitch Project did worked exactly once. I thought it was really scary but found Paranormal Activity just silly. I did however grow up in the sticks and as any such kid you have at some point gotten lost in a forest, which can be genuinely scary. I have however never been afraid of apartments or demons. Even though this clearly is rationalization after the fact it makes it hard to tell if PA was just bad or not for me.
There will be no mention of snowmen in this car. Henry Rollins
I am dismayed that you didnt mention Henry Rollins being the hockey coach
He was great as Capt Davenport in A Soldier's Story
Now do the other Jack Frost.
Was that... Henry Fucking Rollins... in Jack Frost???
Jack Frost seems to conclude as though it were a version of 'It's A Wonderful Life' where George Bailey still dies at the end anyway. Very strange decision.
I don't remember Blair Witch scaring me but it did unsettle me a bit, and I don't think I'd seen that type of film before, the way it was shot made it very effective and I guess set off a whole subgenre of found footage in the mainstream for a little while. What bothered me more was that it encouraged bad faith attempts to make Blair Witch into something it wasn't. Not talking about people just trying to spook people out, but the sort of disingenuous "they're not telling you the whole truth" kind of stuff that we see a lot more often today.
I guess if I wanted anyone to make a lifelike practical snowman it'd be the Henson company
Weirdest thing about this movie is that they have the guy die only when he decides to "do the right thing". What a weird message. If he had just continued to be that father that prioritizes work over family, he would have still been alive and a much better father than a dead one.
Passing off a franchise to someone else I get, but a major exception to this rule is George Miller. I don’t think anyone will make a Mad Max movie like he can
White Christmas definitely did not have a black face scene in it.
This is an adorable film, but I prefer the horror version of the same name.
Fun Fact: This came out the same time as a DTV horror film also called Jack Frost which also about a man resurrected as a snowman, but kills people. It's fun, but there's a very poorly aged scene in it.
So was this like half a talent bomb? I mean, you had Michael Keaton, Kelly Preston and Mark Addy, and even the kid, Joseph Cross, went on to some pretty respectable roles. It's probably not got quite so much power to qualify. Maybe a talent grenade?
Polish Bob Dylan LFG
Can you imagine going through your entire life randomly hearing a phantom harmonica and you can't make it stop? I don't think that car crash was an accident...just sayin'.
Dissing Robert Baratheon, I will not hear of it sir lol
I had bad motion sickness as well during The Blair Witch Project. Probably due to the fact that I ate 2 entire pounds of gummy worms during the showing. Not a scary movie at all.
Henry Rollins.... Hockey coach
i thought Jack Frost was a horror movie.
Slightly disappointed it wasn't the other equally bad, but far more entertaining and far less family friendly "Jack Frost" that came out about the same time.
Did Matt just allude to the opinion that the Star Wars sequels weren't absolute shit?
Oh, it's the family Jack Frost & not the horror/comedy one.
I always get this and the horror version of Jack Frost (1997?) confused. They're both equally terrible and ridiculous.
Henry Rollins would be the best coach
Think the best solution to stuff with blackface or whatever is to just have an edited version that you can opt into. Even make that the default version. I just can't help but feel like censorship like that is doing more harm than good, in the long run. Have to accept the past, warts and all.
Butt Boy???
It honestly doesn't look that much like Clooney either
shake my head at Matt's poor accent recognition. Europe? Too broad, sir! He's from Lichtenstein of course!
I just watched this movie and it started pretty promising but got really really boring.
How'd you get Tom Brady to play the piano for you?