What I've learned from my detransition is that there are not "boy things" or "girl things." There are girls and boys who do things. I think this dichotomy we've gotten into is really hard to break out of, and even non-trans people stay trapped in it for their entire lives.
That is, no offense, quite a hollow take. Don’t get me wrong, you’re correct, but you’re correct in a way that isn’t relevant to this kid’s experience.
You're making a general observation about language. You're noticing that the map is not the territory. The words have nothing to do with what the thing actually is just like your finger is not what your are pointing at.
I'm impressed with the candidness and introspective awareness of this man. I can tell he is a deep thinker, and the way he talks about his history gives me the impression that he has perhaps come to cultivate healthy self-acceptance. I hope he continues to find peace and self-actualization.
Forrest is so introspective and open. He is helping to remind all of us how terribly impressionable and vulnerable children and teens are. There is clearly an agenda at work.
Forest you are 100 % right the question ‘do you have a woman identity in you?’ is not relavent, we each are who we are. Masculinity and femininity is so often shown as a set of fixed behaviours, yet I am a woman who felt jealous of boys as a child because I preferred boys toys, cloths and activities. I didn’t understand why I didn’t fit in with societies idea of what a girl was. I am now a happy wife, mother and grandmother who lives in jeans and spends as much of my day doing practical activities, gardening, carpentry, fixing things. I like being in nature, walking dogs. My degree was in agriculture, I drove tractors etc, I was ace at reversing trailers, like driving different vehicles. This is my femininity. Embrace your version of masculinity with joy.
I agree completely. I always played sports & video games with my brothers & excelled in STEM. I’ve never “felt like a woman” whatever that means. Identity can be a tricky thing, but we’ll all go through changes in circumstances & we’ll all age. So it’s vital to create an identity that’s not based on physical characteristics. Telling this young man that getting br augmentation is an “accomplishment” is so sad. Can you imagine what we’d say to a doctor who said that to a young woman? 😢
@dakota-sessions I haven't seen but a couple discussions about the detriment of porn. And to answer your question. Yes, as far as information we all live in different worlds. Algorithms are quite powerful things.
@@dakota-sessionsmaybe there's been a constant stream of fear about it in the last 15 years, but this doesn't seem to have changed anything about the fact that it is still around, very prevalent, and that children are being exposed to it all the time, subtly and not so subtly.
He's a Con. How do I know...When he starts stumbling for words, he waits for someone to finish his sentence or at least nod their head. Classic sign of a User/Abuser. Then he knows he hit a sympathetic cord.
What a sweet sensitive young man. I hope he finds peace and comfort. There are still many children that need a good dad and you can be that. Thank you ladies for a very thoughtful, honest, intelligent if intense conversation. I'm always amazed at the depth of your content.
He's a Con. How do I know...When he starts stumbling for words, he waits for someone to finish his sentence or at least nod their head. Classic sign of a User/Abuser. Then he knows he hit a sympathetic cord.
@@mathewm7136 ah, classic. Once someone realizes transition won't solve all their problems and tries to walk back to reality, they are abandoned by the cult.
So gay men and transexual women living as men should adopt? They provide father figures in the way you're describing. I would love your thoughts Janine
I found so many interesting details in Forrest's story that provoked questions about culture and emotional motivations. I appreciate so much that people are willing to talk so openly about their experiences, helping us all to appreciate how complex the reality of gender and identity really is. Forrest is clearly an insightful, sensitive and principled person. The world needs more people like him!
My husband was exposed to porn at a young age; his way of relating to me and other women was as if to an object. It ruined our marriage. Porn, in whatever form, is so destructive.
Aw, this is beautiful. He's handsome, smart, funny and loves plants 🌿 Love this interview so much and hearing about someone finally getting in touch with their core self ♥️
Forrest your candidness and reflection will ensure that we can learn from this bizarre moment in history. You will be a father one day I know it. Keep being you and it will work out!
I had been wondering how my son-in-law's nephew (FtM transition) would be doing in the years to come. My daughter is liberal and refers to him as "a fine young man", which leaves a big gap somehow, a feeling that there's an official narrative there. I'm not meant to know and dare not ask. I am so glad I discovered your channel where the transitioner does speak for himself, reflects honestly, and shares the influences that conspired in his transition. Stella and Sasha, you have an outstanding channel, and you have created a very safe space. There is much healing here.
Ive been on female hormones since i was 14 and i had vaginoplasty at 17, now currently 28 presenting as a female the entire time. No way i could literally ever entertain the idea of a detransition.
I appreciate your podcast so much. This one was simply excellent. Did anyone else notice that when he started to talk about healing and journaling, birds started to sing???
God he’s eloquent. What an incredibly expressive vocabulary and compelling storyteller. Not far in yet, but I hope he thrives now and writes books in the future.
He's a Con. How do I know...When he starts stumbling for words, he waits for someone to finish his sentence or at least nod their head. Classic sign of a User/Abuser. Then he knows he hit a sympathetic cord.
This has the makings of an extraordinary novel- a voice for your generation… an epic story! You don’t even have to invent the characters or plot- it’s already there. You even have the journals. Bless you Forrest
The conversation about AGP that started around 44:40: It often feels like more and more ambiguous traits/behaviors/distresses that are seen in multiple contexts are getting shaped to fit into the AGP framework in the same way common or ambiguous things are getting framed as symptoms of gender dysphoria.
This is all so barbaric, but more importantly completely unnecessary! Gender ideology has made me reevaluate so much in my life, from media, to health care, to politics. I think many of us feel the same.
What I have noticed about today’s parents is they have a normalcy bias and tend to view their children having a similar childhood as them. There is sooo much danger and degeneracy exposed to today’s kids and a lot of parents are asleep at the wheel. It’s not the 80s anymore, people.
This is absolutely tragic. I already know why all of this is objectively wrong and the nonsensical ideology but hearing these individual stories and how wronged they were when they were going through so much deep stuff that no one around them could ever possibly understand is just mind blowing. He didn’t even understand until he was mature enough to reflect. This is so sad. Prison for these people.
this young man Forrest is such an incredible , intelligent and insightful person. I'm admire him sharing his harrowing journey here! Thank you Forrest!
It feels like Forrest still feels so much shame about this, and that he intellectualises and uses clinical language as a way to keep some distance from it. Seems like that but I could be wrong. I really feel for him and wish him all the best.
THIS is the MOST important point! Thank you for finally bringing it up. I’ve seen to for YEARS and people haven’t caught on yet because I think people didn’t want to believe it. This is so key… his story is the most intricately told and cannot possibly be faked. I know in my heart of hearts this type of experience is common, but none are willing to admit this likely due to guilt
What an impressive young man. He walked through it & has come out the other side into the light. Prayers for your journey to what God has for you, in particular.
being over 40 allows me to appreciate that when I was a teen there was none of this, the issue being we didn't have social media or the internet, that's young people main problem today having a brainwashing device in their pockets
This was an incredible podcast with Forrest. Wish him the best ahead and thankful he was able to share this experience and hopefully others will hear, see and learn. I know I did. So interesting to note that no matter how far you try to distance yourself from problems without facing them, there you are, still you, and you must actually face the reality of things. Thankfully there are others who can truly help and not try to just distract or disguise a problem. We all have to really grow up and become adults as hard as that is. Take responsibility for ourselves and it is wonderful when we have good examples to model after. Thank you to you two women who accommodate some difficult but needed learning.
His comments ( 1:25:30 ) about the emotionally uncomplicated sexual relationships he had with men while in the trans identity (even while primarily being romantically heterosexual ) were really interesting and important to consider more deeply.
What do you find interesting about it? That men’s willingness to casually bang strangers = “emotionally uncomplicated”? Or you think these gay men were grooming him?
Forest, what an AMAZING young man you are!! Your journey will bless so many, and by GODS GRACE I trust save many from what you have experienced. Thank You for your honesty and willingness to be so vulnerable, you have taught me a lot!! LORD BLESS you as you enter the next chapters of life!...PS you have an amazing smile!! What a Gift!! 🙏
Thanks for sharing Forrest's story. It's really eye-opening and heartbreaking to hear how porn and both real life and online trans communities influenced his journey and exacerbated his struggles. The trauma is palpable. The video does a great job at raising the question as to how sexuality can be described in terms of external factors too. There appears to be an element of psychological predisposition, but Forrest's story gives a very good case of his environment significantly amplifying it. My experience was so different and had a lot more to do with reflecting on my motivations and experimenting with different identities in real life to help me understand myself better. I also waited until I was financially independent, which gave me the freedom to explore my direction more clearly in a way that reduced pressure on me. It's sad to see how traumatic these experiences can be, especially his story, but it's also a reminder of how unique our paths often are. I really appreciate this channel. Thank you for this thought-provoking discussion!
I think these interviews and discussions are so important and surely will help people. I am a very normal woman of 77y and have had a marriage and children. However my marriage dissolved after 11 y and I was always wondering why my husband was “different and unemotional responsive to me as a woman.” Researching and doing my own further growth I came to feeling that in his case being a young small Catholic boy in a all boy school his experiences there affected his emotional development re women. In fact during counselling I remember him saying- “ I didn’t expect to get married as I didn’t think I could form a relationship with a woman”. Obviously there is much to unpack there , but there is so much our girls and boys are subjected to that when young that distorts their emotional and mental and physical well-being. I have long ago blessed him and set him free into the “Light of God that never fails”. I pray that humanity is set free from this distortion that has from many ares been imposed on them. 🙏❤️😇H
Very thoughtful young man. If only all of us were able to articulate our thoughts so well. I am too old now to remember much about early teens but some of what he was saying about erotic feelings, guilt, strange desires and the private world of fantasy, made me think about all this. Very good interview about the complexity of sexual development.
I’m a social worker and I’m so disgusted with the role we are playing in various destructive movements including the youth trans and sex worker movements
@@kylereese4822 I’m familiar with intersex conditions (DSDs), both currently and historically. They are not relevant to the ‘trans’ narrative. I don’t really care if someone chooses to live ‘as if’ they are the opposite sex. I do care when young people are sold a lie and mutilated.
I remember when my Dad died, i was in my 30s so was outwardly fine but it's when i had to say the words Dads dead that's when it really hit me. Saying the words, like AGP and castrated brings it home to him 😔
Forrest, I hope you wind up reading this somehow. Please keep writing about and talking about your personal experiences if only as a cautionary tale to other boys and men not to pursue a life as a medical experiment. You talk about the forces of drugs, alcohol and porn as having led you to make these unfortunate decisions, but I put the blame squarely at the feet of the adults, both professionals and activists who led you down this road of delusion. You don’t need a professional career, a family of your own or God forbid a medical mutilation to feel a sense of accomplishment. Just being an intelligent, honest and sincere person should grant you that. Good luck and keep talking about your story. Many people need to hear it and remember, you are perfect as you are.
What an intelligent, articulate man ! Congrats on your growth, on your path. EXCELLENT episode!!!!! I hope you are liking your life and “making something of your life”. CHEERS!! ❤
Devouring mother? He is male, porn is a male dominated industry which subjects women to abuse and depersonalisation, most of the people who influenced him, including the gender doctor he saw, were male. If people had been listening more to "gender critical" voices, which are predominantly female, then we wouldn´t be in this mess.
@@kirsteenniven5111making broad statements by painting only women in a positive light. essentially claiming that the non-binary leading thinker is only a woman because of their biological sex. ugh this comment reeks of triggered hypocrisy.
@@kirsteenniven5111making broad statements by painting only women in a positive light. essentially claiming that the non-binary leading thinker is only a woman because of their biological sex. ugh this comment reeks of triggered hypocrisy.
This was a really powerful podcast, I kinda relate myself with forrest. Porn really destroyed my life, even though I wasn't into crossdressing, it warped my brain into doing it. I've had sex with men and other crossdressers, I was even contracted with syphilis, but it's just that the brain lives in fantasy world. Luckily, here in my country they don't encourage transitioning so I haven't gone that path. Even though I haven't come out of my addiction, but I'm now aware how dangerous this is and have been trying various things to come out of addiction. Thank you again for posting this video.
@@Gingerblaze Well for me, this started our when I watched a movie, where a woman goes to another country and is captured for having some illegal substance I guess and later on a hero goes to meet and finally they both escape by the end of the movie. Since then, almost every night I used to create multiple scenarios in my brain where these bad guys would do crazy things to the woman and finally I would be saving her. It seems my child brain has misinterpreted this movie and only wants to save that woman, but when I saw it being used in reality of bdsm, I thought my dreams came true or maybe I was paraphilic all these years. But now I know that I don't have any such disorder, it's just that my inner child is not comfortable when I see such situations of hopelessness. I was just trying to save those women in porn, by taking their place just like that guy in the movie.
@@ankithg3101 you will be able to heal from this, an experience in my youth caused me to only be able to orgasm if I was deep in a place of fantasy. For a very long time this was true, what healed me was six with a person I had a very trusting relationship with where I could talk about my fantasies and with whom become totally intimate and vulnerable with. They were very kind and earthy and now I don’t need a fantasy, we just have fun. I wish you such happiness.
What an amazing observation & comment he makes in regards to watching two people having sex not necessarily being heteronormative. I'd never ever thought about it that way, but I certainly will now.
I felt exactly the same way Forrest felt when I was a teenager and in my early twenties. It had absolutely nothing to do with porn, but I found myself getting possessive of some of my female friends, while to others, I was harmless. Since I developed a reputation as the harmless (possibly gay in their eyes) guy, many girls opened up to me, plus I was a good listener. For most of them, I was a good friend and confidant, but for the ones I felt particularly attracted to, I developed very obsessive and stalkerish feelings.
@@nataleo9093 Yes, I definitely eventually grew out of that phase, but I burned a few very cherished friendships in the process. Basically, I stopped dating the girls who were simply available to me and started actually pursuing ones I was interested in. I stopped trying to befriend girls before wanting more. At that point, the girls in my life were pretty much divided into my friends and my potential love interests, and I tried to keep them separate, which worked. I'm still a good listener and non-threatening enough that I tend to develop friendships with married or otherwise unavailable women. As I've grown older, those feelings of possessiveness have faded. Maybe it was a high-testosterone thing? I've found that if a woman is attracted to you at any point, it's possible for there to be more, maybe, at some point. But once you're in the friend zone, which I almost always was in my early 20s, you couldn't get anywhere else with that particular woman, even if you knew her intimately and she shared secrets with you that many of her best female friends didn't know.
I found these men to be very successful with relationships and marriage in the future. The key for all of them, however, was taking a chance (expressing romantic interest) when feelings did develop. I feel like the stalkerish thing happens when that seems like the only option and romantic feelings wouldn't be reciprocated.
35:46 The hospitals and physicians pushing medicalization need to face an unrelenting barrage of malpractice lawsuits by the likes of Josh Payne because money (unfortunately) speaks louder than reason.
I totally understand the comment about not giving agp power. I have not written a book about agp nor have I spoken to so many folks with it that I can compile their stories and put them in my book, but I agree with this fellow that agp is not a sexuality. Language seems to be of upmost importance these days and so if I were being specific about my own self I'd say, "AGP is PART of my sexuality." We all must be careful not to believe one way or another about this could be sexuality, addiction, trauma, fantasy, escape, fetish, kink, gender thing. Is it hard to articulate and understand? Most definitely... Are there a lot of people with a lot of interesting and good, insightful stuff to say about it? Most definitely... But does it mean that anyone person, no matter how well spoken or experienced knows for sure what it is? Nope. I've got my own thoughts about how I experience it. I don't think I'm a woman, nor a transwoman in denial. I don't believe agp is my sexuality, but I certainly could see that I have a propensity towards transformation kink, feminization and role reversal. I can see clearly how my own life could play into all of this, mixed with my genetics and biology of course. Thank you all for a great conversation. Thank God some folks get into the nuance and complexity these days. If I hear one more black and white thinking I may just POP 😵💫
I think porn is one of the main driving factors for transgenderism today. Many of us never even knew trans people existed until we saw them in porn. And reddit is the worst place to be for young men with autogynophilia, there is so much bad influence on there and degrading sex acts
As a neuro and an attorney, I’m revolted by this story. I have no idea how this even came in my feed and autoplayed. What shocks me most is the amount of “support” (financial & social) given to this individual. He was provided mostly free services, $25 housing, “healthcare,” food, & even described his time with these organizations as “summer camp.” I work in a large urban center. We could unquestionably save lives if the money being used on these elective surgeries were instead given to help addicts & pregnant mothers. It enrages me, because while I realize most of this money is coming from private individuals, there needs to be accountability. Our federal government needs to remove the 501c3 (charitable tax deduction) statuses from these organizations.
The anime/hentai to T pipeline is REAL. Look at all their pfp and avatars on any social media: always anime characters. Not everyone who watches anime goes T. But ALL T's watch anime.
I remember The Radical Fairies from the before-trans times. As I recall they were nature-lovers, so the idea that they would fall for transhumanism is ironic and sad.
Is he talking about anime or comics? I have never heard of the cartoons he speaks of. I am sure they exist, it is just difficult to understand what he is talking about. I love that the host talks about all the external influences. You tube, cartoons, p, influencers, = social influences =environment. Hips are wide and curvy and “built up” for the purpose of child bearing. The irony is deep. Super interested about his family interaction. I notice that he is super vague about it but it seems that something there really played a roll. Sometimes sensitive people can’t understand why others don’t respond the way they want to see or hear. And are not able to see from the other party’s perspective.
There is a large amount of drawn erotic cartoons/computer animated "cartoons" that were on websites like Reddit, Tumblr and could be found in google results in general by searching certain keywords as he said. It was all made by adults on these blogs & websites who were a part of the fandoms, usually knowing that young kids were on the websites too
@@rhiannontomlinson9350 ok thanks! So it was cartoon bait. Sites accessible to kids with explicit content. Yeah, Tumblr can be a mine field and there was thing called Deviant Art. Without monitoring or safe guards I guess kids will get into the muck on internet even at ver young ages.
There are sexualised images on the internet, everywhere. My kid is into pokemon and we have to be careful about googling images of them when he wants reference to draw them
What's really interesting about the aupported housing is the way he was just given it but not given any help in growing up and moving towards independence from it. The state is such a feckless parent.
The video game Hero Wars is frequently advertised and its images are very similar to what this man is talking about. Creepy stuff with little men being kicked around by huge fetishy female characters.
Yes, I get to see this ad with a woman who eats men fairly often and as an older (60+) person who does no gaming I really wonder every time what kind of fun can that game be to anyone. (Annoying to be bombarded with any game ads, actually. I'm totally uninterested.)
I just made a similar comment! It's truly demonic isn't it. I think the "Furries" plug into this disembodiement of identity too. Grown men posing as cartoon animals to gain access to children.
Please report & block that ad. I reported that to TH-cam bc it had revolting images of females, gore, & autoplayed on our family’s TV during breakfast one day 😳
Yesterday was first time we learnt about sex changed children , and those now changing back. I hope we continue to miss the trend, and so do all our children here, in a remote agricultural community in north northern Australia.
maybe it is time to stop shoving individual humans into categories. i have come to care so much about this issue because i taught adolescents for 15 years and was and still am gender non-conforming and would definitely be shoved into the trans category by many today. thank you sasha and stella. your measured concern and compassion in the face of the fever pitched idelogoy is inspiring
Hi Forrest thank you for sharing your story - you are clearly high a deep thinker and I'm sorry that the lies you were told made you feel that being a man wasn't good enough or that you weren't a good enough man.
I feel so sad that his normal early relationship experience of figuring out how to be in a romantic relationship was sullied and pathologists through pornography. I hope he can heal from beating himself up about that.
Wondering how things were like in societies that include eunuchs in Asia and North Africa. How did they got chosen, how did they got educated, employed, etcetera.
This shit is a demon bro. And by demon, i mean a haunting mental rumination or a spiralling thought that has way of taking over your entire life and changing your behaviour in ways that could never naturally occur.
Thanks so much for sharing this interview. You mention Forrest's sensitivity and I wonder if he may have the Highly Sensitive Person genetic trait (aka Sensory Processing Sensitivity)? There has been a lot of research into the trait that has identified differences in activity in certain areas of the brains of people with this trait. An integral aspect of the trait is depth of processing...people with the trait are deep thinkers, with long memories...HSPs are wired for this to happen. The evolutionary purpose of the trait helps to explain that. Dr. Elaine Aron was the researcher in the USA who identified the trait in the late 90s. Another current researcher who may be helpful is Bianca Acevedo. Men with the trait often struggle and possibly suffer more than women who have the trait because sensitivity is even less accepted in boys and men, so HSP boys and men often hide the aspects of the trait that would show their sensitivity. Tracy Cooper is a male psychologist with the trait and his work may be helpful. There is also a recently released documentary called "Sensitive Men Rising" which specifically explores the trait in men. Wishing Forrest a beautiful life ❣
1:33:15 no, he wasn't incompetent for this. A "panicked look" is not enough communication. People deep in the ideology will not hear a discerning word about their cult; indeed, their fellow cultists teach them that anyone criticizing the ideology hates them and should be excised. So the concerned people get used to validating ridiculous and damaging decisions so they are not excommunicated.
The confusion, vulnerability and isolation of this young man made him fall prey to these pernicious societal influences. Where were the older males that could guide him and counsel him through the doubts he came up against long before he began to take steps down the transition road? I see this as a symptom of a much larger multi-layered problem that impacts different groups in very different ways. The way exposure to porn affects young women can't be compared to the way it affects boys. But the damage is very destructive to both. We are lost as a society and there's no turning back, unfortunately.
True... porn has an arguably FAR worse effect on boys. I'm always sure to point that out to feminists keen on making porn a misogyny issue about male "privilege" and "entitlement".
@@mht5875 Your bitterness is understandable. The later waves of feminism and 'queer theory' have caused havoc, no doubt about that. Although I think there are more factors involved in the breakdown of families than just feminism alone.
You boys really do love to be the victims, don't you? It's not enough to acknowledge that men and women both suffer. Men have to suffer more. And blaming society's shortcomings on feminism? Way to dodge responsibility.
@@mht5875 An excessively bitter (and short-sighted) take. Society is changing drastically, and men are failing to be role models, for many reasons unrelated to whiny activists.
Sexual encounters, people typically will get compensated in return for sexual indulgences like money, rent, paying their bills, and everything in between.
You two deserve a prize for raising their voices. And those young people deserve everything for their courage of speaking out.
What I've learned from my detransition is that there are not "boy things" or "girl things." There are girls and boys who do things. I think this dichotomy we've gotten into is really hard to break out of, and even non-trans people stay trapped in it for their entire lives.
That is, no offense, quite a hollow take. Don’t get me wrong, you’re correct, but you’re correct in a way that isn’t relevant to this kid’s experience.
You're making a general observation about language. You're noticing that the map is not the territory. The words have nothing to do with what the thing actually is just like your finger is not what your are pointing at.
@@lancewalker2595 seems pretty relevant.
@@lancewalker2595 It's absolutely relevant, in my opinion is the FIRST reason why this "gender madness" we have today starts in the first place
@@liv0003 You blue and pink are the primary reason for gender insanity?
I'm impressed with the candidness and introspective awareness of this man. I can tell he is a deep thinker, and the way he talks about his history gives me the impression that he has perhaps come to cultivate healthy self-acceptance. I hope he continues to find peace and self-actualization.
Completely agree he is very well spoken he has more insight to his own psychology than most people ever will.
Forrest is so introspective and open. He is helping to remind all of us how terribly impressionable and vulnerable children and teens are. There is clearly an agenda at work.
This is, by far, the very best interview you've ever done with a non-professional. Everyone should watch this.
Forest you are 100 % right the question ‘do you have a woman identity in you?’ is not relavent, we each are who we are. Masculinity and femininity is so often shown as a set of fixed behaviours, yet I am a woman who felt jealous of boys as a child because I preferred boys toys, cloths and activities. I didn’t understand why I didn’t fit in with societies idea of what a girl was. I am now a happy wife, mother and grandmother who lives in jeans and spends as much of my day doing practical activities, gardening, carpentry, fixing things. I like being in nature, walking dogs. My degree was in agriculture, I drove tractors etc, I was ace at reversing trailers, like driving different vehicles. This is my femininity. Embrace your version of masculinity with joy.
I agree completely. I always played sports & video games with my brothers & excelled in STEM. I’ve never “felt like a woman” whatever that means. Identity can be a tricky thing, but we’ll all go through changes in circumstances & we’ll all age. So it’s vital to create an identity that’s not based on physical characteristics. Telling this young man that getting br augmentation is an “accomplishment” is so sad. Can you imagine what we’d say to a doctor who said that to a young woman? 😢
I can totally relate to everything you said 👍🏼
Thank you for talking about this. The silence about porn from the mainstream media is deafening.
It's been nothing but a constant stream of fear about porn for the last 15 years. Are we living on a different planet?
@dakota-sessions I haven't seen but a couple discussions about the detriment of porn.
And to answer your question. Yes, as far as information we all live in different worlds.
Algorithms are quite powerful things.
@@dakota-sessionsmaybe there's been a constant stream of fear about it in the last 15 years, but this doesn't seem to have changed anything about the fact that it is still around, very prevalent, and that children are being exposed to it all the time, subtly and not so subtly.
@@dakota-sessions P addiction seems widespread and a lot of men I’ve met are have often too covered in shame to admit it to anyone
Forrest you are so wise. I am so grateful to you for sharing this beautiful story of self reflection, growth and transformation.
This man is so brave to come forward with this. I hope he is on the path to healing.
He's a Con.
How do I know...When he starts stumbling for words, he waits for someone to finish his sentence or at least nod their head. Classic sign of a User/Abuser.
Then he knows he hit a sympathetic cord.
@@mathewm7136 could be. But why?
@@mathewm7136you feel called out by him, I imagine
@@mathewm7136 I think you're projecting heavily based on constantly spamming the same comment
What a sweet sensitive young man. I hope he finds peace and comfort. There are still many children that need a good dad and you can be that.
Thank you ladies for a very thoughtful, honest, intelligent if intense conversation. I'm always amazed at the depth of your content.
He's a Con.
How do I know...When he starts stumbling for words, he waits for someone to finish his sentence or at least nod their head. Classic sign of a User/Abuser.
Then he knows he hit a sympathetic cord.
@@mathewm7136wow. Thanks for your observations it really exposes your delliousion.
@@mathewm7136 ah, classic. Once someone realizes transition won't solve all their problems and tries to walk back to reality, they are abandoned by the cult.
So gay men and transexual women living as men should adopt? They provide father figures in the way you're describing. I would love your thoughts Janine
I found so many interesting details in Forrest's story that provoked questions about culture and emotional motivations. I appreciate so much that people are willing to talk so openly about their experiences, helping us all to appreciate how complex the reality of gender and identity really is.
Forrest is clearly an insightful, sensitive and principled person. The world needs more people like him!
My husband was exposed to porn at a young age; his way of relating to me and other women was as if to an object. It ruined our marriage.
Porn, in whatever form, is so destructive.
Aw, this is beautiful. He's handsome, smart, funny and loves plants 🌿 Love this interview so much and hearing about someone finally getting in touch with their core self ♥️
Forrest your candidness and reflection will ensure that we can learn from this bizarre moment in history. You will be a father one day I know it. Keep being you and it will work out!
I had been wondering how my son-in-law's nephew (FtM transition) would be doing in the years to come. My daughter is liberal and refers to him as "a fine young man", which leaves a big gap somehow, a feeling that there's an official narrative there. I'm not meant to know and dare not ask. I am so glad I discovered your channel where the transitioner does speak for himself, reflects honestly, and shares the influences that conspired in his transition. Stella and Sasha, you have an outstanding channel, and you have created a very safe space. There is much healing here.
Ive been on female hormones since i was 14 and i had vaginoplasty at 17, now currently 28 presenting as a female the entire time. No way i could literally ever entertain the idea of a detransition.
I appreciate your podcast so much. This one was simply excellent. Did anyone else notice that when he started to talk about healing and journaling, birds started to sing???
God he’s eloquent. What an incredibly expressive vocabulary and compelling storyteller. Not far in yet, but I hope he thrives now and writes books in the future.
He's a Con.
How do I know...When he starts stumbling for words, he waits for someone to finish his sentence or at least nod their head. Classic sign of a User/Abuser.
Then he knows he hit a sympathetic cord.
@@mathewm7136why are you spamming this inane comment under every response to this video
@@appsb4537 perhaps a bot?
@@mathewm7136that’s totally normal when you cannot come up with the right word… calm down.
@@mathewm7136or, classic sign of nervousness. You sound at best, unreasonable
This has the makings of an extraordinary novel- a voice for your generation… an epic story! You don’t even have to invent the characters or plot- it’s already there. You even have the journals. Bless you Forrest
Incredible writing on his sub stack.
@@S2023. meh
Wow this man is so intelligent and has so much self reflection. I pray my son can hear this guy somehow ❤
Brilliant young man -- brilliant in both intellect and heart -- and so very brave. Definitely write that book!
I've listened to another interview with Forrest. He is so intelligent, funny and kind. He is brilliant.
The conversation about AGP that started around 44:40: It often feels like more and more ambiguous traits/behaviors/distresses that are seen in multiple contexts are getting shaped to fit into the AGP framework in the same way common or ambiguous things are getting framed as symptoms of gender dysphoria.
It is the pathologizing of human experience.
This is all so barbaric, but more importantly completely unnecessary! Gender ideology has made me reevaluate so much in my life, from media, to health care, to politics. I think many of us feel the same.
absolutely a lesson in keeping our minds safe from unhealthy input. thanks
What I have noticed about today’s parents is they have a normalcy bias and tend to view their children having a similar childhood as them. There is sooo much danger and degeneracy exposed to today’s kids and a lot of parents are asleep at the wheel. It’s not the 80s anymore, people.
This is absolutely tragic. I already know why all of this is objectively wrong and the nonsensical ideology but hearing these individual stories and how wronged they were when they were going through so much deep stuff that no one around them could ever possibly understand is just mind blowing. He didn’t even understand until he was mature enough to reflect. This is so sad. Prison for these people.
this young man Forrest is such an incredible , intelligent and insightful person. I'm admire him sharing his harrowing journey here! Thank you Forrest!
Thank you, Forest. These stories really help others.
It feels like Forrest still feels so much shame about this, and that he intellectualises and uses clinical language as a way to keep some distance from it. Seems like that but I could be wrong. I really feel for him and wish him all the best.
I feel like he’s come to terms with and *comprehended* it so has released the shame
I absolutely love these longer videos and conversations. What an incredible story
THIS is the MOST important point! Thank you for finally bringing it up. I’ve seen to for YEARS and people haven’t caught on yet because I think people didn’t want to believe it. This is so key… his story is the most intricately told and cannot possibly be faked. I know in my heart of hearts this type of experience is common, but none are willing to admit this likely due to guilt
What an impressive young man. He walked through it & has come out the other side into the light. Prayers for your journey to what God has for you, in particular.
being over 40 allows me to appreciate that when I was a teen there was none of this, the issue being we didn't have social media or the internet, that's young people main problem today having a brainwashing device in their pockets
This was an incredible podcast with Forrest. Wish him the best ahead and thankful he was able to share this experience and hopefully others will hear, see and learn. I know I did. So interesting to note that no matter how far you try to distance yourself from problems without facing them, there you are, still you, and you must actually face the reality of things. Thankfully there are others who can truly help and not try to just distract or disguise a problem. We all have to really grow up and become adults as hard as that is. Take responsibility for ourselves and it is wonderful when we have good examples to model after. Thank you to you two women who accommodate some difficult but needed learning.
His comments ( 1:25:30 ) about the emotionally uncomplicated sexual relationships he had with men while in the trans identity (even while primarily being romantically heterosexual ) were really interesting and important to consider more deeply.
What do you find interesting about it? That men’s willingness to casually bang strangers = “emotionally uncomplicated”? Or you think these gay men were grooming him?
Forest, what an AMAZING young man you are!! Your journey will bless so many, and by GODS GRACE I trust save many from what you have experienced. Thank You for your honesty and willingness to be so vulnerable, you have taught me a lot!! LORD BLESS you as you enter the next chapters of life!...PS you have an amazing smile!! What a Gift!! 🙏
He made so much sense, He said I still have the same problems he started off with at 19! But now he is missing body parts! 😢
This has been an excellent interview! Forrest, thank you so much for your honesty. I think your story will help other young men. Wish you the best 💓
Thank you all, great to listen in here.
Thanks for sharing Forrest's story. It's really eye-opening and heartbreaking to hear how porn and both real life and online trans communities influenced his journey and exacerbated his struggles. The trauma is palpable. The video does a great job at raising the question as to how sexuality can be described in terms of external factors too. There appears to be an element of psychological predisposition, but Forrest's story gives a very good case of his environment significantly amplifying it.
My experience was so different and had a lot more to do with reflecting on my motivations and experimenting with different identities in real life to help me understand myself better. I also waited until I was financially independent, which gave me the freedom to explore my direction more clearly in a way that reduced pressure on me.
It's sad to see how traumatic these experiences can be, especially his story, but it's also a reminder of how unique our paths often are. I really appreciate this channel. Thank you for this thought-provoking discussion!
I think these interviews and discussions are so important and surely will help people. I am a very normal woman of 77y and have had a marriage and children. However my marriage dissolved after 11 y and I was always wondering why my husband was “different and unemotional responsive to me as a woman.” Researching and doing my own further growth I came to feeling that in his case being a young small Catholic boy in a all boy school his experiences there affected his emotional development re women. In fact during counselling I remember him saying- “ I didn’t expect to get married as I didn’t think I could form a relationship with a woman”. Obviously there is much to unpack there , but there is so much our girls and boys are subjected to that when young that distorts their emotional and mental and physical well-being. I have long ago blessed him and set him free into the “Light of God that never fails”. I pray that humanity is set free from this distortion that has from many ares been imposed on them. 🙏❤️😇H
Very thoughtful young man. If only all of us were able to articulate our thoughts so well. I am too old now to remember much about early teens but some of what he was saying about erotic feelings, guilt, strange desires and the private world of fantasy, made me think about all this. Very good interview about the complexity of sexual development.
I’m a social worker and I’m so disgusted with the role we are playing in various destructive movements including the youth trans and sex worker movements
A troubled young man preyed upon by ghouls.
@@kylereese4822 I’m familiar with intersex conditions (DSDs), both currently and historically. They are not relevant to the ‘trans’ narrative. I don’t really care if someone chooses to live ‘as if’ they are the opposite sex. I do care when young people are sold a lie and mutilated.
@@kylereese4822Again, you’re spamming totally irrelevant text under people’s posts…
I remember when my Dad died, i was in my 30s so was outwardly fine but it's when i had to say the words Dads dead that's when it really hit me. Saying the words, like AGP and castrated brings it home to him 😔
Brings him home too.
I’m sorry for your loss ❤
Forrest, I hope you wind up reading this somehow. Please keep writing about and talking about your personal experiences if only as a cautionary tale to other boys and men not to pursue a life as a medical experiment. You talk about the forces of drugs, alcohol and porn as having led you to make these unfortunate decisions, but I put the blame squarely at the feet of the adults, both professionals and activists who led you down this road of delusion. You don’t need a professional career, a family of your own or God forbid a medical mutilation to feel a sense of accomplishment. Just being an intelligent, honest and sincere person should grant you that. Good luck and keep talking about your story. Many people need to hear it and remember, you are perfect as you are.
Compelling and insightful interview with a truly beautiful man. Sending all the love in the world.
What an intelligent, articulate man ! Congrats on your growth, on your path. EXCELLENT episode!!!!! I hope you are liking your life and “making something of your life”. CHEERS!! ❤
The devouring mother strikes again. Balance in all things, people. Always and forever.
Devouring mother? He is male, porn is a male dominated industry which subjects women to abuse and depersonalisation, most of the people who influenced him, including the gender doctor he saw, were male. If people had been listening more to "gender critical" voices, which are predominantly female, then we wouldn´t be in this mess.
@@kirsteenniven5111making broad statements by painting only women in a positive light. essentially claiming that the non-binary leading thinker is only a woman because of their biological sex. ugh this comment reeks of triggered hypocrisy.
@@kirsteenniven5111making broad statements by painting only women in a positive light. essentially claiming that the non-binary leading thinker is only a woman because of their biological sex. ugh this comment reeks of triggered hypocrisy.
Thank you Forrest for sharing your story
This was a really powerful podcast, I kinda relate myself with forrest. Porn really destroyed my life, even though I wasn't into crossdressing, it warped my brain into doing it. I've had sex with men and other crossdressers, I was even contracted with syphilis, but it's just that the brain lives in fantasy world. Luckily, here in my country they don't encourage transitioning so I haven't gone that path. Even though I haven't come out of my addiction, but I'm now aware how dangerous this is and have been trying various things to come out of addiction.
Thank you again for posting this video.
Is there anything that you can think of which would help release you from the bonds of your addiction?
@@Gingerblaze Well for me, this started our when I watched a movie, where a woman goes to another country and is captured for having some illegal substance I guess and later on a hero goes to meet and finally they both escape by the end of the movie. Since then, almost every night I used to create multiple scenarios in my brain where these bad guys would do crazy things to the woman and finally I would be saving her. It seems my child brain has misinterpreted this movie and only wants to save that woman, but when I saw it being used in reality of bdsm, I thought my dreams came true or maybe I was paraphilic all these years. But now I know that I don't have any such disorder, it's just that my inner child is not comfortable when I see such situations of hopelessness. I was just trying to save those women in porn, by taking their place just like that guy in the movie.
@@ankithg3101oh, come on. Stop ascribing noble motives to yourself. You are just a garden variety perve.
@@ankithg3101 you will be able to heal from this, an experience in my youth caused me to only be able to orgasm if I was deep in a place of fantasy. For a very long time this was true, what healed me was six with a person I had a very trusting relationship with where I could talk about my fantasies and with whom become totally intimate and vulnerable with. They were very kind and earthy and now I don’t need a fantasy, we just have fun. I wish you such happiness.
What a lovely, insightful person.
Wow that conversation was truly insightful. Thank you.
What an amazing observation & comment he makes in regards to watching two people having sex not necessarily being heteronormative. I'd never ever thought about it that way, but I certainly will now.
Thanks for sharing Forrest. Peace be with you. 🕊 🐿
I felt exactly the same way Forrest felt when I was a teenager and in my early twenties. It had absolutely nothing to do with porn, but I found myself getting possessive of some of my female friends, while to others, I was harmless. Since I developed a reputation as the harmless (possibly gay in their eyes) guy, many girls opened up to me, plus I was a good listener. For most of them, I was a good friend and confidant, but for the ones I felt particularly attracted to, I developed very obsessive and stalkerish feelings.
this is an interesting and honest reflection that I appreciate. Did your feelings and tendencies change as you matured? How'd you cope?
@@nataleo9093 Yes, I definitely eventually grew out of that phase, but I burned a few very cherished friendships in the process. Basically, I stopped dating the girls who were simply available to me and started actually pursuing ones I was interested in. I stopped trying to befriend girls before wanting more. At that point, the girls in my life were pretty much divided into my friends and my potential love interests, and I tried to keep them separate, which worked. I'm still a good listener and non-threatening enough that I tend to develop friendships with married or otherwise unavailable women.
As I've grown older, those feelings of possessiveness have faded. Maybe it was a high-testosterone thing?
I've found that if a woman is attracted to you at any point, it's possible for there to be more, maybe, at some point. But once you're in the friend zone, which I almost always was in my early 20s, you couldn't get anywhere else with that particular woman, even if you knew her intimately and she shared secrets with you that many of her best female friends didn't know.
I found these men to be very successful with relationships and marriage in the future. The key for all of them, however, was taking a chance (expressing romantic interest) when feelings did develop. I feel like the stalkerish thing happens when that seems like the only option and romantic feelings wouldn't be reciprocated.
What a lovely young man. I wish him all the best
35:46 The hospitals and physicians pushing medicalization need to face an unrelenting barrage of malpractice lawsuits by the likes of Josh Payne because money (unfortunately) speaks louder than reason.
I totally understand the comment about not giving agp power.
I have not written a book about agp nor have I spoken to so many folks with it that I can compile their stories and put them in my book, but I agree with this fellow that agp is not a sexuality.
Language seems to be of upmost importance these days and so if I were being specific about my own self I'd say, "AGP is PART of my sexuality."
We all must be careful not to believe one way or another about this could be sexuality, addiction, trauma, fantasy, escape, fetish, kink, gender thing. Is it hard to articulate and understand? Most definitely... Are there a lot of people with a lot of interesting and good, insightful stuff to say about it? Most definitely...
But does it mean that anyone person, no matter how well spoken or experienced knows for sure what it is? Nope.
I've got my own thoughts about how I experience it. I don't think I'm a woman, nor a transwoman in denial. I don't believe agp is my sexuality, but I certainly could see that I have a propensity towards transformation kink, feminization and role reversal. I can see clearly how my own life could play into all of this, mixed with my genetics and biology of course.
Thank you all for a great conversation. Thank God some folks get into the nuance and complexity these days. If I hear one more black and white thinking I may just POP 😵💫
Agp is a fetish, I thought?
I think porn is one of the main driving factors for transgenderism today. Many of us never even knew trans people existed until we saw them in porn. And reddit is the worst place to be for young men with autogynophilia, there is so much bad influence on there and degrading sex acts
Eloquent intelligent lad. I hope everything goes well for him 🤞
Forrest is an incredible young man. God bless him
What a heavy life for these young people.
I love that the ladies just let him speak
As a neuro and an attorney, I’m revolted by this story. I have no idea how this even came in my feed and autoplayed. What shocks me most is the amount of “support” (financial & social) given to this individual. He was provided mostly free services, $25 housing, “healthcare,” food, & even described his time with these organizations as “summer camp.”
I work in a large urban center. We could unquestionably save lives if the money being used on these elective surgeries were instead given to help addicts & pregnant mothers. It enrages me, because while I realize most of this money is coming from private individuals, there needs to be accountability. Our federal government needs to remove the 501c3 (charitable tax deduction) statuses from these organizations.
what a wonderful human being!
So informative. Thank you for sharing.
I love Forrest’s sec awareness he’s very I tune with his emotions and he’s totally aware of his projections.
What an interesting conversation, thank you
Thank You 🙏! Your such a Beautiful Person!
What an amazing man. So intelligent, insightful, and brave. I wish I could meet him!
The anime/hentai to T pipeline is REAL. Look at all their pfp and avatars on any social media: always anime characters.
Not everyone who watches anime goes T. But ALL T's watch anime.
I can't understand why kids like this stuff. The illustrations are so unreal, not inspiring in any way. It's a total mystery to me.
Um no we don't lol.
Wishing Forest the very best
I remember The Radical Fairies from the before-trans times. As I recall they were nature-lovers, so the idea that they would fall for transhumanism is ironic and sad.
Yea thinking the Radical Fairies were around San Francisco in the 1970's
Identity is a lie and it’s corrupts deeply
The comment about dignity is so immense in all this.
Is he talking about anime or comics? I have never heard of the cartoons he speaks of. I am sure they exist, it is just difficult to understand what he is talking about.
I love that the host talks about all the external influences. You tube, cartoons, p, influencers, = social influences =environment.
Hips are wide and curvy and “built up” for the purpose of child bearing. The irony is deep.
Super interested about his family interaction. I notice that he is super vague about it but it seems that something there really played a roll. Sometimes sensitive people can’t understand why others don’t respond the way they want to see or hear. And are not able to see from the other party’s perspective.
There is a large amount of drawn erotic cartoons/computer animated "cartoons" that were on websites like Reddit, Tumblr and could be found in google results in general by searching certain keywords as he said. It was all made by adults on these blogs & websites who were a part of the fandoms, usually knowing that young kids were on the websites too
@@rhiannontomlinson9350 ok thanks! So it was cartoon bait. Sites accessible to kids with explicit content. Yeah, Tumblr can be a mine field and there was thing called Deviant Art. Without monitoring or safe guards I guess kids will get into the muck on internet even at ver young ages.
There are sexualised images on the internet, everywhere. My kid is into pokemon and we have to be careful about googling images of them when he wants reference to draw them
@@ycAuntieLala oh yes I completely forgot about Devian Art omg
He’s talking about images on Twitter & Tumbler I believe 😢
“I’m at square two”
Love that ❤
What's really interesting about the aupported housing is the way he was just given it but not given any help in growing up and moving towards independence from it. The state is such a feckless parent.
For so many children and mothers, addicts, etc it is movinh out of the frying pan directly into the fire.
This interview was great.
Isolation. Like he was living behind a glass screen. Nobody was communicating with him heart to heart. All the lonely people.
The video game Hero Wars is frequently advertised and its images are very similar to what this man is talking about. Creepy stuff with little men being kicked around by huge fetishy female characters.
Yes, I get to see this ad with a woman who eats men fairly often and as an older (60+) person who does no gaming I really wonder every time what kind of fun can that game be to anyone. (Annoying to be bombarded with any game ads, actually. I'm totally uninterested.)
I just made a similar comment! It's truly demonic isn't it.
I think the "Furries" plug into this disembodiement of identity too. Grown men posing as cartoon animals to gain access to children.
Please report & block that ad. I reported that to TH-cam bc it had revolting images of females, gore, & autoplayed on our family’s TV during breakfast one day 😳
I wish forrest could talk to my son - he is going thriugh si many things that resonate with what forrest says. And im so scared 😢
Yesterday was first time we learnt about sex changed children , and those now changing back. I hope we continue to miss the trend, and so do all our children here, in a remote agricultural community in north northern Australia.
If your children have access to the internet and social media, they are at risk.
maybe it is time to stop shoving individual humans into categories. i have come to care so much about this issue because i taught adolescents for 15 years and was and still am gender non-conforming and would definitely be shoved into the trans category by many today. thank you sasha and stella. your measured concern and compassion in the face of the fever pitched idelogoy is inspiring
Well spoken & presented in your circle back to you
This young man needs deliverance.
Hi Forrest thank you for sharing your story - you are clearly high a deep thinker and I'm sorry that the lies you were told made you feel that being a man wasn't good enough or that you weren't a good enough man.
This was a hard watch, poor Forest
I feel so sad that his normal early relationship experience of figuring out how to be in a romantic relationship was sullied and pathologists through pornography. I hope he can heal from beating himself up about that.
Wondering how things were like in societies that include eunuchs in Asia and North Africa. How did they got chosen, how did they got educated, employed, etcetera.
I feel for this young man. He was led astray. Everyone failed him. My goodness.
This shit is a demon bro. And by demon, i mean a haunting mental rumination or a spiralling thought that has way of taking over your entire life and changing your behaviour in ways that could never naturally occur.
I've thought for a long time that porn must be a hidden actor in this pageant. I'm surprised we don't hear this more often.
Thanks so much for sharing this interview. You mention Forrest's sensitivity and I wonder if he may have the Highly Sensitive Person genetic trait (aka Sensory Processing Sensitivity)? There has been a lot of research into the trait that has identified differences in activity in certain areas of the brains of people with this trait. An integral aspect of the trait is depth of processing...people with the trait are deep thinkers, with long memories...HSPs are wired for this to happen. The evolutionary purpose of the trait helps to explain that. Dr. Elaine Aron was the researcher in the USA who identified the trait in the late 90s. Another current researcher who may be helpful is Bianca Acevedo. Men with the trait often struggle and possibly suffer more than women who have the trait because sensitivity is even less accepted in boys and men, so HSP boys and men often hide the aspects of the trait that would show their sensitivity. Tracy Cooper is a male psychologist with the trait and his work may be helpful. There is also a recently released documentary called "Sensitive Men Rising" which specifically explores the trait in men. Wishing Forrest a beautiful life ❣
Deeply moving young man.
1:33:15 no, he wasn't incompetent for this. A "panicked look" is not enough communication. People deep in the ideology will not hear a discerning word about their cult; indeed, their fellow cultists teach them that anyone criticizing the ideology hates them and should be excised. So the concerned people get used to validating ridiculous and damaging decisions so they are not excommunicated.
The confusion, vulnerability and isolation of this young man made him fall prey to these pernicious societal influences. Where were the older males that could guide him and counsel him through the doubts he came up against long before he began to take steps down the transition road? I see this as a symptom of a much larger multi-layered problem that impacts different groups in very different ways. The way exposure to porn affects young women can't be compared to the way it affects boys. But the damage is very destructive to both. We are lost as a society and there's no turning back, unfortunately.
True... porn has an arguably FAR worse effect on boys. I'm always sure to point that out to feminists keen on making porn a misogyny issue about male "privilege" and "entitlement".
Older males? As in Fathers? The Feminists did away with them.
@@mht5875 Your bitterness is understandable. The later waves of feminism and 'queer theory' have caused havoc, no doubt about that. Although I think there are more factors involved in the breakdown of families than just feminism alone.
You boys really do love to be the victims, don't you?
It's not enough to acknowledge that men and women both suffer. Men have to suffer more.
And blaming society's shortcomings on feminism? Way to dodge responsibility.
@@mht5875 An excessively bitter (and short-sighted) take. Society is changing drastically, and men are failing to be role models, for many reasons unrelated to whiny activists.
Question...where does a homeless, jobless person get the money for all these surgeries? A bottle of wine every day? Hopefully not my tax dollars!!!
Sexual encounters, people typically will get compensated in return for sexual indulgences like money, rent, paying their bills, and everything in between.
Emotions are so strong at that age.
Thank you 🙏