Ahoy, MattCMG! It's been a while since the ship returned to TH-cam since the fourth and final part of our response series to Lily Orchard's video. The Admiral began college courses in January, so he's hardly had any time to tend to his other hobbies, much less work on anything related to the channel. However, it was a pleasant surprise to see you mention the ship on this video, so we thought it would be inappropriate if we didn't drop by to say thanks for the shout-out and the flattery. Once his schedule becomes a bit less congested, The Admiral plans to celebrate it being a year since he first watched "The Legend of Korra" by rewatching "The Legend of Korra", _then_ he plans to get back to work on the next video he has promised. Your hilarious comment response sequence also inspired him to consider making a video response to comments made under his own content, so thank you for being his muse. Excellently put video, and keep up the good work!
The Admiral's Analysis i really liked your video, and you really articulate your points. but something i want to point out, i don’t know if you are someone with a disability but if you aren’t could you not say the word ‘retarded’ it is very offensive
@@sophsmovingcastle How about working on yourself instead of asking others to work on themselves to make you more comfortable? Learn to not get offended so easily.
I think The Legend of Korra's worst problem, not to say the only, was Nickelodeon. It was good but it had more potential. It still came out good, and should be alot to say.
Once I found out how nickelodeon practically sabotaged the show and made it impossible for the creators to work with them, it clicked that they weren't given the creative freedom that they were with ATLA
Yeah, Nick giving Korra a guaranteed 4 seasons was a terrible decision. If it was just canceled after season 1 for not being good or season 2 for its major drop in viewers the pain wouldn’t have had to be drawn out as much.
Anthony Hernandez I mean compared to the end half of season 2, season 3 was good but I still think it fails in being actually good on its own. And season 4 is probably the best season over all, but that’s not saying much.
Aman Smith-martin if you think it’s a “banger show” that’s great, I’m happy that you could enjoy it. But to me, The Legend of Korra is an utter mess that would’ve left the world better if it didn’t exist.
my favorite thing about the mary sue argument is that after calling her a mary sue they then immediately begin listing off her flaws.. its like yo do you know what that means
Right! Literally Mary Sue is if Korra was the EXACT! Same character throughout the entire four books and extremely powerful from her debut, but she isn’t we see her change from this hotheaded teenage girl that couldn’t wait to become avatar just because to this growing woman that isn’t even as hotheaded as before who’s getting more mature as she gets older and is learning and has become such a skilled bender that’s been through so much, hell in the beginning she mainly used fire and now she’s uses mostly air that alone should show how much she’s grown. Like with Katara she is far from the perfect character, who got into arguments with almost every member of team Avatar to this wise woman who completely changed Also if she were a Mary Sue she wouldn’t have any flaws and we clearly see her losing and winning so.....
@@nataliawashington872 The problem, however, is that despite being the core protagonist, Korra appears to be deliberately set up to fail at every possible opportunity. And then before we have a chance to take in the consequences of her defeat, everything is almost miraculously restored.
@@reubenmanzo2054 well I mean that’s just done for pacing/writing issues they are given a tight schedule on when to release episodes and how many a season, also don’t forgot this is a kids show and for being a kids show it still did a good job of being intricate and deep on the surface level.
@@reubenmanzo2054 can you state an example? And if one of your examples are that she got her bending taken away well they had to give it back to her so she could give others their bending back too, also we have enough time to take in the consequences after she poisoned even after she gets all the metal out she still has to deal with PTSD. Also the creators didn’t know if they’d get more seasons so that’s why S1 felt rushed
@@jacocharzukanamericanautho2422 right my favorite part of Korra was her PTSD even after getting the metal out they didn’t make her problems disappear, she still had to deal with her psychological problems it showed that her problems were 30% the poison still inside her and 70% PTSD. Anyone who does that whole “mart sue” argument only watched S1 or half of it
I feel like some people have the misconception that character development = change of personality…. When it’s not. Character development is a character understanding more about the world and changing their views. Aang will always be a friendly goofy character and Korra will always be a competitive and aggressive character, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t go through character developments.
Aang had wisdom and lacked ability to bend other elements. Korra had physical prowess but lacked wisdom. They both acquired what they lacked over their own series.
Aang didn't start off as wise either. He started off as an immature goofball who did anything to avoid responsibility. That's why Jeong Jeong didn't think he was ready to master firebending.
@@vetarlittorf1807 ayy man you're kinda right but aang was relatively more grounded or level headed at the start. By the end korra became pretty wise avatar.
Vetarlit Torf Aang wasn’t wise, yes, but he was spiritual, which is a requirement if you wanna fulfill your duties as the Avatar correctly. Since Aang was an airbender and lived with the Air Nomads, he naturally was more spiritual which helped a lot when he finally learned how to go about unlocking the avatar state. Korra on the other hand is not spiritual like Aang or even other airbdenders were. She was brash and impatient, which is why Korra couldn’t airbend because she couldn’t be calm and concentrate, thus hindering her ability to connect to her spiritual side
Being dark skinned and female for the sake of "equality" or whatever, is like ignoring the fact the next avatar is supposed to be from the water tribes? Nevermind that Inuit people are tan anyway? >.>
@@Fang1st Who knows. Some of those hardcore fan hate her because they think she is somehow responsible for the reset of thé Avatar cycle. We're not talking about reasonable arguments here.
So a good one two punch I noticed early: Korra's story is about balance. Each villain has an opposite villain. Amon's anti bending stance because of what benders can do directly opposes Unulak who went full dark avatar, which is the worst a bender can do. You already said that Kuvira and Zahir are opposites as well. But another point: the defeat of each allowed the next to rise. Korra's cause and effect message was subtle and pervasive. Amon's defeat gave Unulak an opportunity to use a fully powered avatar to access Vaatu and through harmonic convergence, Zahir got air bending to allow him to destabilize the earth kingdom, bringing Kuvira. While Aang's story is about finding a new path and second chances (Aang's second chance to be the avatar, Zuko's whole arc, Toph in being herself, Sokka being a leader, Katara overcoming her trauma, etc.) Korra's is about finding inner peace and balance, and understanding your impact. Korra's entire journey is an internal one focused on self awareness. Following Aang, who had to remain true to himself in spite of the world's demands and finding a way to remain peaceful is a directly opposite story to Korra who had to determine who she is and define herself in spite of the conflicting needs of the modern world. Korra would have failed if the line of Avatars had not been broken, as she would have been pressured internally by them and externally by the world to conform to their expectations. Korra finding herself and becoming self aware is a far more rewarding story.
imo, i don’t think korra would’ve failed if she had the last avatars. If anything she would’ve done a lot better. Aang is such an understanding person and is very wise. He could’ve helped Korra when no one understood what she was going through, and there were a lot of times where that happened. I think a better season one ending would’ve been where Aang gave some very useful advice to Korra to help her understand that her actions have consequences, and she shouldn’t always go into something without thinking. This could’ve helped her to get character development throughout the show, instead of just in season 4. And Aang had to do the same thing when he was in the avatar state in the final battle, ready to kill Ozai. every avatar was telling him to kill him, but he didn’t. and that’s what made the moment so powerful. he stayed true to his beliefs/roots to the end. And the whole point of The Legends of Korra was to make her the complete opposite of Aang.
Oh wow I never really thought of that, I was honestly just pissed that they broke the line of Avatars, but now I see why they did that (I am still slightly annoyed but oh well)
I think one of the reasons people feel like Korra got everything handed to her was because she got to train as the Avatar in an isolated place, having masters flown in to see her. But this also explains her starting point as ignorant and cocky since she was so sheltered (which she hated)
Yeah, she became cocky since unlike Aang she didn't need to have a big, spiritual journey to figure out bending. But as the series continues she becomes less reckless. Sure she doesn't become as spiritually knowledgeable as most Avatars especially compared to Aang. But comparing Season 1 Korra to Season 4 Korra there's a noticeable change. That people should really analyze.
Well yeah I remember a lot of people criticizing her for not being “challenged enough” but personally I thought the bosses were very challenging. Besides it’d be boring to watch her travel the world exactly like Aang did. I liked how they did this
@@sarbear650 if you look at peices of avatar media it's obvious that the creators made the show with the idea for sequels in mind eg. How the avatar cycle works,the changing political and internal landscapes and the failures of past avatars. It's basically a guarantee that its different every single time
I really want this to be as popular as the “Why Korra is garbage” video essays that keep popping up and getting 100k to a million views. Different points of view deserve to be given room to spread.
Now see, here's my theory on that.....most of the general population if filled with a bunch of bumbling bafoons who are more content with going with the crowd, then dare something like going against their echo chamber norms or fucking thinking for themselves, and that when you get things like Lily's extremely bad opinions of LOK being the "majority opinion".
@@bassilosman8803 You're a complete fool if you agree with a single one of Lily's "points". In reality, they aren't point. They're a bunch of psuedo-intellectual opinions that she doesn't bother to back up, because she KNOWS those opinions are horseshit, and hopes her audience is stupid enough to not see through it.
wait people were mad that she wasn't pale??? the next element in the cycle was water.... water tribe people are based off the inuits.. who have darker skin. I-
@I Really dont know I appreciate you taking the time to type such a long response but I get what you mean and some stuff still does not make sense but I get you. Also, you have to realize it's a whole different show it might have some old stuff in it but you still have to look at it like a new show and don't think about how it was in the other show.
@I Really dont know I don't need more summary of why you hate the show lol it's just gonna make it worse and start an argument so I say we be quiet for now. 🌃😴💤👍🏻☺️
Wait, did people say she was brown just for the sake of diversity? Do they not see the skin tone of the water tribe? Is Katar not dark skinned??? Are they mentally broken? Or just racist...
No people don't say that (At least people who actually watch Avatar, I can't speak for the political responses that don't care about the show.) But Avatar fans don't say that.
Yes, everyone knows that Water Tribe people have darker skin tone(which is what the ATLA fans pointed out in the live action movie), but that is not the issue. The real issue comes from the following. Nowadays studios are notorious for adding diverse female characters just for the sake of race identity politics which mostly ruins great stories. And because of this any audience can and will complain about dark skinned female characters by assuming that they exist to ruin the show, and Korra is no exception.
@@johnnygreen2556 How would it "ruin" great stories if the next Avatar was still meant to be brown? Water tribe people are still brown. Her being brown isn't for the sake of diversity, it's literally what water tribe people are. Why are you beating around the bush? Just say you hate the Avatar as a woman or admit you're racist. If the Avatar being female or brown ruins great stories for you, than water tribe people having darker skin *is* the issue for you. Why even contradict yourself?
ABSOLUTELY. Some of the last episodes I watched, I was praising the music. It kind of reminded me of the last battle between Zuko and Azula, which I'm 100% here for. 😍
@@memebrain2177 music can elevate many scenes in a show or movie. It’s one of the most essential parts of film storytelling. While it may not affect the story, music can definitely invoke emotion in the viewer.
I think another reason Korrasami wasn't able to have the full impact we wanted was because of nickelodeon pushing back on it and censoring what the creators wanted to truly show.
I agree, if you read the comments they go into depth of their relationship people are mad that they don't have 'chemistry' but thats because we only saw the beginning of their relationship and because of all the chaos there wasn't time earlier to go into it in the show
Not True m8 as was stated by bryan in his post korrasami is canon he says that while the network did restrict what they could show it was the writers desision to keep it vague
That’s mostly in the avatar universe. I mean, look at Kyoshi. She will do everything to bring peace, whatever it is. Aang is very peacefull, he will really think about what to do and stuff. EVERY avatar is different.
Imagine if she was a carbon copy of Aang... The outrage of her being one would be insane and they would complain that it can't be as good as the original because it's just doing what the original show did but not as well...
Literally no major critic wants her to be Aang. But they compare her so much to Aang because Aang's circumstances are not only much more relatable and tragic, Korra fails to capitalize to make a fully realized character in the vain of the water tribe
Ya Boah Houston uhmmm more tragic? Idk, a person who becomes a dark avatar by using the dark spirit or a person who poisens you and then you can’t live properly for three years? Idk, that’s PrEtTy TrAgIc. Btw i’m with you tho bc what u said is true
Agreed. While it definitely couldn't stop the original, it's a good follow up. Yes, book 2 was definitely the weakest, but it picked up in book 3. And book 4 I feel ended the series well.
At first i couldnt watch it past the first few episodes of the series as i expected it to be the same as ATLA, but when i got tk the point when i could stop comparing the 2 series it became mucb better and i actually started liking it. I still prefer ATLA but i dont mind this series existing.
I have literally tried rewatching this show *purposefully* looking for things to hate about it, with the mindset that its gonna suck, and all I could find were nitpicks and things that ultimately didn't matter all that much.
@@MattCMG I went into it trying to love it and couldn't help but notice horrible flaws no matter how hard I tried to ignore them. It was only at the end of the second season, when they destroyed the Avatar lore forever, that I let myself admit that I hated the fucking show. I guess that's subjectivity for you.
Reckon they probably could have done that scene better though. I can honestly say that I didn't realise that was supposed to be a "Mako is prepared to sacrifice his life" scene until, a few days or so after watching series, someone said in the comments about how Mako was prepared to sacrifice his life. I mean, the service hatch to escape was right there. Not even locked or buried or anything.
@@TheLithp it's true that it's risky, and it's equally true Mako got knocked out, but it was only when he got knocked I was thinking "hey, he might get hurt." Except Bolin came back real quick. In the end the tension just wasn't there for me.
@@seandabest4329 For you. It was for me. Mako was ready to die and didn't even consider using the hatch, to mess with the vines as long as he can before the explosion, after which Bolin convinced Mako to promise him that he will at least try to escape. And he tried, but got knocked out.
I started watching LOK expecting it to be garbage because of all its hate but I fell in love with it after the first episode. The hate LOK gets is unparalleled to other shows and it doesn’t deserve it.
I totally agree! I think people hate it because they mostly expected to see an aang like character, but korra ain’t (at least at first) and that’s what i love most about her, she has flaws, she made mistakes, she’s HUMAN and i love that so fucking much. Korra is so precious and i love and aang the same.
As an angsty teenager when I first watched Korra, I also didn't like it. What changed my mind was when Tenzin saw Aang in the Spirit World when Aang told Tenzin "You're right. You are trying to hold a false perception of yourself. You are not me and you should NOT be me. You are Tenzin." That changed my minds in two ways: 1) reminded me that at its core, LOK has the same heart as ATLA and 2) Even as a cringy teenager I saw the parallels between LOK being compared to ATLA (a false perception of itself) Lok Isn't ATLA and it shouldn't BE ATLA. It's LoK.
kinda ironic how people missed the fact that this might be the show's way of telling the audience that the original gang's story is done. zuko got redemption, toph started to be more dependent, sokka found humbleness, katara overcame revenge, and aang accepted his role as the avatar. they all grew throughout the show's run, so that means they don't need an Avatar 2, but rather a series that focuses on a new Avatar. while some characters like toph, zuko, and katara (and aang as a spirit) all appeared in Korra, toph was the one who needed to learn the most (even though her story is over). in her adult life, she was so afraid of sheltering her kids like her father did that she wanted to give both her daughters to decide for themselves. of course this didn't turn out well, and toph recognized her mistake as a parent, and even apologized to both lin and su-yin.
I really liked how Legend of Korra had different bending styles. It made sense, considering the world was much more united than it ever had been before. It’s realistic for bending styles to merge.
@@ItsRemmyy Producing lava is an extension of earth bending, so you would not require fire nor lava manipulators among your ancestry. However, controlling air requires spiritual elevation on top of a genetic predisposition, unless there happens to be a shortage of people with this ability during a Harmonic Convergence and members of the general population are granted the power, seemingly at random, in a cosmic effort to restore balance, presumably. On the other hand, you might convince a lion turtle to hook you up with an element and then learn how to bend it by emulating animals that do so naturally. Now, this might all appear contrived at best, flippant at worst, but only because it absolutely is
@@cottonballs185 Im just saying that the avatar was thought to be the only person to lavabend until we meet that one dude in the red lotus. So someone thats not the avatar suddenly lavabending when they thought only the avatar could do it would raise some questions.
“The creators should’ve made Amon a series long villain” well considering lok was originally supposed to be only one season but kept getting renewed, they didn’t exactly have the luxury to do that like with Ozai and the wad
The Equalists still should have been a recurring threat. Civil rights movements don't just stop because one of the leaders is fake. But I do agree about the luxury part. If you think you're only getting one season you'll probably do what you can to wrap everything up tightly
@Aman Smith-martin That team was run by Tarrlock who's taken out a short while later and even the council itself is dissolved and replaced with a President.
@Aman Smith-martini get that but the point is that a civil rights movement doesnt have one leader. you dont wipe away hundreds to potentially thousands of years of tension and inequality between groups of people, because one dude turned out to be a fraud. when someone like amon can say something like "benders are responsible for all war", and that resonates with people, that can only mean this is a looong standing greivance non benders can have in their world. If anything him being a fraud n going missing would enrage radical non benders more that they, yet again, got fucked over by another bender from their perspective. i know amon was the only leader, by my critcism is of the narrative, he shouldn't be. having the equalists phase out is like the civil rights movement in america end because mlk was assassinated. Things just wouldn't play out like that. Even if the council weeded that out there'd still be a movement pushing, and it wouldn't just be in republic city.
recently watched LOK after being so put off by it because of everything i've heard on the internet on how bad it was. i saw season one when it aired years ago and i loved it but couldn't keep up with season 2 or anything after that, so i knew i eventually DID want to watch the rest. i was surprised by how much i loved it and i hope more people give it a chance.
Me too. Just finished watching ATLA, and wonder why people hated Korra, but just with first episode also understanding the premise of how young bender prodigy will eventually become avatar but have no connection to spiritual world is already good!
@@nanossquad1706 people hate it because she isn't aang. airbender is more light heart, simple minded and more family type of show. pokemon traveling adventure which is my favorite part. korra is a true reflection of our modern society. be it relationship, political blah blah. i can really relate the world and timeline or korra. korra is better for me.
The ATLA gang grew up in a time of war and poverty, and created a world of peace and prosperity. Of course the next generation is going to be more spoiled as a result. If anything, it's a testament to Aang's high-quality avatarhood that Korra is the way she is at the beginning of the story, rather than a detraction from his legacy.
@@desolation1322 Agreed. I always considered Atla superior to LoK but... after rewatching it and recognizing how great Korra is... they're on the same level now.
As a Korra centric channel who has recieved hate for being Korra centric, this video is brilliant! Brings up all the points I've always known to counteract but have never really said due to anxiety of being hated
A Healthy Dose of Fran That really sucks. By far the worst part of this korra hate mob is that you cant even discuss the show with other people who like it without people getting irrationally mad that you like something they don’t. I cant imagine how entitled you must be to seek out people enjoying a show just to tell them they’re wrong for having a good time. On the bright side definitely gonna check out your content, sounds fun!
To all you korra haters: If you look for the light, you will often find it. But if you look for the dark, that is all you will ever see. -Uncle Iroh When you base your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to the possibilities of a new reality. -Zaheer
@@linhansboury1886 srry you just seemed to have put 3 of these * which works on discord, and it was rip that you may have thought that, but i now see this is not the case, and I thought the slow clap meant it was a sarcastic clap and you were disagreeing :P
The Necromancer Nope! Totally agree,and and an LOK supporter! Even if I weren’t, I wouldn’t be an ass to diss a show like such on platforms to make myself feel better about my life 😜
I've heavily learned that most avid Korra haters are impossible to change their minds on korra being an amazing show and trying to is like arguing with a brick wall. But godDAMN I want to destroy those brick walls so badly.
@Grande Leonardo "more serious and mature matters"? really? ATLA was all about a genocidal and dictatorial nation that brought an entire culture to 99.999999999% extinction in one hour, and over the next 99 years, conquered and oppressed everyone else. You can't really get more serious or mature than that. Some of the serious moments, like when Air Temple Island was being invaded, Meelo farts. He farts with airbending. I don't know, that seems just a tiny bit out of place. Although, I will agree that Nick kind of really fucked their creative freedom with the show. In my opinion, it's an okay show. A smidge better than okay at best.
Others: i dont like Korra because she's too cocky, and is not like Aang Me: Well...she's not like Aang because she's not Aang (it'd be boring if she was a copy and paste of him)
Ppl don’t like her (Specially in season 1 and 2) Korra was cocky which was fine but she was also very aggressive and just so annoying at times at least with Zuko there was a reason why he was so rude and awful I felt no empathy for Korra which made her a horrible character she was good in season four tho
Samara Hussain dude her reason is because she thinks her status as the avatar gives her special privilege above others. That mindset for the most part is gone after season 1.
Bas Kuijpers How does that explain her violence I’m just saying again she gets much better in season 3 and 4 I was just disappointed as a colored woman myself of how she acts
It also bothers me how people are trying to shove their hate down our throats. Like, you are allowed to hate it, but stop forcing others to hate it. Whenever there is a positive post, people write hate comments and have no single respect, and we all have to agree. But when we say something negative about ATLA, which might not even be stupid hate, then it's wrong to them. We don't force you to like it, we want to just enjoy it without the negativity because at some point it just harms us to see daily negativity.
You are %100 right. I really gave up having a sensible argument with them because its literally pointless. What really bothers me actually not the hate comments. the real issue is they really think their opinion is best and we shouldn't have our own opinions, everyone should hate korra etc. For example the person who did the 'legend of korra is garbage"' deleting comments that defending series. It's unbelievable.
Rascal Fangirl am I the only one who hates it when I see comments on one of those channels telling the reactors to not watch legend of Korra, every time I read comments like that I think to myself ‘it’s their channel so why are these people telling them what they shouldn’t react to’ and The funny thing about that is I see these comments mostly on channels that do voting polls and yet they somehow think that they can just order the reactors around.
@@dimoned123 If you used your eyes you would've read what I said, no one forces you to stop hating it, we just want to enjoy it without people ruining it with hate. And some common sense: hate and criticism are two different things!
A wise man said it the best... " if you look for the light, you can often find it. But if you look for the dark, that's all you'll ever see." That second part is why the Korra haters are so toxic lol but I'm glad that channels like you and Blue lotus are defending this show.
Lok is ight. I've fought myself to "see the light" but I just couldn't watch without getting up to do something else. I wanted to stop watching in s1 but kept going till end of s2 then the losing past lives and "dark avatar" made me lose it. Dont get me wrong, learning ab the long ongoing battle between light and darkness was great info and entertainment that persuaded me to keep watching, but some moments felt "ongoing" and made the show feel like a mediocre anime(or animated show depending on whose side ur on). Those moments made me roll my eyes and think, "when will we move on?" And when korra would lose a fight u know she would win makes me wanna turn my phone off and get a cookie and watch the more enjoyable (in my opinion) predecessor, atla. Anyway, all this was just opinionated and I'm bored and got a little aggravated ab the quote.(I'm not a lok hater btw just think it could've been better.) Have a good one. 👌
@@asha-bi7by So Lok wasn't as great as It could've been bc nick confused and over worked the writers?(in terms of budget and whether or not they'd be able to work on another season.) I'm not mad at the show at all.(not saying u said I was)but My opinion is it was boring because: avatar state not as strong, other characters plots seemed like distractions from Korea's plot(main plot in my opinion), and long drawn out fights. Many will disagree with my reasons. Ik that korra knew the physical aspects of bending and had to learn the spiritual side of it, but it that whole spiritual learning thing lost meaning to me when korra lost touch to the past avatars. Bc MY favorite parts of both shows are when the avatar meets with his/her past lives. And Ig that's what turned me off from the show. Anyways I personally change my opinions very often bc of newly gathered information. Your reasons for the show not be as great as it should've hasn't changed my thoughts on lok(I dont think u were trying to change my opinion anyways, just trying to let me understand y it was ight and not great) All in all, I do believe it could've been better if the things u said weren't so.
asha I think the dispute in power between the two lies in that the stories are completely different. Atla takes place over a year during its run. Lok takes place over several years. Korra has also had more time to perfect her powers. When aang found out he was supposed to be the avatar, he trapped himself in ice and then woke up and only had a year in storyline before the firelord fight.
@@lonebattledroid4474 He is being like the haters but opposite, loving it so much that he blatantly ignores the flaws within the show that made it pretty bad,I am not comparing it to ATLA,but as an individual show,it was pretty bad.
@@daddykarlmarx6183 Not really. Starting from season 3 on, Korra and Asami had been very close. Not romantic but if you pay attention, its clear they value each other more than just ordinary friends. I don't think the end of Korra implied they liked each other immediately, but that they both just realized that they were bi, which is why they didn't kiss.
Unpopular opinions alert: Korra was never unlikeable to me, even in Season 1. The only time I was annoyed by her were a couple of times during the first half of season 2 The scene where Unalaq takes Ravva out of Korra and destroys the past avatars is honestly brilliant. Everything about it from Korra’s hopelessness, Unalaq’s satisfaction, the animation and score makes it one of my favorite scenes.
I understood her since 1. Like.... she isn't so hard to understand, growing from someone who had bending easy since a young age and being a great fighter, plus growing up in a place where she was treated so well and looked after for being the avatar to then moving to a city where people don't only dislike benders, but HER. She thought she would have it easy to change things and was shown it was harder than she thought and fighting would not solve everything. It's that simple to understand and people do mental gymnastics to hate on her...
@@nayrarodriguez3385 I think more in comparison to aang, she was dry, at some points unlikable, and was kind of pushed throughout the story. Everything felt extremely forced in TLOK and honestly plenty of other agree, IMO its not a bad show, but its not a great one either, its a middle of the road show that played of the nostalgia of original ATLA fans .
@@GiganticWeen I kindly disagree. I think the first big mistake that many people do is compare Aang and Korra when they are completely different characters and we are clearly demonstrated so from Korra’s introduction as a kid that mastered three elements, whereas Aang at 12 only knew air. Aang is forgiven for his childish behaviour because he’s a kid, even if he’s a 112 years old kid. But ignore how Korra was overprotected while growing up and then went out to a world that basically said they did not need her when she had grown up believing she would be welcomed with open arms and loved by everyone, because that’s what she had seen around her. Korra is a teenager realizing life isn’t that easy. I don’t know how anything was forced or “pushed through”, when, as said in the video, her struggles were very relatable. ATLA was a cute funny show that treated harsh themes in a lighter way, Korra doesn’t. Literally at the end of the first season we see someone committing suicide. Aang had another child with his uncle chasing him, or Azula. Korra has literal grown adults kidnapping her to k*ll her. She finds her way back to herself even after losing connection to her past avatars, which was something that literally saved her in season 1.
@@nayrarodriguez3385 yeah and alot of that is why TLOK didn't catch on as much. I don't think we're ever going to see eye to eye on this. As someone who watched ever atla episode as they came out on TV, and actively read all the comics and followed the media, korra legitimately seemed like teen drama show, based in the nostalgia of the show that came before it.
Out of all the "retcons" people bring up, the "Gift of Bending from Lion Turtles" drives me nuts. It's so freaking EASY to understand. They even gave us a scene of Avatar Wan learning the Dancing Dragon...from a *DRAGON!!!*
I'd say the problem with that concept is the fact that people bent the elements prior to Avatar Wan. Even though the Lion Turtle in the original series stated that people didn't bend the elements prior to the era of the Avatar.
@Kayden Wadley No, the Lion Turtles said they'll no longer give people the power of the elements. Meaning that those who already had the elements kept it and it wasn't taken away. My argument for people using bending prior to Avatar Wan is still valid.
When I first saw the first season of the show, I didn't like Korra's character because she was cocky, but every character has some parts that everyone doesn't like, but her growth as a person along with many other characters added to the show. At the end of the show, I was satisfied and agree that the story was beautiful. I personally felt Aang grew from a young immature kid to a wise and influential person. Korra had growth too, so it is incorrect to judge her by the first season or first episodes. Nothing is perfect, and I think it is good to acknowledge the faults in a character because otherwise, they would not be relatable or have an impact on the audience. I love the new ideas and diversity within The Legend of Korra. Air is the element of freedom. Water is the element of change. Aang brought freedom to the four nations, and Korra changed the world more than anyone since Wan. Regardless of what the haters say, this show along with ATLA will have a special spot among the best shows ever made.
Eventually, people will come around and enjoy TLOK for what it is - those who won't are just stubborn. This show is awesome; there's no excuse not to like it.
44:05 Did no one ever notice that Korra symbolically reached into Vaatu’s core to reach a tiny Raava? The entire point of duality is that you can always find a trace of one in the other
Well, while true, it's still the same as the rest of the yin and yang imagery used by raava and vaatu: superficial. Yeah, it's obviously referencing that concept, but it still misses the point of yinyang. Having one represent balance and one represent chaos is basically the direct opposite of it (or at least the way the narative framed it. If executed differently, balance and chaos DO form a great example of yin and yang). Saying that balance is achieved by locking away a yin or yang would be ridiculous. Raava and vaatu are depicted as being literally held back by eachother as opposed to complementing and/or creating eachother. Sure, if raava or vaatu dies, they create a new version of eachother, which is accurate in that whenever yin and yang flux, one will inevitably peak and then become or create its opposite, but this is not seen as natural and important like a fluctuating wave or fully grown crops producing seeds, or even disease influencing stronger health, but an unconquerable obstacle that has to be lived with. The way they interact implies that a world without vaatu would be better off, and a world without raava would be awful if not completely destroyed. The only reason that raava and Korea dont destroy vaatu forever is because they physically cant, not because they don't want to. Victory for the story is vaatus turn in his 10000 cycle with raava being halted. Avoiding the 10000 years of him being dominant over and over again is seen as necessary and good. Of course, doing so is the obviously good decision. Vaatus dominance was said to literally be world ending, but that's why he and raava dont work to represent yin and yang well. Also, to be clear, they really dont fit the dynamic between God and satan either. God lets satan run free in the world, and he is sometimes even viewed as directly working under God as a test for humaity, and is always lesser than him. He only exists because God let's him. The only real similarity is that they have a very black and white morality. Raava and Vaatu are far more comparable to the relationship between the jedi and the sith than yin and yang or God and satan (to be fair though, a lot of people misinterpret them to be like yin and yang too, but they very much arent, especially through George Lucas's original ideas for them, which is what vaatu and raava are most similar to). There's nothing wrong with having that type of philosophy either, I love star wars which is why I use them as an example, but it wasnt really what avatar was going for before that, and it certainly misunderstands yin and yang, which the shows writer were clearly refferencing with them. I honestly enjoyed korra, especially seasons 1 and 3, but the latter half of season 2 just feels really off in the ideas, themes, and plot elements it introduces, and a lot of it centers on these 2 and the odd choices they made with them
@@MattCMG you know i didnt mind the vaatu twist in fact avatar wans mini story was one of my favorite parts of the show but i wouldve loved to see the civil war a hell of a lot more
Korra isn't Aang. It's a different show. Also Nikelodeon literally made it as hard as possible for Korra to succeed. It's an amazing show. I wish the network would have given it more episodes per season so some character arcs could have been developed. All in all I prefer a lot of aspect to Aang's story, the themes are more mature and Korra is more relatable as a person.
@@drip2575 The show often presents complex issues, but their usually either simplified, or glossed over. For example anarchists in this show are reduced to madmen that wish to cause chaos. Granted, Zaheer also wants freedom as well as chaos, but most anarchists only want the former. This is why I think a real life anarchist would be offended by how Zaheer is depicted. The show also kind of dances around the question of what is the avatar’s place in a modernized world when there are no super villains to take down. The people I’ve spoken to about this have admitted that that we’re kind of left to infer what that answer is since the show doesn’t outright state what it is.
@@homingice6444 Yeah, what kind of oppression are the equalists even talking about? Their dialogue seems to paint benders as thugs and brutes, even though we don’t see many examples of that.
@@austinjohnsen4430 Yeah. By the end of each season, a lot of the themes or major questions the show asked the audience would just kinda be swept under the rug for the sake of having yet another good vs evil conclusion. The only time this didnt really happen was season 3.
God I would LOVE to see a video titled "Zuko is Garbage and here's why" where the first half of the video is blanket statements about his character using only the shit he does in season one, then the SECOND half is "gotcha! that was annoying wasn't it, to see a character that you know is deeply complex with an incredibly strong narrative arc and incredible character growth get written off because they're only judged on the "before" part of their arc... now imagine how people who have actually watched all of TLOK feel" and then the second half is a brutal takedown of exactly how and why it's hypocritical to criticize Korra by only looking at her in season 1, followed by an extensive breakdown of her growth, depression, and PTSD that show just how similar her arc is to Zuko's
@Tommy Natantiel do you realize that the LoK haters began with that toxicity and they exist since Korra first aired? You normally see a freaking TON of videos telling you "You *SHOULD* hate Korra", literally we LoK fans are just reacting to it and also it is the very reason LoK fans are a minority within the ATLA fandom. (Edit: punctuation)
As a kid, LoK scared the crap out of me because how realistic it is, especially Korra’s struggles. My brother is a huge fan of ATLA yet he appreciates LoK ALOT.
If Korra hadn't actually grown as a person, they would have valid points on her character not changing, but that's not what happened. God, people who don't watch past the first season piss me off.
@@robertoaguiar6230 yeah this is the biggest mistake they did, Kuvira was a great enemy with a backstory, i would love to see general iroh and his army vs kuvira's while kuvira and korra 1v1 that would be amazing
Yeah, people get really confused on the subtle character development through the series as well as changing views n the series, the best two examples of this is Korra and Amon- which proves that they don't go past season 1 and think it's like that for the other three It's kind if sad too- the legend of Korra is a good show though
The internet for so long held me back from watching this bc everyone said it was so bad but I just watched it recently on Netflix and wow this show was absolutely amazing man
I honestly don’t like this show but that shouldn’t stop u from watching it if u like something than like it it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it but so am I and in my honest opinion I don’t think this show is worthless but it’s far from perfect or even good. If you like this show that’s fine but just like people shouldn’t shit on you for liking something you shouldn’t shit in them for disliking g something- thank you for coming to my ted talk
@@Chachiandfriends but then there's people saying it's bad like it's an statements, like stfu who tf do they think they are a?? lowlifes that invalidate someone's else's opinion over THEIR opinion
Hot take: Korra wasn't bad in season one. She just wasn't. What did she do that was so terrible in S1? The only morally wrong thing she did was make out with Mako while he was in a relationship, but she still didn't do it out of malice, she was just following Penma's advice of going after the one you love. Sure, she could be disobedient and impatient but like...she was 17, that's most teenagers. Those qualities are usually praised in male characters, but not Korra. It's so stupid.
Idk who the hell praises men who are disobedient and impatient. Men like that are the worse. It’s not even just me, anyone who is like that WILL drain the life out of you
Dude fuck you on? What Korra did to Mako would have seen as sexual assault if Korra was a dude. It doesn't matter if she did it for malice or not. The action itself was malice and creepy.
I Love Everything You see men do it on screen all the time...so the fuck YOU on? Ever seen an Ashton Kutcher movie? He usually kisses the girl in the exact same fashion when he knows the girl has feelings for him. It’s been done on screen forever.
Legend of Korra is added to Netflix. TH-camrs: "It's free real estate." Realtalk though it's nice to see Korra finally get some love after people were bitching about it so much. Like, the ending of season 3 is a fucking recently traumatized and wheelchairboun Korra shedding a single tear. Literally the last shot before credits. Other shows WISH they had the balls to go that hard.
Seriously though. That finale is so underrated. It took the season from good to fucking fantastic. I love ATLA, but season 3 of Korra the creators popped off
the complaint with the ending of season 3, which i have to, is that zaheer for some reason has a huge impact on korra's mental health but the other villains just didn't? in season 2, korra battles a giant monster with the capacity to destroy the world, and that doesnt affect her mental health even though zaheer's attack does? also, korra's recovery just makes no sense. she basically goes into the spirit world with zaheer and suddenly she's just fine? theres no development of her character throughout her recovery which i think is really dumb.
I don’t care what anybody says dawg Korra is a dope sequel to Avatar. Sure it’s different but it’s still solid & very underrated. If you actually give the show a chance some of y’all might actually like it.💯
The baffling thing, about the criticism surrounding the villain's philosophies being flawed, is that the show literally explains why they're flawed. In season 4, Toph explains to Korra, that each had a noble goal, to make the world a better place, but because they were imbalanced, it pushed all of them to extremes. Each was to be a mirror, that also contrasted with Korra's own philosophy, that she could learn fron to be a better Avatar, in the good, and the mistakes.
This may be a very unpopular opinion but I actually really enjoyed watching Korra, even a little bit more than Avatar TLAB. Don't get me wrong TLAB is a phenomenal show but Korra left me with a lot more to reflect on and years after watching it I find myself still reflecting on some of the themes it introduced and how many risks it took with its storytelling to explore the question of what makes the Avatar the Avatar.
Personally, I found it super refreshing that the world changed so much between the two shows. Almost all fantasy settings are completely static. In Middle Earth, the world is the same between the fall of Sauron and the War of the Ring 3500 years later. Same languages, same people, same politics, same technology. Seeing a fantasy setting grow and change over time is so unique!
LOK has a very special place in my heart because it’s the show that made me realise I wanted to work in animation and take my drawing and art more seriously. I don’t think LOK is better than ATLA but to call to garbage is a complete over exaggeration.
It's so stupid, Korra and Aang are supposed to be polar opposites as characters, they live in completely different worlds and grew up totally different since they both have different views. Like Aang lived in a world that needed the avatar to end the war but he never wanted to be avatar, while Korra lived in a world that didn't need the avatar but she wants to be the avatar, and she had to deal with more complex political issues than a power hungry monarchy/superior complex having ozia. Korra is hot headed and confident, she solves conflicts through violence but has no compassion and defines herself through being the avatar, she has to find her own identity as person and develop compassion. Aang on the other side is grounded in his personality, has empathy, he tries to solve conflicts through understanding and compassion instead of violence, but he is super insecure about his own abilities, he runs away from his problems and doesn't want to have the responsibility of an Avatar, he wants to enjoy his childhood, so he needs confidence in himself. Both have interesting character arcs. But what Aang and Korra share is that they both learn the most and reach their greatest potential, when they are in stressful situations or threatened of death, for example Korra learns to move and avoid attacks like an airbenders when she almost looses in her first pro bending match, Aang learns to bend earth when he and Sokka are danger of getting killed by saber-tooth moose lion. What I hated the most is when people complain that world building is so entirely different from ATLA, with all the technology and a "too modern and westernized" city like Republic City. As if in ATLA we didn't already had the fire nation who had colonies in other nations to leave an influence all over world and the fire nation being so extremely technological developed with the flying airships, the machines, the factories etc. So of course they share this technology with the rest of the world after the war and everything gets developed even more. And Republic City is still an quite asian city, it's literally modelled after Hongkong of the 30s. Or when people complain that pro bending exists and that the traditional style of bending got lost, while ignoring that most benders still use traditional techniques and that we already had an underground earthbending tournament in ATLA where earth benders competed for money, fame and prices like a golden belt.
Yup. Delusional Korra's fanboys always like to use the "don't compare, apples to oranges" defense. Look, I was so fucking enthusiastic when the first teaser poster/art was published, the steampunk one. I was happy. A new direction, in the future, new avatar. A the beginning Korra struck me as an annoying brat (i don't like characters like this, especially if they are the main one because it means i'm gonna be stuck with a brat for how long?) but I let it pass. The worldbuilding was great in s1 first episodes. The set up for the villain and antagonistic forces felt excellent... and then the writers shat on their pants. But the first seeason was decent enough. In s2 is when the whole show felt bitter to me, irredeemeable. So no, I wasn't comparing nothing. I was expecting good storytelling like any movie or show I watch, or any novel or comic I read. That's a bare minimum. @@daguroswaldson257
Just to add to the whole "The fact that it's blood bending instead of energy bending" conversation. I've been watching the reactor "A Goodwin TV" as I find his reactions pretty interesting. He's going through LOK right now and while watching episode three literally says "Hmm.. it doesn't seem like he's using energy bending. I wonder why the show would leave this ambiguous". I laughed so hard that right out the gate he picked up on the fact that it might not be energy bending. For me, I've never had a problem with the reveal that Amon was using blood bending to take away bending. As you pointed out in the Avatar Universe, it has already been established that Chi Blocking will temporarily take away your bending. So applying a little bit of logic, it's not a giant leap to think that Amon is doing something to permanently keep those blocked.
While the bloodbending explanation was good, I do think that Kitara should have been able to heal it easily, which also would have circumvented the terrible avatar spirit using spirit bending on her "solution."
_The Legend of Korra_ is a curious case study in collective obsessional behavior. It's a general rule of reality that nothing happens in a vacuum - that all events happen in reaction to some other event. However, the hate _The Legend of Korra_ receives seemingly just poofed into existence from another dimension. Usually when people dislike something, they have reasons for it, but what makes it so bizarre in the case of _The Legend of Korra_ is that those reasons do not correspond to reality. The majority of the criticism is targeted at a tortured caricature of the show that is born from those people's own imagination, which they then pretend is the actual show so they can apply the criticism to it. This disconnect plagues a very large chunk of the community, not just one or two odd individuals. It's literally impossible not to see at least one person spew hate about this show in any Avatar-related video on TH-cam; I have seen it in the comments of videos that have absolutely nothing to with Korra, not even a name-drop in passing, yet there is always someone saying something negative about it. And these people do it with such intense vitriol that makes it seem like they were traumatized by the show or something. And because the hate is targeted at what ultimately amount to nothing more than fabrications disconnected from the reality of the show, it also makes these people seem somewhat schizophrenic - hostile towards hallucinations that only they can see. I have never seen a large scale phenomenon like this with any other fictional franchise. I genuinely have no idea where this hate comes from. Most of it is so irrational and detached from reality that it doesn't even compute with me - there is no common ground or sympathy to be had on either end because these people appear to think on an entirely different wavelength. For that reason I think it's for the best that discourse with them be avoided. While yours is a great video in terms of argumentative substance, I feel publicly responding to individual comments detracts from your point that these people shouldn't be taken seriously. By doing that you are giving them attention and a platform, and in that way legitimizing them. I understand the craving to validate your own opinion by having the last word all too well, but ultimately it's a complete waste of your time and brain power that could be used much more productively elsewhere. Otherwise, excellent video. Sorry for the long comment. Just felt like providing my two cents.
@Shonksu yet ironically a lot of the points bashing Korra are in fact dumb and/or ignorant. Like the complaint about how the technology advanced even though they had a giant fucking drill in AtLA.
The hell are ya talking about? People watched Korra, didnt enjoy it and thus the hate, further engulfed from lots of criticism. It didn't come out of nowhere. also people hating on shows do their own emotions is completely normal.
@@promisnwekenta9703 disliking is one thing. Hating it to a burning passion, while ignoring its good qualities and nitpicking on details to the point of blowing it out of proportion is something else. Which is what most haters are doing. Not to mention all the double standards of AtLA purists, like making a huge deal of Korra getting her bending back in book 1,but giving the deus ex machina in Sozin's Comet a pass. And I happen to know people who hated the show despite only watching one season. But they changed their minds after fully watching it, and admitted the mob mentality of haters had an effect before.
i personally, love korra more than avatar, i love both shows i just feel like as a teen i relate more to korra, her story is very realistic, i like how the writers didn’t shy away from writing what ptsd and depression looks like, its a really nice and refreshing thing to see especially when its a kids show (which doesn’t really mean anything tbh) her character ark is soo well done, and looking back at it now the story i soo smart, i mostly like how they didnt make the story too much about zuko, toph, katara and aang.
That’s fine if you like Korra more because you personally found it more relatable. But even the most die hard Korra fans will admit that avatar is still an objectively better written and put together show.
@@austinjohnsen4430 yes i definitely agree that avatar is a very well done show, nothing like it would ever be compared to an impeccable and a perfect show, i will admit that avatar is excellent, if i can i would go back as a child to watch it for the first time. and for korra, well its also a very well done show with small flaws which im sure avatar does too, thats what i like about the show the flaws is what makes it korra yk? i just genuinely love how its incomparable to avatar as it is made about another persons life and not continuing with the avatar characters (well they kinda did continue but it wasn’t the focus of the show)
@@metki Personally I have a lot of issues with the show. Mostly with the first two seasons. For example it really frustrates me how Korra’s backstory and training with the white lotus isn’t elaborated on much. In episode one their clearly disappointed in how Korra lacks restraint. But wouldn’t getting her to show some restraint be pretty high on their to do list after witnessing her break through a wall and setting someone’s robes on fire when they first met her as a toddler? Their also disappointed in how Korra hasn’t connected to the spirit world. So clearly they want her to realize that bending isn’t all there is to being the avatar. Maybe if we got a flashback or two on this point in Korra’s life audiences would have had an easier time getting behind her, or at least tolerating her.
@@austinjohnsen4430 well i mean it would be really nice to see a small flashback of how she was when she was a kid, we saw a flashback in season 2 where she goes to the spirit world. i do agree with you on the season 2 part (i loved season 1) it just wasn’t as good as season 1 with the plot being super cliche, i mean i like cliche but this plot was already explored in avatar, the villains were super cheesy ngl and korra got on my nerves for most of the show, season 3 was just a masterpiece its my favourite season, the “villains” we well written, i wouldn’t call them villains theyre not that evil tbh but the way they illustrated their ideas wasnt morally right, anyways season 4 was really good aswell, i loved it due to its slow demeanor at the start, the fight scene between kuvira and korra is just wow, its all about skills than trying to overpower the other person anyways sorry i got carried away but i agree with you for the most part.
@@metki Here’s the thing with the villains. The writers wanted them to feel like real people with real goals, but they also needed to make them villainous enough so that the heroes can be justified in taking them down. For example, was Zaheer meant to be an accurate representation of an anarchist? Because he comes across as more of a parody of one. Yes, anarchists believe that governments and other forms of leadership, but I don’t think they believe that everything will be magically fixed by simply enticing people to cause chaos.
I believe you built a straw man argument for your interpretation of Raava and Vaatu. The reason they are labeled as being more western inspired is the way they are treated in the show. Most of atla deals with spirits in a way that labels them as neither bad nor good. Spirits represent things and they act to protect and oversee those things. But with Raava and Vaatu the show presents it as if Raava is morally superior to Vaatu. Vaatu is said to represent darkness and chaos while Raava represents peace and light. Neither of these forces are inherently bad or good so to say that one needs to be locked away or destroyed is not a form of balance. It’s the suppression of something based on the subjective view that it is bad. This parallels a more western style belief of how certain things are bad and certain things are good instead of the eastern style which is more focused on how opposite forces balance each other. Eastern style philosophy is reflected by the war atla shows spirituality. The western style of thinking isn’t wrong or bad but it isn’t consistent with the rest of the atla universe. This is is why most people view it as a problem.
This! I actually like Korra overall but I think the whole second half of season 2 is a travesty that does genuinely do harm to a significant part of the lore; even more frustratingly there are a huge variety of small tweaks they could have done to have fixed at least this part of it (not saying that would have fixed season 2 as a whole!). Of course I can still enjoy ATLA just as much as I always did but Korra does kind of diminish the coolness of the concept of the Avatar in my mind. Personally while I thought Lily Orchard made a few good points I certainly disagreed more than I agreed - but ironically even though I liked Korra overall I think I feel the same about this video. Matt seems to largely be deflecting criticism by creating strawmen or misunderstanding the criticism (ironic given how his answer is often that people have misunderstood the show) and would rather read strawman criticism in a stupid voice than provide patient well-reasoned arguments. Personally while I disagree with most of the criticism of Korra's character, I agree that Bolin, Mako, and Asami were pretty crap most of the time, most of the attempted comic relief was downright annoying, season 2 was crap in general, and the lore changes in season 2 were irksome to say the least (even if most of them don't directly contradict ATLA). Trying to pretend that these somehow objectively aren't problems with the show and that those who hold these opinions are stupid just falls flat for me.
I do not hate the show but I dislike it because Korra gets defeated more often than she wins fights. I do not mind that she is different from Aang but Korras Avatar state was a joke.
I appreciate the positivity towards TLOK. People are so overly critical of the show. To the people who don't like the show, give it another chance and go in with an open mind.
I was discouraged from watching Korra because of all the criticism on YT, then I gave it a chance and I absolutely loved it. In some ways i like it better than the Last Airbender, both were phenomenal. Korra has better fighting animation IMO. And both explored different themes.
I wish more people would do the same. But sadly, we have some morons who’ve never seen the show, and automatically call it bad because of people like Lily Orchad and ER
Legend of Korra isn't a bad show but it's definitely far less dynamic than ATLA. And you know what? That's fine. LOK had lots of strong points and lots of weak ones. As a show on its own, It's damn near phenomenal but as a continuation to TLA then yes, I see the narrative issues, the characterization issues and the overall vibe of it that people don't resonate to as....Much. And I think most of the criticism goes to Korra's season 2. But overall I think Korra is a decent 6.5/10
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 10 - Flawless 9 - Amazing 8 - Great 7 - Good 6 - Decent 5 - Mid 4 - Below average 3 - Bad 2 - Awful 1 - Fairy Tail Most of Season 2 and awful romance subplots cripple greatly and even then LOK gets a considerably high score. MAYBE you could push a 7. The point is that LOK is a good show.
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 But the awful romantic subplots were in almost every season and they tended to water down overall tension occasionally and make characters come across as annoying
This is canon dialogue between Avatar Aang and Avatar Yangchen in the spirit world. Aang: It’s been an amazing experience to meet my past lives. Yangchen: And what did you learn by meeting them? Aang: Well...I realized that no avatar is perfect. They all struggled and made mistakes like me. Yangchen: Very wise. Aang: But it made me wonder - why is the avatar a human in every life? Wouldn’t it be better if the avatar was an all powerful spirit that never died? Yangchen (who at this point is dead and knows who Raava is and would have no reason to withheld Raava’s existence from Aang): I don’t think so. The avatar must be compassionate towards all people. And the only way to do that is to live with them. The avatar must experience sadness, anger, joy, and happiness. By feeling all these emotions it helps you understand how precious human life is. So you will do anything to protect it. If you were an all powerful spirit (again Yangchen is dead and is fully aware that the avatar is in fact part of an all powerful spirit) living on the top of some mountain you wouldn’t have much in common with a regular person. So the avatar continues to take human rebirth and with each life learns what it means to be human.
Diego David It really isn’t. All the Avatars May have Raava inside of them, but they’re still humans who experience emotions. Tenzin literally tells Korra “you are not Raava. Raava is not who you are. You are Korra.”
@@barackobama6715 it's still extremely contrived and stupid, just because origins technically makes sense as an explanation doesn't mean anything (you could've written anything and said it's the origin story, doesn't mean it's good), because it contradicts several of the show's values. I still can't see why people defend the mess that was season 2.
Toxic people: Korra is bratty, impatient, head strong and gets defeated to easily! Also toxic people: KOrRa iS a MaRy SuE Like what? It’s one or the other guys...
Ya Boah Houston you actually can’t, a Mary Sue by definition is a female character who has little to no flaws and defeats all her rivals too easily. Ergo Korra, who suffers mentality, physically and emotionally throughout the series in order to defeat her enemies and has several character flaws she has to work on, cannot be a Mary Sue.
Thing is, she's all of those things and it certainly gets her into trouble, but then she learns absolutely nothing, changes absolutely nothing about herself, doesn't grow at all as a person, and then she still comes out on top and saves the world anyway - well, everyone else saves the world and fixes everything, but she's the Avatar so she gets the credit. Everything's handed to her on a silver platter despite her blatant flaws and constant blunders, which makes her characterization pretty close to a Mary Sue despite not meeting the dictionary definition.
SynysterDawn I respectfully disagree, she learns to be less impulsive and less reliant on violence to achieve her goals. This is seen when she talks to Kuvira in book 4 and she even says, after Su tells her to fight Kuvira ‘that’s something the old me would do’. She even has a ptsd arc during book 4 where she has to learn to accept a traumatic experience. And about your point on others fixing things for her, that’s kind of a big deal to her too. She even gets angry multiple times over the fact that other people are saving the earth kingdom and protecting people while she can’t. Compare this to, say, Rey from Star Wars, who never really has to work or earn anything yet becomes very powerful and wins easily against stronger characters. The first time Korra fought Kuvira, she lost. When she fought Unalaq, she lost. Aang was given a dues ex machine way out of his final battle but people don’t call him a Gary Stu do they?
i really love Korra's personality from the beginning, because if she's already spiritual connected from the start like Aang, the show would've have ended a bit early, and i really like her as a relatable person. and even though she's not spiritual connected as Aang, at least she's able to grasp it at book 4. and the thing that really pissed me the most is how TLOK haters say that Korra is the worst avatar/protagonist you couldn't let them be almost the same, that would REALLY ruin the magic of the show. Korra is just being herself, and Aang is just being himself. they both have same duties to the world but have different points of view, different kinds of fears, weaknesses, strengths, growth and how to handle things in their own way.
LOK needs more episodes to be honest to let their characters breath and develop. When Bolin calls them “team avatar” it seems contrived. Just get rid of Bolin’s try too hard to be funny personality and useless characters like Meelo. Some of ATLA best episodes were just a slice of life episodes. Stuff LOK desperately needed.
Its not a terrible sequel but it could've been better like one of my critiques is that Korra gets beats up alot, & shes the most powerful force on the planet, i get they dont wanna make her seem invincible, but that could've been toned down some
I’ve got a mega conservative friend who is a diehard LoK fan. He has Korra as his background on his monitors and phone, and actually likes Korrasami. Lol, the argument that Korra is supposed to be for SJW Tumblr troglodytes is false. If a religious conservative can enjoy it, anyone can enjoy it.
Shonksu E;R literally said Asami had no combat training and she shouldnt be mad at her father (even though he tried to kill her) because shes a spoiled rich kid. Its obvious that he either never watched the entire season 1 or watched it and made his 4th video based on hazy memories
I Am rewatching the show for the 3rd time and just finished season 3 and I teared up at the season finale when Jinora got her tattoos. The music, the symbolism, ad seeing Korra just absolutely broken, is something I don’t think I even felt in TLA. This series is incredible from the fight scenes, the choreography, the music, the characters, and the occasional nostalgia. I genuinely don’t understand the hatred
initially I hated TLOK without actually fully watching or digesting the show, I only made my assumptions from subjectively watching clips of it on TH-cam.But as I actually delved into the show with an objective mindset, I actually thoroughly enjoyed the show especially season 1 and season 3 (some parts of season 2 in terms of aangs children’s interactions). Look is TLOK a balanced show as ATLA is in terms of it being a even conglomerate of humour, action, poignancy, visceral emotion etc not entirely!!However, in all fairness this is attributed to Nickelodeon’s restrictions and indecisiveness towards the writers of the show. But all in all Korra is an amazing show, season 3 of TLOK is breathtakingly phenomenal and up there in the ranks of Season 2 and 3 of ATLA!
To be honest, same here. All I did was watch TH-cam clips and people nitpicking the show, even though I have not seen it in years. I want to rewatch it and see if I really enjoy it or not. With an unbiased mindset and fully digesting the show on whatever it gives.
Yeah I think why I personally never gave it too much of a chance is because of the first episode. Even now I still don’t like how they introduced us and the protagonist to republic city. The other thing is in season one and two is where Korra is the most gullible person in the world especially season two where it took 5 minutes for the uncle, who is obviously trying to use her, to make her distrust her own freakin father and this was before she knew of the banishment.
C E I understand fully. I feel like a main problem with TLOK is korra herself, She isn’t a compelling protagonist and only receives substantial character development in the 4th season alone.
FINALLY SOMEONE NOT BASHING THE LEGEND OF KORRA!!!! because of the videos saying its bad i hesitated watching the legend of korra i watched it saw bad things but was like what the hell why are people saying this is so bad sure thers problems but its good and i like it. (i just wrote a rant.... what have i become)
You think that's a rant?! HA! That's Cute!.... I regularly go on Multi-Paragraph rants about all kinds of shit at almost random places,towards Random people... Case and point, THIS... Though, this is technically not yet long enough to be Classified as a rant for me, not even close! Also I Agree with your Shouted point...
yeah it isn't even that bad, honestly from how much people were talking shit about it, I genuinely thought I had no taste but now I know who really has no taste
Personally, I didn’t really see it coming. But I think it is because I can’t really see signs. Mainly because I just spend time alone and don’t interact with many people. In the end though, I quite like it and find it nice. I ship it now that I have dug deeper and looked for it. I don’t have anything against Bi-sexual and Homosexual. I like how these relationships are explored more in modern media to help educate the younger generation. In the end, I like the ship and love the comics which explore their relationship more.
@@halfknight2310 Yeah I agree, to be honest when I first watched the show it felt kinda sudden, But once I watched again, The chemistry was clear to me.
I personally like TLOK, but there are parts of it that I don't like at all. A bunch of them comes from the whole "we didn't know if we get a new season" thing like axing off interesting villains a bit too fast. I didn't care for the Raava and Vatu storyline because I was more interested in the civil war that was happening. It's still good. Nothing was pulled out of anyones ass. I even figured out the possibility of KorraSami way before the last scene. There's things that make it not as good as ATLA for me, but I have a hard time to understand the hate it got. It's absolutely fine. It's not as groundbreaking as ATLA but very few things are
As a side note. I also like Dragon Prince. The story and world is a lot more generic than Avatar, if you have read or played a lot of sword and sorcery style of stuff, but the characters are still written very well. They are likable and/or hateable in similiar ways that I really liked Aang or Sokka or Korra. Or how I hate the bad guys with a passion, but I understand where they come from. I'm ready to accept their possible change of heat if the writers go with the Zuko route but untill that I will just love to hate them
My issue with Korra is that something that was always more interesting to me than the main plot was around then dropped for the less interesting main plot. Season 1: I loved the concept of benders being a problem with humans wanting to rise up to defend themselves. Problem: There was too much of that bending sport that took away from what I wanted to see was how were benders being oppressive. What led to this division in Republic City. I actually liked Amon who would be my favorite villain of the series if not for him just being a water bender manipulating people in the end. I do wish Ty Lee's method of fighting and Chi blocking was how humans fought benders.. I like martial art fights more than technology battles. This isn't a comparison to last airbender but what I prefer in action scenes in general. Season 2: Water tribe war another interesting concept that made me salivate. I knew the Northern Tribe rigid way of thinking would conflict with the southern tribe as a way for an avatar to deal with the water tribes being a central issue. Sadly it was the veil for the spirit plot which I again didnt really care for. There is a video essay on season 2 that explains my feelings on it already. season 3: The easy button fix of adding air benders didnt jar well for me. It felt like a forced way to undo genocide while also being unrealistic at the same time. If I suddenly got to airbend then why would I want to change my life to fit their ways. People teaching me how to use my powers great but not if I suddenly have to live the monk life. Zaheer (I hope I spelled that right) being like the only person who didn't feel a mystic need to do the right thing here is off to me. I did love his plan of wanting to kill the avatar but his logic behind it was weak for me while at the same time the changes they made to the avatar in korra actually lends to him having valid points. I still disagree but there it was. Season 4: I just hate mechs. I love Kovira (hope thats right) but still hate mechs so much if im not watching a mech series. Season four is probably the most solid season as im sure the writers knew it was the last one, knew what they wanted to do, and knew how to focus in on that. Quick note on the reason it gets the hate it does: People grew up with the last airbender myself included from about 10 I think from episode 1 all the way to sozin's comet's premiere. The problem Korra does is that it starts to chip away at what made Avatar's world and story structure great to try out its own thing. It feels more like its chasing a different audience then catering to the cult audience it already had. Thats evident in the tone, characters, pacing, and structure (This is more NIcks fault so I don't fault the writers too much). tl:dr While it may not deserve the hate it gets I won't say that its some masterpiece that a lot of the "better than you think" videos that are all over the place now want to tout. Simping for a series is just as bad as unbridled hatred.
@@BraveHeartedHero1 I agree with most of that. Except that I think the whole different style was them understanding that their original fans had grown up since ATLA, so the series should grow up too. Hence the aged up Avatar and more politics instead of just a big bad guy. I would have loved to see any of the bad guys more, but thanks to the studio not giving them similiar "this is how many seasons you get" freedom that ATLA did they kinda had to give them an ending just in case this was the last season. It could have been way better, but it's fine. I won't hype it up like I do whenever I'm talking about ATLA, but I don't see where the huge hate comes from
@@0Quiwi0 I don't think aging up the cast was really a bad idea. I think the issue was focusing on topics that the fans probably didn't care too much to see. Relationships and politics was probably the bad choices there. I know I didnt care for the political stuff at the same and my interest in the subject didnt start until I was much older. Now I know enough about politics that I dont find the way Korra did it to be interesting upon review.
The internet happened....Personally, I think it stems from toxic tumblr cultures reincarnating on other social media platforms. I say this as someone who used tumblr in its heyday and has experienced the rise of social media.
@@kevinscott3047 ATLA fans really out there making 30- 2 hour videos hating on TLOK, and they never forget to include some dumb bs like "one of it's flaws was that Sokka wasn't in it"
We get so caught up in arguing over these two breathtaking and beautiful shows that we fail to see the true message behind them which is to treat others with kindness...sad
I don't have time to watch this video right now, but THANK YOU FOR DEFENDING KORRA. I love the show and it has a depth to it people cannot seem to understand because they are too busy comparing it to ATLA. I always tell people that it's a show that needs to be seen in a light separate from ATLA. It's like comparing The Hobbit to LOTR: same universe, different story. But you don't see people hating Frodo because his story is different from Bilbo's. Sure, Korra has flaws, but a lot of that can be attributed to Nickelodeon screwing them over. Overall, the show dabbles in darker themes and develops Korra in a way I've never seen before in female characters. They develop her AS A PERSON, with highs and lows and strengths and weaknesses.
They can " write female characters in a dark light " but korra is a piece of shit to people and people should compare it to ATLA because it's a sequel you idiot.
@@latanyagarlon4654 Clearly you need to be schooled in manners if your first response to someone's opinion is to call them an idiot. Also, perhaps you need to learn to read since you completely miscontrued what I said. But then again, it's close-minded, impudent people like you who are unable to see Korra for its true worth and resort to twisting the words of others.
I always thought that the full moon just made waterbenders stronger, therefore they became strong enough to bloodbend. Therefore were there a strong enough natural waterbender then they should be able to bloodbend without it
Oooh that's actually a good point. Bloodbending was only possible during the full moon because it gave waterbenders the necessary power up. It's possible that Yakkon and his sons were just strong enough to not need it.
@@MattCMG I think that's a poor excuse to enable major acts of bloodbending. It's unfortunate that premise has to exist in order for the first season to work. I would have appreciated it more if Amon had trained so much that he was capable of small acts of bloodbending without the full moon, like what would be necesarry to permanently chi-block people, rather than being able to constrict people's bodies entirely during the day.
@@Yodalemos I mean, the full moon requirement for waterbenders to bloodbend wasn't very logical to begin with. Blood is water, it shouldn't even be hard for them to control other humans when they already can control other things with heavy amounts of water. The limitations obviously exist to not make waterbenders overly powerful but it shouldn't be hard to understand how powerful waterbenders could bloodbend without the full moon.
@@Yodalemos I'm 90% sure in the episode "The Southern Raiders" Katara bends blood without a full moon. Edit: There's about a 66% chance that there IS a full moon when she blood bends in that episode. So that's not definitive evidence for or against bloodbending without it.
@@jonnemesis11 You clearly have no idea how muddied the water in your body actually is. The water in your blood is also in constant circulation at rapid speeds. Try again.
I LOVED the villains in LoK, the fact that they originally had good intentions is so realistic. they thought they were doing the right thing by going this far. They have specific character traits that blew up because they were put in power. that made them villains. it just made so much sense for the plot
Ikr! Unpopular opinion but I actually preferred these villains than ATLA. It was either the first one where its a somewhat relatable issue that we’ve seen in society, or insanely intense battles like in season 2 Dont get me wrong the fire lord vs aang was epic but once Aang got to avatar state it was just a one sided blood bath, Korra it was a bit more stress and struggle and I was on the edge of my seat
Bad taste. The intention was good, but the execution was trash, sorry. They should've stick with one or two antagonists through the four books ,that way we have more space to develop them. The way it was done (due to poor Nickelodeon decision making and lack of faith) it felt like fucking Power Rangers. A new villain appearing and now Korra was tortured forever and it felt like exploitation porn at some point. All for the "drama". Too dramatic, felt soapy and angsty. You don't need to be SERIOUS to be more mature and deep. ATLA was deep even with the goofy jokes and characters. Korra really struggled with the humor too, another disappointment. Bolin and the Howard Hughes lookalike were as funny as a cemetery. Jesus christ. And then they ruin the avatar lore, state, her connetion... just to up the stakes? felt really cheap. Another argument I always hear is that the creators saw the avatar state as "too OP" and problematic narrative wise because every new avatar would mean we'd have to sit through the whole process, making it boring (allegedly) and also a deux ex machina problem (too OP, remember?) but I'd easily argue that this becomes a problem if your are not creative enough in the writing in how to present and develop the Avatar state, the connection with past lives and all that mystic jumbo. It's shortsighted, they thought too much on Korra's show current state and problems and forgot what made this world feel so rich and magical. Fucking firebenders using lightbending to work in fucking factories... give me a break. Also the Spirit World felt like pokemon.
I watched Lily and E;R’s videos before watching LOK and I agreed with them mindlessly. I then watched the show on Netflix and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was like wtf I thought this show was bad. Great video Matt.
Yeah I remember watching the first season of Korra and enjoying it but I never got to the other ones and people were always saying it was trash, but after a rewatch it's a really good show and equal to last airbender honestly
I will never get you guys but if you think me to be a mindless idiot child who just comments and says this show is bad well whatever. Only robots can say facts
Some people say she never even lost during season one, had character convenience with whatever she dealt with and that Aang could have dealt with everything better than Korra. Yet she lost to Amon when she challenged him to a fight (which she learns from and actually remembers this when dealing with Kuvira) and his brother Tarrlok who bloodbent her into submission, and it was extremely convenient for Amon to inadvertently rescue her. Yet Amon had reasons later explained for not bloodbending her and for taking out Tarrlok in secrecy. Yet, Aang lost to archers in season one and had it not been for Yue, Zhao would have forever created disharmony, but that’s not convenient. Both situations were explained which makes both of them okay, so why the hate Korra?
she should have stayed defeated in season 1, its nick's fault for ordering a miniseries and then asking for more episodes mid-season, but yue was already marked out as distinct from the other water tribe. what people dislike with LOK's ending is how aang somehow physically manifests to just give her back her powers and she never truly learns from it, and that the equalists concerns are never brought up again even though they could have been addressed in the show - which is politically unrealistic as we see irl that simply discrediting a charismatic figurehead fails to truly end the movement. People enjoyed the fear that Amon brought until it was revealed he was just a broken af bloodbender, and then taking him out in the most cheap way possible. People hate S1 Bolin's character's inconsistency and the probending and love triangle plots that took up a third of the season.
hiro progatonist Yes I agree, I would have loved for her to stay defeated during season one and gain energy bending through spiritually connecting with each of the elements while Amon furthers his plans leading to a great final battle. I agree with TheGreatSummoner. Yue was a convenient plot device more than anything. How she just so happened to be cured by the moon and in the same time period when the moon was going to be destroyed. Yes Aang coming back was strangely explained and I think the video address what she learned from losing her bending, if anything it humbled her and made her grateful for having the powers she possesses. And the equalization movement dies down after Amon’s and Hiroshi’s defeat since many people (like the lieutenant) were shocked and hurt by his reveal and that they lost their chance to revolt. Plus, they disbanded the council and make a non bender the leader of the city. The equality movement was not completely eradicated until the defeat of Hundun I thought and all of my friends who watched the show with me thought that Amon being a bloodbender was terrifying. He was still intimidating and intelligent but now he felt unstoppable. Plus what else could he have been? He couldn’t have been a spirit since he had blood. If he was a non bender who used energybending then how was he able to resist Tarrlok’s bloodbending? Plus the episode where it is explained that he is the son of Yakone and brother of Tarrlok gave his character depth and opened the possibility of how he could be beaten. I am okay with Korra learning airbending since it makes some sense but the part where she was resisting his bloodbending was terrible since he just removed her of waterbending. And Katara said “My bending is more powerful than yours Hama your technique won’t work on me” implying that you have to know how to bloodbend and be stronger than the person bloodbending you to resist it, or be in the avatar state which Korra ignores all of these rules. As for Bolin, I don’t see any inconsistencies during season 1 but definitely during the beginning of season 2 until he reverts towards the end of that season.
@Janken Mastery of the Avatar State means being able to control it and yeah it is usually a last resort but also a defense mechanism which is how it counters blood bending
Virus from what I recall, he brings it up (maybe out of nowhere but I didn’t think so) because other people hated Korra for lgbt reasons. I don’t think he wanted his video defending the show to be completely addressing human rights because it’s not what the whole show is about. And many hate the show for non-lgbt reasons. So I think he kept it short cuz arguing with a bigot isn’t worth putting a lot of time into.
@@BluesJayPrince I don't hate TLOK but I am just addressing that it was irrelevant and one aspect of the show which can be criticized. I am aware that in many ways TLOK is a better show than ATLA but overall it falls behind due to being a sequel rather than a series of it's own. There were principles and laws of the first Avatar show which should've been followed in the next one in my opinion. Whenever I thought something epic is going to happen when Korra enters the Avatar state, she always leaves the Avatar state and gets defeated so fast by all her foes.
Virus I’m confused whether you are saying him bringing up people hating Korra for gay-hate reasons is irrelevant to his argument or that gay-positive aspects of the show is irrelevant to its reception as a good show or not.
Virus Virus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, dude. The video isn’t called “TLOK is better than ATLA”. It’s just trying to debunk some of the common criticisms that are poorly constructed (and I said SOME not ALL). And I think your issue with anticlimactic avatar states was a purposeful way of showing she was not a fully-realized avatar in those moments. But if you’re going to hold TLOK to the same bar as ATLA, there were times Aang did nothing amazing in the avatar state (getting killed by lightning). Also the meaning of the avatar state was different for the shows. Aang’s demonstrates immense power to show his immense resolve and mercy when not using it to kill. Korra’s avatar state was often used to show her spiritual journey (abusing it at first but coming to understand its true nature).
As much as I find the entire 'critiques of responses to critiques of a critique' side of TH-cam kind of hilarious and redundant, even I enjoy Lily Orchard being called out on her bullshit. As for Korra, great show, one of my favourites :)
Probably it will lead to more people watching it that aren't die hard atla fans and being like: oh it's a fun show, and the fandom being a bit less toxic
Well, she's not always right. I mean, in season 2, she places complete trust in Verrick (Varick? I don't know how to spell his name), to the point she loses almost everything. But yeah, she's the brains of the group like Sokka was, I agree.
@@vetarlittorf1807 What do you think he sees as the world set right? No governments, no institutions of authority, no society, no one with any authority over anyone else. It's not even tribalistic times, he tries to make the world regress even further than it was during Wan's time.
@@Spherrum Nothing implies that is what he wants. He's not even against authority, just illegitimate hierarchies and illegitimate authority. What he wants is a world without national borders where stateless communities thrive. "Where man's only allegiance is to himself and those he loves" AKA stateless communities.
@@vetarlittorf1807 This statement - "Where man's only allegiance is to himself and those he loves" - makes it impossible to have any kind of comunity. Because being a part of comunity is being allied to that comunity and the comunity being allied to you. He wants the entire world to consist of people who only care about those who are close and dear, which is not a comunity. 99% of that means small families that don't interact with even other families, because they have no reason to interact. By the way, a community cannot exist without a leader or other figure (or figures) that provide order. Which is someone with authority. And you are wrong about him wanting to eliminate ONLY illegitimate hierarchies. He wanted to assassinate president Railko just because he was a president. A legitimatelly and lawfully elected president. - Do you still want to take out the president? (Ming Hua or P'li, can't remember) - He'll have to wait (Zaheer)
I actually liked season 4 more then 3 to be honest. Korra in the beginning was actually one of my favorite version of korra frying to overcome her fears and such as well of being pretty weak.i like the big consequences it had compare to previous seasons.
I love how they're freaking out how it's like they supposedly were injecting "'Merica!" into the Last Airbender universe. Never mind that half the point of the aesthetic of Republic City was to reflect the interjection of Western culture into Chinese and Japanese cultures in the 1920's. Watch movies like Jet Li's Fearless or Fist of Legend. Fearless deals with the seemingly radical changes China was going through in comparison to it's traditional roots and Fist of Legend demonstrates the evolution of martial arts that happened when introducing western fighting techniques like boxing into traditional martial arts. It's really obvious that Korra took signification inspiration from Fists of Legend as well as similar movies when showing how Pro Benders were evolving the use of bending and developing new skills and techniques. Hell, just being a fan of martial arts films in general what they were going for was REALLY obvious to me.
@@luminousxii Try reading next time. My entire point was interjecting western looking things into Republic City was a deliberate choice to reflect a certain point in history.
That would probably make more sense if there was even a "west" in the Avatar world. Instead I'm left wondering where all this came from and why I'm hearing jazz trumpets and tanbos together.
I feel like most people who call legend of korra garbage and haven’t watched it. Yes legend of korra has it flaws but it’s still good and one of my favorite animated series I do like avatar the last Bender more but this doesn’t deserve as much hate as it gets.
I enjoyed my time with the show. I'm glad videos like this exist, I agree with a lot said in it so far I'm legit SHOCKED people are calling her a mary sue, she's so flawed lol.
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 the way mary sue is used even looking up the definition is confusing. its so muddied that the people that run the website tv tropes refrained from having a definition to it, because the consensus is so murky. It seems like a character is often called a mary sue if there is speculation that a character, usually a girl, is made to be this person that is too strong or perfect. because apparently dude characters are never political
She's a pseduo Mary Sue in that she's handed everything on a silver platter despite barely achieving anything or growing from anything that happens in the show. She's not flawless, but her flaws and mistakes often bear little to no consequence. Doesn't get much more Mary Sue than her having her bending taken away - literally the one thing that defines her as the Avatar - but is then suddenly and miraculously able to Airbend despite still not understanding the element and lacking spirituality, and then she's immediately given her bending back, plus energy bending, plus a mastered Avatar State. What did she have to go through, achieve, or change about herself to actually earn any of this? Nothing, she just whined and cried and had everything taken care of for her by Aang. Only thing keeping her from being a pure Mary Sue is that she usually fucks up in someway before everything gets fixed for her by the next episode.
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 She still had little to no understanding of Airbending and the spiritual side of bending. Even though there's some sort of loophole with Amon blocking her bending - since neither the show nor the writers in interviews later adequately explain any of it - it still doesn't make any sense for her to suddenly be proficient in Airbending out of sheer desperation. Even she's surprised and doesn't understand how it's possible, she's just handed the ability to Airbend and throws some punches to win. She goes all her life being completely unable to Airbend, fails in every way with her training to Airbend, but then she can just do it anyway and it's exactly what she needs to win even though she was completely helpless and useless with the other three elements. No, I understand it all perfectly, it's just poorly written and doesn't make any real sense. She may not always act like a Mary Sue, but she sure always ends up reaping the benefits of being one in the end.
Fucking love this video. I laughed my ass off when you were reading the comments of people who could barely formulate a thought. I have to deal with them in almost every Korra clip I watch on YT. If this video came out back in 2015, the community wouldn’t be nearly as toxic as it is now.
Hatred is a mental illness. When I'm not enjoying stuff, I'm just say:"I don't like it". So should you, save energy for something else. Welcome to "how to make your life happier 101".
Strawman arguments; funny that those were the ones chosen to be "debunked" and not any more complex arguments. But I guess that'd be too hard for your brain to do.
What I hate is the victimhood Korra stans take. It's like. Bro, we're allowed to criticise a show and leave you to love it, but no - the existance of opposing opinions appears to arouse feelings of invalidation in you. Grow up
I’ve always felt that Korra gets all this extra hate for no reason. While I love ATLA, in some respects I prefer Korra because it’s more grounded and a bit more mature. It’s a great series and I love both of them so I hope people will start to love Korra too, because the series is so deserving of the praise it should be getting.
The reason it gets hate isnt because it's bad. It's because it's a horrible successor to ATLA. Korra had potential to be one of the best shows ever made and they flopped it. Now that doesn't make it a bad show, but it is extremely dissappointing because it could have been so much better. ATLA is fucking miles ahead of it.
Princess Azula Genocide, government conspiracies, Zuko scarred and banished by his own father, prisoner labor camps. Tell me, in what way does LOK compare to this.
Unrelated to any of the points brought up in the show, but I could never hate a show in which the music slaps so hard. And let me tell you my man, Korra music slaps harder than Korra herself
@@henrywayne5724 no matter what faults the show may have, nobody will be able to take that moment from LOK. imo the show peaked there, and by god did it peak
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Ahoy, MattCMG! It's been a while since the ship returned to TH-cam since the fourth and final part of our response series to Lily Orchard's video. The Admiral began college courses in January, so he's hardly had any time to tend to his other hobbies, much less work on anything related to the channel. However, it was a pleasant surprise to see you mention the ship on this video, so we thought it would be inappropriate if we didn't drop by to say thanks for the shout-out and the flattery. Once his schedule becomes a bit less congested, The Admiral plans to celebrate it being a year since he first watched "The Legend of Korra" by rewatching "The Legend of Korra", _then_ he plans to get back to work on the next video he has promised. Your hilarious comment response sequence also inspired him to consider making a video response to comments made under his own content, so thank you for being his muse. Excellently put video, and keep up the good work!
Aye aye, captain... er, admiral!
where legends meet
The Admiral's Analysis i really liked your video, and you really articulate your points. but something i want to point out, i don’t know if you are someone with a disability but if you aren’t could you not say the word ‘retarded’ it is very offensive
@@sophsmovingcastle How about working on yourself instead of asking others to work on themselves to make you more comfortable? Learn to not get offended so easily.
Salute to you Admiral
“Why doesn’t sokka just look at the moon and get water bending”. Oh he does buddy. From his eyes
"that's rough buddy"
I think Im tear bending too
Sokka gets the ladies "watery" if you catch my drift
Tear bending
Lol ol
I think The Legend of Korra's worst problem, not to say the only, was Nickelodeon. It was good but it had more potential. It still came out good, and should be alot to say.
Once I found out how nickelodeon practically sabotaged the show and made it impossible for the creators to work with them, it clicked that they weren't given the creative freedom that they were with ATLA
Yeah, Nick giving Korra a guaranteed 4 seasons was a terrible decision. If it was just canceled after season 1 for not being good or season 2 for its major drop in viewers the pain wouldn’t have had to be drawn out as much.
@@rupertpupkin1476 I dont know what you were talking about. Season 3 was the best and season 4 was a good closing to the show.
Anthony Hernandez I mean compared to the end half of season 2, season 3 was good but I still think it fails in being actually good on its own. And season 4 is probably the best season over all, but that’s not saying much.
Aman Smith-martin if you think it’s a “banger show” that’s great, I’m happy that you could enjoy it. But to me, The Legend of Korra is an utter mess that would’ve left the world better if it didn’t exist.
my favorite thing about the mary sue argument is that after calling her a mary sue they then immediately begin listing off her flaws.. its like yo do you know what that means
Right! Literally Mary Sue is if Korra was the EXACT! Same character throughout the entire four books and extremely powerful from her debut, but she isn’t we see her change from this hotheaded teenage girl that couldn’t wait to become avatar just because to this growing woman that isn’t even as hotheaded as before who’s getting more mature as she gets older and is learning and has become such a skilled bender that’s been through so much, hell in the beginning she mainly used fire and now she’s uses mostly air that alone should show how much she’s grown.
Like with Katara she is far from the perfect character, who got into arguments with almost every member of team Avatar to this wise woman who completely changed
Also if she were a Mary Sue she wouldn’t have any flaws and we clearly see her losing and winning so.....
@@nataliawashington872 The problem, however, is that despite being the core protagonist, Korra appears to be deliberately set up to fail at every possible opportunity. And then before we have a chance to take in the consequences of her defeat, everything is almost miraculously restored.
@@reubenmanzo2054 well I mean that’s just done for pacing/writing issues they are given a tight schedule on when to release episodes and how many a season, also don’t forgot this is a kids show and for being a kids show it still did a good job of being intricate and deep on the surface level.
@@reubenmanzo2054 can you state an example? And if one of your examples are that she got her bending taken away well they had to give it back to her so she could give others their bending back too, also we have enough time to take in the consequences after she poisoned even after she gets all the metal out she still has to deal with PTSD. Also the creators didn’t know if they’d get more seasons so that’s why S1 felt rushed
@@jacocharzukanamericanautho2422 right my favorite part of Korra was her PTSD even after getting the metal out they didn’t make her problems disappear, she still had to deal with her psychological problems it showed that her problems were 30% the poison still inside her and 70% PTSD. Anyone who does that whole “mart sue” argument only watched S1 or half of it
I feel like some people have the misconception that character development = change of personality…. When it’s not. Character development is a character understanding more about the world and changing their views. Aang will always be a friendly goofy character and Korra will always be a competitive and aggressive character, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t go through character developments.
Exactly!!!
Korra didn’t have a fucking journey. For shit
Aang had wisdom and lacked ability to bend other elements.
Korra had physical prowess but lacked wisdom.
They both acquired what they lacked over their own series.
Aang didn't start off as wise either. He started off as an immature goofball who did anything to avoid responsibility. That's why Jeong Jeong didn't think he was ready to master firebending.
@@vetarlittorf1807 ayy man you're kinda right but aang was relatively more grounded or level headed at the start. By the end korra became pretty wise avatar.
Vetarlit Torf Aang wasn’t wise, yes, but he was spiritual, which is a requirement if you wanna fulfill your duties as the Avatar correctly. Since Aang was an airbender and lived with the Air Nomads, he naturally was more spiritual which helped a lot when he finally learned how to go about unlocking the avatar state. Korra on the other hand is not spiritual like Aang or even other airbdenders were. She was brash and impatient, which is why Korra couldn’t airbend because she couldn’t be calm and concentrate, thus hindering her ability to connect to her spiritual side
@@LM-ix7pk learning bending is also a requirement to fulfill your duty as an avatar
@@newwind404 Honestly, you don't have to be a good bender if you have control over the avatar state.
Being dark skinned and female for the sake of "equality" or whatever, is like ignoring the fact the next avatar is supposed to be from the water tribes? Nevermind that Inuit people are tan anyway? >.>
Considering there isn't a single white person in their whole universe, I don't get the idea that they did it for ratings.
Considering the fact that that is the least problematic part of her character, I don't think it's the reason hard-core Avatar fans hate her.
@@Fang1st Who knows. Some of those hardcore fan hate her because they think she is somehow responsible for the reset of thé Avatar cycle.
We're not talking about reasonable arguments here.
Contevent Did you forget about the swampbenders?
@@Contevent can you provide evidence that it's the fans I'm talking about that act like that? And not just people hating it for the sake of hating it?
So a good one two punch I noticed early: Korra's story is about balance. Each villain has an opposite villain.
Amon's anti bending stance because of what benders can do directly opposes Unulak who went full dark avatar, which is the worst a bender can do. You already said that Kuvira and Zahir are opposites as well.
But another point: the defeat of each allowed the next to rise. Korra's cause and effect message was subtle and pervasive. Amon's defeat gave Unulak an opportunity to use a fully powered avatar to access Vaatu and through harmonic convergence, Zahir got air bending to allow him to destabilize the earth kingdom, bringing Kuvira.
While Aang's story is about finding a new path and second chances (Aang's second chance to be the avatar, Zuko's whole arc, Toph in being herself, Sokka being a leader, Katara overcoming her trauma, etc.) Korra's is about finding inner peace and balance, and understanding your impact. Korra's entire journey is an internal one focused on self awareness. Following Aang, who had to remain true to himself in spite of the world's demands and finding a way to remain peaceful is a directly opposite story to Korra who had to determine who she is and define herself in spite of the conflicting needs of the modern world. Korra would have failed if the line of Avatars had not been broken, as she would have been pressured internally by them and externally by the world to conform to their expectations. Korra finding herself and becoming self aware is a far more rewarding story.
Its a struggle we can all relate to and done in a naturel way.
imo, i don’t think korra would’ve failed if she had the last avatars. If anything she would’ve done a lot better. Aang is such an understanding person and is very wise. He could’ve helped Korra when no one understood what she was going through, and there were a lot of times where that happened. I think a better season one ending would’ve been where Aang gave some very useful advice to Korra to help her understand that her actions have consequences, and she shouldn’t always go into something without thinking. This could’ve helped her to get character development throughout the show, instead of just in season 4. And Aang had to do the same thing when he was in the avatar state in the final battle, ready to kill Ozai. every avatar was telling him to kill him, but he didn’t. and that’s what made the moment so powerful. he stayed true to his beliefs/roots to the end. And the whole point of The Legends of Korra was to make her the complete opposite of Aang.
Wow 😮 long comment
Nah, I don't think it was more rewarding than ATLA. Nothing can top that satisfaction.
Oh wow I never really thought of that, I was honestly just pissed that they broke the line of Avatars, but now I see why they did that (I am still slightly annoyed but oh well)
I think one of the reasons people feel like Korra got everything handed to her was because she got to train as the Avatar in an isolated place, having masters flown in to see her. But this also explains her starting point as ignorant and cocky since she was so sheltered (which she hated)
Yeah, she became cocky since unlike Aang she didn't need to have a big, spiritual journey to figure out bending. But as the series continues she becomes less reckless. Sure she doesn't become as spiritually knowledgeable as most Avatars especially compared to Aang. But comparing Season 1 Korra to Season 4 Korra there's a noticeable change. That people should really analyze.
Well yeah I remember a lot of people criticizing her for not being “challenged enough” but personally I thought the bosses were very challenging. Besides it’d be boring to watch her travel the world exactly like Aang did. I liked how they did this
@@sarbear650 why would it be boring? If it was changed enough it would be interesting
@@skull_lee i just never liked remakes where it’s verbatim the same plot just with different characters
@@sarbear650 if you look at peices of avatar media it's obvious that the creators made the show with the idea for sequels in mind eg. How the avatar cycle works,the changing political and internal landscapes and the failures of past avatars. It's basically a guarantee that its different every single time
I really want this to be as popular as the “Why Korra is garbage” video essays that keep popping up and getting 100k to a million views. Different points of view deserve to be given room to spread.
Now see, here's my theory on that.....most of the general population if filled with a bunch of bumbling bafoons who are more content with going with the crowd, then dare something like going against their echo chamber norms or fucking thinking for themselves, and that when you get things like Lily's extremely bad opinions of LOK being the "majority opinion".
Trevor Hale for me a like the show just I agree with lily orchards points
@@bassilosman8803 You're a complete fool if you agree with a single one of Lily's "points". In reality, they aren't point. They're a bunch of psuedo-intellectual opinions that she doesn't bother to back up, because she KNOWS those opinions are horseshit, and hopes her audience is stupid enough to not see through it.
Trevor Hale man please it’s not garbage it’s. Great show but really flawed he makes good points and I have my evidence
I still don't really like Korra but I agree
wait people were mad that she wasn't pale??? the next element in the cycle was water.... water tribe people are based off the inuits.. who have darker skin. I-
@I Really dont know Then what was your reason?
@I Really dont know I appreciate you taking the time to type such a long response but I get what you mean and some stuff still does not make sense but I get you. Also, you have to realize it's a whole different show it might have some old stuff in it but you still have to look at it like a new show and don't think about how it was in the other show.
@I Really dont know I don't need more summary of why you hate the show lol it's just gonna make it worse and start an argument so I say we be quiet for now. 🌃😴💤👍🏻☺️
Those were a tiny minority of people. The vast majority of People don't think like this.
@I Really dont know yeah. Though I have seen the argument that Korra is a Mary Sue and though I don't like Korra this is just not true
Wait, did people say she was brown just for the sake of diversity?
Do they not see the skin tone of the water tribe? Is Katar not dark skinned??? Are they mentally broken? Or just racist...
No people don't say that (At least people who actually watch Avatar, I can't speak for the political responses that don't care about the show.) But Avatar fans don't say that.
Like bruh it wouldn’t make sense if she didn’t have darker skin since she has to be from the water tribe.
Anyone who complain about something as stupid as the skin color of a character is an idiot.
Yes, everyone knows that Water Tribe people have darker skin tone(which is what the ATLA fans pointed out in the live action movie), but that is not the issue. The real issue comes from the following.
Nowadays studios are notorious for adding diverse female characters just for the sake of race identity politics which mostly ruins great stories. And because of this any audience can and will complain about dark skinned female characters by assuming that they exist to ruin the show, and Korra is no exception.
@@johnnygreen2556 How would it "ruin" great stories if the next Avatar was still meant to be brown? Water tribe people are still brown. Her being brown isn't for the sake of diversity, it's literally what water tribe people are. Why are you beating around the bush? Just say you hate the Avatar as a woman or admit you're racist. If the Avatar being female or brown ruins great stories for you, than water tribe people having darker skin *is* the issue for you. Why even contradict yourself?
No matter how you feel about Korra, can we just say? THE SOUNDTRACK IS AMAZING!
ABSOLUTELY. Some of the last episodes I watched, I was praising the music. It kind of reminded me of the last battle between Zuko and Azula, which I'm 100% here for. 😍
So? It doesn't make anything better about the series overall unless you're implying you have to be blind or slow headed to appreciate this reboot
@@memebrain2177 the show is good 👍
@@memebrain2177 it’s actually a show of maturity to collectively share what you like from a flawed work of art.
@@memebrain2177 music can elevate many scenes in a show or movie. It’s one of the most essential parts of film storytelling. While it may not affect the story, music can definitely invoke emotion in the viewer.
I think another reason Korrasami wasn't able to have the full impact we wanted was because of nickelodeon pushing back on it and censoring what the creators wanted to truly show.
I personally wish that korra ended up back with mako or even bolin that’s rlly the only part I don’t like about the show
I doubt it, the writers probably held back because in 2012 it would have rejected by parents n shit
I agree, if you read the comments they go into depth of their relationship people are mad that they don't have
'chemistry' but thats because we only saw the beginning of their relationship and because of all the chaos there wasn't time earlier to go into it in the show
@@gerald6811 not really as explained in the tumbbler post "korrasami is Canon" bryan goes into details why it was the way it was
Not True m8 as was stated by bryan in his post korrasami is canon he says that while the network did restrict what they could show it was the writers desision to keep it vague
This video probably took so long to make. Respect.
It was about a year in the making in terms of actually writing it, but recording and editing it took only a few weeks.
@@MattCMG
Holy fuck! A year! I try to argue against haters but I could NEVER devote this much effort in doing so! Props! 🤘
@@MattCMG wo it takes me a week to upload but a whole year i gotta song
Fuck this shit i'm out mhmh
This is a dismissive rant that doesn't address all the flaws of these sh*tshows.
@@LeviAckerman-km9qu Watch the intro again bro. I was only debunked the invalid bullshit that gets spread around, not debunking the valid criticisms.
What most people don’t get is that she’s suppose to be the opposite of aang.
That’s mostly in the avatar universe. I mean, look at Kyoshi. She will do everything to bring peace, whatever it is. Aang is very peacefull, he will really think about what to do and stuff. EVERY avatar is different.
Imagine if she was a carbon copy of Aang... The outrage of her being one would be insane and they would complain that it can't be as good as the original because it's just doing what the original show did but not as well...
I know like
Literally no major critic wants her to be Aang. But they compare her so much to Aang because Aang's circumstances are not only much more relatable and tragic, Korra fails to capitalize to make a fully realized character in the vain of the water tribe
Ya Boah Houston uhmmm more tragic? Idk, a person who becomes a dark avatar by using the dark spirit or a person who poisens you and then you can’t live properly for three years? Idk, that’s PrEtTy TrAgIc. Btw i’m with you tho bc what u said is true
I feel like Korra had flaws, but I still really liked it.
Same
Everyone with a brain should agree
Agreed.
While it definitely couldn't stop the original, it's a good follow up.
Yes, book 2 was definitely the weakest, but it picked up in book 3. And book 4 I feel ended the series well.
At first i couldnt watch it past the first few episodes of the series as i expected it to be the same as ATLA, but when i got tk the point when i could stop comparing the 2 series it became mucb better and i actually started liking it. I still prefer ATLA but i dont mind this series existing.
Every avatar had flaws cause they're still human which is makes it more realistic .
🙌🏾 Not all heroes wear capes. 👏🏾
Lol Antoine here too
Already did.
@@AntoineBandele I already know spiderman doesn't wear a Cape you dont need to remind me
Antoine Bandele oh snap!
Love your channel too
Watching Korra and knowing people’s criticism made me think “are we watching the same show?”
I have literally tried rewatching this show *purposefully* looking for things to hate about it, with the mindset that its gonna suck, and all I could find were nitpicks and things that ultimately didn't matter all that much.
@@MattCMG glad you guys loved it. I don't hate it as there is a lot of good stuff in it but I just found it disappointing
@@MattCMG Also what's your thoughts on the Kyoshi Novels?
@@MattCMG Korra lives in a Sokkaless world and it's literally the only reason why I hate the show so muchh
@@MattCMG I went into it trying to love it and couldn't help but notice horrible flaws no matter how hard I tried to ignore them. It was only at the end of the second season, when they destroyed the Avatar lore forever, that I let myself admit that I hated the fucking show. I guess that's subjectivity for you.
You gotta give it to Mako though, that scene in the finale where he destroys the spirit vines with lightning was pretty dope.
Un Known facts, my boy mako was ready to die for his city
Reckon they probably could have done that scene better though. I can honestly say that I didn't realise that was supposed to be a "Mako is prepared to sacrifice his life" scene until, a few days or so after watching series, someone said in the comments about how Mako was prepared to sacrifice his life.
I mean, the service hatch to escape was right there. Not even locked or buried or anything.
@@seandabest4329 But...Bolin pointed out how risky it was, & Mako gets knocked out before he can make it.
@@TheLithp it's true that it's risky, and it's equally true Mako got knocked out, but it was only when he got knocked I was thinking "hey, he might get hurt." Except Bolin came back real quick. In the end the tension just wasn't there for me.
@@seandabest4329 For you. It was for me. Mako was ready to die and didn't even consider using the hatch, to mess with the vines as long as he can before the explosion, after which Bolin convinced Mako to promise him that he will at least try to escape. And he tried, but got knocked out.
I started watching LOK expecting it to be garbage because of all its hate but I fell in love with it after the first episode. The hate LOK gets is unparalleled to other shows and it doesn’t deserve it.
PEOPLE ARE UGLY
I totally agree! I think people hate it because they mostly expected to see an aang like character, but korra ain’t (at least at first) and that’s what i love most about her, she has flaws, she made mistakes, she’s HUMAN and i love that so fucking much. Korra is so precious and i love and aang the same.
@@whysoserious4793 Pretty, similar of how they hate Boruto.
Korra is korra aang is aang
@@uvindukulathunga3860Yes but actually no
As an angsty teenager when I first watched Korra, I also didn't like it. What changed my mind was when Tenzin saw Aang in the Spirit World when Aang told Tenzin "You're right. You are trying to hold a false perception of yourself. You are not me and you should NOT be me. You are Tenzin." That changed my minds in two ways: 1) reminded me that at its core, LOK has the same heart as ATLA and 2) Even as a cringy teenager I saw the parallels between LOK being compared to ATLA (a false perception of itself) Lok Isn't ATLA and it shouldn't BE ATLA. It's LoK.
kinda ironic how people missed the fact that this might be the show's way of telling the audience that the original gang's story is done. zuko got redemption, toph started to be more dependent, sokka found humbleness, katara overcame revenge, and aang accepted his role as the avatar. they all grew throughout the show's run, so that means they don't need an Avatar 2, but rather a series that focuses on a new Avatar. while some characters like toph, zuko, and katara (and aang as a spirit) all appeared in Korra, toph was the one who needed to learn the most (even though her story is over). in her adult life, she was so afraid of sheltering her kids like her father did that she wanted to give both her daughters to decide for themselves. of course this didn't turn out well, and toph recognized her mistake as a parent, and even apologized to both lin and su-yin.
I really liked how Legend of Korra had different bending styles. It made sense, considering the world was much more united than it ever had been before. It’s realistic for bending styles to merge.
Imagine someone trying to lift a boulder from in front of them one day and it turns into lava. You gotta rethink your whole heiritage after that.
@@ItsRemmyy Producing lava is an extension of earth bending, so you would not require fire nor lava manipulators among your ancestry. However, controlling air requires spiritual elevation on top of a genetic predisposition, unless there happens to be a shortage of people with this ability during a Harmonic Convergence and members of the general population are granted the power, seemingly at random, in a cosmic effort to restore balance, presumably. On the other hand, you might convince a lion turtle to hook you up with an element and then learn how to bend it by emulating animals that do so naturally. Now, this might all appear contrived at best, flippant at worst, but only because it absolutely is
@@cottonballs185 Im just saying that the avatar was thought to be the only person to lavabend until we meet that one dude in the red lotus. So someone thats not the avatar suddenly lavabending when they thought only the avatar could do it would raise some questions.
@@ItsRemmyy Abolutely!
@@ItsRemmyy lmaooo🤣
“The creators should’ve made Amon a series long villain” well considering lok was originally supposed to be only one season but kept getting renewed, they didn’t exactly have the luxury to do that like with Ozai and the wad
War*
The Equalists still should have been a recurring threat. Civil rights movements don't just stop because one of the leaders is fake. But I do agree about the luxury part. If you think you're only getting one season you'll probably do what you can to wrap everything up tightly
@Aman Smith-martin
That team was run by Tarrlock who's taken out a short while later and even the council itself is dissolved and replaced with a President.
@Aman Smith-martini get that but the point is that a civil rights movement doesnt have one leader. you dont wipe away hundreds to potentially thousands of years of tension and inequality between groups of people, because one dude turned out to be a fraud. when someone like amon can say something like "benders are responsible for all war", and that resonates with people, that can only mean this is a looong standing greivance non benders can have in their world.
If anything him being a fraud n going missing would enrage radical non benders more that they, yet again, got fucked over by another bender from their perspective. i know amon was the only leader, by my critcism is of the narrative, he shouldn't be. having the equalists phase out is like the civil rights movement in america end because mlk was assassinated. Things just wouldn't play out like that. Even if the council weeded that out there'd still be a movement pushing, and it wouldn't just be in republic city.
I agree
recently watched LOK after being so put off by it because of everything i've heard on the internet on how bad it was. i saw season one when it aired years ago and i loved it but couldn't keep up with season 2 or anything after that, so i knew i eventually DID want to watch the rest. i was surprised by how much i loved it and i hope more people give it a chance.
Season 2 had it flaws, but those events did help set up an incredible s3.
Me too. Just finished watching ATLA, and wonder why people hated Korra, but just with first episode also understanding the premise of how young bender prodigy will eventually become avatar but have no connection to spiritual world is already good!
@@nanossquad1706 people hate it because she isn't aang.
airbender is more light heart, simple minded and more family type of show.
pokemon traveling adventure which is my favorite part.
korra is a true reflection of our modern society. be it relationship, political blah blah.
i can really relate the world and timeline or korra.
korra is better for me.
The ATLA gang grew up in a time of war and poverty, and created a world of peace and prosperity. Of course the next generation is going to be more spoiled as a result. If anything, it's a testament to Aang's high-quality avatarhood that Korra is the way she is at the beginning of the story, rather than a detraction from his legacy.
They brang balance to the world but no they did not create an era of peace and prosperity
I think people forget that each avatar is supposed to be different
Yup, they just keep comparing.
For me Both shows are great equally
@@desolation1322 same there are parts I like and dislike about both
@@jonathanhunter8076:)
Literally, the next avatar is supposed to be the near opposite of the previous avatar, which Korra is
@@desolation1322 Agreed. I always considered Atla superior to LoK but... after rewatching it and recognizing how great Korra is... they're on the same level now.
As a Korra centric channel who has recieved hate for being Korra centric, this video is brilliant! Brings up all the points I've always known to counteract but have never really said due to anxiety of being hated
Yes Fran I love your Avatar and Percy Jackson their fantastic (especially your ones on Frank Zhang he is my favourite) (:
Thank you for the recommendation.
Same.
A Healthy Dose of Fran That really sucks. By far the worst part of this korra hate mob is that you cant even discuss the show with other people who like it without people getting irrationally mad that you like something they don’t. I cant imagine how entitled you must be to seek out people enjoying a show just to tell them they’re wrong for having a good time.
On the bright side definitely gonna check out your content, sounds fun!
Yet you Ava-tard hypocrites attack anyone, fan or not, for discussing the flaws of these sh*tshows.
To all you korra haters:
If you look for the light, you will often find it. But if you look for the dark, that is all you will ever see. -Uncle Iroh
When you base your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to the possibilities of a new reality. -Zaheer
The Necromancer ***slow clap*** No better quotes from two wise men.
Linh Ansboury this ain’t discord boi rip
The Necromancer Clapping as I am agreeing. Not sure what you’re referring to or what boi rip is
@@linhansboury1886 srry you just seemed to have put 3 of these * which works on discord, and it was rip that you may have thought that, but i now see this is not the case, and I thought the slow clap meant it was a sarcastic clap and you were disagreeing :P
The Necromancer Nope! Totally agree,and and an LOK supporter! Even if I weren’t, I wouldn’t be an ass to diss a show like such on platforms to make myself feel better about my life 😜
I've heavily learned that most avid Korra haters are impossible to change their minds on korra being an amazing show and trying to is like arguing with a brick wall. But godDAMN I want to destroy those brick walls so badly.
A brick wall vs a brick wall will eventually destroy both walls. So keep on it.
@Unstoppable Plays! my thoughts into words. LoK has big fanfiction energy and that's about it
@Grande Leonardo "more serious and mature matters"? really? ATLA was all about a genocidal and dictatorial nation that brought an entire culture to 99.999999999% extinction in one hour, and over the next 99 years, conquered and oppressed everyone else. You can't really get more serious or mature than that. Some of the serious moments, like when Air Temple Island was being invaded, Meelo farts. He farts with airbending. I don't know, that seems just a tiny bit out of place.
Although, I will agree that Nick kind of really fucked their creative freedom with the show.
In my opinion, it's an okay show. A smidge better than okay at best.
Others: i dont like Korra because she's too cocky, and is not like Aang
Me: Well...she's not like Aang because she's not Aang (it'd be boring if she was a copy and paste of him)
Ppl don’t like her (Specially in season 1 and 2) Korra was cocky which was fine but she was also very aggressive and just so annoying at times at least with Zuko there was a reason why he was so rude and awful I felt no empathy for Korra which made her a horrible character she was good in season four tho
Samara Hussain dude her reason is because she thinks her status as the avatar gives her special privilege above others. That mindset for the most part is gone after season 1.
Mad King0209 That made up for her cockiness but she was very irritating at times for no reason that didn’t have tot do with that
Samara Hussain I think that’s because she was locked away and didn’t get to grow up with people of her age
Bas Kuijpers How does that explain her violence I’m just saying again she gets much better in season 3 and 4 I was just disappointed as a colored woman myself of how she acts
It also bothers me how people are trying to shove their hate down our throats. Like, you are allowed to hate it, but stop forcing others to hate it. Whenever there is a positive post, people write hate comments and have no single respect, and we all have to agree. But when we say something negative about ATLA, which might not even be stupid hate, then it's wrong to them. We don't force you to like it, we want to just enjoy it without the negativity because at some point it just harms us to see daily negativity.
I completely agree! So many people are toxic nowadays.
You are %100 right. I really gave up having a sensible argument with them because its literally pointless. What really bothers me actually not the hate comments. the real issue is they really think their opinion is best and we shouldn't have our own opinions, everyone should hate korra etc. For example the person who did the 'legend of korra is garbage"' deleting comments that defending series. It's
unbelievable.
AtlA has one of the most unbelievably and disgustingly toxic fanbases
Rascal Fangirl am I the only one who hates it when I see comments on one of those channels telling the reactors to not watch legend of Korra, every time I read comments like that I think to myself ‘it’s their channel so why are these people telling them what they shouldn’t react to’ and The funny thing about that is I see these comments mostly on channels that do voting polls and yet they somehow think that they can just order the reactors around.
@@dimoned123 If you used your eyes you would've read what I said, no one forces you to stop hating it, we just want to enjoy it without people ruining it with hate. And some common sense: hate and criticism are two different things!
Lin in the background stole my attention several times
same lol
Same
A wise man said it the best...
" if you look for the light, you can often find it. But if you look for the dark, that's all you'll ever see."
That second part is why the Korra haters are so toxic lol but I'm glad that channels like you and Blue lotus are defending this show.
Lok is ight. I've fought myself to "see the light" but I just couldn't watch without getting up to do something else. I wanted to stop watching in s1 but kept going till end of s2 then the losing past lives and "dark avatar" made me lose it. Dont get me wrong, learning ab the long ongoing battle between light and darkness was great info and entertainment that persuaded me to keep watching, but some moments felt "ongoing" and made the show feel like a mediocre anime(or animated show depending on whose side ur on). Those moments made me roll my eyes and think, "when will we move on?" And when korra would lose a fight u know she would win makes me wanna turn my phone off and get a cookie and watch the more enjoyable (in my opinion) predecessor, atla. Anyway, all this was just opinionated and I'm bored and got a little aggravated ab the quote.(I'm not a lok hater btw just think it could've been better.) Have a good one. 👌
@@asha-bi7by So Lok wasn't as great as It could've been bc nick confused and over worked the writers?(in terms of budget and whether or not they'd be able to work on another season.) I'm not mad at the show at all.(not saying u said I was)but My opinion is it was boring because: avatar state not as strong, other characters plots seemed like distractions from Korea's plot(main plot in my opinion), and long drawn out fights. Many will disagree with my reasons. Ik that korra knew the physical aspects of bending and had to learn the spiritual side of it, but it that whole spiritual learning thing lost meaning to me when korra lost touch to the past avatars. Bc MY favorite parts of both shows are when the avatar meets with his/her past lives. And Ig that's what turned me off from the show.
Anyways I personally change my opinions very often bc of newly gathered information. Your reasons for the show not be as great as it should've hasn't changed my thoughts on lok(I dont think u were trying to change my opinion anyways, just trying to let me understand y it was ight and not great)
All in all, I do believe it could've been better if the things u said weren't so.
I also see how I should be, in a way, proud of how the writers didn't lose their shit. Lol
That sums it all up perfectly.
asha I think the dispute in power between the two lies in that the stories are completely different. Atla takes place over a year during its run. Lok takes place over several years. Korra has also had more time to perfect her powers. When aang found out he was supposed to be the avatar, he trapped himself in ice and then woke up and only had a year in storyline before the firelord fight.
I sincerely hope that more videos defending LoK would come out after the show's release on Netflix.
Yeah I'm getting sick of all the hate LOK gets and this is coming from someone who doesn't like LOK.
@@lonebattledroid4474 Yep I do believe they went too far but trust me,this person sugar coated all of the show's flaws!
@@raheemsmith2996 yeah he kinda did especially at the end when he said it was objectively good and nobody could say it was bad.
@@lonebattledroid4474 He is being like the haters but opposite, loving it so much that he blatantly ignores the flaws within the show that made it pretty bad,I am not comparing it to ATLA,but as an individual show,it was pretty bad.
@@raheemsmith2996 a bit yes
Brown bisexual women in wheelchairs literally exist how can people even use that as a critique lmao
asmRTPOP Fuckers be fuckers.
I feel bad for chuckling from this.
Ikr people are asking for diversity and when they get it their like fAn SeRviCe like bra
Well the bisexual aspect seemed very last minute and and vague
@@daddykarlmarx6183 Not really. Starting from season 3 on, Korra and Asami had been very close. Not romantic but if you pay attention, its clear they value each other more than just ordinary friends. I don't think the end of Korra implied they liked each other immediately, but that they both just realized that they were bi, which is why they didn't kiss.
Unpopular opinions alert:
Korra was never unlikeable to me, even in Season 1. The only time I was annoyed by her were a couple of times during the first half of season 2
The scene where Unalaq takes Ravva out of Korra and destroys the past avatars is honestly brilliant. Everything about it from Korra’s hopelessness, Unalaq’s satisfaction, the animation and score makes it one of my favorite scenes.
just goes to show atla is for one group and korra was for another.
I understood her since 1. Like.... she isn't so hard to understand, growing from someone who had bending easy since a young age and being a great fighter, plus growing up in a place where she was treated so well and looked after for being the avatar to then moving to a city where people don't only dislike benders, but HER. She thought she would have it easy to change things and was shown it was harder than she thought and fighting would not solve everything. It's that simple to understand and people do mental gymnastics to hate on her...
@@nayrarodriguez3385 I think more in comparison to aang, she was dry, at some points unlikable, and was kind of pushed throughout the story. Everything felt extremely forced in TLOK and honestly plenty of other agree, IMO its not a bad show, but its not a great one either, its a middle of the road show that played of the nostalgia of original ATLA fans .
@@GiganticWeen I kindly disagree. I think the first big mistake that many people do is compare Aang and Korra when they are completely different characters and we are clearly demonstrated so from Korra’s introduction as a kid that mastered three elements, whereas Aang at 12 only knew air. Aang is forgiven for his childish behaviour because he’s a kid, even if he’s a 112 years old kid. But ignore how Korra was overprotected while growing up and then went out to a world that basically said they did not need her when she had grown up believing she would be welcomed with open arms and loved by everyone, because that’s what she had seen around her. Korra is a teenager realizing life isn’t that easy. I don’t know how anything was forced or “pushed through”, when, as said in the video, her struggles were very relatable. ATLA was a cute funny show that treated harsh themes in a lighter way, Korra doesn’t. Literally at the end of the first season we see someone committing suicide. Aang had another child with his uncle chasing him, or Azula. Korra has literal grown adults kidnapping her to k*ll her. She finds her way back to herself even after losing connection to her past avatars, which was something that literally saved her in season 1.
@@nayrarodriguez3385 yeah and alot of that is why TLOK didn't catch on as much. I don't think we're ever going to see eye to eye on this. As someone who watched ever atla episode as they came out on TV, and actively read all the comics and followed the media, korra legitimately seemed like teen drama show, based in the nostalgia of the show that came before it.
Out of all the "retcons" people bring up, the "Gift of Bending from Lion Turtles" drives me nuts. It's so freaking EASY to understand. They even gave us a scene of Avatar Wan learning the Dancing Dragon...from a *DRAGON!!!*
THANK YOU
HOW DUMB ARE PEOPLE?
@Kayden Wadley that we can argee on
I'd say the problem with that concept is the fact that people bent the elements prior to Avatar Wan. Even though the Lion Turtle in the original series stated that people didn't bend the elements prior to the era of the Avatar.
@Kayden Wadley No, the Lion Turtles said they'll no longer give people the power of the elements. Meaning that those who already had the elements kept it and it wasn't taken away. My argument for people using bending prior to Avatar Wan is still valid.
When I first saw the first season of the show, I didn't like Korra's character because she was cocky, but every character has some parts that everyone doesn't like, but her growth as a person along with many other characters added to the show. At the end of the show, I was satisfied and agree that the story was beautiful. I personally felt Aang grew from a young immature kid to a wise and influential person. Korra had growth too, so it is incorrect to judge her by the first season or first episodes. Nothing is perfect, and I think it is good to acknowledge the faults in a character because otherwise, they would not be relatable or have an impact on the audience. I love the new ideas and diversity within The Legend of Korra. Air is the element of freedom. Water is the element of change. Aang brought freedom to the four nations, and Korra changed the world more than anyone since Wan. Regardless of what the haters say, this show along with ATLA will have a special spot among the best shows ever made.
Well said my friend
Eventually, people will come around and enjoy TLOK for what it is - those who won't are just stubborn. This show is awesome; there's no excuse not to like it.
44:05 Did no one ever notice that Korra symbolically reached into Vaatu’s core to reach a tiny Raava? The entire point of duality is that you can always find a trace of one in the other
A lot of people seem to conveniently leave that part out during the whole "God/Satan" argument...
Well, while true, it's still the same as the rest of the yin and yang imagery used by raava and vaatu: superficial. Yeah, it's obviously referencing that concept, but it still misses the point of yinyang. Having one represent balance and one represent chaos is basically the direct opposite of it (or at least the way the narative framed it. If executed differently, balance and chaos DO form a great example of yin and yang). Saying that balance is achieved by locking away a yin or yang would be ridiculous. Raava and vaatu are depicted as being literally held back by eachother as opposed to complementing and/or creating eachother. Sure, if raava or vaatu dies, they create a new version of eachother, which is accurate in that whenever yin and yang flux, one will inevitably peak and then become or create its opposite, but this is not seen as natural and important like a fluctuating wave or fully grown crops producing seeds, or even disease influencing stronger health, but an unconquerable obstacle that has to be lived with. The way they interact implies that a world without vaatu would be better off, and a world without raava would be awful if not completely destroyed. The only reason that raava and Korea dont destroy vaatu forever is because they physically cant, not because they don't want to. Victory for the story is vaatus turn in his 10000 cycle with raava being halted. Avoiding the 10000 years of him being dominant over and over again is seen as necessary and good. Of course, doing so is the obviously good decision. Vaatus dominance was said to literally be world ending, but that's why he and raava dont work to represent yin and yang well. Also, to be clear, they really dont fit the dynamic between God and satan either. God lets satan run free in the world, and he is sometimes even viewed as directly working under God as a test for humaity, and is always lesser than him. He only exists because God let's him. The only real similarity is that they have a very black and white morality. Raava and Vaatu are far more comparable to the relationship between the jedi and the sith than yin and yang or God and satan (to be fair though, a lot of people misinterpret them to be like yin and yang too, but they very much arent, especially through George Lucas's original ideas for them, which is what vaatu and raava are most similar to). There's nothing wrong with having that type of philosophy either, I love star wars which is why I use them as an example, but it wasnt really what avatar was going for before that, and it certainly misunderstands yin and yang, which the shows writer were clearly refferencing with them. I honestly enjoyed korra, especially seasons 1 and 3, but the latter half of season 2 just feels really off in the ideas, themes, and plot elements it introduces, and a lot of it centers on these 2 and the odd choices they made with them
@@MattCMG you know i didnt mind the vaatu twist in fact avatar wans mini story was one of my favorite parts of the show but i wouldve loved to see the civil war a hell of a lot more
@@nolangerrans6083 I completely agree.
MattCMG because it is god and satan or the good and evil buddhas because the way they act doesn't represent yin and yang's tranquility
Korra isn't Aang. It's a different show. Also Nikelodeon literally made it as hard as possible for Korra to succeed. It's an amazing show. I wish the network would have given it more episodes per season so some character arcs could have been developed. All in all I prefer a lot of aspect to Aang's story, the themes are more mature and Korra is more relatable as a person.
Yeah I think lok was so complex people just got bored after season 2 and only used she lost her bending as an argument
@@drip2575 The show often presents complex issues, but their usually either simplified, or glossed over. For example anarchists in this show are reduced to madmen that wish to cause chaos. Granted, Zaheer also wants freedom as well as chaos, but most anarchists only want the former. This is why I think a real life anarchist would be offended by how Zaheer is depicted. The show also kind of dances around the question of what is the avatar’s place in a modernized world when there are no super villains to take down. The people I’ve spoken to about this have admitted that that we’re kind of left to infer what that answer is since the show doesn’t outright state what it is.
Amon: There's inequality.
Me: so I'm not seeing any tax increases to non-benders by The Goverment.
@@homingice6444 Yeah, what kind of oppression are the equalists even talking about? Their dialogue seems to paint benders as thugs and brutes, even though we don’t see many examples of that.
@@austinjohnsen4430 Yeah. By the end of each season, a lot of the themes or major questions the show asked the audience would just kinda be swept under the rug for the sake of having yet another good vs evil conclusion. The only time this didnt really happen was season 3.
God I would LOVE to see a video titled "Zuko is Garbage and here's why" where the first half of the video is blanket statements about his character using only the shit he does in season one, then the SECOND half is "gotcha! that was annoying wasn't it, to see a character that you know is deeply complex with an incredibly strong narrative arc and incredible character growth get written off because they're only judged on the "before" part of their arc... now imagine how people who have actually watched all of TLOK feel" and then the second half is a brutal takedown of exactly how and why it's hypocritical to criticize Korra by only looking at her in season 1, followed by an extensive breakdown of her growth, depression, and PTSD that show just how similar her arc is to Zuko's
OMG this made me so sad because as a Korra fan, we have to see so many videos trashing us and it's not fair.
Can someone please do this. I would donate, venmo, cashapp, anything.
Uhh, what’s stopping people from doing that?
@Tommy Natantiel do you realize that the LoK haters began with that toxicity and they exist since Korra first aired? You normally see a freaking TON of videos telling you "You *SHOULD* hate Korra", literally we LoK fans are just reacting to it and also it is the very reason LoK fans are a minority within the ATLA fandom. (Edit: punctuation)
Except Zuko’s story wasn’t bogged down by relationship drama, weird deus ex machinas and spirit nonsense. So it has a leg up in that regard.
As a kid, LoK scared the crap out of me because how realistic it is, especially Korra’s struggles. My brother is a huge fan of ATLA yet he appreciates LoK ALOT.
"realistic"
No. Just no.
Ya Boah Houston more realistic than atla
@@danle187 Explain how two giant spirit beings fighting like it's NGE is realistic
@@samhouston9162 Two giant spirits wrestling is not everything that was in the show.
@@Spherrum It decides the fate of the rest of the series, so I would say at least it centers on that BS
If Korra hadn't actually grown as a person, they would have valid points on her character not changing, but that's not what happened. God, people who don't watch past the first season piss me off.
They're idiots bro simple as that
I know right. season 3 or 4 was very different. How can people criticize a show if they didn't even watch...
they don't need to deal with giant robots, tho
@@robertoaguiar6230 yeah this is the biggest mistake they did, Kuvira was a great enemy with a backstory, i would love to see general iroh and his army vs kuvira's while kuvira and korra 1v1 that would be amazing
Yeah, people get really confused on the subtle character development through the series as well as changing views n the series, the best two examples of this is Korra and Amon- which proves that they don't go past season 1 and think it's like that for the other three
It's kind if sad too- the legend of Korra is a good show though
Asami is a bit underated when we talk about her abilities as an engineer
Davina jane eben And her fighting.
Exactly
I’m sad she doesn’t get more screen time and character development.
She was still bland as all hell.
@@adeptdamage3669 true the creators did her dirty
The internet for so long held me back from watching this bc everyone said it was so bad but I just watched it recently on Netflix and wow this show was absolutely amazing man
Good, never ever listen to mindless haters, most of them are the dumbest pieces of shit on this planet, parroting each other.
Thats right, do not listen to all of those senseless people. This show was really really good and nothing can change our minds
Yeah i heard this was not as good as atla, but I would disagree. I say the show is just as good.
I honestly don’t like this show but that shouldn’t stop u from watching it if u like something than like it it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it but so am I and in my honest opinion I don’t think this show is worthless but it’s far from perfect or even good. If you like this show that’s fine but just like people shouldn’t shit on you for liking something you shouldn’t shit in them for disliking g something- thank you for coming to my ted talk
@@Chachiandfriends but then there's people saying it's bad like it's an statements, like stfu who tf do they think they are a?? lowlifes that invalidate someone's else's opinion over THEIR opinion
Hot take: Korra wasn't bad in season one. She just wasn't. What did she do that was so terrible in S1? The only morally wrong thing she did was make out with Mako while he was in a relationship, but she still didn't do it out of malice, she was just following Penma's advice of going after the one you love. Sure, she could be disobedient and impatient but like...she was 17, that's most teenagers. Those qualities are usually praised in male characters, but not Korra. It's so stupid.
I just watched season 1 for the first time yesterday and I really liked if. Imo everyone is likeable and Korra is pretty cool
Period!
Idk who the hell praises men who are disobedient and impatient. Men like that are the worse. It’s not even just me, anyone who is like that WILL drain the life out of you
Dude fuck you on? What Korra did to Mako would have seen as sexual assault if Korra was a dude. It doesn't matter if she did it for malice or not. The action itself was malice and creepy.
I Love Everything You see men do it on screen all the time...so the fuck YOU on? Ever seen an Ashton Kutcher movie? He usually kisses the girl in the exact same fashion when he knows the girl has feelings for him. It’s been done on screen forever.
Legend of Korra is added to Netflix.
TH-camrs: "It's free real estate."
Realtalk though it's nice to see Korra finally get some love after people were bitching about it so much. Like, the ending of season 3 is a fucking recently traumatized and wheelchairboun Korra shedding a single tear. Literally the last shot before credits. Other shows WISH they had the balls to go that hard.
Ikr
Seriously though. That finale is so underrated. It took the season from good to fucking fantastic. I love ATLA, but season 3 of Korra the creators popped off
@@justinadams2729 ikr
Season 3 is the only part worth watching
the complaint with the ending of season 3, which i have to, is that zaheer for some reason has a huge impact on korra's mental health but the other villains just didn't? in season 2, korra battles a giant monster with the capacity to destroy the world, and that doesnt affect her mental health even though zaheer's attack does? also, korra's recovery just makes no sense. she basically goes into the spirit world with zaheer and suddenly she's just fine? theres no development of her character throughout her recovery which i think is really dumb.
I don’t care what anybody says dawg Korra is a dope sequel to Avatar. Sure it’s different but it’s still solid & very underrated. If you actually give the show a chance some of y’all might actually like it.💯
Period 👌🏼.
I refused to watch it for ages because of how mean the fandom was about it and now it's like my favourite tv show ever
I don’t like it, I won’t ever
@@adamtheprop6959 Why not?
@@adamtheprop6959 Why not?
The baffling thing, about the criticism surrounding the villain's philosophies being flawed, is that the show literally explains why they're flawed. In season 4, Toph explains to Korra, that each had a noble goal, to make the world a better place, but because they were imbalanced, it pushed all of them to extremes. Each was to be a mirror, that also contrasted with Korra's own philosophy, that she could learn fron to be a better Avatar, in the good, and the mistakes.
This may be a very unpopular opinion but I actually really enjoyed watching Korra, even a little bit more than Avatar TLAB. Don't get me wrong TLAB is a phenomenal show but Korra left me with a lot more to reflect on and years after watching it I find myself still reflecting on some of the themes it introduced and how many risks it took with its storytelling to explore the question of what makes the Avatar the Avatar.
Ok
Agreed.
I fully agree with and endorse this opinion.
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Yassssssssss
"sokka look at the moon and get waterbending"
Lmao
Sokka turned into the werehog.
This guys brain is the size of the universe
Nah it’s not that small
No he’s stupid.
No he’s smart.
@@peternotpeter4201 he ain’t smart buddy
He ain’t dumb pal.
Personally, I found it super refreshing that the world changed so much between the two shows. Almost all fantasy settings are completely static. In Middle Earth, the world is the same between the fall of Sauron and the War of the Ring 3500 years later. Same languages, same people, same politics, same technology. Seeing a fantasy setting grow and change over time is so unique!
LOK has a very special place in my heart because it’s the show that made me realise I wanted to work in animation and take my drawing and art more seriously. I don’t think LOK is better than ATLA but to call to garbage is a complete over exaggeration.
You're right, it's a golden trash bag
@@wazup3333 lol lok hater what makes it a golden trash you and your 4 likes that are also to afraid to get disproven like the idiots you are
Didn't mention varrick, must mean everyone likes him.
he did the thing
@Rouge Falinks Yes
It's biologically impossible to hate Varrick
Manu.u I did when I was younger 😂😶
Scotty J i hated him when I was 6/7 😅😂
I feel like people spend too much time comparing LoK to AtLA, instead of just appreciating LoK. Thank you for defending this great show.
Especially scince LoK was never suppost to be the same thing all over again. Aang and Korra were never ment to be the same.
It's so stupid, Korra and Aang are supposed to be polar opposites as characters, they live in completely different worlds and grew up totally different since they both have different views. Like Aang lived in a world that needed the avatar to end the war but he never wanted to be avatar, while Korra lived in a world that didn't need the avatar but she wants to be the avatar, and she had to deal with more complex political issues than a power hungry monarchy/superior complex having ozia. Korra is hot headed and confident, she solves conflicts through violence but has no compassion and defines herself through being the avatar, she has to find her own identity as person and develop compassion. Aang on the other side is grounded in his personality, has empathy, he tries to solve conflicts through understanding and compassion instead of violence, but he is super insecure about his own abilities, he runs away from his problems and doesn't want to have the responsibility of an Avatar, he wants to enjoy his childhood, so he needs confidence in himself. Both have interesting character arcs.
But what Aang and Korra share is that they both learn the most and reach their greatest potential, when they are in stressful situations or threatened of death, for example Korra learns to move and avoid attacks like an airbenders when she almost looses in her first pro bending match, Aang learns to bend earth when he and Sokka are danger of getting killed by saber-tooth moose lion.
What I hated the most is when people complain that world building is so entirely different from ATLA, with all the technology and a "too modern and westernized" city like Republic City. As if in ATLA we didn't already had the fire nation who had colonies in other nations to leave an influence all over world and the fire nation being so extremely technological developed with the flying airships, the machines, the factories etc. So of course they share this technology with the rest of the world after the war and everything gets developed even more. And Republic City is still an quite asian city, it's literally modelled after Hongkong of the 30s. Or when people complain that pro bending exists and that the traditional style of bending got lost, while ignoring that most benders still use traditional techniques and that we already had an underground earthbending tournament in ATLA where earth benders competed for money, fame and prices like a golden belt.
It's bad storywritting and woke cringe!
Yup. Delusional Korra's fanboys always like to use the "don't compare, apples to oranges" defense.
Look, I was so fucking enthusiastic when the first teaser poster/art was published, the steampunk one. I was happy. A new direction, in the future, new avatar.
A the beginning Korra struck me as an annoying brat (i don't like characters like this, especially if they are the main one because it means i'm gonna be stuck with a brat for how long?) but I let it pass. The worldbuilding was great in s1 first episodes. The set up for the villain and antagonistic forces felt excellent... and then the writers shat on their pants.
But the first seeason was decent enough.
In s2 is when the whole show felt bitter to me, irredeemeable.
So no, I wasn't comparing nothing. I was expecting good storytelling like any movie or show I watch, or any novel or comic I read. That's a bare minimum.
@@daguroswaldson257
Just to add to the whole "The fact that it's blood bending instead of energy bending" conversation. I've been watching the reactor "A Goodwin TV" as I find his reactions pretty interesting. He's going through LOK right now and while watching episode three literally says "Hmm.. it doesn't seem like he's using energy bending. I wonder why the show would leave this ambiguous". I laughed so hard that right out the gate he picked up on the fact that it might not be energy bending.
For me, I've never had a problem with the reveal that Amon was using blood bending to take away bending. As you pointed out in the Avatar Universe, it has already been established that Chi Blocking will temporarily take away your bending. So applying a little bit of logic, it's not a giant leap to think that Amon is doing something to permanently keep those blocked.
While the bloodbending explanation was good, I do think that Kitara should have been able to heal it easily, which also would have circumvented the terrible avatar spirit using spirit bending on her "solution."
I think it’s great twist
My problem with that is that he used Blood Bending without the full moon and without the motions of Water Bending.
Nice seeing someone defend Korras character development. Gets me pumped to rewatch the show.
Same. I just might join you on that rewatch! :D
@@celestialwolf93 I rewatched it aswell! For some reason it feels so damn nostalgic
:)
In the middle of my own rewatch rn and the show still holds up
_The Legend of Korra_ is a curious case study in collective obsessional behavior. It's a general rule of reality that nothing happens in a vacuum - that all events happen in reaction to some other event. However, the hate _The Legend of Korra_ receives seemingly just poofed into existence from another dimension. Usually when people dislike something, they have reasons for it, but what makes it so bizarre in the case of _The Legend of Korra_ is that those reasons do not correspond to reality. The majority of the criticism is targeted at a tortured caricature of the show that is born from those people's own imagination, which they then pretend is the actual show so they can apply the criticism to it.
This disconnect plagues a very large chunk of the community, not just one or two odd individuals. It's literally impossible not to see at least one person spew hate about this show in any Avatar-related video on TH-cam; I have seen it in the comments of videos that have absolutely nothing to with Korra, not even a name-drop in passing, yet there is always someone saying something negative about it. And these people do it with such intense vitriol that makes it seem like they were traumatized by the show or something. And because the hate is targeted at what ultimately amount to nothing more than fabrications disconnected from the reality of the show, it also makes these people seem somewhat schizophrenic - hostile towards hallucinations that only they can see.
I have never seen a large scale phenomenon like this with any other fictional franchise. I genuinely have no idea where this hate comes from. Most of it is so irrational and detached from reality that it doesn't even compute with me - there is no common ground or sympathy to be had on either end because these people appear to think on an entirely different wavelength. For that reason I think it's for the best that discourse with them be avoided. While yours is a great video in terms of argumentative substance, I feel publicly responding to individual comments detracts from your point that these people shouldn't be taken seriously. By doing that you are giving them attention and a platform, and in that way legitimizing them. I understand the craving to validate your own opinion by having the last word all too well, but ultimately it's a complete waste of your time and brain power that could be used much more productively elsewhere.
Otherwise, excellent video. Sorry for the long comment. Just felt like providing my two cents.
@Shonksu yet ironically a lot of the points bashing Korra are in fact dumb and/or ignorant. Like the complaint about how the technology advanced even though they had a giant fucking drill in AtLA.
The hell are ya talking about? People watched Korra, didnt enjoy it and thus the hate, further engulfed from lots of criticism. It didn't come out of nowhere. also people hating on shows do their own emotions is completely normal.
@@promisnwekenta9703 disliking is one thing. Hating it to a burning passion, while ignoring its good qualities and nitpicking on details to the point of blowing it out of proportion is something else. Which is what most haters are doing.
Not to mention all the double standards of AtLA purists, like making a huge deal of Korra getting her bending back in book 1,but giving the deus ex machina in Sozin's Comet a pass.
And I happen to know people who hated the show despite only watching one season. But they changed their minds after fully watching it, and admitted the mob mentality of haters had an effect before.
You've never seen hate like this before? Must not have seen the Star Wars sequels... or the prequels before the sequels came out.
@@solomonhernandez6409 i still think its actually kind of normal nowadays.
i personally, love korra more than avatar, i love both shows i just feel like as a teen i relate more to korra, her story is very realistic, i like how the writers didn’t shy away from writing what ptsd and depression looks like, its a really nice and refreshing thing to see especially when its a kids show (which doesn’t really mean anything tbh) her character ark is soo well done, and looking back at it now the story i soo smart, i mostly like how they didnt make the story too much about zuko, toph, katara and aang.
That’s fine if you like Korra more because you personally found it more relatable. But even the most die hard Korra fans will admit that avatar is still an objectively better written and put together show.
@@austinjohnsen4430 yes i definitely agree that avatar is a very well done show, nothing like it would ever be compared to an impeccable and a perfect show, i will admit that avatar is excellent, if i can i would go back as a child to watch it for the first time. and for korra, well its also a very well done show with small flaws which im sure avatar does too, thats what i like about the show the flaws is what makes it korra yk? i just genuinely love how its incomparable to avatar as it is made about another persons life and not continuing with the avatar characters (well they kinda did continue but it wasn’t the focus of the show)
@@metki Personally I have a lot of issues with the show. Mostly with the first two seasons. For example it really frustrates me how Korra’s backstory and training with the white lotus isn’t elaborated on much. In episode one their clearly disappointed in how Korra lacks restraint. But wouldn’t getting her to show some restraint be pretty high on their to do list after witnessing her break through a wall and setting someone’s robes on fire when they first met her as a toddler? Their also disappointed in how Korra hasn’t connected to the spirit world. So clearly they want her to realize that bending isn’t all there is to being the avatar. Maybe if we got a flashback or two on this point in Korra’s life audiences would have had an easier time getting behind her, or at least tolerating her.
@@austinjohnsen4430 well i mean it would be really nice to see a small flashback of how she was when she was a kid, we saw a flashback in season 2 where she goes to the spirit world. i do agree with you on the season 2 part (i loved season 1) it just wasn’t as good as season 1 with the plot being super cliche, i mean i like cliche but this plot was already explored in avatar, the villains were super cheesy ngl and korra got on my nerves for most of the show, season 3 was just a masterpiece its my favourite season, the “villains” we well written, i wouldn’t call them villains theyre not that evil tbh but the way they illustrated their ideas wasnt morally right, anyways season 4 was really good aswell, i loved it due to its slow demeanor at the start, the fight scene between kuvira and korra is just wow, its all about skills than trying to overpower the other person anyways sorry i got carried away but i agree with you for the most part.
@@metki Here’s the thing with the villains. The writers wanted them to feel like real people with real goals, but they also needed to make them villainous enough so that the heroes can be justified in taking them down. For example, was Zaheer meant to be an accurate representation of an anarchist? Because he comes across as more of a parody of one. Yes, anarchists believe that governments and other forms of leadership, but I don’t think they believe that everything will be magically fixed by simply enticing people to cause chaos.
I believe you built a straw man argument for your interpretation of Raava and Vaatu. The reason they are labeled as being more western inspired is the way they are treated in the show. Most of atla deals with spirits in a way that labels them as neither bad nor good. Spirits represent things and they act to protect and oversee those things. But with Raava and Vaatu the show presents it as if Raava is morally superior to Vaatu. Vaatu is said to represent darkness and chaos while Raava represents peace and light. Neither of these forces are inherently bad or good so to say that one needs to be locked away or destroyed is not a form of balance. It’s the suppression of something based on the subjective view that it is bad. This parallels a more western style belief of how certain things are bad and certain things are good instead of the eastern style which is more focused on how opposite forces balance each other. Eastern style philosophy is reflected by the war atla shows spirituality. The western style of thinking isn’t wrong or bad but it isn’t consistent with the rest of the atla universe. This is is why most people view it as a problem.
This! I actually like Korra overall but I think the whole second half of season 2 is a travesty that does genuinely do harm to a significant part of the lore; even more frustratingly there are a huge variety of small tweaks they could have done to have fixed at least this part of it (not saying that would have fixed season 2 as a whole!). Of course I can still enjoy ATLA just as much as I always did but Korra does kind of diminish the coolness of the concept of the Avatar in my mind. Personally while I thought Lily Orchard made a few good points I certainly disagreed more than I agreed - but ironically even though I liked Korra overall I think I feel the same about this video. Matt seems to largely be deflecting criticism by creating strawmen or misunderstanding the criticism (ironic given how his answer is often that people have misunderstood the show) and would rather read strawman criticism in a stupid voice than provide patient well-reasoned arguments. Personally while I disagree with most of the criticism of Korra's character, I agree that Bolin, Mako, and Asami were pretty crap most of the time, most of the attempted comic relief was downright annoying, season 2 was crap in general, and the lore changes in season 2 were irksome to say the least (even if most of them don't directly contradict ATLA). Trying to pretend that these somehow objectively aren't problems with the show and that those who hold these opinions are stupid just falls flat for me.
Very well put
An actual good criticism
I can't stand the people that just hate Korra because it is not ATLA again!!
I know
Yup
Like For Real!
I do not hate the show but I dislike it because Korra gets defeated more often than she wins fights. I do not mind that she is different from Aang but Korras Avatar state was a joke.
Virus no arguments there Book 2 was a mess but book four was my favorite
I appreciate the positivity towards TLOK. People are so overly critical of the show. To the people who don't like the show, give it another chance and go in with an open mind.
Sure my friend continue lying themeself while eating that excrement and calling "good show"
@@badd7407 and you continue being excrement who doesn't add anything to the conversation 🙄
@@xblade149 For creation need time and have smarter job to do
Exactly, thats why you're not a fucking artist now are you
Or they saw this sh*tshow for what it is.
I was discouraged from watching Korra because of all the criticism on YT, then I gave it a chance and I absolutely loved it.
In some ways i like it better than the Last Airbender, both were phenomenal.
Korra has better fighting animation IMO. And both explored different themes.
I wish more people would do the same. But sadly, we have some morons who’ve never seen the show, and automatically call it bad because of people like Lily Orchad and ER
@@ssmmmfeaa8657 Ikr
LoK had better animation in general. ATLA, especially book 1 was so janky and scuffed
@@ssmmmfeaa8657 It was trash and it is in no way better than the last air bender
@@dominicpersaud1155 I never said it was better then ATLA
Legend of Korra isn't a bad show but it's definitely far less dynamic than ATLA.
And you know what? That's fine.
LOK had lots of strong points and lots of weak ones. As a show on its own, It's damn near phenomenal but as a continuation to TLA then yes, I see the narrative issues, the characterization issues and the overall vibe of it that people don't resonate to as....Much.
And I think most of the criticism goes to Korra's season 2.
But overall I think Korra is a decent 6.5/10
I feel like this show has a balance and I'm happy with it I love both no matter what
I agreed with that score too, and the only thing that kept it low for me was because of season 2
@@azulaeatingmochime2353
10 - Flawless
9 - Amazing
8 - Great
7 - Good
6 - Decent
5 - Mid
4 - Below average
3 - Bad
2 - Awful
1 - Fairy Tail
Most of Season 2 and awful romance subplots cripple greatly and even then LOK gets a considerably high score. MAYBE you could push a 7.
The point is that LOK is a good show.
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 But the awful romantic subplots were in almost every season and they tended to water down overall tension occasionally and make characters come across as annoying
This is canon dialogue between Avatar Aang and Avatar Yangchen in the spirit world.
Aang: It’s been an amazing experience to meet my past lives.
Yangchen: And what did you learn by meeting them?
Aang: Well...I realized that no avatar is perfect. They all struggled and made mistakes like me.
Yangchen: Very wise.
Aang: But it made me wonder - why is the avatar a human in every life? Wouldn’t it be better if the avatar was an all powerful spirit that never died?
Yangchen (who at this point is dead and knows who Raava is and would have no reason to withheld Raava’s existence from Aang): I don’t think so. The avatar must be compassionate towards all people. And the only way to do that is to live with them. The avatar must experience sadness, anger, joy, and happiness. By feeling all these emotions it helps you understand how precious human life is. So you will do anything to protect it. If you were an all powerful spirit (again Yangchen is dead and is fully aware that the avatar is in fact part of an all powerful spirit) living on the top of some mountain you wouldn’t have much in common with a regular person. So the avatar continues to take human rebirth and with each life learns what it means to be human.
Great quote. I personally thought LoK was really lacking this kind of thoughtfulness towards its source content
Not only is the beginnings episode a retcon, it's officially a plot hole
Diego David It’s really not
Diego David It really isn’t. All the Avatars May have Raava inside of them, but they’re still humans who experience emotions. Tenzin literally tells Korra “you are not Raava. Raava is not who you are. You are Korra.”
@@barackobama6715 it's still extremely contrived and stupid, just because origins technically makes sense as an explanation doesn't mean anything (you could've written anything and said it's the origin story, doesn't mean it's good), because it contradicts several of the show's values. I still can't see why people defend the mess that was season 2.
Toxic people: Korra is bratty, impatient, head strong and gets defeated to easily!
Also toxic people: KOrRa iS a MaRy SuE
Like what? It’s one or the other guys...
You realize you can have a character be all of those, right?
Ya Boah Houston you actually can’t, a Mary Sue by definition is a female character who has little to no flaws and defeats all her rivals too easily. Ergo Korra, who suffers mentality, physically and emotionally throughout the series in order to defeat her enemies and has several character flaws she has to work on, cannot be a Mary Sue.
Thing is, she's all of those things and it certainly gets her into trouble, but then she learns absolutely nothing, changes absolutely nothing about herself, doesn't grow at all as a person, and then she still comes out on top and saves the world anyway - well, everyone else saves the world and fixes everything, but she's the Avatar so she gets the credit. Everything's handed to her on a silver platter despite her blatant flaws and constant blunders, which makes her characterization pretty close to a Mary Sue despite not meeting the dictionary definition.
SynysterDawn I respectfully disagree, she learns to be less impulsive and less reliant on violence to achieve her goals. This is seen when she talks to Kuvira in book 4 and she even says, after Su tells her to fight Kuvira ‘that’s something the old me would do’. She even has a ptsd arc during book 4 where she has to learn to accept a traumatic experience. And about your point on others fixing things for her, that’s kind of a big deal to her too. She even gets angry multiple times over the fact that other people are saving the earth kingdom and protecting people while she can’t. Compare this to, say, Rey from Star Wars, who never really has to work or earn anything yet becomes very powerful and wins easily against stronger characters. The first time Korra fought Kuvira, she lost. When she fought Unalaq, she lost. Aang was given a dues ex machine way out of his final battle but people don’t call him a Gary Stu do they?
James Robson if there was an Avatar debate team in this fandom, you should be in it my friend 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
i really love Korra's personality from the beginning, because if she's already spiritual connected from the start like Aang, the show would've have ended a bit early, and i really like her as a relatable person. and even though she's not spiritual connected as Aang, at least she's able to grasp it at book 4. and the thing that really pissed me the most is how TLOK haters say that Korra is the worst avatar/protagonist
you couldn't let them be almost the same, that would REALLY ruin the magic of the show. Korra is just being herself, and Aang is just being himself. they both have same duties to the world but have different points of view, different kinds of fears, weaknesses, strengths, growth and how to handle things in their own way.
LOK needs more episodes to be honest to let their characters breath and develop. When Bolin calls them “team avatar” it seems contrived. Just get rid of Bolin’s try too hard to be funny personality and useless characters like Meelo. Some of ATLA best episodes were just a slice of life episodes. Stuff LOK desperately needed.
This whole video is just him spitting facts that those people can’t see 🧑🏻🦯
Period 👌🏼.
No is not I can debunk all of em
@@gokuanimations4lac.632 I don't think you can, I do disagree with a lot of his statements but almost everything he says is valid.
Its not a terrible sequel but it could've been better
like one of my critiques is that Korra gets beats up alot, & shes the most powerful force on the planet, i get they dont wanna make her seem invincible, but that could've been toned down some
@@Ancient_Tribesman ask nickelodeon about that they butchered Korra
I’ve got a mega conservative friend who is a diehard LoK fan. He has Korra as his background on his monitors and phone, and actually likes Korrasami. Lol, the argument that Korra is supposed to be for SJW Tumblr troglodytes is false. If a religious conservative can enjoy it, anyone can enjoy it.
Joe Bunales Loooooooooooovvvvvvvveeeeee this.
Yo fr I’m conservative and this show was good asf
Except that your friend is a normal conservative. Not that alt right anti sjw conservatives
Also a fan of Korra and a conservative.
They didn't even exist when Korra was made.
they hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
What Jesus are you talking about
@@ICrawlAtNight me
Shonksu E;R literally said Asami had no combat training and she shouldnt be mad at her father (even though he tried to kill her) because shes a spoiled rich kid. Its obvious that he either never watched the entire season 1 or watched it and made his 4th video based on hazy memories
@Shonksu funny joke. you got the whole squad laughin
Shonksu yeahhh no 😂
I Am rewatching the show for the 3rd time and just finished season 3 and I teared up at the season finale when Jinora got her tattoos. The music, the symbolism, ad seeing Korra just absolutely broken, is something I don’t think I even felt in TLA. This series is incredible from the fight scenes, the choreography, the music, the characters, and the occasional nostalgia. I genuinely don’t understand the hatred
initially I hated TLOK without actually fully watching or digesting the show, I only made my assumptions from subjectively watching clips of it on TH-cam.But as I actually delved into the show with an objective mindset, I actually thoroughly enjoyed the show especially season 1 and season 3 (some parts of season 2 in terms of aangs children’s interactions). Look is TLOK a balanced show as ATLA is in terms of it being a even conglomerate of humour, action, poignancy, visceral emotion etc not entirely!!However, in all fairness this is attributed to Nickelodeon’s restrictions and indecisiveness towards the writers of the show. But all in all Korra is an amazing show, season 3 of TLOK is breathtakingly phenomenal and up there in the ranks of Season 2 and 3 of ATLA!
RicoDee me too I hated it and now I love the show
RicoDee Wow Im proud of you fore that, good thing you did it.
To be honest, same here. All I did was watch TH-cam clips and people nitpicking the show, even though I have not seen it in years. I want to rewatch it and see if I really enjoy it or not. With an unbiased mindset and fully digesting the show on whatever it gives.
Yeah I think why I personally never gave it too much of a chance is because of the first episode. Even now I still don’t like how they introduced us and the protagonist to republic city. The other thing is in season one and two is where Korra is the most gullible person in the world especially season two where it took 5 minutes for the uncle, who is obviously trying to use her, to make her distrust her own freakin father and this was before she knew of the banishment.
C E I understand fully. I feel like a main problem with TLOK is korra herself, She isn’t a compelling protagonist and only receives substantial character development in the 4th season alone.
Bolin is mad underrated he learned to lava bend at 17 with no training he’s one of my favourite characters
Aman Smith-martin 😂
Right even Toph was impressed and even said he was gifted
@@nataliawashington872 I mean bolin was kinda livin the dream he was dating toph beifongs granddaughter and toph called him impressive 😂
Also he's the sweetest sweetheart in the entire Avatar universe!! Literal teddy bear but still with a strong spirit 💜
FINALLY SOMEONE NOT BASHING THE LEGEND OF KORRA!!!! because of the videos saying its bad i hesitated watching the legend of korra i watched it saw bad things but was like what the hell why are people saying this is so bad sure thers problems but its good and i like it. (i just wrote a rant.... what have i become)
It means you part of the human race
there are much longer rants on here trust me, you're fine honey
People were bashing the show because in their opinion it's shit.
You think that's a rant?! HA! That's Cute!.... I regularly go on Multi-Paragraph rants about all kinds of shit at almost random places,towards Random people... Case and point, THIS... Though, this is technically not yet long enough to be Classified as a rant for me, not even close!
Also I Agree with your Shouted point...
yeah it isn't even that bad, honestly from how much people were talking shit about it, I genuinely thought I had no taste but now I know who really has no taste
Korrasami is noticeable if you're mature enough to see it. There is chemistry there and it's made clear from the start of season 3.
Yeah
Personally, I didn’t really see it coming. But I think it is because I can’t really see signs. Mainly because I just spend time alone and don’t interact with many people. In the end though, I quite like it and find it nice. I ship it now that I have dug deeper and looked for it.
I don’t have anything against Bi-sexual and Homosexual. I like how these relationships are explored more in modern media to help educate the younger generation.
In the end, I like the ship and love the comics which explore their relationship more.
@@halfknight2310 Yeah I agree, to be honest when I first watched the show it felt kinda sudden, But once I watched again, The chemistry was clear to me.
Their chemistry as friends you mean?
I personally like TLOK, but there are parts of it that I don't like at all. A bunch of them comes from the whole "we didn't know if we get a new season" thing like axing off interesting villains a bit too fast. I didn't care for the Raava and Vatu storyline because I was more interested in the civil war that was happening. It's still good. Nothing was pulled out of anyones ass. I even figured out the possibility of KorraSami way before the last scene. There's things that make it not as good as ATLA for me, but I have a hard time to understand the hate it got. It's absolutely fine. It's not as groundbreaking as ATLA but very few things are
As a side note. I also like Dragon Prince. The story and world is a lot more generic than Avatar, if you have read or played a lot of sword and sorcery style of stuff, but the characters are still written very well. They are likable and/or hateable in similiar ways that I really liked Aang or Sokka or Korra. Or how I hate the bad guys with a passion, but I understand where they come from. I'm ready to accept their possible change of heat if the writers go with the Zuko route but untill that I will just love to hate them
My issue with Korra is that something that was always more interesting to me than the main plot was around then dropped for the less interesting main plot.
Season 1: I loved the concept of benders being a problem with humans wanting to rise up to defend themselves.
Problem: There was too much of that bending sport that took away from what I wanted to see was how were benders being oppressive. What led to this division in Republic City. I actually liked Amon who would be my favorite villain of the series if not for him just being a water bender manipulating people in the end. I do wish Ty Lee's method of fighting and Chi blocking was how humans fought benders.. I like martial art fights more than technology battles. This isn't a comparison to last airbender but what I prefer in action scenes in general.
Season 2: Water tribe war another interesting concept that made me salivate. I knew the Northern Tribe rigid way of thinking would conflict with the southern tribe as a way for an avatar to deal with the water tribes being a central issue. Sadly it was the veil for the spirit plot which I again didnt really care for. There is a video essay on season 2 that explains my feelings on it already.
season 3: The easy button fix of adding air benders didnt jar well for me. It felt like a forced way to undo genocide while also being unrealistic at the same time. If I suddenly got to airbend then why would I want to change my life to fit their ways. People teaching me how to use my powers great but not if I suddenly have to live the monk life. Zaheer (I hope I spelled that right) being like the only person who didn't feel a mystic need to do the right thing here is off to me. I did love his plan of wanting to kill the avatar but his logic behind it was weak for me while at the same time the changes they made to the avatar in korra actually lends to him having valid points. I still disagree but there it was.
Season 4: I just hate mechs. I love Kovira (hope thats right) but still hate mechs so much if im not watching a mech series. Season four is probably the most solid season as im sure the writers knew it was the last one, knew what they wanted to do, and knew how to focus in on that.
Quick note on the reason it gets the hate it does: People grew up with the last airbender myself included from about 10 I think from episode 1 all the way to sozin's comet's premiere. The problem Korra does is that it starts to chip away at what made Avatar's world and story structure great to try out its own thing. It feels more like its chasing a different audience then catering to the cult audience it already had. Thats evident in the tone, characters, pacing, and structure (This is more NIcks fault so I don't fault the writers too much).
tl:dr While it may not deserve the hate it gets I won't say that its some masterpiece that a lot of the "better than you think" videos that are all over the place now want to tout. Simping for a series is just as bad as unbridled hatred.
@@BraveHeartedHero1 I agree with most of that. Except that I think the whole different style was them understanding that their original fans had grown up since ATLA, so the series should grow up too. Hence the aged up Avatar and more politics instead of just a big bad guy. I would have loved to see any of the bad guys more, but thanks to the studio not giving them similiar "this is how many seasons you get" freedom that ATLA did they kinda had to give them an ending just in case this was the last season. It could have been way better, but it's fine. I won't hype it up like I do whenever I'm talking about ATLA, but I don't see where the huge hate comes from
@@0Quiwi0 I don't think aging up the cast was really a bad idea. I think the issue was focusing on topics that the fans probably didn't care too much to see. Relationships and politics was probably the bad choices there. I know I didnt care for the political stuff at the same and my interest in the subject didnt start until I was much older. Now I know enough about politics that I dont find the way Korra did it to be interesting upon review.
Me: Reads title
Okay you convince me
PS
I don’t need convincing, I love LoK
Yet you Ava-tard hypocrites attack anyone, fan or not, for discussing the flaws of these sh*tshows.
Azula Eating Mochi exactly like??
Levi Ackerman what?
What ever happened to people simply liking or disliking a show without turning it into something super divisive?
The internet happened....Personally, I think it stems from toxic tumblr cultures reincarnating on other social media platforms. I say this as someone who used tumblr in its heyday and has experienced the rise of social media.
@@magicianmana4 People hate sequels ( not including Disney and Dreamworks properties, also by Disney I mean the properties it owns )
IKR. If I don't like a TV show/movie I simply move on with my life. I dont spend hours online ranting about it
@@kevinscott3047 ATLA fans really out there making 30- 2 hour videos hating on TLOK, and they never forget to include some dumb bs like "one of it's flaws was that Sokka wasn't in it"
@@kxc7580 I just realize the A:TLA fans are slowly turning into a even greedier & self-righteous version of Chin's Village.
We get so caught up in arguing over these two breathtaking and beautiful shows that we fail to see the true message behind them which is to treat others with kindness...sad
We definitely need more kindness in the world
I don't have time to watch this video right now, but THANK YOU FOR DEFENDING KORRA. I love the show and it has a depth to it people cannot seem to understand because they are too busy comparing it to ATLA. I always tell people that it's a show that needs to be seen in a light separate from ATLA. It's like comparing The Hobbit to LOTR: same universe, different story. But you don't see people hating Frodo because his story is different from Bilbo's.
Sure, Korra has flaws, but a lot of that can be attributed to Nickelodeon screwing them over. Overall, the show dabbles in darker themes and develops Korra in a way I've never seen before in female characters. They develop her AS A PERSON, with highs and lows and strengths and weaknesses.
They can " write female characters in a dark light " but korra is a piece of shit to people and people should compare it to ATLA because it's a sequel you idiot.
@@latanyagarlon4654 Clearly you need to be schooled in manners if your first response to someone's opinion is to call them an idiot. Also, perhaps you need to learn to read since you completely miscontrued what I said. But then again, it's close-minded, impudent people like you who are unable to see Korra for its true worth and resort to twisting the words of others.
People always hate sequels because they’re not the original show
Most sequels are cash grab, but I like The legend of Korra.
marcelo b bertoni sammeeee
I never hated a single sequel
@@craigpeoples9883 are you a Star Wars fan?
@@marcelo2169Nope
I always thought that the full moon just made waterbenders stronger, therefore they became strong enough to bloodbend. Therefore were there a strong enough natural waterbender then they should be able to bloodbend without it
Oooh that's actually a good point. Bloodbending was only possible during the full moon because it gave waterbenders the necessary power up. It's possible that Yakkon and his sons were just strong enough to not need it.
@@MattCMG I think that's a poor excuse to enable major acts of bloodbending. It's unfortunate that premise has to exist in order for the first season to work. I would have appreciated it more if Amon had trained so much that he was capable of small acts of bloodbending without the full moon, like what would be necesarry to permanently chi-block people, rather than being able to constrict people's bodies entirely during the day.
@@Yodalemos I mean, the full moon requirement for waterbenders to bloodbend wasn't very logical to begin with. Blood is water, it shouldn't even be hard for them to control other humans when they already can control other things with heavy amounts of water. The limitations obviously exist to not make waterbenders overly powerful but it shouldn't be hard to understand how powerful waterbenders could bloodbend without the full moon.
@@Yodalemos I'm 90% sure in the episode "The Southern Raiders" Katara bends blood without a full moon.
Edit: There's about a 66% chance that there IS a full moon when she blood bends in that episode. So that's not definitive evidence for or against bloodbending without it.
@@jonnemesis11 You clearly have no idea how muddied the water in your body actually is. The water in your blood is also in constant circulation at rapid speeds. Try again.
I LOVED the villains in LoK, the fact that they originally had good intentions is so realistic. they thought they were doing the right thing by going this far. They have specific character traits that blew up because they were put in power. that made them villains. it just made so much sense for the plot
Ikr! Unpopular opinion but I actually preferred these villains than ATLA. It was either the first one where its a somewhat relatable issue that we’ve seen in society, or insanely intense battles like in season 2
Dont get me wrong the fire lord vs aang was epic but once Aang got to avatar state it was just a one sided blood bath, Korra it was a bit more stress and struggle and I was on the edge of my seat
@@sarbear650you are literally me
Bad taste.
The intention was good, but the execution was trash, sorry.
They should've stick with one or two antagonists through the four books ,that way we have more space to develop them.
The way it was done (due to poor Nickelodeon decision making and lack of faith) it felt like fucking Power Rangers. A new villain appearing and now Korra was tortured forever and it felt like exploitation porn at some point. All for the "drama". Too dramatic, felt soapy and angsty.
You don't need to be SERIOUS to be more mature and deep. ATLA was deep even with the goofy jokes and characters.
Korra really struggled with the humor too, another disappointment. Bolin and the Howard Hughes lookalike were as funny as a cemetery. Jesus christ.
And then they ruin the avatar lore, state, her connetion... just to up the stakes? felt really cheap. Another argument I always hear is that the creators saw the avatar state as "too OP" and problematic narrative wise because every new avatar would mean we'd have to sit through the whole process, making it boring (allegedly) and also a deux ex machina problem (too OP, remember?) but I'd easily argue that this becomes a problem if your are not creative enough in the writing in how to present and develop the Avatar state, the connection with past lives and all that mystic jumbo. It's shortsighted, they thought too much on Korra's show current state and problems and forgot what made this world feel so rich and magical.
Fucking firebenders using lightbending to work in fucking factories... give me a break.
Also the Spirit World felt like pokemon.
I watched Lily and E;R’s videos before watching LOK and I agreed with them mindlessly. I then watched the show on Netflix and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was like wtf I thought this show was bad. Great video Matt.
Yeah I remember watching the first season of Korra and enjoying it but I never got to the other ones and people were always saying it was trash, but after a rewatch it's a really good show and equal to last airbender honestly
I freaking loved LoK
@@GeographyPal yes! the show is so good and its development!!!!!
Your first sentence explains why some people hate the show so much. I’m glad you ended up enjoying it!
I will never get you guys but if you think me to be a mindless idiot child who just comments and says this show is bad well whatever. Only robots can say facts
Some people say she never even lost during season one, had character convenience with whatever she dealt with and that Aang could have dealt with everything better than Korra. Yet she lost to Amon when she challenged him to a fight (which she learns from and actually remembers this when dealing with Kuvira) and his brother Tarrlok who bloodbent her into submission, and it was extremely convenient for Amon to inadvertently rescue her. Yet Amon had reasons later explained for not bloodbending her and for taking out Tarrlok in secrecy. Yet, Aang lost to archers in season one and had it not been for Yue, Zhao would have forever created disharmony, but that’s not convenient. Both situations were explained which makes both of them okay, so why the hate Korra?
she should have stayed defeated in season 1, its nick's fault for ordering a miniseries and then asking for more episodes mid-season, but yue was already marked out as distinct from the other water tribe. what people dislike with LOK's ending is how aang somehow physically manifests to just give her back her powers and she never truly learns from it, and that the equalists concerns are never brought up again even though they could have been addressed in the show - which is politically unrealistic as we see irl that simply discrediting a charismatic figurehead fails to truly end the movement. People enjoyed the fear that Amon brought until it was revealed he was just a broken af bloodbender, and then taking him out in the most cheap way possible. People hate S1 Bolin's character's inconsistency and the probending and love triangle plots that took up a third of the season.
hiro progatonist
Yes I agree, I would have loved for her to stay defeated during season one and gain energy bending through spiritually connecting with each of the elements while Amon furthers his plans leading to a great final battle.
I agree with TheGreatSummoner. Yue was a convenient plot device more than anything. How she just so happened to be cured by the moon and in the same time period when the moon was going to be destroyed.
Yes Aang coming back was strangely explained and I think the video address what she learned from losing her bending, if anything it humbled her and made her grateful for having the powers she possesses. And the equalization movement dies down after Amon’s and Hiroshi’s defeat since many people (like the lieutenant) were shocked and hurt by his reveal and that they lost their chance to revolt. Plus, they disbanded the council and make a non bender the leader of the city. The equality movement was not completely eradicated until the defeat of Hundun
I thought and all of my friends who watched the show with me thought that Amon being a bloodbender was terrifying. He was still intimidating and intelligent but now he felt unstoppable. Plus what else could he have been? He couldn’t have been a spirit since he had blood. If he was a non bender who used energybending then how was he able to resist Tarrlok’s bloodbending? Plus the episode where it is explained that he is the son of Yakone and brother of Tarrlok gave his character depth and opened the possibility of how he could be beaten. I am okay with Korra learning airbending since it makes some sense but the part where she was resisting his bloodbending was terrible since he just removed her of waterbending. And Katara said “My bending is more powerful than yours Hama your technique won’t work on me” implying that you have to know how to bloodbend and be stronger than the person bloodbending you to resist it, or be in the avatar state which Korra ignores all of these rules.
As for Bolin, I don’t see any inconsistencies during season 1 but definitely during the beginning of season 2 until he reverts towards the end of that season.
@Janken
Actually Aang could counter Amon with the Avatar State honestly the Avatar is kind of a counter to bloodbenders
@Janken
But Aang was connected to the state is my point hell and if we're talking end of the series Aang he had it mastered.
@Janken
Mastery of the Avatar State means being able to control it and yeah it is usually a last resort but also a defense mechanism which is how it counters blood bending
“We don’t want any bigots in the Avatar community” 🙌🙌🙌
lgbt ending was out of nowhere, call me bigot if you wish idc.
Virus from what I recall, he brings it up (maybe out of nowhere but I didn’t think so) because other people hated Korra for lgbt reasons. I don’t think he wanted his video defending the show to be completely addressing human rights because it’s not what the whole show is about. And many hate the show for non-lgbt reasons. So I think he kept it short cuz arguing with a bigot isn’t worth putting a lot of time into.
@@BluesJayPrince I don't hate TLOK but I am just addressing that it was irrelevant and one aspect of the show which can be criticized. I am aware that in many ways TLOK is a better show than ATLA but overall it falls behind due to being a sequel rather than a series of it's own. There were principles and laws of the first Avatar show which should've been followed in the next one in my opinion. Whenever I thought something epic is going to happen when Korra enters the Avatar state, she always leaves the Avatar state and gets defeated so fast by all her foes.
Virus I’m confused whether you are saying him bringing up people hating Korra for gay-hate reasons is irrelevant to his argument or that gay-positive aspects of the show is irrelevant to its reception as a good show or not.
Virus Virus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, dude. The video isn’t called “TLOK is better than ATLA”. It’s just trying to debunk some of the common criticisms that are poorly constructed (and I said SOME not ALL).
And I think your issue with anticlimactic avatar states was a purposeful way of showing she was not a fully-realized avatar in those moments. But if you’re going to hold TLOK to the same bar as ATLA, there were times Aang did nothing amazing in the avatar state (getting killed by lightning). Also the meaning of the avatar state was different for the shows. Aang’s demonstrates immense power to show his immense resolve and mercy when not using it to kill. Korra’s avatar state was often used to show her spiritual journey (abusing it at first but coming to understand its true nature).
As much as I find the entire 'critiques of responses to critiques of a critique' side of TH-cam kind of hilarious and redundant, even I enjoy Lily Orchard being called out on her bullshit. As for Korra, great show, one of my favourites :)
Can;t wait for Korra to come on Netflix!
it has cameth
Probably it will lead to more people watching it that aren't die hard atla fans and being like: oh it's a fun show, and the fandom being a bit less toxic
Asami is more like Sokka I think bc of how smart she is. She’s also one of the only characters that is constantly moral and right. Kinda like iroh
Iroh would have a nice talk with her over a nice cup of tea
Well, she's not always right. I mean, in season 2, she places complete trust in Verrick (Varick? I don't know how to spell his name), to the point she loses almost everything. But yeah, she's the brains of the group like Sokka was, I agree.
Speaking of Sokka, she’s also the only non-bender in the group
Zaheer wanted chaos to destroy the established order. He didn't want consistent chaos. He explains this in the season finale.
He wanted to destroy order to make chaos. That is exactly what he tries to do and wants to do. "The natural order is disorder". Disorder is chaos.
@@Spherrum Yes, he wants chaos to set the world right, not to live in chaos.
@@vetarlittorf1807 What do you think he sees as the world set right? No governments, no institutions of authority, no society, no one with any authority over anyone else. It's not even tribalistic times, he tries to make the world regress even further than it was during Wan's time.
@@Spherrum Nothing implies that is what he wants. He's not even against authority, just illegitimate hierarchies and illegitimate authority. What he wants is a world without national borders where stateless communities thrive. "Where man's only allegiance is to himself and those he loves" AKA stateless communities.
@@vetarlittorf1807 This statement - "Where man's only allegiance is to himself and those he loves" - makes it impossible to have any kind of comunity. Because being a part of comunity is being allied to that comunity and the comunity being allied to you. He wants the entire world to consist of people who only care about those who are close and dear, which is not a comunity. 99% of that means small families that don't interact with even other families, because they have no reason to interact. By the way, a community cannot exist without a leader or other figure (or figures) that provide order. Which is someone with authority.
And you are wrong about him wanting to eliminate ONLY illegitimate hierarchies. He wanted to assassinate president Railko just because he was a president. A legitimatelly and lawfully elected president.
- Do you still want to take out the president? (Ming Hua or P'li, can't remember)
- He'll have to wait (Zaheer)
I don't care what anyone said...Korra was a good show. I loved it..especially season 4 since they introduced Kuvira as the villian.
Still not better than ATLA.
I actually liked season 4 more then 3 to be honest. Korra in the beginning was actually one of my favorite version of korra frying to overcome her fears and such as well of being pretty weak.i like the big consequences it had compare to previous seasons.
Korra is a NORMAL show, not that bad but neither that good.
@@Flome810 still subjective
@@Flome810 it's better than atla for me so yes it is better than atla
I love how they're freaking out how it's like they supposedly were injecting "'Merica!" into the Last Airbender universe. Never mind that half the point of the aesthetic of Republic City was to reflect the interjection of Western culture into Chinese and Japanese cultures in the 1920's. Watch movies like Jet Li's Fearless or Fist of Legend. Fearless deals with the seemingly radical changes China was going through in comparison to it's traditional roots and Fist of Legend demonstrates the evolution of martial arts that happened when introducing western fighting techniques like boxing into traditional martial arts. It's really obvious that Korra took signification inspiration from Fists of Legend as well as similar movies when showing how Pro Benders were evolving the use of bending and developing new skills and techniques. Hell, just being a fan of martial arts films in general what they were going for was REALLY obvious to me.
The statue of liberty and central Park are very Asian yes💀💀💀
@@luminousxii Try reading next time. My entire point was interjecting western looking things into Republic City was a deliberate choice to reflect a certain point in history.
@@SapphWolf it being "the point" doesn't excuse the inherent problem with the choice.
@@luminousxii The inherent problem being they continued using kung fu movie references in their show, but you didn't get this one so it's bad?
That would probably make more sense if there was even a "west" in the Avatar world. Instead I'm left wondering where all this came from and why I'm hearing jazz trumpets and tanbos together.
I feel like most people who call legend of korra garbage and haven’t watched it. Yes legend of korra has it flaws but it’s still good and one of my favorite animated series I do like avatar the last Bender more but this doesn’t deserve as much hate as it gets.
Sometimes I think that TLOK haters have 0 iq or maybe a lack of braincells
I enjoyed my time with the show. I'm glad videos like this exist, I agree with a lot said in it so far
I'm legit SHOCKED people are calling her a mary sue, she's so flawed lol.
People call her a Mary sure cause they don't know what that is lmao
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 the way mary sue is used even looking up the definition is confusing. its so muddied that the people that run the website tv tropes refrained from having a definition to it, because the consensus is so murky.
It seems like a character is often called a mary sue if there is speculation that a character, usually a girl, is made to be this person that is too strong or perfect. because apparently dude characters are never political
Roge9 Videos I binged watched the avatar and Korra in 2 days
She's a pseduo Mary Sue in that she's handed everything on a silver platter despite barely achieving anything or growing from anything that happens in the show. She's not flawless, but her flaws and mistakes often bear little to no consequence. Doesn't get much more Mary Sue than her having her bending taken away - literally the one thing that defines her as the Avatar - but is then suddenly and miraculously able to Airbend despite still not understanding the element and lacking spirituality, and then she's immediately given her bending back, plus energy bending, plus a mastered Avatar State. What did she have to go through, achieve, or change about herself to actually earn any of this? Nothing, she just whined and cried and had everything taken care of for her by Aang. Only thing keeping her from being a pure Mary Sue is that she usually fucks up in someway before everything gets fixed for her by the next episode.
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 She still had little to no understanding of Airbending and the spiritual side of bending. Even though there's some sort of loophole with Amon blocking her bending - since neither the show nor the writers in interviews later adequately explain any of it - it still doesn't make any sense for her to suddenly be proficient in Airbending out of sheer desperation. Even she's surprised and doesn't understand how it's possible, she's just handed the ability to Airbend and throws some punches to win. She goes all her life being completely unable to Airbend, fails in every way with her training to Airbend, but then she can just do it anyway and it's exactly what she needs to win even though she was completely helpless and useless with the other three elements. No, I understand it all perfectly, it's just poorly written and doesn't make any real sense. She may not always act like a Mary Sue, but she sure always ends up reaping the benefits of being one in the end.
Fucking love this video. I laughed my ass off when you were reading the comments of people who could barely formulate a thought. I have to deal with them in almost every Korra clip I watch on YT. If this video came out back in 2015, the community wouldn’t be nearly as toxic as it is now.
Hatred is a mental illness. When I'm not enjoying stuff, I'm just say:"I don't like it".
So should you, save energy for something else.
Welcome to "how to make your life happier 101".
@SHEILA WANJIRU maybe but it’s the popular thought that Korra is a “horrible show”
Strawman arguments; funny that those were the ones chosen to be "debunked" and not any more complex arguments. But I guess that'd be too hard for your brain to do.
What I hate is the victimhood Korra stans take. It's like. Bro, we're allowed to criticise a show and leave you to love it, but no - the existance of opposing opinions appears to arouse feelings of invalidation in you. Grow up
I’ve always felt that Korra gets all this extra hate for no reason. While I love ATLA, in some respects I prefer Korra because it’s more grounded and a bit more mature. It’s a great series and I love both of them so I hope people will start to love Korra too, because the series is so deserving of the praise it should be getting.
The reason it gets hate isnt because it's bad. It's because it's a horrible successor to ATLA.
Korra had potential to be one of the best shows ever made and they flopped it. Now that doesn't make it a bad show, but it is extremely dissappointing because it could have been so much better.
ATLA is fucking miles ahead of it.
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 I never said it was deserved. But the fact that Korra failed is the reason it gets hate, whether it is deserved or not.
In no way is LOK more mature than Avatar.
@@azulaeatingmochime2353 Oh my days I think you hit your head
Princess Azula Genocide, government conspiracies, Zuko scarred and banished by his own father, prisoner labor camps. Tell me, in what way does LOK compare to this.
We respect Korra in this household
Unrelated to any of the points brought up in the show, but I could never hate a show in which the music slaps so hard. And let me tell you my man, Korra music slaps harder than Korra herself
Ikr. Especially the music at the end of S03, oh my god, my heart, and that single tear,😭😭😭😭😭
fucking truth man
@@henrywayne5724 no matter what faults the show may have, nobody will be able to take that moment from LOK. imo the show peaked there, and by god did it peak