Who Became CAPTAIN AMERICA While Steve Rogers was Frozen? || Comic Misconceptions || NerdSync
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We all know that Captain America was frozen during World War II and thawed out years later. The strange thing is that there were many appearances by Cap in the comics after the war had ended, but before he came back in Avengers #4. So how do you explain that? Who filled in for Steve Rogers as Captain America as he was frozen in ice? There are actually a few people. We're talking about William Naslund AKA the Spirit of '76, Jeff Mace AKA Patriot, and William Burnside AKA the Grand Director in this week's star-spangled Comic Misconceptions!
Every Wednesday, Comic Misconceptions explores the fun trivia, interesting ideas, and mind-blowing theories regarding comic books and the rich history and culture that surrounds them!
Hosted by Scott Niswander (@ScottNiswander)
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This is how you properly retcon something. You don't just say "It didn't happen," you keep to what happened and add more details so that everything makes sense.
Amen to that.
I love the replacement Cap's and would love their existences explored in the MCU.
Wait, so William Burnside just kidnapped a boy, called him Bucky, and then gave him drugs and told him to go with him on outrageous adventures under the names of dead people, and then slowly drove him insane? What the heck Marvel....
How else would they create tragic villains?
I mean, when you put it like THAT...
Now days, Burnside and Monroe would be classified as White Nationalists.
I think the weirdest thing about this is the stalker-level behaviour of changing your name and having plastic surgery to look like your idol.
Yehh....
Wow, never knew there was this much to the Captain American back story. They guy changing him appearance to look like Steve Rogers reminds be of the reverse flash!
AHeroAlmost That's what I was thinking.
Oh yeah didn't he do that in the 90's and try and kill Wally?
AHeroAlmost That's what I was thinking too! That guy's a douche.
Reverse Flash I mean..
Monroe: "Man I love being Bucky!" Winter Soldier: "NOPE!" *BAM*
Yeah that's Brubaker's Winter Soldier art, it's starts with Winter Soldier killing the two other Buckies Jack Monroe and Fred Davis. By that point readers weren't suppose to know who Winter Soldier was but it was kind of obvious just by that.
If falcon is captain america, then... CAPTAIN FALCON!!
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(X-Files Theme)
+Magneto's Beacon cap falcon vs. weapon x-files?
FAAAAAAAAAAWLCON PAAAAAAAAAAAWNCH
Daniel Mojica Captain Falcon fits well
Daniel Mojica eagle
“Planned to kill Kennedy and replace him with robots. You know comics stuff.” You Scott. You are awesome.
I love it when good writers insert great stories into those little gaps in comic lore. Just another instance where you see that anything can happen in comics!
Garrett Lohuis Definitely!
Yep. I usually set myself on fire when I can't deal with my past neo-nazi transgressions. Jeez, were comics ever for kids?
Binge Watchers Haha. They used to be. I still would like to have more all-ages comics around these days so my young nephews can read.
At least we have batman 66 and now Wonder Woman 77.
redleader antillies Very true.
And now captain America is an agent of Hydra. And people are upset now that he's a nazi. Guess they should read more comics before complaining!
NerdSync Don't forget Mark Waid's recent run on Captain America where he was frozen twice.
I was cosplaying Cap once, does I count?
Yes it does, thank you for protecting America.
AMERIKA!!!!!!!FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!
+raggarharry How many commies did you smashed?
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You should do a video about John Walker/US Agent/Super Patriot
slashandbones13 oh him
He was very unstable
"The Lost Generation" is one of my favorite Marvel miniseries.
Now that Marvel Time says that Cap slept not only through the Fifties but also the Sixties, Seventies, Eighties, Nineties and even the Oughties, I wonder whether there were other "Captains America", official or unofficial, during all those years?
I kind of hope there were, and that we might hear their stories some day.
6:39 - I love how that robot looks like a communist Hulk. "RRRAAAA! HULK SMASH CAPITALISM!"
5:08 Is that guy CRYING? That's so sweet. Nowadays, superheroes are so gritty and hard edged, you don't expect tears from them.
Yes! Thank you so much for this, Scott! Cap's my favorite character, and this is one of the most confusing parts of his past! Thank you!
Drew Perkins I hope it helped clear things up. Honestly, it was a bit confusing for me to dive into myself. Haha
Drew Perkins so spooky, i just wrote this exact comment myself and then saw what you wrote
Daniel Witten Word for word? Lol
Yes! I love how, in the comic universes, nothing is canon until it has been fucked about with and the general populous sort of decide how it all comes together. A few crap ideas will always float around but inconsistencies are almost always corrected down the line. Love it.
random guy walks up to you
"hey you! you know that guy you're reading about? i'll let you be like him if you let me inject you with some stuff"!!!
Can you do a video based on Hawkeye??
Love his mention in Black Widow during the arm wrestling scene!
Love This! Thank you so much for this!
Another great episode man, one of my favorite channels!!
Peter Ferguson Thank you so much!
It's 11:00 pm and I have a biology quiz tomorrow.
Screw that I'm watching NerdSync! !!!!
This was an Amazing video! Thanks, Scott!
Maestro Fer Thank you for watching!
This topic got a lot cooler as you went through it. Wasn't sure about as you started. Good job sir.
lol the Patriot is now in Marvel's Agents of Shield 👍😀
Unnecessary, but thoroughly interesting. I think they handled this in a really clever way.
Awesome vid. Cap is my fav hero glad to see u put this much research in these videos
Greg Jackson I haven't done a Cap video in forever! Plus this is something that I always wanted to know.
The William Burnside (?) Captain America sounds like a kind of outlet for writers to try out different things which they normally wouldn't, or perhaps couldn't. It's cool how, in the way you described it, he was used to explore themes like fanaticism, ideology and identity. The story where they go crazy and think everyone is a communist is pretty on the nose on what was on the writer's mind at the time!
Perhaps some of that is on the same vein as the Incredible Science Fiction #33 story "Judgement Day", considering how difficult it is to pull something like that with a mainstream superhero character. Haven't read those Captain America comics though, so maybe I'm stretching this a bit. Anyway, very good video, thanks!
You and Aris are like my favorite Comic Book TH-camrs keep up the good work 👌👍👏
Thanks Scott! I have been reading comics for 20 years and never knew it had so much rich history and back stories. It's reasons like this I hate to see the old Marvel Universe get destroyed.
Thanks for the video and you reply to people the best and most interactive youtuber ever thanks
I also have the lantern rings from the background.
Anthony Landaverde Awesome! I like having them around.
Yea, me too
Anthony Landaverde I have them too. I got them off of ebay for less than $1 each, if I recall correctly. It was a set of all 9.
***** yea, there's only 9 rings
Anthony Landaverde I know that. The "if I recall correctly" was in relation to what I paid, not what I got.
John Walter, Steve Rogers, US Agent, Super Patriot, Bucky, Sam Wilson, Captain Britain, HOW MANY PPL ARE LIKE CAPTAIN AMERICA OMG THE HELL 😂😂😂🤣🤣
AWESOME EPISODE SCOTT!!!!
This honestly clears it up and was more interesting to have these comics explain all that inconsistency, honestly it was always a thing I wondered but felt like there's not gonna be a real answer to it. And now, I got it. Thanks, Scott! :D
Emerald Havik That's what I'm here for!
The Captain sort of reminds of Batman. He is more then a hero, more of a needed symbol. So I can understand why so many people have been him. Good info.
As for the MCU, I'd say no. One of the good tihngs about it, is they try to keep it without retconing too much. They try to keep it simple, if they did ANYTHING. Maybe the Captain mesuem could have a say someone did take his role after he was frozen.
***** Yeah! I wonder if there is a hidden easter egg in the museum where one of the panels that we can't read talks about how someone took his place for a short while.
+NerdSync Headcanon? Probably headcanon.
+Lord Dongus I actually got a headcannon implanted and im planning on a supervillain career.
im still missing the most important ingredient though;
a good name
Are you looking for a weird silly name? Or a good name?
Captain reminds me more of The Phantom (or Black Panther but more predominently The Phantom) who was nicknamed: "The Ghost That Walks." because despite dying, he always seemed to come back. In reality it was because someone else keeps taking up the cowl thus creating the mythos.
I love these videos :P
The 'Other' History of Captain America.
that'd be a great way to describe your behind the scenes/weird retcon origins of these guys.
Awesome vid I wondered if there was only one captain America! thanks for clearing that up for me XD
your ahout out to ares quinones was awesome for me. i watch both of you guys. and that little call out put a smile on my face
I'd love these guys to show up as a Netflix fake Docudramma miniseries.
My favorite William Burnside story is What If? Vol. 1 #44, where he becomes a dictator as Captain America and Steve doesn't get revived until the 80s and kicks Burnside's ass with the help of the rebels led by Spider-Man.
WOW, that is a great summary.
Thanks
Thanks for that information, that was awesome to find out
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HAHAHAHAHA awesome Scott! Loved this episode!!!
good stuff bro definitely learned some stuff
thanks for the explaining all that👍
Great Bid. The ideas you have always interest me... and 301 club :D
Love your Awesome Room and it's Cool Hero Designs :]
That was great I did not have a clue about any of that history very informative.
awesome vid!
So much knowledge!!!
I totally have that comic book series about the patriot.I love getting to know Lesser characters especially ones associated with the 1950s and the Golden age.
Aww yeah, another nice Comic Misconceptions episode. I thought about this sometime ago and now I know the whole story, thank you for this!
***** Thanks for watching and commenting! Happy to hear that you liked it!
Thanks this was really interesting
Camjfr Wazup I'm glad you liked it!
thank you so much for this video!! i'm a big cap fan but whenever i heard about this stuff i was confused. You da man
Daniel Witten Sure thing!
Great review. I too hope we see at least the Burnside 50's Cap & Jack Monroe Bucky. A long with the 1950's Avengers from What If #9. Love to see them use the 3-D Man, Gorllla Man. the Human Robot, Marvel Boy & Venus. On the second season of Agent Carter.
How did I miss all this? I somehow had it in my head that all 1945-1964 Cap stories were retro in nature featuring Steve Rogers and took place prior to 1945. I feel so uninformed!
Awsome video, by the way
For as stressed as you been the quality of the videos has not gone down. Can't wait for the tie-in (:
I knew alot about cap,but. I didn't know the depths of the non canon still from when the series first ended great video
Scott once again you astound me with knowledge about a thing I had never really thought about. Thank you for enlightening me on this I always just thought it was Steve Rogers and afterwards they said he was frozen so it would make a little more sense in modern times.
I did not know they had that many take the name I only knew two of them. Never gave thought to who could be him until this. Thanks for the info
I really like the William Burnside story... cos its really just a great story about the rise and fall of a man who had an obsession.....i think it should make a comeback somehow..... cos it has a few impt lessons to impart...
i love your videos man
Dang this video gave me an insight of Captain America of how he was a symbol that everyone loved and adored. It's sad to know some people tried to take up the role but failed although the third Captain America at least got a good story. Marvel I applaud you!
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The Falcon and Winter Disney+ show Soldier should explore this story.
I would like to see the Burnside story...out of morbid curiosity of course.
Your funny guy haha. Good video👍
I discovered Scott from his most recent videos where he's accepted his inevitable baldness. So weird seeing him with hair.
Alright. I'm on board. The detail in these videos is amazing and it's clear that Scott really loves the subject.
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exactly the name you'd expect for a team featuring The Whizzer.
Sadly, Monroe ended up losing his mind. The serum was breaking down in his system and he started beating up innocent people thinking they were gang bangers and was going to kill an ice cream man believing he is a pusher.
That was cool fills In gaps of time lime , interesting lol
Very interesting backstory. Cool.
WOW that's DEEP...
More Captain Americas would have been cool to see. We still could. I'd like to see these guys pop up in the comics more.
Oh my!! I would've LOVED to see Peggy Carter's show explore that too! (now that I know of it, I mean)
***** As always, you've managed to create an awesome video that explains a confusing bit from a character's history and make it super clear.
I've known about Burnside for a while now, but I never knew about the other Captains that popped up during Steve's time on ice. I think it's great that Marvel went back and explained that inconsistency, but I think that it is a little bit more complicated than necessary to have three people during that time when one or two would work just as well.
As for whether or not I'd like to have one of these Caps in the MCU, I think Burnside would be interesting, maybe for a second season of Agent Carter or a Captain America movie. Even an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. subplot could be interesting.
I've never thought about it, for me the only 2 characters that had remplaced Steve were Bucky and Falcon, but boy oh boy I was wrong. Thank you for teaching us these kind of thing, great job !
Dario Malandra I was curious about it myself. Glad to hear you also found it interesting!
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Thanks buddy
A Winter Solider origins video would be interesting as well.
What I don't understand is why people say that continuity needs to go away. That it's not important. I don't feel that way because this, this history, that's fascinating. If continuity didn't matter none of this would be here and it would just be some bland story.
they want to ignore what happened in the past and say anything they want to is what really happened. Everybody thinks they're a better writer than Stan Lee.
Thats a great idea! for Peggy Carter Season 2!
I love this series
That Variantcomics shoutout tho :P
Fantastic video, Scott! :) Loved it!
Can you do a video on Wonder Woman now? I've wanted to be clear on a few things about her. Does WW get her powers from the gods or from the magic lasso and braclets enhancing her warrior training? I've also seen conflicting thoughts on how old WW really is? Tieing in to this video with Captain America, I've seen other sources that suggest Wonder Woman in the 40s was actually her mother Hippolyta. And then there was the Artemis and Donna Troy fill-ins.
Michael Fedor Show Yeah, Wonder Woman is a bit confusing. I've been trying to think of an episode for her. I have a few ideas, but nothing I'm sold on yet.
In the golden age it was Diana and it was still her in earth 2 pre crisis. Post crisis they changed it to Hippolyta having been the 40's JSA Wonder Woman.
your awesome scott
I like how Burnside seemed like some kind of social commentary on the McCarthy trials and the red scare
There's also when Steve Rogers died, William Burnside was brought back again under the control of Faustus, who was also working with The Red Skull. To play as a fake Captain America, when Bucky(The Winter Soldier), took on the mantle of Captain America.
1st - I agree that Agent Carter should have done something of the sort.
2nd - You mentioned Betsy Ross in this video, which intrigues me further on how often Marvel uses the name Ross... This there a correlation between Betsy Ross, Thaddeus Ross and Everett K. Ross?
3rd - Thank you for your show, I subscribed a few months ago, but I've binged watched the vast majority of your content.
4th - ( the name is pronounced Kebek Steve-o ) ;-)
As always this was a wonderful video. I think that using retcons in comics is part of the creativity and fun of comics. Lets face it that using retcons allows for all kinds of unique plot devices that make unique stuff happen as in the case of Captain America. Comics, I think, are about having fun and being creative and should not be taken too seriously. That being said, I also enjoy when writers strike a balance between the fantastic and logical aspects; neither element being too overarching to the other. In my opinion this is what was done in the Nolan Batman films. Many of the more fantastic elements of the character were gotten rid of and I thought Batman/Bruce Wayne was showed to be very human and knowledgeable about his limits especially in the last film the Dark Knight where he deals with the limits of his own body after being badly hurt.
Hey scott, can u please do a video about Loki. Thank you!
captain america patriot is a great mini. the art is beautiful.
i love that a what if story was so well liked they made it canon.
I have read Jeffrey mace:s captain America and he is near enough my favourite marvel character
Hi Scott! I was hoping you would do a video where you explained how did Captain America revived after he got shot, because I have this issue of Siege and the first page says that Captain America was recently resurrected, and I don´t have the comic where he died so I was like wtf?!, and then there is this image of Steve Rogers talking to a bunch of super heros including Captain America.. ? ..and all of this is really freaking me out, because in my country it´s kinda hard to find complete story arcs or specific comics ( like the death of Captain America ) and I wanna know about this stuff. Greetings from Bolivia :)
Great video. What about other post war Marvel heroes, like the 1950's Avengers? or what they call now the Agents of Atlas.
the story was supposed to take place on Earth-616 but they later made big changes like throwing out 3D Man because he was not a real 50s character.
I've read the whole Captain America Patriot story and I have to say that it's really good, worth reading
A replacement Cap would be a great idea for season 2 of Agent Carter. Captain America is legacy character for being a symbol, which is a great concept oppose to 1970s TV movie plot of Steve Rogers' dad being called "Captain America" as form of mocking then getting the super soldier serum. Also in the movie "Easy Rider", originality both main characters were to called "Captain America and Bucky", but Cap only remain.
Multiple Captain America's, good fun. Anything that essentially leads to a mirror match can't be all bad lol. As for him appearing in the MCU, Commie Smasher/replacement/imposter Cap seems obscenely unlikely to be directly transplanted from the comics(unless it was in Agent of Carter or something...in which case do that!), but I think there might be potential for an imposter as a subplot in a hypothetical phase 4 Captain America film- especially if a certain death occurs.